Wray linked to Birmingham bid

Jeremy Wray

Jeremy Wray

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FORMER Swindon Town chairman Jeremy Wray is involved in a consortium looking to buy a stake in Birmingham City.

Wray was on the board at the Country Ground for four years and spent the final 18 months of that time as chairman, before being replaced by Sir William Patey in October 2012.

The Birmingham Mail has reported that Wray and his associates from Soccer Management Worldwide Limited are the UK group looking to buy into the St Andrews club, who have suffered financial problems of late and only survived relegation from the Championship on the final day of last season.

Wray, whose most notable act at the County Ground was the appointment of Paolo Di Canio in the summer of 2011, was at St Andrew’s on Thursday as the consortium continue the due diligence process.

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9:36pm Thu 29 May 14

Di kanny oh says...

Good chairman at STFC and well liked but did allow the loose cannon Di Canio to spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, other peoples money. Mind you the roller coaster ride was brilliant but it almost bankrupt us.
Good chairman at STFC and well liked but did allow the loose cannon Di Canio to spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, other peoples money. Mind you the roller coaster ride was brilliant but it almost bankrupt us. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 7

9:44pm Thu 29 May 14

oo-r-ya? says...

Come on Adver! Stop passing us off with stories from other publications, however mildly interesting they may be, and do some investigative journalism into what's happening with OUR club. Speak to the parties involved ( both sides? ), or are you merely their lapdogs only reporting what they tell you to report?
Come on Adver! Stop passing us off with stories from other publications, however mildly interesting they may be, and do some investigative journalism into what's happening with OUR club. Speak to the parties involved ( both sides? ), or are you merely their lapdogs only reporting what they tell you to report? oo-r-ya?
  • Score: -3

9:52pm Thu 29 May 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Would have Wray with no money rather than McCrory taking money out.
Will celebrate the day he and his cronies have nothing to do with our club.
Would have Wray with no money rather than McCrory taking money out. Will celebrate the day he and his cronies have nothing to do with our club. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 37

10:14pm Thu 29 May 14

Oi Den! says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Would have Wray with no money rather than McCrory taking money out.
Will celebrate the day he and his cronies have nothing to do with our club.
Agreed. Wray made mistakes and I'm sure he'll have learned from them. At least he made those mistakes in trying to take the club forward, rather than trying to feather his own nest. Despite his indulgence of PDC, for which he was rightly criticised, in my eyes Wray is the best chairman our club has had. I'd welcome him back any time. (And that's not a shot at Power.)
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: Would have Wray with no money rather than McCrory taking money out. Will celebrate the day he and his cronies have nothing to do with our club.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Wray made mistakes and I'm sure he'll have learned from them. At least he made those mistakes in trying to take the club forward, rather than trying to feather his own nest. Despite his indulgence of PDC, for which he was rightly criticised, in my eyes Wray is the best chairman our club has had. I'd welcome him back any time. (And that's not a shot at Power.) Oi Den!
  • Score: 13

12:50am Fri 30 May 14

pubfbmanager says...

Wray spannered Black's money away during his spell-bound love-in with PDC, simple. That cost us THE single best investor the County Ground has ever seen, bar none,

Although I agree 100% with Banburys comment as regards rather having Wray than McGrory, I blame his ridiculous, irresponsible spending spree on where the club finds itself post-McGrory.
Wray spannered Black's money away during his spell-bound love-in with PDC, simple. That cost us THE single best investor the County Ground has ever seen, bar none, Although I agree 100% with Banburys comment as regards rather having Wray than McGrory, I blame his ridiculous, irresponsible spending spree on where the club finds itself post-McGrory. pubfbmanager
  • Score: 19

6:44am Fri 30 May 14

Jets there'd says...

pubfbmanager wrote:
Wray spannered Black's money away during his spell-bound love-in with PDC, simple. That cost us THE single best investor the County Ground has ever seen, bar none,

Although I agree 100% with Banburys comment as regards rather having Wray than McGrory, I blame his ridiculous, irresponsible spending spree on where the club finds itself post-McGrory.
Totally agree. If Andrew Black's financial input had been spent & controlled wisely then he might still be at the club as our major backer.
[quote][p][bold]pubfbmanager[/bold] wrote: Wray spannered Black's money away during his spell-bound love-in with PDC, simple. That cost us THE single best investor the County Ground has ever seen, bar none, Although I agree 100% with Banburys comment as regards rather having Wray than McGrory, I blame his ridiculous, irresponsible spending spree on where the club finds itself post-McGrory.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. If Andrew Black's financial input had been spent & controlled wisely then he might still be at the club as our major backer. Jets there'd
  • Score: 11

7:48am Fri 30 May 14

doomster says...

