Cooper thinks Town’s style of football is an advantage in loaning top league talent

Town boss Mark Cooper

Town boss Mark Cooper

First published in STFC News by

PREMIER League clubs will be encouraged to send their young starlets to Swindon Town because “they’re going to eat with a knife and fork and not scrape their food off the floor”.

That’s the opinion of Town manager Mark Cooper, whose analogy relates to his side’s style of play rather than any activity in the County Ground canteen.

Cooper and Swindon owner Lee Power are actively pursuing four top-flight youngsters, including the Southampton pair of Jack Stephens and Jordan Turnbull, Liverpool’s Brad Smith and an as-yet unnamed striker.

And the Robins boss feels that the best teams in the land will be more likely to lend Town their up-and-coming talent because Swindon can offer a hearty footballing education.

He said: “You’re always looking at every club – you’re looking at every Premiership team and see whether you can tap into their resources. I think where we have an advantage is the way we play.

“Premier League managers know that if their players come here they’re going to eat with a knife and fork and not scrape their food off the floor in terms of football. That gives us a chance of getting young players in.”

Aston Villa arrive in Wiltshire this afternoon for Town’s final test ahead of the start of the new campaign and Cooper has been satisfied by the pre-season so far.

“I think Villa were looking for a game and luckily enough we managed to get in first and take the fixture,” he said.

“I thought the Leeds game was a realistic test. They were very workmanlike and worked very hard, they had the respect to close us down for 90 minutes. With Dave, they knew how we were going to play and they tried to press us all over the pitch, which was great. It was what we wanted.

“Once we’re in tight situations we’ve got to work out how to get out of them and that was a realistic test the other night. The result was not quite right but it could quite easily have gone the other way.

“We’ve still got nine days and we’ve got to try to get their sharpness us and making them really ready for August 9. I can’t wait. When the start of the football season comes around it’s fantastic. It seems like we’ve been waiting a long time since the Rotherham game and we’re really looking forward it.”

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7:26am Sat 2 Aug 14

The Nomis says...

Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13
Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13 The Nomis
  • Score: -54

7:36am Sat 2 Aug 14

castle9 says...

The Nomis wrote:
Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13
Why are you bothered, you have already said you are not going to attend any matches on another thread?


Did it ever occur to you that there might be a direct correlation between season ticket sales and our ability to bring in players?? Thought not.


Power is the Owner but he is no Abramovich and therefore the Club need all the support it can get - and by support I mean paying customers.
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13[/p][/quote]Why are you bothered, you have already said you are not going to attend any matches on another thread? Did it ever occur to you that there might be a direct correlation between season ticket sales and our ability to bring in players?? Thought not. Power is the Owner but he is no Abramovich and therefore the Club need all the support it can get - and by support I mean paying customers. castle9
  • Score: 61

7:53am Sat 2 Aug 14

nosyrudeman says...

The Nomis wrote:
Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13
A ball has not been kicked in the league yet, and here we have one of the moaning brigade already having their say. Let me tell you we don't need your support if all you do is criticise with predjudice.

Why don't you sit in front of your TV and watch your favourite Premier side on Sky and leave the honest fans who go to the games to judge their team.

I've seen the good and bad times since 1961, and boy when it was bad it was bad and I have never said I would not go again, because it is my team and it is the one that I love. I don't have a second team that I support in the immoral PL.

STFC for me until I die.
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13[/p][/quote]A ball has not been kicked in the league yet, and here we have one of the moaning brigade already having their say. Let me tell you we don't need your support if all you do is criticise with predjudice. Why don't you sit in front of your TV and watch your favourite Premier side on Sky and leave the honest fans who go to the games to judge their team. I've seen the good and bad times since 1961, and boy when it was bad it was bad and I have never said I would not go again, because it is my team and it is the one that I love. I don't have a second team that I support in the immoral PL. STFC for me until I die. nosyrudeman
  • Score: 71

8:05am Sat 2 Aug 14

The Nomis says...

Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!!
Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!! The Nomis
  • Score: -56

8:18am Sat 2 Aug 14

Chish and Fips says...

The Nomis wrote:
Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!!
You lost your credit as soon as you start the unnecessary name calling - you may have a point, but rubbing people up the wrong way is not the way to debate.
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!![/p][/quote]You lost your credit as soon as you start the unnecessary name calling - you may have a point, but rubbing people up the wrong way is not the way to debate. Chish and Fips
  • Score: 33

8:18am Sat 2 Aug 14

EastleazeRed says...

Activity pursuing , but not getting anywhere . A lot of talk nothing to show for it . Still very thin on the ground ,
Activity pursuing , but not getting anywhere . A lot of talk nothing to show for it . Still very thin on the ground , EastleazeRed
  • Score: -12

8:20am Sat 2 Aug 14

castle9 says...

The Nomis wrote:
Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!!
The trouble with negs like you is that:

a) You resort to name calling
b) You don't even attend matches anyway
c) You never have a positive constructive suggestion
d) You take delight in seeing 'your' Club struggle just so you can say "I told you so"
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!![/p][/quote]The trouble with negs like you is that: a) You resort to name calling b) You don't even attend matches anyway c) You never have a positive constructive suggestion d) You take delight in seeing 'your' Club struggle just so you can say "I told you so" castle9
  • Score: 36

8:22am Sat 2 Aug 14

umpcah says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
Activity pursuing , but not getting anywhere . A lot of talk nothing to show for it . Still very thin on the ground ,
Still very thin on the ground ? Most of us will agree including Coops ! I expect a busy week for lower league teams in the transfer market and remain patient.
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Activity pursuing , but not getting anywhere . A lot of talk nothing to show for it . Still very thin on the ground ,[/p][/quote]Still very thin on the ground ? Most of us will agree including Coops ! I expect a busy week for lower league teams in the transfer market and remain patient. umpcah
  • Score: 17

8:27am Sat 2 Aug 14

bhred says...

I fear this is the only silverware we'll see this season
I fear this is the only silverware we'll see this season bhred
  • Score: 20

8:33am Sat 2 Aug 14

akershaker says...

The Nomis wrote:
Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!!
Actually, the real problem us "dick heads" have is that we had to read all this negative rubbish last summer, and then we finished one place away from the playoffs. And if you think that's a bad season then three-quarters of all clubs have a bad season ever year.
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!![/p][/quote]Actually, the real problem us "dick heads" have is that we had to read all this negative rubbish last summer, and then we finished one place away from the playoffs. And if you think that's a bad season then three-quarters of all clubs have a bad season ever year. akershaker
  • Score: 77

8:38am Sat 2 Aug 14

Penhill54 says...

nosyrudeman wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13
A ball has not been kicked in the league yet, and here we have one of the moaning brigade already having their say. Let me tell you we don't need your support if all you do is criticise with predjudice.

Why don't you sit in front of your TV and watch your favourite Premier side on Sky and leave the honest fans who go to the games to judge their team.

I've seen the good and bad times since 1961, and boy when it was bad it was bad and I have never said I would not go again, because it is my team and it is the one that I love. I don't have a second team that I support in the immoral PL.

STFC for me until I die.
Quite agree, like you nosyrudeman, I have watched the Town since 1961 and I have never supported another team. There have always been good and bad times but I would never turn my back on my team. I now live in Southampton and could quite easily go to Premier League games but I have a season ticket at Swindon and would prefer the 140 mile round trip to see Swindon v Scunthorpe etc., as opposed to Southampton v Man U etc.,
[quote][p][bold]nosyrudeman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13[/p][/quote]A ball has not been kicked in the league yet, and here we have one of the moaning brigade already having their say. Let me tell you we don't need your support if all you do is criticise with predjudice. Why don't you sit in front of your TV and watch your favourite Premier side on Sky and leave the honest fans who go to the games to judge their team. I've seen the good and bad times since 1961, and boy when it was bad it was bad and I have never said I would not go again, because it is my team and it is the one that I love. I don't have a second team that I support in the immoral PL. STFC for me until I die.[/p][/quote]Quite agree, like you nosyrudeman, I have watched the Town since 1961 and I have never supported another team. There have always been good and bad times but I would never turn my back on my team. I now live in Southampton and could quite easily go to Premier League games but I have a season ticket at Swindon and would prefer the 140 mile round trip to see Swindon v Scunthorpe etc., as opposed to Southampton v Man U etc., Penhill54
  • Score: 44

8:51am Sat 2 Aug 14

Swindon1984 says...

Penhill54 wrote:
nosyrudeman wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13
A ball has not been kicked in the league yet, and here we have one of the moaning brigade already having their say. Let me tell you we don't need your support if all you do is criticise with predjudice.

Why don't you sit in front of your TV and watch your favourite Premier side on Sky and leave the honest fans who go to the games to judge their team.

I've seen the good and bad times since 1961, and boy when it was bad it was bad and I have never said I would not go again, because it is my team and it is the one that I love. I don't have a second team that I support in the immoral PL.

