SWINDON TOWN: Cooper vows his side will go 'all guns blazing' into League Cup tie

Swindon Town manager Mark Cooper has said the winner of tonight's League Cup game against Luton Town could be in for a £1million windfall - if they draw Manchester United in round two

Swindon Town manager Mark Cooper has said the winner of tonight's League Cup game against Luton Town could be in for a £1million windfall - if they draw Manchester United in round two

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SWINDON Town manager Mark Cooper has vowed that his side with go into tonight’s Capital One Cup clash with Luton Town “all guns blazing”, as they chase a chance of facing the world’s biggest club in round two.

With Manchester United not involved in European football this season, the 20-time English league champions enter the League Cup at the second-round stage - and victory against Luton this evening will give Swindon a ticket to a lottery that Cooper reckons could be worth around £1million to one lucky club.

Therefore, the Robins boss is not anticipating anything but wholehearted determination from his players when they kick off at Kenilworth Road at around 7.45pm.

He said: “It is a money-spinner because you could win one game and get Man United away, which is straight away probably a million pounds. I’m sure that we could do with that so I’m sure we will be going all guns blazing, trying to get in the hat.”

“It’s going to be a test and it’ll be interesting to see how they react to it, but I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that we’ll react to it positively.

“We know that if we play - if we get the ball down and play if properly - we can cause teams problems. We’ve got a lot of players that are very comfortable in tight areas of the pitch, that can kill you if you press too early. They can cut you to pieces.

“We also know defensively we have work to do.

Luton, returning to the Football League this term after five years away, started their campaign with an impressive 1-0 victory at Carlisle United on the opening day, and Cooper knows his Town team is in for a stern examination of their resources tonight.

“It’ll be tough. They had a very good result (on Saturday). John Still’s teams are always really, really hard to play against. They’re really fit, really organised,” he said.

“Kenilworth Road is a difficult, hostile place to play and I’m sure they’ll make it really difficult for us. We’ll go and try to plan and do what we do.

“They’ve been too long out of the Football League. They’ve had a succession of managers, they’ve eventually got the right one and they’ll probably go from strength to strength now because they get big crowds, it’s historically a big club and I’m sure they’ll fly up the league.

“John is a nice guy. He’s a brilliant manager. His teams are always difficult to play against and I expect nothing different on Tuesday at Kenilworth Road.”

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5:55am Tue 12 Aug 14

pastor_of_muppets says...

Some nice, respectful words from Cooper there. Hope the players step up tonight and take Luton seriously, a good league cup run could be huge to us with our budget limitations
Some nice, respectful words from Cooper there. Hope the players step up tonight and take Luton seriously, a good league cup run could be huge to us with our budget limitations pastor_of_muppets
  • Score: 19

7:34am Tue 12 Aug 14

Scouse Red says...

Agreed - should have the quality to get a good result if they play as we did on Saturday.

Can't make it tonight as away on holiday but will be hitting the refresh button regularly on the t'internet

Are Jonathan Smith, Luke Rooney and Benson all still at Luton?

Good cup draw and run always exciting and adds to the coffers
Agreed - should have the quality to get a good result if they play as we did on Saturday. Can't make it tonight as away on holiday but will be hitting the refresh button regularly on the t'internet Are Jonathan Smith, Luke Rooney and Benson all still at Luton? Good cup draw and run always exciting and adds to the coffers Scouse Red
  • Score: 6

7:42am Tue 12 Aug 14

old town robin says...

Scouse Red wrote:
Agreed - should have the quality to get a good result if they play as we did on Saturday.

Can't make it tonight as away on holiday but will be hitting the refresh button regularly on the t'internet

Are Jonathan Smith, Luke Rooney and Benson all still at Luton?

Good cup draw and run always exciting and adds to the coffers
I believe Jon Smith has gone back to YORK, but the other two got some game time on Saturday I believe.
[quote][p][bold]Scouse Red[/bold] wrote: Agreed - should have the quality to get a good result if they play as we did on Saturday. Can't make it tonight as away on holiday but will be hitting the refresh button regularly on the t'internet Are Jonathan Smith, Luke Rooney and Benson all still at Luton? Good cup draw and run always exciting and adds to the coffers[/p][/quote]I believe Jon Smith has gone back to YORK, but the other two got some game time on Saturday I believe. old town robin
  • Score: 1

8:02am Tue 12 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

The money from a tie against a big club would be very useful. However, from a purely football point of view tonight's game is far more important than a match against Manchester United reserves. Luton will be chomping at the bit with a point to prove. If our players show that they now have character to match their undoubted skills, it might just be a pointer towards a good season.

It's just a bit ironic that tonight's game will have some cup magic attached to it, when a later game against one of the big boys would have none - for me anyway. It's hard to tell a real cup giant killing from a walkover now. The be all and end all that is the Premier League has seen to that.
The money from a tie against a big club would be very useful. However, from a purely football point of view tonight's game is far more important than a match against Manchester United reserves. Luton will be chomping at the bit with a point to prove. If our players show that they now have character to match their undoubted skills, it might just be a pointer towards a good season. It's just a bit ironic that tonight's game will have some cup magic attached to it, when a later game against one of the big boys would have none - for me anyway. It's hard to tell a real cup giant killing from a walkover now. The be all and end all that is the Premier League has seen to that. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

8:21am Tue 12 Aug 14

Psychedelic Syd says...

