Williams backs out-of-contract Reckord to find a club this summer

Swindon Town's on-loan full-back Jamie Reckord

Swindon Town's on-loan full-back Jamie Reckord

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SWINDON Town assistant coach Luke Williams has said he would be “surprised” if Jamie Reckord failed to find a new club this summer, despite his limited opportunities during his loan stay at the County Ground.

The full-back is out of contract at parent side Wolves come the end of June and his 93-day stint in Wiltshire was designed to put him in the shop window ahead of the opening of the transfer window on July 1.

However, Reckord has struggled to make an impact with the Robins, making just three starts and two substitute appearances since arriving in SN1 at the end of January. Regardless, Williams feels from what he has seen from 22-year-old in training, that he will have no problem sorting out a move in the summer.

He told the Advertiser: “Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position.

“I don’t think Jamie performed as well as he can in the games and if you’ve got big competition someone will come in and takes your shirt and it can be very difficult to get it back.

“There’s no doubt he’s a very good player, for sure.

“All the players want to be involved, they want to play and the boys need to play football to earn a living as well. I’d be surprised if Jamie hasn’t got a football club to play for next season - whether it’s here or somewhere else. I’d be surprised because he’s a good footballer and a very good athlete.

“We’ve had the benefit of seeing him in training and in reserve games and he’s a gifted player. Physically he’s cut out for modern football, he’s a good pro but we’re very fortunate in that area that we’ve got players that have played and proven themselves in that position for us.

“A lot of players are in fitness and form at the moment and it’s been difficult for Jamie to get that shirt.”

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6:28am Wed 16 Apr 14

oo-r-ya? says...

Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.
Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know. oo-r-ya?
  • Score: 1

7:16am Wed 16 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

oo-r-ya? wrote:
Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.
I agree oo-r-ya, outrageous! I'm sat here at M36 fuming.
[quote][p][bold]oo-r-ya?[/bold] wrote: Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.[/p][/quote]I agree oo-r-ya, outrageous! I'm sat here at M36 fuming. mancrobin
  • Score: 10

7:20am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Jockster says...

oo-r-ya? wrote:
Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.
Absolutely right, if it's one thing that brasses me off its Adver hacks, and that idiot of a PA announcer referring to the County Ground as SN1, which is a post code area for about 25? square miles that constitutes Central Swindon.
Can you imagine the late great Clive King writing his post match report for The Pink and starting it ala "here at SN1 today....."
SAM!!! Please note and for goodness sake stop using journo shorthand to describe our home turf. Just think how stupid it would sound if a Town fan was asked "what's the name of your ground? and the reply was we play at SN1. Get it sorted Sam!
[quote][p][bold]oo-r-ya?[/bold] wrote: Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right, if it's one thing that brasses me off its Adver hacks, and that idiot of a PA announcer referring to the County Ground as SN1, which is a post code area for about 25? square miles that constitutes Central Swindon. Can you imagine the late great Clive King writing his post match report for The Pink and starting it ala "here at SN1 today....." SAM!!! Please note and for goodness sake stop using journo shorthand to describe our home turf. Just think how stupid it would sound if a Town fan was asked "what's the name of your ground? and the reply was we play at SN1. Get it sorted Sam! The Jockster
  • Score: 2

7:27am Wed 16 Apr 14

We are PANTS says...

The Jockster wrote:
oo-r-ya? wrote:
Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.
Absolutely right, if it's one thing that brasses me off its Adver hacks, and that idiot of a PA announcer referring to the County Ground as SN1, which is a post code area for about 25? square miles that constitutes Central Swindon.
Can you imagine the late great Clive King writing his post match report for The Pink and starting it ala "here at SN1 today....."
SAM!!! Please note and for goodness sake stop using journo shorthand to describe our home turf. Just think how stupid it would sound if a Town fan was asked "what's the name of your ground? and the reply was we play at SN1. Get it sorted Sam!
All about choice my friend!! What a boring world if we all thought the same!! For what it's worth I like the term SN1 ... Let the thumbs vote!!! :-)
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oo-r-ya?[/bold] wrote: Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right, if it's one thing that brasses me off its Adver hacks, and that idiot of a PA announcer referring to the County Ground as SN1, which is a post code area for about 25? square miles that constitutes Central Swindon. Can you imagine the late great Clive King writing his post match report for The Pink and starting it ala "here at SN1 today....." SAM!!! Please note and for goodness sake stop using journo shorthand to describe our home turf. Just think how stupid it would sound if a Town fan was asked "what's the name of your ground? and the reply was we play at SN1. Get it sorted Sam![/p][/quote]All about choice my friend!! What a boring world if we all thought the same!! For what it's worth I like the term SN1 ... Let the thumbs vote!!! :-) We are PANTS
  • Score: 1

7:27am Wed 16 Apr 14

umpcah says...

“Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position " WHY was he brought to SN1 - I mean the County Ground ?
“Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position " WHY was he brought to SN1 - I mean the County Ground ? umpcah
  • Score: 22

7:27am Wed 16 Apr 14

Chish and Fips says...

No news day today then, biggest discussion so far is discussing the use of SN1......... each to their own ... SN1 - CG - County Ground . all the same to me.
No news day today then, biggest discussion so far is discussing the use of SN1......... each to their own ... SN1 - CG - County Ground . all the same to me. Chish and Fips
  • Score: 2

7:31am Wed 16 Apr 14

ScottLeitch says...

This guy is a very poor signing, orient away i felt sorry for him... completely out of his depth
This guy is a very poor signing, orient away i felt sorry for him... completely out of his depth ScottLeitch
  • Score: 12

7:31am Wed 16 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

oo-r-ya? wrote:
Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.
Completely agree. It's pretentious nonsense. It started in London years ago, as a form of snobbery - "Oh, I live in SW19..." etc. Come on folks it's the County Ground - our home. The very mention of it stirs something inside. What does half a postcode stir? I appreciate journalists have to avoid too much repetition in their prose but there are better ways of doing it than resorting to this rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]oo-r-ya?[/bold] wrote: Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.[/p][/quote]Completely agree. It's pretentious nonsense. It started in London years ago, as a form of snobbery - "Oh, I live in SW19..." etc. Come on folks it's the County Ground - our home. The very mention of it stirs something inside. What does half a postcode stir? I appreciate journalists have to avoid too much repetition in their prose but there are better ways of doing it than resorting to this rubbish. Oi Den!
  • Score: 6

7:43am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Jockster says...

We are PANTS wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
oo-r-ya? wrote:
Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.
Absolutely right, if it's one thing that brasses me off its Adver hacks, and that idiot of a PA announcer referring to the County Ground as SN1, which is a post code area for about 25? square miles that constitutes Central Swindon.
Can you imagine the late great Clive King writing his post match report for The Pink and starting it ala "here at SN1 today....."
SAM!!! Please note and for goodness sake stop using journo shorthand to describe our home turf. Just think how stupid it would sound if a Town fan was asked "what's the name of your ground? and the reply was we play at SN1. Get it sorted Sam!
All about choice my friend!! What a boring world if we all thought the same!! For what it's worth I like the term SN1 ... Let the thumbs vote!!! :-)
Of course it's all about choice and nobody is saying otherwise. My choice is that to use half of a postcode to describe the home venue of STFC is ridiculous but yours isn't and you are perfectly entitled to that view.
Back to subject topic and IMO lets just say signing Reckord wasn't one of Cooperman's better decisions.
[quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oo-r-ya?[/bold] wrote: Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right, if it's one thing that brasses me off its Adver hacks, and that idiot of a PA announcer referring to the County Ground as SN1, which is a post code area for about 25? square miles that constitutes Central Swindon. Can you imagine the late great Clive King writing his post match report for The Pink and starting it ala "here at SN1 today....." SAM!!! Please note and for goodness sake stop using journo shorthand to describe our home turf. Just think how stupid it would sound if a Town fan was asked "what's the name of your ground? and the reply was we play at SN1. Get it sorted Sam![/p][/quote]All about choice my friend!! What a boring world if we all thought the same!! For what it's worth I like the term SN1 ... Let the thumbs vote!!! :-)[/p][/quote]Of course it's all about choice and nobody is saying otherwise. My choice is that to use half of a postcode to describe the home venue of STFC is ridiculous but yours isn't and you are perfectly entitled to that view. Back to subject topic and IMO lets just say signing Reckord wasn't one of Cooperman's better decisions. The Jockster
  • Score: 0

7:56am Wed 16 Apr 14

London Red says...

umpcah wrote:
“Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position " WHY was he brought to SN1 - I mean the County Ground ?
Because when he was signed Jay and A.Smith were carrying injuries leaving us with only Byrne at LB
.
He needed cover and competition and Reckford was designed to offer that - Orient is a prime example as Thompson was out Byrne went to RB and Reckford came in as our only LB
.
He also can play CB - again when he signed Stephens was not here and TAH was not fully fit so he provided that extra cover should it be needed
.
However - Stephens came in, Jay and Smith are fit again so Reckford fell away as not as good as our own players - had he had the impact Stephens has Im sure he would still be playing and lots would be calling sign him up
.
You win some you lose some
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: “Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position " WHY was he brought to SN1 - I mean the County Ground ?[/p][/quote]Because when he was signed Jay and A.Smith were carrying injuries leaving us with only Byrne at LB . He needed cover and competition and Reckford was designed to offer that - Orient is a prime example as Thompson was out Byrne went to RB and Reckford came in as our only LB . He also can play CB - again when he signed Stephens was not here and TAH was not fully fit so he provided that extra cover should it be needed . However - Stephens came in, Jay and Smith are fit again so Reckford fell away as not as good as our own players - had he had the impact Stephens has Im sure he would still be playing and lots would be calling sign him up . You win some you lose some London Red
  • Score: 10

8:00am Wed 16 Apr 14

Bassett Hound says...

The Jockster wrote:
oo-r-ya? wrote:
Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.
Absolutely right, if it's one thing that brasses me off its Adver hacks, and that idiot of a PA announcer referring to the County Ground as SN1, which is a post code area for about 25? square miles that constitutes Central Swindon.
Can you imagine the late great Clive King writing his post match report for The Pink and starting it ala "here at SN1 today....."
SAM!!! Please note and for goodness sake stop using journo shorthand to describe our home turf. Just think how stupid it would sound if a Town fan was asked "what's the name of your ground? and the reply was we play at SN1. Get it sorted Sam!
They don't make them like Clive King anymore Jockster !
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oo-r-ya?[/bold] wrote: Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right, if it's one thing that brasses me off its Adver hacks, and that idiot of a PA announcer referring to the County Ground as SN1, which is a post code area for about 25? square miles that constitutes Central Swindon. Can you imagine the late great Clive King writing his post match report for The Pink and starting it ala "here at SN1 today....." SAM!!! Please note and for goodness sake stop using journo shorthand to describe our home turf. Just think how stupid it would sound if a Town fan was asked "what's the name of your ground? and the reply was we play at SN1. Get it sorted Sam![/p][/quote]They don't make them like Clive King anymore Jockster ! Bassett Hound
  • Score: 5

8:32am Wed 16 Apr 14

old town robin says...

