Wheelie bins are going to waste

Wheelie bins are going to waste

Wheelie bins are going to waste

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MORE than £200,000 worth of wheelie bins purchased by the council for the new green waste collections are yet to be allocated.

The scheme is due to come into force in April, and more than 20 per cent of residents across the borough would need to sign up to receive the new bins in order for it to break even.

The public consultation into an annual charge for green waste bins, which ended last December and attracted almost 6,000 responses, suggested that 15 per cent of residents would consider signing up to the project.

Of the estimated participating households of 16,600, only 2,800 have currently ordered a bin for their home, leaving a shortfall of almost 14,000.

Richard Hurley, cabinet member for public protection, housing and Streetsmart, said he anticipated more subscriptions throughout the year.

“The number of bins and bags ordered to support the service is based on a 20 per cent take-up rate,” he said.

“Of the residents who responded to the public consultation about this proposal, 15 per cent indicated they would likely register for the service.

“Given that the proposed cost to access the service was later significantly reduced, we decided upon this level of uptake.

“Bins and bags needed to be ordered in advance, so residents can receive them in time for the start of the new service which takes effect on March 31.

So far subscription levels have been steady and in line with expectations, considering the time of year. Residents are reminded they need to sign up by 14 March in order to receive their bin for the start of the service, although subscription is open throughout the year and we anticipate levels to increase during the Spring and summer months.”

Fay Howard, shadow lead for Streetsmart, is concerned the scheme may prove to cost the council money rather than make savings.

“The fact that only 2,800 households have subscribed for the chargeable green waste collection service is a worry, as the council will need to more than quadruple the number of subscribing households within a month in order to make its proposed saving,” she said.

“There were Labour councillors who did warn the Conservative administration that it may be more sensible to be cautious when ordering the bins because an overwhelming majority of residents were telling us that they would not subscribe to the new green waste service.

“We had suggested initially buying fewer bins to start with to see what interest there was in this new chargeable service.

“If the council fail to attract enough interest in the new green waste collection service resulting in surplus bins, then this policy could be a very expensive way to save the council money.”

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8:27am Thu 20 Feb 14

Nostim says...

Yet another Wi-Fi episode

How much more money is this council going to waste
Yet another Wi-Fi episode How much more money is this council going to waste Nostim
  • Score: 11

10:25am Thu 20 Feb 14

whats that says...

Thats about half of the councils £450k surplus spoken for then.

The council have got this green waste thing so wrong, it would take a miracle for it to save them money. Of the 85% who dont intend to use the service ( which is presumably turning out to be more like 95% now), some will compost their green waste, some will dump it but i would guess the majority will place it in their black wheelie bin which will cost the council more in landfill tax. And all this on top of a £200k pile of unused green wheelie bins.

Well done, give yourselves a pat on the back.
Thats about half of the councils £450k surplus spoken for then. The council have got this green waste thing so wrong, it would take a miracle for it to save them money. Of the 85% who dont intend to use the service ( which is presumably turning out to be more like 95% now), some will compost their green waste, some will dump it but i would guess the majority will place it in their black wheelie bin which will cost the council more in landfill tax. And all this on top of a £200k pile of unused green wheelie bins. Well done, give yourselves a pat on the back. whats that
  • Score: 31

10:47am Thu 20 Feb 14

Richard Symonds says...

Anyone who attended the Cabinet and Scrutiny meetings will know this is a disaster waiting to happen.

It is ill considered, and pushed through with indecent haste without proper consideration of the costs involved and the consequences of charging recipients of this bin £40 per annum. Friends elsewhere cannot believe the Council is CHARGING for this SERVICE and i do not believe anyone in the Council has any idea what to expect. It could even cost more money than they ever hoped to save, it is all down to interpretation as they say in Council!!

Act first think later comes to mind

And when it is stated by the Lead Member Richard Hurley that there is no need for an increase in capacity for this facility until take up reaches 45% tells you how ill judged this whole idea has been conceived.
Anyone who attended the Cabinet and Scrutiny meetings will know this is a disaster waiting to happen. It is ill considered, and pushed through with indecent haste without proper consideration of the costs involved and the consequences of charging recipients of this bin £40 per annum. Friends elsewhere cannot believe the Council is CHARGING for this SERVICE and i do not believe anyone in the Council has any idea what to expect. It could even cost more money than they ever hoped to save, it is all down to interpretation as they say in Council!! Act first think later comes to mind And when it is stated by the Lead Member Richard Hurley that there is no need for an increase in capacity for this facility until take up reaches 45% tells you how ill judged this whole idea has been conceived. Richard Symonds
  • Score: 15

11:15am Thu 20 Feb 14

fuzzey says...