STFC for me until I die.
Quite agree, like you nosyrudeman, I have watched the Town since 1961 and I have never supported another team. There have always been good and bad times but I would never turn my back on my team. I now live in Southampton and could quite easily go to Premier League games but I have a season ticket at Swindon and would prefer the 140 mile round trip to see Swindon v Scunthorpe etc., as opposed to Southampton v Man U etc.,
Quite agree, have lived in that general direction for years and have several premiership and championship clubs closer than Swindon, London and the South being closer to me than Wiltshire, but wouldn't trade town for anything. If it's just about going for the entertainment rather than supporting a team that means something to you, then it's not football anymore, it'd be no different than going to the cinema or whatever just to kill a bit of time on a Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Penhill54[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nosyrudeman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13[/p][/quote]A ball has not been kicked in the league yet, and here we have one of the moaning brigade already having their say. Let me tell you we don't need your support if all you do is criticise with predjudice. Why don't you sit in front of your TV and watch your favourite Premier side on Sky and leave the honest fans who go to the games to judge their team. I've seen the good and bad times since 1961, and boy when it was bad it was bad and I have never said I would not go again, because it is my team and it is the one that I love. I don't have a second team that I support in the immoral PL. STFC for me until I die.[/p][/quote]Quite agree, like you nosyrudeman, I have watched the Town since 1961 and I have never supported another team. There have always been good and bad times but I would never turn my back on my team. I now live in Southampton and could quite easily go to Premier League games but I have a season ticket at Swindon and would prefer the 140 mile round trip to see Swindon v Scunthorpe etc., as opposed to Southampton v Man U etc.,[/p][/quote]Quite agree, have lived in that general direction for years and have several premiership and championship clubs closer than Swindon, London and the South being closer to me than Wiltshire, but wouldn't trade town for anything. If it's just about going for the entertainment rather than supporting a team that means something to you, then it's not football anymore, it'd be no different than going to the cinema or whatever just to kill a bit of time on a Saturday. Swindon1984
  • Score: 27

10:06am Sat 2 Aug 14

Robinonfire says...

Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea
m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.
Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea m on Power and glove puppet Cooper. Robinonfire
  • Score: -28

10:50am Sat 2 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

Robinonfire wrote:
Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea

m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.
Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing,

(Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.)

We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.
[quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.[/p][/quote]Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing, (Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.) We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club. Cleuso
  • Score: 15

10:59am Sat 2 Aug 14

We are PANTS says...

akershaker wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!!
Actually, the real problem us "dick heads" have is that we had to read all this negative rubbish last summer, and then we finished one place away from the playoffs. And if you think that's a bad season then three-quarters of all clubs have a bad season ever year.
I wonder if Nomis is Grim? Strange that you never get them both on here consecutively !!! There's your Que, chuckle brothers!!
[quote][p][bold]akershaker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!![/p][/quote]Actually, the real problem us "dick heads" have is that we had to read all this negative rubbish last summer, and then we finished one place away from the playoffs. And if you think that's a bad season then three-quarters of all clubs have a bad season ever year.[/p][/quote]I wonder if Nomis is Grim? Strange that you never get them both on here consecutively !!! There's your Que, chuckle brothers!! We are PANTS
  • Score: 4

11:13am Sat 2 Aug 14

itslove says...

This is a mess , loan players are no good they have no loyalty to our club . They are just keeping warm hoping for a place at their home club . It only means something if you belong to the club , we own you . We are looking to loan 4 who will come in and tread water . If we go 1 or 2 down there is no fight there . Big clubs are happy to farm these young stars out to us , we have to pay to use them , and playing for us is better than reserve football . 1 loanee may be ok , if not that im for owning your players . I think we will struggle again . There is no money here , Black sold us out to the first buyer . Cant blame him, we wasted his dosh . I think Cooper will find that most clubs eat with a knife and fork and there are a lot of better run clubs in div 1 and 2 than us . Weve just had a court mess over ownership . Powers got no more money we are skint .
This is a mess , loan players are no good they have no loyalty to our club . They are just keeping warm hoping for a place at their home club . It only means something if you belong to the club , we own you . We are looking to loan 4 who will come in and tread water . If we go 1 or 2 down there is no fight there . Big clubs are happy to farm these young stars out to us , we have to pay to use them , and playing for us is better than reserve football . 1 loanee may be ok , if not that im for owning your players . I think we will struggle again . There is no money here , Black sold us out to the first buyer . Cant blame him, we wasted his dosh . I think Cooper will find that most clubs eat with a knife and fork and there are a lot of better run clubs in div 1 and 2 than us . Weve just had a court mess over ownership . Powers got no more money we are skint . itslove
  • Score: -11

11:22am Sat 2 Aug 14

The Spurs Farmer says...

We are PANTS wrote:
akershaker wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!!
Actually, the real problem us "dick heads" have is that we had to read all this negative rubbish last summer, and then we finished one place away from the playoffs. And if you think that's a bad season then three-quarters of all clubs have a bad season ever year.
I wonder if Nomis is Grim? Strange that you never get them both on here consecutively !!! There's your Que, chuckle brothers!!
Will Grim please confirm or deny whether he is actually Nomis, , now please!
[quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]akershaker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!![/p][/quote]Actually, the real problem us "dick heads" have is that we had to read all this negative rubbish last summer, and then we finished one place away from the playoffs. And if you think that's a bad season then three-quarters of all clubs have a bad season ever year.[/p][/quote]I wonder if Nomis is Grim? Strange that you never get them both on here consecutively !!! There's your Que, chuckle brothers!![/p][/quote]Will Grim please confirm or deny whether he is actually Nomis, , now please! The Spurs Farmer
  • Score: 1

11:54am Sat 2 Aug 14

red white says...

The Spurs Farmer wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
akershaker wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!!
Actually, the real problem us "dick heads" have is that we had to read all this negative rubbish last summer, and then we finished one place away from the playoffs. And if you think that's a bad season then three-quarters of all clubs have a bad season ever year.
I wonder if Nomis is Grim? Strange that you never get them both on here consecutively !!! There's your Que, chuckle brothers!!
Will Grim please confirm or deny whether he is actually Nomis, , now please!
simoN,the tart,looks like a pox fan.

We are Swindon Town,one of the greatest football clubs in the world.

Ask anyone,hang on.... but we are though.
[quote][p][bold]The Spurs Farmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]akershaker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!![/p][/quote]Actually, the real problem us "dick heads" have is that we had to read all this negative rubbish last summer, and then we finished one place away from the playoffs. And if you think that's a bad season then three-quarters of all clubs have a bad season ever year.[/p][/quote]I wonder if Nomis is Grim? Strange that you never get them both on here consecutively !!! There's your Que, chuckle brothers!![/p][/quote]Will Grim please confirm or deny whether he is actually Nomis, , now please![/p][/quote]simoN,the tart,looks like a pox fan. We are Swindon Town,one of the greatest football clubs in the world. Ask anyone,hang on.... but we are though. red white
  • Score: 2

11:56am Sat 2 Aug 14

lifelong red says...

Yes we do look a bit thin on the ground at the moment , but I'm sure that Cooper/ Power are well aware of this , so I would expect some action before the big K. O. . looking back to the latter part of last season , and the games against Brentford- Preston- Sheff U- and even Rotherham that we lost , in all those games we showed grit , determination , character, and a willingness to fight for the shirt , mixed with some excellent football , if we can carry that kind of attitude - mentality into the new season , then I'm sure we"ll have a very good season . Consistency is the key word .
Yes we do look a bit thin on the ground at the moment , but I'm sure that Cooper/ Power are well aware of this , so I would expect some action before the big K. O. . looking back to the latter part of last season , and the games against Brentford- Preston- Sheff U- and even Rotherham that we lost , in all those games we showed grit , determination , character, and a willingness to fight for the shirt , mixed with some excellent football , if we can carry that kind of attitude - mentality into the new season , then I'm sure we"ll have a very good season . Consistency is the key word . lifelong red
  • Score: 9

12:12pm Sat 2 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

Hoping to see the 4 loanees confirmed soon and in time to gel with the team.

I have nothing against the use of loanees but it would nice not to have rely on so many. If all 4 are to be regular starters (and especially if that is stipulated as a condition of their loan) then it does affect the balance of the team.

Having said that I understand the constraints Power is under and do feel that we are benefitting from his footballing connections. You've only got to look at the quality of the friendlies to see that.
Hoping to see the 4 loanees confirmed soon and in time to gel with the team. I have nothing against the use of loanees but it would nice not to have rely on so many. If all 4 are to be regular starters (and especially if that is stipulated as a condition of their loan) then it does affect the balance of the team. Having said that I understand the constraints Power is under and do feel that we are benefitting from his footballing connections. You've only got to look at the quality of the friendlies to see that. mancrobin
  • Score: 9

12:39pm Sat 2 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

Cleuso wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea


m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.
Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing,

(Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.)

We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.
1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.[/p][/quote]Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing, (Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.) We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.[/p][/quote]1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will.. dazzastfc
  • Score: -11

12:54pm Sat 2 Aug 14

castle9 says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea



m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.
Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing,

(Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.)

We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.
1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..
Your view of MCs tactics is based on what football management experience? Playstation? Football Mgr? XBox?
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.[/p][/quote]Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing, (Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.) We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.[/p][/quote]1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..[/p][/quote]Your view of MCs tactics is based on what football management experience? Playstation? Football Mgr? XBox? castle9
  • Score: 11

1:03pm Sat 2 Aug 14

buckobassettboy says...

Well the fors and against are out in force-no problem with that and we are all entitled to our opinion. I have followed since 64-up,down,sideways etc.I personally have no appetite for stfc anymore because of the continual deceit,broken promises,lies.court case.This just sums up the current mind set and business acumen that the incumbent possess.Only when the whole club is evacuated from top to bottom will the club move forward.If anyone thinks that the current management and owners give a toss about the fanbase then you are very much deluded.Just an opinion.
Well the fors and against are out in force-no problem with that and we are all entitled to our opinion. I have followed since 64-up,down,sideways etc.I personally have no appetite for stfc anymore because of the continual deceit,broken promises,lies.court case.This just sums up the current mind set and business acumen that the incumbent possess.Only when the whole club is evacuated from top to bottom will the club move forward.If anyone thinks that the current management and owners give a toss about the fanbase then you are very much deluded.Just an opinion. buckobassettboy
  • Score: -8

1:12pm Sat 2 Aug 14

pastor_of_muppets says...