London Red wrote:
umpcah wrote:
“Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position " WHY was he brought to SN1 - I mean the County Ground ?
Because when he was signed Jay and A.Smith were carrying injuries leaving us with only Byrne at LB
.
He needed cover and competition and Reckford was designed to offer that - Orient is a prime example as Thompson was out Byrne went to RB and Reckford came in as our only LB
.
He also can play CB - again when he signed Stephens was not here and TAH was not fully fit so he provided that extra cover should it be needed
.
However - Stephens came in, Jay and Smith are fit again so Reckford fell away as not as good as our own players - had he had the impact Stephens has Im sure he would still be playing and lots would be calling sign him up
.
You win some you lose some
I think Reckord could be considered as a genuine emergency loan as we brought him in when we were short on numbers due to injuries. That's one of the benefits of having loan players, you can fill a slot with no long term commitment and get the chance to take a look what's on offer and if he shows promise may get the option to buy or if he's no better than what you've got, then you can hand him back to the parent club.

It was mentioned yesterday by Den he does not agree with having loan players and developing them for the bigger clubs. fair comment, but the game today has moved on to that when us old 'uns were playing and watching in the sixties with no loans or subs to call on. I think TV money and the Bosman rule has a lot to do with the fact the top clubs are awash with most of the dosh whilst the teams like us have to scrimp by to stay afloat and can't afford to buy or offer 3 year contract out unless a player is very special and if that means we have to bring in promising young players to help us out on a short term lease then everyone is a winner. The player gains experience or the chance to get match fit (Chris Martin being a good example), the parent club gets that benefit plus a surplus player off the payroll for a while and the club loaning a player may get quality that they normally would not have been able to afford. In Reckords case I think it was a decent call in a time of need, the couple of times I saw him he showed good ball control, but his positioning as a full back was not great, but then that could also be said for our own player Nathan or even young Kennedy who we let go and was possibly better than Reckord.

Win some, lose some I wish him luck in finding a new club, which I'm sure he will, but not sure if it will be at this level though
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: “Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position " WHY was he brought to SN1 - I mean the County Ground ?[/p][/quote]Because when he was signed Jay and A.Smith were carrying injuries leaving us with only Byrne at LB . He needed cover and competition and Reckford was designed to offer that - Orient is a prime example as Thompson was out Byrne went to RB and Reckford came in as our only LB . He also can play CB - again when he signed Stephens was not here and TAH was not fully fit so he provided that extra cover should it be needed . However - Stephens came in, Jay and Smith are fit again so Reckford fell away as not as good as our own players - had he had the impact Stephens has Im sure he would still be playing and lots would be calling sign him up . You win some you lose some[/p][/quote]I think Reckord could be considered as a genuine emergency loan as we brought him in when we were short on numbers due to injuries. That's one of the benefits of having loan players, you can fill a slot with no long term commitment and get the chance to take a look what's on offer and if he shows promise may get the option to buy or if he's no better than what you've got, then you can hand him back to the parent club. It was mentioned yesterday by Den he does not agree with having loan players and developing them for the bigger clubs. fair comment, but the game today has moved on to that when us old 'uns were playing and watching in the sixties with no loans or subs to call on. I think TV money and the Bosman rule has a lot to do with the fact the top clubs are awash with most of the dosh whilst the teams like us have to scrimp by to stay afloat and can't afford to buy or offer 3 year contract out unless a player is very special and if that means we have to bring in promising young players to help us out on a short term lease then everyone is a winner. The player gains experience or the chance to get match fit (Chris Martin being a good example), the parent club gets that benefit plus a surplus player off the payroll for a while and the club loaning a player may get quality that they normally would not have been able to afford. In Reckords case I think it was a decent call in a time of need, the couple of times I saw him he showed good ball control, but his positioning as a full back was not great, but then that could also be said for our own player Nathan or even young Kennedy who we let go and was possibly better than Reckord. Win some, lose some I wish him luck in finding a new club, which I'm sure he will, but not sure if it will be at this level though old town robin
  • Score: 2

8:58am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Jockster says...

Bassett- nope they don't - Dave Eaton is/was another in the CK mode but he last time I spoke to him he'd almost retired and that was a while ago - hope he's still around another good guy with loads of STFC related knowledge.
Bassett- nope they don't - Dave Eaton is/was another in the CK mode but he last time I spoke to him he'd almost retired and that was a while ago - hope he's still around another good guy with loads of STFC related knowledge. The Jockster
  • Score: 1

9:24am Wed 16 Apr 14

Bassett Hound says...

The Jockster wrote:
Bassett- nope they don't - Dave Eaton is/was another in the CK mode but he last time I spoke to him he'd almost retired and that was a while ago - hope he's still around another good guy with loads of STFC related knowledge.
Along with Dave King the photographer they made a great team.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Bassett- nope they don't - Dave Eaton is/was another in the CK mode but he last time I spoke to him he'd almost retired and that was a while ago - hope he's still around another good guy with loads of STFC related knowledge.[/p][/quote]Along with Dave King the photographer they made a great team. Bassett Hound
  • Score: 3

9:47am Wed 16 Apr 14

Cleuso says...

Not seen Reckford enough to judge him properly, - one poor game doesn't mean he is poor so wish him luck where ever he ends up as I think it is unlikely to be at Swindon.
Not seen Reckford enough to judge him properly, - one poor game doesn't mean he is poor so wish him luck where ever he ends up as I think it is unlikely to be at Swindon. Cleuso
  • Score: 0

9:54am Wed 16 Apr 14

sheriffred says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
oo-r-ya? wrote:
Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.
Absolutely right, if it's one thing that brasses me off its Adver hacks, and that idiot of a PA announcer referring to the County Ground as SN1, which is a post code area for about 25? square miles that constitutes Central Swindon.
Can you imagine the late great Clive King writing his post match report for The Pink and starting it ala "here at SN1 today....."
SAM!!! Please note and for goodness sake stop using journo shorthand to describe our home turf. Just think how stupid it would sound if a Town fan was asked "what's the name of your ground? and the reply was we play at SN1. Get it sorted Sam!
They don't make them like Clive King anymore Jockster !
Plus there's the peril of Sam doing a typo and turning us into Sutton United!!! Yoooooooou yellows
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oo-r-ya?[/bold] wrote: Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right, if it's one thing that brasses me off its Adver hacks, and that idiot of a PA announcer referring to the County Ground as SN1, which is a post code area for about 25? square miles that constitutes Central Swindon. Can you imagine the late great Clive King writing his post match report for The Pink and starting it ala "here at SN1 today....." SAM!!! Please note and for goodness sake stop using journo shorthand to describe our home turf. Just think how stupid it would sound if a Town fan was asked "what's the name of your ground? and the reply was we play at SN1. Get it sorted Sam![/p][/quote]They don't make them like Clive King anymore Jockster ![/p][/quote]Plus there's the peril of Sam doing a typo and turning us into Sutton United!!! Yoooooooou yellows sheriffred
  • Score: 1

10:04am Wed 16 Apr 14

Swindonian63 says...

I seem to remember that Dave Evans was the photographer in the Clive King era...he took superb photos for the Adver, the best I remember was a half page of Don scoring our first goal at West Ham in 1967. Similarly his photos of the League Cup win in '69 are memorable.

For me it's always been the County Ground and always will be.
I seem to remember that Dave Evans was the photographer in the Clive King era...he took superb photos for the Adver, the best I remember was a half page of Don scoring our first goal at West Ham in 1967. Similarly his photos of the League Cup win in '69 are memorable. For me it's always been the County Ground and always will be. Swindonian63
  • Score: 2

10:10am Wed 16 Apr 14

the don69 says...

We play at the COUNTY GROUND Sam! not sn1. no one says we are going to HA9 (that's Wembley if anyone knows or even cares????)
We play at the COUNTY GROUND Sam! not sn1. no one says we are going to HA9 (that's Wembley if anyone knows or even cares????) the don69
  • Score: 8

10:16am Wed 16 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

old town robin wrote:
London Red wrote:
umpcah wrote:
“Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position " WHY was he brought to SN1 - I mean the County Ground ?
Because when he was signed Jay and A.Smith were carrying injuries leaving us with only Byrne at LB
.
He needed cover and competition and Reckford was designed to offer that - Orient is a prime example as Thompson was out Byrne went to RB and Reckford came in as our only LB
.
He also can play CB - again when he signed Stephens was not here and TAH was not fully fit so he provided that extra cover should it be needed
.
However - Stephens came in, Jay and Smith are fit again so Reckford fell away as not as good as our own players - had he had the impact Stephens has Im sure he would still be playing and lots would be calling sign him up
.
You win some you lose some
I think Reckord could be considered as a genuine emergency loan as we brought him in when we were short on numbers due to injuries. That's one of the benefits of having loan players, you can fill a slot with no long term commitment and get the chance to take a look what's on offer and if he shows promise may get the option to buy or if he's no better than what you've got, then you can hand him back to the parent club.

It was mentioned yesterday by Den he does not agree with having loan players and developing them for the bigger clubs. fair comment, but the game today has moved on to that when us old 'uns were playing and watching in the sixties with no loans or subs to call on. I think TV money and the Bosman rule has a lot to do with the fact the top clubs are awash with most of the dosh whilst the teams like us have to scrimp by to stay afloat and can't afford to buy or offer 3 year contract out unless a player is very special and if that means we have to bring in promising young players to help us out on a short term lease then everyone is a winner. The player gains experience or the chance to get match fit (Chris Martin being a good example), the parent club gets that benefit plus a surplus player off the payroll for a while and the club loaning a player may get quality that they normally would not have been able to afford. In Reckords case I think it was a decent call in a time of need, the couple of times I saw him he showed good ball control, but his positioning as a full back was not great, but then that could also be said for our own player Nathan or even young Kennedy who we let go and was possibly better than Reckord.

