SAY NO TO LEAGUE THREE: The Vic Morgan Column

Greg Dyke's FA commission has proposed drastic changes to the format of the Football League

Greg Dyke's FA commission has proposed drastic changes to the format of the Football League

First published in STFC News

I REMEMBER the day well. I made my way down to the County Ground to speak to the then Town secretary Jon Pollard about the setting up of a new league structure.

The blurb said it was to provide a solid financial platform for the future of the game in this country.

It would benefit the sport from the very top to the very bottom. It would also provide the basis for a strong and successful England team.

Yes, that's right, it was the formation of the FA Premier League. Here we are some 20 years later looking at another restructuring from the same organisation.

It appears they want to insert a League Three below League Two and above the Conference.

This is purely so that the teams in the Premier League can allow their young players to get some competitive football.

Okay, why is that a bad thing?

Wellm firstly, what happens to the football pyramid? The thing that allows the likes of Highworth or Purton to dream that one day they may get close to the upper echelons of the game.

After all, isn't football designed for dreams? Isn't that why we watch week after week?

What happens when you win the Conference? Do you have to play teams whose players are on six-figure salaries? That's fair isn't it?

Or is your route through the leagues blocked.

At Swindon we've had the likes of Michael Carrick and James Milner on loan. They've had pretty decent careers.

Since the advent of the Premier League England have won nothing. Nowt, zero, zip.

The owners of the top clubs care little for international success, they crave European pots of gold.

Maybe the fault lies at the top of the game - signing young foreign players instead of nurturing British talent.

Look what the Premier League has done to the Scottish team. No route south for their top players, no chance of any success.

Please Mr Dyke, take your plan and think again.

Maybe ask a supporter or two what they think of League Three. From the reaction I've read, not much is the answer.

Football is not all about the 'Greed is Good' league. It's about heart and soul.

Put that in your FA commission report.

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6:15am Sat 10 May 14

Rgbargee says...

Not a fan of this idea at all.
The problem is the Premier League is made up of over paid foreigners who stop the young players getting a game. There should be a salary cap and a maximum number of foreigners in any team. This will immediately solve the problem as clubs will play their home grown players instead. I expect the billionaire owners won't be happy though.
Already we are seeing talented youngsters being loaned out to the likes of us so why bother changing this? At least they play a game or two and we get to see some decent prospects play.
I would prefer that things remain as is.
Not a fan of this idea at all. The problem is the Premier League is made up of over paid foreigners who stop the young players getting a game. There should be a salary cap and a maximum number of foreigners in any team. This will immediately solve the problem as clubs will play their home grown players instead. I expect the billionaire owners won't be happy though. Already we are seeing talented youngsters being loaned out to the likes of us so why bother changing this? At least they play a game or two and we get to see some decent prospects play. I would prefer that things remain as is. Rgbargee
  • Score: 16

7:41am Sat 10 May 14

Rednwhitewalrus699 says...

It's a joke that a panel with people like Gradi, Hoddle etc cant come up with a better idea than a couple of blokes down a pub at the weekend. What have they been doing if their main plan is the B-league?, its not even a new idea!

I say invest in coaches, where's England's Klopp, Guardiola or Mourinho? it says a lot that Hodgson is the national team manager. Clough, Ferguson and currently Martinez are prime examples of what managers can do with an average team, so if we had more exciting English managers then they would be more likely to bring through English kids and England might not have to keep playing boring football at international level.

With respect to the youngsters, why not give them more exposure by televising more youth games, this way they would be less likely to slip through the net and would have a stage to show prem managers what they can do.
It's a joke that a panel with people like Gradi, Hoddle etc cant come up with a better idea than a couple of blokes down a pub at the weekend. What have they been doing if their main plan is the B-league?, its not even a new idea! I say invest in coaches, where's England's Klopp, Guardiola or Mourinho? it says a lot that Hodgson is the national team manager. Clough, Ferguson and currently Martinez are prime examples of what managers can do with an average team, so if we had more exciting English managers then they would be more likely to bring through English kids and England might not have to keep playing boring football at international level. With respect to the youngsters, why not give them more exposure by televising more youth games, this way they would be less likely to slip through the net and would have a stage to show prem managers what they can do. Rednwhitewalrus699
  • Score: 13

7:42am Sat 10 May 14

London Red says...

To be fair it appears it is NOT the Premier League pushing this!
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Yes a few big clubs have said they like the idea - but it doesn't appear I be the Premier Leagues plan (unlike the 39th game)
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Rgbargee is right it's the clubs who need to look at why there is no English talent coming through - you only have to read the BBC gossip column and everyday it is full of clubs targeting some foreign player you have never heard of - yet there is probably just as good if not better option in England who is at least British
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The best way is to stop the academies being flooded with foreign youths, limit the numbers at academies so top clubs don't stock pile but more importantly educate parents to encourage kids to stay at lower league clubs rather than go for a few extra quid early on
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Kevin Davies talks about staying at Chesteefield before moving to Saints, Blackburn and then Bolton while being capped as the catalyst for that
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They should also highlight the plight of the fallen stars who are now not playing (Leigh Mills) or lower than where they started (Ben Tozer) yet were in or about the first team at 17
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If they need games at 18-21 surely the lower leagues are showing that this is where they need to be - that is pretty much the age of our squad!
To be fair it appears it is NOT the Premier League pushing this! . Yes a few big clubs have said they like the idea - but it doesn't appear I be the Premier Leagues plan (unlike the 39th game) . Rgbargee is right it's the clubs who need to look at why there is no English talent coming through - you only have to read the BBC gossip column and everyday it is full of clubs targeting some foreign player you have never heard of - yet there is probably just as good if not better option in England who is at least British . The best way is to stop the academies being flooded with foreign youths, limit the numbers at academies so top clubs don't stock pile but more importantly educate parents to encourage kids to stay at lower league clubs rather than go for a few extra quid early on . Kevin Davies talks about staying at Chesteefield before moving to Saints, Blackburn and then Bolton while being capped as the catalyst for that . They should also highlight the plight of the fallen stars who are now not playing (Leigh Mills) or lower than where they started (Ben Tozer) yet were in or about the first team at 17 . If they need games at 18-21 surely the lower leagues are showing that this is where they need to be - that is pretty much the age of our squad! London Red
  • Score: 10

7:53am Sat 10 May 14

nosyrudeman says...

No way should this be allowed to happen. The FA is a non profit making charity that is supposed to support football from the very bottom ( grass roots ) way up the food chain, but the don't. They invented the Premier League in the early 90's and sod the Football League. England sold their soul to the PL with all of the foreign imports, yes there are some good imports but, also some pretty poor ones as well. You take away the possiblity of young English players breaking into their PL teams in favour of foreign players and even a blind person can see that it will effect the national side. Like Vic said, since it's inception, England have won nowt.

Let's not forget how it was formed by this buffoon Dyke when he was at LWT so they could get the TV rights. Dyke believed that it would be more lucrative for LWT if only the larger clubs in the country were featured on national television and wanted to establish whether the clubs would be interested in a larger share of television rights money.
clubs decided it was a good idea and decided to press ahead with it, however the league would have no credibility without the backing of The Football Association and so David Dein of Arsenal F.C. held talks to see whether the FA were receptive to the idea. The FA did not enjoy an amicable relationship with the Football League at the time and considered it as a way to weaken the Football League's position. ITV offered £205million for the television rights and later increased their offer to £262million but were outbid by Rupert Murdoch who saw it as the make or break opportunity to lure new customers to their loss-making satellite service Sky Television plc who had been advised by Tottenham Hotspur Chairman Alan Sugar. Trevor East of ITV heard Sugar on the telephone speaking to Murdoch at the Royal Lancaster Hotel in London in May 1992 advising an increased bid for the television rights. Sugar is alleged to have told Murdoch to "Blow them out of the water".

Sugar at the time was supplying SKY with Satellite Dishes and was the only Chairperson of a big five club to vote in favour of Sky's bid. He would soon take over Tottenham Hotspur.

The other large clubs were reluctant to accept Sky's bid due to it being a non-terrestrial television service and no pledge from SKY to feature their games more regularly was made.

Following a trial in the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court by Justice Rose, it was held that the formation of the Premier League was not subject to judicial review, The Football Association being governed by private law.

The last few paragraphs were copied from Wiki.
No way Jose.
No way should this be allowed to happen. The FA is a non profit making charity that is supposed to support football from the very bottom ( grass roots ) way up the food chain, but the don't. They invented the Premier League in the early 90's and sod the Football League. England sold their soul to the PL with all of the foreign imports, yes there are some good imports but, also some pretty poor ones as well. You take away the possiblity of young English players breaking into their PL teams in favour of foreign players and even a blind person can see that it will effect the national side. Like Vic said, since it's inception, England have won nowt. Let's not forget how it was formed by this buffoon Dyke when he was at LWT so they could get the TV rights. Dyke believed that it would be more lucrative for LWT if only the larger clubs in the country were featured on national television and wanted to establish whether the clubs would be interested in a larger share of television rights money. clubs decided it was a good idea and decided to press ahead with it, however the league would have no credibility without the backing of The Football Association and so David Dein of Arsenal F.C. held talks to see whether the FA were receptive to the idea. The FA did not enjoy an amicable relationship with the Football League at the time and considered it as a way to weaken the Football League's position. ITV offered £205million for the television rights and later increased their offer to £262million but were outbid by Rupert Murdoch who saw it as the make or break opportunity to lure new customers to their loss-making satellite service Sky Television plc who had been advised by Tottenham Hotspur Chairman Alan Sugar. Trevor East of ITV heard Sugar on the telephone speaking to Murdoch at the Royal Lancaster Hotel in London in May 1992 advising an increased bid for the television rights. Sugar is alleged to have told Murdoch to "Blow them out of the water".[3] Sugar at the time was supplying SKY with Satellite Dishes and was the only Chairperson of a big five club to vote in favour of Sky's bid. He would soon take over Tottenham Hotspur. The other large clubs were reluctant to accept Sky's bid due to it being a non-terrestrial television service and no pledge from SKY to feature their games more regularly was made. Following a trial in the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court by Justice Rose, it was held that the formation of the Premier League was not subject to judicial review, The Football Association being governed by private law. The last few paragraphs were copied from Wiki. No way Jose. nosyrudeman
  • Score: 4

8:01am Sat 10 May 14

swindonBill says...

Greg dyke failed head of BBC. The Hutton report on the good old beeb said his checking of news was defective, leaving him to resign. (HINT)
Is this idea another example of not checking things out before opening his gob,perhaps its another time to fall on the sword,before our football league clubs disappear. Plattini hinted previously it was time to restrict foreign players to all teams in all countries forget eu regulations of fair oppertunities to all members opertunities.GET OUT DYKE
Greg dyke failed head of BBC. The Hutton report on the good old beeb said his checking of news was defective, leaving him to resign. (HINT) Is this idea another example of not checking things out before opening his gob,perhaps its another time to fall on the sword,before our football league clubs disappear. Plattini hinted previously it was time to restrict foreign players to all teams in all countries forget eu regulations of fair oppertunities to all members opertunities.GET OUT DYKE swindonBill
  • Score: 5

8:15am Sat 10 May 14

RainmakerTuru says...