The Nomis wrote:
Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!!
As a true Swindon fan, I'm concerned we might struggle to get our squad playing as a team this season and we may get bullied on the pitch thanks to the number of loans and our relative inexperience. Difference between you and I, however, is that I'll be delighted to be proved wrong and will derive no pleasure whatsoever in being proved right. I'm also willing to give our new model time to prove itself capable of creating a better team. Finally I'll also go to every game I possibly can and will do exactly the same next season no matter what happens. NO MATTER WHAT (that needs reiterating). No I told you so if things go wrong, because I care about this club
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!![/p][/quote]As a true Swindon fan, I'm concerned we might struggle to get our squad playing as a team this season and we may get bullied on the pitch thanks to the number of loans and our relative inexperience. Difference between you and I, however, is that I'll be delighted to be proved wrong and will derive no pleasure whatsoever in being proved right. I'm also willing to give our new model time to prove itself capable of creating a better team. Finally I'll also go to every game I possibly can and will do exactly the same next season no matter what happens. NO MATTER WHAT (that needs reiterating). No I told you so if things go wrong, because I care about this club pastor_of_muppets
  • Score: 11

1:13pm Sat 2 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

castle9 wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea




m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.
Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing,

(Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.)

We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.
1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..
Your view of MCs tactics is based on what football management experience? Playstation? Football Mgr? XBox?
WATCHING STFC..HOW FRUCKING THICK CAN YOU GET...

playstation footballmanager xbox WHAT A D!CK
[quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.[/p][/quote]Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing, (Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.) We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.[/p][/quote]1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..[/p][/quote]Your view of MCs tactics is based on what football management experience? Playstation? Football Mgr? XBox?[/p][/quote]WATCHING STFC..HOW FRUCKING THICK CAN YOU GET... playstation footballmanager xbox WHAT A D!CK dazzastfc
  • Score: -15

1:51pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Since 1950 says...

There are a few reasons, I believe, why season ticket sales have dropped and why turn up on the day/cassual support will be down next season. Before anyone comments, I bought mine at the earliest opportunity to save money.

Yes, some can be attributed to the court case and the 'who owns the club' debacle a few weeks ago. However, I believe it is the perceived lack of ambition that has driven most away. That and the fact that we're relying on kids and other teams players to get through the season, combined with the knowledge that we are now a 'shop window' club. The dream of the Championship is fading and the Prem. is but a distant memory never to be revisited.

People want to go and see their own club play, not someone else's. They want to see the club squad built on and the best players kept, not the threat of seeing them sold on. A lot of the fans have had enough of that in the past and don't want it again.

This is the chink in the armour of the vision for sustainability. Can you still attract the fans week in week out. If you can't then there is no sustainability.

COYR!
There are a few reasons, I believe, why season ticket sales have dropped and why turn up on the day/cassual support will be down next season. Before anyone comments, I bought mine at the earliest opportunity to save money. Yes, some can be attributed to the court case and the 'who owns the club' debacle a few weeks ago. However, I believe it is the perceived lack of ambition that has driven most away. That and the fact that we're relying on kids and other teams players to get through the season, combined with the knowledge that we are now a 'shop window' club. The dream of the Championship is fading and the Prem. is but a distant memory never to be revisited. People want to go and see their own club play, not someone else's. They want to see the club squad built on and the best players kept, not the threat of seeing them sold on. A lot of the fans have had enough of that in the past and don't want it again. This is the chink in the armour of the vision for sustainability. Can you still attract the fans week in week out. If you can't then there is no sustainability. COYR! Since 1950
  • Score: 11

1:52pm Sat 2 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Cleuso wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea


m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.
Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing,

(Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.)

We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.
Yes Cleuso and what happened to Yeovil after the loanees left presumably? Oh yeah they got relegated didn't they?
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.[/p][/quote]Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing, (Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.) We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.[/p][/quote]Yes Cleuso and what happened to Yeovil after the loanees left presumably? Oh yeah they got relegated didn't they? The Jockster
  • Score: -4

2:03pm Sat 2 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans.
As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy!
Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans. As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy! The Jockster
  • Score: 0

2:30pm Sat 2 Aug 14

harley red says...

castle9 wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13
Why are you bothered, you have already said you are not going to attend any matches on another thread?


Did it ever occur to you that there might be a direct correlation between season ticket sales and our ability to bring in players?? Thought not.


Power is the Owner but he is no Abramovich and therefore the Club need all the support it can get - and by support I mean paying customers.
You talk crap the guy stated the facts which are what they are . We look a poor side with no real additions and the one player (Rodgers ) is a average player at best . I hope I'm wrong but I really think we will struggle ,and flirt with relegation . But time will tell , and I hate Stfc being used as a shop window for prem league teams , we have a long history and I don't like the way our club is heading . If power has no money , ask yourself why is he here . It's not for our benefit , he's here to make money .
[quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13[/p][/quote]Why are you bothered, you have already said you are not going to attend any matches on another thread? Did it ever occur to you that there might be a direct correlation between season ticket sales and our ability to bring in players?? Thought not. Power is the Owner but he is no Abramovich and therefore the Club need all the support it can get - and by support I mean paying customers.[/p][/quote]You talk crap the guy stated the facts which are what they are . We look a poor side with no real additions and the one player (Rodgers ) is a average player at best . I hope I'm wrong but I really think we will struggle ,and flirt with relegation . But time will tell , and I hate Stfc being used as a shop window for prem league teams , we have a long history and I don't like the way our club is heading . If power has no money , ask yourself why is he here . It's not for our benefit , he's here to make money . harley red
  • Score: -7

2:34pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea



m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.
Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing,

(Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.)

We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.
1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..
Yeovil were just the example used to show Robin on Fire, plenty of others have secured promotion using loan players ...

Luton and Benson for a start who you may recognise, who also had joe davis port vale, alfie mawson brentford,pelly ruddock west ham,kane ferdinand peterborough,ryan innis crystal palace,cameron mcgeehan Norwich,jernade Meade Swansea,Andrew Mangan forest green..

That's 9 loan players signed between August 2013 and April 2014... so you can't win promotion by signing loan players eh ?

Need any more examples to convince you and Robinon fire.

Johnson a good manager ??? Really ? Just ask dear old Northampton, then finishing bottom of the league makes him a good manager eh ? Just can't imagine you giving an STFC manager equal slack if we had been in that position.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.[/p][/quote]Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing, (Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.) We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.[/p][/quote]1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..[/p][/quote]Yeovil were just the example used to show Robin on Fire, plenty of others have secured promotion using loan players ... Luton and Benson for a start who you may recognise, who also had joe davis port vale, alfie mawson brentford,pelly ruddock west ham,kane ferdinand peterborough,ryan innis crystal palace,cameron mcgeehan Norwich,jernade Meade Swansea,Andrew Mangan forest green.. That's 9 loan players signed between August 2013 and April 2014... so you can't win promotion by signing loan players eh ? Need any more examples to convince you and Robinon fire. Johnson a good manager ??? Really ? Just ask dear old Northampton, then finishing bottom of the league makes him a good manager eh ? Just can't imagine you giving an STFC manager equal slack if we had been in that position. Cleuso
  • Score: 2

2:50pm Sat 2 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

The Jockster wrote:
Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans.
As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy!
I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power.

The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill.

Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click.

I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy.

COYR.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans. As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy![/p][/quote]I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power. The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill. Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click. I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy. COYR. mancrobin
  • Score: 7

2:51pm Sat 2 Aug 14

STFC Boyo says...

Can some1 tell me how to Liston 2 2day friendly match?
Can some1 tell me how to Liston 2 2day friendly match? STFC Boyo
  • Score: -2

2:54pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Chish and Fips says...

harley red wrote:
castle9 wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13
Why are you bothered, you have already said you are not going to attend any matches on another thread?


Did it ever occur to you that there might be a direct correlation between season ticket sales and our ability to bring in players?? Thought not.


Power is the Owner but he is no Abramovich and therefore the Club need all the support it can get - and by support I mean paying customers.
You talk crap the guy stated the facts which are what they are . We look a poor side with no real additions and the one player (Rodgers ) is a average player at best . I hope I'm wrong but I really think we will struggle ,and flirt with relegation . But time will tell , and I hate Stfc being used as a shop window for prem league teams , we have a long history and I don't like the way our club is heading . If power has no money , ask yourself why is he here . It's not for our benefit , he's here to make money .
Albert Tatlock has woken up it would appear :o(
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Yeah loads of premier players banging on our doors and being drafted in isn't there!!!!!!. 1 week to go.....Around 15 players released & sent out on loan, and ONE player signed perm and ONE in on a months loan!!....Really optimistic and excited for Scunthorpe next week. We lose our opening game and put up a struggling poor performance too then the fans are gonna turn Power& Cooper. Season tickets are down by 500, on the day support will be similar I guess, so that will be around 1,000 down on last seasons average gate. Be looking at averaging 6,500-7,000 this season which is way down on the 8,400 we averaged 3 seasons running 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13[/p][/quote]Why are you bothered, you have already said you are not going to attend any matches on another thread? Did it ever occur to you that there might be a direct correlation between season ticket sales and our ability to bring in players?? Thought not. Power is the Owner but he is no Abramovich and therefore the Club need all the support it can get - and by support I mean paying customers.[/p][/quote]You talk crap the guy stated the facts which are what they are . We look a poor side with no real additions and the one player (Rodgers ) is a average player at best . I hope I'm wrong but I really think we will struggle ,and flirt with relegation . But time will tell , and I hate Stfc being used as a shop window for prem league teams , we have a long history and I don't like the way our club is heading . If power has no money , ask yourself why is he here . It's not for our benefit , he's here to make money .[/p][/quote]Albert Tatlock has woken up it would appear :o( Chish and Fips
  • Score: 3

2:56pm Sat 2 Aug 14

candlestrobe says...