Wray definitely got carried away and whilst yes he oversaw success he also oversaw crazy spending. He took all the glory and **** off fitton in doing so which was possibly why fitton was so adamant about getting his loot back. At gillingham wray lapped it up whilst fitton just looked like a bloke who'd lost a tenner but found a fiver.

Wray big meh from me.
Wray definitely got carried away and whilst yes he oversaw success he also oversaw crazy spending. He took all the glory and **** off fitton in doing so which was possibly why fitton was so adamant about getting his loot back. At gillingham wray lapped it up whilst fitton just looked like a bloke who'd lost a tenner but found a fiver. Wray big meh from me. doomster
  • Score: -3

8:11am Fri 30 May 14

the wizard says...

At least when you spoke with Wray you knew he was somebody of substance and standards and a far cry from Jed and Muriel who so it seems are just in it for what they can get.
At least when you spoke with Wray you knew he was somebody of substance and standards and a far cry from Jed and Muriel who so it seems are just in it for what they can get. the wizard
  • Score: 8

8:19am Fri 30 May 14

London Red says...

One question is why didn't Wray and his consortium come in for us?
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If Black wanted out - I'm sure he would have sold to Wray
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I thought Brum were only selling 25% - so they won't control the club
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Still that's all in the past now - we need to look forward and as long as things go well in the Jed spat for Power - I honestly think he has the potential to go down as our best chairman - as he is a football man and everything he aims to do is about sucess on the field - without killing it off the field
One question is why didn't Wray and his consortium come in for us? . If Black wanted out - I'm sure he would have sold to Wray . I thought Brum were only selling 25% - so they won't control the club . Still that's all in the past now - we need to look forward and as long as things go well in the Jed spat for Power - I honestly think he has the potential to go down as our best chairman - as he is a football man and everything he aims to do is about sucess on the field - without killing it off the field London Red
  • Score: 11

9:07am Fri 30 May 14

mike1990 says...

Wray blew his mates money on PDC'S wasteful spending, he is the main reason why Black pulled the plug, he simply was not up to the job of being chairman, he would have been totally to blame had we gone into Admin, anyone can play at being chairman like Wray blowing a friend's money and letting a manager run a muck and pile up huge debts, Wray was a nice bloke, but clueless at running a football club, how oi den can say he is the best chairman we ever had is beyond me and beggars belief, all he done was blew a rich man's money until he had to get rid of him and left our club he the hands of two cowboys.
Wray blew his mates money on PDC'S wasteful spending, he is the main reason why Black pulled the plug, he simply was not up to the job of being chairman, he would have been totally to blame had we gone into Admin, anyone can play at being chairman like Wray blowing a friend's money and letting a manager run a muck and pile up huge debts, Wray was a nice bloke, but clueless at running a football club, how oi den can say he is the best chairman we ever had is beyond me and beggars belief, all he done was blew a rich man's money until he had to get rid of him and left our club he the hands of two cowboys. mike1990
  • Score: 14

9:54am Fri 30 May 14

Wilesy says...

Couldn't care less whether Wray had the edge on other chairmen in the 'decent bloke' category. I'm sure he's a super chap but not really relevant.

No issue with the prinicple of Wray spending a lot of Black's money - he was given a clear and generous budget - all he had to do was stay within the league's fair play rules but DOH! after blowing it all early doors he then got caught out massively with the tribunals for Troy and Collins and the surprise of having to pay out money when that was clearly going to happen. Did he think they would be freebies?