Win some, lose some I wish him luck in finding a new club, which I'm sure he will, but not sure if it will be at this level though
OTR, I don't want to be misunderstood on this. I'm not against the principle of loans. It's the heavy reliance on them that I think is wrong - and if it really is an economic necessity for clubs at our level, then the game has lost its way. If you field too many players with only a short-term future at the club, you run the risk of the team playing with a lack of desire and identity. I'm convinced this is what was happening earlier in the season. In recent weeks we've got our identity back. Louis Thompson exemplifies that. Unfortunately he struggled to get a look in when all the "stars" were available.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: “Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position " WHY was he brought to SN1 - I mean the County Ground ?[/p][/quote]Because when he was signed Jay and A.Smith were carrying injuries leaving us with only Byrne at LB . He needed cover and competition and Reckford was designed to offer that - Orient is a prime example as Thompson was out Byrne went to RB and Reckford came in as our only LB . He also can play CB - again when he signed Stephens was not here and TAH was not fully fit so he provided that extra cover should it be needed . However - Stephens came in, Jay and Smith are fit again so Reckford fell away as not as good as our own players - had he had the impact Stephens has Im sure he would still be playing and lots would be calling sign him up . You win some you lose some[/p][/quote]I think Reckord could be considered as a genuine emergency loan as we brought him in when we were short on numbers due to injuries. That's one of the benefits of having loan players, you can fill a slot with no long term commitment and get the chance to take a look what's on offer and if he shows promise may get the option to buy or if he's no better than what you've got, then you can hand him back to the parent club. It was mentioned yesterday by Den he does not agree with having loan players and developing them for the bigger clubs. fair comment, but the game today has moved on to that when us old 'uns were playing and watching in the sixties with no loans or subs to call on. I think TV money and the Bosman rule has a lot to do with the fact the top clubs are awash with most of the dosh whilst the teams like us have to scrimp by to stay afloat and can't afford to buy or offer 3 year contract out unless a player is very special and if that means we have to bring in promising young players to help us out on a short term lease then everyone is a winner. The player gains experience or the chance to get match fit (Chris Martin being a good example), the parent club gets that benefit plus a surplus player off the payroll for a while and the club loaning a player may get quality that they normally would not have been able to afford. In Reckords case I think it was a decent call in a time of need, the couple of times I saw him he showed good ball control, but his positioning as a full back was not great, but then that could also be said for our own player Nathan or even young Kennedy who we let go and was possibly better than Reckord. Win some, lose some I wish him luck in finding a new club, which I'm sure he will, but not sure if it will be at this level though[/p][/quote]OTR, I don't want to be misunderstood on this. I'm not against the principle of loans. It's the heavy reliance on them that I think is wrong - and if it really is an economic necessity for clubs at our level, then the game has lost its way. If you field too many players with only a short-term future at the club, you run the risk of the team playing with a lack of desire and identity. I'm convinced this is what was happening earlier in the season. In recent weeks we've got our identity back. Louis Thompson exemplifies that. Unfortunately he struggled to get a look in when all the "stars" were available. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

10:27am Wed 16 Apr 14

umpcah says...

London Red wrote:
umpcah wrote:
“Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position " WHY was he brought to SN1 - I mean the County Ground ?
Because when he was signed Jay and A.Smith were carrying injuries leaving us with only Byrne at LB
.
He needed cover and competition and Reckford was designed to offer that - Orient is a prime example as Thompson was out Byrne went to RB and Reckford came in as our only LB
.
He also can play CB - again when he signed Stephens was not here and TAH was not fully fit so he provided that extra cover should it be needed
.
However - Stephens came in, Jay and Smith are fit again so Reckford fell away as not as good as our own players - had he had the impact Stephens has Im sure he would still be playing and lots would be calling sign him up
.
You win some you lose some
Thanks for enlightening me ! All the more recent excitement at THE COUNTY GROUND had clouded my memory !
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: “Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position " WHY was he brought to SN1 - I mean the County Ground ?[/p][/quote]Because when he was signed Jay and A.Smith were carrying injuries leaving us with only Byrne at LB . He needed cover and competition and Reckford was designed to offer that - Orient is a prime example as Thompson was out Byrne went to RB and Reckford came in as our only LB . He also can play CB - again when he signed Stephens was not here and TAH was not fully fit so he provided that extra cover should it be needed . However - Stephens came in, Jay and Smith are fit again so Reckford fell away as not as good as our own players - had he had the impact Stephens has Im sure he would still be playing and lots would be calling sign him up . You win some you lose some[/p][/quote]Thanks for enlightening me ! All the more recent excitement at THE COUNTY GROUND had clouded my memory ! umpcah
  • Score: -2

10:27am Wed 16 Apr 14

lifelong red says...

Not seen enough of Reckord to form an honest opinion , but what I did see was not overly impressed . County ground please Sam not S.N.1.
Not seen enough of Reckord to form an honest opinion , but what I did see was not overly impressed . County ground please Sam not S.N.1. lifelong red
  • Score: 0

11:41am Wed 16 Apr 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
old town robin wrote:
London Red wrote:
umpcah wrote: “Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position " WHY was he brought to SN1 - I mean the County Ground ?
Because when he was signed Jay and A.Smith were carrying injuries leaving us with only Byrne at LB . He needed cover and competition and Reckford was designed to offer that - Orient is a prime example as Thompson was out Byrne went to RB and Reckford came in as our only LB . He also can play CB - again when he signed Stephens was not here and TAH was not fully fit so he provided that extra cover should it be needed . However - Stephens came in, Jay and Smith are fit again so Reckford fell away as not as good as our own players - had he had the impact Stephens has Im sure he would still be playing and lots would be calling sign him up . You win some you lose some
I think Reckord could be considered as a genuine emergency loan as we brought him in when we were short on numbers due to injuries. That's one of the benefits of having loan players, you can fill a slot with no long term commitment and get the chance to take a look what's on offer and if he shows promise may get the option to buy or if he's no better than what you've got, then you can hand him back to the parent club. It was mentioned yesterday by Den he does not agree with having loan players and developing them for the bigger clubs. fair comment, but the game today has moved on to that when us old 'uns were playing and watching in the sixties with no loans or subs to call on. I think TV money and the Bosman rule has a lot to do with the fact the top clubs are awash with most of the dosh whilst the teams like us have to scrimp by to stay afloat and can't afford to buy or offer 3 year contract out unless a player is very special and if that means we have to bring in promising young players to help us out on a short term lease then everyone is a winner. The player gains experience or the chance to get match fit (Chris Martin being a good example), the parent club gets that benefit plus a surplus player off the payroll for a while and the club loaning a player may get quality that they normally would not have been able to afford. In Reckords case I think it was a decent call in a time of need, the couple of times I saw him he showed good ball control, but his positioning as a full back was not great, but then that could also be said for our own player Nathan or even young Kennedy who we let go and was possibly better than Reckord. Win some, lose some I wish him luck in finding a new club, which I'm sure he will, but not sure if it will be at this level though
OTR, I don't want to be misunderstood on this. I'm not against the principle of loans. It's the heavy reliance on them that I think is wrong - and if it really is an economic necessity for clubs at our level, then the game has lost its way. If you field too many players with only a short-term future at the club, you run the risk of the team playing with a lack of desire and identity. I'm convinced this is what was happening earlier in the season. In recent weeks we've got our identity back. Louis Thompson exemplifies that. Unfortunately he struggled to get a look in when all the "stars" were available.
That's bull!
.
Louis Thompson didn't feature at the start as he was an 18 year old who had only just stepped up from being a youth in the summer - not because he was being restricted by loanees
.
A prime example is Nathan - his brother and new team captain - he had to wait over 3 years to get his real chance and that was nothing to do with loanees - it was as it was felt he was not ready to become a regular starter
.
Louis - has proven a lot of people - me inlcuded - wrong by showing he is in fact ready this year by taking his chance when given - thus he has over 30 appearances to his name - when he himself set a target of 10-15!
.
Storey is also in that boat and unlike Louis - he didn't take his chance at the start ofd the season and therefore fell down the pecking order
.
Granted his injury didn't help - but had he performed to the standard Louis is - we might not have gone and signed Ajose - as Storey was playing in that role and the need of signing Ajose would have been reduced if he had been delivering
.
Also at the start of the campaign we were playing excellent football and were surprising a lot of people - so how were we struggling with our identity?
.
That was the period where we stunned QPR, hammered Crewe, performed excellently away to Wolves, showed character and fight against Bristol and were certainly not shamed by Chelsea!
.
Our struggles came around mid season - and by that time Mason and Hall were not featuring and Ajose had returned to Posh - it was actually "our" players who were not coping!
.
During our real poor run - only Pritchard was a regular and not a registered STFC player!
.
Cooper is aiming for 20 STFC players to be topped up with Loanees
.
I don't see that as over reliance as 80% of the sqaud will be STFC players
.
Also by having the economic benefit of getting quality players,like Stephens, Pritchard and Ajose in for a fraction of their true cost - means we can afford to pay other players more - thus increasing the quality of the STFC players
.
i.e. that model could be thew reason for the extension to Wes and the Thompson's contract we saw last year and could be the difference between retaining and losing TAH!
.
The ideal is as descrivbed recently by Man City who are aiming to have 6 of their team "City Boys" - this doesn't have to be youth products but players who have been here a while and love the club - they used Hart as an example
.
Then the others would be Marquee signings, other newer signings, loanees or youths coming up who would look to that core as guidance as how it is to be "City Boys" - both on and off the field
.
They then said that core will obviously develop so as some leave other take up that mantle
.
So for us that would be Wes, Jay, Ward and the Thompson's this year and as we go forward TAH, Luongo, Byrne and Kasim might take over as some the likes of Ward and Jay drop out
.
I think that sound great and similar to PdC and his Super 7 - you want a core of STFC players the team and squad are built around - with the others changing depending on game or availability
.
Now if those other 4 are mainly loanees or other squad players that doesn't bother me - as long as they push us forward
.
We might get 2 loanees in there and they could be the difference between goingup or not - if we went up would that short term reliance on them have affected the club's development? Or aided it as now being Champiuonship opens up new horizons to get more STFC players in of a better quality to form the core!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: “Jamie is a very good player but we’ve got a lot of players that play in a similar position that are also very talented. We’re quite blessed, I think, in that wide full-back or wing-back area, so competition is very high in that position " WHY was he brought to SN1 - I mean the County Ground ?[/p][/quote]Because when he was signed Jay and A.Smith were carrying injuries leaving us with only Byrne at LB . He needed cover and competition and Reckford was designed to offer that - Orient is a prime example as Thompson was out Byrne went to RB and Reckford came in as our only LB . He also can play CB - again when he signed Stephens was not here and TAH was not fully fit so he provided that extra cover should it be needed . However - Stephens came in, Jay and Smith are fit again so Reckford fell away as not as good as our own players - had he had the impact Stephens has Im sure he would still be playing and lots would be calling sign him up . You win some you lose some[/p][/quote]I think Reckord could be considered as a genuine emergency loan as we brought him in when we were short on numbers due to injuries. That's one of the benefits of having loan players, you can fill a slot with no long term commitment and get the chance to take a look what's on offer and if he shows promise may get the option to buy or if he's no better than what you've got, then you can hand him back to the parent club. It was mentioned yesterday by Den he does not agree with having loan players and developing them for the bigger clubs. fair comment, but the game today has moved on to that when us old 'uns were playing and watching in the sixties with no loans or subs to call on. I think TV money and the Bosman rule has a lot to do with the fact the top clubs are awash with most of the dosh whilst the teams like us have to scrimp by to stay afloat and can't afford to buy or offer 3 year contract out unless a player is very special and if that means we have to bring in promising young players to help us out on a short term lease then everyone is a winner. The player gains experience or the chance to get match fit (Chris Martin being a good example), the parent club gets that benefit plus a surplus player off the payroll for a while and the club loaning a player may get quality that they normally would not have been able to afford. In Reckords case I think it was a decent call in a time of need, the couple of times I saw him he showed good ball control, but his positioning as a full back was not great, but then that could also be said for our own player Nathan or even young Kennedy who we let go and was possibly better than Reckord. Win some, lose some I wish him luck in finding a new club, which I'm sure he will, but not sure if it will be at this level though[/p][/quote]OTR, I don't want to be misunderstood on this. I'm not against the principle of loans. It's the heavy reliance on them that I think is wrong - and if it really is an economic necessity for clubs at our level, then the game has lost its way. If you field too many players with only a short-term future at the club, you run the risk of the team playing with a lack of desire and identity. I'm convinced this is what was happening earlier in the season. In recent weeks we've got our identity back. Louis Thompson exemplifies that. Unfortunately he struggled to get a look in when all the "stars" were available.[/p][/quote]That's bull! . Louis Thompson didn't feature at the start as he was an 18 year old who had only just stepped up from being a youth in the summer - not because he was being restricted by loanees . A prime example is Nathan - his brother and new team captain - he had to wait over 3 years to get his real chance and that was nothing to do with loanees - it was as it was felt he was not ready to become a regular starter . Louis - has proven a lot of people - me inlcuded - wrong by showing he is in fact ready this year by taking his chance when given - thus he has over 30 appearances to his name - when he himself set a target of 10-15! . Storey is also in that boat and unlike Louis - he didn't take his chance at the start ofd the season and therefore fell down the pecking order . Granted his injury didn't help - but had he performed to the standard Louis is - we might not have gone and signed Ajose - as Storey was playing in that role and the need of signing Ajose would have been reduced if he had been delivering . Also at the start of the campaign we were playing excellent football and were surprising a lot of people - so how were we struggling with our identity? . That was the period where we stunned QPR, hammered Crewe, performed excellently away to Wolves, showed character and fight against Bristol and were certainly not shamed by Chelsea! . Our struggles came around mid season - and by that time Mason and Hall were not featuring and Ajose had returned to Posh - it was actually "our" players who were not coping! . During our real poor run - only Pritchard was a regular and not a registered STFC player! . Cooper is aiming for 20 STFC players to be topped up with Loanees . I don't see that as over reliance as 80% of the sqaud will be STFC players . Also by having the economic benefit of getting quality players,like Stephens, Pritchard and Ajose in for a fraction of their true cost - means we can afford to pay other players more - thus increasing the quality of the STFC players . i.e. that model could be thew reason for the extension to Wes and the Thompson's contract we saw last year and could be the difference between retaining and losing TAH! . The ideal is as descrivbed recently by Man City who are aiming to have 6 of their team "City Boys" - this doesn't have to be youth products but players who have been here a while and love the club - they used Hart as an example . Then the others would be Marquee signings, other newer signings, loanees or youths coming up who would look to that core as guidance as how it is to be "City Boys" - both on and off the field . They then said that core will obviously develop so as some leave other take up that mantle . So for us that would be Wes, Jay, Ward and the Thompson's this year and as we go forward TAH, Luongo, Byrne and Kasim might take over as some the likes of Ward and Jay drop out . I think that sound great and similar to PdC and his Super 7 - you want a core of STFC players the team and squad are built around - with the others changing depending on game or availability . Now if those other 4 are mainly loanees or other squad players that doesn't bother me - as long as they push us forward . We might get 2 loanees in there and they could be the difference between goingup or not - if we went up would that short term reliance on them have affected the club's development? Or aided it as now being Champiuonship opens up new horizons to get more STFC players in of a better quality to form the core! London Red
  • Score: 1