The development of young English and Welsh talent is too important to be left in the hands of foreign owned clubs. What is required is a network of regional academies independent of clubs who may only sign players at age 18 via a system similar to the Draft from US colleges.
The development of young English and Welsh talent is too important to be left in the hands of foreign owned clubs. What is required is a network of regional academies independent of clubs who may only sign players at age 18 via a system similar to the Draft from US colleges. RainmakerTuru
  • Score: 6

8:52am Sat 10 May 14

mustard red says...

Aside from the issue of this being an idea that is unlikely to benefit lower league clubs I have been trying to get my head around the practicalities of it if implemented.

For starters, where would the B teams play their home games? Would it be Old Trafford, Anfield and White Heart Lane?

If it was, how would the Football League work out the fixtures? Would they need to wait for the PL to publish theirs, and then try and fit the B teams home games into free Saturday's and non CL Tuesdays and Wednesday's?

And what about the referees? Would the PL clubs expect the better referees, of which there are not many to officiate over B sides at the expense of lower league sides?

Someone made a really good point on here yesterday, what happens when one of the PL teams starts to struggle and drops down the leagues - what happens to the B side?

I really struggle to see any practical benefits for clubs, and as for benefiting the national side, I am not convinced.

For me the solution lies in :

- improved grass roots funding;
- more coaches and better incentives to coach,
- more community sports centres,
- less emphasis on helping the rich kids who's parents can afford high travelling costs 4 nights a week;
- follow Germany's example, and have one evening a week at sports centres in every town and city in the country dedicated to kids football skills development, with coaches and pro players taking part in the sessions with the kids
- sack Greg Dyke
Aside from the issue of this being an idea that is unlikely to benefit lower league clubs I have been trying to get my head around the practicalities of it if implemented. For starters, where would the B teams play their home games? Would it be Old Trafford, Anfield and White Heart Lane? If it was, how would the Football League work out the fixtures? Would they need to wait for the PL to publish theirs, and then try and fit the B teams home games into free Saturday's and non CL Tuesdays and Wednesday's? And what about the referees? Would the PL clubs expect the better referees, of which there are not many to officiate over B sides at the expense of lower league sides? Someone made a really good point on here yesterday, what happens when one of the PL teams starts to struggle and drops down the leagues - what happens to the B side? I really struggle to see any practical benefits for clubs, and as for benefiting the national side, I am not convinced. For me the solution lies in : - improved grass roots funding; - more coaches and better incentives to coach, - more community sports centres, - less emphasis on helping the rich kids who's parents can afford high travelling costs 4 nights a week; - follow Germany's example, and have one evening a week at sports centres in every town and city in the country dedicated to kids football skills development, with coaches and pro players taking part in the sessions with the kids - sack Greg Dyke mustard red
  • Score: 11

9:01am Sat 10 May 14

Son of gwen says...

If the best young English, Scottish , etc young players are nosy getting in the premier league teams, surely they must be filtering down into the championship ? Which means that league must be of a better standard and we should pick some of the England players from there ???
If the best young English, Scottish , etc young players are nosy getting in the premier league teams, surely they must be filtering down into the championship ? Which means that league must be of a better standard and we should pick some of the England players from there ??? Son of gwen
  • Score: 0

9:48am Sat 10 May 14

Brainy_G93 says...

Like has been said before, if they want a 'reserve team' football league bring back the good old Football Combination.
Like has been said before, if they want a 'reserve team' football league bring back the good old Football Combination. Brainy_G93
  • Score: 9

10:15am Sat 10 May 14

Wilesy says...

It's just one of a number of ideas to improve the England football team so I'm for it if it's deemed to have been successful in the other Euro countries. Have to keep looking forward and try and be progressive, although if say Arsenal flood their L3 team with French youngsters then it would be a disaster.

Clearly the introduction of cheap foreign players into the Prem League is more important to sort out, that should be priority 1 imo to sort out.

As for this article well the argument against of Purton and Highworth somehow having their dreams smashed, or salary differences, well let's just politely say I don't see them as being showstoppers....
It's just one of a number of ideas to improve the England football team so I'm for it if it's deemed to have been successful in the other Euro countries. Have to keep looking forward and try and be progressive, although if say Arsenal flood their L3 team with French youngsters then it would be a disaster. Clearly the introduction of cheap foreign players into the Prem League is more important to sort out, that should be priority 1 imo to sort out. As for this article well the argument against of Purton and Highworth somehow having their dreams smashed, or salary differences, well let's just politely say I don't see them as being showstoppers.... Wilesy
  • Score: -11

10:19am Sat 10 May 14

Wilesy says...

mustard red wrote:
Aside from the issue of this being an idea that is unlikely to benefit lower league clubs I have been trying to get my head around the practicalities of it if implemented.

For starters, where would the B teams play their home games? Would it be Old Trafford, Anfield and White Heart Lane?

If it was, how would the Football League work out the fixtures? Would they need to wait for the PL to publish theirs, and then try and fit the B teams home games into free Saturday's and non CL Tuesdays and Wednesday's?

And what about the referees? Would the PL clubs expect the better referees, of which there are not many to officiate over B sides at the expense of lower league sides?

Someone made a really good point on here yesterday, what happens when one of the PL teams starts to struggle and drops down the leagues - what happens to the B side?

I really struggle to see any practical benefits for clubs, and as for benefiting the national side, I am not convinced.

For me the solution lies in :

- improved grass roots funding;
- more coaches and better incentives to coach,
- more community sports centres,
- less emphasis on helping the rich kids who's parents can afford high travelling costs 4 nights a week;
- follow Germany's example, and have one evening a week at sports centres in every town and city in the country dedicated to kids football skills development, with coaches and pro players taking part in the sessions with the kids
- sack Greg Dyke
Plenty of opportunities around the town for kids to get good training. Check out the STFCITC and Advanced Sports Coaching websites.
[quote][p][bold]mustard red[/bold] wrote: Aside from the issue of this being an idea that is unlikely to benefit lower league clubs I have been trying to get my head around the practicalities of it if implemented. For starters, where would the B teams play their home games? Would it be Old Trafford, Anfield and White Heart Lane? If it was, how would the Football League work out the fixtures? Would they need to wait for the PL to publish theirs, and then try and fit the B teams home games into free Saturday's and non CL Tuesdays and Wednesday's? And what about the referees? Would the PL clubs expect the better referees, of which there are not many to officiate over B sides at the expense of lower league sides? Someone made a really good point on here yesterday, what happens when one of the PL teams starts to struggle and drops down the leagues - what happens to the B side? I really struggle to see any practical benefits for clubs, and as for benefiting the national side, I am not convinced. For me the solution lies in : - improved grass roots funding; - more coaches and better incentives to coach, - more community sports centres, - less emphasis on helping the rich kids who's parents can afford high travelling costs 4 nights a week; - follow Germany's example, and have one evening a week at sports centres in every town and city in the country dedicated to kids football skills development, with coaches and pro players taking part in the sessions with the kids - sack Greg Dyke[/p][/quote]Plenty of opportunities around the town for kids to get good training. Check out the STFCITC and Advanced Sports Coaching websites. Wilesy
  • Score: -1

10:28am Sat 10 May 14

Cleuso says...

Simple way to rid us of this scheme...clubs should just refuse en bloc to play against B teams... they would then have no competition for them at all.

No doubt the FA would then sanction the clubs for not fulfilling a fixture, by fining them heavily and deducting at least 30 points but at least that would be a quicker end to football in anything but the major centres and far less painful than the constant drip drip drip and squeeze going on since the formation of the Premier league when all sense or opportunity of real competition or progress of a local team was thrown on the scrapheap of cash piles, control and inflated salaries of the very few "self appointed elite"

Hardly surprising there are fewer people engaging in the game Nationally as they have lost interest in the shambles the FA and FA Premier league have made and created within the game in the last 20 years, despite all the overblown "glamour" which has masked the real issues which have been intentionally and patently ignored despite being glaringly obvious except to those with a beneficial self interest.
Simple way to rid us of this scheme...clubs should just refuse en bloc to play against B teams... they would then have no competition for them at all. No doubt the FA would then sanction the clubs for not fulfilling a fixture, by fining them heavily and deducting at least 30 points but at least that would be a quicker end to football in anything but the major centres and far less painful than the constant drip drip drip and squeeze going on since the formation of the Premier league when all sense or opportunity of real competition or progress of a local team was thrown on the scrapheap of cash piles, control and inflated salaries of the very few "self appointed elite" Hardly surprising there are fewer people engaging in the game Nationally as they have lost interest in the shambles the FA and FA Premier league have made and created within the game in the last 20 years, despite all the overblown "glamour" which has masked the real issues which have been intentionally and patently ignored despite being glaringly obvious except to those with a beneficial self interest. Cleuso
  • Score: 2

11:00am Sat 10 May 14

mickry says...

This is a typically selfish F.A./Premier League idea. The likes of Bristol Rovers and Wrexham must be worried sick that this artificial barrier between the Conference and the League might be brought in and they will be cast adrift. The problem for the England team has little to do with the lack of a 'B' league. Twenty or so years ago the F.A. declared that no English children under a certain age ( I think it was 12) would be training and playing with full sized footballs. Yet you can still see tiny tots doing just that. The fact that they are still doing this under adult supervision is an indication of our critical need for more properly qualified coaches at grass roots level.
The question of how many English qualified players are playing in the top league is, I think, a red herring.
For cultural reasons, I would love to see more English players in the top league.
However, if you think back to the sixties, seventies and eighties, there were far more English players in the first division, but how many of them had any real hope of playing international football? About the same as are available to England from the premier league now. Of course, amongst those who couldn't get regularly picked were the flair players needed at international level (Rogers, Hudson, Curry, Hoddle. The list is long.).
It will be interesting to see who gets the nod from 'Woy' this summer. The young and gifted or the old and stale.
To reiterate; the 'B' league, in this form, is an awful idea. which will make no difference to the success of England.

Mick Ryan.
This is a typically selfish F.A./Premier League idea. The likes of Bristol Rovers and Wrexham must be worried sick that this artificial barrier between the Conference and the League might be brought in and they will be cast adrift. The problem for the England team has little to do with the lack of a 'B' league. Twenty or so years ago the F.A. declared that no English children under a certain age ( I think it was 12) would be training and playing with full sized footballs. Yet you can still see tiny tots doing just that. The fact that they are still doing this under adult supervision is an indication of our critical need for more properly qualified coaches at grass roots level. The question of how many English qualified players are playing in the top league is, I think, a red herring. For cultural reasons, I would love to see more English players in the top league. However, if you think back to the sixties, seventies and eighties, there were far more English players in the first division, but how many of them had any real hope of playing international football? About the same as are available to England from the premier league now. Of course, amongst those who couldn't get regularly picked were the flair players needed at international level (Rogers, Hudson, Curry, Hoddle. The list is long.). It will be interesting to see who gets the nod from 'Woy' this summer. The young and gifted or the old and stale. To reiterate; the 'B' league, in this form, is an awful idea. which will make no difference to the success of England. Mick Ryan. mickry
  • Score: 5

11:50am Sat 10 May 14

Chish and Fips says...

