Move to finally put out smouldering fire

Solution found to on-going fire as Hills Group propose to take some of the the waste away. Pictured, left to right, are Coun Mark Dempsey, Mayor Teresa Paige, Coun Paul Baker and Coun Joe Tray

Solution found to on-going fire as Hills Group propose to take some of the the waste away. Pictured, left to right, are Coun Mark Dempsey, Mayor Teresa Paige, Coun Paul Baker and Coun Joe Tray

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WASTE from the fire at Averies Recycling could be transferred to Hills Waste Management after the company agreed to take on the task which would allow the fire service to finally extinguish the 1,000 tonne pile.

The fire at the waste site in Marshgate has now been burning for more than three weeks, as Wiltshire Fire and Rescue have been unable to fully tackle the flames within the 30 foot high pile without extracting some of the rubbish.

Plans to transfer an unknown quantity of unburned or extinguished waste to the vacant Groundwell Park and Ride site were met with a hostile reaction from residents and local councillors, who voted unanimously for other options to be considered at a meeting last week.

Following discussions with Hills Waste Management, the company has said it is open to accepting the waste. Partners are still considering all available options, including the Groundwell site.

Mark Dempsey, Labour parliamentary candidate for North Swindon, called on the Environment Agency to use its powers to force Averies to pay for the process.

“Hills Waste Management Limited have confirmed they are willing to treat the waste,” he said. “It can be transferred to a permitted waste management facility with proper environmental pollution control measures. Here the waste can be properly treated in a purpose built facility.

“Local residents near Groundwell are concerned about the potential health and environmental impacts of using a site that is not designed to store waste.

“We are concerned that the use of this site could cause air pollution, water pollution and waste could possibly reignite.

“The Environment Agency can use its powers under Part 57 of the Environmental Permitting Regulations 2010.

“This states clearly that the regulator may arrange for steps to be taken to remedy the effects of pollution and that if the regulator arranges for steps to be taken under this regulation, it may recover the cost of taking those steps from the operator.

“We were also told by the council that an order from the agency would take weeks or perhaps even months. However the regulations state that such an order from the Environment Agency can be issued with just five days notice.”

Brian Mattock, deputy leader of Swindon Council, said the fire is a major incident and every step was being taken to ensure the public are safe and the fire is put out promptly.

“We are working with the fire service, public health and council officers to make sure the best solution is found to stop the continued combustion of the site in Marshgate,” he said.

A spokesman for the Environment Agency said options are still being considered, including the use of the former park and ride at Groundwell.

Further calls have been made to impose conditions on waste licences after it was revealed it is not a legal requirement for Averies to operate their Marshgate site with valid insurance.

Steven Taylor, head of law at Swindon Council, said: “It is not a legal requirement for the company to hold insurance for these sorts of premises. It seems it is likely that Averies do not have any.”

Talis Kimberley, of the Swindon Area Green Party, said it should be a vital condition of any future licence that proper insurance is in place.

“Astonishingly, there’s no requirement on waste handling companies to insure against fire,” she said. “The Environment Agency should require as a condition of the licence that anyone storing waste professionally has adequate insurance.”

Mark Gaskarth, Area Manager Wiltshire Fire & Rescue Service, said: “We continue to explore a range of options which would allow waste to be moved from the fire at Averies, in Marshgate. A public meeting was held on Friday about moving the waste to the former Groundwell Park & Ride site, which representatives from partner agencies attended to explain the position and answer any questions.

“We are also aware of an online petition related to this plan and continue to respond to any residents’ concerns.

“At present, technical advice indicates this site remains the least worst option and that no other more suitable sites have as yet been identified.

“We would like to take the opportunity to remind people that this is a difficult situation and the agencies involved are doing their best to minimise any disruption for all residents and businesses. We will continue working hard to put out the fire as quickly as possible so normality can resume for everyone, and we’re grateful for the public’s ongoing understanding in these challenging circumstances.”

