Fire becomes a burning issue

The smouldering piles of waste have been scooped up to assist in helping the Averies recycling fire burn itself out

The smouldering piles of waste have been scooped up to assist in helping the Averies recycling fire burn itself out

First published in News by

THREE weeks after the Averies Recycling fire erupted in Marshgate local residents and businessess are becoming increasingly impatient as it continues to affect their health and their working hours.

Plans are being formulated for the safe removal of the unburned non-hazardous waste to allow firefighters to aggressively tackle the flames.

Fire chiefs have said once a site has been confirmed, the plume of smoke billowing from the site will increase for a time, but are intent upon the best course of action to stop the fire as soon as practicable.

Richard Harvey, owner of the yard adjacent to the Averies site, said workers in the yard have had their businesses hit hard by the constast smoke in the area.

“Because of the smoke several of our people have had to have one or two days off at a time,” he said. “You can’t work in smoke because after a couple of minutes it is in your throat. We have struggled on as best we can.

“The people hardest hit are the ones working outside fitting tyres. One of the businesses is a recording studio and people are being put off going there, so their takings are really down.

“I can understand why it has gone on for so long because the yard was so full.

“The only way they could get to the fire to begin with was through our yard because there is no space for them to work.

“Now they have put a breaker down between us and them.

“One day people can work and the next day they can’t. The rubbish is up to six feet lower than the ground level. There is a whole pile of rubbish still smouldering which is quite frightening.”

Richard Goodman, who works at a car repair shop on Powdrills Yard, said: “It all stinks the workshop out. We have to close the windows in the workshop when it gets really bad, and I know staff at WH Smith are not allowed to open their windows for health and safety reasons. You can’t sit outside in it and you can’t put your washing out.

“I just feel sorry for the people who live next door. We have got a lot of smells in the workshop but the smoke overpowers it. It might be a good idea for the owners of the place to sleep next door to it for a week and see how they get on.”

John Keeping, 70, of Stratton, said he is becoming increasingly impatient but expects the fire to burn for weeks to come.

“I have been told that this smoke is not harmless, and my wife and I have suffered terribly from coughs inhaling these toxic fumes,” he said.

“They say it could be burning for another 10 weeks, and when I asked them why they are not putting it out they say they are not allowed to. If they have too much water run-off it could contaminate the river.

“The only god-send we have had was the recent torrential rain, because at least that killed the terrible smell we have been subject to in the area.

“I have been in the waste industry for some time and PVC is dangerous if it burns. We put the washing out but when we bring it back in it stinks.”

Brian Cosway, 79, of Stratton, said the smoke was affecting his health.

“I can smell it a great deal where I am,” he said. “I have got terminal cancer in my lungs and I have to have my windows open at night. That helps with my breathing.

“But where we are getting this smoke it is pretty uncomfortable if the wind blows the wrong way.

“You do not think about it until it starts affecting you. I have been struggling to get around.”

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8:57am Thu 14 Aug 14

Isthisthebestswindon cando says...

To sign the petition asking for an enquiry into the events surrounding this fire and how it has been dealt with please visit:

ww5.swindon.gov.uk/m
oderngov/mgEPetition
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To sign the petition asking for an enquiry into the events surrounding this fire and how it has been dealt with please visit: ww5.swindon.gov.uk/m oderngov/mgEPetition ListDisplay.aspx? Isthisthebestswindon cando
  • Score: 25

9:17am Thu 14 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Quote from Richard Harvey..
“Because of the smoke several of our people have had to have one or two days off at a time,” he said. “You can’t work in smoke because after a couple of minutes it is in your throat. We have struggled on as best we can"

In fairness you are responsible for the situation either in part or full. The fact you acknowledge that after a few minutes "Its in your throat"
means you know how dangerous an environment this is to work in.....What about the people who have had no choice and have had to live in the environment created by Averies.
I am sure there will be a lengthy court case after this and the usual delaying tactics will be deployed but it is important to get all those who have added to the misery of others.
Who signed off that the waste was stored in compliance with EA guide lines, when was the last audit carried out, what security do people have that this will NEVER happen again?

A number of people have chosen to blame the fire service...To me this seem strange at say the least...IF they soak it and cause further environmental damage they will be blamed and this will distract from the actual matter at hand.
With a general election coming soon we have one of those rare windows where government actually remember they work for us.
If you have been affected by this talk to your councilor, use the petition, present a copy of it to councilors as publicly as possible.
Essentially there are six months in which to make this happen where pressure will count.
Once again we have a situation that doesnt need new laws it needs enforcement of the existing laws.
I sincerely wish the situation is resolved quickly and professionally with those responsible held to account not just a token action to make it go away.
Quote from Richard Harvey.. “Because of the smoke several of our people have had to have one or two days off at a time,” he said. “You can’t work in smoke because after a couple of minutes it is in your throat. We have struggled on as best we can" In fairness you are responsible for the situation either in part or full. The fact you acknowledge that after a few minutes "Its in your throat" means you know how dangerous an environment this is to work in.....What about the people who have had no choice and have had to live in the environment created by Averies. I am sure there will be a lengthy court case after this and the usual delaying tactics will be deployed but it is important to get all those who have added to the misery of others. Who signed off that the waste was stored in compliance with EA guide lines, when was the last audit carried out, what security do people have that this will NEVER happen again? A number of people have chosen to blame the fire service...To me this seem strange at say the least...IF they soak it and cause further environmental damage they will be blamed and this will distract from the actual matter at hand. With a general election coming soon we have one of those rare windows where government actually remember they work for us. If you have been affected by this talk to your councilor, use the petition, present a copy of it to councilors as publicly as possible. Essentially there are six months in which to make this happen where pressure will count. Once again we have a situation that doesnt need new laws it needs enforcement of the existing laws. I sincerely wish the situation is resolved quickly and professionally with those responsible held to account not just a token action to make it go away. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 18

