Call to slash higher fares

Swindon Advertiser: Passengers at Swindon Rail Station waiting for trains to London Passengers at Swindon Rail Station waiting for trains to London

A LOCAL pressure group has hit out at the latest hike in rail ticket prices due to come into effect next week.

First Great Western have said that all prices are due to increase by an average of 3.1 per cent from January 3.

Following an announcement bay the Chancellor in the autumn statement, the price rise will not be greater than inflation for the first time in a decade, but Fair Fares 4 Swindon have said local commuters are being unfairly hit. The local group is calling for an overall reduction in ticket prices.

They argue that prices from Swindon to London are already significantly higher than many other commuter towns, so the 3.1 per cent represents more for the town.

Eastcott resident Chris Watts, 46, speaking for the pressure group, said: “People travelling from Swindon to London have to pay nearly £8,500 for a season ticket, which is almost twice that of places like Southampton or Peterborough.

“Therefore the rise will represent more to travellers in Swindon than it will to many others.

“It is hitting the pockets of people who need to use the railway during what are already tough times.”

Chris also believes that the high prices are influencing the decisions of businesses who may want to set up in Swindon.

He said: “When companies are looking at somewhere to invest, the price of train fares is certainly a factor that they consider.

“I have been to council meetings where this has been acknowledged and Swindon has a big black cross next to it over this issue.”

But the train company have said the rise has been kept to a minimum with the extra money raised being used to improve the network as a whole.

Prior to the autumn statement, rail prices were set at the Retail Price Index plus a percentage added by the Government. It has now been changed to match inflation.

A spokesman for the rail company said: “At First Great Western we are delighted we have been able to keep all of fares at the Government set target of 3.1 per cent.

“This money goes back to the Government who then put it back to improving the system and while we realise these are hard times for customers, the money should go into real improvements for rail users.”

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11:28am Sat 28 Dec 13

beach1e says...

the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .
the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off . beach1e

12:33pm Sat 28 Dec 13

ging999 says...

beach1e wrote:
the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .
Very constructive comments beach1e. Very constructive indeed.
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .[/p][/quote]Very constructive comments beach1e. Very constructive indeed. ging999

12:38pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

ging999 wrote:
beach1e wrote:
the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .
Very constructive comments beach1e. Very constructive indeed.
But true nonetheless.
[quote][p][bold]ging999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .[/p][/quote]Very constructive comments beach1e. Very constructive indeed.[/p][/quote]But true nonetheless. Davey Gravey

3:40pm Sat 28 Dec 13

PJC says...

I wouldn't mind so much if the alleged 'improvements' were evident...
I wouldn't mind so much if the alleged 'improvements' were evident... PJC

4:40pm Sat 28 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

beach1e wrote:
the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .
How do you quantify value for money then? The train is only one mode of transport and yes it is a private company so like all private companies it will be trying to maximise their profit.
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .[/p][/quote]How do you quantify value for money then? The train is only one mode of transport and yes it is a private company so like all private companies it will be trying to maximise their profit. house on the hill

4:55pm Sat 28 Dec 13

PJC says...

house on the hill wrote:
beach1e wrote:
the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .
How do you quantify value for money then? The train is only one mode of transport and yes it is a private company so like all private companies it will be trying to maximise their profit.
Value for money would be not having to take out a second mortgage in order to travel 70 odd miles and be treated similar to cattle.......
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .[/p][/quote]How do you quantify value for money then? The train is only one mode of transport and yes it is a private company so like all private companies it will be trying to maximise their profit.[/p][/quote]Value for money would be not having to take out a second mortgage in order to travel 70 odd miles and be treated similar to cattle....... PJC

7:11pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Antonio Lorusso says...