Have to agree with Den about the impact of the Premier League on this cup's magic. Luton will be a very difficult game. Their pitch is one of the smallest, in the days of Bruce Rioch he could shoot from the half way line and expect to score. Our players will be playing in very tight situations with a very hostile crowd. I've never forgiven Luton for the way Laurie Sheffield, their then centre forward, deliberately crocked Peter Downsborough when they beat us 2 - 0 there in the great 68/69 season. We don't forgive or forget! COYMR
Have to agree with Den about the impact of the Premier League on this cup's magic. Luton will be a very difficult game. Their pitch is one of the smallest, in the days of Bruce Rioch he could shoot from the half way line and expect to score. Our players will be playing in very tight situations with a very hostile crowd. I've never forgiven Luton for the way Laurie Sheffield, their then centre forward, deliberately crocked Peter Downsborough when they beat us 2 - 0 there in the great 68/69 season. We don't forgive or forget! COYMR Psychedelic Syd
  • Score: 5

8:28am Tue 12 Aug 14

ciclosporindorset says...

Psychedelic Syd wrote:
Have to agree with Den about the impact of the Premier League on this cup's magic. Luton will be a very difficult game. Their pitch is one of the smallest, in the days of Bruce Rioch he could shoot from the half way line and expect to score. Our players will be playing in very tight situations with a very hostile crowd. I've never forgiven Luton for the way Laurie Sheffield, their then centre forward, deliberately crocked Peter Downsborough when they beat us 2 - 0 there in the great 68/69 season. We don't forgive or forget! COYMR
Yes, that's what journeymen footballers do, some know nothing better. Lets hope times have changed. I cannot see Benson doing that mind, a true gent and Luton seem to have salvaged two of PdC's casualties and I am sure they will be out to put on a show in their first home game
[quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: Have to agree with Den about the impact of the Premier League on this cup's magic. Luton will be a very difficult game. Their pitch is one of the smallest, in the days of Bruce Rioch he could shoot from the half way line and expect to score. Our players will be playing in very tight situations with a very hostile crowd. I've never forgiven Luton for the way Laurie Sheffield, their then centre forward, deliberately crocked Peter Downsborough when they beat us 2 - 0 there in the great 68/69 season. We don't forgive or forget! COYMR[/p][/quote]Yes, that's what journeymen footballers do, some know nothing better. Lets hope times have changed. I cannot see Benson doing that mind, a true gent and Luton seem to have salvaged two of PdC's casualties and I am sure they will be out to put on a show in their first home game ciclosporindorset
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8:29am Tue 12 Aug 14

London Red says...

old town robin wrote:
Scouse Red wrote:
Agreed - should have the quality to get a good result if they play as we did on Saturday.

Can't make it tonight as away on holiday but will be hitting the refresh button regularly on the t'internet

Are Jonathan Smith, Luke Rooney and Benson all still at Luton?

Good cup draw and run always exciting and adds to the coffers
I believe Jon Smith has gone back to YORK, but the other two got some game time on Saturday I believe.
All 3 are there
.
Smith is injured so out tonight
.
Benson started on Sat and Rooney made a cameo in last 10 mins
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scouse Red[/bold] wrote: Agreed - should have the quality to get a good result if they play as we did on Saturday. Can't make it tonight as away on holiday but will be hitting the refresh button regularly on the t'internet Are Jonathan Smith, Luke Rooney and Benson all still at Luton? Good cup draw and run always exciting and adds to the coffers[/p][/quote]I believe Jon Smith has gone back to YORK, but the other two got some game time on Saturday I believe.[/p][/quote]All 3 are there . Smith is injured so out tonight . Benson started on Sat and Rooney made a cameo in last 10 mins London Red
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8:34am Tue 12 Aug 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
The money from a tie against a big club would be very useful. However, from a purely football point of view tonight's game is far more important than a match against Manchester United reserves. Luton will be chomping at the bit with a point to prove. If our players show that they now have character to match their undoubted skills, it might just be a pointer towards a good season.

It's just a bit ironic that tonight's game will have some cup magic attached to it, when a later game against one of the big boys would have none - for me anyway. It's hard to tell a real cup giant killing from a walkover now. The be all and end all that is the Premier League has seen to that.
Don't agree at all cup games for clubs like ours are all about money and a glamour tie to give the fans a nice day or evening
.
Chelsea was fantastic and as that was the first time in what over a decade it makes it even more special
.
1996 I believe was out last trip to Old Trafford - that and £1m would do very nicely!
.
Especially if that £1m is then invested in the squad which could aid our league campaign
.
No one is happy with a cup draw against a L1 or L2 team - no one can say they are happy if that comes out
.
The only time you want an "easy" draw is to get into the rounds with the big guns!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: The money from a tie against a big club would be very useful. However, from a purely football point of view tonight's game is far more important than a match against Manchester United reserves. Luton will be chomping at the bit with a point to prove. If our players show that they now have character to match their undoubted skills, it might just be a pointer towards a good season. It's just a bit ironic that tonight's game will have some cup magic attached to it, when a later game against one of the big boys would have none - for me anyway. It's hard to tell a real cup giant killing from a walkover now. The be all and end all that is the Premier League has seen to that.[/p][/quote]Don't agree at all cup games for clubs like ours are all about money and a glamour tie to give the fans a nice day or evening . Chelsea was fantastic and as that was the first time in what over a decade it makes it even more special . 1996 I believe was out last trip to Old Trafford - that and £1m would do very nicely! . Especially if that £1m is then invested in the squad which could aid our league campaign . No one is happy with a cup draw against a L1 or L2 team - no one can say they are happy if that comes out . The only time you want an "easy" draw is to get into the rounds with the big guns! London Red
  • Score: 1

8:47am Tue 12 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
The money from a tie against a big club would be very useful. However, from a purely football point of view tonight's game is far more important than a match against Manchester United reserves. Luton will be chomping at the bit with a point to prove. If our players show that they now have character to match their undoubted skills, it might just be a pointer towards a good season.

