What now for the Oasis?

The Oasis

The Oasis

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THE future of a multi-million pound leisure project at the Oasis hangs in the balance as council chiefs lose patience with the developers.

After leaseholders Moirai missed several key deadlines for moving forward with plans to build an indoor ski-slope, an arena and hotels, the lease on the iconic facility has now been altered.

The Adver understands Moirai has been told that if it does not have a formal application in place for the development by May, along with a company to run the ski-slope signed up, the council will have the power to take back the Oasis.

However, opposition councillors have called for the lease to be taken away now so a new partner can be found to move forward.

Since Moirai took over the venue in 2012 there have been a number of problems. Initial deadlines to submit applications by early 2014 were missed. On top of that, key refurbishment work to the pool-side changing rooms and iconic dome have been put back until the end of this year.

The final straw appears to have come when it emerged many local businesses were owed thousands of pounds when a subsidiary company owned by Moirai went bankrupt.

A Swindon Council spokesman said: “Moirai missed the original deadlines for submitting a planning application for the North Star site, although good progress has been made in reaching agreement with potential operators of the leisure facilities.

“Councillors have been considering whether to allow more time for the planning application to be submitted, taking into account the progress with operators and the amount of technical work needed to support an application of this scale.”

The lease has previously been altered to help push the £65m project forward but now the cabinet has said if there is no progress by May action will be taken.

Coun Dale Heenan (Con, Covingham and Dorcan), the cabinet member for strategic planning and sustainability, said: “We owe it to Swindon residents to do everything possible to see the town get a snow dome and music arena. The easy option is to forget about it.

“This is last chance saloon and we must see a planning application show serious intent soon.”

The Labour Group has previously called on Moirai to be stripped of the Oasis and its leader has once again repeated the call, saying a more reliable company needs to be found.

Coun Jim Grant (Lab, Rodbourne Cheney) said: “The Labour Group position is that we feel the council should be withdrawing from the contract.

“The terms have been broken and we feel it is time for the contract to be terminated.

“Deadlines have been missed and Swindon businesses have lost thousands of pounds.

“There is a stipulation that if Moirai do not reach certain targets they can cancel the contract. The scheme is still workable but it needs another partner. Just because Moirai does not fit the bill does not mean it is over.”

In the past Moirai has cited difficulty in securing bank funding for delays but said work will go ahead on the repairs during the winter, and that it remains committed to the development.

Moirai was contacted by the Adver to discuss the change in the lease but declined to comment.

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12:49pm Tue 26 Aug 14

lolilovegolf says...

DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :(
DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :( lolilovegolf
  • Score: 13

12:52pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

This the council's fault. They flogged it off in the first place. Tin pot outfit.
This the council's fault. They flogged it off in the first place. Tin pot outfit. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 7

12:53pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

SBC should do a little more investigation before going into ventures and deals.
Free Wifi anyone ? 😳
SBC should do a little more investigation before going into ventures and deals. Free Wifi anyone ? 😳 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 7

12:58pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Oik1 says...

Just what will it take for this council to recognise the fact that, companys outside in the real world run for profit and not a dammned thing other than profit?
If Moirai arn't positive they are going to make money from the Oasis they ain't going to spend a single £1, that's if they've got that much.
And if further warning is needed, this should be a clue,

'The final straw appears to have come when it emerged many local businesses were owed thousands of pounds when a subsidiary company owned by Moirai went bankrupt.'

It's looking something like the Mechanics all over again.
Just what will it take for this council to recognise the fact that, companys outside in the real world run for profit and not a dammned thing other than profit? If Moirai arn't positive they are going to make money from the Oasis they ain't going to spend a single £1, that's if they've got that much. And if further warning is needed, this should be a clue, 'The final straw appears to have come when it emerged many local businesses were owed thousands of pounds when a subsidiary company owned by Moirai went bankrupt.' It's looking something like the Mechanics all over again. Oik1
  • Score: 20

1:33pm Tue 26 Aug 14

candid friend says...