I would have thought people paying the full council tax should be covered for this service .the collection of 4 bags a fortnight is not much to ask .if you count the collection for summer as 5 months there are only 10 collections .who would have been using this service during our recent winter months?andwhat will happen to the bags that resident's put on grass verge after the cut off date ?
I would have thought people paying the full council tax should be covered for this service .the collection of 4 bags a fortnight is not much to ask .if you count the collection for summer as 5 months there are only 10 collections .who would have been using this service during our recent winter months?andwhat will happen to the bags that resident's put on grass verge after the cut off date ? fuzzey
  • Score: 10

11:21am Thu 20 Feb 14

Itssomewheretowork says...

I am surprised that so many have signed up for the green bins.
It seems to be a well guarded secret on how to apply for them. I wonder if the council has considered a mail drop which includes a form to be filled in and returned so people can actually sign up. Mind you the delivery would cost them additional money.
I will be interested to see how many staff and contractors salaries have been saved after the scheme has been in operation for six months, along with the reduction in vehicles and how it compared with the forecast... it would be interesting reading. Perhaps we have been sent emails through the failed wifi system. I am not sure how easy it would be for the council to paint the excess green bibs black!
I am surprised that so many have signed up for the green bins. It seems to be a well guarded secret on how to apply for them. I wonder if the council has considered a mail drop which includes a form to be filled in and returned so people can actually sign up. Mind you the delivery would cost them additional money. I will be interested to see how many staff and contractors salaries have been saved after the scheme has been in operation for six months, along with the reduction in vehicles and how it compared with the forecast... it would be interesting reading. Perhaps we have been sent emails through the failed wifi system. I am not sure how easy it would be for the council to paint the excess green bibs black! Itssomewheretowork
  • Score: -2

11:21am Thu 20 Feb 14

CocoaClown says...

This is unsurprising to everyone but the Council.

I wonder if they actually read any of the comments on the consultation responses in relation to this particular aspect rather than just looking at a few tick boxes. I suspect most comments weren't supportive of this service.

So 15% responded that they would sign up (but didn't actually commit) so you reduce the cost and expected another 5% to sign up. I don't think it was the fact of the total cost people haven't signed up, but the cheek of it.

Anyway, in the long run you haven't actually reduced the cost. First costings was a one off £35 for the bin and then £35 per year. It is now £40 a year. So whilst people don't have to pay for the bin, they will be paying more a year which will no doubt rise yearly. Crafty and no doubt pre-planned.
This is unsurprising to everyone but the Council. I wonder if they actually read any of the comments on the consultation responses in relation to this particular aspect rather than just looking at a few tick boxes. I suspect most comments weren't supportive of this service. So 15% responded that they would sign up (but didn't actually commit) so you reduce the cost and expected another 5% to sign up. I don't think it was the fact of the total cost people haven't signed up, but the cheek of it. Anyway, in the long run you haven't actually reduced the cost. First costings was a one off £35 for the bin and then £35 per year. It is now £40 a year. So whilst people don't have to pay for the bin, they will be paying more a year which will no doubt rise yearly. Crafty and no doubt pre-planned. CocoaClown
  • Score: 12

11:22am Thu 20 Feb 14

Wiltshirereader says...

Absolute carnage is ahead!!!!!!!!!!!!

Typical Swindon Borough Council - as soon as something starts to work properly they have to disturb it to prevent themselves getting bored. Can't think of any other reason they would meddle so much!

0 out of 10 confidence in this Council.
Absolute carnage is ahead!!!!!!!!!!!! Typical Swindon Borough Council - as soon as something starts to work properly they have to disturb it to prevent themselves getting bored. Can't think of any other reason they would meddle so much! 0 out of 10 confidence in this Council. Wiltshirereader
  • Score: 12

12:01pm Thu 20 Feb 14

twasadawf says...