Whilst undoubtedly a smashing bloke he got the club an embargo, he got sacked by an irate Black, and presumably this triggered the Black departure and almost led to administration. And some people want him back?
Couldn't care less whether Wray had the edge on other chairmen in the 'decent bloke' category. I'm sure he's a super chap but not really relevant. No issue with the prinicple of Wray spending a lot of Black's money - he was given a clear and generous budget - all he had to do was stay within the league's fair play rules but DOH! after blowing it all early doors he then got caught out massively with the tribunals for Troy and Collins and the surprise of having to pay out money when that was clearly going to happen. Did he think they would be freebies? Whilst undoubtedly a smashing bloke he got the club an embargo, he got sacked by an irate Black, and presumably this triggered the Black departure and almost led to administration. And some people want him back? Wilesy
  • Score: 8

10:02am Fri 30 May 14

ShearerShearer says...

The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho.

Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would.

Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money

PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club.

It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)
The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-) ShearerShearer
  • Score: 16

10:16am Fri 30 May 14

As far as I go says...

ShearerShearer wrote:
The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho.

Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would.

Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money

PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club.

It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)
PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled.
I think we were 5th when he left.
[quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)[/p][/quote]PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left. As far as I go
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10:30am Fri 30 May 14

ShearerShearer says...

As far as I go wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)
PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left.
That's strictly true, however all the preparations had been put in place and the same coaching team were in charge that evening.
[quote][p][bold]As far as I go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)[/p][/quote]PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left.[/p][/quote]That's strictly true, however all the preparations had been put in place and the same coaching team were in charge that evening. ShearerShearer
  • Score: 5

11:45am Fri 30 May 14

London Red says...

ShearerShearer wrote:
As far as I go wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)
PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left.
That's strictly true, however all the preparations had been put in place and the same coaching team were in charge that evening.
Then why didn't he stay and complete the job - he promised us fans promotion to the Championship and remeber his word was worth 15,000 contracts!
[quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]As far as I go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)[/p][/quote]PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left.[/p][/quote]That's strictly true, however all the preparations had been put in place and the same coaching team were in charge that evening.[/p][/quote]Then why didn't he stay and complete the job - he promised us fans promotion to the Championship and remeber his word was worth 15,000 contracts! London Red
  • Score: -1

11:57am Fri 30 May 14

Next Tuesday says...

As far as I go wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho.

Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would.

Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money

PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club.

It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)
PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled.
I think we were 5th when he left.
Correct. Fabrizio Picarretta was in charge when we went top of the league and it is he that must take the credit. My mate used to clean the toilets at Whaddon Road and he reckons Di Canio was just Picarretta's 'yes' man anyway.
[quote][p][bold]As far as I go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)[/p][/quote]PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left.[/p][/quote]Correct. Fabrizio Picarretta was in charge when we went top of the league and it is he that must take the credit. My mate used to clean the toilets at Whaddon Road and he reckons Di Canio was just Picarretta's 'yes' man anyway. Next Tuesday
  • Score: -6

12:09pm Fri 30 May 14

mancrobin says...

London Red wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
As far as I go wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)
PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left.
That's strictly true, however all the preparations had been put in place and the same coaching team were in charge that evening.
Then why didn't he stay and complete the job - he promised us fans promotion to the Championship and remeber his word was worth 15,000 contracts!
I seem to remember that his word had the distinct smell of the Bull.

Could be Wray's first step in reuniting PdC with Paul Caddis?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]As far as I go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)[/p][/quote]PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left.[/p][/quote]That's strictly true, however all the preparations had been put in place and the same coaching team were in charge that evening.[/p][/quote]Then why didn't he stay and complete the job - he promised us fans promotion to the Championship and remeber his word was worth 15,000 contracts![/p][/quote]I seem to remember that his word had the distinct smell of the Bull. Could be Wray's first step in reuniting PdC with Paul Caddis? mancrobin
  • Score: 0

12:33pm Fri 30 May 14

ShearerShearer says...

London Red wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
As far as I go wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)
PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left.
That's strictly true, however all the preparations had been put in place and the same coaching team were in charge that evening.
Then why didn't he stay and complete the job - he promised us fans promotion to the Championship and remeber his word was worth 15,000 contracts!
I guess he didn't want to work for £0 since we could no longer afford to pay him once Black pulled out. Whatever the so called plan was that he'd been fed was also no longer possible without financial backing.