Brainy_G93 wrote:
Like has been said before, if they want a 'reserve team' football league bring back the good old Football Combination.
I used to enjoy going out and watching the 'stiffs' in the good ol days :O)
This was in the days of Bill Atkins and co.., he scored a load of goals for the reserves, they put him the first team as a trial and he couldn't hit a barn door.
But overall the standard was good, and at least it gave the opportunity for youngsters and budding first team players to go on show in a competition match/league.
[quote][p][bold]Brainy_G93[/bold] wrote: Like has been said before, if they want a 'reserve team' football league bring back the good old Football Combination.[/p][/quote]I used to enjoy going out and watching the 'stiffs' in the good ol days :O) This was in the days of Bill Atkins and co.., he scored a load of goals for the reserves, they put him the first team as a trial and he couldn't hit a barn door. But overall the standard was good, and at least it gave the opportunity for youngsters and budding first team players to go on show in a competition match/league. Chish and Fips
  • Score: 5

12:18pm Sat 10 May 14

mancrobin says...

Looking forward to it.

"A,B,A,B,A,B O,
Up the football league we go,
When we get promotion,
This is what we'll sing,
Were the B team, yes the B team,
And the s@ds won't let us in!"
Looking forward to it. "A,B,A,B,A,B O, Up the football league we go, When we get promotion, This is what we'll sing, Were the B team, yes the B team, And the s@ds won't let us in!" mancrobin
  • Score: 1

12:24pm Sat 10 May 14

Oi Den! says...

I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?
I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is? Oi Den!
  • Score: -15

12:33pm Sat 10 May 14

Reading_Robin says...

Wilesy wrote:
mustard red wrote:
Aside from the issue of this being an idea that is unlikely to benefit lower league clubs I have been trying to get my head around the practicalities of it if implemented.

For starters, where would the B teams play their home games? Would it be Old Trafford, Anfield and White Heart Lane?

If it was, how would the Football League work out the fixtures? Would they need to wait for the PL to publish theirs, and then try and fit the B teams home games into free Saturday's and non CL Tuesdays and Wednesday's?

And what about the referees? Would the PL clubs expect the better referees, of which there are not many to officiate over B sides at the expense of lower league sides?

Someone made a really good point on here yesterday, what happens when one of the PL teams starts to struggle and drops down the leagues - what happens to the B side?

I really struggle to see any practical benefits for clubs, and as for benefiting the national side, I am not convinced.

For me the solution lies in :

- improved grass roots funding;
- more coaches and better incentives to coach,
- more community sports centres,
- less emphasis on helping the rich kids who's parents can afford high travelling costs 4 nights a week;
- follow Germany's example, and have one evening a week at sports centres in every town and city in the country dedicated to kids football skills development, with coaches and pro players taking part in the sessions with the kids
- sack Greg Dyke
Plenty of opportunities around the town for kids to get good training. Check out the STFCITC and Advanced Sports Coaching websites.
Ok, so I coach youth goalies for a local team and am involved with running our U12 team as well. I've got a few observations on grass-roots football at the moment.

1st - Fortunately, this year, my club will be sending me on my FA Level 1 coaching courses, both the generic course & goalie specific course. These courses both seem reasonably priced as an entry into coaching at about £220 for both courses, which the club is paying for. However, the cost of Level 2 courses raise to £300 each, and subsequent courses increase in price exponentially. This means that the cost of obtaining FA coaching badges which might one day allow me to work for a football league club (not that I have any interest in that) would be several thousands of pounds - this is fine if you are sponsored as a coach by a club, but tough to shoulder if you're paying for it yourself.

2nd - The FA are introducing stricter rules about kids playing in age groups older than they are - this means that if you have a gifted 9 year old, and you want them to play at U12 for a tougher challenge (we have a couple who's development would benefit greatly from this challenge) you're prevented from doing that

3rd - We invited a youth scout from our local Championship team to come and have a look at one of our players before it was too late. They guy came to the U12 match and asked "which one is the 10 year old?". When we explained that the kid was playing an an age group appropriate to their age, as per the restrictions mentioned above, the scout made it clear that he was only interested in players playing above their age group.

4th - A major issue for me - we have a number of our goalies who go on the local Championship club's summer academy. Last year the cost of the course was £250 per kid, on top of which they are expected to buy this season's training gear at about £100. That would be fine except, I spent all last year drilling one of our goalies on readying themselves in the set position, getting their body behind the ball, catching in the "W" position, taking low balls in the "K" position, etc, etc (usual keeper fundamentals). He came back from the academy and he'd lost almost all of what I spent a whole winter teaching him - he was diving all over the place for balls which could be taken from more stable positions, he was parrying the ball instead of getting hands on, he was catching into the body rather than in front with the body as backup, AND he was complaining that the academy coaches weren't as hard on him as I was being! What are they doing on this academy if not reinforcing the fundamentals of the position these kids are playing in?? Makes me wonder whether this particular academy is seen more as a revenue generating exercise rather than a true investment in youth development. I hope that this is just a problem with this particular club, and not across the Football League!

My club prides itself on our coaching levels all the way from U7 to mens football, and we have a few recent guys who have gone on to play semi-professional, but the routes into the upper echelons of the game seem clouded at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mustard red[/bold] wrote: Aside from the issue of this being an idea that is unlikely to benefit lower league clubs I have been trying to get my head around the practicalities of it if implemented. For starters, where would the B teams play their home games? Would it be Old Trafford, Anfield and White Heart Lane? If it was, how would the Football League work out the fixtures? Would they need to wait for the PL to publish theirs, and then try and fit the B teams home games into free Saturday's and non CL Tuesdays and Wednesday's? And what about the referees? Would the PL clubs expect the better referees, of which there are not many to officiate over B sides at the expense of lower league sides? Someone made a really good point on here yesterday, what happens when one of the PL teams starts to struggle and drops down the leagues - what happens to the B side? I really struggle to see any practical benefits for clubs, and as for benefiting the national side, I am not convinced. For me the solution lies in : - improved grass roots funding; - more coaches and better incentives to coach, - more community sports centres, - less emphasis on helping the rich kids who's parents can afford high travelling costs 4 nights a week; - follow Germany's example, and have one evening a week at sports centres in every town and city in the country dedicated to kids football skills development, with coaches and pro players taking part in the sessions with the kids - sack Greg Dyke[/p][/quote]Plenty of opportunities around the town for kids to get good training. Check out the STFCITC and Advanced Sports Coaching websites.[/p][/quote]Ok, so I coach youth goalies for a local team and am involved with running our U12 team as well. I've got a few observations on grass-roots football at the moment. 1st - Fortunately, this year, my club will be sending me on my FA Level 1 coaching courses, both the generic course & goalie specific course. These courses both seem reasonably priced as an entry into coaching at about £220 for both courses, which the club is paying for. However, the cost of Level 2 courses raise to £300 each, and subsequent courses increase in price exponentially. This means that the cost of obtaining FA coaching badges which might one day allow me to work for a football league club (not that I have any interest in that) would be several thousands of pounds - this is fine if you are sponsored as a coach by a club, but tough to shoulder if you're paying for it yourself. 2nd - The FA are introducing stricter rules about kids playing in age groups older than they are - this means that if you have a gifted 9 year old, and you want them to play at U12 for a tougher challenge (we have a couple who's development would benefit greatly from this challenge) you're prevented from doing that 3rd - We invited a youth scout from our local Championship team to come and have a look at one of our players before it was too late. They guy came to the U12 match and asked "which one is the 10 year old?". When we explained that the kid was playing an an age group appropriate to their age, as per the restrictions mentioned above, the scout made it clear that he was only interested in players playing above their age group. 4th - A major issue for me - we have a number of our goalies who go on the local Championship club's summer academy. Last year the cost of the course was £250 per kid, on top of which they are expected to buy this season's training gear at about £100. That would be fine except, I spent all last year drilling one of our goalies on readying themselves in the set position, getting their body behind the ball, catching in the "W" position, taking low balls in the "K" position, etc, etc (usual keeper fundamentals). He came back from the academy and he'd lost almost all of what I spent a whole winter teaching him - he was diving all over the place for balls which could be taken from more stable positions, he was parrying the ball instead of getting hands on, he was catching into the body rather than in front with the body as backup, AND he was complaining that the academy coaches weren't as hard on him as I was being! What are they doing on this academy if not reinforcing the fundamentals of the position these kids are playing in?? Makes me wonder whether this particular academy is seen more as a revenue generating exercise rather than a true investment in youth development. I hope that this is just a problem with this particular club, and not across the Football League! My club prides itself on our coaching levels all the way from U7 to mens football, and we have a few recent guys who have gone on to play semi-professional, but the routes into the upper echelons of the game seem clouded at the moment. Reading_Robin
  • Score: 8

1:21pm Sat 10 May 14

smirg kcab says...

Look on the bright side those animals down the m4 won't get back in the f/l
Good night Irene. Good night Irene ill see you in my dreams.
Look on the bright side those animals down the m4 won't get back in the f/l Good night Irene. Good night Irene ill see you in my dreams. smirg kcab
  • Score: 1

1:40pm Sat 10 May 14

Wilesy says...

Reading_Robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
mustard red wrote:
Aside from the issue of this being an idea that is unlikely to benefit lower league clubs I have been trying to get my head around the practicalities of it if implemented.

For starters, where would the B teams play their home games? Would it be Old Trafford, Anfield and White Heart Lane?

If it was, how would the Football League work out the fixtures? Would they need to wait for the PL to publish theirs, and then try and fit the B teams home games into free Saturday's and non CL Tuesdays and Wednesday's?

And what about the referees? Would the PL clubs expect the better referees, of which there are not many to officiate over B sides at the expense of lower league sides?

Someone made a really good point on here yesterday, what happens when one of the PL teams starts to struggle and drops down the leagues - what happens to the B side?

I really struggle to see any practical benefits for clubs, and as for benefiting the national side, I am not convinced.

For me the solution lies in :

- improved grass roots funding;
- more coaches and better incentives to coach,
- more community sports centres,
- less emphasis on helping the rich kids who's parents can afford high travelling costs 4 nights a week;
- follow Germany's example, and have one evening a week at sports centres in every town and city in the country dedicated to kids football skills development, with coaches and pro players taking part in the sessions with the kids
- sack Greg Dyke
Plenty of opportunities around the town for kids to get good training. Check out the STFCITC and Advanced Sports Coaching websites.
Ok, so I coach youth goalies for a local team and am involved with running our U12 team as well. I've got a few observations on grass-roots football at the moment.

1st - Fortunately, this year, my club will be sending me on my FA Level 1 coaching courses, both the generic course & goalie specific course. These courses both seem reasonably priced as an entry into coaching at about £220 for both courses, which the club is paying for. However, the cost of Level 2 courses raise to £300 each, and subsequent courses increase in price exponentially. This means that the cost of obtaining FA coaching badges which might one day allow me to work for a football league club (not that I have any interest in that) would be several thousands of pounds - this is fine if you are sponsored as a coach by a club, but tough to shoulder if you're paying for it yourself.

2nd - The FA are introducing stricter rules about kids playing in age groups older than they are - this means that if you have a gifted 9 year old, and you want them to play at U12 for a tougher challenge (we have a couple who's development would benefit greatly from this challenge) you're prevented from doing that

3rd - We invited a youth scout from our local Championship team to come and have a look at one of our players before it was too late. They guy came to the U12 match and asked "which one is the 10 year old?". When we explained that the kid was playing an an age group appropriate to their age, as per the restrictions mentioned above, the scout made it clear that he was only interested in players playing above their age group.