11:56am Wed 16 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, you have your view and I have mine. For me, football is all about what you feel in your guts - and I have had a much better feeling in mine in the last few weeks than I did earlier in the season. It's not just about results; it's about team spirit, a feeling that the players are all working for each other at last. You can call it bull if you like. I'm sure neither of us is going to convince the other.
LR, you have your view and I have mine. For me, football is all about what you feel in your guts - and I have had a much better feeling in mine in the last few weeks than I did earlier in the season. It's not just about results; it's about team spirit, a feeling that the players are all working for each other at last. You can call it bull if you like. I'm sure neither of us is going to convince the other. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

12:17pm Wed 16 Apr 14

the don69 says...

Don't forget Sam! we're playing at NN5 and not CV6 ON Friday! don't want you to get your post-codes in a pickle lol!!!!!!!!
Don't forget Sam! we're playing at NN5 and not CV6 ON Friday! don't want you to get your post-codes in a pickle lol!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 10

12:20pm Wed 16 Apr 14

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, you have your view and I have mine. For me, football is all about what you feel in your guts - and I have had a much better feeling in mine in the last few weeks than I did earlier in the season. It's not just about results; it's about team spirit, a feeling that the players are all working for each other at last. You can call it bull if you like. I'm sure neither of us is going to convince the other.
Maybe you had a dodgy prawn sandwich or County Ground Burger Den???????
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, you have your view and I have mine. For me, football is all about what you feel in your guts - and I have had a much better feeling in mine in the last few weeks than I did earlier in the season. It's not just about results; it's about team spirit, a feeling that the players are all working for each other at last. You can call it bull if you like. I'm sure neither of us is going to convince the other.[/p][/quote]Maybe you had a dodgy prawn sandwich or County Ground Burger Den??????? the don69
  • Score: 4

1:04pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Haha! Nice one Don. I think there must have been a bad batch of them that lasted several weeks!
Haha! Nice one Don. I think there must have been a bad batch of them that lasted several weeks! Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

1:08pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Wilesy says...

I'm with LR on the loan position we may as well use it to our advantage. You win some you lose some in terms of success rate - for every Ajose or Pritchard you will get a Reckord or Murphy, but that's life. It's no different to permanent players - for every Wes or Greer you will get an O'Brien or Prutton

I have more interest in watching the best players we can get at the club than a wonderful team spirit, and I would much rather watch loan signing Pritchard or Danny Ward ahead of say Alan O'Brian on the pitch. Different sport but similar issue I would also like to see star batsman Kevin Pietersen in the England cricket set up who cares if he ruffles a few feathers.

There is pretty much no loyalty in football so good players be it loans or perms will move on if the price is right, so it's a rather naive view that every player that wears a Town shirt has the success of the club ahead of their own career and playing at the highest level they can for the most wages.

I do think there has to be a core of leaders eg Ward, Nathan, Wes, Jay and more recently Troy probably fit that description this season, and you build around them.
I'm with LR on the loan position we may as well use it to our advantage. You win some you lose some in terms of success rate - for every Ajose or Pritchard you will get a Reckord or Murphy, but that's life. It's no different to permanent players - for every Wes or Greer you will get an O'Brien or Prutton I have more interest in watching the best players we can get at the club than a wonderful team spirit, and I would much rather watch loan signing Pritchard or Danny Ward ahead of say Alan O'Brian on the pitch. Different sport but similar issue I would also like to see star batsman Kevin Pietersen in the England cricket set up who cares if he ruffles a few feathers. There is pretty much no loyalty in football so good players be it loans or perms will move on if the price is right, so it's a rather naive view that every player that wears a Town shirt has the success of the club ahead of their own career and playing at the highest level they can for the most wages. I do think there has to be a core of leaders eg Ward, Nathan, Wes, Jay and more recently Troy probably fit that description this season, and you build around them. Wilesy
  • Score: 1

1:15pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Davidsyrett says...

People going on about loan players, I just wonder were we would have been this season without them? Oh Sam..County Ground!
People going on about loan players, I just wonder were we would have been this season without them? Oh Sam..County Ground! Davidsyrett
  • Score: -2

1:49pm Wed 16 Apr 14

London Red says...

Wilesy wrote:
I'm with LR on the loan position we may as well use it to our advantage. You win some you lose some in terms of success rate - for every Ajose or Pritchard you will get a Reckord or Murphy, but that's life. It's no different to permanent players - for every Wes or Greer you will get an O'Brien or Prutton I have more interest in watching the best players we can get at the club than a wonderful team spirit, and I would much rather watch loan signing Pritchard or Danny Ward ahead of say Alan O'Brian on the pitch. Different sport but similar issue I would also like to see star batsman Kevin Pietersen in the England cricket set up who cares if he ruffles a few feathers. There is pretty much no loyalty in football so good players be it loans or perms will move on if the price is right, so it's a rather naive view that every player that wears a Town shirt has the success of the club ahead of their own career and playing at the highest level they can for the most wages. I do think there has to be a core of leaders eg Ward, Nathan, Wes, Jay and more recently Troy probably fit that description this season, and you build around them.
Agree 99% - though I don't think The Thompsons fit in they only are lookinmg after themselves - they clearly love the club and a move away would be a big thing
.
Not saying they won't or never should - as if we can't match their potential they should go
.
However, I jusat think they would give the club as much time as possible to see if they can hit their potential here
.
Louis has no need to move yet as he has years ahead of him - so can't see him demanding a move like we have seen from Morisson, Austin or Flint in the past