Given lack of funds, what else can the Management team do? Oh I know, why don't we all make a special wish and then the money will magically appear for at least 6 full-time signings on 2 year contracts,

Sorry, but some of you Moantards here are frankly ignorant.
Given lack of funds, what else can the Management team do? Oh I know, why don't we all make a special wish and then the money will magically appear for at least 6 full-time signings on 2 year contracts, Sorry, but some of you Moantards here are frankly ignorant. candlestrobe
  • Score: 7

3:19pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Since 1950 says...

mancrobin wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans.
As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy!
I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power.

The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill.

Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click.

I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy.

COYR.
Manc. I wasn't having a go at Power for one second. We are where we are. All I was saying was the perceived lack of ambition is keeping the season ticket sales down. Most of that I believe can be laid at the door of the manager. He doesn't exactly make resounding speeches, make positive comments on the future or instil confidence.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans. As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy![/p][/quote]I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power. The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill. Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click. I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy. COYR.[/p][/quote]Manc. I wasn't having a go at Power for one second. We are where we are. All I was saying was the perceived lack of ambition is keeping the season ticket sales down. Most of that I believe can be laid at the door of the manager. He doesn't exactly make resounding speeches, make positive comments on the future or instil confidence. Since 1950
  • Score: -1

3:25pm Sat 2 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

Cleuso wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea




m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.
Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing,

(Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.)

We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.
1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..
Yeovil were just the example used to show Robin on Fire, plenty of others have secured promotion using loan players ...

Luton and Benson for a start who you may recognise, who also had joe davis port vale, alfie mawson brentford,pelly ruddock west ham,kane ferdinand peterborough,ryan innis crystal palace,cameron mcgeehan Norwich,jernade Meade Swansea,Andrew Mangan forest green..

That's 9 loan players signed between August 2013 and April 2014... so you can't win promotion by signing loan players eh ?

Need any more examples to convince you and Robinon fire.

Johnson a good manager ??? Really ? Just ask dear old Northampton, then finishing bottom of the league makes him a good manager eh ? Just can't imagine you giving an STFC manager equal slack if we had been in that position.
LUTON That is your answer..
Thats the conference league were most clubs have to use loans as they are running on a lot smaller budget and income than we are or any league club
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.[/p][/quote]Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing, (Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.) We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.[/p][/quote]1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..[/p][/quote]Yeovil were just the example used to show Robin on Fire, plenty of others have secured promotion using loan players ... Luton and Benson for a start who you may recognise, who also had joe davis port vale, alfie mawson brentford,pelly ruddock west ham,kane ferdinand peterborough,ryan innis crystal palace,cameron mcgeehan Norwich,jernade Meade Swansea,Andrew Mangan forest green.. That's 9 loan players signed between August 2013 and April 2014... so you can't win promotion by signing loan players eh ? Need any more examples to convince you and Robinon fire. Johnson a good manager ??? Really ? Just ask dear old Northampton, then finishing bottom of the league makes him a good manager eh ? Just can't imagine you giving an STFC manager equal slack if we had been in that position.[/p][/quote]LUTON That is your answer.. Thats the conference league were most clubs have to use loans as they are running on a lot smaller budget and income than we are or any league club dazzastfc
  • Score: -8

3:48pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans.
As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy!
I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power.

The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill.

Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click.

I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy.

COYR.
Hard to argue with any of that, manc. But last season every time anyone on here complained about our unambitious football and the number of young/loan players, they were told to be patient, as we were in the process of building for 2014/15. So here we are on the cusp of that season and what have we built?

There doesn't even appear to be a likelihood of any building for 2015/16. We may be trying to borrow some good players but we don't appear to be looking to build a team of our own. Are we supposed to turn up every week just to watch the development of young players to be sold or returned to their own clubs to further their careers? Obviously I don't expect you to answer these questions but surely we are entitled to hear from the club about its plan for, say, three years from now. For all their faults, the Fitton consortium kept us informed of their plans (which appeared to be on course before the PDC express went completely out of control).

Most of us understand enough about the club's financial situation to appreciate that we can't go out and spend a lot of money on players. But how does that financial position prevent a relatively big third division club signing it's own relatively good third division players? Or are we worse off than most of our rivals? I doubt it somehow.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans. As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy![/p][/quote]I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power. The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill. Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click. I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy. COYR.[/p][/quote]Hard to argue with any of that, manc. But last season every time anyone on here complained about our unambitious football and the number of young/loan players, they were told to be patient, as we were in the process of building for 2014/15. So here we are on the cusp of that season and what have we built? There doesn't even appear to be a likelihood of any building for 2015/16. We may be trying to borrow some good players but we don't appear to be looking to build a team of our own. Are we supposed to turn up every week just to watch the development of young players to be sold or returned to their own clubs to further their careers? Obviously I don't expect you to answer these questions but surely we are entitled to hear from the club about its plan for, say, three years from now. For all their faults, the Fitton consortium kept us informed of their plans (which appeared to be on course before the PDC express went completely out of control). Most of us understand enough about the club's financial situation to appreciate that we can't go out and spend a lot of money on players. But how does that financial position prevent a relatively big third division club signing it's own relatively good third division players? Or are we worse off than most of our rivals? I doubt it somehow. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

3:59pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

The Jockster wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea



m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.
Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing,

(Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.)

We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.
Yes Cleuso and what happened to Yeovil after the loanees left presumably? Oh yeah they got relegated didn't they?
No they took on loads more .... Last season they had 20 loan players... we are nowhere near that number. As I said Luton utilised the loan market to gain promotion (9 of them), loads of other clubs have too, so that illustrates that Robinonfires original point you cant win with loan players is nothing but sheer rubbish.

Loan players do not guarantee success, neither do they prevent success, every club now uses that system now so why the angst just because we sign a few players on loan.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.[/p][/quote]Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing, (Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.) We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.[/p][/quote]Yes Cleuso and what happened to Yeovil after the loanees left presumably? Oh yeah they got relegated didn't they?[/p][/quote]No they took on loads more .... Last season they had 20 loan players... we are nowhere near that number. As I said Luton utilised the loan market to gain promotion (9 of them), loads of other clubs have too, so that illustrates that Robinonfires original point you cant win with loan players is nothing but sheer rubbish. Loan players do not guarantee success, neither do they prevent success, every club now uses that system now so why the angst just because we sign a few players on loan. Cleuso
  • Score: 5

4:09pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea





m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.
Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing,

(Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.)

We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.
1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..
Yeovil were just the example used to show Robin on Fire, plenty of others have secured promotion using loan players ...

Luton and Benson for a start who you may recognise, who also had joe davis port vale, alfie mawson brentford,pelly ruddock west ham,kane ferdinand peterborough,ryan innis crystal palace,cameron mcgeehan Norwich,jernade Meade Swansea,Andrew Mangan forest green..

That's 9 loan players signed between August 2013 and April 2014... so you can't win promotion by signing loan players eh ?

Need any more examples to convince you and Robinon fire.

Johnson a good manager ??? Really ? Just ask dear old Northampton, then finishing bottom of the league makes him a good manager eh ? Just can't imagine you giving an STFC manager equal slack if we had been in that position.
LUTON That is your answer..
Thats the conference league were most clubs have to use loans as they are running on a lot smaller budget and income than we are or any league club
Try QPR then if you are not happy with the Luton example. QPR had 8 loan players last season ... and didn't they get to the premier league unless I'm mistaken !
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.[/p][/quote]Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing, (Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.) We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.[/p][/quote]1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..[/p][/quote]Yeovil were just the example used to show Robin on Fire, plenty of others have secured promotion using loan players ... Luton and Benson for a start who you may recognise, who also had joe davis port vale, alfie mawson brentford,pelly ruddock west ham,kane ferdinand peterborough,ryan innis crystal palace,cameron mcgeehan Norwich,jernade Meade Swansea,Andrew Mangan forest green.. That's 9 loan players signed between August 2013 and April 2014... so you can't win promotion by signing loan players eh ? Need any more examples to convince you and Robinon fire. Johnson a good manager ??? Really ? Just ask dear old Northampton, then finishing bottom of the league makes him a good manager eh ? Just can't imagine you giving an STFC manager equal slack if we had been in that position.[/p][/quote]LUTON That is your answer.. Thats the conference league were most clubs have to use loans as they are running on a lot smaller budget and income than we are or any league club[/p][/quote]Try QPR then if you are not happy with the Luton example. QPR had 8 loan players last season ... and didn't they get to the premier league unless I'm mistaken ! Cleuso
  • Score: 2

4:26pm Sat 2 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Not arguing with any of the points you make, loans can work or they don't. The angst as you put it comes from the (to me) unpleasant reality that because we are becoming increasingly reliant on said loans we are consequently losing out identity as a club and there doesn't appear to be any end in sight to that scenario. Are we for example destined to be a player testing ground for premier clubs for the foreseeable future? I'd be fine if these youngsters were the product of our own resources - they'd be Swindon Town then but they're not and as such they're never going to be committed to the cause because they know they'll be paid whether they perform or not.
Not arguing with any of the points you make, loans can work or they don't. The angst as you put it comes from the (to me) unpleasant reality that because we are becoming increasingly reliant on said loans we are consequently losing out identity as a club and there doesn't appear to be any end in sight to that scenario. Are we for example destined to be a player testing ground for premier clubs for the foreseeable future? I'd be fine if these youngsters were the product of our own resources - they'd be Swindon Town then but they're not and as such they're never going to be committed to the cause because they know they'll be paid whether they perform or not. The Jockster
  • Score: -3

4:28pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Bassett Hound says...