4th - A major issue for me - we have a number of our goalies who go on the local Championship club's summer academy. Last year the cost of the course was £250 per kid, on top of which they are expected to buy this season's training gear at about £100. That would be fine except, I spent all last year drilling one of our goalies on readying themselves in the set position, getting their body behind the ball, catching in the "W" position, taking low balls in the "K" position, etc, etc (usual keeper fundamentals). He came back from the academy and he'd lost almost all of what I spent a whole winter teaching him - he was diving all over the place for balls which could be taken from more stable positions, he was parrying the ball instead of getting hands on, he was catching into the body rather than in front with the body as backup, AND he was complaining that the academy coaches weren't as hard on him as I was being! What are they doing on this academy if not reinforcing the fundamentals of the position these kids are playing in?? Makes me wonder whether this particular academy is seen more as a revenue generating exercise rather than a true investment in youth development. I hope that this is just a problem with this particular club, and not across the Football League!

My club prides itself on our coaching levels all the way from U7 to mens football, and we have a few recent guys who have gone on to play semi-professional, but the routes into the upper echelons of the game seem clouded at the moment.
Interesting post RR

1st - Agree its too expensive

2nd - Think there might have been a rule introduced just in the last week or so that allows kids to play up an age group

3rd - I think the scouts are looking for 'bigger kids' but daft comment to admit that from the scout

4th - Yes there is an argument that its just a money making exercise but from what I've seen the kids get excellent training at the academies I've seen

I hear what you are saying but I do think that ultimately if they are good enough, the majority will get spotted.

The L3 argument may not be best for lower league clubs, but is it better for the young English players.....possibly
[quote][p][bold]Reading_Robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mustard red[/bold] wrote: Aside from the issue of this being an idea that is unlikely to benefit lower league clubs I have been trying to get my head around the practicalities of it if implemented. For starters, where would the B teams play their home games? Would it be Old Trafford, Anfield and White Heart Lane? If it was, how would the Football League work out the fixtures? Would they need to wait for the PL to publish theirs, and then try and fit the B teams home games into free Saturday's and non CL Tuesdays and Wednesday's? And what about the referees? Would the PL clubs expect the better referees, of which there are not many to officiate over B sides at the expense of lower league sides? Someone made a really good point on here yesterday, what happens when one of the PL teams starts to struggle and drops down the leagues - what happens to the B side? I really struggle to see any practical benefits for clubs, and as for benefiting the national side, I am not convinced. For me the solution lies in : - improved grass roots funding; - more coaches and better incentives to coach, - more community sports centres, - less emphasis on helping the rich kids who's parents can afford high travelling costs 4 nights a week; - follow Germany's example, and have one evening a week at sports centres in every town and city in the country dedicated to kids football skills development, with coaches and pro players taking part in the sessions with the kids - sack Greg Dyke[/p][/quote]Plenty of opportunities around the town for kids to get good training. Check out the STFCITC and Advanced Sports Coaching websites.[/p][/quote]Ok, so I coach youth goalies for a local team and am involved with running our U12 team as well. I've got a few observations on grass-roots football at the moment. 1st - Fortunately, this year, my club will be sending me on my FA Level 1 coaching courses, both the generic course & goalie specific course. These courses both seem reasonably priced as an entry into coaching at about £220 for both courses, which the club is paying for. However, the cost of Level 2 courses raise to £300 each, and subsequent courses increase in price exponentially. This means that the cost of obtaining FA coaching badges which might one day allow me to work for a football league club (not that I have any interest in that) would be several thousands of pounds - this is fine if you are sponsored as a coach by a club, but tough to shoulder if you're paying for it yourself. 2nd - The FA are introducing stricter rules about kids playing in age groups older than they are - this means that if you have a gifted 9 year old, and you want them to play at U12 for a tougher challenge (we have a couple who's development would benefit greatly from this challenge) you're prevented from doing that 3rd - We invited a youth scout from our local Championship team to come and have a look at one of our players before it was too late. They guy came to the U12 match and asked "which one is the 10 year old?". When we explained that the kid was playing an an age group appropriate to their age, as per the restrictions mentioned above, the scout made it clear that he was only interested in players playing above their age group. 4th - A major issue for me - we have a number of our goalies who go on the local Championship club's summer academy. Last year the cost of the course was £250 per kid, on top of which they are expected to buy this season's training gear at about £100. That would be fine except, I spent all last year drilling one of our goalies on readying themselves in the set position, getting their body behind the ball, catching in the "W" position, taking low balls in the "K" position, etc, etc (usual keeper fundamentals). He came back from the academy and he'd lost almost all of what I spent a whole winter teaching him - he was diving all over the place for balls which could be taken from more stable positions, he was parrying the ball instead of getting hands on, he was catching into the body rather than in front with the body as backup, AND he was complaining that the academy coaches weren't as hard on him as I was being! What are they doing on this academy if not reinforcing the fundamentals of the position these kids are playing in?? Makes me wonder whether this particular academy is seen more as a revenue generating exercise rather than a true investment in youth development. I hope that this is just a problem with this particular club, and not across the Football League! My club prides itself on our coaching levels all the way from U7 to mens football, and we have a few recent guys who have gone on to play semi-professional, but the routes into the upper echelons of the game seem clouded at the moment.[/p][/quote]Interesting post RR 1st - Agree its too expensive 2nd - Think there might have been a rule introduced just in the last week or so that allows kids to play up an age group 3rd - I think the scouts are looking for 'bigger kids' but daft comment to admit that from the scout 4th - Yes there is an argument that its just a money making exercise but from what I've seen the kids get excellent training at the academies I've seen I hear what you are saying but I do think that ultimately if they are good enough, the majority will get spotted. The L3 argument may not be best for lower league clubs, but is it better for the young English players.....possibly Wilesy
  • Score: 0

1:48pm Sat 10 May 14

lifelong red says...

With the World Cup only weeks away, how ironic it is to now be having an inquest on how to get he England team sorted out , it usually happens after the main event . I can just picture the scene... people sitting in front the " box " , waving their St George flags , shouting " common England " only for a few hours later to be sat , grief stricken , their little flags hanging limper than a super stud on bad day ,whilst their " heroes" sit crying crocodile tears on the pitch .Just what have we achieved since 66 , apart from Bobby Robsons team of 1990... zilch . it doesn't matter what they do with system.. they can stand it up- sit it down - turn it inside out - do the okey cokey - even do a Ahmen Corner - " Bend me - shake me - any way you want me , it would"nt make any difference . Dyke says he aims to get a team good enough to win the world cup in Qatar in 2022 ... What in that heat ... he"s having a bubble . Its also been suggested , we need more coaches - Barnse"s coaches more like - could do with a couple to park in front the goal- would be the only way we"d stop the other team scoring . Look... if their really serious about improving the England why not- as said above , and as I indicated yesterday- why not cut down on the number of foreign players in the prem thiers just to many - no wonder the English boys can"t get a lookin - remember " Spot the ball" , maybe they should run competition on " spot the English player "
With the World Cup only weeks away, how ironic it is to now be having an inquest on how to get he England team sorted out , it usually happens after the main event . I can just picture the scene... people sitting in front the " box " , waving their St George flags , shouting " common England " only for a few hours later to be sat , grief stricken , their little flags hanging limper than a super stud on bad day ,whilst their " heroes" sit crying crocodile tears on the pitch .Just what have we achieved since 66 , apart from Bobby Robsons team of 1990... zilch . it doesn't matter what they do with system.. they can stand it up- sit it down - turn it inside out - do the okey cokey - even do a Ahmen Corner - " Bend me - shake me - any way you want me , it would"nt make any difference . Dyke says he aims to get a team good enough to win the world cup in Qatar in 2022 ... What in that heat ... he"s having a bubble . Its also been suggested , we need more coaches - Barnse"s coaches more like - could do with a couple to park in front the goal- would be the only way we"d stop the other team scoring . Look... if their really serious about improving the England why not- as said above , and as I indicated yesterday- why not cut down on the number of foreign players in the prem thiers just to many - no wonder the English boys can"t get a lookin - remember " Spot the ball" , maybe they should run competition on " spot the English player " lifelong red
  • Score: 3

1:53pm Sat 10 May 14

Wilesy says...

mickry wrote:
This is a typically selfish F.A./Premier League idea. The likes of Bristol Rovers and Wrexham must be worried sick that this artificial barrier between the Conference and the League might be brought in and they will be cast adrift. The problem for the England team has little to do with the lack of a 'B' league. Twenty or so years ago the F.A. declared that no English children under a certain age ( I think it was 12) would be training and playing with full sized footballs. Yet you can still see tiny tots doing just that. The fact that they are still doing this under adult supervision is an indication of our critical need for more properly qualified coaches at grass roots level.
The question of how many English qualified players are playing in the top league is, I think, a red herring.
For cultural reasons, I would love to see more English players in the top league.
However, if you think back to the sixties, seventies and eighties, there were far more English players in the first division, but how many of them had any real hope of playing international football? About the same as are available to England from the premier league now. Of course, amongst those who couldn't get regularly picked were the flair players needed at international level (Rogers, Hudson, Curry, Hoddle. The list is long.).
It will be interesting to see who gets the nod from 'Woy' this summer. The young and gifted or the old and stale.
To reiterate; the 'B' league, in this form, is an awful idea. which will make no difference to the success of England.

Mick Ryan.
I've never seen official kids teams playing with full size balls so don't agree that's an issue at all.

Yes there were more English players in the top division in years gone by, and agree there is no guarantee that quantity means quality, but in years gone by the standard of foreigner was much better, whereas now they are bang average. So you may as well have more English players playing, you're bound to get a few grab the opportunity and reach the top.
[quote][p][bold]mickry[/bold] wrote: This is a typically selfish F.A./Premier League idea. The likes of Bristol Rovers and Wrexham must be worried sick that this artificial barrier between the Conference and the League might be brought in and they will be cast adrift. The problem for the England team has little to do with the lack of a 'B' league. Twenty or so years ago the F.A. declared that no English children under a certain age ( I think it was 12) would be training and playing with full sized footballs. Yet you can still see tiny tots doing just that. The fact that they are still doing this under adult supervision is an indication of our critical need for more properly qualified coaches at grass roots level. The question of how many English qualified players are playing in the top league is, I think, a red herring. For cultural reasons, I would love to see more English players in the top league. However, if you think back to the sixties, seventies and eighties, there were far more English players in the first division, but how many of them had any real hope of playing international football? About the same as are available to England from the premier league now. Of course, amongst those who couldn't get regularly picked were the flair players needed at international level (Rogers, Hudson, Curry, Hoddle. The list is long.). It will be interesting to see who gets the nod from 'Woy' this summer. The young and gifted or the old and stale. To reiterate; the 'B' league, in this form, is an awful idea. which will make no difference to the success of England. Mick Ryan.[/p][/quote]I've never seen official kids teams playing with full size balls so don't agree that's an issue at all. Yes there were more English players in the top division in years gone by, and agree there is no guarantee that quantity means quality, but in years gone by the standard of foreigner was much better, whereas now they are bang average. So you may as well have more English players playing, you're bound to get a few grab the opportunity and reach the top. Wilesy
  • Score: 0

2:01pm Sat 10 May 14

Wilesy says...

