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Campaigners join big austerity demo

Swindon Advertiser: Kate Linnegar at an austerity protest last year Kate Linnegar at an austerity protest last year

A COACHLOAD of Swindon campaigners are heading to London on Saturday to take part in a No More Austerity demonstration.

Swindon People’s Assembly, part of a national pressure group, will be taking 57 members and joining 100 other sister groups from across the country in the action.

The society is part of People’s Assembly Against Austerity, which launched in 2013 and has the backing of trade unions including Unite and Unison. The London demonstration will start at BBC HQ at 1pm with the crowd marching to Parliament Square.

There will be speeches from comedian Russell Brand, Jeremy Corbyn MP and Len McCluskey, Unite’s general secretary, among others.

Kate Linnegar, Swindon People’s Assembly secretary, said: “The aim of the event is to get as many people together as possible to show the Government that we are against the continued cuts they are making.

“The response has been really good in Swindon, all our places on the coach are taken and if each group from across the country can take a coachload we’ll have a big crowd.”

Kate said that People’s Assembly Against Austerity launched when campaigners, highlighting a variety of causes, decided to club together. Saturday’s rally is calling for the Government to revise its cuts programme, invest in social housing, introduce a statutory living wage and safeguard the NHS.

Kate said: “Some people are unaware of what is happening. Some people feel perhaps that they are not affected by these policies. They may discover they are if they become sick, disabled or unemployed.

“Perhaps when they have to pay to see their GP or find they have to do workfare to receive any benefits, or can’t access affordable legal aid, or can’t earn enough to pay their food, heating and travel costs, they will realise what is happening. “The only way to make a change is for millions of us stand up together and say that this is unacceptable.”

The Swindon group will be setting off from Coate at 10am and Kate said plans are in place to welcome anyone else who wishes to join the demonstration.

She said: “If people still want to come, the coaches from Bristol People’s Assembly and Unite have offered to pick people up from Swindon. We’re also considering sorting out car shares or hiring a minibus if we have enough interest.”

Tonight, Swindon People’s Assembly members will be in Canal Walk, between 5-6pm, to highlight their cause and welcome anyone who wishes to travel to London with them on Saturday.

For more information call 01793 522824 or email peoplesassemblyswindon@gmx.co.uk

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7:51am Wed 18 Jun 14

StillPav says...

It's funny. There is a story a few up from this about a prolific burglar and drug-addict who is about to father his fifth child.

This is proof that benefits in this country are far too generous and need to be drastically cut.
It's funny. There is a story a few up from this about a prolific burglar and drug-addict who is about to father his fifth child. This is proof that benefits in this country are far too generous and need to be drastically cut. StillPav
  • Score: 13

9:57am Wed 18 Jun 14

AnotherRespondent says...

If this guy is such a prolific burglar, perhaps he funded his lifestyle with the proceeds of his prolific burglaries. I'm not sure this is proof of how benefits across the whole country should he cut for everyone
If this guy is such a prolific burglar, perhaps he funded his lifestyle with the proceeds of his prolific burglaries. I'm not sure this is proof of how benefits across the whole country should he cut for everyone AnotherRespondent
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10:19am Wed 18 Jun 14

The Real Librarian says...

Hmm, the large banners rather neatly disguise the fact that there are only five people at this "demo!"

Where did they find 57 people to fill a coach?

Are the other 52 going shopping?
Hmm, the large banners rather neatly disguise the fact that there are only five people at this "demo!" Where did they find 57 people to fill a coach? Are the other 52 going shopping? The Real Librarian
  • Score: 5

10:23am Wed 18 Jun 14

The Real Librarian says...

QUOTE
The society is part of People’s Assembly Against Austerity, which launched in 2013 and has the backing of trade unions including Unite and Unison.
UNQUOTE

Can I assume that Unite and Unison will be withdrawing their support from the Labour Party in the light of the piece by Andrew Rawnsley in the Observer on Sunday which made it clear that whoever wins the next election, the cuts will be greater and deeper than currently and that Labour are preparing to make those cuts.
QUOTE The society is part of People’s Assembly Against Austerity, which launched in 2013 and has the backing of trade unions including Unite and Unison. UNQUOTE Can I assume that Unite and Unison will be withdrawing their support from the Labour Party in the light of the piece by Andrew Rawnsley in the Observer on Sunday which made it clear that whoever wins the next election, the cuts will be greater and deeper than currently and that Labour are preparing to make those cuts. The Real Librarian
  • Score: 12

10:48am Wed 18 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

StillPav wrote:
It's funny. There is a story a few up from this about a prolific burglar and drug-addict who is about to father his fifth child.