There's no doubt that Black has been one of our best backers ever and I'm eternally grateful for that, it's just a pity his pockets weren't a bit deeper.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]As far as I go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)[/p][/quote]PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left.[/p][/quote]That's strictly true, however all the preparations had been put in place and the same coaching team were in charge that evening.[/p][/quote]Then why didn't he stay and complete the job - he promised us fans promotion to the Championship and remeber his word was worth 15,000 contracts![/p][/quote]I guess he didn't want to work for £0 since we could no longer afford to pay him once Black pulled out. Whatever the so called plan was that he'd been fed was also no longer possible without financial backing. There's no doubt that Black has been one of our best backers ever and I'm eternally grateful for that, it's just a pity his pockets weren't a bit deeper. ShearerShearer
  • Score: 6

6:21pm Fri 30 May 14

the wizard says...

Next Tuesday wrote:
As far as I go wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho.

Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would.

Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money

PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club.

It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)
PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled.
I think we were 5th when he left.
Correct. Fabrizio Picarretta was in charge when we went top of the league and it is he that must take the credit. My mate used to clean the toilets at Whaddon Road and he reckons Di Canio was just Picarretta's 'yes' man anyway.
Don't care if that is correct or not, but, PDC was on the phone to the coach, the same vehicle he earlier cancelled out of spite, instructing the staff and the players how they must loose the game to put pressure on people to ensure he was brought back in, as some sort of messiah.. Now that came from several of the old guard who have since moved on, but to say Watkins was pulling out his remaining hair when he heard it is an understatement.
He was acting in an almost demented manner according to some of the players. Its all old rope now, but anybody who takes him on after what happened here and at Sunderland are surely asking for trouble. He needs to understand, one day he may meet God, but God himself, he aint and he needs to understand and accept that. Flawed genius, hmmmm maybe.
[quote][p][bold]Next Tuesday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]As far as I go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)[/p][/quote]PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left.[/p][/quote]Correct. Fabrizio Picarretta was in charge when we went top of the league and it is he that must take the credit. My mate used to clean the toilets at Whaddon Road and he reckons Di Canio was just Picarretta's 'yes' man anyway.[/p][/quote]Don't care if that is correct or not, but, PDC was on the phone to the coach, the same vehicle he earlier cancelled out of spite, instructing the staff and the players how they must loose the game to put pressure on people to ensure he was brought back in, as some sort of messiah.. Now that came from several of the old guard who have since moved on, but to say Watkins was pulling out his remaining hair when he heard it is an understatement. He was acting in an almost demented manner according to some of the players. Its all old rope now, but anybody who takes him on after what happened here and at Sunderland are surely asking for trouble. He needs to understand, one day he may meet God, but God himself, he aint and he needs to understand and accept that. Flawed genius, hmmmm maybe. the wizard
  • Score: 1

10:03pm Fri 30 May 14

alchafreds says...

ShearerShearer wrote:
The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho.

Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would.

Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money

PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club.

It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)
brilliant
[quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)[/p][/quote]brilliant alchafreds
  • Score: 1

10:07pm Fri 30 May 14

alchafreds says...

Next Tuesday wrote:
As far as I go wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho.

Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would.

Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money

PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club.

It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)
PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled.
I think we were 5th when he left.
Correct. Fabrizio Picarretta was in charge when we went top of the league and it is he that must take the credit. My mate used to clean the toilets at Whaddon Road and he reckons Di Canio was just Picarretta's 'yes' man anyway.
REALLY
av a day off
[quote][p][bold]Next Tuesday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]As far as I go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)[/p][/quote]PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left.[/p][/quote]Correct. Fabrizio Picarretta was in charge when we went top of the league and it is he that must take the credit. My mate used to clean the toilets at Whaddon Road and he reckons Di Canio was just Picarretta's 'yes' man anyway.[/p][/quote]REALLY av a day off alchafreds
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9:28am Sat 31 May 14

old town robin says...

Wilesy wrote:
Couldn't care less whether Wray had the edge on other chairmen in the 'decent bloke' category. I'm sure he's a super chap but not really relevant.

No issue with the prinicple of Wray spending a lot of Black's money - he was given a clear and generous budget - all he had to do was stay within the league's fair play rules but DOH! after blowing it all early doors he then got caught out massively with the tribunals for Troy and Collins and the surprise of having to pay out money when that was clearly going to happen. Did he think they would be freebies?

