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Plans for making crash road safer

Swindon Advertiser: The scene of the crash which claimed the life of Paul Winters The scene of the crash which claimed the life of Paul Winters

A NUMBER of options to improve safety on Thamesdown Drive are being considered following a meeting last week.

Last month, Paul Winters was killed on the North Swindon road and the tragic crash has led to calls from local residents for action to be taken.

A meeting was held on Wednesday between the police, members of the council’s highways team and local councillors to discuss possible ideas.

While nothing at this stage is set in stone, the meeting was described as a positive step forward.

Councillor Oliver Donachie (Con, Haydon Wick), said: “The meeting allowed us to look at statistics on the number of accidents which have occurred over the last three years.

“What they showed was that in terms of the amount of traffic the road is in fact very safe, especially when compared with others.

“However, there is a public perception that the road is not safe so it is important that we do something to address those concerns as it is simply not enough to point at figures and say everything is alright.”

One of the major issues highlighted by residents, both online and at a recent locality meeting, was the tendency of drivers to jump red lights.

The council last week announced it was planning to install a SCOOT system in the lights which detects the amount of traffic and then adjusts the red lights so people do not end up catching all the red lights in one journey.

The possibility of also installing other systems was discussed at the meeting.

Coun Donachie said: “Alongside SCOOT we could also have a traffic amelioration system which means the lights judge how fast cars are going.

“If they are travelling too fast then it will adjust the light system to try and encourage them to slow down in the safest way possible.

“At this stage absolutely nothing is set in stone and these were only initial ideas for us to consider but the possibility of putting in CCTV was looked at.

“There are a number of issues around this but it is something I would welcome as it would give a chance to bring prosecutions against those breaking the law.”

Whatever the outcome, Coun Donachie says that the vast majority of accidents are down to bad drivers.

“The police have been out on the road looking for offenders but it is simply not possible or practical for them to be there 24/7,” he said.

“It is down to the responsibility of drivers to take care when on the roads.”

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  • Score: -1

9:53am Mon 30 Jun 14

DiDiDI says...

It would be an idea to have speed traps on that road at night. We can hear the motorcycles using it as a racetrack from our house, unfortunately we can't see them so wouldn't be able to phone the police with any numbers/descriptions - not that it would be possible to get any at the speeds they go. Notwithstanding that the two to four police officers allocated to Swindon at night will be in the Town Centre and a long way from North Swindon.
It would be an idea to have speed traps on that road at night. We can hear the motorcycles using it as a racetrack from our house, unfortunately we can't see them so wouldn't be able to phone the police with any numbers/descriptions - not that it would be possible to get any at the speeds they go. Notwithstanding that the two to four police officers allocated to Swindon at night will be in the Town Centre and a long way from North Swindon. DiDiDI
  • Score: -2

10:36am Mon 30 Jun 14

Wildwestener says...

If you catch one red light you catch them all at the moment, making it frustrating which I am sure leads some to speed. The very short gaps between lights doesn't help either. Basically though, people need to keep to speed limit and not drive like idiots.
If you catch one red light you catch them all at the moment, making it frustrating which I am sure leads some to speed. The very short gaps between lights doesn't help either. Basically though, people need to keep to speed limit and not drive like idiots. Wildwestener
  • Score: 10

11:17am Mon 30 Jun 14

Oldtownmum says...

I find the lights very frustrating and I admit I do occasionally pick up speed or get through a set if I've already hit about four red lights in a row and I'm running late for work. I also totally agree with speed traps at night. I live on a long straight road and we have plenty of morons zooming up and down on their noisy bikes or souped up cars (most of which I reckon barely scrape through an MOT). I can only imagine what Thamesdown Drive sounds like at night if you live locally
I find the lights very frustrating and I admit I do occasionally pick up speed or get through a set if I've already hit about four red lights in a row and I'm running late for work. I also totally agree with speed traps at night. I live on a long straight road and we have plenty of morons zooming up and down on their noisy bikes or souped up cars (most of which I reckon barely scrape through an MOT). I can only imagine what Thamesdown Drive sounds like at night if you live locally Oldtownmum
  • Score: -14

11:25am Mon 30 Jun 14

BCDR99 says...