Cleuso wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea






m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.
Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing,

(Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.)

We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.
1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..
Yeovil were just the example used to show Robin on Fire, plenty of others have secured promotion using loan players ...

Luton and Benson for a start who you may recognise, who also had joe davis port vale, alfie mawson brentford,pelly ruddock west ham,kane ferdinand peterborough,ryan innis crystal palace,cameron mcgeehan Norwich,jernade Meade Swansea,Andrew Mangan forest green..

That's 9 loan players signed between August 2013 and April 2014... so you can't win promotion by signing loan players eh ?

Need any more examples to convince you and Robinon fire.

Johnson a good manager ??? Really ? Just ask dear old Northampton, then finishing bottom of the league makes him a good manager eh ? Just can't imagine you giving an STFC manager equal slack if we had been in that position.
LUTON That is your answer..
Thats the conference league were most clubs have to use loans as they are running on a lot smaller budget and income than we are or any league club
Try QPR then if you are not happy with the Luton example. QPR had 8 loan players last season ... and didn't they get to the premier league unless I'm mistaken !
Yeovil also had 5/6 when they went up 2 seasons ago plus Watford reached the play off final with 9/10. In this day and age it is a must to use the loan system and has proved its worth many times.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.[/p][/quote]Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing, (Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.) We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.[/p][/quote]1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..[/p][/quote]Yeovil were just the example used to show Robin on Fire, plenty of others have secured promotion using loan players ... Luton and Benson for a start who you may recognise, who also had joe davis port vale, alfie mawson brentford,pelly ruddock west ham,kane ferdinand peterborough,ryan innis crystal palace,cameron mcgeehan Norwich,jernade Meade Swansea,Andrew Mangan forest green.. That's 9 loan players signed between August 2013 and April 2014... so you can't win promotion by signing loan players eh ? Need any more examples to convince you and Robinon fire. Johnson a good manager ??? Really ? Just ask dear old Northampton, then finishing bottom of the league makes him a good manager eh ? Just can't imagine you giving an STFC manager equal slack if we had been in that position.[/p][/quote]LUTON That is your answer.. Thats the conference league were most clubs have to use loans as they are running on a lot smaller budget and income than we are or any league club[/p][/quote]Try QPR then if you are not happy with the Luton example. QPR had 8 loan players last season ... and didn't they get to the premier league unless I'm mistaken ![/p][/quote]Yeovil also had 5/6 when they went up 2 seasons ago plus Watford reached the play off final with 9/10. In this day and age it is a must to use the loan system and has proved its worth many times. Bassett Hound
  • Score: 4

4:29pm Sat 2 Aug 14

NEWBURYREDS says...

LATEST 2 Villa 0. L Thompson & GLADWIN
LATEST 2 Villa 0. L Thompson & GLADWIN NEWBURYREDS
  • Score: 2

4:30pm Sat 2 Aug 14

NEWBURYREDS says...

LOL Make that 2-1
LOL Make that 2-1 NEWBURYREDS
  • Score: 0

4:35pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Since 1950 says...

3-1 Wilma!
3-1 Wilma! Since 1950
  • Score: -2

4:36pm Sat 2 Aug 14

NEWBURYREDS says...

3-1 Williams
3-1 Williams NEWBURYREDS
  • Score: 3

4:38pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Since 1950 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans.
As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy!
I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power.

The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill.

Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click.

I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy.

COYR.
Hard to argue with any of that, manc. But last season every time anyone on here complained about our unambitious football and the number of young/loan players, they were told to be patient, as we were in the process of building for 2014/15. So here we are on the cusp of that season and what have we built?

There doesn't even appear to be a likelihood of any building for 2015/16. We may be trying to borrow some good players but we don't appear to be looking to build a team of our own. Are we supposed to turn up every week just to watch the development of young players to be sold or returned to their own clubs to further their careers? Obviously I don't expect you to answer these questions but surely we are entitled to hear from the club about its plan for, say, three years from now. For all their faults, the Fitton consortium kept us informed of their plans (which appeared to be on course before the PDC express went completely out of control).

Most of us understand enough about the club's financial situation to appreciate that we can't go out and spend a lot of money on players. But how does that financial position prevent a relatively big third division club signing it's own relatively good third division players? Or are we worse off than most of our rivals? I doubt it somehow.
My thinking exactly Den!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans. As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy![/p][/quote]I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power. The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill. Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click. I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy. COYR.[/p][/quote]Hard to argue with any of that, manc. But last season every time anyone on here complained about our unambitious football and the number of young/loan players, they were told to be patient, as we were in the process of building for 2014/15. So here we are on the cusp of that season and what have we built? There doesn't even appear to be a likelihood of any building for 2015/16. We may be trying to borrow some good players but we don't appear to be looking to build a team of our own. Are we supposed to turn up every week just to watch the development of young players to be sold or returned to their own clubs to further their careers? Obviously I don't expect you to answer these questions but surely we are entitled to hear from the club about its plan for, say, three years from now. For all their faults, the Fitton consortium kept us informed of their plans (which appeared to be on course before the PDC express went completely out of control). Most of us understand enough about the club's financial situation to appreciate that we can't go out and spend a lot of money on players. But how does that financial position prevent a relatively big third division club signing it's own relatively good third division players? Or are we worse off than most of our rivals? I doubt it somehow.[/p][/quote]My thinking exactly Den! Since 1950
  • Score: 0

4:39pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Since 1950 says...

4 - 1 Gladwin
4 - 1 Gladwin Since 1950
  • Score: 1

4:42pm Sat 2 Aug 14

NEWBURYREDS says...

4-1 gladwin (2)
4-1 gladwin (2) NEWBURYREDS
  • Score: 0

4:42pm Sat 2 Aug 14

red white says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans.
As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy!
I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power.

The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill.

Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click.

I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy.

COYR.
Hard to argue with any of that, manc. But last season every time anyone on here complained about our unambitious football and the number of young/loan players, they were told to be patient, as we were in the process of building for 2014/15. So here we are on the cusp of that season and what have we built?

There doesn't even appear to be a likelihood of any building for 2015/16. We may be trying to borrow some good players but we don't appear to be looking to build a team of our own. Are we supposed to turn up every week just to watch the development of young players to be sold or returned to their own clubs to further their careers? Obviously I don't expect you to answer these questions but surely we are entitled to hear from the club about its plan for, say, three years from now. For all their faults, the Fitton consortium kept us informed of their plans (which appeared to be on course before the PDC express went completely out of control).

Most of us understand enough about the club's financial situation to appreciate that we can't go out and spend a lot of money on players. But how does that financial position prevent a relatively big third division club signing it's own relatively good third division players? Or are we worse off than most of our rivals? I doubt it somehow.
Sarfamtom fans wonder why they ever effin bothered with the academy.

The board count their money though,

Youuu Reds!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans. As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy![/p][/quote]I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power. The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill. Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click. I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy. COYR.[/p][/quote]Hard to argue with any of that, manc. But last season every time anyone on here complained about our unambitious football and the number of young/loan players, they were told to be patient, as we were in the process of building for 2014/15. So here we are on the cusp of that season and what have we built? There doesn't even appear to be a likelihood of any building for 2015/16. We may be trying to borrow some good players but we don't appear to be looking to build a team of our own. Are we supposed to turn up every week just to watch the development of young players to be sold or returned to their own clubs to further their careers? Obviously I don't expect you to answer these questions but surely we are entitled to hear from the club about its plan for, say, three years from now. For all their faults, the Fitton consortium kept us informed of their plans (which appeared to be on course before the PDC express went completely out of control). Most of us understand enough about the club's financial situation to appreciate that we can't go out and spend a lot of money on players. But how does that financial position prevent a relatively big third division club signing it's own relatively good third division players? Or are we worse off than most of our rivals? I doubt it somehow.[/p][/quote]Sarfamtom fans wonder why they ever effin bothered with the academy. The board count their money though, Youuu Reds! red white
  • Score: 0

5:06pm Sat 2 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

NEWBURYREDS wrote:
4-1 gladwin (2)
Good run out for the lads...
This could be a very good confidence booster for the lads
[quote][p][bold]NEWBURYREDS[/bold] wrote: 4-1 gladwin (2)[/p][/quote]Good run out for the lads... This could be a very good confidence booster for the lads dazzastfc
  • Score: 1

6:24pm Sat 2 Aug 14

castle9 says...

dazzastfc wrote:
castle9 wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea





m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.
Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing,

(Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.)

We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.
1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..
Your view of MCs tactics is based on what football management experience? Playstation? Football Mgr? XBox?
WATCHING STFC..HOW FRUCKING THICK CAN YOU GET...

playstation footballmanager xbox WHAT A D!CK
I was being ironic (look it up).

Sorry for the delayed response, I have been supporting my team this afternoon.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Loan players will not get us to the Championship....drea m on Power and glove puppet Cooper.[/p][/quote]Loan players worked for Yeovil when they got promotion, so your idea is purely based on .... absolutely nothing, (Other than your own personal campaign to criticise STFC.) We must be the ones in a dream if we think you are a REAL supporter of the club.[/p][/quote]1 TEAM in how many years plus they had a good spine to there team plus they have a good manager who has more tactics than are so called manager has or ever will..[/p][/quote]Your view of MCs tactics is based on what football management experience? Playstation? Football Mgr? XBox?[/p][/quote]WATCHING STFC..HOW FRUCKING THICK CAN YOU GET... playstation footballmanager xbox WHAT A D!CK[/p][/quote]I was being ironic (look it up). Sorry for the delayed response, I have been supporting my team this afternoon. castle9
  • Score: 1

6:38pm Sat 2 Aug 14

North _Swindon_Red says...