English under-21s made up 2.28% of the total minutes played in 2012-13 with Manchester City, Chelsea, Swansea, Stoke and Wigan failing to field an English player under 21 all season.

Surely getting more of them playing, in a competitive league, in the style of their home club, has to be better than the current system? Or at least not worth dismissing without knowing the full picture.
English under-21s made up 2.28% of the total minutes played in 2012-13 with Manchester City, Chelsea, Swansea, Stoke and Wigan failing to field an English player under 21 all season. Surely getting more of them playing, in a competitive league, in the style of their home club, has to be better than the current system? Or at least not worth dismissing without knowing the full picture. Wilesy
  • Score: 2

2:26pm Sat 10 May 14

MITTED says...

and if we have such a glut of young foreigners blocking the way for young English players, what is to stop young English players going abroad? The world does not stop at Dover!

Boycott Sky TV and the Greed League will soon implode, and their greedy money grabbing poseurs , both English and foreign will soon bugger off elsewhere. Good riddance.
and if we have such a glut of young foreigners blocking the way for young English players, what is to stop young English players going abroad? The world does not stop at Dover! Boycott Sky TV and the Greed League will soon implode, and their greedy money grabbing poseurs , both English and foreign will soon bugger off elsewhere. Good riddance. MITTED
  • Score: 0

5:09pm Sat 10 May 14

smirg kcab says...

MITTED wrote:
and if we have such a glut of young foreigners blocking the way for young English players, what is to stop young English players going abroad? The world does not stop at Dover!

Boycott Sky TV and the Greed League will soon implode, and their greedy money grabbing poseurs , both English and foreign will soon bugger off elsewhere. Good riddance.
Boycott sky why?
I think you need to worry more about the running of our club rather than any suggestion made by certain people.
I think more people will boycott stfc rather than sky the way this joke of a club is being run at present.
The next skybox office meeting between power v mcory may end up with power chucking the towell in before the bell rings.
With administration on the cards
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: and if we have such a glut of young foreigners blocking the way for young English players, what is to stop young English players going abroad? The world does not stop at Dover! Boycott Sky TV and the Greed League will soon implode, and their greedy money grabbing poseurs , both English and foreign will soon bugger off elsewhere. Good riddance.[/p][/quote]Boycott sky why? I think you need to worry more about the running of our club rather than any suggestion made by certain people. I think more people will boycott stfc rather than sky the way this joke of a club is being run at present. The next skybox office meeting between power v mcory may end up with power chucking the towell in before the bell rings. With administration on the cards smirg kcab
  • Score: -4

5:26pm Sat 10 May 14

Oi Den! says...

Oi Den! wrote:
I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?
I'm well into the minuses on this one, just for asking a question that nobody seems interested in answering - despite their obvious disapproval of Dyke. What about some constructive suggestions for his replacement if he's that bad?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?[/p][/quote]I'm well into the minuses on this one, just for asking a question that nobody seems interested in answering - despite their obvious disapproval of Dyke. What about some constructive suggestions for his replacement if he's that bad? Oi Den!
  • Score: -4

5:43pm Sat 10 May 14

lifelong red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?
I'm well into the minuses on this one, just for asking a question that nobody seems interested in answering - despite their obvious disapproval of Dyke. What about some constructive suggestions for his replacement if he's that bad?
How about London Red- he seems to be the walking, talking encylopedia of football. ( o )
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?[/p][/quote]I'm well into the minuses on this one, just for asking a question that nobody seems interested in answering - despite their obvious disapproval of Dyke. What about some constructive suggestions for his replacement if he's that bad?[/p][/quote]How about London Red- he seems to be the walking, talking encylopedia of football. ( o ) lifelong red
  • Score: 0

6:24pm Sat 10 May 14

smirg kcab says...

Preston best goal of the season
He shops at jacamo he shops at jacamo
Preston best goal of the season He shops at jacamo he shops at jacamo smirg kcab
  • Score: -1

6:43pm Sat 10 May 14

lifelong red says...

Wilesy wrote:
mickry wrote:
This is a typically selfish F.A./Premier League idea. The likes of Bristol Rovers and Wrexham must be worried sick that this artificial barrier between the Conference and the League might be brought in and they will be cast adrift. The problem for the England team has little to do with the lack of a 'B' league. Twenty or so years ago the F.A. declared that no English children under a certain age ( I think it was 12) would be training and playing with full sized footballs. Yet you can still see tiny tots doing just that. The fact that they are still doing this under adult supervision is an indication of our critical need for more properly qualified coaches at grass roots level.
The question of how many English qualified players are playing in the top league is, I think, a red herring.
For cultural reasons, I would love to see more English players in the top league.
However, if you think back to the sixties, seventies and eighties, there were far more English players in the first division, but how many of them had any real hope of playing international football? About the same as are available to England from the premier league now. Of course, amongst those who couldn't get regularly picked were the flair players needed at international level (Rogers, Hudson, Curry, Hoddle. The list is long.).
It will be interesting to see who gets the nod from 'Woy' this summer. The young and gifted or the old and stale.
To reiterate; the 'B' league, in this form, is an awful idea. which will make no difference to the success of England.

Mick Ryan.
I've never seen official kids teams playing with full size balls so don't agree that's an issue at all.

Yes there were more English players in the top division in years gone by, and agree there is no guarantee that quantity means quality, but in years gone by the standard of foreigner was much better, whereas now they are bang average. So you may as well have more English players playing, you're bound to get a few grab the opportunity and reach the top.
" I've never seen official kids teams playing with full size balls " , would you care to re- phrase that . ( 0 )
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickry[/bold] wrote: This is a typically selfish F.A./Premier League idea. The likes of Bristol Rovers and Wrexham must be worried sick that this artificial barrier between the Conference and the League might be brought in and they will be cast adrift. The problem for the England team has little to do with the lack of a 'B' league. Twenty or so years ago the F.A. declared that no English children under a certain age ( I think it was 12) would be training and playing with full sized footballs. Yet you can still see tiny tots doing just that. The fact that they are still doing this under adult supervision is an indication of our critical need for more properly qualified coaches at grass roots level. The question of how many English qualified players are playing in the top league is, I think, a red herring. For cultural reasons, I would love to see more English players in the top league. However, if you think back to the sixties, seventies and eighties, there were far more English players in the first division, but how many of them had any real hope of playing international football? About the same as are available to England from the premier league now. Of course, amongst those who couldn't get regularly picked were the flair players needed at international level (Rogers, Hudson, Curry, Hoddle. The list is long.). It will be interesting to see who gets the nod from 'Woy' this summer. The young and gifted or the old and stale. To reiterate; the 'B' league, in this form, is an awful idea. which will make no difference to the success of England. Mick Ryan.[/p][/quote]I've never seen official kids teams playing with full size balls so don't agree that's an issue at all. Yes there were more English players in the top division in years gone by, and agree there is no guarantee that quantity means quality, but in years gone by the standard of foreigner was much better, whereas now they are bang average. So you may as well have more English players playing, you're bound to get a few grab the opportunity and reach the top.[/p][/quote]" I've never seen official kids teams playing with full size balls " , would you care to re- phrase that . ( 0 ) lifelong red
  • Score: 0

7:54pm Sat 10 May 14

Cleuso says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?
I'm well into the minuses on this one, just for asking a question that nobody seems interested in answering - despite their obvious disapproval of Dyke. What about some constructive suggestions for his replacement if he's that bad?
Try this for starters..Dyke has jointly supported Manchester United and Brentford F.C. all his life and serving on the board of both. Under Dyke's chairmanship Brentford F.C. experienced their worst performance since the 1970s, Was also involved in negotiations around the football rights on both the buying and selling side whilst at the BBC ( as well as losing the battle to retain football on BBC ) . Put him in an invidious position and was effectively forced to resign his Man U directorship to avoid conflict. Self promoting money man if you read the rest of his career path . He has a history of resigning from positions ...next one will hopefully be from the FA once his present plan is cast to the waste paper basket.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?[/p][/quote]I'm well into the minuses on this one, just for asking a question that nobody seems interested in answering - despite their obvious disapproval of Dyke. What about some constructive suggestions for his replacement if he's that bad?[/p][/quote]Try this for starters..Dyke has jointly supported Manchester United and Brentford F.C. all his life and serving on the board of both. Under Dyke's chairmanship Brentford F.C. experienced their worst performance since the 1970s, Was also involved in negotiations around the football rights on both the buying and selling side whilst at the BBC ( as well as losing the battle to retain football on BBC ) . Put him in an invidious position and was effectively forced to resign his Man U directorship to avoid conflict. Self promoting money man if you read the rest of his career path . He has a history of resigning from positions ...next one will hopefully be from the FA once his present plan is cast to the waste paper basket. Cleuso
  • Score: 5

8:41pm Sat 10 May 14

Davidsyrett says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?
I'm well into the minuses on this one, just for asking a question that nobody seems interested in answering - despite their obvious disapproval of Dyke. What about some constructive suggestions for his replacement if he's that bad?
For once Den, me and you seem to agree. Not many people seem to know the full details of this proposal. A lot of fans just don't want change, at least Dyke is looking to try improve the English game, at least give him credit for that.

There is no chance of the premier league teams agreeing to have more English players in their teams unless they are proven. With a bit of tweeking I think this could work. Why wouldn't crowds turn out to see B teams play, they would attract far bigger crowds than the conference does now. Non league players would surely improve if they played against a class of player. The standard of football in the lower leagues at the moment (in general) is pretty poor.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?[/p][/quote]I'm well into the minuses on this one, just for asking a question that nobody seems interested in answering - despite their obvious disapproval of Dyke. What about some constructive suggestions for his replacement if he's that bad?[/p][/quote]For once Den, me and you seem to agree. Not many people seem to know the full details of this proposal. A lot of fans just don't want change, at least Dyke is looking to try improve the English game, at least give him credit for that. There is no chance of the premier league teams agreeing to have more English players in their teams unless they are proven. With a bit of tweeking I think this could work. Why wouldn't crowds turn out to see B teams play, they would attract far bigger crowds than the conference does now. Non league players would surely improve if they played against a class of player. The standard of football in the lower leagues at the moment (in general) is pretty poor. Davidsyrett
  • Score: -3

9:56pm Sat 10 May 14

old town robin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?
Den,

Have a read of nosyrudeman's post, Dyke was there at the start creating the monster that is now called the Premier league, the fact he is now lauding a solution to a major problem that he was partly responsible, is a joke, he should of been thinking about the consequences of the effect on smaller clubs 20 years ago instead of lining the pockets of Murdoch, Sugar and all of the rest of the greedy bastards sitting on top of the pile.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?[/p][/quote]Den, Have a read of nosyrudeman's post, Dyke was there at the start creating the monster that is now called the Premier league, the fact he is now lauding a solution to a major problem that he was partly responsible, is a joke, he should of been thinking about the consequences of the effect on smaller clubs 20 years ago instead of lining the pockets of Murdoch, Sugar and all of the rest of the greedy bastards sitting on top of the pile. old town robin
  • Score: 2

10:38pm Sat 10 May 14

Davidsyrett says...