This is proof that benefits in this country are far too generous and need to be drastically cut.
It doesn't prove that at all. If anything it does the opposite as he steals to fund himself.
Not defending him or anything but the two issues are not relevant to each other really. Putting people on the breadline into further poverty is your answer? What about the law abiding people struggling on benefits?
[quote][p][bold]StillPav[/bold] wrote: It's funny. There is a story a few up from this about a prolific burglar and drug-addict who is about to father his fifth child. This is proof that benefits in this country are far too generous and need to be drastically cut.[/p][/quote]It doesn't prove that at all. If anything it does the opposite as he steals to fund himself. Not defending him or anything but the two issues are not relevant to each other really. Putting people on the breadline into further poverty is your answer? What about the law abiding people struggling on benefits? Davey Gravey
  • Score: -4

11:31am Wed 18 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

NOBODY should be getting more in benefits than they have actually paid in, period!
NOBODY should be getting more in benefits than they have actually paid in, period! A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 6

12:13pm Wed 18 Jun 14

sonic69 says...

I'll be giving out leaflets this afternoon in order to let people know what is going on. I'll also be going to the Demo in London on saturday to help expose the Government betrayal of all of us. Unfortunately, as with other demos, it may not be reported on the news...funny that. Are the Government censoring legitimate protest of their actions? Surely not!!! Don't they want the people of this country to know about what they're doing? What have they got to hide? Maybe it's the fact that they're selling off profitable bits of OUR Welfare State to their corporate chums as a way of destroying OUR Welfare State that was set up to protect ALL of us in time of need. Our NHS has recently been shown to be the best and most cost effective system of healthcare in the world but this Government want to dismantle it for dogmatic reasons and to make a profit out of it. Don't forget, that we all pay into the system via NI contributions and that people who claim are NOT all scroungers. When you consider the MPs expenses scandals that have been exposed then the real scroungers would seem to be the politicians themselves. Our electoral system allows us our vote every 5 years, in the meantime the Government seem to do whatever they want to. Protest marches are the peoples way of putting our point of view across in between voting.
I'll be giving out leaflets this afternoon in order to let people know what is going on. I'll also be going to the Demo in London on saturday to help expose the Government betrayal of all of us. Unfortunately, as with other demos, it may not be reported on the news...funny that. Are the Government censoring legitimate protest of their actions? Surely not!!! Don't they want the people of this country to know about what they're doing? What have they got to hide? Maybe it's the fact that they're selling off profitable bits of OUR Welfare State to their corporate chums as a way of destroying OUR Welfare State that was set up to protect ALL of us in time of need. Our NHS has recently been shown to be the best and most cost effective system of healthcare in the world but this Government want to dismantle it for dogmatic reasons and to make a profit out of it. Don't forget, that we all pay into the system via NI contributions and that people who claim are NOT all scroungers. When you consider the MPs expenses scandals that have been exposed then the real scroungers would seem to be the politicians themselves. Our electoral system allows us our vote every 5 years, in the meantime the Government seem to do whatever they want to. Protest marches are the peoples way of putting our point of view across in between voting. sonic69
  • Score: -4

12:32pm Wed 18 Jun 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

sonic69 wrote:
I'll be giving out leaflets this afternoon in order to let people know what is going on. I'll also be going to the Demo in London on saturday to help expose the Government betrayal of all of us. Unfortunately, as with other demos, it may not be reported on the news...funny that. Are the Government censoring legitimate protest of their actions? Surely not!!! Don't they want the people of this country to know about what they're doing? What have they got to hide? Maybe it's the fact that they're selling off profitable bits of OUR Welfare State to their corporate chums as a way of destroying OUR Welfare State that was set up to protect ALL of us in time of need. Our NHS has recently been shown to be the best and most cost effective system of healthcare in the world but this Government want to dismantle it for dogmatic reasons and to make a profit out of it. Don't forget, that we all pay into the system via NI contributions and that people who claim are NOT all scroungers. When you consider the MPs expenses scandals that have been exposed then the real scroungers would seem to be the politicians themselves. Our electoral system allows us our vote every 5 years, in the meantime the Government seem to do whatever they want to. Protest marches are the peoples way of putting our point of view across in between voting.
Could you perhaps explain how the government is "betraying all of us" - who exactly is "us" - it certainly isn't me. Reducing the size and cost of the welfare state is imperative to our future prosperity as a nation.