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7:49am Tue 12 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

*A spokesman for the Environment Agency said options are still being considered, including the use of the former park and ride at Groundwell.*

Why os this suggestion still popping up 🙉
Take the WASTE to Hills WASTE disposal site 😐
*A spokesman for the Environment Agency said options are still being considered, including the use of the former park and ride at Groundwell.* Why os this suggestion still popping up 🙉 Take the WASTE to Hills WASTE disposal site 😐 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 28

8:22am Tue 12 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
*A spokesman for the Environment Agency said options are still being considered, including the use of the former park and ride at Groundwell.*

Why os this suggestion still popping up 🙉
Take the WASTE to Hills WASTE disposal site 😐
Oh come on, this is the Public Sector, they have to have at least 20 meetings before they can think about making a decision! How else would they justify their jobs! Common sense rarely comes into it.....
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: *A spokesman for the Environment Agency said options are still being considered, including the use of the former park and ride at Groundwell.* Why os this suggestion still popping up 🙉 Take the WASTE to Hills WASTE disposal site 😐[/p][/quote]Oh come on, this is the Public Sector, they have to have at least 20 meetings before they can think about making a decision! How else would they justify their jobs! Common sense rarely comes into it..... house on the hill
  • Score: 50

9:44am Tue 12 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

The stink from this was reaching coate yesterday. Feel sorry for those nearby who have endured this balls up for weeks now. When there is a fire it should be put out. Then deal with the mess.
The stink from this was reaching coate yesterday. Feel sorry for those nearby who have endured this balls up for weeks now. When there is a fire it should be put out. Then deal with the mess. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 49

12:40pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

And the bad joke rumbles on.....
Lots of use of the words could, would, may.....Why would anyone make a decision its not like its their job now is it.
And the bad joke rumbles on..... Lots of use of the words could, would, may.....Why would anyone make a decision its not like its their job now is it. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 24

1:56pm Tue 12 Aug 14

AndyJH says...

The question arises about who owns the waste and it's value. If the council or EA forced Averies to dispose of it via a competitor I would have to ask whether they could then make a compensation claim against SBC or EA? Money shouldn't really matter in such cases, but after the event the compensation lawyers will no doubt be out in force. On another note, rather disappointed to see the office of Mayor, in full regalia, being used to back a politically based campaign.
The question arises about who owns the waste and it's value. If the council or EA forced Averies to dispose of it via a competitor I would have to ask whether they could then make a compensation claim against SBC or EA? Money shouldn't really matter in such cases, but after the event the compensation lawyers will no doubt be out in force. On another note, rather disappointed to see the office of Mayor, in full regalia, being used to back a politically based campaign. AndyJH
  • Score: -34

2:21pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Wiltshirereader says...

A sensible solution AT LAST!!!!!!!!
A sensible solution AT LAST!!!!!!!! Wiltshirereader
  • Score: 26

4:24pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Peter_S says...

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
*A spokesman for the Environment Agency said options are still being considered, including the use of the former park and ride at Groundwell.*

Why os this suggestion still popping up 🙉
Take the WASTE to Hills WASTE disposal site 😐
Just because you are a councillor does not mean you know best. Leave it to the experts please!
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: *A spokesman for the Environment Agency said options are still being considered, including the use of the former park and ride at Groundwell.* Why os this suggestion still popping up 🙉 Take the WASTE to Hills WASTE disposal site 😐[/p][/quote]Just because you are a councillor does not mean you know best. Leave it to the experts please! Peter_S
  • Score: 4

5:32pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Compaq says...

And trumpton still wants to strike when they can't even put this one out after weeks. Typical.
And trumpton still wants to strike when they can't even put this one out after weeks. Typical. Compaq
  • Score: -21

7:57pm Tue 12 Aug 14

daveforrestuk says...

Well,

22 days into this incident and still no satisfactory resolution. Unfortunately I have been at the brunt, I work at Amec, directly opposite the site. It is absolutely shocking, the whole of the office smells, my car is covered in heavy dust and I now have a hernia caused by coughing.

I not only have to put up with the smell, it is now embedded into my taste buds and has resulted in a loss of appetite.

To add to the impact the council now wants to move this pollution to the Park and Ride which is about 200 yards from my house.

I think that I need to seek legal council on this.