Whilst undoubtedly a smashing bloke he got the club an embargo, he got sacked by an irate Black, and presumably this triggered the Black departure and almost led to administration. And some people want him back?
Summed up the situation of events well Wilesy, i agree with you it was the mistake as to when Exeter and Shrews were due to be paid for Troy and Collins that finally broke the camels back, although it was reported Black and Fitton always had doubts about the appointment of Paolo due to his arrogance and lack of respect to the main investor (owner), it has to be remembered he did remain within the budget until these two signings blew the lid off so to speak.

Although Wray has to take overall responsibility, not sure if he was the one that made the mistake in thinking payment was not due immediately according to the FA rule book, neither was Paolo for that matter.

it seems to me Black, Wray and PdC and the club were let down badly by whomever was responsible within the club for dealing with such matters and unless Jeremy ever went public I guess we will never hear who the real culprit was, but it would have had to have been someone with contract and financial responsibilities.

In answer to your last comment would we want him back, yes if he brought investment into the club I would welcome him back, he did demonstrate some good leadership and had quite a difficult job as the intermediary between dealing with players, board and Paolo.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Couldn't care less whether Wray had the edge on other chairmen in the 'decent bloke' category. I'm sure he's a super chap but not really relevant. No issue with the prinicple of Wray spending a lot of Black's money - he was given a clear and generous budget - all he had to do was stay within the league's fair play rules but DOH! after blowing it all early doors he then got caught out massively with the tribunals for Troy and Collins and the surprise of having to pay out money when that was clearly going to happen. Did he think they would be freebies? Whilst undoubtedly a smashing bloke he got the club an embargo, he got sacked by an irate Black, and presumably this triggered the Black departure and almost led to administration. And some people want him back?[/p][/quote]Summed up the situation of events well Wilesy, i agree with you it was the mistake as to when Exeter and Shrews were due to be paid for Troy and Collins that finally broke the camels back, although it was reported Black and Fitton always had doubts about the appointment of Paolo due to his arrogance and lack of respect to the main investor (owner), it has to be remembered he did remain within the budget until these two signings blew the lid off so to speak. Although Wray has to take overall responsibility, not sure if he was the one that made the mistake in thinking payment was not due immediately according to the FA rule book, neither was Paolo for that matter. it seems to me Black, Wray and PdC and the club were let down badly by whomever was responsible within the club for dealing with such matters and unless Jeremy ever went public I guess we will never hear who the real culprit was, but it would have had to have been someone with contract and financial responsibilities. In answer to your last comment would we want him back, yes if he brought investment into the club I would welcome him back, he did demonstrate some good leadership and had quite a difficult job as the intermediary between dealing with players, board and Paolo. old town robin
  • Score: 1

10:32am Sat 31 May 14

dazzastfc says...

alchafreds wrote:
Next Tuesday wrote:
As far as I go wrote:
ShearerShearer wrote:
The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho.

Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would.

Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money

PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club.

It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)
PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled.
I think we were 5th when he left.
Correct. Fabrizio Picarretta was in charge when we went top of the league and it is he that must take the credit. My mate used to clean the toilets at Whaddon Road and he reckons Di Canio was just Picarretta's 'yes' man anyway.
REALLY
av a day off
Why does it matter who is to blame....THEY HAVE ALL GONE..
The true facts are before fitton and co came in we were in div3 in a big mess...
STFC Spent way to much money for a club are size and now we are STILL in the same position and the club are still skint with 2 cowboys fighting for the club ....
I wonder were the money for the court cases are coming from
[quote][p][bold]alchafreds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Next Tuesday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]As far as I go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShearerShearer[/bold] wrote: The blame for the mess we were left in lies squarely with Black and Wray imho. Black - didn't manage Wray, if he were spending my money I would. Wray - allowed PDC to spend the money PDC - spent the money that was made available, wisely or otherwise we gained promotion and then were left in 1st place in Lge 1 when he left the club. It would be hilarious if the Brum takeover went ahead and Wray managed to get PDC appointed, imagine Paul Caddis' face :-)[/p][/quote]PDC left before the Tranmere game and therefore he cannot claim we were top when he fled. I think we were 5th when he left.[/p][/quote]Correct. Fabrizio Picarretta was in charge when we went top of the league and it is he that must take the credit. My mate used to clean the toilets at Whaddon Road and he reckons Di Canio was just Picarretta's 'yes' man anyway.[/p][/quote]REALLY av a day off[/p][/quote]Why does it matter who is to blame....THEY HAVE ALL GONE.. The true facts are before fitton and co came in we were in div3 in a big mess... STFC Spent way to much money for a club are size and now we are STILL in the same position and the club are still skint with 2 cowboys fighting for the club .... I wonder were the money for the court cases are coming from dazzastfc
  • Score: -1

2:45pm Sat 31 May 14

jillyh says...