Our NHS is awful in so many ways if you actually have to use it. Certainly the NI contributions I pay far outstrip the annual cost of my private healthcare (by as much as 6 times more expensive) For that I get disinterested staff, long waiting times, poor food and dirty hospitals. So whilst there is plenty that the NHS does very well, there is plenty of room for improvement too.

Expenses scandals while deplorable are irrelevant to this issue and tiny in comparison.

As a country we're still spending billions more than we receive in income. It's all very well to complain about austerity but if the country was a private individual or small business it would be long since bankrupt. If we don't get the public finances under control that's the only likely outcome for the country too.
[quote][p][bold]sonic69[/bold] wrote: I'll be giving out leaflets this afternoon in order to let people know what is going on. I'll also be going to the Demo in London on saturday to help expose the Government betrayal of all of us. Unfortunately, as with other demos, it may not be reported on the news...funny that. Are the Government censoring legitimate protest of their actions? Surely not!!! Don't they want the people of this country to know about what they're doing? What have they got to hide? Maybe it's the fact that they're selling off profitable bits of OUR Welfare State to their corporate chums as a way of destroying OUR Welfare State that was set up to protect ALL of us in time of need. Our NHS has recently been shown to be the best and most cost effective system of healthcare in the world but this Government want to dismantle it for dogmatic reasons and to make a profit out of it. Don't forget, that we all pay into the system via NI contributions and that people who claim are NOT all scroungers. When you consider the MPs expenses scandals that have been exposed then the real scroungers would seem to be the politicians themselves. Our electoral system allows us our vote every 5 years, in the meantime the Government seem to do whatever they want to. Protest marches are the peoples way of putting our point of view across in between voting.[/p][/quote]Could you perhaps explain how the government is "betraying all of us" - who exactly is "us" - it certainly isn't me. Reducing the size and cost of the welfare state is imperative to our future prosperity as a nation. Our NHS is awful in so many ways if you actually have to use it. Certainly the NI contributions I pay far outstrip the annual cost of my private healthcare (by as much as 6 times more expensive) For that I get disinterested staff, long waiting times, poor food and dirty hospitals. So whilst there is plenty that the NHS does very well, there is plenty of room for improvement too. Expenses scandals while deplorable are irrelevant to this issue and tiny in comparison. As a country we're still spending billions more than we receive in income. It's all very well to complain about austerity but if the country was a private individual or small business it would be long since bankrupt. If we don't get the public finances under control that's the only likely outcome for the country too. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 7

1:34pm Wed 18 Jun 14

house on the hill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
StillPav wrote:
It's funny. There is a story a few up from this about a prolific burglar and drug-addict who is about to father his fifth child.

This is proof that benefits in this country are far too generous and need to be drastically cut.
It doesn't prove that at all. If anything it does the opposite as he steals to fund himself.
Not defending him or anything but the two issues are not relevant to each other really. Putting people on the breadline into further poverty is your answer? What about the law abiding people struggling on benefits?
maybe you should look at why they are on benefits? and there are clearly many differing views on what the "breadline" actually is or should be. But I do like Michael Gove's idea of fining parents who dont control their kids and send them to school with anti social attitudes.

Getting back on topic, what always annoys me about these morons is that they never have a workable alternative, they just like to moan!
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StillPav[/bold] wrote: It's funny. There is a story a few up from this about a prolific burglar and drug-addict who is about to father his fifth child. This is proof that benefits in this country are far too generous and need to be drastically cut.[/p][/quote]It doesn't prove that at all. If anything it does the opposite as he steals to fund himself. Not defending him or anything but the two issues are not relevant to each other really. Putting people on the breadline into further poverty is your answer? What about the law abiding people struggling on benefits?[/p][/quote]maybe you should look at why they are on benefits? and there are clearly many differing views on what the "breadline" actually is or should be. But I do like Michael Gove's idea of fining parents who dont control their kids and send them to school with anti social attitudes. Getting back on topic, what always annoys me about these morons is that they never have a workable alternative, they just like to moan! house on the hill
  • Score: 4

3:13pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Hmmmf says...