Any help from you readers would be appreciated.


In the meantime, I will not be paying council tax.
Well, 22 days into this incident and still no satisfactory resolution. Unfortunately I have been at the brunt, I work at Amec, directly opposite the site. It is absolutely shocking, the whole of the office smells, my car is covered in heavy dust and I now have a hernia caused by coughing. I not only have to put up with the smell, it is now embedded into my taste buds and has resulted in a loss of appetite. To add to the impact the council now wants to move this pollution to the Park and Ride which is about 200 yards from my house. I think that I need to seek legal council on this. Any help from you readers would be appreciated. In the meantime, I will not be paying council tax. daveforrestuk
  • Score: 14

8:04pm Tue 12 Aug 14

daveforrestuk says...

daveforrestuk wrote:
Well,

22 days into this incident and still no satisfactory resolution. Unfortunately I have been at the brunt, I work at Amec, directly opposite the site. It is absolutely shocking, the whole of the office smells, my car is covered in heavy dust and I now have a hernia caused by coughing.

I not only have to put up with the smell, it is now embedded into my taste buds and has resulted in a loss of appetite.

To add to the impact the council now wants to move this pollution to the Park and Ride which is about 200 yards from my house.

I think that I need to seek legal council on this.

Any help from you readers would be appreciated.


In the meantime, I will not be paying council tax.
The environmental agency has assured residents that there is no impact on health or welfare !!!!!

Someone on the Council is getting a brown envelope, this incident really needs a public enquiry or possible police investigation.
[quote][p][bold]daveforrestuk[/bold] wrote: Well, 22 days into this incident and still no satisfactory resolution. Unfortunately I have been at the brunt, I work at Amec, directly opposite the site. It is absolutely shocking, the whole of the office smells, my car is covered in heavy dust and I now have a hernia caused by coughing. I not only have to put up with the smell, it is now embedded into my taste buds and has resulted in a loss of appetite. To add to the impact the council now wants to move this pollution to the Park and Ride which is about 200 yards from my house. I think that I need to seek legal council on this. Any help from you readers would be appreciated. In the meantime, I will not be paying council tax.[/p][/quote]The environmental agency has assured residents that there is no impact on health or welfare !!!!! Someone on the Council is getting a brown envelope, this incident really needs a public enquiry or possible police investigation. daveforrestuk
  • Score: 17

8:57pm Tue 12 Aug 14

somwal25 says...

there is a e petition on the councils website calling for a public enquiry daveforrestuk ive signed what about you
there is a e petition on the councils website calling for a public enquiry daveforrestuk ive signed what about you somwal25
  • Score: 14

9:21pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Peter_S wrote:
Ollie Dognacky wrote:
*A spokesman for the Environment Agency said options are still being considered, including the use of the former park and ride at Groundwell.*

Why os this suggestion still popping up 🙉
Take the WASTE to Hills WASTE disposal site 😐
Just because you are a councillor does not mean you know best. Leave it to the experts please!
Nobody has ever called me a councillor before, but never mind.

I'll keep my reply small and compaqt.

Nobody needs an expert to say "the best place to take WASTE would be a WASTE DISPOSAL site"
[quote][p][bold]Peter_S[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: *A spokesman for the Environment Agency said options are still being considered, including the use of the former park and ride at Groundwell.* Why os this suggestion still popping up 🙉 Take the WASTE to Hills WASTE disposal site 😐[/p][/quote]Just because you are a councillor does not mean you know best. Leave it to the experts please![/p][/quote]Nobody has ever called me a councillor before, but never mind. I'll keep my reply small and compaqt. Nobody needs an expert to say "the best place to take WASTE would be a WASTE DISPOSAL site" Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 10

8:59am Wed 13 Aug 14

messyits says...