This dodgy crew (see wi-fi) can't even privatise properly.
They seem to have an infinite capacity to pick dodgy partners, who default, and wipe out any savings that Swindon Council may have hoped for.
It will take generations to repair the damage that they have done ,with ill-considered sell off's and privatisations.l
A previous t Labour administration turned into a nightmare led by a meglomaniac supported by a deputy with behaviour issues.
Let's hope they can revert in future to the traditional labour leaders (Alf Bown and Jim Masters are good examples)who were moderate and cared about Swindon.
This dodgy crew (see wi-fi) can't even privatise properly. They seem to have an infinite capacity to pick dodgy partners, who default, and wipe out any savings that Swindon Council may have hoped for. It will take generations to repair the damage that they have done ,with ill-considered sell off's and privatisations.l A previous t Labour administration turned into a nightmare led by a meglomaniac supported by a deputy with behaviour issues. Let's hope they can revert in future to the traditional labour leaders (Alf Bown and Jim Masters are good examples)who were moderate and cared about Swindon. candid friend
  • Score: 6

1:48pm Tue 26 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

candid friend wrote:
This dodgy crew (see wi-fi) can't even privatise properly.
They seem to have an infinite capacity to pick dodgy partners, who default, and wipe out any savings that Swindon Council may have hoped for.
It will take generations to repair the damage that they have done ,with ill-considered sell off's and privatisations.l
A previous t Labour administration turned into a nightmare led by a meglomaniac supported by a deputy with behaviour issues.
Let's hope they can revert in future to the traditional labour leaders (Alf Bown and Jim Masters are good examples)who were moderate and cared about Swindon.
Unfortunately as was pointed out above everything in business today is about profit and you cant afford to be "nice" or "moderate". The Council need better due diligence when choosing their partners as way too many rip them off again and again. And all politicians are in it for themselves these days and are elected more on the colour of their rosette than their ability, some people would rather vote for a monkey than "the other side" (and we wonder why democracy doesnt work).

This is a real shame as the Oasis could and should be a facility we are proud of instead of something becoming a joke!
[quote][p][bold]candid friend[/bold] wrote: This dodgy crew (see wi-fi) can't even privatise properly. They seem to have an infinite capacity to pick dodgy partners, who default, and wipe out any savings that Swindon Council may have hoped for. It will take generations to repair the damage that they have done ,with ill-considered sell off's and privatisations.l A previous t Labour administration turned into a nightmare led by a meglomaniac supported by a deputy with behaviour issues. Let's hope they can revert in future to the traditional labour leaders (Alf Bown and Jim Masters are good examples)who were moderate and cared about Swindon.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately as was pointed out above everything in business today is about profit and you cant afford to be "nice" or "moderate". The Council need better due diligence when choosing their partners as way too many rip them off again and again. And all politicians are in it for themselves these days and are elected more on the colour of their rosette than their ability, some people would rather vote for a monkey than "the other side" (and we wonder why democracy doesnt work). This is a real shame as the Oasis could and should be a facility we are proud of instead of something becoming a joke! house on the hill
  • Score: 17

2:32pm Tue 26 Aug 14

messyits says...

Do not despair as the knight in shining armour is on his way--and Cinderella will go to the ball.
Do not despair as the knight in shining armour is on his way--and Cinderella will go to the ball. messyits
  • Score: -9

3:18pm Tue 26 Aug 14

GroundhogDay says...

lolilovegolf wrote:
DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :(
No they didn't. Just the Oasis.
[quote][p][bold]lolilovegolf[/bold] wrote: DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :([/p][/quote]No they didn't. Just the Oasis. GroundhogDay
  • Score: 1

3:20pm Tue 26 Aug 14

GroundhogDay says...

lolilovegolf wrote:
DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :(
No they didn't. Just the Oasis.
[quote][p][bold]lolilovegolf[/bold] wrote: DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :([/p][/quote]No they didn't. Just the Oasis. GroundhogDay
  • Score: 1

3:32pm Tue 26 Aug 14

trolley dolley says...

The work on contracts is not done by the councillors but by the officers of the council.

They then recommend courses of action to be taken. This is where the councillors come in, many with no idea of business but with an ego big enough to sink the Titanic.

The fault in all this is the way we elect people of little ability, put them in charge of multi million pound projects and expect them to succeed.