Guess those involved in the scheme will keep there jobs, nobody ever gets sacked at SBC for there incompetence, just have to look at the crazy road schemes we have to use, if they hadn't wasted £200k on this we would have had £650k surplus instead of the misally £450k to waste of on sum other Hair Brained scheme the SBC could come up with
Guess those involved in the scheme will keep there jobs, nobody ever gets sacked at SBC for there incompetence, just have to look at the crazy road schemes we have to use, if they hadn't wasted £200k on this we would have had £650k surplus instead of the misally £450k to waste of on sum other Hair Brained scheme the SBC could come up with twasadawf
  • Score: 11

1:37pm Thu 20 Feb 14

stratton man says...

Don't just whine about how incompetent this useless Tory council is.Use your vote in the forthcoming elections to vote UKIP in north Swindon and Richard Symonds in Shaw.You deserve better than the time serving moneygrabbing
wasters who currently `represent`you.
Don't just whine about how incompetent this useless Tory council is.Use your vote in the forthcoming elections to vote UKIP in north Swindon and Richard Symonds in Shaw.You deserve better than the time serving moneygrabbing wasters who currently `represent`you. stratton man
  • Score: 2

1:43pm Thu 20 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

whats that wrote:
Thats about half of the councils £450k surplus spoken for then.

The council have got this green waste thing so wrong, it would take a miracle for it to save them money. Of the 85% who dont intend to use the service ( which is presumably turning out to be more like 95% now), some will compost their green waste, some will dump it but i would guess the majority will place it in their black wheelie bin which will cost the council more in landfill tax. And all this on top of a £200k pile of unused green wheelie bins.

Well done, give yourselves a pat on the back.
They will probably just give themselves a raise!
[quote][p][bold]whats that[/bold] wrote: Thats about half of the councils £450k surplus spoken for then. The council have got this green waste thing so wrong, it would take a miracle for it to save them money. Of the 85% who dont intend to use the service ( which is presumably turning out to be more like 95% now), some will compost their green waste, some will dump it but i would guess the majority will place it in their black wheelie bin which will cost the council more in landfill tax. And all this on top of a £200k pile of unused green wheelie bins. Well done, give yourselves a pat on the back.[/p][/quote]They will probably just give themselves a raise! house on the hill
  • Score: 5

2:48pm Thu 20 Feb 14

trolley dolley says...

"stratton man" you say vote for Richard Symonds for the Shaw ward.

This must be a joke.
"stratton man" you say vote for Richard Symonds for the Shaw ward. This must be a joke. trolley dolley
  • Score: 4

3:38pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

trolley dolley wrote:
"stratton man" you say vote for Richard Symonds for the Shaw ward.

This must be a joke.
It's not a joke, it's just the 10 or 12 regular members of Talk Swindon trying to get each other elected as councillors.

They're intending to bring about the revolution, don't you know.
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: "stratton man" you say vote for Richard Symonds for the Shaw ward. This must be a joke.[/p][/quote]It's not a joke, it's just the 10 or 12 regular members of Talk Swindon trying to get each other elected as councillors. They're intending to bring about the revolution, don't you know. ChannelX
  • Score: -3

3:43pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Morsey says...

Downloaded the application form ... FIVE A4 pages ... details on page one, then the rules and regulations and signature to go on page FIVE. So how to keep YOUR printed rules and sent a completed form ... they will be receiving FIVE pages when one would suffice!!!

What a laugh, what organisation ... what a waste of time, printer and large letter postage to the TIP offices. Yes they're handling this independently of the Civic Offices, and why is that?

Why could it not be spread across the ten months of the Council Tax collection ... completely full of errors is this!!!
Downloaded the application form ... FIVE A4 pages ... details on page one, then the rules and regulations and signature to go on page FIVE. So how to keep YOUR printed rules and sent a completed form ... they will be receiving FIVE pages when one would suffice!!! What a laugh, what organisation ... what a waste of time, printer and large letter postage to the TIP offices. Yes they're handling this independently of the Civic Offices, and why is that? Why could it not be spread across the ten months of the Council Tax collection ... completely full of errors is this!!! Morsey
  • Score: 6

6:18pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Davey Gravey says...

Useless out of touch Tories.
An absolute farce
Useless out of touch Tories. An absolute farce Davey Gravey
  • Score: 1

6:21pm Thu 20 Feb 14

PJC says...