How ridiculous they still consider groundwell a suitable option--Hills are the only firm with the expertise and equipment to get the job done.
I am wondering how many claims will be going in for compensation as I was at a friends yesterday who has sent samples for testing of a black sooty deposit on fans in his house via solicitors. Just imagine what may have entered in his lungs.
How ridiculous they still consider groundwell a suitable option--Hills are the only firm with the expertise and equipment to get the job done. I am wondering how many claims will be going in for compensation as I was at a friends yesterday who has sent samples for testing of a black sooty deposit on fans in his house via solicitors. Just imagine what may have entered in his lungs. messyits
  • Score: 8

12:08pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

daveforrestuk wrote:
daveforrestuk wrote:
Well,

22 days into this incident and still no satisfactory resolution. Unfortunately I have been at the brunt, I work at Amec, directly opposite the site. It is absolutely shocking, the whole of the office smells, my car is covered in heavy dust and I now have a hernia caused by coughing.

I not only have to put up with the smell, it is now embedded into my taste buds and has resulted in a loss of appetite.

To add to the impact the council now wants to move this pollution to the Park and Ride which is about 200 yards from my house.

I think that I need to seek legal council on this.

Any help from you readers would be appreciated.


In the meantime, I will not be paying council tax.
The environmental agency has assured residents that there is no impact on health or welfare !!!!!

Someone on the Council is getting a brown envelope, this incident really needs a public enquiry or possible police investigation.
I would imagine they will have proof of that?
That they have carried out a full and comprehensive investigation which will of been recorded. As this will of been carried out there will be documentation available to be downloaded or posted out to you asap.

No, this information is not available there hasnt been a full investigation?
So they are lying?
Get yourself some legal representation or get together with some neighbors and get a solicitor.
With a general election coming up I am sure councilors will be falling over themselves to help.
[quote][p][bold]daveforrestuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daveforrestuk[/bold] wrote: Well, 22 days into this incident and still no satisfactory resolution. Unfortunately I have been at the brunt, I work at Amec, directly opposite the site. It is absolutely shocking, the whole of the office smells, my car is covered in heavy dust and I now have a hernia caused by coughing. I not only have to put up with the smell, it is now embedded into my taste buds and has resulted in a loss of appetite. To add to the impact the council now wants to move this pollution to the Park and Ride which is about 200 yards from my house. I think that I need to seek legal council on this. Any help from you readers would be appreciated. In the meantime, I will not be paying council tax.[/p][/quote]The environmental agency has assured residents that there is no impact on health or welfare !!!!! Someone on the Council is getting a brown envelope, this incident really needs a public enquiry or possible police investigation.[/p][/quote]I would imagine they will have proof of that? That they have carried out a full and comprehensive investigation which will of been recorded. As this will of been carried out there will be documentation available to be downloaded or posted out to you asap. No, this information is not available there hasnt been a full investigation? So they are lying? Get yourself some legal representation or get together with some neighbors and get a solicitor. With a general election coming up I am sure councilors will be falling over themselves to help. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 7

12:25pm Wed 13 Aug 14

trolley dolley says...

After 22+ days it is beyond belief that the fire is not out.

Can I gently suggest to our fire fighting heroes that they do what they are paid to do and PUT OUT THE FIRE.

I drove past the West Swindon fire station 2 days ago and found a bunch of "fire fighters" sat around the entrance doing nothing, whilst the fire at the tip continued to burn.

It is obvious that they are way out of their depth on this one, 22+ days and still no solution is laughable.

Please you fire fighting heroes, don't blame the council because you are not up to the job.
After 22+ days it is beyond belief that the fire is not out. Can I gently suggest to our fire fighting heroes that they do what they are paid to do and PUT OUT THE FIRE. I drove past the West Swindon fire station 2 days ago and found a bunch of "fire fighters" sat around the entrance doing nothing, whilst the fire at the tip continued to burn. It is obvious that they are way out of their depth on this one, 22+ days and still no solution is laughable. Please you fire fighting heroes, don't blame the council because you are not up to the job. trolley dolley
  • Score: -17

12:46pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Are you assuming that all the firefighting heroes are all lefties? 😛
Are you assuming that all the firefighting heroes are all lefties? 😛 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 2

12:47pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

trolley dolley wrote:
After 22+ days it is beyond belief that the fire is not out.

Can I gently suggest to our fire fighting heroes that they do what they are paid to do and PUT OUT THE FIRE.