old town robin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?
Den,

Have a read of nosyrudeman's post, Dyke was there at the start creating the monster that is now called the Premier league, the fact he is now lauding a solution to a major problem that he was partly responsible, is a joke, he should of been thinking about the consequences of the effect on smaller clubs 20 years ago instead of lining the pockets of Murdoch, Sugar and all of the rest of the greedy bastards sitting on top of the pile.
problem is Old Town the damage is already done and irreversible. Many would think Dyke did a good job with the premiership even though it was at the expense of the lower leagues. Now it's time to revamp the lower divisions otherwise more & more clubs will go bust with dwindling attendances and lack of local interest, this could be the shot in the arm it requires, it may start to bridge the gap between divisions. Revenue from Sky will no doubt increase as they will want to show the B teams. If done right this just might work.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?[/p][/quote]Den, Have a read of nosyrudeman's post, Dyke was there at the start creating the monster that is now called the Premier league, the fact he is now lauding a solution to a major problem that he was partly responsible, is a joke, he should of been thinking about the consequences of the effect on smaller clubs 20 years ago instead of lining the pockets of Murdoch, Sugar and all of the rest of the greedy bastards sitting on top of the pile.[/p][/quote]problem is Old Town the damage is already done and irreversible. Many would think Dyke did a good job with the premiership even though it was at the expense of the lower leagues. Now it's time to revamp the lower divisions otherwise more & more clubs will go bust with dwindling attendances and lack of local interest, this could be the shot in the arm it requires, it may start to bridge the gap between divisions. Revenue from Sky will no doubt increase as they will want to show the B teams. If done right this just might work. Davidsyrett
  • Score: -2

11:38am Sun 11 May 14

Bassett Hound says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?
Den,

Have a read of nosyrudeman's post, Dyke was there at the start creating the monster that is now called the Premier league, the fact he is now lauding a solution to a major problem that he was partly responsible, is a joke, he should of been thinking about the consequences of the effect on smaller clubs 20 years ago instead of lining the pockets of Murdoch, Sugar and all of the rest of the greedy bastards sitting on top of the pile.
problem is Old Town the damage is already done and irreversible. Many would think Dyke did a good job with the premiership even though it was at the expense of the lower leagues. Now it's time to revamp the lower divisions otherwise more & more clubs will go bust with dwindling attendances and lack of local interest, this could be the shot in the arm it requires, it may start to bridge the gap between divisions. Revenue from Sky will no doubt increase as they will want to show the B teams. If done right this just might work.
The home gates of the non B team sides would possibly double. I could see the fans of the big 10 would go and see their young stars in numbers.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?[/p][/quote]Den, Have a read of nosyrudeman's post, Dyke was there at the start creating the monster that is now called the Premier league, the fact he is now lauding a solution to a major problem that he was partly responsible, is a joke, he should of been thinking about the consequences of the effect on smaller clubs 20 years ago instead of lining the pockets of Murdoch, Sugar and all of the rest of the greedy bastards sitting on top of the pile.[/p][/quote]problem is Old Town the damage is already done and irreversible. Many would think Dyke did a good job with the premiership even though it was at the expense of the lower leagues. Now it's time to revamp the lower divisions otherwise more & more clubs will go bust with dwindling attendances and lack of local interest, this could be the shot in the arm it requires, it may start to bridge the gap between divisions. Revenue from Sky will no doubt increase as they will want to show the B teams. If done right this just might work.[/p][/quote]The home gates of the non B team sides would possibly double. I could see the fans of the big 10 would go and see their young stars in numbers. Bassett Hound
  • Score: 0

11:58am Sun 11 May 14

the don69 says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?
Den,

Have a read of nosyrudeman's post, Dyke was there at the start creating the monster that is now called the Premier league, the fact he is now lauding a solution to a major problem that he was partly responsible, is a joke, he should of been thinking about the consequences of the effect on smaller clubs 20 years ago instead of lining the pockets of Murdoch, Sugar and all of the rest of the greedy bastards sitting on top of the pile.
problem is Old Town the damage is already done and irreversible. Many would think Dyke did a good job with the premiership even though it was at the expense of the lower leagues. Now it's time to revamp the lower divisions otherwise more & more clubs will go bust with dwindling attendances and lack of local interest, this could be the shot in the arm it requires, it may start to bridge the gap between divisions. Revenue from Sky will no doubt increase as they will want to show the B teams. If done right this just might work.
The home gates of the non B team sides would possibly double. I could see the fans of the big 10 would go and see their young stars in numbers.
If the B teams did double their gates for home matches Bassett? that would be up from one man and his dog to two men with their dogs lol, the only way to get a few in to watch these games would be Free entry, fans from the big ten (as you call them) can watch a lot of their younger players in league or FA cup games, which the big ten ain't to bothered with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?[/p][/quote]Den, Have a read of nosyrudeman's post, Dyke was there at the start creating the monster that is now called the Premier league, the fact he is now lauding a solution to a major problem that he was partly responsible, is a joke, he should of been thinking about the consequences of the effect on smaller clubs 20 years ago instead of lining the pockets of Murdoch, Sugar and all of the rest of the greedy bastards sitting on top of the pile.[/p][/quote]problem is Old Town the damage is already done and irreversible. Many would think Dyke did a good job with the premiership even though it was at the expense of the lower leagues. Now it's time to revamp the lower divisions otherwise more & more clubs will go bust with dwindling attendances and lack of local interest, this could be the shot in the arm it requires, it may start to bridge the gap between divisions. Revenue from Sky will no doubt increase as they will want to show the B teams. If done right this just might work.[/p][/quote]The home gates of the non B team sides would possibly double. I could see the fans of the big 10 would go and see their young stars in numbers.[/p][/quote]If the B teams did double their gates for home matches Bassett? that would be up from one man and his dog to two men with their dogs lol, the only way to get a few in to watch these games would be Free entry, fans from the big ten (as you call them) can watch a lot of their younger players in league or FA cup games, which the big ten ain't to bothered with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 0

2:01pm Sun 11 May 14

Davidsyrett says...

the don69 wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?
Den,

Have a read of nosyrudeman's post, Dyke was there at the start creating the monster that is now called the Premier league, the fact he is now lauding a solution to a major problem that he was partly responsible, is a joke, he should of been thinking about the consequences of the effect on smaller clubs 20 years ago instead of lining the pockets of Murdoch, Sugar and all of the rest of the greedy bastards sitting on top of the pile.
problem is Old Town the damage is already done and irreversible. Many would think Dyke did a good job with the premiership even though it was at the expense of the lower leagues. Now it's time to revamp the lower divisions otherwise more & more clubs will go bust with dwindling attendances and lack of local interest, this could be the shot in the arm it requires, it may start to bridge the gap between divisions. Revenue from Sky will no doubt increase as they will want to show the B teams. If done right this just might work.
The home gates of the non B team sides would possibly double. I could see the fans of the big 10 would go and see their young stars in numbers.
If the B teams did double their gates for home matches Bassett? that would be up from one man and his dog to two men with their dogs lol, the only way to get a few in to watch these games would be Free entry, fans from the big ten (as you call them) can watch a lot of their younger players in league or FA cup games, which the big ten ain't to bothered with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Attendances for U21 league 2013/14
Man U highest 7907 av. 719
Man City Highest 5936 av 594
Liverpool Highest 4005 av 401
Arsenal Highest 8.941 av 814
Chelsea 10,779 av. 1078
Reading 3,6673 av. 334.

More than 2 man and a dog!
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?[/p][/quote]Den, Have a read of nosyrudeman's post, Dyke was there at the start creating the monster that is now called the Premier league, the fact he is now lauding a solution to a major problem that he was partly responsible, is a joke, he should of been thinking about the consequences of the effect on smaller clubs 20 years ago instead of lining the pockets of Murdoch, Sugar and all of the rest of the greedy bastards sitting on top of the pile.[/p][/quote]problem is Old Town the damage is already done and irreversible. Many would think Dyke did a good job with the premiership even though it was at the expense of the lower leagues. Now it's time to revamp the lower divisions otherwise more & more clubs will go bust with dwindling attendances and lack of local interest, this could be the shot in the arm it requires, it may start to bridge the gap between divisions. Revenue from Sky will no doubt increase as they will want to show the B teams. If done right this just might work.[/p][/quote]The home gates of the non B team sides would possibly double. I could see the fans of the big 10 would go and see their young stars in numbers.[/p][/quote]If the B teams did double their gates for home matches Bassett? that would be up from one man and his dog to two men with their dogs lol, the only way to get a few in to watch these games would be Free entry, fans from the big ten (as you call them) can watch a lot of their younger players in league or FA cup games, which the big ten ain't to bothered with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Attendances for U21 league 2013/14 Man U highest 7907 av. 719 Man City Highest 5936 av 594 Liverpool Highest 4005 av 401 Arsenal Highest 8.941 av 814 Chelsea 10,779 av. 1078 Reading 3,6673 av. 334. More than 2 man and a dog! Davidsyrett
  • Score: 0

2:03pm Sun 11 May 14

Davidsyrett says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?
Den,

Have a read of nosyrudeman's post, Dyke was there at the start creating the monster that is now called the Premier league, the fact he is now lauding a solution to a major problem that he was partly responsible, is a joke, he should of been thinking about the consequences of the effect on smaller clubs 20 years ago instead of lining the pockets of Murdoch, Sugar and all of the rest of the greedy bastards sitting on top of the pile.
problem is Old Town the damage is already done and irreversible. Many would think Dyke did a good job with the premiership even though it was at the expense of the lower leagues. Now it's time to revamp the lower divisions otherwise more & more clubs will go bust with dwindling attendances and lack of local interest, this could be the shot in the arm it requires, it may start to bridge the gap between divisions. Revenue from Sky will no doubt increase as they will want to show the B teams. If done right this just might work.
The home gates of the non B team sides would possibly double. I could see the fans of the big 10 would go and see their young stars in numbers.
If the B teams did double their gates for home matches Bassett? that would be up from one man and his dog to two men with their dogs lol, the only way to get a few in to watch these games would be Free entry, fans from the big ten (as you call them) can watch a lot of their younger players in league or FA cup games, which the big ten ain't to bothered with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Attendances for U21 league 2013/14
Man U highest 7907 av. 719
Man City Highest 5936 av 594
Liverpool Highest 4005 av 401
Arsenal Highest 8.941 av 814
Chelsea 10,779 av. 1078
Reading 3,6673 av. 334.

More than 2 man and a dog!
Just to clear that up highest should be overall attendance over the 10/11 home matches played not highest attendance!!
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I disagree with the proposal but don't see why everyone's attacking Dyke. He's a lower division football man who's landed the top job at the FA. Isn't that what we would all have wanted? What do people have against him and if he's not the right man, who is?[/p][/quote]Den, Have a read of nosyrudeman's post, Dyke was there at the start creating the monster that is now called the Premier league, the fact he is now lauding a solution to a major problem that he was partly responsible, is a joke, he should of been thinking about the consequences of the effect on smaller clubs 20 years ago instead of lining the pockets of Murdoch, Sugar and all of the rest of the greedy bastards sitting on top of the pile.[/p][/quote]problem is Old Town the damage is already done and irreversible. Many would think Dyke did a good job with the premiership even though it was at the expense of the lower leagues. Now it's time to revamp the lower divisions otherwise more & more clubs will go bust with dwindling attendances and lack of local interest, this could be the shot in the arm it requires, it may start to bridge the gap between divisions. Revenue from Sky will no doubt increase as they will want to show the B teams. If done right this just might work.[/p][/quote]The home gates of the non B team sides would possibly double. I could see the fans of the big 10 would go and see their young stars in numbers.[/p][/quote]If the B teams did double their gates for home matches Bassett? that would be up from one man and his dog to two men with their dogs lol, the only way to get a few in to watch these games would be Free entry, fans from the big ten (as you call them) can watch a lot of their younger players in league or FA cup games, which the big ten ain't to bothered with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Attendances for U21 league 2013/14 Man U highest 7907 av. 719 Man City Highest 5936 av 594 Liverpool Highest 4005 av 401 Arsenal Highest 8.941 av 814 Chelsea 10,779 av. 1078 Reading 3,6673 av. 334. More than 2 man and a dog![/p][/quote]Just to clear that up highest should be overall attendance over the 10/11 home matches played not highest attendance!! Davidsyrett
  • Score: 0

3:45pm Sun 11 May 14

Jets there'd says...