You point is interesting - if you throw in the likes of Ranger!
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An STFC player - who might be "upsetting team spirit" - possibly more than any loanee could - yet is by far and away the best player at the club!
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I personally want him out there than not as his stats clearly show the impact he has - I also think the players feel that way thus teir vote in Jan!
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For me the core for 2014/15 should be Wes, Nathan.T, Troy, Nathan.B, Louis, Mass and Nile
.
Those 7 should be what we build around - especially as they provide lots of flexibility and with them we can easily rotate between 442, 532, 4231/433
.
As said before if it is a loanee like Pritchard in or a perm player Smith joining them - I don't care as long as the team are performing and moving forward
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: I'm with LR on the loan position we may as well use it to our advantage. You win some you lose some in terms of success rate - for every Ajose or Pritchard you will get a Reckord or Murphy, but that's life. It's no different to permanent players - for every Wes or Greer you will get an O'Brien or Prutton I have more interest in watching the best players we can get at the club than a wonderful team spirit, and I would much rather watch loan signing Pritchard or Danny Ward ahead of say Alan O'Brian on the pitch. Different sport but similar issue I would also like to see star batsman Kevin Pietersen in the England cricket set up who cares if he ruffles a few feathers. There is pretty much no loyalty in football so good players be it loans or perms will move on if the price is right, so it's a rather naive view that every player that wears a Town shirt has the success of the club ahead of their own career and playing at the highest level they can for the most wages. I do think there has to be a core of leaders eg Ward, Nathan, Wes, Jay and more recently Troy probably fit that description this season, and you build around them.[/p][/quote]Agree 99% - though I don't think The Thompsons fit in they only are lookinmg after themselves - they clearly love the club and a move away would be a big thing . Not saying they won't or never should - as if we can't match their potential they should go . However, I jusat think they would give the club as much time as possible to see if they can hit their potential here . Louis has no need to move yet as he has years ahead of him - so can't see him demanding a move like we have seen from Morisson, Austin or Flint in the past You point is interesting - if you throw in the likes of Ranger! . An STFC player - who might be "upsetting team spirit" - possibly more than any loanee could - yet is by far and away the best player at the club! . I personally want him out there than not as his stats clearly show the impact he has - I also think the players feel that way thus teir vote in Jan! . For me the core for 2014/15 should be Wes, Nathan.T, Troy, Nathan.B, Louis, Mass and Nile . Those 7 should be what we build around - especially as they provide lots of flexibility and with them we can easily rotate between 442, 532, 4231/433 . As said before if it is a loanee like Pritchard in or a perm player Smith joining them - I don't care as long as the team are performing and moving forward London Red
  • Score: 2

2:02pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Davidsyrett says...

London Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
I'm with LR on the loan position we may as well use it to our advantage. You win some you lose some in terms of success rate - for every Ajose or Pritchard you will get a Reckord or Murphy, but that's life. It's no different to permanent players - for every Wes or Greer you will get an O'Brien or Prutton I have more interest in watching the best players we can get at the club than a wonderful team spirit, and I would much rather watch loan signing Pritchard or Danny Ward ahead of say Alan O'Brian on the pitch. Different sport but similar issue I would also like to see star batsman Kevin Pietersen in the England cricket set up who cares if he ruffles a few feathers. There is pretty much no loyalty in football so good players be it loans or perms will move on if the price is right, so it's a rather naive view that every player that wears a Town shirt has the success of the club ahead of their own career and playing at the highest level they can for the most wages. I do think there has to be a core of leaders eg Ward, Nathan, Wes, Jay and more recently Troy probably fit that description this season, and you build around them.
Agree 99% - though I don't think The Thompsons fit in they only are lookinmg after themselves - they clearly love the club and a move away would be a big thing
.
Not saying they won't or never should - as if we can't match their potential they should go
.
However, I jusat think they would give the club as much time as possible to see if they can hit their potential here
.
Louis has no need to move yet as he has years ahead of him - so can't see him demanding a move like we have seen from Morisson, Austin or Flint in the past

You point is interesting - if you throw in the likes of Ranger!
.
An STFC player - who might be "upsetting team spirit" - possibly more than any loanee could - yet is by far and away the best player at the club!
.
I personally want him out there than not as his stats clearly show the impact he has - I also think the players feel that way thus teir vote in Jan!
.
For me the core for 2014/15 should be Wes, Nathan.T, Troy, Nathan.B, Louis, Mass and Nile
.
Those 7 should be what we build around - especially as they provide lots of flexibility and with them we can easily rotate between 442, 532, 4231/433
.
As said before if it is a loanee like Pritchard in or a perm player Smith joining them - I don't care as long as the team are performing and moving forward
Would add Kasim & Jay to that List, add in Stephens if we can get him back, that would only leave us needing another striker to have a great looking 1st 11.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: I'm with LR on the loan position we may as well use it to our advantage. You win some you lose some in terms of success rate - for every Ajose or Pritchard you will get a Reckord or Murphy, but that's life. It's no different to permanent players - for every Wes or Greer you will get an O'Brien or Prutton I have more interest in watching the best players we can get at the club than a wonderful team spirit, and I would much rather watch loan signing Pritchard or Danny Ward ahead of say Alan O'Brian on the pitch. Different sport but similar issue I would also like to see star batsman Kevin Pietersen in the England cricket set up who cares if he ruffles a few feathers. There is pretty much no loyalty in football so good players be it loans or perms will move on if the price is right, so it's a rather naive view that every player that wears a Town shirt has the success of the club ahead of their own career and playing at the highest level they can for the most wages. I do think there has to be a core of leaders eg Ward, Nathan, Wes, Jay and more recently Troy probably fit that description this season, and you build around them.[/p][/quote]Agree 99% - though I don't think The Thompsons fit in they only are lookinmg after themselves - they clearly love the club and a move away would be a big thing . Not saying they won't or never should - as if we can't match their potential they should go . However, I jusat think they would give the club as much time as possible to see if they can hit their potential here . Louis has no need to move yet as he has years ahead of him - so can't see him demanding a move like we have seen from Morisson, Austin or Flint in the past You point is interesting - if you throw in the likes of Ranger! . An STFC player - who might be "upsetting team spirit" - possibly more than any loanee could - yet is by far and away the best player at the club! . I personally want him out there than not as his stats clearly show the impact he has - I also think the players feel that way thus teir vote in Jan! . For me the core for 2014/15 should be Wes, Nathan.T, Troy, Nathan.B, Louis, Mass and Nile . Those 7 should be what we build around - especially as they provide lots of flexibility and with them we can easily rotate between 442, 532, 4231/433 . As said before if it is a loanee like Pritchard in or a perm player Smith joining them - I don't care as long as the team are performing and moving forward[/p][/quote]Would add Kasim & Jay to that List, add in Stephens if we can get him back, that would only leave us needing another striker to have a great looking 1st 11. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 0

2:32pm Wed 16 Apr 14

London Red says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
London Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote: I'm with LR on the loan position we may as well use it to our advantage. You win some you lose some in terms of success rate - for every Ajose or Pritchard you will get a Reckord or Murphy, but that's life. It's no different to permanent players - for every Wes or Greer you will get an O'Brien or Prutton I have more interest in watching the best players we can get at the club than a wonderful team spirit, and I would much rather watch loan signing Pritchard or Danny Ward ahead of say Alan O'Brian on the pitch. Different sport but similar issue I would also like to see star batsman Kevin Pietersen in the England cricket set up who cares if he ruffles a few feathers. There is pretty much no loyalty in football so good players be it loans or perms will move on if the price is right, so it's a rather naive view that every player that wears a Town shirt has the success of the club ahead of their own career and playing at the highest level they can for the most wages. I do think there has to be a core of leaders eg Ward, Nathan, Wes, Jay and more recently Troy probably fit that description this season, and you build around them.
Agree 99% - though I don't think The Thompsons fit in they only are lookinmg after themselves - they clearly love the club and a move away would be a big thing . Not saying they won't or never should - as if we can't match their potential they should go . However, I jusat think they would give the club as much time as possible to see if they can hit their potential here . Louis has no need to move yet as he has years ahead of him - so can't see him demanding a move like we have seen from Morisson, Austin or Flint in the past You point is interesting - if you throw in the likes of Ranger! . An STFC player - who might be "upsetting team spirit" - possibly more than any loanee could - yet is by far and away the best player at the club! . I personally want him out there than not as his stats clearly show the impact he has - I also think the players feel that way thus teir vote in Jan! . For me the core for 2014/15 should be Wes, Nathan.T, Troy, Nathan.B, Louis, Mass and Nile . Those 7 should be what we build around - especially as they provide lots of flexibility and with them we can easily rotate between 442, 532, 4231/433 . As said before if it is a loanee like Pritchard in or a perm player Smith joining them - I don't care as long as the team are performing and moving forward
Would add Kasim & Jay to that List, add in Stephens if we can get him back, that would only leave us needing another striker to have a great looking 1st 11.
Stephens - 100% - will be delighted if he comes back
.
Kasim - been too hit and miss for me and often think he can disrupt us as will turn back and delay playing decisive through balls etc
.
Don't want him out - just more of a squad player who would come in and out depending on opponent or formation played
.
Though he could be suffering from 1st season sydrome and the experiences gained this season will see him improve dramtically next year
.
Jays is another who has been hit and miss - you can't doubt his passion - but that often leads to red mist and we will end up with Orient at home type games - add in his knee which means he has to be managed and that could provide too many disrputions if TAH is also still being managed too
.
Plus he is a legacy player so is going to be on big wages - we can't rally afford more than 1 and TAH gets my vote
.
Also if we were playing 4 - I would drop Jay as I think Byrne needs to be given a proper run in the LB / LWBK role to develop his game - add all that up and for me I would rather see Hall or Branco come in and be the 3rd man in a 532 than Jay
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: I'm with LR on the loan position we may as well use it to our advantage. You win some you lose some in terms of success rate - for every Ajose or Pritchard you will get a Reckord or Murphy, but that's life. It's no different to permanent players - for every Wes or Greer you will get an O'Brien or Prutton I have more interest in watching the best players we can get at the club than a wonderful team spirit, and I would much rather watch loan signing Pritchard or Danny Ward ahead of say Alan O'Brian on the pitch. Different sport but similar issue I would also like to see star batsman Kevin Pietersen in the England cricket set up who cares if he ruffles a few feathers. There is pretty much no loyalty in football so good players be it loans or perms will move on if the price is right, so it's a rather naive view that every player that wears a Town shirt has the success of the club ahead of their own career and playing at the highest level they can for the most wages. I do think there has to be a core of leaders eg Ward, Nathan, Wes, Jay and more recently Troy probably fit that description this season, and you build around them.[/p][/quote]Agree 99% - though I don't think The Thompsons fit in they only are lookinmg after themselves - they clearly love the club and a move away would be a big thing . Not saying they won't or never should - as if we can't match their potential they should go . However, I jusat think they would give the club as much time as possible to see if they can hit their potential here . Louis has no need to move yet as he has years ahead of him - so can't see him demanding a move like we have seen from Morisson, Austin or Flint in the past You point is interesting - if you throw in the likes of Ranger! . An STFC player - who might be "upsetting team spirit" - possibly more than any loanee could - yet is by far and away the best player at the club! . I personally want him out there than not as his stats clearly show the impact he has - I also think the players feel that way thus teir vote in Jan! . For me the core for 2014/15 should be Wes, Nathan.T, Troy, Nathan.B, Louis, Mass and Nile . Those 7 should be what we build around - especially as they provide lots of flexibility and with them we can easily rotate between 442, 532, 4231/433 . As said before if it is a loanee like Pritchard in or a perm player Smith joining them - I don't care as long as the team are performing and moving forward[/p][/quote]Would add Kasim & Jay to that List, add in Stephens if we can get him back, that would only leave us needing another striker to have a great looking 1st 11.[/p][/quote]Stephens - 100% - will be delighted if he comes back . Kasim - been too hit and miss for me and often think he can disrupt us as will turn back and delay playing decisive through balls etc . Don't want him out - just more of a squad player who would come in and out depending on opponent or formation played . Though he could be suffering from 1st season sydrome and the experiences gained this season will see him improve dramtically next year . Jays is another who has been hit and miss - you can't doubt his passion - but that often leads to red mist and we will end up with Orient at home type games - add in his knee which means he has to be managed and that could provide too many disrputions if TAH is also still being managed too . Plus he is a legacy player so is going to be on big wages - we can't rally afford more than 1 and TAH gets my vote . Also if we were playing 4 - I would drop Jay as I think Byrne needs to be given a proper run in the LB / LWBK role to develop his game - add all that up and for me I would rather see Hall or Branco come in and be the 3rd man in a 532 than Jay London Red
  • Score: 2

2:42pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
People going on about loan players, I just wonder were we would have been this season without them? Oh Sam..County Ground!
But you're either missing or ignoring the point DS. Why does it have to be that way? We are a third tier club competing mostly against clubs of the same size or smaller. We need good third tier players, not Premier League players who may or may not make it at any level of the game.

