Police get a lesson in Muslim culture

Wiltshire police at Habib Islamic Mosque and cultural centre. Shahid Khan third left, leads the discussions with Imam Zahid Mohd behind and to the left of Shahid and Abdul Latif and Syed Naqui back centre

Wiltshire police at Habib Islamic Mosque and cultural centre. Shahid Khan third left, leads the discussions with Imam Zahid Mohd behind and to the left of Shahid and Abdul Latif and Syed Naqui back centre

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NEW Wiltshire Police recruits have visited a Gorse Hill mosque as part of their cultural awareness training.

A total of 15 new police officers, plus two members of Victim Support, went to the Al-Habib Islamic Educational and Cultural Centre, in Chapel Street, yesterday where they listened to a presentation on Islam and sampled ethnic food.

It was part of two days of cultural awareness training, organised by the West Wiltshire Multi Faith Forum.

It also included a visit to a Sikh temple and talks about other faiths, including Hinduism and Rastafari-anism.

Shahid Khan, a sufi teacher at the mosque, who delivered the presentation in the male prayer room, said the visit aimed to build relations between the police and the Muslim community, giving officers a point of contact and greater understanding when dealing with a case involving Muslims.

He said: “Sometimes the police have a need to have someone from the community to help them with cases, so they need to speak to us to get assistance approaching families. “Once there’s this contact, they know who to come to to help them.” Mr Khan, who also explained the basics of Islamic law, said police were not asked to treat Muslims much differently, but reminded the recruits that they do not eat pork, in case they had to provide a meal for a Muslim in custody. He also said if a Muslim woman had to be searched by police, it should be done by a female officer.

Farzana Saker, the chairman of the West Wiltshire Multi Faith Forum, said: “It’s nice for the police to have some background of different faiths. That equips them to learn about the needs of individuals if they find themselves arresting people from a different faith or culture.

“And it also builds a relationship between the community leaders and the officers, so if they’re working in the area they can build relations, they know who to come to.”

PC Andy Parsons, one of the recruits, said: “It’s useful in a practical sense in terms of how we can be more understanding when we’re carrying out our duties.”

And PC John Kilburn said: “The practical side of things I found fascinating, issues of diet and issues of entering properties.”

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8:51am Thu 7 Feb 13

Tim Newroman says...

Interesting stuff, and I'm sure the thousands of Muslims currently sitting in British prisons are very thankful that they've not yet managed to introduce Shari'a Law here.
Interesting stuff, and I'm sure the thousands of Muslims currently sitting in British prisons are very thankful that they've not yet managed to introduce Shari'a Law here. Tim Newroman
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12:54pm Thu 7 Feb 13

The Real Librarian says...

What a ascinating and revealing article which teachesus a lot about the culture of Islam

QUOTE
Shahid Khan delivered the presentation in the male prayer room
UNQUOTE

The MALE prayer room.
Lesson one. Islamic culture is so sexist that even the architecture is sexually discriminatory.

QUOTE
Shahid Khan said: “Sometimes the police have a need to have someone from the community to help them with cases, so they need to speak to us to get assistance approaching families.
UNQUOTE

How interesting. The Police need help approaching Muslim families.
Do they get help approaching White English families?
Do they get help approaching White Scottish families?
Do they get help approaching White Welsh families?
Do they get help approaching Jewish families?
Do they get help approaching Greek Orthodox families?
Do they get help approaching Polish families?

Probably not. How odd.

QUOTE
Mr Khan also said if a Muslim woman had to be searched by police, it should be done by a female officer.
UNQUOTE

Someone should tell Mr Khan that the Police follow this policy already, for everyone.

It says a lot about his ignorance of British culture that he does not know this or feels the need to point it out.