I think this will ruin the non league football pyramid for the further greed of the few elite clubs that stockpile young talented players but don't develop them.
There was a good article on today's Non League Football Show on Radio 5 where they mentioned the following petition to sign if you're against this proposal:

http://www.change.or
g/en-GB/petitions/th
e-football-associati
on-say-no-to-b-teams
#share
I think this will ruin the non league football pyramid for the further greed of the few elite clubs that stockpile young talented players but don't develop them. There was a good article on today's Non League Football Show on Radio 5 where they mentioned the following petition to sign if you're against this proposal: http://www.change.or g/en-GB/petitions/th e-football-associati on-say-no-to-b-teams #share Jets there'd
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Sun 11 May 14

London Red says...

Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today
.
Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit
.
Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season!
Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today . Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit . Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season! London Red
  • Score: 0

7:12pm Sun 11 May 14

Davidsyrett says...

London Red wrote:
Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today
.
Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit
.
Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season!
Last game of season though LR, nothing to play for. Cant see Pritchard being in the Spurs first team much next season.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today . Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit . Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season![/p][/quote]Last game of season though LR, nothing to play for. Cant see Pritchard being in the Spurs first team much next season. Davidsyrett
  • Score: -2

7:17pm Sun 11 May 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today
.
Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit
.
Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season!
"...big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower League clubs for mutual benefit." Interesting one LR. Assuming you're right about the mutual benefit, doesn't that distort the integrity of League competition? How would the handful of clubs be selected? What if we are not one of the handful?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today . Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit . Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season![/p][/quote]"...big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower League clubs for mutual benefit." Interesting one LR. Assuming you're right about the mutual benefit, doesn't that distort the integrity of League competition? How would the handful of clubs be selected? What if we are not one of the handful? Oi Den!
  • Score: -3

9:19pm Sun 11 May 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today
.
Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit
.
Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season!
"...big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower League clubs for mutual benefit." Interesting one LR. Assuming you're right about the mutual benefit, doesn't that distort the integrity of League competition? How would the handful of clubs be selected? What if we are not one of the handful?
The handful of clubs are selected by who your manager or chairman is. Like all walks of life it's who you know Den. We've done pretty well out of that over the years and we've tried to exploit that via manager selection and producing young talent to attract the interest of bigger clubs.

Remember the strategic alliances with City, Liverpool and Celtic? Even with that approach it is hard to make it work and not even the pulling power of Mike Summerbee could deliver one decent loanee during that spell.

In light of that, you have to say that Power has been both prolific and successful. I would argue that Ajose, Pritchard, Mason and Stephens have been excellent additions to our squad and a key reason why we've finished as well as we have. Llonguo was a key loanee also before he signed. That combined with a throughput to the the first team of our own young talent, and that locally from elsewhere seems a pretty good formula to me. As long as the balance is kept right.

I didn't like Power when he first arrived for a number of reasons but have to admit that by and large he has got it right and appears to be doing the best with inevitably limited resources. Overall, both Power and Cooper have grown on me as the season has progressed. Neither appear particularly charismatic but then neither particularly indulge in ****. Something Di Canio and Jed both really struggled with.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today . Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit . Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season![/p][/quote]"...big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower League clubs for mutual benefit." Interesting one LR. Assuming you're right about the mutual benefit, doesn't that distort the integrity of League competition? How would the handful of clubs be selected? What if we are not one of the handful?[/p][/quote]The handful of clubs are selected by who your manager or chairman is. Like all walks of life it's who you know Den. We've done pretty well out of that over the years and we've tried to exploit that via manager selection and producing young talent to attract the interest of bigger clubs. Remember the strategic alliances with City, Liverpool and Celtic? Even with that approach it is hard to make it work and not even the pulling power of Mike Summerbee could deliver one decent loanee during that spell. In light of that, you have to say that Power has been both prolific and successful. I would argue that Ajose, Pritchard, Mason and Stephens have been excellent additions to our squad and a key reason why we've finished as well as we have. Llonguo was a key loanee also before he signed. That combined with a throughput to the the first team of our own young talent, and that locally from elsewhere seems a pretty good formula to me. As long as the balance is kept right. I didn't like Power when he first arrived for a number of reasons but have to admit that by and large he has got it right and appears to be doing the best with inevitably limited resources. Overall, both Power and Cooper have grown on me as the season has progressed. Neither appear particularly charismatic but then neither particularly indulge in ****. Something Di Canio and Jed both really struggled with. mancrobin
  • Score: 0

10:37pm Sun 11 May 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today
.
Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit
.
Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season!
"...big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower League clubs for mutual benefit." Interesting one LR. Assuming you're right about the mutual benefit, doesn't that distort the integrity of League competition? How would the handful of clubs be selected? What if we are not one of the handful?
The handful of clubs are selected by who your manager or chairman is. Like all walks of life it's who you know Den. We've done pretty well out of that over the years and we've tried to exploit that via manager selection and producing young talent to attract the interest of bigger clubs.

Remember the strategic alliances with City, Liverpool and Celtic? Even with that approach it is hard to make it work and not even the pulling power of Mike Summerbee could deliver one decent loanee during that spell.

In light of that, you have to say that Power has been both prolific and successful. I would argue that Ajose, Pritchard, Mason and Stephens have been excellent additions to our squad and a key reason why we've finished as well as we have. Llonguo was a key loanee also before he signed. That combined with a throughput to the the first team of our own young talent, and that locally from elsewhere seems a pretty good formula to me. As long as the balance is kept right.

I didn't like Power when he first arrived for a number of reasons but have to admit that by and large he has got it right and appears to be doing the best with inevitably limited resources. Overall, both Power and Cooper have grown on me as the season has progressed. Neither appear particularly charismatic but then neither particularly indulge in ****. Something Di Canio and Jed both really struggled with.
Good post manc.

I'm not opposed to loans in principle. I am against them being systematic. Premier League clubs should not be able to expect other clubs to look after their players. Clubs like us should not have to rely on loans to enable us to put a team on the pitch. If we have to do that, the game has lost its way. Whether Ajose and co were good for us is not the point. We either believe it's good for the game in general or we don't. I don't like it because it is unhelpful to continuity, identity and the integrity of the competition. Of course "who you know" is always going to help but if it results in a small number of clubs taking a large number of loans from their mates, that must be wrong mustn't it?

No complaints from me about Cooper. Like many people I remain wary of Power but so far so good.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today . Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit . Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season![/p][/quote]"...big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower League clubs for mutual benefit." Interesting one LR. Assuming you're right about the mutual benefit, doesn't that distort the integrity of League competition? How would the handful of clubs be selected? What if we are not one of the handful?[/p][/quote]The handful of clubs are selected by who your manager or chairman is. Like all walks of life it's who you know Den. We've done pretty well out of that over the years and we've tried to exploit that via manager selection and producing young talent to attract the interest of bigger clubs. Remember the strategic alliances with City, Liverpool and Celtic? Even with that approach it is hard to make it work and not even the pulling power of Mike Summerbee could deliver one decent loanee during that spell. In light of that, you have to say that Power has been both prolific and successful. I would argue that Ajose, Pritchard, Mason and Stephens have been excellent additions to our squad and a key reason why we've finished as well as we have. Llonguo was a key loanee also before he signed. That combined with a throughput to the the first team of our own young talent, and that locally from elsewhere seems a pretty good formula to me. As long as the balance is kept right. I didn't like Power when he first arrived for a number of reasons but have to admit that by and large he has got it right and appears to be doing the best with inevitably limited resources. Overall, both Power and Cooper have grown on me as the season has progressed. Neither appear particularly charismatic but then neither particularly indulge in ****. Something Di Canio and Jed both really struggled with.[/p][/quote]Good post manc. I'm not opposed to loans in principle. I am against them being systematic. Premier League clubs should not be able to expect other clubs to look after their players. Clubs like us should not have to rely on loans to enable us to put a team on the pitch. If we have to do that, the game has lost its way. Whether Ajose and co were good for us is not the point. We either believe it's good for the game in general or we don't. I don't like it because it is unhelpful to continuity, identity and the integrity of the competition. Of course "who you know" is always going to help but if it results in a small number of clubs taking a large number of loans from their mates, that must be wrong mustn't it? No complaints from me about Cooper. Like many people I remain wary of Power but so far so good. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

7:57am Mon 12 May 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today
.
Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit
.
Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season!
"...big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower League clubs for mutual benefit." Interesting one LR. Assuming you're right about the mutual benefit, doesn't that distort the integrity of League competition? How would the handful of clubs be selected? What if we are not one of the handful?
Den think you missed my point
.
I didn't mean a handful of the 72 are to be selected - but each club would choose a handful as their "preferred clubs"
.
Now how a club choose that is down to them - be it locality, playing style or as Man said who your connections are
.
Then by working with them it could be along the lines we have heard mooted with coaches potentially working at the clubs on a consultancy basis etc
.
We had Cooper Snr help this season - but had Ramsey come in for a few secessions to pass on advice would that be a bad thing?
.
Or if we had a fitness coach come over and do a series of secessions monthly would that be a bad thing?
.
Then we could also potentially see deals occur where youngsters are transferred cheap or free - but first option or large sell ons are added
.
All in all that would help the parent club as youngsters get experience
.
Helps child club through loanees - Pritchard was a success - potential aid through coaching and could land decent players at a fee they can afford
.
I personally think that would improve English football and lower league clubs better than any B league would
.
It would hinder competition either as no different to now really where clubs deal with certain clubs etc - I would expect the handful to be spread across leagues to allow players to develop - ie as they get older move up a league
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today . Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit . Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season![/p][/quote]"...big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower League clubs for mutual benefit." Interesting one LR. Assuming you're right about the mutual benefit, doesn't that distort the integrity of League competition? How would the handful of clubs be selected? What if we are not one of the handful?[/p][/quote]Den think you missed my point . I didn't mean a handful of the 72 are to be selected - but each club would choose a handful as their "preferred clubs" . Now how a club choose that is down to them - be it locality, playing style or as Man said who your connections are . Then by working with them it could be along the lines we have heard mooted with coaches potentially working at the clubs on a consultancy basis etc . We had Cooper Snr help this season - but had Ramsey come in for a few secessions to pass on advice would that be a bad thing? . Or if we had a fitness coach come over and do a series of secessions monthly would that be a bad thing? . Then we could also potentially see deals occur where youngsters are transferred cheap or free - but first option or large sell ons are added . All in all that would help the parent club as youngsters get experience . Helps child club through loanees - Pritchard was a success - potential aid through coaching and could land decent players at a fee they can afford . I personally think that would improve English football and lower league clubs better than any B league would . It would hinder competition either as no different to now really where clubs deal with certain clubs etc - I would expect the handful to be spread across leagues to allow players to develop - ie as they get older move up a league London Red
  • Score: 1

