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Making better lives for troubled families

Swindon Advertiser: . .

OVER the past two years council officers have helped to turn around the lives of 82 troubled families in Swindon.

Troubled families are those that have children with high levels of truancy or have been expelled from school, anti-social behaviour is rife and at least one adult is on out-of-work benefits.

It is estimated that each troubled family costs the tax-payer, on average, about £75,000 each.

In total 370 such families have been identified within the borough and the council is actively working with 286 of them.

Progress is considered to be made if children who were excluded or truanting have been in school for three consecutive terms.

A case is also considered a success if there has been a significant reduction in anti-social behaviour or an adult living in the household has been in employment for three months in a row.

Under the programme a team from the council works with the whole family on all of its problems in an intensive and coordinated way. The aim is to tackle all of the problems rather than just individual ones so a long-term solution is found.

This approach means the families are working with only a handful of officers as opposed to a different one for each problem.

Sue Wald, head of commisioning for children and adults at Swindon Council, said: “It is an approach which has been going for several years. We are able to identify troubled families using data which the council has.

“There were several families who were already known to us then, so we made sure the professional working with them was fully trained.

“For those we had no contact with, a letter was sent out asking if we could meet with them and in most cases they are willing to do that.

“We are now working with just under 300 families.

“Very often it is about setting up a routine with the families, such as getting the children up and then into school.

“There is a cross-agency approach so we can avoid families having to speak with numerous people.

“We have contact with the Jobcentre Plus, the police and the housing associations, so we are helping each family. We have helped 82 so far and aim to help every family by April next year.”

The approach is being taken across the country by local authorites.

In the same period, Wiltshire Council helped 213 troubled families having identified 510.

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9:58am Fri 2 May 14

Hmmmf says...

Adver wrote:
It is estimated that each troubled family costs the tax-payer, on average, about £75,000 each.
In total 370 such families have been identified within the borough

Presumably that's £75k per annum.
So, £27,750,000.00 a year, on average, spent on 370 'troubled families.'
Almost 28 million pounds a year.

...
[quote][p][bold]Adver[/bold] wrote: It is estimated that each troubled family costs the tax-payer, on average, about £75,000 each. In total 370 such families have been identified within the borough [/quote] Presumably that's £75k per annum. So, £27,750,000.00 a year, on average, spent on 370 'troubled families.' Almost 28 million pounds a year. ... Hmmmf
  • Score: 7

11:13am Fri 2 May 14

ChannelX says...

While I agree that £75,00pa is an awful lot of money (equivalent to the total council tax revenues from 7 other families), these kind of people cost the taxpayer a lot more than that if left to their own devices.

The figures released last month show that the top 10% of earners in this country now fund 59% of the entire UK income tax revenues.

Even communist China could never have pulled off such a massive con.
While I agree that £75,00pa is an awful lot of money (equivalent to the total council tax revenues from 7 other families), these kind of people cost the taxpayer a lot more than that if left to their own devices. The figures released last month show that the top 10% of earners in this country now fund 59% of the entire UK income tax revenues. Even communist China could never have pulled off such a massive con. ChannelX
  • Score: 6

11:54am Fri 2 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

I think 'trouble making families' is a better description.
I think 'trouble making families' is a better description. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 2

7:07pm Fri 2 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Excellent families that are in these situations need one 2 one contact to get to route cause of why these situations arise.
These situations are only going to get better when direct questions are asked and a timeline of recovery put in place.

Ideally this information will be used in a proactive way to prevent this situation in the future. It will be uncomfortable and difficult but must be resolved.

One piece that is a concern is “There were several families who were already known to us then, so we made sure the professional working with them was fully trained"
So other families are working with untrained people?
Excellent families that are in these situations need one 2 one contact to get to route cause of why these situations arise. These situations are only going to get better when direct questions are asked and a timeline of recovery put in place. Ideally this information will be used in a proactive way to prevent this situation in the future. It will be uncomfortable and difficult but must be resolved. One piece that is a concern is “There were several families who were already known to us then, so we made sure the professional working with them was fully trained" So other families are working with untrained people? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -3

8:30pm Fri 2 May 14

Russell Holland says...

This is excellent work by Swindon Borough Council which has attracted national attention http://www.theguardi
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This is excellent work by Swindon Borough Council which has attracted national attention http://www.theguardi an.com/society/2011/ feb/09/tough-love-tr oubled-families-swin don-participle http://www.theguardi an.com/public-leader s-network/blog/2012/ aug/10/troubled-fami lies-swindon-contact -results Russell Holland
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10:30am Sat 3 May 14

ChannelX says...

