Driver escapes with slight injuries after car flips over in Old Town

A Silver VW rolled onto its roof in an accident on Okus Road, near Portland Avenue

A Silver VW rolled onto its roof in an accident on Okus Road, near Portland Avenue Buy this photo

First published in News

A 66-year-old man was taken to hospital yesterday after his car overturned on Okus Road shortly after midday.

The man had been driving his Volkswagen Passat along Okus Road at around 12.45pm when he struck a stationary vehicle and his car went flying into the air, coming to rest upside-down on its roof.

Fortunately there were no people in the car he hit, a Vauxhall Corsa, which had been parked in a bay along the side of the road.

The driver of the Passat, from the Swindon area, was taken to Great Western Hospital with injuries to his arm, which are not thought to be severe.

Police attended the scene until around 2pm while both vehicles were recovered and the road was cleared.

A spokesman for Wiltshire Police said: “We were called to a single vehicle RTC at 12.45pm.

“The car has gone into a parked car and flipped over on to its roof. The 66-year-old male driver was taken to hospital with minor arm injuries.

“Both cars needed to be removed from the scene, and part of the road was blocked for around two hours but cars could still go past.”

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8:17am Tue 20 May 14

Oldtownmum says...

This was very near my house. People have been speeding along this road for years and it's getting worse, especially since angel ridge was built. The road is long and straight and open to temptation to speed. There's no way that car was doing 30, to flip like that. He's lucky he only clipped a parked car and didn't mount the kerb and hit one of the many children in this area. If it had happened around 3pm when the commonweal children walk past it could have been disasterous. Time for some proper traffic calming measures around here.
This was very near my house. People have been speeding along this road for years and it's getting worse, especially since angel ridge was built. The road is long and straight and open to temptation to speed. There's no way that car was doing 30, to flip like that. He's lucky he only clipped a parked car and didn't mount the kerb and hit one of the many children in this area. If it had happened around 3pm when the commonweal children walk past it could have been disasterous. Time for some proper traffic calming measures around here. Oldtownmum
  • Score: 20

8:46am Tue 20 May 14

nobody says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
This was very near my house. People have been speeding along this road for years and it's getting worse, especially since angel ridge was built. The road is long and straight and open to temptation to speed. There's no way that car was doing 30, to flip like that. He's lucky he only clipped a parked car and didn't mount the kerb and hit one of the many children in this area. If it had happened around 3pm when the commonweal children walk past it could have been disasterous. Time for some proper traffic calming measures around here.
Traffic calming will not help, we need traffic police enforcing the law.
Hopefully the driver is charged with careless driving at least.
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: This was very near my house. People have been speeding along this road for years and it's getting worse, especially since angel ridge was built. The road is long and straight and open to temptation to speed. There's no way that car was doing 30, to flip like that. He's lucky he only clipped a parked car and didn't mount the kerb and hit one of the many children in this area. If it had happened around 3pm when the commonweal children walk past it could have been disasterous. Time for some proper traffic calming measures around here.[/p][/quote]Traffic calming will not help, we need traffic police enforcing the law. Hopefully the driver is charged with careless driving at least. nobody
  • Score: 18

11:02am Tue 20 May 14

Localboy86 says...

Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting
Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting Localboy86
  • Score: -4

11:48am Tue 20 May 14

themoonraker says...

Localboy86 wrote:
Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting
yes, but there are a plenty as bad or worse in the age bracket 25 to 65.....and there for the grace of god go you........perhaps you would like to re-test every driver every five years.......NO.....w
ell there's a surprise!
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting[/p][/quote]yes, but there are a plenty as bad or worse in the age bracket 25 to 65.....and there for the grace of god go you........perhaps you would like to re-test every driver every five years.......NO.....w ell there's a surprise! themoonraker
  • Score: 6

12:02pm Tue 20 May 14

BCDR99 says...