Quite simple the money is coming from the supporters' hard earned money
Season ticket sales will fund some of it. I would rather see my money spent on well needed new players.
Quite simple the money is coming from the supporters' hard earned money Season ticket sales will fund some of it. I would rather see my money spent on well needed new players. jillyh
  • Score: -7

3:14pm Sat 31 May 14

dazzastfc says...

jillyh wrote:
Quite simple the money is coming from the supporters' hard earned money
Season ticket sales will fund some of it. I would rather see my money spent on well needed new players.
Spot on mate....
looks like a season of loan players again,,,,
Another season of WORK IN PROGRESS ??...
what a crock of shat
[quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Quite simple the money is coming from the supporters' hard earned money Season ticket sales will fund some of it. I would rather see my money spent on well needed new players.[/p][/quote]Spot on mate.... looks like a season of loan players again,,,, Another season of WORK IN PROGRESS ??... what a crock of shat dazzastfc
  • Score: -8

3:26pm Sat 31 May 14

mike1990 says...

dazzastfc wrote:
jillyh wrote:
Quite simple the money is coming from the supporters' hard earned money
Season ticket sales will fund some of it. I would rather see my money spent on well needed new players.
Spot on mate....
looks like a season of loan players again,,,,
Another season of WORK IN PROGRESS ??...
what a crock of shat
Spot on Dazza, looks like we'll be a Work in progress for as long has the two Cowboys are running our club,as you summed it up a crock of shat in progress.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Quite simple the money is coming from the supporters' hard earned money Season ticket sales will fund some of it. I would rather see my money spent on well needed new players.[/p][/quote]Spot on mate.... looks like a season of loan players again,,,, Another season of WORK IN PROGRESS ??... what a crock of shat[/p][/quote]Spot on Dazza, looks like we'll be a Work in progress for as long has the two Cowboys are running our club,as you summed it up a crock of shat in progress. mike1990
  • Score: -5

9:16pm Sat 31 May 14

dazzastfc says...

jillyh wrote:
Quite simple the money is coming from the supporters' hard earned money
Season ticket sales will fund some of it. I would rather see my money spent on well needed new players.
How on earth can you STUPID PEOPLE dislike this post....

YOU LOT ARE A JOKE
[quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Quite simple the money is coming from the supporters' hard earned money Season ticket sales will fund some of it. I would rather see my money spent on well needed new players.[/p][/quote]How on earth can you STUPID PEOPLE dislike this post.... YOU LOT ARE A JOKE dazzastfc
  • Score: -6

11:43pm Sat 31 May 14

mug? says...

London Red wrote:
One question is why didn't Wray and his consortium come in for us?
.
If Black wanted out - I'm sure he would have sold to Wray
.
I thought Brum were only selling 25% - so they won't control the club
.
Still that's all in the past now - we need to look forward and as long as things go well in the Jed spat for Power - I honestly think he has the potential to go down as our best chairman - as he is a football man and everything he aims to do is about sucess on the field - without killing it off the field
Far bigger crowds and potential earning potential?
Realistic premiership prospects.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: One question is why didn't Wray and his consortium come in for us? . If Black wanted out - I'm sure he would have sold to Wray . I thought Brum were only selling 25% - so they won't control the club . Still that's all in the past now - we need to look forward and as long as things go well in the Jed spat for Power - I honestly think he has the potential to go down as our best chairman - as he is a football man and everything he aims to do is about sucess on the field - without killing it off the field[/p][/quote]Far bigger crowds and potential earning potential? Realistic premiership prospects. mug?
  • Score: 0

5:27am Sun 1 Jun 14

Harleyred says...