Russell Holland wrote:
This is excellent work by Swindon Borough Council which has attracted national attention http://www.theguardi

an.com/society/2011/

feb/09/tough-love-tr

oubled-families-swin

don-participle

http://www.theguardi

an.com/public-leader

s-network/blog/2012/

aug/10/troubled-fami

lies-swindon-contact

-results
Russell, anyone can throw other people's money away.
[quote][p][bold]Russell Holland[/bold] wrote: This is excellent work by Swindon Borough Council which has attracted national attention http://www.theguardi an.com/society/2011/ feb/09/tough-love-tr oubled-families-swin don-participle http://www.theguardi an.com/public-leader s-network/blog/2012/ aug/10/troubled-fami lies-swindon-contact -results[/p][/quote]Russell, anyone can throw other people's money away. ChannelX
  • Score: 4

11:32am Sat 3 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
While I agree that £75,00pa is an awful lot of money (equivalent to the total council tax revenues from 7 other families), these kind of people cost the taxpayer a lot more than that if left to their own devices.

The figures released last month show that the top 10% of earners in this country now fund 59% of the entire UK income tax revenues.

Even communist China could never have pulled off such a massive con.
" Even communist China could never have pulled off such a massive con"

Like which other cons? Were they know from cons? Any examples? Or is this just more tripe based on your life experience?
£75k is almost half of what a single MP cheated from tax payers.

Yes there is an awful lot of wasted money.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: While I agree that £75,00pa is an awful lot of money (equivalent to the total council tax revenues from 7 other families), these kind of people cost the taxpayer a lot more than that if left to their own devices. The figures released last month show that the top 10% of earners in this country now fund 59% of the entire UK income tax revenues. Even communist China could never have pulled off such a massive con.[/p][/quote]" Even communist China could never have pulled off such a massive con" Like which other cons? Were they know from cons? Any examples? Or is this just more tripe based on your life experience? £75k is almost half of what a single MP cheated from tax payers. Yes there is an awful lot of wasted money. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

1:24pm Sat 3 May 14

Russell Holland says...

Channelx - I believe that most people are happy to support paying tax to assist people in need. But public spending has to be fair and affordable and efficient. This is an excellent example of effective public spending which is making a real difference to very disadvantaged families.

Anyone can just the ignore the needs of other people around them.
Channelx - I believe that most people are happy to support paying tax to assist people in need. But public spending has to be fair and affordable and efficient. This is an excellent example of effective public spending which is making a real difference to very disadvantaged families. Anyone can just the ignore the needs of other people around them. Russell Holland
  • Score: -2

3:56pm Sat 3 May 14

house on the hill says...

Hmmmf wrote:
Adver wrote:
It is estimated that each troubled family costs the tax-payer, on average, about £75,000 each.
In total 370 such families have been identified within the borough

Presumably that's £75k per annum.
So, £27,750,000.00 a year, on average, spent on 370 'troubled families.'
Almost 28 million pounds a year.

...
With the taxpayer spending £75k a year on you where is the incentive to behave and be responsible with all that help and support. Most of them just need a clip round the ear talking to some who work in that department but you are not allowed to say that or do it, so instead our soft PC welfare system wastes our money on these people, most of whom don't need any more help than the rest of us, they just cant be bothered to learn words like respect and responsibility and why should they when they get taken care of like this.
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adver[/bold] wrote: It is estimated that each troubled family costs the tax-payer, on average, about £75,000 each. In total 370 such families have been identified within the borough [/quote] Presumably that's £75k per annum. So, £27,750,000.00 a year, on average, spent on 370 'troubled families.' Almost 28 million pounds a year. ...[/p][/quote]With the taxpayer spending £75k a year on you where is the incentive to behave and be responsible with all that help and support. Most of them just need a clip round the ear talking to some who work in that department but you are not allowed to say that or do it, so instead our soft PC welfare system wastes our money on these people, most of whom don't need any more help than the rest of us, they just cant be bothered to learn words like respect and responsibility and why should they when they get taken care of like this. house on the hill
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10:44am Sun 4 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Russell Holland wrote:
Channelx - I believe that most people are happy to support paying tax to assist people in need. But public spending has to be fair and affordable and efficient. This is an excellent example of effective public spending which is making a real difference to very disadvantaged families.