Testing should be much more rigorous and the penalty for repeated bad driving should be higher. Start handing out short bans for repeat speeding offences for example (maybe 14 days for a second offence within a given period) and as long as the roads are policed and the laws enforced, people might start to pay a bit more attention to retaining their licence to drive
Testing should be much more rigorous and the penalty for repeated bad driving should be higher. Start handing out short bans for repeat speeding offences for example (maybe 14 days for a second offence within a given period) and as long as the roads are policed and the laws enforced, people might start to pay a bit more attention to retaining their licence to drive BCDR99
  • Score: 11

12:04pm Tue 20 May 14

Localboy86 says...

themoonraker wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting
yes, but there are a plenty as bad or worse in the age bracket 25 to 65.....and there for the grace of god go you........perhaps you would like to re-test every driver every five years.......NO.....w

ell there's a surprise!
I'd be more than happy to resit my test every 5 years :) it's not a right, it's a responsibility
[quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting[/p][/quote]yes, but there are a plenty as bad or worse in the age bracket 25 to 65.....and there for the grace of god go you........perhaps you would like to re-test every driver every five years.......NO.....w ell there's a surprise![/p][/quote]I'd be more than happy to resit my test every 5 years :) it's not a right, it's a responsibility Localboy86
  • Score: 16

12:47pm Tue 20 May 14

house on the hill says...

Localboy86 wrote:
Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting
I have seen far more idiotic chavs in their Penhill Porsches driving like tw4ts than I have the older generation. Most deaths and crashes are in the under 25 brigade who think they own the world and everything in it but have absolutely no sense of responsibility to themselves or anyone else. Typical bigoted view of the moron masses.
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting[/p][/quote]I have seen far more idiotic chavs in their Penhill Porsches driving like tw4ts than I have the older generation. Most deaths and crashes are in the under 25 brigade who think they own the world and everything in it but have absolutely no sense of responsibility to themselves or anyone else. Typical bigoted view of the moron masses. house on the hill
  • Score: 9

1:09pm Tue 20 May 14

Localboy86 says...

There seems to be a lot of crashes involving our town's elderly reported in this very paper, I could find you lots of examples but I have better things to be doing. One thing i struggle to understand is why such a clever upstanding citazen like yourself "overthehill" has to resort to name calling?
There seems to be a lot of crashes involving our town's elderly reported in this very paper, I could find you lots of examples but I have better things to be doing. One thing i struggle to understand is why such a clever upstanding citazen like yourself "overthehill" has to resort to name calling? Localboy86
  • Score: -3

1:33pm Tue 20 May 14

GrumpyLocal says...

house on the hill wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting
I have seen far more idiotic chavs in their Penhill Porsches driving like tw4ts than I have the older generation. Most deaths and crashes are in the under 25 brigade who think they own the world and everything in it but have absolutely no sense of responsibility to themselves or anyone else. Typical bigoted view of the moron masses.
Out of interest do you know what the stats are for the number of miles covered by drivers under the age of 25/30 than those over & also the relative proximity to the homes of the drivers crashing. The reason for my question is that I, like most of my peers, did a hell of a lot more driving up to the age of 25 than I did afterwards. My lower paid jobs were nowhere near where I lived, I was prepared to travel more to get to them, I enjoyed driving a lot more and drove everywhere. I had to do more travelling to see my partner as we lived apart. I also did far more driving with 5 miles of home than I do now, which as we are always told is where most accident happen.
Nowadays I drive to-from work & maybe the supermarket but tend to walk whenever possible both for my health, the dogs health & the fact there is normally a pub somewhere on route.
It's easy to brandish stats around about how safe drivers are such as 18-25 year old are x% more likely to crash than 50/75 year olds but if they do 200% driving where is that accounted?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting[/p][/quote]I have seen far more idiotic chavs in their Penhill Porsches driving like tw4ts than I have the older generation. Most deaths and crashes are in the under 25 brigade who think they own the world and everything in it but have absolutely no sense of responsibility to themselves or anyone else. Typical bigoted view of the moron masses.[/p][/quote]Out of interest do you know what the stats are for the number of miles covered by drivers under the age of 25/30 than those over & also the relative proximity to the homes of the drivers crashing. The reason for my question is that I, like most of my peers, did a hell of a lot more driving up to the age of 25 than I did afterwards. My lower paid jobs were nowhere near where I lived, I was prepared to travel more to get to them, I enjoyed driving a lot more and drove everywhere. I had to do more travelling to see my partner as we lived apart. I also did far more driving with 5 miles of home than I do now, which as we are always told is where most accident happen. Nowadays I drive to-from work & maybe the supermarket but tend to walk whenever possible both for my health, the dogs health & the fact there is normally a pub somewhere on route. It's easy to brandish stats around about how safe drivers are such as 18-25 year old are x% more likely to crash than 50/75 year olds but if they do 200% driving where is that accounted? GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 7

1:50pm Tue 20 May 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Localboy86 wrote:
Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting
How about EVERYONE resits their test every 5 years regardless of age.....!
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting[/p][/quote]How about EVERYONE resits their test every 5 years regardless of age.....! LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 3

2:24pm Tue 20 May 14

themoonraker says...