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PC John Kilburn said: “The practical side of things I found fascinating, issues of diet and issues of entering properties
UNQUOTE

Hmmm. Entering properties. More information needed I feel. Is this anything to do with the extra layer of caution they have applied to approaching families, mentioned above?
What a ascinating and revealing article which teachesus a lot about the culture of Islam QUOTE Shahid Khan delivered the presentation in the male prayer room UNQUOTE The MALE prayer room. Lesson one. Islamic culture is so sexist that even the architecture is sexually discriminatory. QUOTE Shahid Khan said: “Sometimes the police have a need to have someone from the community to help them with cases, so they need to speak to us to get assistance approaching families. UNQUOTE How interesting. The Police need help approaching Muslim families. Do they get help approaching White English families? Do they get help approaching White Scottish families? Do they get help approaching White Welsh families? Do they get help approaching Jewish families? Do they get help approaching Greek Orthodox families? Do they get help approaching Polish families? Probably not. How odd. QUOTE Mr Khan also said if a Muslim woman had to be searched by police, it should be done by a female officer. UNQUOTE Someone should tell Mr Khan that the Police follow this policy already, for everyone. It says a lot about his ignorance of British culture that he does not know this or feels the need to point it out. QUOTE PC John Kilburn said: “The practical side of things I found fascinating, issues of diet and issues of entering properties UNQUOTE Hmmm. Entering properties. More information needed I feel. Is this anything to do with the extra layer of caution they have applied to approaching families, mentioned above? The Real Librarian
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1:14pm Thu 7 Feb 13

SlantedView says...

On a huge tangent.. but as Prisons were mentioned in the first post... Who gives a toss if muslim prisoners weren't served halal meat! It's a prison and not room service and the Government should grow a pair and stop catering for prisoners (of all cultures and religions) needs!!!
On a huge tangent.. but as Prisons were mentioned in the first post... Who gives a toss if muslim prisoners weren't served halal meat! It's a prison and not room service and the Government should grow a pair and stop catering for prisoners (of all cultures and religions) needs!!! SlantedView
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2:42pm Thu 7 Feb 13

RichardR1 says...

Now there was I thinking the law is administered without fear or favour, regardless of race, creed or colour.
Now there was I thinking the law is administered without fear or favour, regardless of race, creed or colour. RichardR1
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2:44pm Thu 7 Feb 13

salt and vinegar says...

The police have to tread vary carefully these days, but i'm afraid to say too much cause there is no free speech in this country any more, no matter what they tell you!!!
The police have to tread vary carefully these days, but i'm afraid to say too much cause there is no free speech in this country any more, no matter what they tell you!!! salt and vinegar
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2:49pm Thu 7 Feb 13

A.Baron-Cohen says...

SlantedView wrote:
On a huge tangent.. but as Prisons were mentioned in the first post... Who gives a toss if muslim prisoners weren't served halal meat! It's a prison and not room service and the Government should grow a pair and stop catering for prisoners (of all cultures and religions) needs!!!
Lets not forget that people in prison are citizens, they temporarily lose their freedom but they do not lose their rights, this is in part because most of them will re-enter Society and be productive and active members of their communities.
If you treat prisoners like animals, we would need to spend a lot more on prisons, we would need more guards and upon their release, ex cons would simply return to a life of crime, is this really what you want?
[quote][p][bold]SlantedView[/bold] wrote: On a huge tangent.. but as Prisons were mentioned in the first post... Who gives a toss if muslim prisoners weren't served halal meat! It's a prison and not room service and the Government should grow a pair and stop catering for prisoners (of all cultures and religions) needs!!![/p][/quote]Lets not forget that people in prison are citizens, they temporarily lose their freedom but they do not lose their rights, this is in part because most of them will re-enter Society and be productive and active members of their communities. If you treat prisoners like animals, we would need to spend a lot more on prisons, we would need more guards and upon their release, ex cons would simply return to a life of crime, is this really what you want? A.Baron-Cohen
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2:49pm Thu 7 Feb 13

RichardR1 says...

Here's a thought perhaps the Council leader and his friends would like to pay a visit and justify why the Muslim community should except same sex marriage, afterall they are not exempt like the CofE.
Here's a thought perhaps the Council leader and his friends would like to pay a visit and justify why the Muslim community should except same sex marriage, afterall they are not exempt like the CofE. RichardR1
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2:51pm Thu 7 Feb 13

RichardR1 says...

accept of course
accept of course RichardR1
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2:53pm Thu 7 Feb 13

A.Baron-Cohen says...