Well, as far as I'm aware, I wasn't 'asked' I was just 'informed' it 'was' going to happen.
Well, as far as I'm aware, I wasn't 'asked' I was just 'informed' it 'was' going to happen. PJC
  • Score: 2

7:43pm Thu 20 Feb 14

pallelli@hotmail.com says...

PJC wrote:
Well, as far as I'm aware, I wasn't 'asked' I was just 'informed' it 'was' going to happen.
I don't think I was even informed, much like with the changes to the recyclable waste collections.

Either my whole street missed this communication, (as everyone put their orange bins out when they weren't going to be emptied) , or alternatively the council never communicated this information with us in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: Well, as far as I'm aware, I wasn't 'asked' I was just 'informed' it 'was' going to happen.[/p][/quote]I don't think I was even informed, much like with the changes to the recyclable waste collections. Either my whole street missed this communication, (as everyone put their orange bins out when they weren't going to be emptied) , or alternatively the council never communicated this information with us in the first place. pallelli@hotmail.com
  • Score: 2

8:20pm Thu 20 Feb 14

faatmaan says...

surely Swindon has more houses quoted than that, so does infer only certain parts of the town are involved in this scheme.( 16600 households /Swindon pop approx. 166K = 10 people per house), even allowing for flats/nursing homes etc where people live together this shortfall needs to be explained, is this a phased introduction, if so the bins will be used by the later participants perhaps !
surely Swindon has more houses quoted than that, so does infer only certain parts of the town are involved in this scheme.( 16600 households /Swindon pop approx. 166K = 10 people per house), even allowing for flats/nursing homes etc where people live together this shortfall needs to be explained, is this a phased introduction, if so the bins will be used by the later participants perhaps ! faatmaan
  • Score: 0

9:00pm Thu 20 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

stratton man wrote:
Don't just whine about how incompetent this useless Tory council is.Use your vote in the forthcoming elections to vote UKIP in north Swindon and Richard Symonds in Shaw.You deserve better than the time serving moneygrabbing
wasters who currently `represent`you.
And you honestly believe that at a time when we as a country are struggling to come out of a recession an untried inexperienced bunch narrow minded foot in mouth idiots is the way to go? To be honest i dont think any party would be any better so it doesnt matter who wins or loses it will still be a mess.
[quote][p][bold]stratton man[/bold] wrote: Don't just whine about how incompetent this useless Tory council is.Use your vote in the forthcoming elections to vote UKIP in north Swindon and Richard Symonds in Shaw.You deserve better than the time serving moneygrabbing wasters who currently `represent`you.[/p][/quote]And you honestly believe that at a time when we as a country are struggling to come out of a recession an untried inexperienced bunch narrow minded foot in mouth idiots is the way to go? To be honest i dont think any party would be any better so it doesnt matter who wins or loses it will still be a mess. house on the hill
  • Score: -1

9:05pm Thu 20 Feb 14

MrAngry says...

faatmaan wrote:
surely Swindon has more houses quoted than that, so does infer only certain parts of the town are involved in this scheme.( 16600 households /Swindon pop approx. 166K = 10 people per house), even allowing for flats/nursing homes etc where people live together this shortfall needs to be explained, is this a phased introduction, if so the bins will be used by the later participants perhaps !
16,600 is the number of households that they expected to participate. They expected 20% to participate so that would suggest 88,000 households in Swindon.
[quote][p][bold]faatmaan[/bold] wrote: surely Swindon has more houses quoted than that, so does infer only certain parts of the town are involved in this scheme.( 16600 households /Swindon pop approx. 166K = 10 people per house), even allowing for flats/nursing homes etc where people live together this shortfall needs to be explained, is this a phased introduction, if so the bins will be used by the later participants perhaps ![/p][/quote]16,600 is the number of households that they expected to participate. They expected 20% to participate so that would suggest 88,000 households in Swindon. MrAngry
  • Score: 1

9:28pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Oik1 says...

Well as it stands, I wasn't far out when this so called consultation took place, just looking on here at what people thought of the idea I guessed and said on here it would be somewhere in the region of a £200,000 overspend on green bins, I for one can't ever see this breaking even with the costs, how or why anyone thought it was a good idea will remain a mystery to me.
Well as it stands, I wasn't far out when this so called consultation took place, just looking on here at what people thought of the idea I guessed and said on here it would be somewhere in the region of a £200,000 overspend on green bins, I for one can't ever see this breaking even with the costs, how or why anyone thought it was a good idea will remain a mystery to me. Oik1
  • Score: 6

9:13am Fri 21 Feb 14

BCDR99 says...