“However, there is a public perception that the road is not safe so it is important that we do something to address those concerns as it is simply not enough to point at figures and say everything is alright.”

Really??? If the road is safe, then why are we spending money on convincing residents of this (I'm one of them by the way)?

I do think, however, that the cycle/foot path that runs alongside is an accident waiting to happen. The number of cars that have come round the sweeping bend and left the road is quite high. It's only a co-incidence that no-one was on the path at the time these accidents occurred.
“However, there is a public perception that the road is not safe so it is important that we do something to address those concerns as it is simply not enough to point at figures and say everything is alright.” Really??? If the road is safe, then why are we spending money on convincing residents of this (I'm one of them by the way)? I do think, however, that the cycle/foot path that runs alongside is an accident waiting to happen. The number of cars that have come round the sweeping bend and left the road is quite high. It's only a co-incidence that no-one was on the path at the time these accidents occurred. BCDR99
  • Score: 0

11:26am Mon 30 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

Nothing wrong with the road.
It's the idiots driving on it. The answer is simple. Make driving rules tougher and ban the bad drivers for life.
Nothing wrong with the road. It's the idiots driving on it. The answer is simple. Make driving rules tougher and ban the bad drivers for life. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -1

11:42am Mon 30 Jun 14

Sandor Clegane says...

@Oldtownmum - the police seem to be completely oblivious, or unwilling, to ever do anything about the loudest car and motorbike exhausts, some of which can be heard from miles away at night. Just another glaring example of law breaking that goes unpunished, even though it's clearly one of the easiest motorting related transgressions to prove and convict over.
@Oldtownmum - the police seem to be completely oblivious, or unwilling, to ever do anything about the loudest car and motorbike exhausts, some of which can be heard from miles away at night. Just another glaring example of law breaking that goes unpunished, even though it's clearly one of the easiest motorting related transgressions to prove and convict over. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 7

11:44am Mon 30 Jun 14

Localboy86 says...

Turn it into a bus lane or reduce speed limit to 20mph that should make it safer
Turn it into a bus lane or reduce speed limit to 20mph that should make it safer Localboy86
  • Score: -26

11:53am Mon 30 Jun 14

Wildwestener says...

Localboy86 wrote:
Turn it into a bus lane or reduce speed limit to 20mph that should make it safer
er no thanks; presume you don't live locally and if you do, you have too much time on your hands
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Turn it into a bus lane or reduce speed limit to 20mph that should make it safer[/p][/quote]er no thanks; presume you don't live locally and if you do, you have too much time on your hands Wildwestener
  • Score: 12

12:01pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Oik1 says...

“Councillor Oliver Donachie (Con, Haydon Wick) said, What they showed was that in terms of the amount of traffic the road is in fact very safe, especially when compared with others."

So it's a case of lack of traffic law enforcement and knee jerk reactions by everyone else, if the road is safer when compared to others then anything else being done or planned is window dressing to silence the vocal minority.
“Councillor Oliver Donachie (Con, Haydon Wick) said, What they showed was that in terms of the amount of traffic the road is in fact very safe, especially when compared with others." So it's a case of lack of traffic law enforcement and knee jerk reactions by everyone else, if the road is safer when compared to others then anything else being done or planned is window dressing to silence the vocal minority. Oik1
  • Score: 5

12:11pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Davidsyrett says...

Roundabouts instead of lights! Simple!
Roundabouts instead of lights! Simple! Davidsyrett
  • Score: 1

12:21pm Mon 30 Jun 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

It is the idiot drivers who think road traffic laws don't apply to them that is the problem.

I regularly see people jumping red lights, weaving in and out to try and gain a couple of spaces and speeding.

Personally I don't find the light sequencing to be that bad. Most of it seems to be triggered by cars pulling up at the side roads especially in off peak times.

The police claim that driver education is the key, however that is rubbish, since in order to get a license they had to be educated and pass a test.