RichardR1 wrote:
Here's a thought perhaps the Council leader and his friends would like to pay a visit and justify why the Muslim community should except same sex marriage, afterall they are not exempt like the CofE.
The big difference, being that only the CofE is represented in the House of Lords and the Head of State (Her Majesty the Queen) is also the Head of the CofE.
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: Here's a thought perhaps the Council leader and his friends would like to pay a visit and justify why the Muslim community should except same sex marriage, afterall they are not exempt like the CofE.[/p][/quote]The big difference, being that only the CofE is represented in the House of Lords and the Head of State (Her Majesty the Queen) is also the Head of the CofE. A.Baron-Cohen
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2:59pm Thu 7 Feb 13

The Real Librarian says...

RichardR1 wrote:
Now there was I thinking the law is administered without fear or favour, regardless of race, creed or colour.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

(wipes tears from eyes.)
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: Now there was I thinking the law is administered without fear or favour, regardless of race, creed or colour.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. (wipes tears from eyes.) The Real Librarian
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3:07pm Thu 7 Feb 13

The Real Librarian says...

SlantedView wrote:
On a huge tangent.. but as Prisons were mentioned in the first post... Who gives a toss if muslim prisoners weren't served halal meat! It's a prison and not room service and the Government should grow a pair and stop catering for prisoners (of all cultures and religions) needs!!!
Actually there is no problem at all for a Muslim eating Pork in prison - they have two get outs.

First, the Quran says that if you eat pork without knowing it, no sin is committed.

Second, Quran 2:173 refers to the "law of necessity" which in practice means, you can eat pork if there is nothing else to eat.
[quote][p][bold]SlantedView[/bold] wrote: On a huge tangent.. but as Prisons were mentioned in the first post... Who gives a toss if muslim prisoners weren't served halal meat! It's a prison and not room service and the Government should grow a pair and stop catering for prisoners (of all cultures and religions) needs!!![/p][/quote]Actually there is no problem at all for a Muslim eating Pork in prison - they have two get outs. First, the Quran says that if you eat pork without knowing it, no sin is committed. Second, Quran 2:173 refers to the "law of necessity" which in practice means, you can eat pork if there is nothing else to eat. The Real Librarian
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3:17pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Davey Gravey says...

All religions should be ridiculed and laughed at. Utter lunacy
All religions should be ridiculed and laughed at. Utter lunacy Davey Gravey
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3:27pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Tim Newroman says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
SlantedView wrote:
On a huge tangent.. but as Prisons were mentioned in the first post... Who gives a toss if muslim prisoners weren't served halal meat! It's a prison and not room service and the Government should grow a pair and stop catering for prisoners (of all cultures and religions) needs!!!
Lets not forget that people in prison are citizens, they temporarily lose their freedom but they do not lose their rights, this is in part because most of them will re-enter Society and be productive and active members of their communities.
If you treat prisoners like animals, we would need to spend a lot more on prisons, we would need more guards and upon their release, ex cons would simply return to a life of crime, is this really what you want?
Preparing people a free meal that includes pork cannot, on any level, be described as, 'treating them like animals'.

Interestingly, it's apparently fine under Islam for these people to break laws, including having underage sex with non-Muslim girls, and yet it's really, really bad to eat a trace of pig DNA.

Some people need a rapid attitude adjustment.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SlantedView[/bold] wrote: On a huge tangent.. but as Prisons were mentioned in the first post... Who gives a toss if muslim prisoners weren't served halal meat! It's a prison and not room service and the Government should grow a pair and stop catering for prisoners (of all cultures and religions) needs!!![/p][/quote]Lets not forget that people in prison are citizens, they temporarily lose their freedom but they do not lose their rights, this is in part because most of them will re-enter Society and be productive and active members of their communities. If you treat prisoners like animals, we would need to spend a lot more on prisons, we would need more guards and upon their release, ex cons would simply return to a life of crime, is this really what you want?[/p][/quote]Preparing people a free meal that includes pork cannot, on any level, be described as, 'treating them like animals'. [p] Interestingly, it's apparently fine under Islam for these people to break laws, including having underage sex with non-Muslim girls, and yet it's really, really bad to eat a trace of pig DNA. [p] Some people need a rapid attitude adjustment. Tim Newroman
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4:05pm Thu 7 Feb 13