9:19am Thu 14 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

Put it out!
Put it out! Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 9

10:29am Thu 14 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Just a personal curiosity. Are the company still taking on work?
Just a personal curiosity. Are the company still taking on work? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 9

11:04am Thu 14 Aug 14

stratton man says...

Wise words as always Badger.On your second post surely these cowboys are not still tipping at the site and literally adding fuel to the fire.The EA need to re assure us they have control of this issue.
Wise words as always Badger.On your second post surely these cowboys are not still tipping at the site and literally adding fuel to the fire.The EA need to re assure us they have control of this issue. stratton man
  • Score: 8

11:14am Thu 14 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Just a personal curiosity. Are the company still taking on work?
I saw an averies skip truck out this morning so I'm guessing so
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: Just a personal curiosity. Are the company still taking on work?[/p][/quote]I saw an averies skip truck out this morning so I'm guessing so Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 6

11:44am Thu 14 Aug 14

EmmBee says...

Dam the stream up, put out the fire using water recirculated from the stream, when fire it out treat the water.
Dam the stream up, put out the fire using water recirculated from the stream, when fire it out treat the water. EmmBee
  • Score: 4

12:30pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

stratton man wrote:
Wise words as always Badger.On your second post surely these cowboys are not still tipping at the site and literally adding fuel to the fire.The EA need to re assure us they have control of this issue.
Shucks not sure about always.
I had a look on the website to see about who actually owns the company but it is under construction....?
You can however contact by telephone or send an email to get a quote??
As Alan has said he saw a skip out?

I have been very lucky and where I live is not directly effected by this but I do fear that this will be pushed away and forgotten about.
As I understand it council meetings can now be recorded and visited by the public so I would be keen to see what level of investigation is being put in place for this situation.
If there is no sign of council fixing the issue and putting concrete reassurance that this will not be repeated....This is the bit I have no idea about how does a vote of no confidence happen?
Can it clear a council in order to start again?
If successful could it be used as a president to other councils....Dare I say government?
[quote][p][bold]stratton man[/bold] wrote: Wise words as always Badger.On your second post surely these cowboys are not still tipping at the site and literally adding fuel to the fire.The EA need to re assure us they have control of this issue.[/p][/quote]Shucks not sure about always. I had a look on the website to see about who actually owns the company but it is under construction....? You can however contact by telephone or send an email to get a quote?? As Alan has said he saw a skip out? I have been very lucky and where I live is not directly effected by this but I do fear that this will be pushed away and forgotten about. As I understand it council meetings can now be recorded and visited by the public so I would be keen to see what level of investigation is being put in place for this situation. If there is no sign of council fixing the issue and putting concrete reassurance that this will not be repeated....This is the bit I have no idea about how does a vote of no confidence happen? Can it clear a council in order to start again? If successful could it be used as a president to other councils....Dare I say government? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

12:33pm Thu 14 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

EmmBee wrote:
Dam the stream up, put out the fire using water recirculated from the stream, when fire it out treat the water.
If only life were that simple and those involved were competent enough to do something like that as well as having the resources.....!
[quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: Dam the stream up, put out the fire using water recirculated from the stream, when fire it out treat the water.[/p][/quote]If only life were that simple and those involved were competent enough to do something like that as well as having the resources.....! house on the hill
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Yes they are still taking on work????
Where will it be stored?
Yes they are still taking on work???? Where will it be stored? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

1:41pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Al Smith says...

house on the hill wrote:
EmmBee wrote:
Dam the stream up, put out the fire using water recirculated from the stream, when fire it out treat the water.
If only life were that simple and those involved were competent enough to do something like that as well as having the resources.....!
So many firefighting experts here, why not go down to marshgate and tell the firemen and EA how to solve the problem instead of writing comments here.

I'm guessing people have never had a bonfire and then had a light rain shower. So long as the bonfire is big enough and the rain light enough the fire WILL NOT GO OUT. The reason being that the water evaporates before it can put the fire out, even if there is enough rain to put out the fire there might be enough heat left in the smouldering embers to reignite a fire.