The police have previously stated it is virtually impossible for them to prosecute people even if they have witnessed them going through the red lights etc. I'm not convinced that is true, however the police do finally seem to have woken up about Thamesdown Drive since the death occurred.
It is the idiot drivers who think road traffic laws don't apply to them that is the problem. I regularly see people jumping red lights, weaving in and out to try and gain a couple of spaces and speeding. Personally I don't find the light sequencing to be that bad. Most of it seems to be triggered by cars pulling up at the side roads especially in off peak times. The police claim that driver education is the key, however that is rubbish, since in order to get a license they had to be educated and pass a test. The police have previously stated it is virtually impossible for them to prosecute people even if they have witnessed them going through the red lights etc. I'm not convinced that is true, however the police do finally seem to have woken up about Thamesdown Drive since the death occurred. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 4

12:26pm Mon 30 Jun 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
Roundabouts instead of lights! Simple!
Roundabouts would have to have lights so you won't gain anything. The amount of traffic purely going straight through on Thamesdown drive would prevent people being able to pull out.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Roundabouts instead of lights! Simple![/p][/quote]Roundabouts would have to have lights so you won't gain anything. The amount of traffic purely going straight through on Thamesdown drive would prevent people being able to pull out. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 0

12:26pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Tadpoler says...

Make the traffic flow instead of stop at each and every light
Improve the timing of the Redhouse JCT as it takes ages to work through its options
Get rid of the filter lanes that idiots zoom down to beat patiently waiting traffic
Make the traffic flow instead of stop at each and every light Improve the timing of the Redhouse JCT as it takes ages to work through its options Get rid of the filter lanes that idiots zoom down to beat patiently waiting traffic Tadpoler
  • Score: 4

12:30pm Mon 30 Jun 14

benzss says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
It is the idiot drivers who think road traffic laws don't apply to them that is the problem.

I regularly see people jumping red lights, weaving in and out to try and gain a couple of spaces and speeding.

Personally I don't find the light sequencing to be that bad. Most of it seems to be triggered by cars pulling up at the side roads especially in off peak times.

The police claim that driver education is the key, however that is rubbish, since in order to get a license they had to be educated and pass a test.

The police have previously stated it is virtually impossible for them to prosecute people even if they have witnessed them going through the red lights etc. I'm not convinced that is true, however the police do finally seem to have woken up about Thamesdown Drive since the death occurred.
You *regularly* see people jumping red lights? Really?

I swear that the only people to see really bad driving exist solely on the Adver's comments section. I drive more than your average resident and have never seen anyone jump a red light. Ever.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: It is the idiot drivers who think road traffic laws don't apply to them that is the problem. I regularly see people jumping red lights, weaving in and out to try and gain a couple of spaces and speeding. Personally I don't find the light sequencing to be that bad. Most of it seems to be triggered by cars pulling up at the side roads especially in off peak times. The police claim that driver education is the key, however that is rubbish, since in order to get a license they had to be educated and pass a test. The police have previously stated it is virtually impossible for them to prosecute people even if they have witnessed them going through the red lights etc. I'm not convinced that is true, however the police do finally seem to have woken up about Thamesdown Drive since the death occurred.[/p][/quote]You *regularly* see people jumping red lights? Really? I swear that the only people to see really bad driving exist solely on the Adver's comments section. I drive more than your average resident and have never seen anyone jump a red light. Ever. benzss
  • Score: -19

12:34pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Localboy86 says...

Wildwestener wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Turn it into a bus lane or reduce speed limit to 20mph that should make it safer
er no thanks; presume you don't live locally and if you do, you have too much time on your hands
I live In Swindon, luckily I didnt buy a house in north swindon when I was looking, could see there was going to be problems with parking etc so I don't often travel down Thamesdown drive - when I do it isn't at peak times so haven't found it a problem but agree the lights are annoying, you get caught by one you seem to get caught by all of them. Bus links should be improved to north swindon, should cut down on some of the traffic
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Turn it into a bus lane or reduce speed limit to 20mph that should make it safer[/p][/quote]er no thanks; presume you don't live locally and if you do, you have too much time on your hands[/p][/quote]I live In Swindon, luckily I didnt buy a house in north swindon when I was looking, could see there was going to be problems with parking etc so I don't often travel down Thamesdown drive - when I do it isn't at peak times so haven't found it a problem but agree the lights are annoying, you get caught by one you seem to get caught by all of them. Bus links should be improved to north swindon, should cut down on some of the traffic Localboy86
  • Score: -8