It's just a bit ironic that tonight's game will have some cup magic attached to it, when a later game against one of the big boys would have none - for me anyway. It's hard to tell a real cup giant killing from a walkover now. The be all and end all that is the Premier League has seen to that.
There's another great spin-off from a giant killing and good Cup run and that is it attracts new supporters.

I wonder how many of the old duffers on here like me weren't originally seduced by the West Ham FA Cup game and the famous League Cup win?

An away (or a home) tie against Man U would attract huge interest and potentially add to the ongoing gate if we did reasonably well.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: The money from a tie against a big club would be very useful. However, from a purely football point of view tonight's game is far more important than a match against Manchester United reserves. Luton will be chomping at the bit with a point to prove. If our players show that they now have character to match their undoubted skills, it might just be a pointer towards a good season. It's just a bit ironic that tonight's game will have some cup magic attached to it, when a later game against one of the big boys would have none - for me anyway. It's hard to tell a real cup giant killing from a walkover now. The be all and end all that is the Premier League has seen to that.[/p][/quote]There's another great spin-off from a giant killing and good Cup run and that is it attracts new supporters. I wonder how many of the old duffers on here like me weren't originally seduced by the West Ham FA Cup game and the famous League Cup win? An away (or a home) tie against Man U would attract huge interest and potentially add to the ongoing gate if we did reasonably well. mancrobin
  • Score: 1

9:58am Tue 12 Aug 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

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Glad it's not just us message posters who can accidentally file the same thing twice! The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier
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9:59am Tue 12 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
The money from a tie against a big club would be very useful. However, from a purely football point of view tonight's game is far more important than a match against Manchester United reserves. Luton will be chomping at the bit with a point to prove. If our players show that they now have character to match their undoubted skills, it might just be a pointer towards a good season.

It's just a bit ironic that tonight's game will have some cup magic attached to it, when a later game against one of the big boys would have none - for me anyway. It's hard to tell a real cup giant killing from a walkover now. The be all and end all that is the Premier League has seen to that.
Don't agree at all cup games for clubs like ours are all about money and a glamour tie to give the fans a nice day or evening
.
Chelsea was fantastic and as that was the first time in what over a decade it makes it even more special
.
1996 I believe was out last trip to Old Trafford - that and £1m would do very nicely!
.
Especially if that £1m is then invested in the squad which could aid our league campaign
.
No one is happy with a cup draw against a L1 or L2 team - no one can say they are happy if that comes out
.
The only time you want an "easy" draw is to get into the rounds with the big guns!
Chelsea was fantastic? It was possibly the dullest, most passionless cup tie I've ever seen. Compared to some of our truly great cup nights, it was like watching a friendly. I was just emphasising the lack of magic in the cups now. If you deny that LR, you have your head firmly in the sand.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: The money from a tie against a big club would be very useful. However, from a purely football point of view tonight's game is far more important than a match against Manchester United reserves. Luton will be chomping at the bit with a point to prove. If our players show that they now have character to match their undoubted skills, it might just be a pointer towards a good season. It's just a bit ironic that tonight's game will have some cup magic attached to it, when a later game against one of the big boys would have none - for me anyway. It's hard to tell a real cup giant killing from a walkover now. The be all and end all that is the Premier League has seen to that.[/p][/quote]Don't agree at all cup games for clubs like ours are all about money and a glamour tie to give the fans a nice day or evening . Chelsea was fantastic and as that was the first time in what over a decade it makes it even more special . 1996 I believe was out last trip to Old Trafford - that and £1m would do very nicely! . Especially if that £1m is then invested in the squad which could aid our league campaign . No one is happy with a cup draw against a L1 or L2 team - no one can say they are happy if that comes out . The only time you want an "easy" draw is to get into the rounds with the big guns![/p][/quote]Chelsea was fantastic? It was possibly the dullest, most passionless cup tie I've ever seen. Compared to some of our truly great cup nights, it was like watching a friendly. I was just emphasising the lack of magic in the cups now. If you deny that LR, you have your head firmly in the sand. Oi Den!
  • Score: -8

10:13am Tue 12 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
The money from a tie against a big club would be very useful. However, from a purely football point of view tonight's game is far more important than a match against Manchester United reserves. Luton will be chomping at the bit with a point to prove. If our players show that they now have character to match their undoubted skills, it might just be a pointer towards a good season.

It's just a bit ironic that tonight's game will have some cup magic attached to it, when a later game against one of the big boys would have none - for me anyway. It's hard to tell a real cup giant killing from a walkover now. The be all and end all that is the Premier League has seen to that.
Don't agree at all cup games for clubs like ours are all about money and a glamour tie to give the fans a nice day or evening
.
Chelsea was fantastic and as that was the first time in what over a decade it makes it even more special
.
1996 I believe was out last trip to Old Trafford - that and £1m would do very nicely!
.
Especially if that £1m is then invested in the squad which could aid our league campaign
.
No one is happy with a cup draw against a L1 or L2 team - no one can say they are happy if that comes out
.
The only time you want an "easy" draw is to get into the rounds with the big guns!
Chelsea was fantastic? It was possibly the dullest, most passionless cup tie I've ever seen. Compared to some of our truly great cup nights, it was like watching a friendly. I was just emphasising the lack of magic in the cups now. If you deny that LR, you have your head firmly in the sand.
Den, I get the feeling you're selecting the facts to fit your main argument here. That the Cup is a pointless, boring farce due to those nasty people in the Premier League?