Another example is the story of the clinker from the railway engines at north star which was allowed to "burn" for I don't know how many years because it was too expensive to put out. I think even rain and snow didn't manage it because the water couldn't penetrate deep enough.

This is the problem at marshgate, the root of fire is deeply buried (even their efforts and the storms we've had haven't worked), the fire fighters don't have enough room to work, until they can get the excess waste removed (who would want it near them) there's not much they can do.

So as it stands the only way to get enough water in there to put everything out would probably involve flooding that part of Swindon.

I used to consider myself pretty ignorant when it came to stuff like firefighting...
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: Dam the stream up, put out the fire using water recirculated from the stream, when fire it out treat the water.[/p][/quote]If only life were that simple and those involved were competent enough to do something like that as well as having the resources.....![/p][/quote]So many firefighting experts here, why not go down to marshgate and tell the firemen and EA how to solve the problem instead of writing comments here. I'm guessing people have never had a bonfire and then had a light rain shower. So long as the bonfire is big enough and the rain light enough the fire WILL NOT GO OUT. The reason being that the water evaporates before it can put the fire out, even if there is enough rain to put out the fire there might be enough heat left in the smouldering embers to reignite a fire. Another example is the story of the clinker from the railway engines at north star which was allowed to "burn" for I don't know how many years because it was too expensive to put out. I think even rain and snow didn't manage it because the water couldn't penetrate deep enough. This is the problem at marshgate, the root of fire is deeply buried (even their efforts and the storms we've had haven't worked), the fire fighters don't have enough room to work, until they can get the excess waste removed (who would want it near them) there's not much they can do. So as it stands the only way to get enough water in there to put everything out would probably involve flooding that part of Swindon. I used to consider myself pretty ignorant when it came to stuff like firefighting... Al Smith
  • Score: 4

1:51pm Thu 14 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

Al Smith wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
EmmBee wrote:
Dam the stream up, put out the fire using water recirculated from the stream, when fire it out treat the water.
If only life were that simple and those involved were competent enough to do something like that as well as having the resources.....!
So many firefighting experts here, why not go down to marshgate and tell the firemen and EA how to solve the problem instead of writing comments here.

I'm guessing people have never had a bonfire and then had a light rain shower. So long as the bonfire is big enough and the rain light enough the fire WILL NOT GO OUT. The reason being that the water evaporates before it can put the fire out, even if there is enough rain to put out the fire there might be enough heat left in the smouldering embers to reignite a fire.

Another example is the story of the clinker from the railway engines at north star which was allowed to "burn" for I don't know how many years because it was too expensive to put out. I think even rain and snow didn't manage it because the water couldn't penetrate deep enough.

This is the problem at marshgate, the root of fire is deeply buried (even their efforts and the storms we've had haven't worked), the fire fighters don't have enough room to work, until they can get the excess waste removed (who would want it near them) there's not much they can do.

So as it stands the only way to get enough water in there to put everything out would probably involve flooding that part of Swindon.

I used to consider myself pretty ignorant when it came to stuff like firefighting...
I think you will find my comment said the same, that clearly that wasn't an option. Maybe you should learn about manners as well as firefighting before you slag others off without bothering to read what they actually wrote. But then others don't so I guess why should you!
[quote][p][bold]Al Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: Dam the stream up, put out the fire using water recirculated from the stream, when fire it out treat the water.[/p][/quote]If only life were that simple and those involved were competent enough to do something like that as well as having the resources.....![/p][/quote]So many firefighting experts here, why not go down to marshgate and tell the firemen and EA how to solve the problem instead of writing comments here. I'm guessing people have never had a bonfire and then had a light rain shower. So long as the bonfire is big enough and the rain light enough the fire WILL NOT GO OUT. The reason being that the water evaporates before it can put the fire out, even if there is enough rain to put out the fire there might be enough heat left in the smouldering embers to reignite a fire. Another example is the story of the clinker from the railway engines at north star which was allowed to "burn" for I don't know how many years because it was too expensive to put out. I think even rain and snow didn't manage it because the water couldn't penetrate deep enough. This is the problem at marshgate, the root of fire is deeply buried (even their efforts and the storms we've had haven't worked), the fire fighters don't have enough room to work, until they can get the excess waste removed (who would want it near them) there's not much they can do. So as it stands the only way to get enough water in there to put everything out would probably involve flooding that part of Swindon. I used to consider myself pretty ignorant when it came to stuff like firefighting...[/p][/quote]I think you will find my comment said the same, that clearly that wasn't an option. Maybe you should learn about manners as well as firefighting before you slag others off without bothering to read what they actually wrote. But then others don't so I guess why should you! house on the hill
  • Score: -1

1:58pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Grimsbygal says...