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Tim Newroman wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
SlantedView wrote:
On a huge tangent.. but as Prisons were mentioned in the first post... Who gives a toss if muslim prisoners weren't served halal meat! It's a prison and not room service and the Government should grow a pair and stop catering for prisoners (of all cultures and religions) needs!!!
Lets not forget that people in prison are citizens, they temporarily lose their freedom but they do not lose their rights, this is in part because most of them will re-enter Society and be productive and active members of their communities.
If you treat prisoners like animals, we would need to spend a lot more on prisons, we would need more guards and upon their release, ex cons would simply return to a life of crime, is this really what you want?
Preparing people a free meal that includes pork cannot, on any level, be described as, 'treating them like animals'.

Interestingly, it's apparently fine under Islam for these people to break laws, including having underage sex with non-Muslim girls, and yet it's really, really bad to eat a trace of pig DNA.

Some people need a rapid attitude adjustment.
In the UK, people are free to practise their faith, it is a right that individuals do not surrender even when incarcerated.
Pork is also non-kosher in Judaism, are we really going to alienate the jewish minority as well?
The great vast majority of muslims are Law abiding citizens, there are criminals in every ethnic groups, even within the white british community believe it or not....
Currently products are being withdrawn for containing horse meat, it is not unsafe nor against religious teachings, so I really do not think it would be fair to expect others to eat products containing pig meat, which would violate their religious beliefs/rights.
I absolutely agree with you, some people really need a rapid attitude adjustment
[quote][p][bold]Tim Newroman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SlantedView[/bold] wrote: On a huge tangent.. but as Prisons were mentioned in the first post... Who gives a toss if muslim prisoners weren't served halal meat! It's a prison and not room service and the Government should grow a pair and stop catering for prisoners (of all cultures and religions) needs!!![/p][/quote]Lets not forget that people in prison are citizens, they temporarily lose their freedom but they do not lose their rights, this is in part because most of them will re-enter Society and be productive and active members of their communities. If you treat prisoners like animals, we would need to spend a lot more on prisons, we would need more guards and upon their release, ex cons would simply return to a life of crime, is this really what you want?[/p][/quote]Preparing people a free meal that includes pork cannot, on any level, be described as, 'treating them like animals'. [p] Interestingly, it's apparently fine under Islam for these people to break laws, including having underage sex with non-Muslim girls, and yet it's really, really bad to eat a trace of pig DNA. [p] Some people need a rapid attitude adjustment.[/p][/quote]In the UK, people are free to practise their faith, it is a right that individuals do not surrender even when incarcerated. Pork is also non-kosher in Judaism, are we really going to alienate the jewish minority as well? The great vast majority of muslims are Law abiding citizens, there are criminals in every ethnic groups, even within the white british community believe it or not.... Currently products are being withdrawn for containing horse meat, it is not unsafe nor against religious teachings, so I really do not think it would be fair to expect others to eat products containing pig meat, which would violate their religious beliefs/rights. I absolutely agree with you, some people really need a rapid attitude adjustment A.Baron-Cohen
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6:58pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Captain T says...

I'm so pleased (sarcasm alert) to see that in a country where there is such demand for a separation of church/religion and state, the police are having to take classes to ensure that enforcing the state law should take account of religious beliefs and culture.

I'm sorry but I'm of the opinion that I want to live in a country where the laws, decided by a process of democracy, negotiation, thought, consideration, argument and general acceptance by the majority, and not live by laws which are influenced and adjusted to take account of religion. Why is religion elevated over and above the law of the land and given such preferential status that the police need an entire training program to ensure they 'don't offend'. What next - do we send police on a week long course of playing XBox and Playstation games so they can better understand what causes teenagers to engage in acts of random violence? I am so sick of the state bending over backwards to accommodate those who have different beliefs and demand, not ask, but demand for special treatment. Sadly, it's these sorts of stories which lead to the sort of resentment which ultimately results in the kind of violence and vitriol often aimed at minority ethnic groups.