I drove past the West Swindon fire station 2 days ago and found a bunch of "fire fighters" sat around the entrance doing nothing, whilst the fire at the tip continued to burn.

It is obvious that they are way out of their depth on this one, 22+ days and still no solution is laughable.

Please you fire fighting heroes, don't blame the council because you are not up to the job.
Please correct me if I am wrong but dont they have to work under advice from EA and the local council.
Had correct measures been put in place to begin with or even lessons learnt from the last fire / mess Averies needed tax payer money to fix the situation would not be where it is now.
So to me it would seem responsibility should sit with Averies and whoever in SBC / EA signed off that the waste was stored in accordance with policy procedure law?
Regular audits would of been carried out so there will be a paper trail.

None of this will help with health issues that may of been caused by this shambles but maybe just maybe lessons will be learnt.
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: After 22+ days it is beyond belief that the fire is not out. Can I gently suggest to our fire fighting heroes that they do what they are paid to do and PUT OUT THE FIRE. I drove past the West Swindon fire station 2 days ago and found a bunch of "fire fighters" sat around the entrance doing nothing, whilst the fire at the tip continued to burn. It is obvious that they are way out of their depth on this one, 22+ days and still no solution is laughable. Please you fire fighting heroes, don't blame the council because you are not up to the job.[/p][/quote]Please correct me if I am wrong but dont they have to work under advice from EA and the local council. Had correct measures been put in place to begin with or even lessons learnt from the last fire / mess Averies needed tax payer money to fix the situation would not be where it is now. So to me it would seem responsibility should sit with Averies and whoever in SBC / EA signed off that the waste was stored in accordance with policy procedure law? Regular audits would of been carried out so there will be a paper trail. None of this will help with health issues that may of been caused by this shambles but maybe just maybe lessons will be learnt. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

12:52pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
Are you assuming that all the firefighting heroes are all lefties? 😛
Thought I could smell our friend again.....Thought it was the waste
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: Are you assuming that all the firefighting heroes are all lefties? 😛[/p][/quote]Thought I could smell our friend again.....Thought it was the waste Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 4

8:45pm Wed 13 Aug 14

trolley dolley says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
trolley dolley wrote:
After 22+ days it is beyond belief that the fire is not out.

Can I gently suggest to our fire fighting heroes that they do what they are paid to do and PUT OUT THE FIRE.

I drove past the West Swindon fire station 2 days ago and found a bunch of "fire fighters" sat around the entrance doing nothing, whilst the fire at the tip continued to burn.

It is obvious that they are way out of their depth on this one, 22+ days and still no solution is laughable.

Please you fire fighting heroes, don't blame the council because you are not up to the job.
Please correct me if I am wrong but dont they have to work under advice from EA and the local council.
Had correct measures been put in place to begin with or even lessons learnt from the last fire / mess Averies needed tax payer money to fix the situation would not be where it is now.
So to me it would seem responsibility should sit with Averies and whoever in SBC / EA signed off that the waste was stored in accordance with policy procedure law?
Regular audits would of been carried out so there will be a paper trail.

None of this will help with health issues that may of been caused by this shambles but maybe just maybe lessons will be learnt.
I believe it is advice they are given and not orders.

Whatever the advice was it did not contribute much to putting out the fire.

The fire fighters are the people who are suppose to be trained to deal with this situation, if they spent more time doing it and less time striking, the outcome would maybe have been different.

The buck stops for putting out fires with the fire service.