Population of Swindon ca. 210,000, of which an assortment of 57 will be travelling to London to listen to self-styled ex-junkie brain-fried messiah Russell Brand, and, of all people, Len McCluskey (who is paid £122k pa from Union dues and has a very nice final salary pension scheme lined up, no austerity there then, eh?). The Government really doesn't need to 'censor' the event, Ms Linnegar, not when the nation's media can find so many matters of real national interest and relevance to report.
Population of Swindon ca. 210,000, of which an assortment of 57 will be travelling to London to listen to self-styled ex-junkie brain-fried messiah Russell Brand, and, of all people, Len McCluskey (who is paid £122k pa from Union dues and has a very nice final salary pension scheme lined up, no austerity there then, eh?). The Government really doesn't need to 'censor' the event, Ms Linnegar, not when the nation's media can find so many matters of real national interest and relevance to report. Hmmmf
  • Score: 2

8:48pm Wed 18 Jun 14

MrAngry says...

@Sonic

I agree with Hmmmf, if only 57 people attend from a town with a population of 200,000, the protest is insignificant. The media would right to ignore it.
@Sonic I agree with Hmmmf, if only 57 people attend from a town with a population of 200,000, the protest is insignificant. The media would right to ignore it. MrAngry
  • Score: 4

10:42pm Wed 18 Jun 14

sonic69 says...

@Hmmmf
Firstly I'd like to say that I'm not Ms Linnegar.

Secondly, I agree that it is regretable that only 57 people will be on the one coach going from Swindon but for a pressure group that has only been in existence for less than a year it's a start and there are a few others who will make other arrangements to get there. Estimates for the 'Demo' as a whole range from 5,000 to 10,000 for the whole country. It is also regretable that this current Government got in although only 38% of the electorate voted for Conservatives or Lib Dems.
Our aim is to put our point of view across about how we see the Government acting that we believe is more concerned with destroying the Welfare State and selling off our countrys assets cheaply for the benefit of a few percent of rich people to make even more money at the expense of the rest of the UKs population. Fracking is another example of profit before people where they use the excuse that we need the Energy to continue with our lifestyle. Whats wrong with investing in Renewable Energy? Germany now produce over 50% of their energy from renewables and are doing away with dirty and dangerous methods of producing energy.
Benefits are there for people to use when circumstances make it impossible or difficult to work through no fault of their own. The fact that the Government and the right wing media has continually promoted the idea that most people on benefits are scroungers or thieves where these benefits are paid for out of NI contributions and the Governments own statistics estimate that 0.7% is lost through fraud. What percentage of MPs expenses are faudulently claimed? Maria Miller publicly confessed to cheating the expenses system but just got a slap on the wrist and demoted rather than investigated and punished like a benefit fraudster would be! I'm sure that she'll be back when people will have forgotten about her behaviour.
A bill has just been approved which can allow the Government to overrule Local Councils refusal of Planning Permission. I wonder who this would benefit??? The 'secret' negotiation of Trans Pacific agreement which will allow foreign companies to sue the UK Government if they pass legislation that might harm their profits!!! What is that about other than a blatant over ruling of our 'elected' Government. The secret Bilderberg meetings with ministers and company heads from around the world that happens every year. Why the secrecy???
The NHS is deliberately being underfunded and understaffed so as to make iprivatisation look better. Look at our Railways for evidence of Privatisation at work. Most expensive fares in Europe, longer journey times to meet Government requirements on punctuality. G4S 'losing' prisoners and not being able to provide security at the 2012 Olympics. ATOS and SERCO found to be overcharging for their services. DWP found to have been lying about their statistics. People needing to use foodbanks due to cutting off of benefits or 'snactioned' as its called. Targets for Sanctioning...is just plain madness, you cannot set targets for the needy! Government saying that the UK debt is coming down when they've borrowed more in 4 years than the last govebnment borrowed in 13 years. Poverty increasing! This must be the most corrupt Government that this country has ever had selling us all out for their own greed and power.
@The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man,
Glad to hear that you're doing allright though.
@Hmmmf Firstly I'd like to say that I'm not Ms Linnegar. Secondly, I agree that it is regretable that only 57 people will be on the one coach going from Swindon but for a pressure group that has only been in existence for less than a year it's a start and there are a few others who will make other arrangements to get there. Estimates for the 'Demo' as a whole range from 5,000 to 10,000 for the whole country. It is also regretable that this current Government got in although only 38% of the electorate voted for Conservatives or Lib Dems. Our aim is to put our point of view across about how we see the Government acting that we believe is more concerned with destroying the Welfare State and selling off our countrys assets cheaply for the benefit of a few percent of rich people to make even more money at the expense of the rest of the UKs population. Fracking is another example of profit before people where they use the excuse that we need the Energy to continue with our lifestyle. Whats wrong with investing in Renewable Energy? Germany now produce over 50% of their energy from renewables and are doing away with dirty and dangerous methods of producing energy. Benefits are there for people to use when circumstances make it impossible or difficult to work through no fault of their own. The fact that the Government and the right wing media has continually promoted the idea that most people on benefits are scroungers or thieves where these benefits are paid for out of NI contributions and the Governments own statistics estimate that 0.7% is lost through fraud. What percentage of MPs expenses are faudulently claimed? Maria Miller publicly confessed to cheating the expenses system but just got a slap on the wrist and demoted rather than investigated and punished like a benefit fraudster would be! I'm sure that she'll be back when people will have forgotten about her behaviour. A bill has just been approved which can allow the Government to overrule Local Councils refusal of Planning Permission. I wonder who this would benefit??? The 'secret' negotiation of Trans Pacific agreement which will allow foreign companies to sue the UK Government if they pass legislation that might harm their profits!!! What is that about other than a blatant over ruling of our 'elected' Government. The secret Bilderberg meetings with ministers and company heads from around the world that happens every year. Why the secrecy??? The NHS is deliberately being underfunded and understaffed so as to make iprivatisation look better. Look at our Railways for evidence of Privatisation at work. Most expensive fares in Europe, longer journey times to meet Government requirements on punctuality. G4S 'losing' prisoners and not being able to provide security at the 2012 Olympics. ATOS and SERCO found to be overcharging for their services. DWP found to have been lying about their statistics. People needing to use foodbanks due to cutting off of benefits or 'snactioned' as its called. Targets for Sanctioning...is just plain madness, you cannot set targets for the needy! Government saying that the UK debt is coming down when they've borrowed more in 4 years than the last govebnment borrowed in 13 years. Poverty increasing! This must be the most corrupt Government that this country has ever had selling us all out for their own greed and power. @The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man, Glad to hear that you're doing allright though. sonic69
  • Score: -1