Shouldn't Averies be questioned on how much material they are legally required to store there? This is not the Fire Service's fault, nor Environmental Health, surely it is the responsibility of Averies.
Having the Fire Service present is costing thousands of pounds, will Averies be paying for this when they could have had the waste removed at an earlier stage so that the Firefighters could get to the source? Will Averies be paying for business's loss of earnings? I doubt this. It seems there is a lot of bad press on this site about the Fire Service and Environmental Health but maybe people should consider why Averies have not taken action to remove the waste yet....
Shouldn't Averies be questioned on how much material they are legally required to store there? This is not the Fire Service's fault, nor Environmental Health, surely it is the responsibility of Averies. Having the Fire Service present is costing thousands of pounds, will Averies be paying for this when they could have had the waste removed at an earlier stage so that the Firefighters could get to the source? Will Averies be paying for business's loss of earnings? I doubt this. It seems there is a lot of bad press on this site about the Fire Service and Environmental Health but maybe people should consider why Averies have not taken action to remove the waste yet.... Grimsbygal
  • Score: 6

2:15pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Grimsbygal wrote:
Shouldn't Averies be questioned on how much material they are legally required to store there? This is not the Fire Service's fault, nor Environmental Health, surely it is the responsibility of Averies.
Having the Fire Service present is costing thousands of pounds, will Averies be paying for this when they could have had the waste removed at an earlier stage so that the Firefighters could get to the source? Will Averies be paying for business's loss of earnings? I doubt this. It seems there is a lot of bad press on this site about the Fire Service and Environmental Health but maybe people should consider why Averies have not taken action to remove the waste yet....
I believe the term is distraction.
Some of those with things to hide will attempt to spread the blame.
[quote][p][bold]Grimsbygal[/bold] wrote: Shouldn't Averies be questioned on how much material they are legally required to store there? This is not the Fire Service's fault, nor Environmental Health, surely it is the responsibility of Averies. Having the Fire Service present is costing thousands of pounds, will Averies be paying for this when they could have had the waste removed at an earlier stage so that the Firefighters could get to the source? Will Averies be paying for business's loss of earnings? I doubt this. It seems there is a lot of bad press on this site about the Fire Service and Environmental Health but maybe people should consider why Averies have not taken action to remove the waste yet....[/p][/quote]I believe the term is distraction. Some of those with things to hide will attempt to spread the blame. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 2

2:34pm Thu 14 Aug 14

New Balance says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
stratton man wrote:
Wise words as always Badger.On your second post surely these cowboys are not still tipping at the site and literally adding fuel to the fire.The EA need to re assure us they have control of this issue.
Shucks not sure about always.
I had a look on the website to see about who actually owns the company but it is under construction....?
You can however contact by telephone or send an email to get a quote??
As Alan has said he saw a skip out?

I have been very lucky and where I live is not directly effected by this but I do fear that this will be pushed away and forgotten about.
As I understand it council meetings can now be recorded and visited by the public so I would be keen to see what level of investigation is being put in place for this situation.
If there is no sign of council fixing the issue and putting concrete reassurance that this will not be repeated....This is the bit I have no idea about how does a vote of no confidence happen?
Can it clear a council in order to start again?
If successful could it be used as a president to other councils....Dare I say government?
All the information you're after is here:

http://www.flicwilts
hire.com/news/genera
l/averies-waste-plan
t-owners-eight-year-
trail-of-safety-brea
ches.aspx#.U-y6pqM09
TA

http://www.marlborou
ghpeople.co.uk/Marlb
orough-Area-Skip-Com
pany-owners-face-tri
al/story-16338589-de
tail/story.html

http://www.airqualit
ynews.com/2013/11/18
/swindon-firm-to-pay
-73000-following-dus
t-emissions/
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stratton man[/bold] wrote: Wise words as always Badger.On your second post surely these cowboys are not still tipping at the site and literally adding fuel to the fire.The EA need to re assure us they have control of this issue.[/p][/quote]Shucks not sure about always. I had a look on the website to see about who actually owns the company but it is under construction....? You can however contact by telephone or send an email to get a quote?? As Alan has said he saw a skip out? I have been very lucky and where I live is not directly effected by this but I do fear that this will be pushed away and forgotten about. As I understand it council meetings can now be recorded and visited by the public so I would be keen to see what level of investigation is being put in place for this situation. If there is no sign of council fixing the issue and putting concrete reassurance that this will not be repeated....This is the bit I have no idea about how does a vote of no confidence happen? Can it clear a council in order to start again? If successful could it be used as a president to other councils....Dare I say government?[/p][/quote]All the information you're after is here: http://www.flicwilts hire.com/news/genera l/averies-waste-plan t-owners-eight-year- trail-of-safety-brea ches.aspx#.U-y6pqM09 TA http://www.marlborou ghpeople.co.uk/Marlb orough-Area-Skip-Com pany-owners-face-tri al/story-16338589-de tail/story.html http://www.airqualit ynews.com/2013/11/18 /swindon-firm-to-pay -73000-following-dus t-emissions/ New Balance
  • Score: 5

2:51pm Thu 14 Aug 14

sugarpuff90 says...