I'd love to go to an arabic country and see the training the police and public sector workers there get, see how much diversity training and learning of other cultures they undertake. I'll bet it's......none?
I'm so pleased (sarcasm alert) to see that in a country where there is such demand for a separation of church/religion and state, the police are having to take classes to ensure that enforcing the state law should take account of religious beliefs and culture. I'm sorry but I'm of the opinion that I want to live in a country where the laws, decided by a process of democracy, negotiation, thought, consideration, argument and general acceptance by the majority, and not live by laws which are influenced and adjusted to take account of religion. Why is religion elevated over and above the law of the land and given such preferential status that the police need an entire training program to ensure they 'don't offend'. What next - do we send police on a week long course of playing XBox and Playstation games so they can better understand what causes teenagers to engage in acts of random violence? I am so sick of the state bending over backwards to accommodate those who have different beliefs and demand, not ask, but demand for special treatment. Sadly, it's these sorts of stories which lead to the sort of resentment which ultimately results in the kind of violence and vitriol often aimed at minority ethnic groups. I'd love to go to an arabic country and see the training the police and public sector workers there get, see how much diversity training and learning of other cultures they undertake. I'll bet it's......none? Captain T
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7:31pm Thu 7 Feb 13

adsinibiza says...

Surely this whole thing is the wrong way round - should it not be the police telling the muslims "This is British culture, these are our laws, and these are the consequences if you break them!
Surely this whole thing is the wrong way round - should it not be the police telling the muslims "This is British culture, these are our laws, and these are the consequences if you break them! adsinibiza
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7:54pm Thu 7 Feb 13

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
SlantedView wrote:
On a huge tangent.. but as Prisons were mentioned in the first post... Who gives a toss if muslim prisoners weren't served halal meat! It's a prison and not room service and the Government should grow a pair and stop catering for prisoners (of all cultures and religions) needs!!!
Lets not forget that people in prison are citizens, they temporarily lose their freedom but they do not lose their rights, this is in part because most of them will re-enter Society and be productive and active members of their communities.
If you treat prisoners like animals, we would need to spend a lot more on prisons, we would need more guards and upon their release, ex cons would simply return to a life of crime, is this really what you want?
Remind me what re-offending rates are again.....

http://www.justice.g
ov.uk/statistics/reo
ffending/proven-re-o
ffending


The whole criminal justice system needs to toughen up and stop pandering to special interest groups regardless of race, colour, gender.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SlantedView[/bold] wrote: On a huge tangent.. but as Prisons were mentioned in the first post... Who gives a toss if muslim prisoners weren't served halal meat! It's a prison and not room service and the Government should grow a pair and stop catering for prisoners (of all cultures and religions) needs!!![/p][/quote]Lets not forget that people in prison are citizens, they temporarily lose their freedom but they do not lose their rights, this is in part because most of them will re-enter Society and be productive and active members of their communities. If you treat prisoners like animals, we would need to spend a lot more on prisons, we would need more guards and upon their release, ex cons would simply return to a life of crime, is this really what you want?[/p][/quote]Remind me what re-offending rates are again..... http://www.justice.g ov.uk/statistics/reo ffending/proven-re-o ffending The whole criminal justice system needs to toughen up and stop pandering to special interest groups regardless of race, colour, gender. LordAshOfTheBrake
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8:06pm Thu 7 Feb 13

godblessengland says...