7:48am Thu 19 Jun 14

Alex English says...

The current government are spending more on the NHS than has ever been spent on it in the history of the existence of the NHS. They are spending more money per annum than any other government ever has.

It is also hard to take seriously a claim that the NHS is being underfunded when it now consumes directly £120 Billion per year. What would be considered fully funded? £180 Billion? £240 Billion? And at which point do we decide that bankrupting the nation completely is worthwhile as long as the NHS is able to employ yet more middle-managers?
The current government are spending more on the NHS than has ever been spent on it in the history of the existence of the NHS. They are spending more money per annum than any other government ever has. It is also hard to take seriously a claim that the NHS is being underfunded when it now consumes directly £120 Billion per year. What would be considered fully funded? £180 Billion? £240 Billion? And at which point do we decide that bankrupting the nation completely is worthwhile as long as the NHS is able to employ yet more middle-managers? Alex English
  • Score: 4

11:58am Thu 19 Jun 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Government are spending more than ever before but wouldnt it also be fair to say there are more people?
There are numerous examples of government at best wasting money at worst siphoning funds for personal needs / agendas or expenses to fund lifestyle. When this is reported a gagging order is put in place.

Yes some people have made fraudulent benefit claims. These examples are turned into television series demonizing all people that claim benefits leading to the attitudes that all benefits claimants are scroungers. The amounts of money involved here pale in comparison to funds wasted by councils and government.

Irrelevant of numbers going from Swindon it is great to see people standing up for beliefs and looking to improve society as a whole.
Wish you all the best of luck.
Government are spending more than ever before but wouldnt it also be fair to say there are more people? There are numerous examples of government at best wasting money at worst siphoning funds for personal needs / agendas or expenses to fund lifestyle. When this is reported a gagging order is put in place. Yes some people have made fraudulent benefit claims. These examples are turned into television series demonizing all people that claim benefits leading to the attitudes that all benefits claimants are scroungers. The amounts of money involved here pale in comparison to funds wasted by councils and government. Irrelevant of numbers going from Swindon it is great to see people standing up for beliefs and looking to improve society as a whole. Wish you all the best of luck. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Thu 19 Jun 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

@sonic69 - where did I say "I'm doing alright"?.