Wilesy, you say you are more interested in seeing good players than having a good team spirit. We all want to see good players but lately we've beaten several sides who are technically better than us and we've done that with grit, determination and team spirit. Give me a team of triers over 11 individuals any day. At any level of football the side that plays as a team usually wins as a team. I rest my case m'Lud.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: People going on about loan players, I just wonder were we would have been this season without them? Oh Sam..County Ground![/p][/quote]But you're either missing or ignoring the point DS. Why does it have to be that way? We are a third tier club competing mostly against clubs of the same size or smaller. We need good third tier players, not Premier League players who may or may not make it at any level of the game. Wilesy, you say you are more interested in seeing good players than having a good team spirit. We all want to see good players but lately we've beaten several sides who are technically better than us and we've done that with grit, determination and team spirit. Give me a team of triers over 11 individuals any day. At any level of football the side that plays as a team usually wins as a team. I rest my case m'Lud. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

2:57pm Wed 16 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

We are PANTS wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
oo-r-ya? wrote:
Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.
Absolutely right, if it's one thing that brasses me off its Adver hacks, and that idiot of a PA announcer referring to the County Ground as SN1, which is a post code area for about 25? square miles that constitutes Central Swindon.
Can you imagine the late great Clive King writing his post match report for The Pink and starting it ala "here at SN1 today....."
SAM!!! Please note and for goodness sake stop using journo shorthand to describe our home turf. Just think how stupid it would sound if a Town fan was asked "what's the name of your ground? and the reply was we play at SN1. Get it sorted Sam!
All about choice my friend!! What a boring world if we all thought the same!! For what it's worth I like the term SN1 ... Let the thumbs vote!!! :-)
Give me the tannoy pants
I would say welcome to
OX4 4XP
You live in a boring world as you don't agree with me.
Saying that no mention of football again
OUFC
[quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oo-r-ya?[/bold] wrote: Sam, why do you keep saying things like, "since arriving in SN1...."? It's got a perfectly good name - The County Ground! I noticed the pitch side announcer on Saturday said the same as the teams came out. Why not use the whole postcode? Is there a limit to the number of characters available to you? I'd love to know.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right, if it's one thing that brasses me off its Adver hacks, and that idiot of a PA announcer referring to the County Ground as SN1, which is a post code area for about 25? square miles that constitutes Central Swindon. Can you imagine the late great Clive King writing his post match report for The Pink and starting it ala "here at SN1 today....." SAM!!! Please note and for goodness sake stop using journo shorthand to describe our home turf. Just think how stupid it would sound if a Town fan was asked "what's the name of your ground? and the reply was we play at SN1. Get it sorted Sam![/p][/quote]All about choice my friend!! What a boring world if we all thought the same!! For what it's worth I like the term SN1 ... Let the thumbs vote!!! :-)[/p][/quote]Give me the tannoy pants I would say welcome to OX4 4XP You live in a boring world as you don't agree with me. Saying that no mention of football again OUFC smirg kcab
  • Score: -3

3:07pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Davidsyrett says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
People going on about loan players, I just wonder were we would have been this season without them? Oh Sam..County Ground!
But you're either missing or ignoring the point DS. Why does it have to be that way? We are a third tier club competing mostly against clubs of the same size or smaller. We need good third tier players, not Premier League players who may or may not make it at any level of the game.

Wilesy, you say you are more interested in seeing good players than having a good team spirit. We all want to see good players but lately we've beaten several sides who are technically better than us and we've done that with grit, determination and team spirit. Give me a team of triers over 11 individuals any day. At any level of football the side that plays as a team usually wins as a team. I rest my case m'Lud.
Den, the bottom line is that without loan players we are going to find it very hard to compete in this division as most other teams have loanees as well. I have no problem with it. Quite frankly I would rather finish 7th or 8th this season with our loan players than be battling relegation without them.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: People going on about loan players, I just wonder were we would have been this season without them? Oh Sam..County Ground![/p][/quote]But you're either missing or ignoring the point DS. Why does it have to be that way? We are a third tier club competing mostly against clubs of the same size or smaller. We need good third tier players, not Premier League players who may or may not make it at any level of the game. Wilesy, you say you are more interested in seeing good players than having a good team spirit. We all want to see good players but lately we've beaten several sides who are technically better than us and we've done that with grit, determination and team spirit. Give me a team of triers over 11 individuals any day. At any level of football the side that plays as a team usually wins as a team. I rest my case m'Lud.[/p][/quote]Den, the bottom line is that without loan players we are going to find it very hard to compete in this division as most other teams have loanees as well. I have no problem with it. Quite frankly I would rather finish 7th or 8th this season with our loan players than be battling relegation without them. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 0

3:10pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
I'm with LR on the loan position we may as well use it to our advantage. You win some you lose some in terms of success rate - for every Ajose or Pritchard you will get a Reckord or Murphy, but that's life. It's no different to permanent players - for every Wes or Greer you will get an O'Brien or Prutton I have more interest in watching the best players we can get at the club than a wonderful team spirit, and I would much rather watch loan signing Pritchard or Danny Ward ahead of say Alan O'Brian on the pitch. Different sport but similar issue I would also like to see star batsman Kevin Pietersen in the England cricket set up who cares if he ruffles a few feathers. There is pretty much no loyalty in football so good players be it loans or perms will move on if the price is right, so it's a rather naive view that every player that wears a Town shirt has the success of the club ahead of their own career and playing at the highest level they can for the most wages. I do think there has to be a core of leaders eg Ward, Nathan, Wes, Jay and more recently Troy probably fit that description this season, and you build around them.
Agree 99% - though I don't think The Thompsons fit in they only are lookinmg after themselves - they clearly love the club and a move away would be a big thing
.
Not saying they won't or never should - as if we can't match their potential they should go
.
However, I jusat think they would give the club as much time as possible to see if they can hit their potential here
.
Louis has no need to move yet as he has years ahead of him - so can't see him demanding a move like we have seen from Morisson, Austin or Flint in the past

You point is interesting - if you throw in the likes of Ranger!
.
An STFC player - who might be "upsetting team spirit" - possibly more than any loanee could - yet is by far and away the best player at the club!
.
I personally want him out there than not as his stats clearly show the impact he has - I also think the players feel that way thus teir vote in Jan!
.
For me the core for 2014/15 should be Wes, Nathan.T, Troy, Nathan.B, Louis, Mass and Nile
.
Those 7 should be what we build around - especially as they provide lots of flexibility and with them we can easily rotate between 442, 532, 4231/433
.
As said before if it is a loanee like Pritchard in or a perm player Smith joining them - I don't care as long as the team are performing and moving forward
Hopefully the Thompsons are different to most and stay for ages but will be interested to see their decision if a big club comes in for one or both and likewise Powers decision if he's offered big money for one or both...

Yes Ranger is like Pietersen in our team, agree keep him, although slightly different level of indiscretion from Nile....but just as valuable to the team.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: I'm with LR on the loan position we may as well use it to our advantage. You win some you lose some in terms of success rate - for every Ajose or Pritchard you will get a Reckord or Murphy, but that's life. It's no different to permanent players - for every Wes or Greer you will get an O'Brien or Prutton I have more interest in watching the best players we can get at the club than a wonderful team spirit, and I would much rather watch loan signing Pritchard or Danny Ward ahead of say Alan O'Brian on the pitch. Different sport but similar issue I would also like to see star batsman Kevin Pietersen in the England cricket set up who cares if he ruffles a few feathers. There is pretty much no loyalty in football so good players be it loans or perms will move on if the price is right, so it's a rather naive view that every player that wears a Town shirt has the success of the club ahead of their own career and playing at the highest level they can for the most wages. I do think there has to be a core of leaders eg Ward, Nathan, Wes, Jay and more recently Troy probably fit that description this season, and you build around them.[/p][/quote]Agree 99% - though I don't think The Thompsons fit in they only are lookinmg after themselves - they clearly love the club and a move away would be a big thing . Not saying they won't or never should - as if we can't match their potential they should go . However, I jusat think they would give the club as much time as possible to see if they can hit their potential here . Louis has no need to move yet as he has years ahead of him - so can't see him demanding a move like we have seen from Morisson, Austin or Flint in the past You point is interesting - if you throw in the likes of Ranger! . An STFC player - who might be "upsetting team spirit" - possibly more than any loanee could - yet is by far and away the best player at the club! . I personally want him out there than not as his stats clearly show the impact he has - I also think the players feel that way thus teir vote in Jan! . For me the core for 2014/15 should be Wes, Nathan.T, Troy, Nathan.B, Louis, Mass and Nile . Those 7 should be what we build around - especially as they provide lots of flexibility and with them we can easily rotate between 442, 532, 4231/433 . As said before if it is a loanee like Pritchard in or a perm player Smith joining them - I don't care as long as the team are performing and moving forward[/p][/quote]Hopefully the Thompsons are different to most and stay for ages but will be interested to see their decision if a big club comes in for one or both and likewise Powers decision if he's offered big money for one or both... Yes Ranger is like Pietersen in our team, agree keep him, although slightly different level of indiscretion from Nile....but just as valuable to the team. Wilesy
  • Score: 0

3:15pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Ah, there's the crux of it. If we all need several loan players to be able to field decent teams against each other, isn't there something wrong somewhere?
Ah, there's the crux of it. If we all need several loan players to be able to field decent teams against each other, isn't there something wrong somewhere? Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

3:30pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
People going on about loan players, I just wonder were we would have been this season without them? Oh Sam..County Ground!
But you're either missing or ignoring the point DS. Why does it have to be that way? We are a third tier club competing mostly against clubs of the same size or smaller. We need good third tier players, not Premier League players who may or may not make it at any level of the game.