Cant actually believe how narrow minded people that live in swindon are. constantly complaining about the smell and how bad it is. just because it is a waste recycling company everyone thinks they know best about the situation yet if it was somewhere like honda or mcdonalds everyone would be sympathetic because people are loosing out on there jobs etc. averies have staff too and some that are missing out on work because of this situation and then theres others that are carrying on with work in the conditions. and as for people asking about if there still working. Yes averies is still working as per usual and carrying on. although all the slack weve got from this we have carried on as usual and kept our customers happy. for once people should realise the comments they say and actually think about the consequences what if your work was on fire and you couldnt work anymore. dont think youd be too happy. stop going on about the smoke its not affecting anyone its not toxic so stop complaining and man up!
Cant actually believe how narrow minded people that live in swindon are. constantly complaining about the smell and how bad it is. just because it is a waste recycling company everyone thinks they know best about the situation yet if it was somewhere like honda or mcdonalds everyone would be sympathetic because people are loosing out on there jobs etc. averies have staff too and some that are missing out on work because of this situation and then theres others that are carrying on with work in the conditions. and as for people asking about if there still working. Yes averies is still working as per usual and carrying on. although all the slack weve got from this we have carried on as usual and kept our customers happy. for once people should realise the comments they say and actually think about the consequences what if your work was on fire and you couldnt work anymore. dont think youd be too happy. stop going on about the smoke its not affecting anyone its not toxic so stop complaining and man up! sugarpuff90
  • Score: -16

2:56pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

sugarpuff90 wrote:
Cant actually believe how narrow minded people that live in swindon are. constantly complaining about the smell and how bad it is. just because it is a waste recycling company everyone thinks they know best about the situation yet if it was somewhere like honda or mcdonalds everyone would be sympathetic because people are loosing out on there jobs etc. averies have staff too and some that are missing out on work because of this situation and then theres others that are carrying on with work in the conditions. and as for people asking about if there still working. Yes averies is still working as per usual and carrying on. although all the slack weve got from this we have carried on as usual and kept our customers happy. for once people should realise the comments they say and actually think about the consequences what if your work was on fire and you couldnt work anymore. dont think youd be too happy. stop going on about the smoke its not affecting anyone its not toxic so stop complaining and man up!
To say it is not affecting anyone is a load of rubbish(no pun intended)
Imagine living next to that burning stench for weeks on end.
[quote][p][bold]sugarpuff90[/bold] wrote: Cant actually believe how narrow minded people that live in swindon are. constantly complaining about the smell and how bad it is. just because it is a waste recycling company everyone thinks they know best about the situation yet if it was somewhere like honda or mcdonalds everyone would be sympathetic because people are loosing out on there jobs etc. averies have staff too and some that are missing out on work because of this situation and then theres others that are carrying on with work in the conditions. and as for people asking about if there still working. Yes averies is still working as per usual and carrying on. although all the slack weve got from this we have carried on as usual and kept our customers happy. for once people should realise the comments they say and actually think about the consequences what if your work was on fire and you couldnt work anymore. dont think youd be too happy. stop going on about the smoke its not affecting anyone its not toxic so stop complaining and man up![/p][/quote]To say it is not affecting anyone is a load of rubbish(no pun intended) Imagine living next to that burning stench for weeks on end. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 16

3:06pm Thu 14 Aug 14

lilajaelyn says...

Alan Bast*rd wrote:
sugarpuff90 wrote:
Cant actually believe how narrow minded people that live in swindon are. constantly complaining about the smell and how bad it is. just because it is a waste recycling company everyone thinks they know best about the situation yet if it was somewhere like honda or mcdonalds everyone would be sympathetic because people are loosing out on there jobs etc. averies have staff too and some that are missing out on work because of this situation and then theres others that are carrying on with work in the conditions. and as for people asking about if there still working. Yes averies is still working as per usual and carrying on. although all the slack weve got from this we have carried on as usual and kept our customers happy. for once people should realise the comments they say and actually think about the consequences what if your work was on fire and you couldnt work anymore. dont think youd be too happy. stop going on about the smoke its not affecting anyone its not toxic so stop complaining and man up!
To say it is not affecting anyone is a load of rubbish(no pun intended)
Imagine living next to that burning stench for weeks on end.
Imagine working in the office all day every day putting up with the smoke and having to deal with narrow minded people who forget that human beings work there that actually have no say or influence over how the business is ran but are there to do a job and are doing it the best they can
[quote][p][bold]Alan Bast*rd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sugarpuff90[/bold] wrote: Cant actually believe how narrow minded people that live in swindon are. constantly complaining about the smell and how bad it is. just because it is a waste recycling company everyone thinks they know best about the situation yet if it was somewhere like honda or mcdonalds everyone would be sympathetic because people are loosing out on there jobs etc. averies have staff too and some that are missing out on work because of this situation and then theres others that are carrying on with work in the conditions. and as for people asking about if there still working. Yes averies is still working as per usual and carrying on. although all the slack weve got from this we have carried on as usual and kept our customers happy. for once people should realise the comments they say and actually think about the consequences what if your work was on fire and you couldnt work anymore. dont think youd be too happy. stop going on about the smoke its not affecting anyone its not toxic so stop complaining and man up![/p][/quote]To say it is not affecting anyone is a load of rubbish(no pun intended) Imagine living next to that burning stench for weeks on end.[/p][/quote]Imagine working in the office all day every day putting up with the smoke and having to deal with narrow minded people who forget that human beings work there that actually have no say or influence over how the business is ran but are there to do a job and are doing it the best they can lilajaelyn
  • Score: -1