The point I would agree with you on is that the Chelsea game did not compare to previous Cup exploits. That's because to get that effect you need the drama of beating a better side or at least running them scared. We did not do that against Chelsea but we did against Stoke.

And why pointless? If you win you're one step closer to Wembley and at least have the chance of another good tie drawing in more revenue and more interest.

If Swindon draw Man U away and get a draw after an heroic performance, the whole town will be buzzing. Including you Den! :)
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: The money from a tie against a big club would be very useful. However, from a purely football point of view tonight's game is far more important than a match against Manchester United reserves. Luton will be chomping at the bit with a point to prove. If our players show that they now have character to match their undoubted skills, it might just be a pointer towards a good season. It's just a bit ironic that tonight's game will have some cup magic attached to it, when a later game against one of the big boys would have none - for me anyway. It's hard to tell a real cup giant killing from a walkover now. The be all and end all that is the Premier League has seen to that.[/p][/quote]Don't agree at all cup games for clubs like ours are all about money and a glamour tie to give the fans a nice day or evening . Chelsea was fantastic and as that was the first time in what over a decade it makes it even more special . 1996 I believe was out last trip to Old Trafford - that and £1m would do very nicely! . Especially if that £1m is then invested in the squad which could aid our league campaign . No one is happy with a cup draw against a L1 or L2 team - no one can say they are happy if that comes out . The only time you want an "easy" draw is to get into the rounds with the big guns![/p][/quote]Chelsea was fantastic? It was possibly the dullest, most passionless cup tie I've ever seen. Compared to some of our truly great cup nights, it was like watching a friendly. I was just emphasising the lack of magic in the cups now. If you deny that LR, you have your head firmly in the sand.[/p][/quote]Den, I get the feeling you're selecting the facts to fit your main argument here. That the Cup is a pointless, boring farce due to those nasty people in the Premier League? The point I would agree with you on is that the Chelsea game did not compare to previous Cup exploits. That's because to get that effect you need the drama of beating a better side or at least running them scared. We did not do that against Chelsea but we did against Stoke. And why pointless? If you win you're one step closer to Wembley and at least have the chance of another good tie drawing in more revenue and more interest. If Swindon draw Man U away and get a draw after an heroic performance, the whole town will be buzzing. Including you Den! :) mancrobin
  • Score: 5

11:05am Tue 12 Aug 14

old town robin says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
The money from a tie against a big club would be very useful. However, from a purely football point of view tonight's game is far more important than a match against Manchester United reserves. Luton will be chomping at the bit with a point to prove. If our players show that they now have character to match their undoubted skills, it might just be a pointer towards a good season.

It's just a bit ironic that tonight's game will have some cup magic attached to it, when a later game against one of the big boys would have none - for me anyway. It's hard to tell a real cup giant killing from a walkover now. The be all and end all that is the Premier League has seen to that.
Don't agree at all cup games for clubs like ours are all about money and a glamour tie to give the fans a nice day or evening
.
Chelsea was fantastic and as that was the first time in what over a decade it makes it even more special
.
1996 I believe was out last trip to Old Trafford - that and £1m would do very nicely!
.
Especially if that £1m is then invested in the squad which could aid our league campaign
.
No one is happy with a cup draw against a L1 or L2 team - no one can say they are happy if that comes out
.
The only time you want an "easy" draw is to get into the rounds with the big guns!
Chelsea was fantastic? It was possibly the dullest, most passionless cup tie I've ever seen. Compared to some of our truly great cup nights, it was like watching a friendly. I was just emphasising the lack of magic in the cups now. If you deny that LR, you have your head firmly in the sand.
Den, I get the feeling you're selecting the facts to fit your main argument here. That the Cup is a pointless, boring farce due to those nasty people in the Premier League?

The point I would agree with you on is that the Chelsea game did not compare to previous Cup exploits. That's because to get that effect you need the drama of beating a better side or at least running them scared. We did not do that against Chelsea but we did against Stoke.

And why pointless? If you win you're one step closer to Wembley and at least have the chance of another good tie drawing in more revenue and more interest.