PJC wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
beach1e wrote:
the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .
How do you quantify value for money then? The train is only one mode of transport and yes it is a private company so like all private companies it will be trying to maximise their profit.
Value for money would be not having to take out a second mortgage in order to travel 70 odd miles and be treated similar to cattle.......
Anybody who pays 8500 a year to travel to London being treated like cattle, must by definition find that cheaper and/or more convenient than to move to London. In th real world of actual choices, and not the fantasy world of people who think they should have what they want on their terms (everyone else be damned) i'd call that value for money, relative to
the alternatives.
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .[/p][/quote]How do you quantify value for money then? The train is only one mode of transport and yes it is a private company so like all private companies it will be trying to maximise their profit.[/p][/quote]Value for money would be not having to take out a second mortgage in order to travel 70 odd miles and be treated similar to cattle.......[/p][/quote]Anybody who pays 8500 a year to travel to London being treated like cattle, must by definition find that cheaper and/or more convenient than to move to London. In th real world of actual choices, and not the fantasy world of people who think they should have what they want on their terms (everyone else be damned) i'd call that value for money, relative to the alternatives. Antonio Lorusso

8:53pm Sat 28 Dec 13

ging999 says...

Antonio Lorusso wrote:
PJC wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
beach1e wrote:
the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .
How do you quantify value for money then? The train is only one mode of transport and yes it is a private company so like all private companies it will be trying to maximise their profit.
Value for money would be not having to take out a second mortgage in order to travel 70 odd miles and be treated similar to cattle.......
Anybody who pays 8500 a year to travel to London being treated like cattle, must by definition find that cheaper and/or more convenient than to move to London. In th real world of actual choices, and not the fantasy world of people who think they should have what they want on their terms (everyone else be damned) i'd call that value for money, relative to
the alternatives.
£8500 for an annual season ticket works out at approximately £38 per working day(and if you want to you could use it 363 days per year at a rate of £23 per day)
Sounds like good value to me. If you don't think so then drive. Don't forget that anyone who has to buy a season ticket, chooses to live in Swindon and work in London. Their choice, no-one elses.
[quote][p][bold]Antonio Lorusso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .[/p][/quote]How do you quantify value for money then? The train is only one mode of transport and yes it is a private company so like all private companies it will be trying to maximise their profit.[/p][/quote]Value for money would be not having to take out a second mortgage in order to travel 70 odd miles and be treated similar to cattle.......[/p][/quote]Anybody who pays 8500 a year to travel to London being treated like cattle, must by definition find that cheaper and/or more convenient than to move to London. In th real world of actual choices, and not the fantasy world of people who think they should have what they want on their terms (everyone else be damned) i'd call that value for money, relative to the alternatives.[/p][/quote]£8500 for an annual season ticket works out at approximately £38 per working day(and if you want to you could use it 363 days per year at a rate of £23 per day) Sounds like good value to me. If you don't think so then drive. Don't forget that anyone who has to buy a season ticket, chooses to live in Swindon and work in London. Their choice, no-one elses. ging999

9:04pm Sat 28 Dec 13

PJC says...

ging999 wrote:
Antonio Lorusso wrote:
PJC wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
beach1e wrote:
the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .
How do you quantify value for money then? The train is only one mode of transport and yes it is a private company so like all private companies it will be trying to maximise their profit.
Value for money would be not having to take out a second mortgage in order to travel 70 odd miles and be treated similar to cattle.......
Anybody who pays 8500 a year to travel to London being treated like cattle, must by definition find that cheaper and/or more convenient than to move to London. In th real world of actual choices, and not the fantasy world of people who think they should have what they want on their terms (everyone else be damned) i'd call that value for money, relative to
the alternatives.
£8500 for an annual season ticket works out at approximately £38 per working day(and if you want to you could use it 363 days per year at a rate of £23 per day)
Sounds like good value to me. If you don't think so then drive. Don't forget that anyone who has to buy a season ticket, chooses to live in Swindon and work in London. Their choice, no-one elses.
You think £38 quid a day is good value?!! You must be rolling in it!!!!
[quote][p][bold]ging999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Antonio Lorusso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .[/p][/quote]How do you quantify value for money then? The train is only one mode of transport and yes it is a private company so like all private companies it will be trying to maximise their profit.[/p][/quote]Value for money would be not having to take out a second mortgage in order to travel 70 odd miles and be treated similar to cattle.......[/p][/quote]Anybody who pays 8500 a year to travel to London being treated like cattle, must by definition find that cheaper and/or more convenient than to move to London. In th real world of actual choices, and not the fantasy world of people who think they should have what they want on their terms (everyone else be damned) i'd call that value for money, relative to the alternatives.[/p][/quote]£8500 for an annual season ticket works out at approximately £38 per working day(and if you want to you could use it 363 days per year at a rate of £23 per day) Sounds like good value to me. If you don't think so then drive. Don't forget that anyone who has to buy a season ticket, chooses to live in Swindon and work in London. Their choice, no-one elses.[/p][/quote]You think £38 quid a day is good value?!! You must be rolling in it!!!! PJC

6:19am Sun 29 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Rail fares are high in Swindon because housing prices are cheap. It's well known that people buy in Swindon - at a cheap rate - in order to commute to London. The demand for the train route is high, so it's of little surprise that the fares are relatively high.