3:15pm Thu 14 Aug 14

sugarpuff90 says...

try working in it everyday for the past 3 weeks but were not complaining!!
try working in it everyday for the past 3 weeks but were not complaining!! sugarpuff90
  • Score: -6

3:23pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

lilajaelyn wrote:
Alan Bast*rd wrote:
sugarpuff90 wrote:
Cant actually believe how narrow minded people that live in swindon are. constantly complaining about the smell and how bad it is. just because it is a waste recycling company everyone thinks they know best about the situation yet if it was somewhere like honda or mcdonalds everyone would be sympathetic because people are loosing out on there jobs etc. averies have staff too and some that are missing out on work because of this situation and then theres others that are carrying on with work in the conditions. and as for people asking about if there still working. Yes averies is still working as per usual and carrying on. although all the slack weve got from this we have carried on as usual and kept our customers happy. for once people should realise the comments they say and actually think about the consequences what if your work was on fire and you couldnt work anymore. dont think youd be too happy. stop going on about the smoke its not affecting anyone its not toxic so stop complaining and man up!
To say it is not affecting anyone is a load of rubbish(no pun intended)
Imagine living next to that burning stench for weeks on end.
Imagine working in the office all day every day putting up with the smoke and having to deal with narrow minded people who forget that human beings work there that actually have no say or influence over how the business is ran but are there to do a job and are doing it the best they can
They have my sympathy.
[quote][p][bold]lilajaelyn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan Bast*rd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sugarpuff90[/bold] wrote: Cant actually believe how narrow minded people that live in swindon are. constantly complaining about the smell and how bad it is. just because it is a waste recycling company everyone thinks they know best about the situation yet if it was somewhere like honda or mcdonalds everyone would be sympathetic because people are loosing out on there jobs etc. averies have staff too and some that are missing out on work because of this situation and then theres others that are carrying on with work in the conditions. and as for people asking about if there still working. Yes averies is still working as per usual and carrying on. although all the slack weve got from this we have carried on as usual and kept our customers happy. for once people should realise the comments they say and actually think about the consequences what if your work was on fire and you couldnt work anymore. dont think youd be too happy. stop going on about the smoke its not affecting anyone its not toxic so stop complaining and man up![/p][/quote]To say it is not affecting anyone is a load of rubbish(no pun intended) Imagine living next to that burning stench for weeks on end.[/p][/quote]Imagine working in the office all day every day putting up with the smoke and having to deal with narrow minded people who forget that human beings work there that actually have no say or influence over how the business is ran but are there to do a job and are doing it the best they can[/p][/quote]They have my sympathy. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 6

3:40pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

sugarpuff90 wrote:
try working in it everyday for the past 3 weeks but were not complaining!!
Maybe you should? I would be.
[quote][p][bold]sugarpuff90[/bold] wrote: try working in it everyday for the past 3 weeks but were not complaining!![/p][/quote]Maybe you should? I would be. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 6

4:12pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

sugarpuff90 wrote:
try working in it everyday for the past 3 weeks but were not complaining!!
Erm... You should be.
People have had the right to work in a healthy environment for many years now.
If you are staff you should NOT be in work without signing off to say you are waving any health and safety concerns that may arise If you are management which by your comments is more likely you should be ashamed of yourself for putting profit before the health of your employees.

There is also the possibility you are just being somewhat of an @rse because you are bored or further attempting to hang the company.
I cannot see how / why someone would make such moronic statements.
[quote][p][bold]sugarpuff90[/bold] wrote: try working in it everyday for the past 3 weeks but were not complaining!![/p][/quote]Erm... You should be. People have had the right to work in a healthy environment for many years now. If you are staff you should NOT be in work without signing off to say you are waving any health and safety concerns that may arise If you are management which by your comments is more likely you should be ashamed of yourself for putting profit before the health of your employees. There is also the possibility you are just being somewhat of an @rse because you are bored or further attempting to hang the company. I cannot see how / why someone would make such moronic statements. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

4:17pm Thu 14 Aug 14

mikeinwanborough says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Quote from Richard Harvey..
“Because of the smoke several of our people have had to have one or two days off at a time,” he said. “You can’t work in smoke because after a couple of minutes it is in your throat. We have struggled on as best we can"

In fairness you are responsible for the situation either in part or full. The fact you acknowledge that after a few minutes "Its in your throat"
means you know how dangerous an environment this is to work in.....What about the people who have had no choice and have had to live in the environment created by Averies.
I am sure there will be a lengthy court case after this and the usual delaying tactics will be deployed but it is important to get all those who have added to the misery of others.
Who signed off that the waste was stored in compliance with EA guide lines, when was the last audit carried out, what security do people have that this will NEVER happen again?