Quite simple, if you dont like our ways, our laws, OUR COUNTRY. leave.
Hurry up UKIP and get into power and give us some light at the end of the tunnel.
Quite simple, if you dont like our ways, our laws, OUR COUNTRY. leave. Hurry up UKIP and get into power and give us some light at the end of the tunnel. godblessengland
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7:28am Fri 8 Feb 13

house on the hill says...

the most discriminated group in this country is now white british! so much time and money is spent worrying about all the smaller groups, it has now reversed completely the other way and reverse racism is alive and well. Madness
the most discriminated group in this country is now white british! so much time and money is spent worrying about all the smaller groups, it has now reversed completely the other way and reverse racism is alive and well. Madness house on the hill
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8:16am Fri 8 Feb 13

A.Baron-Cohen says...

godblessengland wrote:
Quite simple, if you dont like our ways, our laws, OUR COUNTRY. leave.
Hurry up UKIP and get into power and give us some light at the end of the tunnel.
I didn't know UKIP was the new BNP....
[quote][p][bold]godblessengland[/bold] wrote: Quite simple, if you dont like our ways, our laws, OUR COUNTRY. leave. Hurry up UKIP and get into power and give us some light at the end of the tunnel.[/p][/quote]I didn't know UKIP was the new BNP.... A.Baron-Cohen
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9:41am Fri 8 Feb 13

salt and vinegar says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
godblessengland wrote:
Quite simple, if you dont like our ways, our laws, OUR COUNTRY. leave.
Hurry up UKIP and get into power and give us some light at the end of the tunnel.
I didn't know UKIP was the new BNP....
Looks like A.baron-cohen got his way then, mention BNP and stifle all debate,
moron-cohen sounds better!
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]godblessengland[/bold] wrote: Quite simple, if you dont like our ways, our laws, OUR COUNTRY. leave. Hurry up UKIP and get into power and give us some light at the end of the tunnel.[/p][/quote]I didn't know UKIP was the new BNP....[/p][/quote]Looks like A.baron-cohen got his way then, mention BNP and stifle all debate, moron-cohen sounds better! salt and vinegar
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10:10am Fri 8 Feb 13

RichardR1 says...

No it's mainly ex labour people who gravitate to the BNP. Whilst I deplore the BNP for their racist agenda, at least you know what you get, Labour, Libdems, Tories simply take the least line of resistance which is normally at the expense of the white indigenous, heterosexual male majority. Even women are now deemed to superior to us rather than simply equal.
No it's mainly ex labour people who gravitate to the BNP. Whilst I deplore the BNP for their racist agenda, at least you know what you get, Labour, Libdems, Tories simply take the least line of resistance which is normally at the expense of the white indigenous, heterosexual male majority. Even women are now deemed to superior to us rather than simply equal. RichardR1
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11:57am Fri 8 Feb 13

A.Baron-Cohen says...

salt and vinegar wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
godblessengland wrote:
Quite simple, if you dont like our ways, our laws, OUR COUNTRY. leave.
Hurry up UKIP and get into power and give us some light at the end of the tunnel.
I didn't know UKIP was the new BNP....
Looks like A.baron-cohen got his way then, mention BNP and stifle all debate,
moron-cohen sounds better!
No need to get personal, we are debating ideas...not persons.
UKIP seems to have become the new refuge for bigots and racists, which is a shame because originally UKIP had a reasonable agenda.
[quote][p][bold]salt and vinegar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]godblessengland[/bold] wrote: Quite simple, if you dont like our ways, our laws, OUR COUNTRY. leave. Hurry up UKIP and get into power and give us some light at the end of the tunnel.[/p][/quote]I didn't know UKIP was the new BNP....[/p][/quote]Looks like A.baron-cohen got his way then, mention BNP and stifle all debate, moron-cohen sounds better![/p][/quote]No need to get personal, we are debating ideas...not persons. UKIP seems to have become the new refuge for bigots and racists, which is a shame because originally UKIP had a reasonable agenda. A.Baron-Cohen
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1:22pm Fri 8 Feb 13

salt and vinegar says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
salt and vinegar wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
godblessengland wrote:
Quite simple, if you dont like our ways, our laws, OUR COUNTRY. leave.
Hurry up UKIP and get into power and give us some light at the end of the tunnel.
I didn't know UKIP was the new BNP....
Looks like A.baron-cohen got his way then, mention BNP and stifle all debate,
moron-cohen sounds better!
No need to get personal, we are debating ideas...not persons.
UKIP seems to have become the new refuge for bigots and racists, which is a shame because originally UKIP had a reasonable agenda.
So what was ukip's original agenda and how has it changed, are their policies racist now! I think your making it up as you go along, at the first opertunity you call anyone who has a different opinion to your self a racist,