The Nomis wrote:
Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!!
100% spot on matey... Owner with no money.. Lapped dog manager.. Season Tickets at rock bottom.. can't attract players, no truly experienced players. total Joke when we hear Cooper asking Kasim you use His experience christ sake until last season couldn't even get regular start in the conference.. League 2 look out Swindon Town are heading back your way.
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!![/p][/quote]100% spot on matey... Owner with no money.. Lapped dog manager.. Season Tickets at rock bottom.. can't attract players, no truly experienced players. total Joke when we hear Cooper asking Kasim you use His experience christ sake until last season couldn't even get regular start in the conference.. League 2 look out Swindon Town are heading back your way. North _Swindon_Red
  • Score: -3

6:48pm Sat 2 Aug 14

North _Swindon_Red says...

dazzastfc wrote:
NEWBURYREDS wrote:
4-1 gladwin (2)
Good run out for the lads...
This could be a very good confidence booster for the lads
Haha yeah beating Villa's under 18's .. Will get found out big time when it comes to real game next week and season ahead. I feel so happy under lap dog Cooper and I got no money Power, perhaps they should play the mouth organ under bridge in the parade.. all they are fit for.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NEWBURYREDS[/bold] wrote: 4-1 gladwin (2)[/p][/quote]Good run out for the lads... This could be a very good confidence booster for the lads[/p][/quote]Haha yeah beating Villa's under 18's .. Will get found out big time when it comes to real game next week and season ahead. I feel so happy under lap dog Cooper and I got no money Power, perhaps they should play the mouth organ under bridge in the parade.. all they are fit for. North _Swindon_Red
  • Score: -3

6:56pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Chish and Fips says...

North _Swindon_Red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
NEWBURYREDS wrote:
4-1 gladwin (2)
Good run out for the lads...
This could be a very good confidence booster for the lads
Haha yeah beating Villa's under 18's .. Will get found out big time when it comes to real game next week and season ahead. I feel so happy under lap dog Cooper and I got no money Power, perhaps they should play the mouth organ under bridge in the parade.. all they are fit for.
... it could have been worse - get beaten by them.... you'd have been in your element then ... all very well to throw insults at them from your keyboard, hopefully you'll be able to put your thoughts face to face one day to them, and explain how and where they could better, and no doubt bringing your cheque book along with you to write out that blank cheque.
[quote][p][bold]North _Swindon_Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NEWBURYREDS[/bold] wrote: 4-1 gladwin (2)[/p][/quote]Good run out for the lads... This could be a very good confidence booster for the lads[/p][/quote]Haha yeah beating Villa's under 18's .. Will get found out big time when it comes to real game next week and season ahead. I feel so happy under lap dog Cooper and I got no money Power, perhaps they should play the mouth organ under bridge in the parade.. all they are fit for.[/p][/quote]... it could have been worse - get beaten by them.... you'd have been in your element then ... all very well to throw insults at them from your keyboard, hopefully you'll be able to put your thoughts face to face one day to them, and explain how and where they could better, and no doubt bringing your cheque book along with you to write out that blank cheque. Chish and Fips
  • Score: 1

7:25pm Sat 2 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

Since 1950 wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans.
As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy!
I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power.

The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill.

Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click.

I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy.

COYR.
Manc. I wasn't having a go at Power for one second. We are where we are. All I was saying was the perceived lack of ambition is keeping the season ticket sales down. Most of that I believe can be laid at the door of the manager. He doesn't exactly make resounding speeches, make positive comments on the future or instil confidence.
Point taken, I rate Cooper but he is a bit glass half empty. However, he has delivered each time he has been put to the test and I think some of his comments on here recently have been more for the Chairman than us.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans. As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy![/p][/quote]I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power. The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill. Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click. I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy. COYR.[/p][/quote]Manc. I wasn't having a go at Power for one second. We are where we are. All I was saying was the perceived lack of ambition is keeping the season ticket sales down. Most of that I believe can be laid at the door of the manager. He doesn't exactly make resounding speeches, make positive comments on the future or instil confidence.[/p][/quote]Point taken, I rate Cooper but he is a bit glass half empty. However, he has delivered each time he has been put to the test and I think some of his comments on here recently have been more for the Chairman than us. mancrobin
  • Score: 2

7:36pm Sat 2 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans.
As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy!
I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power.

The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill.

Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click.

I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy.

COYR.
Hard to argue with any of that, manc. But last season every time anyone on here complained about our unambitious football and the number of young/loan players, they were told to be patient, as we were in the process of building for 2014/15. So here we are on the cusp of that season and what have we built?

There doesn't even appear to be a likelihood of any building for 2015/16. We may be trying to borrow some good players but we don't appear to be looking to build a team of our own. Are we supposed to turn up every week just to watch the development of young players to be sold or returned to their own clubs to further their careers? Obviously I don't expect you to answer these questions but surely we are entitled to hear from the club about its plan for, say, three years from now. For all their faults, the Fitton consortium kept us informed of their plans (which appeared to be on course before the PDC express went completely out of control).

Most of us understand enough about the club's financial situation to appreciate that we can't go out and spend a lot of money on players. But how does that financial position prevent a relatively big third division club signing it's own relatively good third division players? Or are we worse off than most of our rivals? I doubt it somehow.
Two responses to that Den. Firstly I think we are building are own team. We have held on to Wes, the Thompsons remain here and have within a season established themselves as first teamers. New prospects have been brought in like Kasim, Llonguo, Gladwin, Branco, Bartram, Rodgers and Barker who with varying degrees of success are getting in to the side, and we have are young players coming through like Waldon, Randall and Storey who are a season away from a regular place. Add to that the continuity provided by Williams who could still come good yet and you have a core of 14 players who could form a good core squad.

Second point is that there may well be teams spending more at our level. We were one of them a few years ago and nearly went in to administration. Power has told us about his plans in a lengthy interview a few months ago. As far as I can see that plan is on course.

A few more 4-1 victories might see fans returning to the CG and developing some belief in what Power and Cooper are trying to do.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans. As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy![/p][/quote]I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power. The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill. Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click. I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy. COYR.[/p][/quote]Hard to argue with any of that, manc. But last season every time anyone on here complained about our unambitious football and the number of young/loan players, they were told to be patient, as we were in the process of building for 2014/15. So here we are on the cusp of that season and what have we built? There doesn't even appear to be a likelihood of any building for 2015/16. We may be trying to borrow some good players but we don't appear to be looking to build a team of our own. Are we supposed to turn up every week just to watch the development of young players to be sold or returned to their own clubs to further their careers? Obviously I don't expect you to answer these questions but surely we are entitled to hear from the club about its plan for, say, three years from now. For all their faults, the Fitton consortium kept us informed of their plans (which appeared to be on course before the PDC express went completely out of control). Most of us understand enough about the club's financial situation to appreciate that we can't go out and spend a lot of money on players. But how does that financial position prevent a relatively big third division club signing it's own relatively good third division players? Or are we worse off than most of our rivals? I doubt it somehow.[/p][/quote]Two responses to that Den. Firstly I think we are building are own team. We have held on to Wes, the Thompsons remain here and have within a season established themselves as first teamers. New prospects have been brought in like Kasim, Llonguo, Gladwin, Branco, Bartram, Rodgers and Barker who with varying degrees of success are getting in to the side, and we have are young players coming through like Waldon, Randall and Storey who are a season away from a regular place. Add to that the continuity provided by Williams who could still come good yet and you have a core of 14 players who could form a good core squad. Second point is that there may well be teams spending more at our level. We were one of them a few years ago and nearly went in to administration. Power has told us about his plans in a lengthy interview a few months ago. As far as I can see that plan is on course. A few more 4-1 victories might see fans returning to the CG and developing some belief in what Power and Cooper are trying to do. mancrobin
  • Score: 5

7:42pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

The Jockster wrote:
Not arguing with any of the points you make, loans can work or they don't. The angst as you put it comes from the (to me) unpleasant reality that because we are becoming increasingly reliant on said loans we are consequently losing out identity as a club and there doesn't appear to be any end in sight to that scenario. Are we for example destined to be a player testing ground for premier clubs for the foreseeable future? I'd be fine if these youngsters were the product of our own resources - they'd be Swindon Town then but they're not and as such they're never going to be committed to the cause because they know they'll be paid whether they perform or not.
No the reality is that the club are not using the system any more or less than the rest of the teams in the league, that's the way the world is today and largely a by product of Bosman...so it's really not STFC that should be taking the pain, it's the authorities that have allowed this to happen, not the club the fans on here are supposed to support.

It's OK to say develop your own, but as soon as they shown a little bit of potential, some other club will come along and poach them for pennies thanks to another authoritarian decision. Whether that be at under 13, 14 or as soon as they get into the first team.... fans are never happy then.

There are also plenty of examples of those players moving to pastures new and never getting a first team game, whereas they could have been regular here.. There is no easy answer to the dilemna, but for now we have to run with or get left behind.

Imagine if we had an injury ravaged squad and had to field a weaker team against another that had used the loan system to boost their team.... what would the fans be saying about the management then ?