A number of people have chosen to blame the fire service...To me this seem strange at say the least...IF they soak it and cause further environmental damage they will be blamed and this will distract from the actual matter at hand.
With a general election coming soon we have one of those rare windows where government actually remember they work for us.
If you have been affected by this talk to your councilor, use the petition, present a copy of it to councilors as publicly as possible.
Essentially there are six months in which to make this happen where pressure will count.
Once again we have a situation that doesnt need new laws it needs enforcement of the existing laws.
I sincerely wish the situation is resolved quickly and professionally with those responsible held to account not just a token action to make it go away.
You start off by quoting Richard Harvey, but the article states 'Richard Harvey, owner of the yard adjacent to the Averies site, said workers in the yard have had their businesses hit hard by the constant smoke in the area.' You then go on as if Mr Harvey is somehow to blame. If he owns the yard adjacent to the site, he is an affected party, not a culprit?
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: Quote from Richard Harvey.. “Because of the smoke several of our people have had to have one or two days off at a time,” he said. “You can’t work in smoke because after a couple of minutes it is in your throat. We have struggled on as best we can" In fairness you are responsible for the situation either in part or full. The fact you acknowledge that after a few minutes "Its in your throat" means you know how dangerous an environment this is to work in.....What about the people who have had no choice and have had to live in the environment created by Averies. I am sure there will be a lengthy court case after this and the usual delaying tactics will be deployed but it is important to get all those who have added to the misery of others. Who signed off that the waste was stored in compliance with EA guide lines, when was the last audit carried out, what security do people have that this will NEVER happen again? A number of people have chosen to blame the fire service...To me this seem strange at say the least...IF they soak it and cause further environmental damage they will be blamed and this will distract from the actual matter at hand. With a general election coming soon we have one of those rare windows where government actually remember they work for us. If you have been affected by this talk to your councilor, use the petition, present a copy of it to councilors as publicly as possible. Essentially there are six months in which to make this happen where pressure will count. Once again we have a situation that doesnt need new laws it needs enforcement of the existing laws. I sincerely wish the situation is resolved quickly and professionally with those responsible held to account not just a token action to make it go away.[/p][/quote]You start off by quoting Richard Harvey, but the article states 'Richard Harvey, owner of the yard adjacent to the Averies site, said workers in the yard have had their businesses hit hard by the constant smoke in the area.' You then go on as if Mr Harvey is somehow to blame. If he owns the yard adjacent to the site, he is an affected party, not a culprit? mikeinwanborough
  • Score: 3

4:22pm Thu 14 Aug 14

messyits says...

sugarpuff90 wrote:
try working in it everyday for the past 3 weeks but were not complaining!!
You would be if you have any of the pulmonary illness's.
[quote][p][bold]sugarpuff90[/bold] wrote: try working in it everyday for the past 3 weeks but were not complaining!![/p][/quote]You would be if you have any of the pulmonary illness's. messyits
  • Score: -1

4:43pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

New Balance wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
stratton man wrote:
Wise words as always Badger.On your second post surely these cowboys are not still tipping at the site and literally adding fuel to the fire.The EA need to re assure us they have control of this issue.
Shucks not sure about always.
I had a look on the website to see about who actually owns the company but it is under construction....?
You can however contact by telephone or send an email to get a quote??
As Alan has said he saw a skip out?

I have been very lucky and where I live is not directly effected by this but I do fear that this will be pushed away and forgotten about.
As I understand it council meetings can now be recorded and visited by the public so I would be keen to see what level of investigation is being put in place for this situation.
If there is no sign of council fixing the issue and putting concrete reassurance that this will not be repeated....This is the bit I have no idea about how does a vote of no confidence happen?
Can it clear a council in order to start again?
If successful could it be used as a president to other councils....Dare I say government?
All the information you're after is here:

http://www.flicwilts

hire.com/news/genera

l/averies-waste-plan

t-owners-eight-year-

trail-of-safety-brea

ches.aspx#.U-y6pqM09

TA

http://www.marlborou

ghpeople.co.uk/Marlb

orough-Area-Skip-Com

pany-owners-face-tri

al/story-16338589-de

tail/story.html

http://www.airqualit

ynews.com/2013/11/18

/swindon-firm-to-pay

-73000-following-dus

t-emissions/
Thank you
[quote][p][bold]New Balance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stratton man[/bold] wrote: Wise words as always Badger.On your second post surely these cowboys are not still tipping at the site and literally adding fuel to the fire.The EA need to re assure us they have control of this issue.[/p][/quote]Shucks not sure about always. I had a look on the website to see about who actually owns the company but it is under construction....? You can however contact by telephone or send an email to get a quote?? As Alan has said he saw a skip out? I have been very lucky and where I live is not directly effected by this but I do fear that this will be pushed away and forgotten about. As I understand it council meetings can now be recorded and visited by the public so I would be keen to see what level of investigation is being put in place for this situation. If there is no sign of council fixing the issue and putting concrete reassurance that this will not be repeated....This is the bit I have no idea about how does a vote of no confidence happen? Can it clear a council in order to start again? If successful could it be used as a president to other councils....Dare I say government?[/p][/quote]All the information you're after is here: http://www.flicwilts hire.com/news/genera l/averies-waste-plan t-owners-eight-year- trail-of-safety-brea ches.aspx#.U-y6pqM09 TA http://www.marlborou ghpeople.co.uk/Marlb orough-Area-Skip-Com pany-owners-face-tri al/story-16338589-de tail/story.html http://www.airqualit ynews.com/2013/11/18 /swindon-firm-to-pay -73000-following-dus t-emissions/[/p][/quote]Thank you Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