Unless we start voting for people with proven track records in business and finance regardless of their political affiliation, we will end up with more "WiFi's".
The work on contracts is not done by the councillors but by the officers of the council. They then recommend courses of action to be taken. This is where the councillors come in, many with no idea of business but with an ego big enough to sink the Titanic. The fault in all this is the way we elect people of little ability, put them in charge of multi million pound projects and expect them to succeed. Unless we start voting for people with proven track records in business and finance regardless of their political affiliation, we will end up with more "WiFi's". trolley dolley
  • Score: 21

5:45pm Tue 26 Aug 14

beach1e says...

Well what a surprise this is.......or maybe not,,,this is further proof that this council is totally incompetant
Well what a surprise this is.......or maybe not,,,this is further proof that this council is totally incompetant beach1e
  • Score: 7

5:51pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Always Grumpy says...

Gosh, I bet no-one saw that coming!
Gosh, I bet no-one saw that coming! Always Grumpy
  • Score: 4

6:13pm Tue 26 Aug 14

GANGWARILY says...

Privatisation.... The government's preferred way forward. Separation from any future blame. When things go wrong, it's not their fault and we have to suffer the consequences.
Privatisation.... The government's preferred way forward. Separation from any future blame. When things go wrong, it's not their fault and we have to suffer the consequences. GANGWARILY
  • Score: 3

6:13pm Tue 26 Aug 14

lolilovegolf says...

GroundhogDay wrote:
lolilovegolf wrote:
DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :(
No they didn't. Just the Oasis.
THEY DID BUY THE LEASE OF ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON FROM THE BOROUGH COUNCIL!!! They didnt buy the golf courses though, twigmarket own them!
[quote][p][bold]GroundhogDay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lolilovegolf[/bold] wrote: DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :([/p][/quote]No they didn't. Just the Oasis.[/p][/quote]THEY DID BUY THE LEASE OF ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON FROM THE BOROUGH COUNCIL!!! They didnt buy the golf courses though, twigmarket own them! lolilovegolf
  • Score: 4

7:28pm Tue 26 Aug 14

MrAngry says...

lolilovegolf wrote:
GroundhogDay wrote:
lolilovegolf wrote:
DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :(
No they didn't. Just the Oasis.
THEY DID BUY THE LEASE OF ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON FROM THE BOROUGH COUNCIL!!! They didnt buy the golf courses though, twigmarket own them!
Greenwich Leisure (GLL) are taking on the leisure centres and Twigmarket are taking on golf.
[quote][p][bold]lolilovegolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GroundhogDay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lolilovegolf[/bold] wrote: DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :([/p][/quote]No they didn't. Just the Oasis.[/p][/quote]THEY DID BUY THE LEASE OF ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON FROM THE BOROUGH COUNCIL!!! They didnt buy the golf courses though, twigmarket own them![/p][/quote]Greenwich Leisure (GLL) are taking on the leisure centres and Twigmarket are taking on golf. MrAngry
  • Score: 4

7:51pm Tue 26 Aug 14

darrey80 says...

Unfortunately the council didn't do their homework. Morai had no capital in place and have a track record. Swindon business have been hit by Morai who've wound up a subsidiary company. Also the council made concessions on the original deal which gave Morai room for to manoeuvre which encouraged delay. The council have basically given away an asset and have nothing to show for it. That lease needs tearing up and a new serious partner able to take forward this massive scheme is needed, not some chancers.
Unfortunately the council didn't do their homework. Morai had no capital in place and have a track record. Swindon business have been hit by Morai who've wound up a subsidiary company. Also the council made concessions on the original deal which gave Morai room for to manoeuvre which encouraged delay. The council have basically given away an asset and have nothing to show for it. That lease needs tearing up and a new serious partner able to take forward this massive scheme is needed, not some chancers. darrey80
  • Score: 6

7:55pm Tue 26 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

trolley dolley wrote:
The work on contracts is not done by the councillors but by the officers of the council.

They then recommend courses of action to be taken. This is where the councillors come in, many with no idea of business but with an ego big enough to sink the Titanic.

The fault in all this is the way we elect people of little ability, put them in charge of multi million pound projects and expect them to succeed.