To an extent that is what happened last season during our poor run without a win ...getting players in at that time would have been a boost, yet there wasn't there something around the word embargo that prevented that option..???
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Not arguing with any of the points you make, loans can work or they don't. The angst as you put it comes from the (to me) unpleasant reality that because we are becoming increasingly reliant on said loans we are consequently losing out identity as a club and there doesn't appear to be any end in sight to that scenario. Are we for example destined to be a player testing ground for premier clubs for the foreseeable future? I'd be fine if these youngsters were the product of our own resources - they'd be Swindon Town then but they're not and as such they're never going to be committed to the cause because they know they'll be paid whether they perform or not.[/p][/quote]No the reality is that the club are not using the system any more or less than the rest of the teams in the league, that's the way the world is today and largely a by product of Bosman...so it's really not STFC that should be taking the pain, it's the authorities that have allowed this to happen, not the club the fans on here are supposed to support. It's OK to say develop your own, but as soon as they shown a little bit of potential, some other club will come along and poach them for pennies thanks to another authoritarian decision. Whether that be at under 13, 14 or as soon as they get into the first team.... fans are never happy then. There are also plenty of examples of those players moving to pastures new and never getting a first team game, whereas they could have been regular here.. There is no easy answer to the dilemna, but for now we have to run with or get left behind. Imagine if we had an injury ravaged squad and had to field a weaker team against another that had used the loan system to boost their team.... what would the fans be saying about the management then ? To an extent that is what happened last season during our poor run without a win ...getting players in at that time would have been a boost, yet there wasn't there something around the word embargo that prevented that option..??? Cleuso
  • Score: 1

7:43pm Sat 2 Aug 14

old town robin says...

The Spurs Farmer wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
akershaker wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!!
Actually, the real problem us "dick heads" have is that we had to read all this negative rubbish last summer, and then we finished one place away from the playoffs. And if you think that's a bad season then three-quarters of all clubs have a bad season ever year.
I wonder if Nomis is Grim? Strange that you never get them both on here consecutively !!! There's your Que, chuckle brothers!!
Will Grim please confirm or deny whether he is actually Nomis, , now please!
Don 't think Nomis is Grim, spelt backwards his name is Simon
[quote][p][bold]The Spurs Farmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]akershaker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Trouble with you pathetic happy clapper dick heads is that you don't like hearing the truth!!!. You go around with your heads in the sand. When Jed and Co first turned up and people were slating him and showing concerns you were all exactly the same then....then look what happened, we were right all along!!. Funny thing is, in a couple of months time when we are struggling in the league and having watched poor performances you're all gonna be on here moaning, slating the players, manager, board, the tea lady!!.....and I'll be saying, see, told you so!!!!!![/p][/quote]Actually, the real problem us "dick heads" have is that we had to read all this negative rubbish last summer, and then we finished one place away from the playoffs. And if you think that's a bad season then three-quarters of all clubs have a bad season ever year.[/p][/quote]I wonder if Nomis is Grim? Strange that you never get them both on here consecutively !!! There's your Que, chuckle brothers!![/p][/quote]Will Grim please confirm or deny whether he is actually Nomis, , now please![/p][/quote]Don 't think Nomis is Grim, spelt backwards his name is Simon old town robin
  • Score: 1

10:01pm Sat 2 Aug 14

joey butler says...

Seems like we may also be funding Lee Powers horse racing interests. He joint owns a horse who fell at the Galway Festival this week,when heavily backed. Search horse named Balbriggan on Racing Post. His partner in the horse is named William McKay, a football agent!!!
Seems like we may also be funding Lee Powers horse racing interests. He joint owns a horse who fell at the Galway Festival this week,when heavily backed. Search horse named Balbriggan on Racing Post. His partner in the horse is named William McKay, a football agent!!! joey butler
  • Score: -2

10:09am Sun 3 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

joey butler wrote:
Seems like we may also be funding Lee Powers horse racing interests. He joint owns a horse who fell at the Galway Festival this week,when heavily backed. Search horse named Balbriggan on Racing Post. His partner in the horse is named William McKay, a football agent!!!
And.... ???? Proof ??? No, just a cheap comment intended to disrupt in pursuit of your own agenda, tongue in cheek or otherwise.

So why don't you become all philanthropic, buy the club, furnish it with 2 world X11's and let fans watch for free and build a 50000 stadium to be proud of?

If you can do that then fair play ... just a shame Michael Owen wasn't in the same syndicate with that horse or Robbie Fowler or the rest of the footballing world that are involved in that sport ,Maybe we could even entice Sir Alex out of retirement to manage the team.

Does any Bristol City fan care their benefactor is now diversifying into Rugby...or fear all their football clubs income will now head in that direction to support that?
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Seems like we may also be funding Lee Powers horse racing interests. He joint owns a horse who fell at the Galway Festival this week,when heavily backed. Search horse named Balbriggan on Racing Post. His partner in the horse is named William McKay, a football agent!!![/p][/quote]And.... ???? Proof ??? No, just a cheap comment intended to disrupt in pursuit of your own agenda, tongue in cheek or otherwise. So why don't you become all philanthropic, buy the club, furnish it with 2 world X11's and let fans watch for free and build a 50000 stadium to be proud of? If you can do that then fair play ... just a shame Michael Owen wasn't in the same syndicate with that horse or Robbie Fowler or the rest of the footballing world that are involved in that sport ,Maybe we could even entice Sir Alex out of retirement to manage the team. Does any Bristol City fan care their benefactor is now diversifying into Rugby...or fear all their football clubs income will now head in that direction to support that? Cleuso
  • Score: 1

10:13am Sun 3 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

joey butler wrote:
Seems like we may also be funding Lee Powers horse racing interests. He joint owns a horse who fell at the Galway Festival this week,when heavily backed. Search horse named Balbriggan on Racing Post. His partner in the horse is named William McKay, a football agent!!!
He also bought a horse called Well Painted, winner of a seller at Lingfield recently. Not sure why you think the club might be funding his racing interests though JB.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Seems like we may also be funding Lee Powers horse racing interests. He joint owns a horse who fell at the Galway Festival this week,when heavily backed. Search horse named Balbriggan on Racing Post. His partner in the horse is named William McKay, a football agent!!![/p][/quote]He also bought a horse called Well Painted, winner of a seller at Lingfield recently. Not sure why you think the club might be funding his racing interests though JB. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

10:39am Sun 3 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans.
As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy!
I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power.

The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill.

Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click.

I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy.

COYR.
Hard to argue with any of that, manc. But last season every time anyone on here complained about our unambitious football and the number of young/loan players, they were told to be patient, as we were in the process of building for 2014/15. So here we are on the cusp of that season and what have we built?

There doesn't even appear to be a likelihood of any building for 2015/16. We may be trying to borrow some good players but we don't appear to be looking to build a team of our own. Are we supposed to turn up every week just to watch the development of young players to be sold or returned to their own clubs to further their careers? Obviously I don't expect you to answer these questions but surely we are entitled to hear from the club about its plan for, say, three years from now. For all their faults, the Fitton consortium kept us informed of their plans (which appeared to be on course before the PDC express went completely out of control).

Most of us understand enough about the club's financial situation to appreciate that we can't go out and spend a lot of money on players. But how does that financial position prevent a relatively big third division club signing it's own relatively good third division players? Or are we worse off than most of our rivals? I doubt it somehow.
Two responses to that Den. Firstly I think we are building are own team. We have held on to Wes, the Thompsons remain here and have within a season established themselves as first teamers. New prospects have been brought in like Kasim, Llonguo, Gladwin, Branco, Bartram, Rodgers and Barker who with varying degrees of success are getting in to the side, and we have are young players coming through like Waldon, Randall and Storey who are a season away from a regular place. Add to that the continuity provided by Williams who could still come good yet and you have a core of 14 players who could form a good core squad.

Second point is that there may well be teams spending more at our level. We were one of them a few years ago and nearly went in to administration. Power has told us about his plans in a lengthy interview a few months ago. As far as I can see that plan is on course.