Of course, if the trains were still State owned they'd be run even less efficiently and would either cost more per ticket or would end up subsidised by the taxpayer.

As Chris Watts is a staunch local Labour supporter, it's of little surprise he'd be keen to see other people forced to help pay to keep his train ticket costs down. It's merely the typical socialist selfishness we're all rather sick of.
Rail fares are high in Swindon because housing prices are cheap. It's well known that people buy in Swindon - at a cheap rate - in order to commute to London. The demand for the train route is high, so it's of little surprise that the fares are relatively high. Of course, if the trains were still State owned they'd be run even less efficiently and would either cost more per ticket or would end up subsidised by the taxpayer. As Chris Watts is a staunch local Labour supporter, it's of little surprise he'd be keen to see other people forced to help pay to keep his train ticket costs down. It's merely the typical socialist selfishness we're all rather sick of. Ringer

9:13am Sun 29 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

PJC wrote:
ging999 wrote:
Antonio Lorusso wrote:
PJC wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
beach1e wrote:
the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .
How do you quantify value for money then? The train is only one mode of transport and yes it is a private company so like all private companies it will be trying to maximise their profit.
Value for money would be not having to take out a second mortgage in order to travel 70 odd miles and be treated similar to cattle.......
Anybody who pays 8500 a year to travel to London being treated like cattle, must by definition find that cheaper and/or more convenient than to move to London. In th real world of actual choices, and not the fantasy world of people who think they should have what they want on their terms (everyone else be damned) i'd call that value for money, relative to
the alternatives.
£8500 for an annual season ticket works out at approximately £38 per working day(and if you want to you could use it 363 days per year at a rate of £23 per day)
Sounds like good value to me. If you don't think so then drive. Don't forget that anyone who has to buy a season ticket, chooses to live in Swindon and work in London. Their choice, no-one elses.
You think £38 quid a day is good value?!! You must be rolling in it!!!!
You need to look at the bigger picture. If you can earn £20k a year more in London and only pay £8,500 for your travelling, clearly that's a good deal. How much would it cost you to drive?

As others have said, its about choice, live in a cheaper housing area and commute somewhere where salaries are higher as people have done for many years, or work locally and have less salary. Not sure what the issue is here and driving would cost a heck of a lot more money and be less convenient.
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ging999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Antonio Lorusso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: the train companies like the utility companies are raking in public money whilst providing no value for money, we have the governments that have sold these public services to blame. these companies are given tax payers money as well as customers money total rip off .[/p][/quote]How do you quantify value for money then? The train is only one mode of transport and yes it is a private company so like all private companies it will be trying to maximise their profit.[/p][/quote]Value for money would be not having to take out a second mortgage in order to travel 70 odd miles and be treated similar to cattle.......[/p][/quote]Anybody who pays 8500 a year to travel to London being treated like cattle, must by definition find that cheaper and/or more convenient than to move to London. In th real world of actual choices, and not the fantasy world of people who think they should have what they want on their terms (everyone else be damned) i'd call that value for money, relative to the alternatives.[/p][/quote]£8500 for an annual season ticket works out at approximately £38 per working day(and if you want to you could use it 363 days per year at a rate of £23 per day) Sounds like good value to me. If you don't think so then drive. Don't forget that anyone who has to buy a season ticket, chooses to live in Swindon and work in London. Their choice, no-one elses.[/p][/quote]You think £38 quid a day is good value?!! You must be rolling in it!!!![/p][/quote]You need to look at the bigger picture. If you can earn £20k a year more in London and only pay £8,500 for your travelling, clearly that's a good deal. How much would it cost you to drive? As others have said, its about choice, live in a cheaper housing area and commute somewhere where salaries are higher as people have done for many years, or work locally and have less salary. Not sure what the issue is here and driving would cost a heck of a lot more money and be less convenient. house on the hill

2:18pm Sun 29 Dec 13

siastley1 says...