If Swindon draw Man U away and get a draw after an heroic performance, the whole town will be buzzing. Including you Den! :)
A draw in the league Cup earns a return home game then, thought it went to penalties, prefer the replays, it gives the little teams the chance of an upset and make a little bit extra to boot if they can bring the big teams back home.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: The money from a tie against a big club would be very useful. However, from a purely football point of view tonight's game is far more important than a match against Manchester United reserves. Luton will be chomping at the bit with a point to prove. If our players show that they now have character to match their undoubted skills, it might just be a pointer towards a good season. It's just a bit ironic that tonight's game will have some cup magic attached to it, when a later game against one of the big boys would have none - for me anyway. It's hard to tell a real cup giant killing from a walkover now. The be all and end all that is the Premier League has seen to that.[/p][/quote]Don't agree at all cup games for clubs like ours are all about money and a glamour tie to give the fans a nice day or evening . Chelsea was fantastic and as that was the first time in what over a decade it makes it even more special . 1996 I believe was out last trip to Old Trafford - that and £1m would do very nicely! . Especially if that £1m is then invested in the squad which could aid our league campaign . No one is happy with a cup draw against a L1 or L2 team - no one can say they are happy if that comes out . The only time you want an "easy" draw is to get into the rounds with the big guns![/p][/quote]Chelsea was fantastic? It was possibly the dullest, most passionless cup tie I've ever seen. Compared to some of our truly great cup nights, it was like watching a friendly. I was just emphasising the lack of magic in the cups now. If you deny that LR, you have your head firmly in the sand.[/p][/quote]Den, I get the feeling you're selecting the facts to fit your main argument here. That the Cup is a pointless, boring farce due to those nasty people in the Premier League? The point I would agree with you on is that the Chelsea game did not compare to previous Cup exploits. That's because to get that effect you need the drama of beating a better side or at least running them scared. We did not do that against Chelsea but we did against Stoke. And why pointless? If you win you're one step closer to Wembley and at least have the chance of another good tie drawing in more revenue and more interest. If Swindon draw Man U away and get a draw after an heroic performance, the whole town will be buzzing. Including you Den! :)[/p][/quote]A draw in the league Cup earns a return home game then, thought it went to penalties, prefer the replays, it gives the little teams the chance of an upset and make a little bit extra to boot if they can bring the big teams back home. old town robin
  • Score: 0

11:25am Tue 12 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

Steady on manc. For a start, I did not say either of the cups is pointless. My very first comment was that the money from a game against a big club would be useful.

Like all Town fans, I've been privileged to support a club with a great cup heritage. I believe there is no chance now of any club establishing a cup heritage because the big clubs don't give a monkey's about either cup. Every football fan who is old enough will always remember the real cup giant killing exploits of say Hereford, Yeovil and Swindon. How many cup results of recent years have gone into football folklore? I can't think of one.

So no, I'm afraid I will not be buzzing if it turns out we get a draw - or even a win - against Manchester United reserves at Old Trafford. I'll get quite a buzz if we win at Luton tonight though.
Steady on manc. For a start, I did not say either of the cups is pointless. My very first comment was that the money from a game against a big club would be useful. Like all Town fans, I've been privileged to support a club with a great cup heritage. I believe there is no chance now of any club establishing a cup heritage because the big clubs don't give a monkey's about either cup. Every football fan who is old enough will always remember the real cup giant killing exploits of say Hereford, Yeovil and Swindon. How many cup results of recent years have gone into football folklore? I can't think of one. So no, I'm afraid I will not be buzzing if it turns out we get a draw - or even a win - against Manchester United reserves at Old Trafford. I'll get quite a buzz if we win at Luton tonight though. Oi Den!
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11:44am Tue 12 Aug 14

Scouse Red says...

old town robin wrote:
Scouse Red wrote:
Agreed - should have the quality to get a good result if they play as we did on Saturday.

Can't make it tonight as away on holiday but will be hitting the refresh button regularly on the t'internet

Are Jonathan Smith, Luke Rooney and Benson all still at Luton?

Good cup draw and run always exciting and adds to the coffers
I believe Jon Smith has gone back to YORK, but the other two got some game time on Saturday I believe.
Cheers muchly

Read the rest of the comments below and still think cup run would be good! COYR
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scouse Red[/bold] wrote: Agreed - should have the quality to get a good result if they play as we did on Saturday. Can't make it tonight as away on holiday but will be hitting the refresh button regularly on the t'internet Are Jonathan Smith, Luke Rooney and Benson all still at Luton? Good cup draw and run always exciting and adds to the coffers[/p][/quote]I believe Jon Smith has gone back to YORK, but the other two got some game time on Saturday I believe.[/p][/quote]Cheers muchly Read the rest of the comments below and still think cup run would be good! COYR Scouse Red
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Tue 12 Aug 14

old town robin says...

See Glenn Hoddle has joined Harry at QPR, could be there next manager in a year or two if Harry steps down.
See Glenn Hoddle has joined Harry at QPR, could be there next manager in a year or two if Harry steps down. old town robin
  • Score: -5

12:41pm Tue 12 Aug 14

the wizard says...

Manc, our boys getting a draw at Manure, you obviously know something we don't, so I'll go Dutch with you on any info you have, LOL.
Manc, our boys getting a draw at Manure, you obviously know something we don't, so I'll go Dutch with you on any info you have, LOL. the wizard
  • Score: -3

1:06pm Tue 12 Aug 14

port de soller says...

Yes a "WIN" no doubt would benefit STFC no end.Plus I think would give the Team an uplift and add to there confidence especially away from home.
No way should they underestimate Luton Town.
Also just read Sothampton have paid out mega money for a CB so hopefully JS could be on his way to the CG.
Anyone got any news on Stiker???
Amazes me when it¨s doom and gloom all these posters with inside info know it all
Yes a "WIN" no doubt would benefit STFC no end.Plus I think would give the Team an uplift and add to there confidence especially away from home. No way should they underestimate Luton Town. Also just read Sothampton have paid out mega money for a CB so hopefully JS could be on his way to the CG. Anyone got any news on Stiker??? Amazes me when it¨s doom and gloom all these posters with inside info know it all port de soller
  • Score: -3

1:10pm Tue 12 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Steady on manc. For a start, I did not say either of the cups is pointless. My very first comment was that the money from a game against a big club would be useful.