Your a racist, your a racist, boo hoo, its people like you who stifle real debate, go back into your cage.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salt and vinegar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]godblessengland[/bold] wrote: Quite simple, if you dont like our ways, our laws, OUR COUNTRY. leave. Hurry up UKIP and get into power and give us some light at the end of the tunnel.[/p][/quote]I didn't know UKIP was the new BNP....[/p][/quote]Looks like A.baron-cohen got his way then, mention BNP and stifle all debate, moron-cohen sounds better![/p][/quote]No need to get personal, we are debating ideas...not persons. UKIP seems to have become the new refuge for bigots and racists, which is a shame because originally UKIP had a reasonable agenda.[/p][/quote]So what was ukip's original agenda and how has it changed, are their policies racist now! I think your making it up as you go along, at the first opertunity you call anyone who has a different opinion to your self a racist, Your a racist, your a racist, boo hoo, its people like you who stifle real debate, go back into your cage. salt and vinegar
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3:03pm Fri 8 Feb 13

A.Baron-Cohen says...

salt and vinegar wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
salt and vinegar wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
godblessengland wrote:
Quite simple, if you dont like our ways, our laws, OUR COUNTRY. leave.
Hurry up UKIP and get into power and give us some light at the end of the tunnel.
I didn't know UKIP was the new BNP....
Looks like A.baron-cohen got his way then, mention BNP and stifle all debate,
moron-cohen sounds better!
No need to get personal, we are debating ideas...not persons.
UKIP seems to have become the new refuge for bigots and racists, which is a shame because originally UKIP had a reasonable agenda.
So what was ukip's original agenda and how has it changed, are their policies racist now! I think your making it up as you go along, at the first opertunity you call anyone who has a different opinion to your self a racist,

Your a racist, your a racist, boo hoo, its people like you who stifle real debate, go back into your cage.
UKIP is more popular than ever, however it seems to be attracting people having very little inclusive views of modern Society / World.
In that respect, the Tory party is actually becoming more attractive to the vast centrist majority whilst UKIP is becoming the new "extreme" right of the British political spectrum.
I do not have a problem with racism, but I have a problem with hypocrisy.....
[quote][p][bold]salt and vinegar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salt and vinegar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]godblessengland[/bold] wrote: Quite simple, if you dont like our ways, our laws, OUR COUNTRY. leave. Hurry up UKIP and get into power and give us some light at the end of the tunnel.[/p][/quote]I didn't know UKIP was the new BNP....[/p][/quote]Looks like A.baron-cohen got his way then, mention BNP and stifle all debate, moron-cohen sounds better![/p][/quote]No need to get personal, we are debating ideas...not persons. UKIP seems to have become the new refuge for bigots and racists, which is a shame because originally UKIP had a reasonable agenda.[/p][/quote]So what was ukip's original agenda and how has it changed, are their policies racist now! I think your making it up as you go along, at the first opertunity you call anyone who has a different opinion to your self a racist, Your a racist, your a racist, boo hoo, its people like you who stifle real debate, go back into your cage.[/p][/quote]UKIP is more popular than ever, however it seems to be attracting people having very little inclusive views of modern Society / World. In that respect, the Tory party is actually becoming more attractive to the vast centrist majority whilst UKIP is becoming the new "extreme" right of the British political spectrum. I do not have a problem with racism, but I have a problem with hypocrisy..... A.Baron-Cohen
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6:07pm Fri 8 Feb 13

salt and vinegar says...

Is that the WPC's in the picture wearing head scarves, holy mother of god what is the world coming to!
Is that the WPC's in the picture wearing head scarves, holy mother of god what is the world coming to! salt and vinegar
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