I think you two faced tossers have got short memories , can you not remember how many people stayed behind to see PDC celebrate with the fans . The exciting football that was played . The preparation put in to detail so the players did not get surprised by the team they were playing . It was upbeat and enjoyable . What have we got now CRAP TIP TAP SH!T with more passes going back than there is going forward , playing a way that the players we have are not good enough. A puppet as a manager . Would PDC have put up with the sh!t defenders Hall and Ward , I don't think so , and I do believe if he had stayed we would have gone up . FACT the results after he left was no better than relegation form . So I would love to have wray and PDC back .Cooper is a complete waist of time just look at his tactics all one way back back back forward then back back to Wes absolute CRAP .with power in charge it won't change and cooper will be licking his arse yes sir yes sir .
I think you two faced tossers have got short memories , can you not remember how many people stayed behind to see PDC celebrate with the fans . The exciting football that was played . The preparation put in to detail so the players did not get surprised by the team they were playing . It was upbeat and enjoyable . What have we got now CRAP TIP TAP SH!T with more passes going back than there is going forward , playing a way that the players we have are not good enough. A puppet as a manager . Would PDC have put up with the sh!t defenders Hall and Ward , I don't think so , and I do believe if he had stayed we would have gone up . FACT the results after he left was no better than relegation form . So I would love to have wray and PDC back .Cooper is a complete waist of time just look at his tactics all one way back back back forward then back back to Wes absolute CRAP .with power in charge it won't change and cooper will be licking his arse yes sir yes sir . Harleyred
  • Score: -3

8:32am Sun 1 Jun 14

Chish and Fips says...

dazzastfc wrote:
jillyh wrote:
Quite simple the money is coming from the supporters' hard earned money
Season ticket sales will fund some of it. I would rather see my money spent on well needed new players.
How on earth can you STUPID PEOPLE dislike this post....

YOU LOT ARE A JOKE
I'm afraid it may be the case that the 'stupid' ones are those who don't realise that others may have different opinions from our own.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Quite simple the money is coming from the supporters' hard earned money Season ticket sales will fund some of it. I would rather see my money spent on well needed new players.[/p][/quote]How on earth can you STUPID PEOPLE dislike this post.... YOU LOT ARE A JOKE[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it may be the case that the 'stupid' ones are those who don't realise that others may have different opinions from our own. Chish and Fips
  • Score: 2

2:50pm Sun 1 Jun 14

London Red says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
jillyh wrote:
Quite simple the money is coming from the supporters' hard earned money
Season ticket sales will fund some of it. I would rather see my money spent on well needed new players.
How on earth can you STUPID PEOPLE dislike this post....

YOU LOT ARE A JOKE
I'm afraid it may be the case that the 'stupid' ones are those who don't realise that others may have different opinions from our own.
Or the fact some people still don't understand what a loss making club means!
.
Even if we only take recent history of about 2008 onwards when Fitton and Co took over - we have been making an operating loss every year and bar one season bottom line loss to the tune of £1m plus EACH SEASON!
.
Now who do you think has been covering those losses?
.
No not the supporters season ticket money - but our owners!
.
First it was Black and Sir Arbib, then Black on his own and last season it was Lee Power!
.
Yes Lee Power suck his hand in his pocket and spent over £1m keep the club afloat - and guess what if we make a loss this year - he will be doing it again!
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Quite simple the money is coming from the supporters' hard earned money Season ticket sales will fund some of it. I would rather see my money spent on well needed new players.[/p][/quote]How on earth can you STUPID PEOPLE dislike this post.... YOU LOT ARE A JOKE[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it may be the case that the 'stupid' ones are those who don't realise that others may have different opinions from our own.[/p][/quote]Or the fact some people still don't understand what a loss making club means! . Even if we only take recent history of about 2008 onwards when Fitton and Co took over - we have been making an operating loss every year and bar one season bottom line loss to the tune of £1m plus EACH SEASON! . Now who do you think has been covering those losses? . No not the supporters season ticket money - but our owners! . First it was Black and Sir Arbib, then Black on his own and last season it was Lee Power! . Yes Lee Power suck his hand in his pocket and spent over £1m keep the club afloat - and guess what if we make a loss this year - he will be doing it again! London Red
  • Score: 2

7:41pm Sun 1 Jun 14

London Red says...