53% of the nation take more in benefits than they provide in taxes. How's this sustainable?

Germany energy costs are almost double of ours to pay for this "investment in renewables". They've recently had to cut subsidies for solar and wind power to contain the massive price increases, and have exempted business from paying it to remain somewhat competitive. It is not a good model to follow.

The NHS is not underfunded - in fact it consumes vast amounts of our money. Unfortunately much of the money is not spent on providing healthcare but rather paying for excessive layers of management.

Finally, I'm guessing you do not understand how budget deficits work, or how they can cripple a country. Each year our overall deficit goes up (and £50bn of the increase last year was in debt repayments on pre-existing debt), reduces the ability of the country to invest. Looking at it another way, if we did not have that debt we would have an additional £50bn investment cash for the country without doing anything else at all. Until we get a grip on the finances of the country, we are limiting our ability to invest in future prosperity. With an overall benefits bill of nearly £700bn, and tax receipts totalling around £550bn, it seems rather a sensible suggestion to try and limit the benefits outgoings a bit don't you think?
@sonic69 - where did I say "I'm doing alright"?. 53% of the nation take more in benefits than they provide in taxes. How's this sustainable? Germany energy costs are almost double of ours to pay for this "investment in renewables". They've recently had to cut subsidies for solar and wind power to contain the massive price increases, and have exempted business from paying it to remain somewhat competitive. It is not a good model to follow. The NHS is not underfunded - in fact it consumes vast amounts of our money. Unfortunately much of the money is not spent on providing healthcare but rather paying for excessive layers of management. Finally, I'm guessing you do not understand how budget deficits work, or how they can cripple a country. Each year our overall deficit goes up (and £50bn of the increase last year was in debt repayments on pre-existing debt), reduces the ability of the country to invest. Looking at it another way, if we did not have that debt we would have an additional £50bn investment cash for the country without doing anything else at all. Until we get a grip on the finances of the country, we are limiting our ability to invest in future prosperity. With an overall benefits bill of nearly £700bn, and tax receipts totalling around £550bn, it seems rather a sensible suggestion to try and limit the benefits outgoings a bit don't you think? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 3

12:39pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

I cannot stand Russell Brand I feel he devalues any issue. His questions are nothing new are we supposed to be happy he sobered up long enough to have a social conscience.
Personally I wouldnt want him anywhere near my cause.
I cannot stand Russell Brand I feel he devalues any issue. His questions are nothing new are we supposed to be happy he sobered up long enough to have a social conscience. Personally I wouldnt want him anywhere near my cause. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

2:12am Fri 20 Jun 14

sonic69 says...

@The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
'Could you perhaps explain how the government is "betraying all of us" - who exactly is "us" - it certainly isn't me.'
Apologies on my part for misinterpretation.
By 'us' I meant the people of the UK that the Government are supposed to represent, which I assumed included you! My misinterpretation was that you were saying that you weren't one of 'us' that have been shafted by this and previous governments.
Meanwhile...
Dear Mr Cameron,

The world is facing the greatest challenge it has ever had to face. We are engaged in a global economic war in which corporations and governments have united to exploit all the Earths resources including 'human resources' for profit. We are in a state of perpetual war in which endless new enemies are invented to perpetuate fear and insecurity in pursuit of incalculable profits. Every disaster, man made or natural, is a profitable opportunity in which human life and quality of life is sacrificed for profit.

This is world war three and it is being pursued relentlessly by banks, corporations and governments in which ordinary people are sacrificed for the ideology of greed. Human rights and protections have been, and continue to be, stripped away as ordinary people die to satisfy the greed of ecocidal corporate terrorists.

We have reached the tipping point, a titanic clash of world visions. Governments no longer serve the people, they are relentlessly promoting the 'markets' which are anything but free, in which our dead are not only no longer counted, but are treated with the utmost contempt.

This is a war of welfare vs warfare, humanity vs profit, well being vs want, poverty and death. This is the war of humanity against global economically generated genocide!

This is no longer about the ballot box, this is a daily war in which silence is a vote. Austerity kills in a war of want imposed by government, death by a million sanctions, in which people are denied the means of survival.