If it wasn't true, it would be hilarious.

They didn't have enough of the standard recycling boxes due to "unprecedented demand" despite knowing how many houses there are in Swindon, how many boxes they currently have and that they would need nearly twice as many if you're going to cut the collection frequency by half.

And now, they have too many green bins.

Then in another shambolic piece of analysis and decision making, 15% of people said they would CONSIDER a green bin. So they go ahead with a project that requires a 20% take-up to break even.

As mentioned when this fake consultation was put in place, the council currently take green waste away for free, they compost it and then either sell it back to the people they took it from or use it on their own land.
So, someone thought it was a good idea to charge people to take a useful raw material away for them.

Genius!
If it wasn't true, it would be hilarious. They didn't have enough of the standard recycling boxes due to "unprecedented demand" despite knowing how many houses there are in Swindon, how many boxes they currently have and that they would need nearly twice as many if you're going to cut the collection frequency by half. And now, they have too many green bins. Then in another shambolic piece of analysis and decision making, 15% of people said they would CONSIDER a green bin. So they go ahead with a project that requires a 20% take-up to break even. As mentioned when this fake consultation was put in place, the council currently take green waste away for free, they compost it and then either sell it back to the people they took it from or use it on their own land. So, someone thought it was a good idea to charge people to take a useful raw material away for them. Genius! BCDR99
  • Score: 6

7:16am Sat 22 Feb 14

M4 by pass says...

Who is accountable for this lamentable expectiture of my council tax plus over a 1000 more households. Plus how much was spent on the printed plastic tags to tell us it was Christmas and collection would be distrupted! Better use would have been to say the collections of everything would be fortnightly, prepare now get another recycle bin ( good use for green bins? OR Perhaps start a pig swill collection trial a council offices. swine town!
Who is accountable for this lamentable expectiture of my council tax plus over a 1000 more households. Plus how much was spent on the printed plastic tags to tell us it was Christmas and collection would be distrupted! Better use would have been to say the collections of everything would be fortnightly, prepare now get another recycle bin ( good use for green bins? OR Perhaps start a pig swill collection trial a council offices. swine town! M4 by pass
  • Score: 2

12:15pm Sat 22 Feb 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

PJC wrote:
Well, as far as I'm aware, I wasn't 'asked' I was just 'informed' it 'was' going to happen.
Every household had a card put through the door back in November/December informing them of the consultation.

If you just assumed it was junk and binned it, that is hardly the fault of the council.
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: Well, as far as I'm aware, I wasn't 'asked' I was just 'informed' it 'was' going to happen.[/p][/quote]Every household had a card put through the door back in November/December informing them of the consultation. If you just assumed it was junk and binned it, that is hardly the fault of the council. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: -1

12:20pm Sat 22 Feb 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

MrAngry wrote:
faatmaan wrote:
surely Swindon has more houses quoted than that, so does infer only certain parts of the town are involved in this scheme.( 16600 households /Swindon pop approx. 166K = 10 people per house), even allowing for flats/nursing homes etc where people live together this shortfall needs to be explained, is this a phased introduction, if so the bins will be used by the later participants perhaps !
16,600 is the number of households that they expected to participate. They expected 20% to participate so that would suggest 88,000 households in Swindon.
The 16600 is also 15% as it was the original estimated takeup.

It still stinks that they thought they would get 15% take up and needed 20% to meet their cost estimates; yet they still went ahead.
[quote][p][bold]MrAngry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]faatmaan[/bold] wrote: surely Swindon has more houses quoted than that, so does infer only certain parts of the town are involved in this scheme.( 16600 households /Swindon pop approx. 166K = 10 people per house), even allowing for flats/nursing homes etc where people live together this shortfall needs to be explained, is this a phased introduction, if so the bins will be used by the later participants perhaps ![/p][/quote]16,600 is the number of households that they expected to participate. They expected 20% to participate so that would suggest 88,000 households in Swindon.[/p][/quote]The 16600 is also 15% as it was the original estimated takeup. It still stinks that they thought they would get 15% take up and needed 20% to meet their cost estimates; yet they still went ahead. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 2

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