Localboy86 wrote:
themoonraker wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting
yes, but there are a plenty as bad or worse in the age bracket 25 to 65.....and there for the grace of god go you........perhaps you would like to re-test every driver every five years.......NO.....w


ell there's a surprise!
I'd be more than happy to resit my test every 5 years :) it's not a right, it's a responsibility
Unless you are a perfect driver you wil have no doubt, dropped into a number
of bad driving habits ( as have I, and the vast majority of other motorists ).
I wonder what your reaction would be if you were to re-sit your test and fail?, At a guess it would be the examiner that was being pedantic and petty, it would be ridiculous that you were to be failed on something that you would likely view as trivial and not dangerous........the
re we go, it's me that generalising now, but at least I'm not generalising that only old people are bad drivers!
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting[/p][/quote]yes, but there are a plenty as bad or worse in the age bracket 25 to 65.....and there for the grace of god go you........perhaps you would like to re-test every driver every five years.......NO.....w ell there's a surprise![/p][/quote]I'd be more than happy to resit my test every 5 years :) it's not a right, it's a responsibility[/p][/quote]Unless you are a perfect driver you wil have no doubt, dropped into a number of bad driving habits ( as have I, and the vast majority of other motorists ). I wonder what your reaction would be if you were to re-sit your test and fail?, At a guess it would be the examiner that was being pedantic and petty, it would be ridiculous that you were to be failed on something that you would likely view as trivial and not dangerous........the re we go, it's me that generalising now, but at least I'm not generalising that only old people are bad drivers! themoonraker
  • Score: 1

2:34pm Tue 20 May 14

CocoaClown says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting
How about EVERYONE resits their test every 5 years regardless of age.....!
I don't think this would work. Do you drive exactly like you did when you took your test? When you are in test situations you play by the rules and do everything you possibly can to pass. You may not drive badly or dangerously but just not 'by the book' as such.
Boy racers, for example, aren't going to take a retest driving like idiots. They will slow down, give way and drive safely for the sake of their licence. Then when they pass the retest, drive like idiots until the next retest!

I agree that perhaps elderly people should take some form of fitness test to ensure that they are physically able to drive. I thought this was the case anyway but the age may be older that 65??? I also think that everyone should be made to take a regular eye test to keep their licence.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting[/p][/quote]How about EVERYONE resits their test every 5 years regardless of age.....![/p][/quote]I don't think this would work. Do you drive exactly like you did when you took your test? When you are in test situations you play by the rules and do everything you possibly can to pass. You may not drive badly or dangerously but just not 'by the book' as such. Boy racers, for example, aren't going to take a retest driving like idiots. They will slow down, give way and drive safely for the sake of their licence. Then when they pass the retest, drive like idiots until the next retest! I agree that perhaps elderly people should take some form of fitness test to ensure that they are physically able to drive. I thought this was the case anyway but the age may be older that 65??? I also think that everyone should be made to take a regular eye test to keep their licence. CocoaClown
  • Score: -2

2:50pm Tue 20 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

Drivers should have regular assessments regardless of their age.
Some old chap pulled out on me today coincidentially. Pulled out of Morrisonscar park without giving way. Then drove at 15mph along dorcan way. Like the idiot in the article above a driver not fit to drive.
Drivers should have regular assessments regardless of their age. Some old chap pulled out on me today coincidentially. Pulled out of Morrisonscar park without giving way. Then drove at 15mph along dorcan way. Like the idiot in the article above a driver not fit to drive. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -2

3:39pm Tue 20 May 14

house on the hill says...