Anyone can just the ignore the needs of other people around them.
Excellent point Russell, which is exactly why it will be ignored.
ChanX is the heart beat of "I`m alright jack" and anti everything that isnt of his opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Russell Holland[/bold] wrote: Channelx - I believe that most people are happy to support paying tax to assist people in need. But public spending has to be fair and affordable and efficient. This is an excellent example of effective public spending which is making a real difference to very disadvantaged families. Anyone can just the ignore the needs of other people around them.[/p][/quote]Excellent point Russell, which is exactly why it will be ignored. ChanX is the heart beat of "I`m alright jack" and anti everything that isnt of his opinion. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -3

5:17pm Sun 4 May 14

ChannelX says...

Russell Holland wrote:
Channelx - I believe that most people are happy to support paying tax to assist people in need. But public spending has to be fair and affordable and efficient. This is an excellent example of effective public spending which is making a real difference to very disadvantaged families.

Anyone can just the ignore the needs of other people around them.
'Needs'?

They're problem families for a reason, and it doesn't have anything to do with actual 'needs' - all of which are already more than met by the munificent welfare state.

Let's face it, who wouldn't behave and be happy if they had £75k spent on them?
[quote][p][bold]Russell Holland[/bold] wrote: Channelx - I believe that most people are happy to support paying tax to assist people in need. But public spending has to be fair and affordable and efficient. This is an excellent example of effective public spending which is making a real difference to very disadvantaged families. Anyone can just the ignore the needs of other people around them.[/p][/quote]'Needs'? They're problem families for a reason, and it doesn't have anything to do with actual 'needs' - all of which are already more than met by the munificent welfare state. Let's face it, who wouldn't behave and be happy if they had £75k spent on them? ChannelX
  • Score: 2

5:34pm Sun 4 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Russell Holland wrote:
Channelx - I believe that most people are happy to support paying tax to assist people in need. But public spending has to be fair and affordable and efficient. This is an excellent example of effective public spending which is making a real difference to very disadvantaged families.

Anyone can just the ignore the needs of other people around them.
'Needs'?

They're problem families for a reason, and it doesn't have anything to do with actual 'needs' - all of which are already more than met by the munificent welfare state.

Let's face it, who wouldn't behave and be happy if they had £75k spent on them?
And what is the reason?
Benefits are not enough to live on they are designed to get people through until a more permanent solution can be found. We have discussed this before.
So please explain why these are problems families?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Russell Holland[/bold] wrote: Channelx - I believe that most people are happy to support paying tax to assist people in need. But public spending has to be fair and affordable and efficient. This is an excellent example of effective public spending which is making a real difference to very disadvantaged families. Anyone can just the ignore the needs of other people around them.[/p][/quote]'Needs'? They're problem families for a reason, and it doesn't have anything to do with actual 'needs' - all of which are already more than met by the munificent welfare state. Let's face it, who wouldn't behave and be happy if they had £75k spent on them?[/p][/quote]And what is the reason? Benefits are not enough to live on they are designed to get people through until a more permanent solution can be found. We have discussed this before. So please explain why these are problems families? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

3:49pm Mon 5 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Russell Holland wrote:
Channelx - I believe that most people are happy to support paying tax to assist people in need. But public spending has to be fair and affordable and efficient. This is an excellent example of effective public spending which is making a real difference to very disadvantaged families.

Anyone can just the ignore the needs of other people around them.
'Needs'?

They're problem families for a reason, and it doesn't have anything to do with actual 'needs' - all of which are already more than met by the munificent welfare state.

Let's face it, who wouldn't behave and be happy if they had £75k spent on them?
Once again more anti everyone thoughtless comments.
No support just numbers picked from thin air and as usual once asked to validate your comments you go silent.
Again reading what you want to see rather than what is presented please enrich us all by explaining why they are "problem families" as you put it?
You do realize how many of these families have a parent in the services dont you? of course you do its not like you just spout bs without thought is it?

Sorry I digress these are troubled families why?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Russell Holland[/bold] wrote: Channelx - I believe that most people are happy to support paying tax to assist people in need. But public spending has to be fair and affordable and efficient. This is an excellent example of effective public spending which is making a real difference to very disadvantaged families. Anyone can just the ignore the needs of other people around them.[/p][/quote]'Needs'? They're problem families for a reason, and it doesn't have anything to do with actual 'needs' - all of which are already more than met by the munificent welfare state. Let's face it, who wouldn't behave and be happy if they had £75k spent on them?[/p][/quote]Once again more anti everyone thoughtless comments. No support just numbers picked from thin air and as usual once asked to validate your comments you go silent. Again reading what you want to see rather than what is presented please enrich us all by explaining why they are "problem families" as you put it? You do realize how many of these families have a parent in the services dont you? of course you do its not like you just spout bs without thought is it? Sorry I digress these are troubled families why? Badgersgetabadname
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