If this situation is beyond their skills, then they should say so.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: After 22+ days it is beyond belief that the fire is not out. Can I gently suggest to our fire fighting heroes that they do what they are paid to do and PUT OUT THE FIRE. I drove past the West Swindon fire station 2 days ago and found a bunch of "fire fighters" sat around the entrance doing nothing, whilst the fire at the tip continued to burn. It is obvious that they are way out of their depth on this one, 22+ days and still no solution is laughable. Please you fire fighting heroes, don't blame the council because you are not up to the job.[/p][/quote]Please correct me if I am wrong but dont they have to work under advice from EA and the local council. Had correct measures been put in place to begin with or even lessons learnt from the last fire / mess Averies needed tax payer money to fix the situation would not be where it is now. So to me it would seem responsibility should sit with Averies and whoever in SBC / EA signed off that the waste was stored in accordance with policy procedure law? Regular audits would of been carried out so there will be a paper trail. None of this will help with health issues that may of been caused by this shambles but maybe just maybe lessons will be learnt.[/p][/quote]I believe it is advice they are given and not orders. Whatever the advice was it did not contribute much to putting out the fire. The fire fighters are the people who are suppose to be trained to deal with this situation, if they spent more time doing it and less time striking, the outcome would maybe have been different. The buck stops for putting out fires with the fire service. If this situation is beyond their skills, then they should say so. trolley dolley
  • Score: -5

10:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

trolley dolley wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
trolley dolley wrote:
After 22+ days it is beyond belief that the fire is not out.

Can I gently suggest to our fire fighting heroes that they do what they are paid to do and PUT OUT THE FIRE.

I drove past the West Swindon fire station 2 days ago and found a bunch of "fire fighters" sat around the entrance doing nothing, whilst the fire at the tip continued to burn.

It is obvious that they are way out of their depth on this one, 22+ days and still no solution is laughable.

Please you fire fighting heroes, don't blame the council because you are not up to the job.
Please correct me if I am wrong but dont they have to work under advice from EA and the local council.
Had correct measures been put in place to begin with or even lessons learnt from the last fire / mess Averies needed tax payer money to fix the situation would not be where it is now.
So to me it would seem responsibility should sit with Averies and whoever in SBC / EA signed off that the waste was stored in accordance with policy procedure law?
Regular audits would of been carried out so there will be a paper trail.

None of this will help with health issues that may of been caused by this shambles but maybe just maybe lessons will be learnt.
I believe it is advice they are given and not orders.

Whatever the advice was it did not contribute much to putting out the fire.

The fire fighters are the people who are suppose to be trained to deal with this situation, if they spent more time doing it and less time striking, the outcome would maybe have been different.

The buck stops for putting out fires with the fire service.

If this situation is beyond their skills, then they should say so.
Everyone has to work within guidelines given to them that is true of all jobs.
Are you saying that firefighters are to blame for this entirely?
Should the company not be responsible for the actions of staff and how they enforce strict "advice" that is supposed to govern how waste is stored.

Do the council carry out health and safety audits on businesses like these?
How do they follow these up?
Who is responsible for ensuing they always work to procedures set?
Maybe the council should be doing their job and doing what they can to ensure public safety...?
I was going to say if they cannot do this but all evidence suggests they are either unwilling or unable to do the job required of them so as you say they should say so and in my opinion step down and make way for people who do have the application and ability to do the job.

Anyway there will be a paper trail for who in council signed these sites of as fit for purpose. There needs to be criminal proceedings brought against these people and the la needs to be used robustly.

Corrupt or incompetent both hats fit you can choose which one you like best.
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: After 22+ days it is beyond belief that the fire is not out. Can I gently suggest to our fire fighting heroes that they do what they are paid to do and PUT OUT THE FIRE. I drove past the West Swindon fire station 2 days ago and found a bunch of "fire fighters" sat around the entrance doing nothing, whilst the fire at the tip continued to burn. It is obvious that they are way out of their depth on this one, 22+ days and still no solution is laughable. Please you fire fighting heroes, don't blame the council because you are not up to the job.[/p][/quote]Please correct me if I am wrong but dont they have to work under advice from EA and the local council. Had correct measures been put in place to begin with or even lessons learnt from the last fire / mess Averies needed tax payer money to fix the situation would not be where it is now. So to me it would seem responsibility should sit with Averies and whoever in SBC / EA signed off that the waste was stored in accordance with policy procedure law? Regular audits would of been carried out so there will be a paper trail. None of this will help with health issues that may of been caused by this shambles but maybe just maybe lessons will be learnt.[/p][/quote]I believe it is advice they are given and not orders. Whatever the advice was it did not contribute much to putting out the fire. The fire fighters are the people who are suppose to be trained to deal with this situation, if they spent more time doing it and less time striking, the outcome would maybe have been different. The buck stops for putting out fires with the fire service. If this situation is beyond their skills, then they should say so.[/p][/quote]Everyone has to work within guidelines given to them that is true of all jobs. Are you saying that firefighters are to blame for this entirely? Should the company not be responsible for the actions of staff and how they enforce strict "advice" that is supposed to govern how waste is stored. Do the council carry out health and safety audits on businesses like these? How do they follow these up? Who is responsible for ensuing they always work to procedures set? Maybe the council should be doing their job and doing what they can to ensure public safety...? I was going to say if they cannot do this but all evidence suggests they are either unwilling or unable to do the job required of them so as you say they should say so and in my opinion step down and make way for people who do have the application and ability to do the job. Anyway there will be a paper trail for who in council signed these sites of as fit for purpose. There needs to be criminal proceedings brought against these people and the la needs to be used robustly. Corrupt or incompetent both hats fit you can choose which one you like best. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