GrumpyLocal wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting
I have seen far more idiotic chavs in their Penhill Porsches driving like tw4ts than I have the older generation. Most deaths and crashes are in the under 25 brigade who think they own the world and everything in it but have absolutely no sense of responsibility to themselves or anyone else. Typical bigoted view of the moron masses.
Out of interest do you know what the stats are for the number of miles covered by drivers under the age of 25/30 than those over & also the relative proximity to the homes of the drivers crashing. The reason for my question is that I, like most of my peers, did a hell of a lot more driving up to the age of 25 than I did afterwards. My lower paid jobs were nowhere near where I lived, I was prepared to travel more to get to them, I enjoyed driving a lot more and drove everywhere. I had to do more travelling to see my partner as we lived apart. I also did far more driving with 5 miles of home than I do now, which as we are always told is where most accident happen.
Nowadays I drive to-from work & maybe the supermarket but tend to walk whenever possible both for my health, the dogs health & the fact there is normally a pub somewhere on route.
It's easy to brandish stats around about how safe drivers are such as 18-25 year old are x% more likely to crash than 50/75 year olds but if they do 200% driving where is that accounted?
No but then it goes more to attitude than the number of miles you drive. A responsible driver will have far less crashes that an arrogant moron who thinks he owns the road and drives like a complete twunt! Thats not to say their arent arrogant older people, of course they are, but the young are far more likely to believe they are going to live forever and take more chances whereas as you get older you tend to drive more defensively because you know there are so many idiots on the road.

And how many "pensioners" text or phone while they drive, turn round to shout at the kids or have their music so loud they cant hear the fire engine coming up behind let alone another car. And they reckon tens of thousands reguarly drive over the drink limit the following morning either because they dont realise it or dont care.

The bottom line is we still kill around 3000 people on the roads every year and about 10 times that with serious or life changing injuries with 95% being "driver error" or could have been avoided with a bit more care and attention. That's the sad part that maybe we should be concentrating on rather than trying to blame someone else all the time!
[quote][p][bold]GrumpyLocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting[/p][/quote]I have seen far more idiotic chavs in their Penhill Porsches driving like tw4ts than I have the older generation. Most deaths and crashes are in the under 25 brigade who think they own the world and everything in it but have absolutely no sense of responsibility to themselves or anyone else. Typical bigoted view of the moron masses.[/p][/quote]Out of interest do you know what the stats are for the number of miles covered by drivers under the age of 25/30 than those over & also the relative proximity to the homes of the drivers crashing. The reason for my question is that I, like most of my peers, did a hell of a lot more driving up to the age of 25 than I did afterwards. My lower paid jobs were nowhere near where I lived, I was prepared to travel more to get to them, I enjoyed driving a lot more and drove everywhere. I had to do more travelling to see my partner as we lived apart. I also did far more driving with 5 miles of home than I do now, which as we are always told is where most accident happen. Nowadays I drive to-from work & maybe the supermarket but tend to walk whenever possible both for my health, the dogs health & the fact there is normally a pub somewhere on route. It's easy to brandish stats around about how safe drivers are such as 18-25 year old are x% more likely to crash than 50/75 year olds but if they do 200% driving where is that accounted?[/p][/quote]No but then it goes more to attitude than the number of miles you drive. A responsible driver will have far less crashes that an arrogant moron who thinks he owns the road and drives like a complete twunt! Thats not to say their arent arrogant older people, of course they are, but the young are far more likely to believe they are going to live forever and take more chances whereas as you get older you tend to drive more defensively because you know there are so many idiots on the road. And how many "pensioners" text or phone while they drive, turn round to shout at the kids or have their music so loud they cant hear the fire engine coming up behind let alone another car. And they reckon tens of thousands reguarly drive over the drink limit the following morning either because they dont realise it or dont care. The bottom line is we still kill around 3000 people on the roads every year and about 10 times that with serious or life changing injuries with 95% being "driver error" or could have been avoided with a bit more care and attention. That's the sad part that maybe we should be concentrating on rather than trying to blame someone else all the time! house on the hill
  • Score: -1

4:35pm Tue 20 May 14

mrstidds says...

I'm sorry, but does it say in the report that the accident was caused by speeding, because if so I can't see it anywhere! For all we know, the gentleman concerned may have been taken ill as he was driving, and this could happen to anyone of any age. Never assume - it makes an **** out of u and me!
I'm sorry, but does it say in the report that the accident was caused by speeding, because if so I can't see it anywhere! For all we know, the gentleman concerned may have been taken ill as he was driving, and this could happen to anyone of any age. Never assume - it makes an **** out of u and me! mrstidds
  • Score: 3

5:44pm Tue 20 May 14

Localboy86 says...

It wouldn't have to be a serious retest but enough to weed out the real old coffin dodgers who are a danger on our roads
It wouldn't have to be a serious retest but enough to weed out the real old coffin dodgers who are a danger on our roads Localboy86
  • Score: -4

6:10pm Tue 20 May 14

LordCharles says...