Unless we start voting for people with proven track records in business and finance regardless of their political affiliation, we will end up with more "WiFi's".
If it is officers of the Council doing the work that explains a lot as they have no clue. Still living in the past, most of them have never worked in a competitive business situation or if they have they weren't very good at it hence hiding in the public sector! They work for us too, why cant we vote them out when they waste our money again and again? The blind leading the blind clearly!
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: The work on contracts is not done by the councillors but by the officers of the council. They then recommend courses of action to be taken. This is where the councillors come in, many with no idea of business but with an ego big enough to sink the Titanic. The fault in all this is the way we elect people of little ability, put them in charge of multi million pound projects and expect them to succeed. Unless we start voting for people with proven track records in business and finance regardless of their political affiliation, we will end up with more "WiFi's".[/p][/quote]If it is officers of the Council doing the work that explains a lot as they have no clue. Still living in the past, most of them have never worked in a competitive business situation or if they have they weren't very good at it hence hiding in the public sector! They work for us too, why cant we vote them out when they waste our money again and again? The blind leading the blind clearly! house on the hill
  • Score: 2

9:39pm Tue 26 Aug 14

lolilovegolf says...

MrAngry wrote:
lolilovegolf wrote:
GroundhogDay wrote:
lolilovegolf wrote:
DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :(
No they didn't. Just the Oasis.
THEY DID BUY THE LEASE OF ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON FROM THE BOROUGH COUNCIL!!! They didnt buy the golf courses though, twigmarket own them!
Greenwich Leisure (GLL) are taking on the leisure centres and Twigmarket are taking on golf.
Yes thats exactly what I said!
[quote][p][bold]MrAngry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lolilovegolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GroundhogDay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lolilovegolf[/bold] wrote: DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :([/p][/quote]No they didn't. Just the Oasis.[/p][/quote]THEY DID BUY THE LEASE OF ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON FROM THE BOROUGH COUNCIL!!! They didnt buy the golf courses though, twigmarket own them![/p][/quote]Greenwich Leisure (GLL) are taking on the leisure centres and Twigmarket are taking on golf.[/p][/quote]Yes thats exactly what I said! lolilovegolf
  • Score: 0

10:29pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

"“There is a stipulation that if Moirai do not reach certain targets they can cancel the contract. ....."

Yeah.
Trouble is, Digital City didn't meet targets either.
Then Swindon Borough Clownschool still further "invested" our money.

Free WiFi anyone? 😜
"“There is a stipulation that if Moirai do not reach certain targets they can cancel the contract. ....." Yeah. Trouble is, Digital City didn't meet targets either. Then Swindon Borough Clownschool still further "invested" our money. Free WiFi anyone? 😜 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 2

10:40pm Tue 26 Aug 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

why cant the creditors go to the high court, obtain a lien court order, then they can remove any goods supplied which have not been paid for in a legal manner and moirai cant do anything about it and it would make a mess of the reception etc. also what does the lease hold variation agreement say about this, only about 5 councillors knew about that and surprise surprise nothing done, and they have the contract in writing..
INCOMPETENCE.....Don
't forget Mr Heehnan said that this so called firm had been checked out...........
why cant the creditors go to the high court, obtain a lien court order, then they can remove any goods supplied which have not been paid for in a legal manner and moirai cant do anything about it and it would make a mess of the reception etc. also what does the lease hold variation agreement say about this, only about 5 councillors knew about that and surprise surprise nothing done, and they have the contract in writing.. INCOMPETENCE.....Don 't forget Mr Heehnan said that this so called firm had been checked out........... FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: 3

11:19pm Tue 26 Aug 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

the leasehold variation document, which was known only to about 5 councillors, when signed, says in para 2.1.1 the following:
Removal of Swindon borough councils option to purchase back the oasis leisure centre if no development takes place.
So what is this article on about, as it is a load of rubbish. the council have signed it away and these nothing they can do....bit like wifi
the leasehold variation document, which was known only to about 5 councillors, when signed, says in para 2.1.1 the following: Removal of Swindon borough councils option to purchase back the oasis leisure centre if no development takes place. So what is this article on about, as it is a load of rubbish. the council have signed it away and these nothing they can do....bit like wifi FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: 4