4:51pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

mikeinwanborough wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Quote from Richard Harvey..
“Because of the smoke several of our people have had to have one or two days off at a time,” he said. “You can’t work in smoke because after a couple of minutes it is in your throat. We have struggled on as best we can"

In fairness you are responsible for the situation either in part or full. The fact you acknowledge that after a few minutes "Its in your throat"
means you know how dangerous an environment this is to work in.....What about the people who have had no choice and have had to live in the environment created by Averies.
I am sure there will be a lengthy court case after this and the usual delaying tactics will be deployed but it is important to get all those who have added to the misery of others.
Who signed off that the waste was stored in compliance with EA guide lines, when was the last audit carried out, what security do people have that this will NEVER happen again?

A number of people have chosen to blame the fire service...To me this seem strange at say the least...IF they soak it and cause further environmental damage they will be blamed and this will distract from the actual matter at hand.
With a general election coming soon we have one of those rare windows where government actually remember they work for us.
If you have been affected by this talk to your councilor, use the petition, present a copy of it to councilors as publicly as possible.
Essentially there are six months in which to make this happen where pressure will count.
Once again we have a situation that doesnt need new laws it needs enforcement of the existing laws.
I sincerely wish the situation is resolved quickly and professionally with those responsible held to account not just a token action to make it go away.
You start off by quoting Richard Harvey, but the article states 'Richard Harvey, owner of the yard adjacent to the Averies site, said workers in the yard have had their businesses hit hard by the constant smoke in the area.' You then go on as if Mr Harvey is somehow to blame. If he owns the yard adjacent to the site, he is an affected party, not a culprit?
My apologies to you Mr Harvey you and your staff have been troopers in the face of toxic smoke and a health and safety disaster.

Though I was pretty clear as to whom I feel blame should sit with.
[quote][p][bold]mikeinwanborough[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: Quote from Richard Harvey.. “Because of the smoke several of our people have had to have one or two days off at a time,” he said. “You can’t work in smoke because after a couple of minutes it is in your throat. We have struggled on as best we can" In fairness you are responsible for the situation either in part or full. The fact you acknowledge that after a few minutes "Its in your throat" means you know how dangerous an environment this is to work in.....What about the people who have had no choice and have had to live in the environment created by Averies. I am sure there will be a lengthy court case after this and the usual delaying tactics will be deployed but it is important to get all those who have added to the misery of others. Who signed off that the waste was stored in compliance with EA guide lines, when was the last audit carried out, what security do people have that this will NEVER happen again? A number of people have chosen to blame the fire service...To me this seem strange at say the least...IF they soak it and cause further environmental damage they will be blamed and this will distract from the actual matter at hand. With a general election coming soon we have one of those rare windows where government actually remember they work for us. If you have been affected by this talk to your councilor, use the petition, present a copy of it to councilors as publicly as possible. Essentially there are six months in which to make this happen where pressure will count. Once again we have a situation that doesnt need new laws it needs enforcement of the existing laws. I sincerely wish the situation is resolved quickly and professionally with those responsible held to account not just a token action to make it go away.[/p][/quote]You start off by quoting Richard Harvey, but the article states 'Richard Harvey, owner of the yard adjacent to the Averies site, said workers in the yard have had their businesses hit hard by the constant smoke in the area.' You then go on as if Mr Harvey is somehow to blame. If he owns the yard adjacent to the site, he is an affected party, not a culprit?[/p][/quote]My apologies to you Mr Harvey you and your staff have been troopers in the face of toxic smoke and a health and safety disaster. Though I was pretty clear as to whom I feel blame should sit with. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

5:08pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Oik1 says...

I find it somewhat incredible that Averies can run such a site with no insurance should things go wrong, and now it has who's going to pick up the tab for this?
I find it somewhat incredible that Averies can run such a site with no insurance should things go wrong, and now it has who's going to pick up the tab for this? Oik1
  • Score: 5

5:53pm Thu 14 Aug 14

somwal25 says...

just listen to bbc wiltshire sound interviewing somebody from the environment agency and Averies was report to them on tuesday trying to unload a skip of rubbish on this site. they have served a order on Averies to start moving the rubbish starting friday
just listen to bbc wiltshire sound interviewing somebody from the environment agency and Averies was report to them on tuesday trying to unload a skip of rubbish on this site. they have served a order on Averies to start moving the rubbish starting friday somwal25
  • Score: 2

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