These are the times and this is the day and every day to stand up and say 'No!'. Democracy is a choice in which silence is the enemy of democracy. No more austerity! No more deaths! No more market driven exploitation! No more government oppression of the people! End the crime of ideologically driven poverty! We have a duty to stop you and your government from harming ordinary people! Hunger, fuel poverty and want are not the enemy, the people who drive them are the real enemy! Governments should protect the people not attack them! As the saying goes, 'an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure'!

Stop the war!
@The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man 'Could you perhaps explain how the government is "betraying all of us" - who exactly is "us" - it certainly isn't me.' Apologies on my part for misinterpretation. By 'us' I meant the people of the UK that the Government are supposed to represent, which I assumed included you! My misinterpretation was that you were saying that you weren't one of 'us' that have been shafted by this and previous governments. Meanwhile... Dear Mr Cameron, The world is facing the greatest challenge it has ever had to face. We are engaged in a global economic war in which corporations and governments have united to exploit all the Earths resources including 'human resources' for profit. We are in a state of perpetual war in which endless new enemies are invented to perpetuate fear and insecurity in pursuit of incalculable profits. Every disaster, man made or natural, is a profitable opportunity in which human life and quality of life is sacrificed for profit. This is world war three and it is being pursued relentlessly by banks, corporations and governments in which ordinary people are sacrificed for the ideology of greed. Human rights and protections have been, and continue to be, stripped away as ordinary people die to satisfy the greed of ecocidal corporate terrorists. We have reached the tipping point, a titanic clash of world visions. Governments no longer serve the people, they are relentlessly promoting the 'markets' which are anything but free, in which our dead are not only no longer counted, but are treated with the utmost contempt. This is a war of welfare vs warfare, humanity vs profit, well being vs want, poverty and death. This is the war of humanity against global economically generated genocide! This is no longer about the ballot box, this is a daily war in which silence is a vote. Austerity kills in a war of want imposed by government, death by a million sanctions, in which people are denied the means of survival. These are the times and this is the day and every day to stand up and say 'No!'. Democracy is a choice in which silence is the enemy of democracy. No more austerity! No more deaths! No more market driven exploitation! No more government oppression of the people! End the crime of ideologically driven poverty! We have a duty to stop you and your government from harming ordinary people! Hunger, fuel poverty and want are not the enemy, the people who drive them are the real enemy! Governments should protect the people not attack them! As the saying goes, 'an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure'! Stop the war! sonic69
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7:09pm Sat 21 Jun 14

grolies says...

"people should only receive benefits they paid in"
When children are born or become disabled, everyone feels sorry for them and support charities that help them; they're seen as innocent. Presumably when they turn 18 it all becomes their fault.
How about those injured at work and never able to work again? My friend's husband who was fallen on by a forklift truck in a warehouse, has permanent serious brain damage though nothing visibly wrong with him and drives everyone nuts constantly asking where he is?
How about the nurses who pick up permanent infections from patients or ruin their backs? I had a friend, a nurse, whose life was permanently ruined by MRSA caught working in hospital.

I bet the same sympathetic people are the reason i keep seeing the adults with mild learning disabilities who i can see unemployed far longer at the job centre when they're perfectly capable of work and who always get the sack first because they're easier to pick on - or can i assume that the people who want benefits cut are the sorts who would always employ a person with Down's syndrome, without prejudice?

If one person being on benefits is a thief and all should lose theirs, why, one person in the UK is a murderer so give every citizen a stiff jail sentence. Please talk sense.
"people should only receive benefits they paid in" When children are born or become disabled, everyone feels sorry for them and support charities that help them; they're seen as innocent. Presumably when they turn 18 it all becomes their fault. How about those injured at work and never able to work again? My friend's husband who was fallen on by a forklift truck in a warehouse, has permanent serious brain damage though nothing visibly wrong with him and drives everyone nuts constantly asking where he is? How about the nurses who pick up permanent infections from patients or ruin their backs? I had a friend, a nurse, whose life was permanently ruined by MRSA caught working in hospital. I bet the same sympathetic people are the reason i keep seeing the adults with mild learning disabilities who i can see unemployed far longer at the job centre when they're perfectly capable of work and who always get the sack first because they're easier to pick on - or can i assume that the people who want benefits cut are the sorts who would always employ a person with Down's syndrome, without prejudice? If one person being on benefits is a thief and all should lose theirs, why, one person in the UK is a murderer so give every citizen a stiff jail sentence. Please talk sense. grolies
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7:43pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