8:40am Wed 27 Aug 14

mug? says...

darrey80 wrote:
Unfortunately the council didn't do their homework. Morai had no capital in place and have a track record. Swindon business have been hit by Morai who've wound up a subsidiary company. Also the council made concessions on the original deal which gave Morai room for to manoeuvre which encouraged delay. The council have basically given away an asset and have nothing to show for it. That lease needs tearing up and a new serious partner able to take forward this massive scheme is needed, not some chancers.
I expect they did do their homework, it's just that they aren't very good at it!
[quote][p][bold]darrey80[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the council didn't do their homework. Morai had no capital in place and have a track record. Swindon business have been hit by Morai who've wound up a subsidiary company. Also the council made concessions on the original deal which gave Morai room for to manoeuvre which encouraged delay. The council have basically given away an asset and have nothing to show for it. That lease needs tearing up and a new serious partner able to take forward this massive scheme is needed, not some chancers.[/p][/quote]I expect they did do their homework, it's just that they aren't very good at it! mug?
  • Score: 4

9:29am Wed 27 Aug 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

para 2.1.2, says removal of the obligation to build a minimum of 25,000 square ft of additional space on the Oasis leisure centre site....
these councillors are just walk over clowns....
para 2.1.2, says removal of the obligation to build a minimum of 25,000 square ft of additional space on the Oasis leisure centre site.... these councillors are just walk over clowns.... FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: 5

9:34am Wed 27 Aug 14

Heart1969 says...

lolilovegolf wrote:
MrAngry wrote:
lolilovegolf wrote:
GroundhogDay wrote:
lolilovegolf wrote:
DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :(
No they didn't. Just the Oasis.
THEY DID BUY THE LEASE OF ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON FROM THE BOROUGH COUNCIL!!! They didnt buy the golf courses though, twigmarket own them!
Greenwich Leisure (GLL) are taking on the leisure centres and Twigmarket are taking on golf.
Yes thats exactly what I said!
GLL and Moirai are completely separate companies, Moirai are the landlords of the Oasis and GLL are running it for them. GLL are a not for profit leisure provider and it is them that has taken the lease of the other Swindon leisure sites, thankfully the council were smart enough on this occasion not to let Moirai in on that deal! This is good news for the other swindon sites but unfortunately the Oasis is stuck with having to try and survive with the cowboy landlords until the council can man up and say they made a mistake and take it and the land opposite back from Moirai. Don't hold your breathe as then the council would have to pick up the tab for the much needed maintenance works that Moirai are supposed to be carrying out at the Oasis.
[quote][p][bold]lolilovegolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrAngry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lolilovegolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GroundhogDay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lolilovegolf[/bold] wrote: DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :([/p][/quote]No they didn't. Just the Oasis.[/p][/quote]THEY DID BUY THE LEASE OF ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON FROM THE BOROUGH COUNCIL!!! They didnt buy the golf courses though, twigmarket own them![/p][/quote]Greenwich Leisure (GLL) are taking on the leisure centres and Twigmarket are taking on golf.[/p][/quote]Yes thats exactly what I said![/p][/quote]GLL and Moirai are completely separate companies, Moirai are the landlords of the Oasis and GLL are running it for them. GLL are a not for profit leisure provider and it is them that has taken the lease of the other Swindon leisure sites, thankfully the council were smart enough on this occasion not to let Moirai in on that deal! This is good news for the other swindon sites but unfortunately the Oasis is stuck with having to try and survive with the cowboy landlords until the council can man up and say they made a mistake and take it and the land opposite back from Moirai. Don't hold your breathe as then the council would have to pick up the tab for the much needed maintenance works that Moirai are supposed to be carrying out at the Oasis. Heart1969
  • Score: 8

9:46am Wed 27 Aug 14

trolley dolley says...

Instead of blaming councillors, maybe someone could tell us what their officers recommended.

The officers are employed to give professional advice to councillors.

If this advice was unsound, then clearly the blame rests with the advisers.

As I said before, you cannot expect councillors who do not have the qualifications to make these business decisions to get it right on their own.

The Leader of the Council should come forward and answer the questions being asked.