mug? wrote:
London Red wrote:
One question is why didn't Wray and his consortium come in for us?
.
If Black wanted out - I'm sure he would have sold to Wray
.
I thought Brum were only selling 25% - so they won't control the club
.
Still that's all in the past now - we need to look forward and as long as things go well in the Jed spat for Power - I honestly think he has the potential to go down as our best chairman - as he is a football man and everything he aims to do is about sucess on the field - without killing it off the field
Far bigger crowds and potential earning potential?
Realistic premiership prospects.
Don't they also have bigger debts and are totally screwed - as a "jimmy glass" moment was needed to save them shows
.
Can't see them getting any better soon as they have no saleable asset remaining
.
Plus anyone buying in is getting into bed with Carson Yeung
[quote][p][bold]mug?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: One question is why didn't Wray and his consortium come in for us? . If Black wanted out - I'm sure he would have sold to Wray . I thought Brum were only selling 25% - so they won't control the club . Still that's all in the past now - we need to look forward and as long as things go well in the Jed spat for Power - I honestly think he has the potential to go down as our best chairman - as he is a football man and everything he aims to do is about sucess on the field - without killing it off the field[/p][/quote]Far bigger crowds and potential earning potential? Realistic premiership prospects.[/p][/quote]Don't they also have bigger debts and are totally screwed - as a "jimmy glass" moment was needed to save them shows . Can't see them getting any better soon as they have no saleable asset remaining . Plus anyone buying in is getting into bed with Carson Yeung London Red
  • Score: 0

10:17am Tue 3 Jun 14

the wizard says...

Harleyred wrote:
I think you two faced tossers have got short memories , can you not remember how many people stayed behind to see PDC celebrate with the fans . The exciting football that was played . The preparation put in to detail so the players did not get surprised by the team they were playing . It was upbeat and enjoyable . What have we got now CRAP TIP TAP SH!T with more passes going back than there is going forward , playing a way that the players we have are not good enough. A puppet as a manager . Would PDC have put up with the sh!t defenders Hall and Ward , I don't think so , and I do believe if he had stayed we would have gone up . FACT the results after he left was no better than relegation form . So I would love to have wray and PDC back .Cooper is a complete waist of time just look at his tactics all one way back back back forward then back back to Wes absolute CRAP .with power in charge it won't change and cooper will be licking his arse yes sir yes sir .
Typical downbeat negative sort of post we have come to expect from T055ER5 like you, who would merrily see the club bankrupt. Now remind me,how many players did PDC sign, and for how much ? and what have we received in fees from them moving on, just how much did he spend ? and just how ready were you to step in and take up the slack when Black left, and oh yes with a thrown together side we finished in the top half very comfortably, and although Cooper may have got it wrong for a while, I'd choose him over you as manager, EVERYTIME, so would the majority on here too. Realism and running the club so its here next season was the order of the day, and Power and Cooper managed that very well, would just to see you at Powers door asking for the managers job, why not give it a whirl, if you are so good and have that amount of faith in your ability.
[quote][p][bold]Harleyred[/bold] wrote: I think you two faced tossers have got short memories , can you not remember how many people stayed behind to see PDC celebrate with the fans . The exciting football that was played . The preparation put in to detail so the players did not get surprised by the team they were playing . It was upbeat and enjoyable . What have we got now CRAP TIP TAP SH!T with more passes going back than there is going forward , playing a way that the players we have are not good enough. A puppet as a manager . Would PDC have put up with the sh!t defenders Hall and Ward , I don't think so , and I do believe if he had stayed we would have gone up . FACT the results after he left was no better than relegation form . So I would love to have wray and PDC back .Cooper is a complete waist of time just look at his tactics all one way back back back forward then back back to Wes absolute CRAP .with power in charge it won't change and cooper will be licking his arse yes sir yes sir .[/p][/quote]Typical downbeat negative sort of post we have come to expect from T055ER5 like you, who would merrily see the club bankrupt. Now remind me,how many players did PDC sign, and for how much ? and what have we received in fees from them moving on, just how much did he spend ? and just how ready were you to step in and take up the slack when Black left, and oh yes with a thrown together side we finished in the top half very comfortably, and although Cooper may have got it wrong for a while, I'd choose him over you as manager, EVERYTIME, so would the majority on here too. Realism and running the club so its here next season was the order of the day, and Power and Cooper managed that very well, would just to see you at Powers door asking for the managers job, why not give it a whirl, if you are so good and have that amount of faith in your ability. the wizard
  • Score: 3

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