10:18pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

It's not "beyond ability" for firemen to put out fires.
The problem has been blatantly obvious.
A huge pile if waste has been allowed to accumulate next to a watercourse.
It would be very irresponsible for the fire service to heavily pollute that watercourse with potentially toxic run off.
It's also obvious that you are aware of that predicament, but have seized the opportunity to rant at what you see as a lefty activity (a strike).

Let's focus on the repeating cause of the fire.
Why was the hazard allowed in the first place?
What are the council and Envinment Agency going to do to minimise a repeat scenario?
It's not "beyond ability" for firemen to put out fires. The problem has been blatantly obvious. A huge pile if waste has been allowed to accumulate next to a watercourse. It would be very irresponsible for the fire service to heavily pollute that watercourse with potentially toxic run off. It's also obvious that you are aware of that predicament, but have seized the opportunity to rant at what you see as a lefty activity (a strike). Let's focus on the repeating cause of the fire. Why was the hazard allowed in the first place? What are the council and Envinment Agency going to do to minimise a repeat scenario? Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 1

10:35pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
It's not "beyond ability" for firemen to put out fires.
The problem has been blatantly obvious.
A huge pile if waste has been allowed to accumulate next to a watercourse.
It would be very irresponsible for the fire service to heavily pollute that watercourse with potentially toxic run off.
It's also obvious that you are aware of that predicament, but have seized the opportunity to rant at what you see as a lefty activity (a strike).

Let's focus on the repeating cause of the fire.
Why was the hazard allowed in the first place?
What are the council and Envinment Agency going to do to minimise a repeat scenario?
Given that nothing seems to of been learnt from the previous fire I do not hold out much hope.
So the question needs to be answered why was it allowed to happen again?
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: It's not "beyond ability" for firemen to put out fires. The problem has been blatantly obvious. A huge pile if waste has been allowed to accumulate next to a watercourse. It would be very irresponsible for the fire service to heavily pollute that watercourse with potentially toxic run off. It's also obvious that you are aware of that predicament, but have seized the opportunity to rant at what you see as a lefty activity (a strike). Let's focus on the repeating cause of the fire. Why was the hazard allowed in the first place? What are the council and Envinment Agency going to do to minimise a repeat scenario?[/p][/quote]Given that nothing seems to of been learnt from the previous fire I do not hold out much hope. So the question needs to be answered why was it allowed to happen again? Badgersgetabadname
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10:49pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

I reckon that's hit the nail.
It needs a full investigation and corrective action.
I reckon that's hit the nail. It needs a full investigation and corrective action. Ollie Dognacky
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11:15pm Wed 13 Aug 14

somwal25 says...