1:33pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Stovepipe says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
I find the lights very frustrating and I admit I do occasionally pick up speed or get through a set if I've already hit about four red lights in a row and I'm running late for work. I also totally agree with speed traps at night. I live on a long straight road and we have plenty of morons zooming up and down on their noisy bikes or souped up cars (most of which I reckon barely scrape through an MOT). I can only imagine what Thamesdown Drive sounds like at night if you live locally
Much better to kill someone than leave for work 5 minutes earlier, is that what you're saying.
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I find the lights very frustrating and I admit I do occasionally pick up speed or get through a set if I've already hit about four red lights in a row and I'm running late for work. I also totally agree with speed traps at night. I live on a long straight road and we have plenty of morons zooming up and down on their noisy bikes or souped up cars (most of which I reckon barely scrape through an MOT). I can only imagine what Thamesdown Drive sounds like at night if you live locally[/p][/quote]Much better to kill someone than leave for work 5 minutes earlier, is that what you're saying. Stovepipe
  • Score: 3

1:34pm Mon 30 Jun 14

house on the hill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Nothing wrong with the road.
It's the idiots driving on it. The answer is simple. Make driving rules tougher and ban the bad drivers for life.
Completely agree and the only thing I would add is to make the driving test harder and make people retake it every time they break the law. Its the same old saying, guns don't kill people, people kill people, our roads are inanimate objects, its the arrogant and selfish attitudes of those using them that cause the crashes, injuries and deaths. No need to change the road, just the attitudes of those using it by education and proper punishment for those have have such contempt for others lives and their own.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Nothing wrong with the road. It's the idiots driving on it. The answer is simple. Make driving rules tougher and ban the bad drivers for life.[/p][/quote]Completely agree and the only thing I would add is to make the driving test harder and make people retake it every time they break the law. Its the same old saying, guns don't kill people, people kill people, our roads are inanimate objects, its the arrogant and selfish attitudes of those using them that cause the crashes, injuries and deaths. No need to change the road, just the attitudes of those using it by education and proper punishment for those have have such contempt for others lives and their own. house on the hill
  • Score: 5

1:54pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Davidsyrett says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
Roundabouts instead of lights! Simple!
Roundabouts would have to have lights so you won't gain anything. The amount of traffic purely going straight through on Thamesdown drive would prevent people being able to pull out.
Actually, thats not true, by putting in roundabouts makes it harder to speed as you have to slow down to get around it. But OK, put lights on the roundabouts, make it even better.

Unfortunately some see this road as one long race track and that wont change whatever happens to the sequence of traffic lights..
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Roundabouts instead of lights! Simple![/p][/quote]Roundabouts would have to have lights so you won't gain anything. The amount of traffic purely going straight through on Thamesdown drive would prevent people being able to pull out.[/p][/quote]Actually, thats not true, by putting in roundabouts makes it harder to speed as you have to slow down to get around it. But OK, put lights on the roundabouts, make it even better. Unfortunately some see this road as one long race track and that wont change whatever happens to the sequence of traffic lights.. Davidsyrett
  • Score: -2

2:49pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Oldtownmum says...