Like all Town fans, I've been privileged to support a club with a great cup heritage. I believe there is no chance now of any club establishing a cup heritage because the big clubs don't give a monkey's about either cup. Every football fan who is old enough will always remember the real cup giant killing exploits of say Hereford, Yeovil and Swindon. How many cup results of recent years have gone into football folklore? I can't think of one.

So no, I'm afraid I will not be buzzing if it turns out we get a draw - or even a win - against Manchester United reserves at Old Trafford. I'll get quite a buzz if we win at Luton tonight though.
Havant and Waterlooville at Liverpool immediately springs to mind Den.

Also wouldn't mind beating Man U reserves as they are probably a better team than most of the team that played in the top flight in the 70's.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Steady on manc. For a start, I did not say either of the cups is pointless. My very first comment was that the money from a game against a big club would be useful. Like all Town fans, I've been privileged to support a club with a great cup heritage. I believe there is no chance now of any club establishing a cup heritage because the big clubs don't give a monkey's about either cup. Every football fan who is old enough will always remember the real cup giant killing exploits of say Hereford, Yeovil and Swindon. How many cup results of recent years have gone into football folklore? I can't think of one. So no, I'm afraid I will not be buzzing if it turns out we get a draw - or even a win - against Manchester United reserves at Old Trafford. I'll get quite a buzz if we win at Luton tonight though.[/p][/quote]Havant and Waterlooville at Liverpool immediately springs to mind Den. Also wouldn't mind beating Man U reserves as they are probably a better team than most of the team that played in the top flight in the 70's. mancrobin
  • Score: 1

1:12pm Tue 12 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

the wizard wrote:
Manc, our boys getting a draw at Manure, you obviously know something we don't, so I'll go Dutch with you on any info you have, LOL.
Unfortunately Wiz, it's only in my theatre of dreams.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Manc, our boys getting a draw at Manure, you obviously know something we don't, so I'll go Dutch with you on any info you have, LOL.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately Wiz, it's only in my theatre of dreams. mancrobin
  • Score: 0

1:53pm Tue 12 Aug 14

London Red says...

I really don't understand some STFC fans - they seem to be a totally different breed to every other fan in the world!
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How can anyone not want to draw the big boys in the cup and write it off as a glorified friendly - because it doesn't "match" the cup of the 70s!
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Chelsea wasn't a "competition" as they fielded a verey strong team - with at least 8 playing in this years World Cup!
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Still a great night as the ground was packed, a great atmosphere in the build up (well I had a good one with all the people I went to the game with) and then as said above saw lots of world stars on show
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I would have thought everyone would want a decent league camapign challenging at the top and then a decent cup run or two ending with a tie against one of the big boys as we are never going to win it
I really don't understand some STFC fans - they seem to be a totally different breed to every other fan in the world! . How can anyone not want to draw the big boys in the cup and write it off as a glorified friendly - because it doesn't "match" the cup of the 70s! . Chelsea wasn't a "competition" as they fielded a verey strong team - with at least 8 playing in this years World Cup! . Still a great night as the ground was packed, a great atmosphere in the build up (well I had a good one with all the people I went to the game with) and then as said above saw lots of world stars on show . I would have thought everyone would want a decent league camapign challenging at the top and then a decent cup run or two ending with a tie against one of the big boys as we are never going to win it London Red
  • Score: 3

2:53pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

Well fellas, I think the facts are not in doubt. Top teams used to treat the Cup competitions with respect. They fielded their strongest sides and getting knocked out early was a major blow for them. The result of that was big passionate crowds and, very often, rip roaring battles. I disagree with LR about the atmosphere at the Chelsea game. It had all the atmosphere of an exhibition match. Supporters of big clubs used to dread the prospect of getting beaten by a smaller outfit like us and we used to relish the chance of pulling off a big upset. I suppose it can be argued that the big boys have good reason to treat the cups as little more than a hindrance nowadays but I don't think there's the slightest doubt that it's reduced the magic and romance of it all to a fraction of what it was.
Well fellas, I think the facts are not in doubt. Top teams used to treat the Cup competitions with respect. They fielded their strongest sides and getting knocked out early was a major blow for them. The result of that was big passionate crowds and, very often, rip roaring battles. I disagree with LR about the atmosphere at the Chelsea game. It had all the atmosphere of an exhibition match. Supporters of big clubs used to dread the prospect of getting beaten by a smaller outfit like us and we used to relish the chance of pulling off a big upset. I suppose it can be argued that the big boys have good reason to treat the cups as little more than a hindrance nowadays but I don't think there's the slightest doubt that it's reduced the magic and romance of it all to a fraction of what it was. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

2:56pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Swindon1984 says...

London Red wrote:
I really don't understand some STFC fans - they seem to be a totally different breed to every other fan in the world! . How can anyone not want to draw the big boys in the cup and write it off as a glorified friendly - because it doesn't "match" the cup of the 70s! . Chelsea wasn't a "competition" as they fielded a verey strong team - with at least 8 playing in this years World Cup! . Still a great night as the ground was packed, a great atmosphere in the build up (well I had a good one with all the people I went to the game with) and then as said above saw lots of world stars on show . I would have thought everyone would want a decent league camapign challenging at the top and then a decent cup run or two ending with a tie against one of the big boys as we are never going to win it
At the risk of getting shot, the Chelsea game didn't excite me as much as the earlier game with QPR which was fantastic, and getting Chelsea away would've been a far better prospect - love my away games and considering some of the grounds we've endured in recent years, drawing a top side away sounds like a great prospect to me. You also have a good atmosphere generated with everyone making the effort to get there, and can guarantee if it was away the majority would be town fans, rather than locals going to the county ground just to see a premiership team (not knocking anyone, as the gates are still good for the club, but there's nothing like a couple of thousand die hards outsinging the home team if we were to draw a big side away).