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
I reckon that's hit the nail.
It needs a full investigation and corrective action.
thats why andrew parkin has started a e petition calling for a full enquiry.The more signatures he gets the more the council will have to take notice so for all those who are complaining why dont you sign the petition.
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: I reckon that's hit the nail. It needs a full investigation and corrective action.[/p][/quote]thats why andrew parkin has started a e petition calling for a full enquiry.The more signatures he gets the more the council will have to take notice so for all those who are complaining why dont you sign the petition. somwal25
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11:58pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

somwal25 wrote:
Ollie Dognacky wrote:
I reckon that's hit the nail.
It needs a full investigation and corrective action.
thats why andrew parkin has started a e petition calling for a full enquiry.The more signatures he gets the more the council will have to take notice so for all those who are complaining why dont you sign the petition.
Needs to be as public as possible and ensure that a copy is given to council members as publicly as possible.
Maybe contact the Adver and get some pictures taken handing the petition over. Make people responsible.
Small window of opportunity before the election make the most of it.
[quote][p][bold]somwal25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: I reckon that's hit the nail. It needs a full investigation and corrective action.[/p][/quote]thats why andrew parkin has started a e petition calling for a full enquiry.The more signatures he gets the more the council will have to take notice so for all those who are complaining why dont you sign the petition.[/p][/quote]Needs to be as public as possible and ensure that a copy is given to council members as publicly as possible. Maybe contact the Adver and get some pictures taken handing the petition over. Make people responsible. Small window of opportunity before the election make the most of it. Badgersgetabadname
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7:53am Thu 14 Aug 14

messyits says...

Looks like the guy is looking after his own interest--compensati
on!
Looks like the guy is looking after his own interest--compensati on! messyits
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9:29pm Thu 14 Aug 14

daveforrestuk says...

Get real folks, my place of work is directly opposite the site, I mean within feet of the fire.

So far I have a hernia with coughing. Puffed up eyes and feel that I want to vomit most of the day.
My clothes stench of the smell. God knows what affect that this has on children in the area or the older members of the community.

ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS.

Where do we go from here, does anybody care ?

10 years of unknown **** dumped on this site, unregulated, toxic, who knows?

Looks like nobody cares !!!!!!

As I stated before, I will not pay council tax for services that are not delivered.

Hopefully I can get support from the residents of Swindon on this.

Feel free to email me daveforrestuk @aol.com so that I can attempt to get one of our local MP's or councillors to take some action.
Get real folks, my place of work is directly opposite the site, I mean within feet of the fire. So far I have a hernia with coughing. Puffed up eyes and feel that I want to vomit most of the day. My clothes stench of the smell. God knows what affect that this has on children in the area or the older members of the community. ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS. Where do we go from here, does anybody care ? 10 years of unknown **** dumped on this site, unregulated, toxic, who knows? Looks like nobody cares !!!!!! As I stated before, I will not pay council tax for services that are not delivered. Hopefully I can get support from the residents of Swindon on this. Feel free to email me daveforrestuk @aol.com so that I can attempt to get one of our local MP's or councillors to take some action. daveforrestuk
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12:19pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

daveforrestuk wrote:
Get real folks, my place of work is directly opposite the site, I mean within feet of the fire.

So far I have a hernia with coughing. Puffed up eyes and feel that I want to vomit most of the day.
My clothes stench of the smell. God knows what affect that this has on children in the area or the older members of the community.

ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS.

Where do we go from here, does anybody care ?

10 years of unknown **** dumped on this site, unregulated, toxic, who knows?

Looks like nobody cares !!!!!!

As I stated before, I will not pay council tax for services that are not delivered.

Hopefully I can get support from the residents of Swindon on this.

Feel free to email me daveforrestuk @aol.com so that I can attempt to get one of our local MP's or councillors to take some action.
Who is your local councilor?
[quote][p][bold]daveforrestuk[/bold] wrote: Get real folks, my place of work is directly opposite the site, I mean within feet of the fire. So far I have a hernia with coughing. Puffed up eyes and feel that I want to vomit most of the day. My clothes stench of the smell. God knows what affect that this has on children in the area or the older members of the community. ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS. Where do we go from here, does anybody care ? 10 years of unknown **** dumped on this site, unregulated, toxic, who knows? Looks like nobody cares !!!!!! As I stated before, I will not pay council tax for services that are not delivered. Hopefully I can get support from the residents of Swindon on this. Feel free to email me daveforrestuk @aol.com so that I can attempt to get one of our local MP's or councillors to take some action.[/p][/quote]Who is your local councilor? Badgersgetabadname
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