Stovepipe wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
I find the lights very frustrating and I admit I do occasionally pick up speed or get through a set if I've already hit about four red lights in a row and I'm running late for work. I also totally agree with speed traps at night. I live on a long straight road and we have plenty of morons zooming up and down on their noisy bikes or souped up cars (most of which I reckon barely scrape through an MOT). I can only imagine what Thamesdown Drive sounds like at night if you live locally
Much better to kill someone than leave for work 5 minutes earlier, is that what you're saying.
I didn't say I exceeded the limit, I said I speed up, to catch the green light. I also leave home in plenty of time, but if you get the wrong flow of lights it can easily add five minutes. They need fixing. Much better to try and start the usual bored middle aged men quarrels than just let someone's comment stand though, eh?!?!
[quote][p][bold]Stovepipe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I find the lights very frustrating and I admit I do occasionally pick up speed or get through a set if I've already hit about four red lights in a row and I'm running late for work. I also totally agree with speed traps at night. I live on a long straight road and we have plenty of morons zooming up and down on their noisy bikes or souped up cars (most of which I reckon barely scrape through an MOT). I can only imagine what Thamesdown Drive sounds like at night if you live locally[/p][/quote]Much better to kill someone than leave for work 5 minutes earlier, is that what you're saying.[/p][/quote]I didn't say I exceeded the limit, I said I speed up, to catch the green light. I also leave home in plenty of time, but if you get the wrong flow of lights it can easily add five minutes. They need fixing. Much better to try and start the usual bored middle aged men quarrels than just let someone's comment stand though, eh?!?! Oldtownmum
  • Score: -9

2:54pm Mon 30 Jun 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

benzss wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
It is the idiot drivers who think road traffic laws don't apply to them that is the problem.

I regularly see people jumping red lights, weaving in and out to try and gain a couple of spaces and speeding.

Personally I don't find the light sequencing to be that bad. Most of it seems to be triggered by cars pulling up at the side roads especially in off peak times.

The police claim that driver education is the key, however that is rubbish, since in order to get a license they had to be educated and pass a test.

The police have previously stated it is virtually impossible for them to prosecute people even if they have witnessed them going through the red lights etc. I'm not convinced that is true, however the police do finally seem to have woken up about Thamesdown Drive since the death occurred.
You *regularly* see people jumping red lights? Really?

I swear that the only people to see really bad driving exist solely on the Adver's comments section. I drive more than your average resident and have never seen anyone jump a red light. Ever.
Yes, just to be clear, I regularly see people jumping red lights on Thamesdown Drive.
[quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: It is the idiot drivers who think road traffic laws don't apply to them that is the problem. I regularly see people jumping red lights, weaving in and out to try and gain a couple of spaces and speeding. Personally I don't find the light sequencing to be that bad. Most of it seems to be triggered by cars pulling up at the side roads especially in off peak times. The police claim that driver education is the key, however that is rubbish, since in order to get a license they had to be educated and pass a test. The police have previously stated it is virtually impossible for them to prosecute people even if they have witnessed them going through the red lights etc. I'm not convinced that is true, however the police do finally seem to have woken up about Thamesdown Drive since the death occurred.[/p][/quote]You *regularly* see people jumping red lights? Really? I swear that the only people to see really bad driving exist solely on the Adver's comments section. I drive more than your average resident and have never seen anyone jump a red light. Ever.[/p][/quote]Yes, just to be clear, I regularly see people jumping red lights on Thamesdown Drive. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 11

2:55pm Mon 30 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Average Speed Cameras......
Average Speed Cameras...... A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -1

2:59pm Mon 30 Jun 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
Roundabouts instead of lights! Simple!
Roundabouts would have to have lights so you won't gain anything. The amount of traffic purely going straight through on Thamesdown drive would prevent people being able to pull out.
Actually, thats not true, by putting in roundabouts makes it harder to speed as you have to slow down to get around it. But OK, put lights on the roundabouts, make it even better.

Unfortunately some see this road as one long race track and that wont change whatever happens to the sequence of traffic lights..
Given the roundabouts would be multi-lane, I suspect a lot of people would cut the lanes on the roundabout too. I see that often enough at other big roundabouts as people don't grasp the concept of going around the roundabout; even when it has white lines indicating the lanes. A few of the ones on the great western are like that.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Roundabouts instead of lights! Simple![/p][/quote]Roundabouts would have to have lights so you won't gain anything. The amount of traffic purely going straight through on Thamesdown drive would prevent people being able to pull out.[/p][/quote]Actually, thats not true, by putting in roundabouts makes it harder to speed as you have to slow down to get around it. But OK, put lights on the roundabouts, make it even better. Unfortunately some see this road as one long race track and that wont change whatever happens to the sequence of traffic lights..[/p][/quote]Given the roundabouts would be multi-lane, I suspect a lot of people would cut the lanes on the roundabout too. I see that often enough at other big roundabouts as people don't grasp the concept of going around the roundabout; even when it has white lines indicating the lanes. A few of the ones on the great western are like that. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 3