A few more 4-1 victories might see fans returning to the CG and developing some belief in what Power and Cooper are trying to do.
Good post manc (Cleuso's too by the way). I suppose what it comes down to is that some of us believe the club is making progress and some of us think we're standing still. I'm firmly in the latter camp as, by the manager's own admission, we are short of 3 or 4 key players - with a week to go to the start of the season. Even if we make those signings, they won't be our players so we'll still be at square one in a year's time. Is that really unavoidable? The assumption seems to be that there are no good footballers available outside the top flight. That seems very unlikely. In fact, as we've seen in the last couple of seasons, some of the players loaned out by the top clubs aren't much good anyway. There must be up and coming players out there who would be capable of making the step up to our level. Whatever happened to the art of scouting?
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Spot on 1950 and exactly what I've been saying on the "fans will come back" thread. This over reliance on loanees and providing a nursery for Prem clubs is killing our identity and it is this feeling amongst many former stalwarts that is one of the prime reasons why season ticket sales are down and why matchday attendebces might also suffer. As you say there's no sustainability without the fans. As a personal opinion I'm already tired of Cooper's rhetoric even if Power is the voice of the dummy![/p][/quote]I think there some truth in what both you and 1950 are saying but you are being very harsh on Power. The DiCanio era had built the average gates up to over 8,000 and I expect they will now drop to between 6 to 7000. However, the business model in the DiCanio era assumed an average of 10,000. A difference of 3 to 4,0000, equivalent to around £2.5m in turnover. That's the difference between fantasy and reality. That's why we have had to cut the wage bill. Power is a realist. It ain't an approach that is popular with most fans. However, if the team start winning or we have a good cup run, just watch the turnstiles click. I'm not so pessimistic as some on here and if Cooper can deliver something near to last year while further embedding the core of a young side, then I'll be happy. COYR.[/p][/quote]Hard to argue with any of that, manc. But last season every time anyone on here complained about our unambitious football and the number of young/loan players, they were told to be patient, as we were in the process of building for 2014/15. So here we are on the cusp of that season and what have we built? There doesn't even appear to be a likelihood of any building for 2015/16. We may be trying to borrow some good players but we don't appear to be looking to build a team of our own. Are we supposed to turn up every week just to watch the development of young players to be sold or returned to their own clubs to further their careers? Obviously I don't expect you to answer these questions but surely we are entitled to hear from the club about its plan for, say, three years from now. For all their faults, the Fitton consortium kept us informed of their plans (which appeared to be on course before the PDC express went completely out of control). Most of us understand enough about the club's financial situation to appreciate that we can't go out and spend a lot of money on players. But how does that financial position prevent a relatively big third division club signing it's own relatively good third division players? Or are we worse off than most of our rivals? I doubt it somehow.[/p][/quote]Two responses to that Den. Firstly I think we are building are own team. We have held on to Wes, the Thompsons remain here and have within a season established themselves as first teamers. New prospects have been brought in like Kasim, Llonguo, Gladwin, Branco, Bartram, Rodgers and Barker who with varying degrees of success are getting in to the side, and we have are young players coming through like Waldon, Randall and Storey who are a season away from a regular place. Add to that the continuity provided by Williams who could still come good yet and you have a core of 14 players who could form a good core squad. Second point is that there may well be teams spending more at our level. We were one of them a few years ago and nearly went in to administration. Power has told us about his plans in a lengthy interview a few months ago. As far as I can see that plan is on course. A few more 4-1 victories might see fans returning to the CG and developing some belief in what Power and Cooper are trying to do.[/p][/quote]Good post manc (Cleuso's too by the way). I suppose what it comes down to is that some of us believe the club is making progress and some of us think we're standing still. I'm firmly in the latter camp as, by the manager's own admission, we are short of 3 or 4 key players - with a week to go to the start of the season. Even if we make those signings, they won't be our players so we'll still be at square one in a year's time. Is that really unavoidable? The assumption seems to be that there are no good footballers available outside the top flight. That seems very unlikely. In fact, as we've seen in the last couple of seasons, some of the players loaned out by the top clubs aren't much good anyway. There must be up and coming players out there who would be capable of making the step up to our level. Whatever happened to the art of scouting? Oi Den!
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10:49am Sun 3 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

By the way manc, it wan't the spending that put us close to administration. It was the fact that the McCrory mob didn't deliver any of their promised investment. I'd bet that the club has more debt now than when Black gave it away. The difference is that Power is providing funding to keep it afloat - something that was obviously never in the plans of McCrory.
By the way manc, it wan't the spending that put us close to administration. It was the fact that the McCrory mob didn't deliver any of their promised investment. I'd bet that the club has more debt now than when Black gave it away. The difference is that Power is providing funding to keep it afloat - something that was obviously never in the plans of McCrory. Oi Den!
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10:50am Sun 3 Aug 14

Chish and Fips says...

joey butler wrote:
Seems like we may also be funding Lee Powers horse racing interests. He joint owns a horse who fell at the Galway Festival this week,when heavily backed. Search horse named Balbriggan on Racing Post. His partner in the horse is named William McKay, a football agent!!!
'Seems like we may also be funding Lee Powers horse racing interests' bit rash if only surmising JB ... I think that was thrown in as tempter to possibly start another agenda.
Never know, could be, the tables turn if this was the case, and this horse is another Red Rum, could even then help finance our club :o) dream on eh !
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Seems like we may also be funding Lee Powers horse racing interests. He joint owns a horse who fell at the Galway Festival this week,when heavily backed. Search horse named Balbriggan on Racing Post. His partner in the horse is named William McKay, a football agent!!![/p][/quote]'Seems like we may also be funding Lee Powers horse racing interests' bit rash if only surmising JB ... I think that was thrown in as tempter to possibly start another agenda. Never know, could be, the tables turn if this was the case, and this horse is another Red Rum, could even then help finance our club :o) dream on eh ! Chish and Fips
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3:13pm Sun 3 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
By the way manc, it wan't the spending that put us close to administration. It was the fact that the McCrory mob didn't deliver any of their promised investment. I'd bet that the club has more debt now than when Black gave it away. The difference is that Power is providing funding to keep it afloat - something that was obviously never in the plans of McCrory.
I'll leave the debate on administration Den, we've been round the houses a few times on that one :)

In terms of scouting, I reckon Power's record has been pretty good. He is allowing scope for Cooper to bring our own youngsters through - Thompsons, Randall, Marshall; he puts those out on loan who aren't ready - Storey, Belford; lets go those he believes won't make it - Bedwell; spots talent from obscurity - Kasim, Gladwin; and has already managed to sign up one the Premiership loans - Llonguo. Not a bad record in less than a couple of years.

The big test comes when 'sell on' emerges and a few on here have commented on Southampton plight recently. Jury is out for me on that until it's seen what they do with the £95m from sales. Is it to pay off losses? Will it be used to strengthen their academy? Who will they buy? Or will it be creamed off in to someone's back pocket?

Also, it's often the players and agents who dictate these 'sell on' moves. Just look at Mass during the World Cup. He was talking as if he would do us a favour by staying at Swindon now he'd become such a star!

Like the fans, Mass is starting the season with a bit of a reality check.

Let's get behind Cooper and the lads and see what they can do for the first 10 games or so. If by then we're languishing near the bottom, I'll get ready to eat humble pie Den and agree that perhaps we are not moving forward.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: By the way manc, it wan't the spending that put us close to administration. It was the fact that the McCrory mob didn't deliver any of their promised investment. I'd bet that the club has more debt now than when Black gave it away. The difference is that Power is providing funding to keep it afloat - something that was obviously never in the plans of McCrory.[/p][/quote]I'll leave the debate on administration Den, we've been round the houses a few times on that one :) In terms of scouting, I reckon Power's record has been pretty good. He is allowing scope for Cooper to bring our own youngsters through - Thompsons, Randall, Marshall; he puts those out on loan who aren't ready - Storey, Belford; lets go those he believes won't make it - Bedwell; spots talent from obscurity - Kasim, Gladwin; and has already managed to sign up one the Premiership loans - Llonguo. Not a bad record in less than a couple of years. The big test comes when 'sell on' emerges and a few on here have commented on Southampton plight recently. Jury is out for me on that until it's seen what they do with the £95m from sales. Is it to pay off losses? Will it be used to strengthen their academy? Who will they buy? Or will it be creamed off in to someone's back pocket? Also, it's often the players and agents who dictate these 'sell on' moves. Just look at Mass during the World Cup. He was talking as if he would do us a favour by staying at Swindon now he'd become such a star! Like the fans, Mass is starting the season with a bit of a reality check. Let's get behind Cooper and the lads and see what they can do for the first 10 games or so. If by then we're languishing near the bottom, I'll get ready to eat humble pie Den and agree that perhaps we are not moving forward. mancrobin
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5:49pm Sun 3 Aug 14

STEADY EDDIE 1 for the road says...

"We eat with a knife & fork"

Yep, we may have to rummage through the bins for scraps from other clubs, but we dont forget our table manners. Nice one Coops.!!!!

Im sure it must have brightened up your week-end to see your eastern neighbours take a sound whooping yesterday.... allways happy to oblige.!!!
"We eat with a knife & fork" Yep, we may have to rummage through the bins for scraps from other clubs, but we dont forget our table manners. Nice one Coops.!!!! Im sure it must have brightened up your week-end to see your eastern neighbours take a sound whooping yesterday.... allways happy to oblige.!!! STEADY EDDIE 1 for the road
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5:55pm Sun 3 Aug 14

STEADY EDDIE 1 for the road says...

STEADY EDDIE 1 for the road wrote:
"We eat with a knife & fork"

Yep, we may have to rummage through the bins for scraps from other clubs, but we dont forget our table manners. Nice one Coops.!!!!

Im sure it must have brightened up your week-end to see your eastern neighbours take a sound whooping yesterday.... allways happy to oblige.!!!
How rude of me, almost forgot my "table manners"
Good luck for forthcoming season.!!!
[quote][p][bold]STEADY EDDIE 1 for the road[/bold] wrote: "We eat with a knife & fork" Yep, we may have to rummage through the bins for scraps from other clubs, but we dont forget our table manners. Nice one Coops.!!!! Im sure it must have brightened up your week-end to see your eastern neighbours take a sound whooping yesterday.... allways happy to oblige.!!![/p][/quote]How rude of me, almost forgot my "table manners" Good luck for forthcoming season.!!! STEADY EDDIE 1 for the road
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5:56pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Chish and Fips says...

STEADY EDDIE 1 for the road wrote:
"We eat with a knife & fork"

Yep, we may have to rummage through the bins for scraps from other clubs, but we dont forget our table manners. Nice one Coops.!!!!

Im sure it must have brightened up your week-end to see your eastern neighbours take a sound whooping yesterday.... allways happy to oblige.!!!
Think it was 4-1 in favour of Bornmuff against you know who, up the A420.
Hopefully that will continue with the up A420 mob.
[quote][p][bold]STEADY EDDIE 1 for the road[/bold] wrote: "We eat with a knife & fork" Yep, we may have to rummage through the bins for scraps from other clubs, but we dont forget our table manners. Nice one Coops.!!!! Im sure it must have brightened up your week-end to see your eastern neighbours take a sound whooping yesterday.... allways happy to oblige.!!![/p][/quote]Think it was 4-1 in favour of Bornmuff against you know who, up the A420. Hopefully that will continue with the up A420 mob. Chish and Fips
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