9:23am Mon 12 May 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today
.
Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit
.
Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season!
"...big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower League clubs for mutual benefit." Interesting one LR. Assuming you're right about the mutual benefit, doesn't that distort the integrity of League competition? How would the handful of clubs be selected? What if we are not one of the handful?
Den think you missed my point
.
I didn't mean a handful of the 72 are to be selected - but each club would choose a handful as their "preferred clubs"
.
Now how a club choose that is down to them - be it locality, playing style or as Man said who your connections are
.
Then by working with them it could be along the lines we have heard mooted with coaches potentially working at the clubs on a consultancy basis etc
.
We had Cooper Snr help this season - but had Ramsey come in for a few secessions to pass on advice would that be a bad thing?
.
Or if we had a fitness coach come over and do a series of secessions monthly would that be a bad thing?
.
Then we could also potentially see deals occur where youngsters are transferred cheap or free - but first option or large sell ons are added
.
All in all that would help the parent club as youngsters get experience
.
Helps child club through loanees - Pritchard was a success - potential aid through coaching and could land decent players at a fee they can afford
.
I personally think that would improve English football and lower league clubs better than any B league would
.
It would hinder competition either as no different to now really where clubs deal with certain clubs etc - I would expect the handful to be spread across leagues to allow players to develop - ie as they get older move up a league
Good ideas but personally I think every club should have its own identity, and the loan players should adapt to the child club training. You run the risk of the parent clubs taking over child clubs and too much help could be seen as interference, undermining the coaching at the child clubs.

Well done to Pritchard for his 7 minutes though, although it remains to be seen if he has a future at Spurs, I hope so. I'm 100% sure he wouldn't have got those 7 minutes without his excellent season here.

To be fair he could also have got those 7 minutes after a season shining in the B League, although it is probably fairly irrelevant as 75% of the League clubs have to vote the change in and I don't think I've yet seen one in favour...
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Pritchard makes his Premiership Debut at 21 years and 8 days today . Shows you don't need a new B league to get them in at a young age - current loan system is fine - big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower league clubs for mutual benefit . Villa also had a kid on their bench who was on loan at Notts Co this season![/p][/quote]"...big clubs just need to work with a handful of lower League clubs for mutual benefit." Interesting one LR. Assuming you're right about the mutual benefit, doesn't that distort the integrity of League competition? How would the handful of clubs be selected? What if we are not one of the handful?[/p][/quote]Den think you missed my point . I didn't mean a handful of the 72 are to be selected - but each club would choose a handful as their "preferred clubs" . Now how a club choose that is down to them - be it locality, playing style or as Man said who your connections are . Then by working with them it could be along the lines we have heard mooted with coaches potentially working at the clubs on a consultancy basis etc . We had Cooper Snr help this season - but had Ramsey come in for a few secessions to pass on advice would that be a bad thing? . Or if we had a fitness coach come over and do a series of secessions monthly would that be a bad thing? . Then we could also potentially see deals occur where youngsters are transferred cheap or free - but first option or large sell ons are added . All in all that would help the parent club as youngsters get experience . Helps child club through loanees - Pritchard was a success - potential aid through coaching and could land decent players at a fee they can afford . I personally think that would improve English football and lower league clubs better than any B league would . It would hinder competition either as no different to now really where clubs deal with certain clubs etc - I would expect the handful to be spread across leagues to allow players to develop - ie as they get older move up a league[/p][/quote]Good ideas but personally I think every club should have its own identity, and the loan players should adapt to the child club training. You run the risk of the parent clubs taking over child clubs and too much help could be seen as interference, undermining the coaching at the child clubs. Well done to Pritchard for his 7 minutes though, although it remains to be seen if he has a future at Spurs, I hope so. I'm 100% sure he wouldn't have got those 7 minutes without his excellent season here. To be fair he could also have got those 7 minutes after a season shining in the B League, although it is probably fairly irrelevant as 75% of the League clubs have to vote the change in and I don't think I've yet seen one in favour... Wilesy
  • Score: -1

12:27pm Mon 12 May 14

Helpme234 says...

There's a simple solution if the idea behind this is to enable more players in Premier league clubs to play competitive matches where they are currently not able to force their way into starting first team matches. Let them have their own League and play against each other without interfering with the rest of football. They shouldn't be able to play against FL clubs in either league or cup matches. This would satisfy the FA and those Premier clubs who are for Dykes idea.
There's a simple solution if the idea behind this is to enable more players in Premier league clubs to play competitive matches where they are currently not able to force their way into starting first team matches. Let them have their own League and play against each other without interfering with the rest of football. They shouldn't be able to play against FL clubs in either league or cup matches. This would satisfy the FA and those Premier clubs who are for Dykes idea. Helpme234
  • Score: 1

12:37pm Mon 12 May 14

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

Helpme234 wrote:
There's a simple solution if the idea behind this is to enable more players in Premier league clubs to play competitive matches where they are currently not able to force their way into starting first team matches. Let them have their own League and play against each other without interfering with the rest of football. They shouldn't be able to play against FL clubs in either league or cup matches. This would satisfy the FA and those Premier clubs who are for Dykes idea.
Sorry Helpme234 your idea is far too sensible, to be adopted by the Buffoons that run our National Game.
The F.A. were bad enough before the idiot Dyke joined them, so god only knows what will happen to the lower League Clubs now.
[quote][p][bold]Helpme234[/bold] wrote: There's a simple solution if the idea behind this is to enable more players in Premier league clubs to play competitive matches where they are currently not able to force their way into starting first team matches. Let them have their own League and play against each other without interfering with the rest of football. They shouldn't be able to play against FL clubs in either league or cup matches. This would satisfy the FA and those Premier clubs who are for Dykes idea.[/p][/quote]Sorry Helpme234 your idea is far too sensible, to be adopted by the Buffoons that run our National Game. The F.A. were bad enough before the idiot Dyke joined them, so god only knows what will happen to the lower League Clubs now. Old-Stager, Hilperton
  • Score: 0

10:16pm Mon 12 May 14

Wilesy says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Helpme234 wrote:
There's a simple solution if the idea behind this is to enable more players in Premier league clubs to play competitive matches where they are currently not able to force their way into starting first team matches. Let them have their own League and play against each other without interfering with the rest of football. They shouldn't be able to play against FL clubs in either league or cup matches. This would satisfy the FA and those Premier clubs who are for Dykes idea.
Sorry Helpme234 your idea is far too sensible, to be adopted by the Buffoons that run our National Game.
The F.A. were bad enough before the idiot Dyke joined them, so god only knows what will happen to the lower League Clubs now.
I don't think the PL will be happy until their league has no relegation, no English players and a minimum wage of £100k a week.

Maybe even expand out with a top 10 closed shop elite league, and the rest of football can proceed with some normality.
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helpme234[/bold] wrote: There's a simple solution if the idea behind this is to enable more players in Premier league clubs to play competitive matches where they are currently not able to force their way into starting first team matches. Let them have their own League and play against each other without interfering with the rest of football. They shouldn't be able to play against FL clubs in either league or cup matches. This would satisfy the FA and those Premier clubs who are for Dykes idea.[/p][/quote]Sorry Helpme234 your idea is far too sensible, to be adopted by the Buffoons that run our National Game. The F.A. were bad enough before the idiot Dyke joined them, so god only knows what will happen to the lower League Clubs now.[/p][/quote]I don't think the PL will be happy until their league has no relegation, no English players and a minimum wage of £100k a week. Maybe even expand out with a top 10 closed shop elite league, and the rest of football can proceed with some normality. Wilesy
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Tue 13 May 14

Swindon1984 says...

Playing devil's advocate, England had won nothing in the twenty five odd yearsd before the inception of the premier league either, so not sure that we can lay the national team's lack of success squarely at the door of the premiership.

Also, not sure the premiership can be blamed for buying in foreign players - you make the best purchases you can, and if the best, most cost effective options on offer come from abroad, then that's what they'll buy. If there were a whole host of ready made, talented, reasonably priced English players, would clubs be ignoring them in favour of foreign counterparts? No. A couple of things are at work there, firstly that British players are pricing themselves out of the market (some of the transfer fees in recent years have been astronomical for very average English players) and also, there's a lack of top talent being produced.

However....

I'd argue that whilst the prem is sickening in wealth, TV exposure and fickle fans, the game is wrong from the bottom up as well as the top down, and as someone quite rightly pointed out, this is where the FA should be stepping up in the interests of the game as a whole.

Unfortunately, they made their bed years ago, and the Premiership is now a far more powerful body than the FA due to sheer wealth alone. It's a case of the tail wagging the dog, and in much the same way as corporations now own governments rather than governments regulating corporations, the premiership now has a ridiculous stranglehold on the game in this country as a whole.

Can't offer any answers on that front - the whole thing's a mess, and no amount of "root and branch" studies, focus groups or FA has-beens getting together over a cup of tea to make half-arsed suggestions is going to help. Bottom line is no-one with the clout to do anything gives a monkeys about football as a whole, only their little silo which is why the bottom rungs of the football ladder and grass roots football will continue to suffer. Token gestures towards supporting lower league football will be made, same with grass roots coaching and so on, but it's not done with any real interest in changing things. No different to an oil company donating a few quid to environmental research, nice bit of PR but not done with anything like honest motivation.
Playing devil's advocate, England had won nothing in the twenty five odd yearsd before the inception of the premier league either, so not sure that we can lay the national team's lack of success squarely at the door of the premiership. Also, not sure the premiership can be blamed for buying in foreign players - you make the best purchases you can, and if the best, most cost effective options on offer come from abroad, then that's what they'll buy. If there were a whole host of ready made, talented, reasonably priced English players, would clubs be ignoring them in favour of foreign counterparts? No. A couple of things are at work there, firstly that British players are pricing themselves out of the market (some of the transfer fees in recent years have been astronomical for very average English players) and also, there's a lack of top talent being produced. However.... I'd argue that whilst the prem is sickening in wealth, TV exposure and fickle fans, the game is wrong from the bottom up as well as the top down, and as someone quite rightly pointed out, this is where the FA should be stepping up in the interests of the game as a whole. Unfortunately, they made their bed years ago, and the Premiership is now a far more powerful body than the FA due to sheer wealth alone. It's a case of the tail wagging the dog, and in much the same way as corporations now own governments rather than governments regulating corporations, the premiership now has a ridiculous stranglehold on the game in this country as a whole. Can't offer any answers on that front - the whole thing's a mess, and no amount of "root and branch" studies, focus groups or FA has-beens getting together over a cup of tea to make half-arsed suggestions is going to help. Bottom line is no-one with the clout to do anything gives a monkeys about football as a whole, only their little silo which is why the bottom rungs of the football ladder and grass roots football will continue to suffer. Token gestures towards supporting lower league football will be made, same with grass roots coaching and so on, but it's not done with any real interest in changing things. No different to an oil company donating a few quid to environmental research, nice bit of PR but not done with anything like honest motivation. Swindon1984
  • Score: 0

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