With you on your comments though, we've had some great times in the league cup over the past couple of years so not sure why people wouldn't be interested.

"So no, I'm afraid I will not be buzzing if it turns out we get a draw - or even a win - against Manchester United reserves at Old Trafford."

Den - can't believe you wouldn't be buzzing if we somehow beat Man United at Old Trafford. Whatever way you look at it they would have a strong side out, and it would be an amazing to place to walk away from with a win. Given they're not involved in Europe this year I'm sure the incentive of European football from a cup win would add some spice to their encounters this term, as well as being another chance at silverware.

OTR - it does go to penalties, first year was when we had wolves away and went out on penalties (same night Millwall and West Ham had a big ruck at Upton Park). The Semi finals are two legged but no replays in the competition.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand some STFC fans - they seem to be a totally different breed to every other fan in the world! . How can anyone not want to draw the big boys in the cup and write it off as a glorified friendly - because it doesn't "match" the cup of the 70s! . Chelsea wasn't a "competition" as they fielded a verey strong team - with at least 8 playing in this years World Cup! . Still a great night as the ground was packed, a great atmosphere in the build up (well I had a good one with all the people I went to the game with) and then as said above saw lots of world stars on show . I would have thought everyone would want a decent league camapign challenging at the top and then a decent cup run or two ending with a tie against one of the big boys as we are never going to win it[/p][/quote]At the risk of getting shot, the Chelsea game didn't excite me as much as the earlier game with QPR which was fantastic, and getting Chelsea away would've been a far better prospect - love my away games and considering some of the grounds we've endured in recent years, drawing a top side away sounds like a great prospect to me. You also have a good atmosphere generated with everyone making the effort to get there, and can guarantee if it was away the majority would be town fans, rather than locals going to the county ground just to see a premiership team (not knocking anyone, as the gates are still good for the club, but there's nothing like a couple of thousand die hards outsinging the home team if we were to draw a big side away). With you on your comments though, we've had some great times in the league cup over the past couple of years so not sure why people wouldn't be interested. "So no, I'm afraid I will not be buzzing if it turns out we get a draw - or even a win - against Manchester United reserves at Old Trafford." Den - can't believe you wouldn't be buzzing if we somehow beat Man United at Old Trafford. Whatever way you look at it they would have a strong side out, and it would be an amazing to place to walk away from with a win. Given they're not involved in Europe this year I'm sure the incentive of European football from a cup win would add some spice to their encounters this term, as well as being another chance at silverware. OTR - it does go to penalties, first year was when we had wolves away and went out on penalties (same night Millwall and West Ham had a big ruck at Upton Park). The Semi finals are two legged but no replays in the competition. Swindon1984
  • Score: -1

4:08pm Tue 12 Aug 14

London Red says...

The point is that the Big Boy Reserves are hardly reserves!
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Chelsea obviously rested some players (We do it as well in cup games!) - yet still put out a very very competitive side
.
Luiz - World Cup "star" and EUR 50m signing for PSG
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Cahill - Potential England Captain
.
Azpilicueta - World Cup "star",
.
Bertrand - England Capped
.
Essien - World Cup "star"
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Mata World Cup "star" and £27.5m signing for Man U
.
De Bruyne - World Cup "star" and £12m signing for Wolfsberg
.
Van Ginkel - would have been a star if not injuring himself during the game but was replaced with Ramires a World Cup "star"
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Willian £30m sigining and World Cup "star"
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Torres - £50m Reserve and World Cup "star"
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Not too mention Former Englnad Captain John Terry played as did Bar - who's goal put Chelsea into the Semi Final of the Champions League!
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If fans don't want to watch talent like that then why bother going to the cup game at all?
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Or watch the JPT - you don't get reserve teams in that!!!!!
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Teams below the big 6 or 7 don't filed reserve teams as it matter sto them - the top 6 or 7 do field "reserves" as the majority of the time that is good enough to get to the latter stages
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If no one took it seriously then why do the top 6 or 7 still dominate the cup finals and more often than not win it????????
.
I'm looking forward to tonight and then will be hoping for Man U away in the next round!
The point is that the Big Boy Reserves are hardly reserves! . Chelsea obviously rested some players (We do it as well in cup games!) - yet still put out a very very competitive side . Luiz - World Cup "star" and EUR 50m signing for PSG . Cahill - Potential England Captain . Azpilicueta - World Cup "star", . Bertrand - England Capped . Essien - World Cup "star" . Mata World Cup "star" and £27.5m signing for Man U . De Bruyne - World Cup "star" and £12m signing for Wolfsberg . Van Ginkel - would have been a star if not injuring himself during the game but was replaced with Ramires a World Cup "star" . Willian £30m sigining and World Cup "star" . Torres - £50m Reserve and World Cup "star" . Not too mention Former Englnad Captain John Terry played as did Bar - who's goal put Chelsea into the Semi Final of the Champions League! . If fans don't want to watch talent like that then why bother going to the cup game at all? . Or watch the JPT - you don't get reserve teams in that!!!!! . Teams below the big 6 or 7 don't filed reserve teams as it matter sto them - the top 6 or 7 do field "reserves" as the majority of the time that is good enough to get to the latter stages . If no one took it seriously then why do the top 6 or 7 still dominate the cup finals and more often than not win it???????? . I'm looking forward to tonight and then will be hoping for Man U away in the next round! London Red
  • Score: 0

5:13pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

All that detail is fine LR but it doesn't change the fact that the cup competitions are not treated seriously by the big clubs. There would not be so many early exits if they did. That's why I say it's difficult to know what is a true upset now.
All that detail is fine LR but it doesn't change the fact that the cup competitions are not treated seriously by the big clubs. There would not be so many early exits if they did. That's why I say it's difficult to know what is a true upset now. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

5:40pm Tue 12 Aug 14

CraftyPig says...