grolies wrote:
"people should only receive benefits they paid in"
When children are born or become disabled, everyone feels sorry for them and support charities that help them; they're seen as innocent. Presumably when they turn 18 it all becomes their fault.
How about those injured at work and never able to work again? My friend's husband who was fallen on by a forklift truck in a warehouse, has permanent serious brain damage though nothing visibly wrong with him and drives everyone nuts constantly asking where he is?
How about the nurses who pick up permanent infections from patients or ruin their backs? I had a friend, a nurse, whose life was permanently ruined by MRSA caught working in hospital.

I bet the same sympathetic people are the reason i keep seeing the adults with mild learning disabilities who i can see unemployed far longer at the job centre when they're perfectly capable of work and who always get the sack first because they're easier to pick on - or can i assume that the people who want benefits cut are the sorts who would always employ a person with Down's syndrome, without prejudice?

If one person being on benefits is a thief and all should lose theirs, why, one person in the UK is a murderer so give every citizen a stiff jail sentence. Please talk sense.
Its more about sweeping generalizations and accusations.
This way people who are less likely to answer back or fight back are painted as the cause for the problems.
Much better to demonize someone for that than trying to work out how gov allows rampant tax evasion.
[quote][p][bold]grolies[/bold] wrote: "people should only receive benefits they paid in" When children are born or become disabled, everyone feels sorry for them and support charities that help them; they're seen as innocent. Presumably when they turn 18 it all becomes their fault. How about those injured at work and never able to work again? My friend's husband who was fallen on by a forklift truck in a warehouse, has permanent serious brain damage though nothing visibly wrong with him and drives everyone nuts constantly asking where he is? How about the nurses who pick up permanent infections from patients or ruin their backs? I had a friend, a nurse, whose life was permanently ruined by MRSA caught working in hospital. I bet the same sympathetic people are the reason i keep seeing the adults with mild learning disabilities who i can see unemployed far longer at the job centre when they're perfectly capable of work and who always get the sack first because they're easier to pick on - or can i assume that the people who want benefits cut are the sorts who would always employ a person with Down's syndrome, without prejudice? If one person being on benefits is a thief and all should lose theirs, why, one person in the UK is a murderer so give every citizen a stiff jail sentence. Please talk sense.[/p][/quote]Its more about sweeping generalizations and accusations. This way people who are less likely to answer back or fight back are painted as the cause for the problems. Much better to demonize someone for that than trying to work out how gov allows rampant tax evasion. Badgersgetabadname
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11:14am Sun 22 Jun 14

grolies says...

Actually my last comment was a bit stupid: much more pertinent, why punish everyone on benefits for the crime of one person, when no bankers have been punished even a tiny bit, and only a few MPs a tiny bit, for theirs? I'm only trying to be really accurate: the sentencing guidelines etc of english law are meant to try and make all equal crimes be punished equally, so bank fraud or benefit fraud get equal sentences (i love this); but the really big frauds like Libor rigging and stuff weren't punished on the scale used in civil case sentencing.

Most people feel as strongly about both crimes, but the political game is to talk only about one so people only remember and keep getting angry about one. And vote on that one! The whole media is a leftwing or rightwing anger-manufacture machine aimed at voting for one of the false binary parties (false firstly because they now pursue the same policies to please the same people). Take back your independence: be cautious of letting it work you up into a seething rage. I may speak from my own behaviour, but that is how i learnt.
Actually my last comment was a bit stupid: much more pertinent, why punish everyone on benefits for the crime of one person, when no bankers have been punished even a tiny bit, and only a few MPs a tiny bit, for theirs? I'm only trying to be really accurate: the sentencing guidelines etc of english law are meant to try and make all equal crimes be punished equally, so bank fraud or benefit fraud get equal sentences (i love this); but the really big frauds like Libor rigging and stuff weren't punished on the scale used in civil case sentencing. Most people feel as strongly about both crimes, but the political game is to talk only about one so people only remember and keep getting angry about one. And vote on that one! The whole media is a leftwing or rightwing anger-manufacture machine aimed at voting for one of the false binary parties (false firstly because they now pursue the same policies to please the same people). Take back your independence: be cautious of letting it work you up into a seething rage. I may speak from my own behaviour, but that is how i learnt. grolies
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