£20k more salary in London! What cuckoo world are you living in? At best you get an extra allowance of £3k. The commute is too expensive at £700 p.m, considering Didcot is only £400. The non-train users need to understand that they are funding more into the network today than the nationalised days. I want the 33% discount the south east commuters gets from the government to be removed so everyone pays 100% of their commute. Once this happens then the privatisation debate will really begin and bring change. Do you know one of the best run and affordable franchise is the east coast line, run by the government.
£20k more salary in London! What cuckoo world are you living in? At best you get an extra allowance of £3k. The commute is too expensive at £700 p.m, considering Didcot is only £400. The non-train users need to understand that they are funding more into the network today than the nationalised days. I want the 33% discount the south east commuters gets from the government to be removed so everyone pays 100% of their commute. Once this happens then the privatisation debate will really begin and bring change. Do you know one of the best run and affordable franchise is the east coast line, run by the government. siastley1

3:26pm Sun 29 Dec 13

dukeofM4 says...

The train service in the UK is years behind one just needs to visit the Continent and see the difference. Also they take the view that the prices need to remain affordable to give everyone access to big cities while taking the pressure of some of its housing. If we had European style trains Paddington would be only 45 minutes away effectively making Swindon a suburb of London. We can only dream.
The train service in the UK is years behind one just needs to visit the Continent and see the difference. Also they take the view that the prices need to remain affordable to give everyone access to big cities while taking the pressure of some of its housing. If we had European style trains Paddington would be only 45 minutes away effectively making Swindon a suburb of London. We can only dream. dukeofM4

4:26pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Ringer says...

dukeofM4 wrote:
The train service in the UK is years behind one just needs to visit the Continent and see the difference. Also they take the view that the prices need to remain affordable to give everyone access to big cities while taking the pressure of some of its housing. If we had European style trains Paddington would be only 45 minutes away effectively making Swindon a suburb of London. We can only dream.
According to the published figures, it only takes between 57minutes and, at most, 1hour 12minutes to get from Swindon train station to Paddington.

Why would speeding that journey up by 12minutes make any real difference?

And, given the current state of London, I'm not overly sure most people would particularly want to be a 'suburb' of it. Just ask the good people of Slough...
[quote][p][bold]dukeofM4[/bold] wrote: The train service in the UK is years behind one just needs to visit the Continent and see the difference. Also they take the view that the prices need to remain affordable to give everyone access to big cities while taking the pressure of some of its housing. If we had European style trains Paddington would be only 45 minutes away effectively making Swindon a suburb of London. We can only dream.[/p][/quote]According to the published figures, it only takes between 57minutes and, at most, 1hour 12minutes to get from Swindon train station to Paddington. Why would speeding that journey up by 12minutes make any real difference? And, given the current state of London, I'm not overly sure most people would particularly want to be a 'suburb' of it. Just ask the good people of Slough... Ringer

5:02pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

The railways should be treated as a public service and not for profit. Fares should be fair and equal. The ridiculous rip off that Sees huge price differences into London from Swindon in comparison to the next stop on the line Didcot should be stamped out.
The railways should be treated as a public service and not for profit. Fares should be fair and equal. The ridiculous rip off that Sees huge price differences into London from Swindon in comparison to the next stop on the line Didcot should be stamped out. Davey Gravey

5:17pm Sun 29 Dec 13

ging999 says...

dukeofM4 wrote:
The train service in the UK is years behind one just needs to visit the Continent and see the difference. Also they take the view that the prices need to remain affordable to give everyone access to big cities while taking the pressure of some of its housing. If we had European style trains Paddington would be only 45 minutes away effectively making Swindon a suburb of London. We can only dream.
Wow...........saving a whole 15 minutes. I bet that makes a HUGE difference. May I suggest that you stay on the M4 mate.
[quote][p][bold]dukeofM4[/bold] wrote: The train service in the UK is years behind one just needs to visit the Continent and see the difference. Also they take the view that the prices need to remain affordable to give everyone access to big cities while taking the pressure of some of its housing. If we had European style trains Paddington would be only 45 minutes away effectively making Swindon a suburb of London. We can only dream.[/p][/quote]Wow...........saving a whole 15 minutes. I bet that makes a HUGE difference. May I suggest that you stay on the M4 mate. ging999

5:26pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
The railways should be treated as a public service and not for profit. Fares should be fair and equal. The ridiculous rip off that Sees huge price differences into London from Swindon in comparison to the next stop on the line Didcot should be stamped out.
Really?