Wilesy, you say you are more interested in seeing good players than having a good team spirit. We all want to see good players but lately we've beaten several sides who are technically better than us and we've done that with grit, determination and team spirit. Give me a team of triers over 11 individuals any day. At any level of football the side that plays as a team usually wins as a team. I rest my case m'Lud.
Den my point wasn't that I want a team of 11 mavericks or show ponies who are going through the motions. We need the best team we can get with mainly perms and a few loans from a higher level who are better than we have.

Seem to recall you were quite a fan of loan players Martin and Hollands when they came in....and the football played at that time was outstanding, with those two giving the rest of the team a boost as well.

In any case that's the managers job to get his players motivated and tactics right, which Cooper seems to have done...and as I've said several times I don't think its down to just one thing like the intro of Stephens or Louis rolling his sleeves up and getting stuck in, its down to the whole set up, loans and all....
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: People going on about loan players, I just wonder were we would have been this season without them? Oh Sam..County Ground![/p][/quote]But you're either missing or ignoring the point DS. Why does it have to be that way? We are a third tier club competing mostly against clubs of the same size or smaller. We need good third tier players, not Premier League players who may or may not make it at any level of the game. Wilesy, you say you are more interested in seeing good players than having a good team spirit. We all want to see good players but lately we've beaten several sides who are technically better than us and we've done that with grit, determination and team spirit. Give me a team of triers over 11 individuals any day. At any level of football the side that plays as a team usually wins as a team. I rest my case m'Lud.[/p][/quote]Den my point wasn't that I want a team of 11 mavericks or show ponies who are going through the motions. We need the best team we can get with mainly perms and a few loans from a higher level who are better than we have. Seem to recall you were quite a fan of loan players Martin and Hollands when they came in....and the football played at that time was outstanding, with those two giving the rest of the team a boost as well. In any case that's the managers job to get his players motivated and tactics right, which Cooper seems to have done...and as I've said several times I don't think its down to just one thing like the intro of Stephens or Louis rolling his sleeves up and getting stuck in, its down to the whole set up, loans and all.... Wilesy
  • Score: 0

3:46pm Wed 16 Apr 14

the don69 says...

Man City paying over £5.3m to each of their first team on average! that's about three times our annual budget on ONE player and they talk about financial fair play your having a laugh, that's why the lower leagues survive on subsidized loans!!!!!!!
Man City paying over £5.3m to each of their first team on average! that's about three times our annual budget on ONE player and they talk about financial fair play your having a laugh, that's why the lower leagues survive on subsidized loans!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 0

6:13pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

the don69 wrote:
We play at the COUNTY GROUND Sam! not sn1. no one says we are going to HA9 (that's Wembley if anyone knows or even cares????)
I disagree Don, have you never heard the song
"Tell me Ma, me Ma,
Not here at dinner time,
We're going to HA9,
Tell me ma, Ma"
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: We play at the COUNTY GROUND Sam! not sn1. no one says we are going to HA9 (that's Wembley if anyone knows or even cares????)[/p][/quote]I disagree Don, have you never heard the song "Tell me Ma, me Ma, Not here at dinner time, We're going to HA9, Tell me ma, Ma" mancrobin
  • Score: 2

6:21pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy, I've said many times that I'm not against the loan system. Yes, I liked Hollands and Martin (although it was always clear that we were going to get him fit for someone else's benefit). It's large numbers of loans that I don't think is right. And whether I like the players or not is not going to change my view. If we had 11 players on loan and I thought they were all brilliant it wouldn't mean I think it's right. And I do realise you can't have that many on loan!
Wilesy, I've said many times that I'm not against the loan system. Yes, I liked Hollands and Martin (although it was always clear that we were going to get him fit for someone else's benefit). It's large numbers of loans that I don't think is right. And whether I like the players or not is not going to change my view. If we had 11 players on loan and I thought they were all brilliant it wouldn't mean I think it's right. And I do realise you can't have that many on loan! Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

6:44pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

I have no issue with loan players as long as they add to the team, we have had both kinds to be fair, players who have worked and gone on to play for bigger teams and players not so good, for me from what I have seen of reckford and I can only judge the games played he most certainly falls in the latter.
I have no issue with loan players as long as they add to the team, we have had both kinds to be fair, players who have worked and gone on to play for bigger teams and players not so good, for me from what I have seen of reckford and I can only judge the games played he most certainly falls in the latter. Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: 1

7:13pm Wed 16 Apr 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, you have your view and I have mine. For me, football is all about what you feel in your guts - and I have had a much better feeling in mine in the last few weeks than I did earlier in the season. It's not just about results; it's about team spirit, a feeling that the players are all working for each other at last. You can call it bull if you like. I'm sure neither of us is going to convince the other.
I claimed its bull as you said Thompson was denied a place due to loanees
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Yet not one single loanee at anytime during there season has played in the position Thompson does - so is in fact an impossibility to block his development
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That is a fact and can't be down to opinion
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, you have your view and I have mine. For me, football is all about what you feel in your guts - and I have had a much better feeling in mine in the last few weeks than I did earlier in the season. It's not just about results; it's about team spirit, a feeling that the players are all working for each other at last. You can call it bull if you like. I'm sure neither of us is going to convince the other.[/p][/quote]I claimed its bull as you said Thompson was denied a place due to loanees . Yet not one single loanee at anytime during there season has played in the position Thompson does - so is in fact an impossibility to block his development . That is a fact and can't be down to opinion London Red
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7:19pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

I don't think any of us saw enough of Reckford to make a judgement, even Cooper. He came in to fill a short term gap, didn't immediately impress and then others came back.

So, he didn't immediately impress. Why should some people be so negative about him? Hope he goes on to prove his doubters wrong.

In terms of other loanees we've had mentioned on this thread, I'd add Chris Martin to a list of those who didn't immediately impress. Not doing so bad now though.
I don't think any of us saw enough of Reckford to make a judgement, even Cooper. He came in to fill a short term gap, didn't immediately impress and then others came back. So, he didn't immediately impress. Why should some people be so negative about him? Hope he goes on to prove his doubters wrong. In terms of other loanees we've had mentioned on this thread, I'd add Chris Martin to a list of those who didn't immediately impress. Not doing so bad now though. mancrobin
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7:19pm Wed 16 Apr 14

the don69 says...

mancrobin wrote:
the don69 wrote:
We play at the COUNTY GROUND Sam! not sn1. no one says we are going to HA9 (that's Wembley if anyone knows or even cares????)
I disagree Don, have you never heard the song
"Tell me Ma, me Ma,
Not here at dinner time,
We're going to HA9,
Tell me ma, Ma"
LOL,What about NN5 got one for Friday?
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: We play at the COUNTY GROUND Sam! not sn1. no one says we are going to HA9 (that's Wembley if anyone knows or even cares????)[/p][/quote]I disagree Don, have you never heard the song "Tell me Ma, me Ma, Not here at dinner time, We're going to HA9, Tell me ma, Ma"[/p][/quote]LOL,What about NN5 got one for Friday? the don69
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7:22pm Wed 16 Apr 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Ah, there's the crux of it. If we all need several loan players to be able to field decent teams against each other, isn't there something wrong somewhere?
We all know that and that has been the case since 1992!
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The game moves on and clubs have to as well
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The days of one possibly two loanees are out and the days of five are in
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As I said earlier if that is too many depends on your view point - me 5 in 25 or 20% is not that bad and still leaves identity in place - even with four from one club
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If those 20% are better than you could afford as perms and because you save with that 20% means the others 80% are better than you could afford if 25 perms then surely as a club STFC are better off!
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I'm all for that as if it means Wes, TAH,, the Thiompsons and Nile stay because of it !
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Ah, there's the crux of it. If we all need several loan players to be able to field decent teams against each other, isn't there something wrong somewhere?[/p][/quote]We all know that and that has been the case since 1992! . The game moves on and clubs have to as well . The days of one possibly two loanees are out and the days of five are in . As I said earlier if that is too many depends on your view point - me 5 in 25 or 20% is not that bad and still leaves identity in place - even with four from one club . If those 20% are better than you could afford as perms and because you save with that 20% means the others 80% are better than you could afford if 25 perms then surely as a club STFC are better off! . I'm all for that as if it means Wes, TAH,, the Thiompsons and Nile stay because of it ! London Red
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8:21pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

the don69 wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
the don69 wrote:
We play at the COUNTY GROUND Sam! not sn1. no one says we are going to HA9 (that's Wembley if anyone knows or even cares????)
I disagree Don, have you never heard the song
"Tell me Ma, me Ma,
Not here at dinner time,
We're going to HA9,
Tell me ma, Ma"
LOL,What about NN5 got one for Friday?
Feast your eyes, your eyes,
On good old Lady Godive
We're off to NN5
Feast your eyes, your eyes

I'm told she covers the whole postcode Don, on a horse.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: We play at the COUNTY GROUND Sam! not sn1. no one says we are going to HA9 (that's Wembley if anyone knows or even cares????)[/p][/quote]I disagree Don, have you never heard the song "Tell me Ma, me Ma, Not here at dinner time, We're going to HA9, Tell me ma, Ma"[/p][/quote]LOL,What about NN5 got one for Friday?[/p][/quote]Feast your eyes, your eyes, On good old Lady Godive We're off to NN5 Feast your eyes, your eyes I'm told she covers the whole postcode Don, on a horse. mancrobin
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8:34pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
I don't think any of us saw enough of Reckford to make a judgement, even Cooper. He came in to fill a short term gap, didn't immediately impress and then others came back.

So, he didn't immediately impress. Why should some people be so negative about him? Hope he goes on to prove his doubters wrong.