3:13pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
Stovepipe wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
I find the lights very frustrating and I admit I do occasionally pick up speed or get through a set if I've already hit about four red lights in a row and I'm running late for work. I also totally agree with speed traps at night. I live on a long straight road and we have plenty of morons zooming up and down on their noisy bikes or souped up cars (most of which I reckon barely scrape through an MOT). I can only imagine what Thamesdown Drive sounds like at night if you live locally
Much better to kill someone than leave for work 5 minutes earlier, is that what you're saying.
I didn't say I exceeded the limit, I said I speed up, to catch the green light. I also leave home in plenty of time, but if you get the wrong flow of lights it can easily add five minutes. They need fixing. Much better to try and start the usual bored middle aged men quarrels than just let someone's comment stand though, eh?!?!
Either way you are not driving correctly. You're either going to slow before speeding up or exceeding the speed limit to avoid having to stop.
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stovepipe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I find the lights very frustrating and I admit I do occasionally pick up speed or get through a set if I've already hit about four red lights in a row and I'm running late for work. I also totally agree with speed traps at night. I live on a long straight road and we have plenty of morons zooming up and down on their noisy bikes or souped up cars (most of which I reckon barely scrape through an MOT). I can only imagine what Thamesdown Drive sounds like at night if you live locally[/p][/quote]Much better to kill someone than leave for work 5 minutes earlier, is that what you're saying.[/p][/quote]I didn't say I exceeded the limit, I said I speed up, to catch the green light. I also leave home in plenty of time, but if you get the wrong flow of lights it can easily add five minutes. They need fixing. Much better to try and start the usual bored middle aged men quarrels than just let someone's comment stand though, eh?!?![/p][/quote]Either way you are not driving correctly. You're either going to slow before speeding up or exceeding the speed limit to avoid having to stop. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -1

5:34pm Mon 30 Jun 14

GrumpyLocal says...

house on the hill wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Nothing wrong with the road.
It's the idiots driving on it. The answer is simple. Make driving rules tougher and ban the bad drivers for life.
Completely agree and the only thing I would add is to make the driving test harder and make people retake it every time they break the law. Its the same old saying, guns don't kill people, people kill people, our roads are inanimate objects, its the arrogant and selfish attitudes of those using them that cause the crashes, injuries and deaths. No need to change the road, just the attitudes of those using it by education and proper punishment for those have have such contempt for others lives and their own.
Although I agree mainly, there are some roads that actively contribute to road accidents (I will continue to call them accidents as describing them as anything else insinuates that people intend to have an crash).
For example, placing pedestrian crossings with lights too close to a roundabout can easily confuse a driver. Are the lights for the roundabout as well as the crossing or not? I've seen people genuinely pass through the green lights at Commonhead without realising they were only for the crossing 20m before the junction.
Thamesdown Drive, as has already been said, is a relatively safe road & the sad accident that took place has not yet had it's cause disclosed. If it was by someone driving at excessively high speeds or deliberately misusing the road, then no amount of minor alterations will prevent this happening again. If the cause was confusion due to the number of lights, road markings or layout then yes something needs to be done.
Years ago, Akers way had the speed limit reduced to 30mph in response to 2 cars being raced at 70-80mph along it & having a horrendous crash. The speed limit on the road was of absolutely no consequence to the two drivers yet this is what was changed in response.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Nothing wrong with the road. It's the idiots driving on it. The answer is simple. Make driving rules tougher and ban the bad drivers for life.[/p][/quote]Completely agree and the only thing I would add is to make the driving test harder and make people retake it every time they break the law. Its the same old saying, guns don't kill people, people kill people, our roads are inanimate objects, its the arrogant and selfish attitudes of those using them that cause the crashes, injuries and deaths. No need to change the road, just the attitudes of those using it by education and proper punishment for those have have such contempt for others lives and their own.[/p][/quote]Although I agree mainly, there are some roads that actively contribute to road accidents (I will continue to call them accidents as describing them as anything else insinuates that people intend to have an crash). For example, placing pedestrian crossings with lights too close to a roundabout can easily confuse a driver. Are the lights for the roundabout as well as the crossing or not? I've seen people genuinely pass through the green lights at Commonhead without realising they were only for the crossing 20m before the junction. Thamesdown Drive, as has already been said, is a relatively safe road & the sad accident that took place has not yet had it's cause disclosed. If it was by someone driving at excessively high speeds or deliberately misusing the road, then no amount of minor alterations will prevent this happening again. If the cause was confusion due to the number of lights, road markings or layout then yes something needs to be done. Years ago, Akers way had the speed limit reduced to 30mph in response to 2 cars being raced at 70-80mph along it & having a horrendous crash. The speed limit on the road was of absolutely no consequence to the two drivers yet this is what was changed in response. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 2