It is his Cabinet where the buck stops.
Instead of blaming councillors, maybe someone could tell us what their officers recommended. The officers are employed to give professional advice to councillors. If this advice was unsound, then clearly the blame rests with the advisers. As I said before, you cannot expect councillors who do not have the qualifications to make these business decisions to get it right on their own. The Leader of the Council should come forward and answer the questions being asked. It is his Cabinet where the buck stops. trolley dolley
  • Score: 2

2:00pm Wed 27 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

trolley dolley wrote:
Instead of blaming councillors, maybe someone could tell us what their officers recommended.

The officers are employed to give professional advice to councillors.

If this advice was unsound, then clearly the blame rests with the advisers.

As I said before, you cannot expect councillors who do not have the qualifications to make these business decisions to get it right on their own.

The Leader of the Council should come forward and answer the questions being asked.

It is his Cabinet where the buck stops.
A very valid point but not just for the unqualified councillors but for the whole pay structure of the officers. In business you tend to get what you pay for. Many moan about what the chief exec gets paid, but people running successful businesses with a near £200million turnover with 1500 staff and 200,000 customers would be taking home a heck of a lot more than he does.

So in reality if we want a more efficient council we should be paying more in salaries for better people to make better and more cost effective decisions. Sadly with this being the public sector that isn't the way it works and why so much of it is a complete shambles!
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: Instead of blaming councillors, maybe someone could tell us what their officers recommended. The officers are employed to give professional advice to councillors. If this advice was unsound, then clearly the blame rests with the advisers. As I said before, you cannot expect councillors who do not have the qualifications to make these business decisions to get it right on their own. The Leader of the Council should come forward and answer the questions being asked. It is his Cabinet where the buck stops.[/p][/quote]A very valid point but not just for the unqualified councillors but for the whole pay structure of the officers. In business you tend to get what you pay for. Many moan about what the chief exec gets paid, but people running successful businesses with a near £200million turnover with 1500 staff and 200,000 customers would be taking home a heck of a lot more than he does. So in reality if we want a more efficient council we should be paying more in salaries for better people to make better and more cost effective decisions. Sadly with this being the public sector that isn't the way it works and why so much of it is a complete shambles! house on the hill
  • Score: 2

5:38pm Wed 27 Aug 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

Heart 1969, if you read that variation document, it is not possible for the council to take back the oasis or the land on the other side, its been signed away, like the wifi deal, money lost..... and after a period of time, they can say its not viable and apply to build something else there like the golf courses etc....
Heart 1969, if you read that variation document, it is not possible for the council to take back the oasis or the land on the other side, its been signed away, like the wifi deal, money lost..... and after a period of time, they can say its not viable and apply to build something else there like the golf courses etc.... FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: 0

8:32pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Swindon Borough Clownschool strikes again 😝
Swindon Borough Clownschool strikes again 😝 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: -3

10:02pm Wed 27 Aug 14

6degreessouth says...

Nuke the council. Oh that feels better.
Nuke the council. Oh that feels better. 6degreessouth
  • Score: 0

1:22am Thu 28 Aug 14

george1969 says...

lolilovegolf wrote:
GroundhogDay wrote:
lolilovegolf wrote:
DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :(
No they didn't. Just the Oasis.
THEY DID BUY THE LEASE OF ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON FROM THE BOROUGH COUNCIL!!! They didnt buy the golf courses though, twigmarket own them!
No they didn't. GLL who run the Oasis are going to run the rest of the leisure provision in Swindon excluding the golf etc. Moirai are being avoided at all costs!
[quote][p][bold]lolilovegolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GroundhogDay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lolilovegolf[/bold] wrote: DONT GET ME WRONG!! BUT DIDN'T MORAI BUY ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON!! OH DEAR!!! :([/p][/quote]No they didn't. Just the Oasis.[/p][/quote]THEY DID BUY THE LEASE OF ALL THE LEISURE FACILITIES IN SWINDON FROM THE BOROUGH COUNCIL!!! They didnt buy the golf courses though, twigmarket own them![/p][/quote]No they didn't. GLL who run the Oasis are going to run the rest of the leisure provision in Swindon excluding the golf etc. Moirai are being avoided at all costs! george1969
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