In terms of other loanees we've had mentioned on this thread, I'd add Chris Martin to a list of those who didn't immediately impress. Not doing so bad now though.
Disagree slightly Manc. I thought Martin's ability was obvious pretty much straightaway. Unfortunately so was his Sunday League physique. By the time he left, PDC had got him looking like a footballer. It was such a pity, although very predictable, that we didn't get the best out of him. For all his faults, Di Canio certainly knew what shape his players should be in. It's the old Macari philosophy that still holds good today: If you can't run, you can't play football.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: I don't think any of us saw enough of Reckford to make a judgement, even Cooper. He came in to fill a short term gap, didn't immediately impress and then others came back. So, he didn't immediately impress. Why should some people be so negative about him? Hope he goes on to prove his doubters wrong. In terms of other loanees we've had mentioned on this thread, I'd add Chris Martin to a list of those who didn't immediately impress. Not doing so bad now though.[/p][/quote]Disagree slightly Manc. I thought Martin's ability was obvious pretty much straightaway. Unfortunately so was his Sunday League physique. By the time he left, PDC had got him looking like a footballer. It was such a pity, although very predictable, that we didn't get the best out of him. For all his faults, Di Canio certainly knew what shape his players should be in. It's the old Macari philosophy that still holds good today: If you can't run, you can't play football. Oi Den!
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9:34pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
I don't think any of us saw enough of Reckford to make a judgement, even Cooper. He came in to fill a short term gap, didn't immediately impress and then others came back.

So, he didn't immediately impress. Why should some people be so negative about him? Hope he goes on to prove his doubters wrong.

In terms of other loanees we've had mentioned on this thread, I'd add Chris Martin to a list of those who didn't immediately impress. Not doing so bad now though.
Disagree slightly Manc. I thought Martin's ability was obvious pretty much straightaway. Unfortunately so was his Sunday League physique. By the time he left, PDC had got him looking like a footballer. It was such a pity, although very predictable, that we didn't get the best out of him. For all his faults, Di Canio certainly knew what shape his players should be in. It's the old Macari philosophy that still holds good today: If you can't run, you can't play football.
I'll say one good thing about loanees though Den. When folks round here are getting a nose bleed looking down at League 1, I can say things like "yeah, well when Carrick played for us.....and, well Milner was much more effective for the Town on the wing.."
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: I don't think any of us saw enough of Reckford to make a judgement, even Cooper. He came in to fill a short term gap, didn't immediately impress and then others came back. So, he didn't immediately impress. Why should some people be so negative about him? Hope he goes on to prove his doubters wrong. In terms of other loanees we've had mentioned on this thread, I'd add Chris Martin to a list of those who didn't immediately impress. Not doing so bad now though.[/p][/quote]Disagree slightly Manc. I thought Martin's ability was obvious pretty much straightaway. Unfortunately so was his Sunday League physique. By the time he left, PDC had got him looking like a footballer. It was such a pity, although very predictable, that we didn't get the best out of him. For all his faults, Di Canio certainly knew what shape his players should be in. It's the old Macari philosophy that still holds good today: If you can't run, you can't play football.[/p][/quote]I'll say one good thing about loanees though Den. When folks round here are getting a nose bleed looking down at League 1, I can say things like "yeah, well when Carrick played for us.....and, well Milner was much more effective for the Town on the wing.." mancrobin
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10:06pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Di kanny oh says...

Yes Reckord may well find another club but what doing exactly? cutting oranges, washing the kit, selling programmes because he certainly ain't no footballer and god forbid if we sign him.
Yes Reckord may well find another club but what doing exactly? cutting oranges, washing the kit, selling programmes because he certainly ain't no footballer and god forbid if we sign him. Di kanny oh
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10:25pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
I don't think any of us saw enough of Reckford to make a judgement, even Cooper. He came in to fill a short term gap, didn't immediately impress and then others came back.

So, he didn't immediately impress. Why should some people be so negative about him? Hope he goes on to prove his doubters wrong.

In terms of other loanees we've had mentioned on this thread, I'd add Chris Martin to a list of those who didn't immediately impress. Not doing so bad now though.
Disagree slightly Manc. I thought Martin's ability was obvious pretty much straightaway. Unfortunately so was his Sunday League physique. By the time he left, PDC had got him looking like a footballer. It was such a pity, although very predictable, that we didn't get the best out of him. For all his faults, Di Canio certainly knew what shape his players should be in. It's the old Macari philosophy that still holds good today: If you can't run, you can't play football.
I'll say one good thing about loanees though Den. When folks round here are getting a nose bleed looking down at League 1, I can say things like "yeah, well when Carrick played for us.....and, well Milner was much more effective for the Town on the wing.."
Eastohhh... will always be my favourite loan player. 2 goals on his debut and worth every penny of the £80,000 we eventually paid for him. That fee is from memory. Can't be bothered to look it up, so happy to stand corrected!
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: I don't think any of us saw enough of Reckford to make a judgement, even Cooper. He came in to fill a short term gap, didn't immediately impress and then others came back. So, he didn't immediately impress. Why should some people be so negative about him? Hope he goes on to prove his doubters wrong. In terms of other loanees we've had mentioned on this thread, I'd add Chris Martin to a list of those who didn't immediately impress. Not doing so bad now though.[/p][/quote]Disagree slightly Manc. I thought Martin's ability was obvious pretty much straightaway. Unfortunately so was his Sunday League physique. By the time he left, PDC had got him looking like a footballer. It was such a pity, although very predictable, that we didn't get the best out of him. For all his faults, Di Canio certainly knew what shape his players should be in. It's the old Macari philosophy that still holds good today: If you can't run, you can't play football.[/p][/quote]I'll say one good thing about loanees though Den. When folks round here are getting a nose bleed looking down at League 1, I can say things like "yeah, well when Carrick played for us.....and, well Milner was much more effective for the Town on the wing.."[/p][/quote]Eastohhh... will always be my favourite loan player. 2 goals on his debut and worth every penny of the £80,000 we eventually paid for him. That fee is from memory. Can't be bothered to look it up, so happy to stand corrected! Oi Den!
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10:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Di kanny oh says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
I don't think any of us saw enough of Reckford to make a judgement, even Cooper. He came in to fill a short term gap, didn't immediately impress and then others came back.

So, he didn't immediately impress. Why should some people be so negative about him? Hope he goes on to prove his doubters wrong.

In terms of other loanees we've had mentioned on this thread, I'd add Chris Martin to a list of those who didn't immediately impress. Not doing so bad now though.
Disagree slightly Manc. I thought Martin's ability was obvious pretty much straightaway. Unfortunately so was his Sunday League physique. By the time he left, PDC had got him looking like a footballer. It was such a pity, although very predictable, that we didn't get the best out of him. For all his faults, Di Canio certainly knew what shape his players should be in. It's the old Macari philosophy that still holds good today: If you can't run, you can't play football.
I'll say one good thing about loanees though Den. When folks round here are getting a nose bleed looking down at League 1, I can say things like "yeah, well when Carrick played for us.....and, well Milner was much more effective for the Town on the wing.."
Eastohhh... will always be my favourite loan player. 2 goals on his debut and worth every penny of the £80,000 we eventually paid for him. That fee is from memory. Can't be bothered to look it up, so happy to stand corrected!
Hi Den not far out mate it was £88,000 which was then a club record in March 1974. What a fantastic player don't make them like that anymore.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: I don't think any of us saw enough of Reckford to make a judgement, even Cooper. He came in to fill a short term gap, didn't immediately impress and then others came back. So, he didn't immediately impress. Why should some people be so negative about him? Hope he goes on to prove his doubters wrong. In terms of other loanees we've had mentioned on this thread, I'd add Chris Martin to a list of those who didn't immediately impress. Not doing so bad now though.[/p][/quote]Disagree slightly Manc. I thought Martin's ability was obvious pretty much straightaway. Unfortunately so was his Sunday League physique. By the time he left, PDC had got him looking like a footballer. It was such a pity, although very predictable, that we didn't get the best out of him. For all his faults, Di Canio certainly knew what shape his players should be in. It's the old Macari philosophy that still holds good today: If you can't run, you can't play football.[/p][/quote]I'll say one good thing about loanees though Den. When folks round here are getting a nose bleed looking down at League 1, I can say things like "yeah, well when Carrick played for us.....and, well Milner was much more effective for the Town on the wing.."[/p][/quote]Eastohhh... will always be my favourite loan player. 2 goals on his debut and worth every penny of the £80,000 we eventually paid for him. That fee is from memory. Can't be bothered to look it up, so happy to stand corrected![/p][/quote]Hi Den not far out mate it was £88,000 which was then a club record in March 1974. What a fantastic player don't make them like that anymore. Di kanny oh
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11:04pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

Yes, Eastoe, what a legend. Often makes it to my best all time 11. He wouldn't cut much ice round here though, from memory he went on to play for the Scousers in blue?

We've had some great loanees over the years. Jimmy Davies was one more recently who made a huge impact. I reckon he would have gone on to great things had he not been tragically killed in a road accident.
Yes, Eastoe, what a legend. Often makes it to my best all time 11. He wouldn't cut much ice round here though, from memory he went on to play for the Scousers in blue? We've had some great loanees over the years. Jimmy Davies was one more recently who made a huge impact. I reckon he would have gone on to great things had he not been tragically killed in a road accident. mancrobin
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11:54pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Cleuso says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
I don't think any of us saw enough of Reckford to make a judgement, even Cooper. He came in to fill a short term gap, didn't immediately impress and then others came back.

So, he didn't immediately impress. Why should some people be so negative about him? Hope he goes on to prove his doubters wrong.

In terms of other loanees we've had mentioned on this thread, I'd add Chris Martin to a list of those who didn't immediately impress. Not doing so bad now though.
Disagree slightly Manc. I thought Martin's ability was obvious pretty much straightaway. Unfortunately so was his Sunday League physique. By the time he left, PDC had got him looking like a footballer. It was such a pity, although very predictable, that we didn't get the best out of him. For all his faults, Di Canio certainly knew what shape his players should be in. It's the old Macari philosophy that still holds good today: If you can't run, you can't play football.
Run......Try telling that to the Spaniards or Italians
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: I don't think any of us saw enough of Reckford to make a judgement, even Cooper. He came in to fill a short term gap, didn't immediately impress and then others came back. So, he didn't immediately impress. Why should some people be so negative about him? Hope he goes on to prove his doubters wrong. In terms of other loanees we've had mentioned on this thread, I'd add Chris Martin to a list of those who didn't immediately impress. Not doing so bad now though.[/p][/quote]Disagree slightly Manc. I thought Martin's ability was obvious pretty much straightaway. Unfortunately so was his Sunday League physique. By the time he left, PDC had got him looking like a footballer. It was such a pity, although very predictable, that we didn't get the best out of him. For all his faults, Di Canio certainly knew what shape his players should be in. It's the old Macari philosophy that still holds good today: If you can't run, you can't play football.[/p][/quote]Run......Try telling that to the Spaniards or Italians Cleuso
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1:11pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Vintage Trouble says...

I don't mind SN1, and Sam probably doesn't mind a few people reading his articles for free having a whinge about it!
I don't mind SN1, and Sam probably doesn't mind a few people reading his articles for free having a whinge about it! Vintage Trouble
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