2:45am Tue 1 Jul 14

greenpacer says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
Roundabouts instead of lights! Simple!
Roundabouts would have to have lights so you won't gain anything. The amount of traffic purely going straight through on Thamesdown drive would prevent people being able to pull out.
Actually, thats not true, by putting in roundabouts makes it harder to speed as you have to slow down to get around it. But OK, put lights on the roundabouts, make it even better.

Unfortunately some see this road as one long race track and that wont change whatever happens to the sequence of traffic lights..
Given the roundabouts would be multi-lane, I suspect a lot of people would cut the lanes on the roundabout too. I see that often enough at other big roundabouts as people don't grasp the concept of going around the roundabout; even when it has white lines indicating the lanes. A few of the ones on the great western are like that.
A few of the roundabouts on Great Western Way are marked out badly. Like two lanes from Mannington roundabout filtering down to one on Tewkesbury Way. Drivers tend to race to get first place on the road as you come off the roundabout. I have experienced two drivers doing this while I was coming from the opposite direction once. Frightened the life out of me, could very nearly sent me off the road!
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: Roundabouts instead of lights! Simple![/p][/quote]Roundabouts would have to have lights so you won't gain anything. The amount of traffic purely going straight through on Thamesdown drive would prevent people being able to pull out.[/p][/quote]Actually, thats not true, by putting in roundabouts makes it harder to speed as you have to slow down to get around it. But OK, put lights on the roundabouts, make it even better. Unfortunately some see this road as one long race track and that wont change whatever happens to the sequence of traffic lights..[/p][/quote]Given the roundabouts would be multi-lane, I suspect a lot of people would cut the lanes on the roundabout too. I see that often enough at other big roundabouts as people don't grasp the concept of going around the roundabout; even when it has white lines indicating the lanes. A few of the ones on the great western are like that.[/p][/quote]A few of the roundabouts on Great Western Way are marked out badly. Like two lanes from Mannington roundabout filtering down to one on Tewkesbury Way. Drivers tend to race to get first place on the road as you come off the roundabout. I have experienced two drivers doing this while I was coming from the opposite direction once. Frightened the life out of me, could very nearly sent me off the road! greenpacer
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12:17pm Tue 1 Jul 14

maz63uk says...

Cover all opposing lights so the opposite traffic cannot see the lights changing and can only see their own lane. I come out of Pembroke Park every day and have had two near misses so far when folk have shot through the opposing lights before they have a green because they can see ours are changing.
Also the inside lane on Purton Road towards Woodhall is for people turning into Pembroke Park not for those wanting to 'beat' the traffic queue going up to Woodhall Roundabout so don't honk your horn at me when I stop to turn right into Pembroke and block your 'super move' to be first to the Woodhall roundabout.
Cover all opposing lights so the opposite traffic cannot see the lights changing and can only see their own lane. I come out of Pembroke Park every day and have had two near misses so far when folk have shot through the opposing lights before they have a green because they can see ours are changing. Also the inside lane on Purton Road towards Woodhall is for people turning into Pembroke Park not for those wanting to 'beat' the traffic queue going up to Woodhall Roundabout so don't honk your horn at me when I stop to turn right into Pembroke and block your 'super move' to be first to the Woodhall roundabout. maz63uk
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