London Red wrote:
The point is that the Big Boy Reserves are hardly reserves!
.
Chelsea obviously rested some players (We do it as well in cup games!) - yet still put out a very very competitive side
.
Luiz - World Cup "star" and EUR 50m signing for PSG
.
Cahill - Potential England Captain
.
Azpilicueta - World Cup "star",
.
Bertrand - England Capped
.
Essien - World Cup "star"
.
Mata World Cup "star" and £27.5m signing for Man U
.
De Bruyne - World Cup "star" and £12m signing for Wolfsberg
.
Van Ginkel - would have been a star if not injuring himself during the game but was replaced with Ramires a World Cup "star"
.
Willian £30m sigining and World Cup "star"
.
Torres - £50m Reserve and World Cup "star"
.
Not too mention Former Englnad Captain John Terry played as did Bar - who's goal put Chelsea into the Semi Final of the Champions League!
.
If fans don't want to watch talent like that then why bother going to the cup game at all?
.
Or watch the JPT - you don't get reserve teams in that!!!!!
.
Teams below the big 6 or 7 don't filed reserve teams as it matter sto them - the top 6 or 7 do field "reserves" as the majority of the time that is good enough to get to the latter stages
.
If no one took it seriously then why do the top 6 or 7 still dominate the cup finals and more often than not win it????????
.
I'm looking forward to tonight and then will be hoping for Man U away in the next round!
For me the point is that the Chelsea match just wasn't competitive. Yes we kept the ball very well and demonstrated our philosophy but we never threatened Chelsea and they didn't get out of first gear.

Compare that to the prevous game against City that had everything. I'd take that everyday over a similar fixture in the cup. I think next time I'd watch a game against the top 4 on TV. That is not to say that I don't want Utd away in the next round. Certainly appreciate the pay day just not the game itself!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: The point is that the Big Boy Reserves are hardly reserves! . Chelsea obviously rested some players (We do it as well in cup games!) - yet still put out a very very competitive side . Luiz - World Cup "star" and EUR 50m signing for PSG . Cahill - Potential England Captain . Azpilicueta - World Cup "star", . Bertrand - England Capped . Essien - World Cup "star" . Mata World Cup "star" and £27.5m signing for Man U . De Bruyne - World Cup "star" and £12m signing for Wolfsberg . Van Ginkel - would have been a star if not injuring himself during the game but was replaced with Ramires a World Cup "star" . Willian £30m sigining and World Cup "star" . Torres - £50m Reserve and World Cup "star" . Not too mention Former Englnad Captain John Terry played as did Bar - who's goal put Chelsea into the Semi Final of the Champions League! . If fans don't want to watch talent like that then why bother going to the cup game at all? . Or watch the JPT - you don't get reserve teams in that!!!!! . Teams below the big 6 or 7 don't filed reserve teams as it matter sto them - the top 6 or 7 do field "reserves" as the majority of the time that is good enough to get to the latter stages . If no one took it seriously then why do the top 6 or 7 still dominate the cup finals and more often than not win it???????? . I'm looking forward to tonight and then will be hoping for Man U away in the next round![/p][/quote]For me the point is that the Chelsea match just wasn't competitive. Yes we kept the ball very well and demonstrated our philosophy but we never threatened Chelsea and they didn't get out of first gear. Compare that to the prevous game against City that had everything. I'd take that everyday over a similar fixture in the cup. I think next time I'd watch a game against the top 4 on TV. That is not to say that I don't want Utd away in the next round. Certainly appreciate the pay day just not the game itself! CraftyPig
  • Score: 1

7:29pm Tue 12 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

For me the Stoke game was a throwback to the good old giant-killing days and the atmosphere was fantastic and the game was in a knife edge until the last kick in extra time.

Conversely I agree with those who said the Chelsea game was dull - it was - as ditchwater because we didn't compete or even threaten to.

And LR like it or not Den is right the big boys - not your Stoke's etc simply don't take the two domestic cup competitions seriously any more - unless they reach the final and Arsenal were desperate to win any trophy so they fielded their best.

At Kenilworth Road waiting for kick off - I'd forgotten what a compact ground it is - here's hoping for a win to progress and generate some revenue at least.
For me the Stoke game was a throwback to the good old giant-killing days and the atmosphere was fantastic and the game was in a knife edge until the last kick in extra time. Conversely I agree with those who said the Chelsea game was dull - it was - as ditchwater because we didn't compete or even threaten to. And LR like it or not Den is right the big boys - not your Stoke's etc simply don't take the two domestic cup competitions seriously any more - unless they reach the final and Arsenal were desperate to win any trophy so they fielded their best. At Kenilworth Road waiting for kick off - I'd forgotten what a compact ground it is - here's hoping for a win to progress and generate some revenue at least. The Jockster
  • Score: 1

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