Localboy86 wrote:
Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting
Old people rarely cause deaths. Young drivers do. That's why a 20 year old's insurance is thousands of pounds and mine (71years) is £230.
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting[/p][/quote]Old people rarely cause deaths. Young drivers do. That's why a 20 year old's insurance is thousands of pounds and mine (71years) is £230. LordCharles
  • Score: 4

6:42pm Tue 20 May 14

Localboy86 says...

LordCharles wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting
Old people rarely cause deaths. Young drivers do. That's why a 20 year old's insurance is thousands of pounds and mine (71years) is £230.
The recent articles in this paper beg to differ
[quote][p][bold]LordCharles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting[/p][/quote]Old people rarely cause deaths. Young drivers do. That's why a 20 year old's insurance is thousands of pounds and mine (71years) is £230.[/p][/quote]The recent articles in this paper beg to differ Localboy86
  • Score: -3

8:47pm Tue 20 May 14

MrAngry says...

Localboy86 wrote:
LordCharles wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting
Old people rarely cause deaths. Young drivers do. That's why a 20 year old's insurance is thousands of pounds and mine (71years) is £230.
The recent articles in this paper beg to differ
Plenty of recent articles about young drivers being involved in accidents too.
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordCharles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Everybody should be made to resit their test when they reach 65, the amount of terrible driving i see by OAPs is disgusting[/p][/quote]Old people rarely cause deaths. Young drivers do. That's why a 20 year old's insurance is thousands of pounds and mine (71years) is £230.[/p][/quote]The recent articles in this paper beg to differ[/p][/quote]Plenty of recent articles about young drivers being involved in accidents too. MrAngry
  • Score: 3

9:10pm Tue 20 May 14

Al Smith says...

Maybe there's no need for a re-test every 5 years. Instead what might be an idea is that every 5/10 years you have to have say 10hrs worth of refresher lessons with a certified driving instructor, including time on a motorway. As well as spending time going over changes in the highway code. This should help stamp-out any bad habits and improve driving standards.

For some drivers this might not be enough and the examiner should be able to recommend a retest or DVLA assessment.
Maybe there's no need for a re-test every 5 years. Instead what might be an idea is that every 5/10 years you have to have say 10hrs worth of refresher lessons with a certified driving instructor, including time on a motorway. As well as spending time going over changes in the highway code. This should help stamp-out any bad habits and improve driving standards. For some drivers this might not be enough and the examiner should be able to recommend a retest or DVLA assessment. Al Smith
  • Score: 3

12:12am Wed 21 May 14

twasadawf says...

66 ain't old
66 ain't old twasadawf
  • Score: 5

7:59am Wed 21 May 14

Alan B'stard says...

Al Smith wrote:
Maybe there's no need for a re-test every 5 years. Instead what might be an idea is that every 5/10 years you have to have say 10hrs worth of refresher lessons with a certified driving instructor, including time on a motorway. As well as spending time going over changes in the highway code. This should help stamp-out any bad habits and improve driving standards.

For some drivers this might not be enough and the examiner should be able to recommend a retest or DVLA assessment.
I hope the Corsa is alright.
[quote][p][bold]Al Smith[/bold] wrote: Maybe there's no need for a re-test every 5 years. Instead what might be an idea is that every 5/10 years you have to have say 10hrs worth of refresher lessons with a certified driving instructor, including time on a motorway. As well as spending time going over changes in the highway code. This should help stamp-out any bad habits and improve driving standards. For some drivers this might not be enough and the examiner should be able to recommend a retest or DVLA assessment.[/p][/quote]I hope the Corsa is alright. Alan B'stard
  • Score: 2

10:39am Fri 23 May 14

stfcdod says...

Localboy86 wrote:
There seems to be a lot of crashes involving our town's elderly reported in this very paper, I could find you lots of examples but I have better things to be doing. One thing i struggle to understand is why such a clever upstanding citazen like yourself "overthehill" has to resort to name calling?
Maybe he resorted to name calling because you're an ignorant CITAZEN.
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: There seems to be a lot of crashes involving our town's elderly reported in this very paper, I could find you lots of examples but I have better things to be doing. One thing i struggle to understand is why such a clever upstanding citazen like yourself "overthehill" has to resort to name calling?[/p][/quote]Maybe he resorted to name calling because you're an ignorant CITAZEN. stfcdod
  • Score: 0

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