In that case, I demand zero taxation on petrol and garages to be State owned and petrol sold at cost price - no profits to be made, no tax to be taken.

Deal?
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The railways should be treated as a public service and not for profit. Fares should be fair and equal. The ridiculous rip off that Sees huge price differences into London from Swindon in comparison to the next stop on the line Didcot should be stamped out.[/p][/quote]Really? In that case, I demand zero taxation on petrol and garages to be State owned and petrol sold at cost price - no profits to be made, no tax to be taken. Deal? Ringer

10:45am Mon 30 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

siastley1 wrote:
£20k more salary in London! What cuckoo world are you living in? At best you get an extra allowance of £3k. The commute is too expensive at £700 p.m, considering Didcot is only £400. The non-train users need to understand that they are funding more into the network today than the nationalised days. I want the 33% discount the south east commuters gets from the government to be removed so everyone pays 100% of their commute. Once this happens then the privatisation debate will really begin and bring change. Do you know one of the best run and affordable franchise is the east coast line, run by the government.
If you dont like your life than change it. I have done 20 different jobs in 8 different towns and cities, some forced by redundancy or company moves, some by choice. And house prices in the south east are probably double or treble what they are here so what does that prove? If people put as much energy into improving their lives as they do moaning about them they could be so much more successful and happy.
[quote][p][bold]siastley1[/bold] wrote: £20k more salary in London! What cuckoo world are you living in? At best you get an extra allowance of £3k. The commute is too expensive at £700 p.m, considering Didcot is only £400. The non-train users need to understand that they are funding more into the network today than the nationalised days. I want the 33% discount the south east commuters gets from the government to be removed so everyone pays 100% of their commute. Once this happens then the privatisation debate will really begin and bring change. Do you know one of the best run and affordable franchise is the east coast line, run by the government.[/p][/quote]If you dont like your life than change it. I have done 20 different jobs in 8 different towns and cities, some forced by redundancy or company moves, some by choice. And house prices in the south east are probably double or treble what they are here so what does that prove? If people put as much energy into improving their lives as they do moaning about them they could be so much more successful and happy. house on the hill

6:31pm Mon 30 Dec 13

siastley1 says...

house on the hill wrote:
siastley1 wrote:
£20k more salary in London! What cuckoo world are you living in? At best you get an extra allowance of £3k. The commute is too expensive at £700 p.m, considering Didcot is only £400. The non-train users need to understand that they are funding more into the network today than the nationalised days. I want the 33% discount the south east commuters gets from the government to be removed so everyone pays 100% of their commute. Once this happens then the privatisation debate will really begin and bring change. Do you know one of the best run and affordable franchise is the east coast line, run by the government.
If you dont like your life than change it. I have done 20 different jobs in 8 different towns and cities, some forced by redundancy or company moves, some by choice. And house prices in the south east are probably double or treble what they are here so what does that prove? If people put as much energy into improving their lives as they do moaning about them they could be so much more successful and happy.
You had 20 jobs. Reading your comment I can see why. Full of wind and lacks substance and didn't address any of my points.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]siastley1[/bold] wrote: £20k more salary in London! What cuckoo world are you living in? At best you get an extra allowance of £3k. The commute is too expensive at £700 p.m, considering Didcot is only £400. The non-train users need to understand that they are funding more into the network today than the nationalised days. I want the 33% discount the south east commuters gets from the government to be removed so everyone pays 100% of their commute. Once this happens then the privatisation debate will really begin and bring change. Do you know one of the best run and affordable franchise is the east coast line, run by the government.[/p][/quote]If you dont like your life than change it. I have done 20 different jobs in 8 different towns and cities, some forced by redundancy or company moves, some by choice. And house prices in the south east are probably double or treble what they are here so what does that prove? If people put as much energy into improving their lives as they do moaning about them they could be so much more successful and happy.[/p][/quote]You had 20 jobs. Reading your comment I can see why. Full of wind and lacks substance and didn't address any of my points. siastley1

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