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Residents speak out against Muslim centre
11:10am Monday 20th April 2009
MANY Gorse Hill residents say plans to turn a former working men’s club into a meeting place for Muslims will do more harm than good in their community.
They fear the transformation of the Chapel Street club, which was built in the 1880s, will cause traffic problems and an increase in noise.
It is predicted up to 80 people wanting to pray will be present for a 45-minute period on a Friday – the rest of the week will see significantly reduced numbers.
Under plans outlined at a public meeting attended by more than 100 people on Friday night, the Al Habib Islamic Centre, which bought the building for £440,000, hopes to turn it into a prayer hall, Islamic library and conference facility with dance floor.
So far the group has received 260 objections to their proposals which are still going through the planning phase at Swindon Council.
“I think you’ll find that 90 per cent of residents in Gorse Hill don’t want this,” said 37-year-old resident Jim Will.
“Parking is bad enough and you can see the problems when people park here during Swindon Town games as there are so little spaces around.
“We have a school, a church and a community centre already so having this doesn’t make sense.”
Pete Doré, who represented a number of businesses in the area, said: “The more people who come in to use the building will take up parking spaces of those who want to shop here.
“No one wants to see it hurt local businesses.”
There are currently 5,000 Muslims living in Swindon, many of whom have lived in the area since the 1960s.
Al Habib trustee Muneer Ahmed, who led the public presentation, said: “This building is for multi-purpose use for the whole community – anyone can use it.
“The dance hall will have a sprung floor and a number of clubs and societies have already contacted us expressing an interest in meeting for music and drama practice.
“Many people will walk here, others will get the bus or cycle like I did today.
“We are also planning for a minibus to drop people off and pick people up. We hope to be given the go ahead for planning by July.”
The group was also behind a failed bid to open an Islamic faith school in north Swindon.
Coun Maurice Fanning (Lab, Gorse Hill and Pinehurst, said: “It’s important to have a public meeting to dispel any fears.
“It is right the community learns what is being planned so there are no Chinese whispers.”
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silvergran, Swindon says...
12:02pm Mon 20 Apr 09
Khan Saab, says...
12:27pm Mon 20 Apr 09
Parking. Hmm, where did patrons of the WMC park before it went bankrupt? Don’t say they were all local – I know people as far away as Farringdon who used to use these facilities.
nuddy2, says...
12:31pm Mon 20 Apr 09
So where have users and hirers of the club parked their cars in say the last 50 years or so?
nansview, Swindon says...
12:45pm Mon 20 Apr 09
tibbie, swindon says...
1:42pm Mon 20 Apr 09
Terence, Swindon says...
2:21pm Mon 20 Apr 09
tibbie wrote:Should the former working men's club be left derelict with boarded up windows?
no, leave gorse hill alone we have a school a church and a community centre don't spoil it just leave gorse hill as it is with the local businesses
tibbie, swindon says...
2:37pm Mon 20 Apr 09
Terence wrote:use the old gorse hill club for other ways and means but don't kill what gorse hill already has
tibbie wrote: no, leave gorse hill alone we have a school a church and a community centre don't spoil it just leave gorse hill as it is with the local businessesShould the former working men's club be left derelict with boarded up windows?
Robh, Swindon says...
2:51pm Mon 20 Apr 09
Jock Strap, Truss says...
2:54pm Mon 20 Apr 09
Robh wrote:c'mon Rob -we're talking about little old Ferndale rd that was shut off to through traffic eons ago! Can't believe the parking issue is that relevant
Parking is the problem. Although there is parking within easy walking distance they probably won't use it. They don't in Broad Street.
Khan Saab, says...
3:21pm Mon 20 Apr 09
tibbie wrote:From what I have read - this oraganisation has brought the club with their own money. If you wanted to "use the club for other ways and means" maybe you should have put your money where your mouth is and brought it?
Terence wrote:use the old gorse hill club for other ways and means but don't kill what gorse hill already hastibbie wrote: no, leave gorse hill alone we have a school a church and a community centre don't spoil it just leave gorse hill as it is with the local businessesShould the former working men's club be left derelict with boarded up windows?
No offence, but talk is cheap.
The Librarian says Oook, Swindon says...
4:03pm Mon 20 Apr 09
Then maybe Britain will be Great again
A misunderstanding common to those who don’t know much.
The word “Great,” in the title “Great Britain,” doesn’t mean ‘fantastic,’ it means a region, as in ‘Greater Manchester,’ or ‘Greater London.’
cfa, newcastle says...
4:08pm Mon 20 Apr 09
The Librarian says Oook wrote:Great to know that.
IRofE, Swindon says... Then maybe Britain will be Great again A misunderstanding common to those who don’t know much. The word “Great,” in the title “Great Britain,” doesn’t mean ‘fantastic,’ it means a region, as in ‘Greater Manchester,’ or ‘Greater London.’
tibbie, swindon says...
4:26pm Mon 20 Apr 09
IRofE, Swindon says...
4:43pm Mon 20 Apr 09
The Librarian says Oook wrote:Actually, you think you know but you do not
IRofE, Swindon says... Then maybe Britain will be Great again A misunderstanding common to those who don’t know much. The word “Great,” in the title “Great Britain,” doesn’t mean ‘fantastic,’ it means a region, as in ‘Greater Manchester,’ or ‘Greater London.’
It is called Great because there is a little one :
Brittany in France (the french called it bretagne, UK is called Grande Bretagne)
If you bring facts into a conversation, get it right and do not talk about something you have no idea about.
ListenToReason, Swindon Metropolitan Area says...
9:19pm Mon 20 Apr 09
Bobby Bee, swindon says...
11:00pm Mon 20 Apr 09
I have visited it and it is a lovely place.
I can see no problem with the Muslim Centre as long as everyone doesn't individually come by car.
Gorse Hill is near enough Broad Street for many people to walk.
Bobby Bee, swindon says...
11:02pm Mon 20 Apr 09
Jock Strap, Truss says...
6:55am Tue 21 Apr 09
Purlieu, Swindon says...
7:19am Tue 21 Apr 09
Whether you like muslims as a group or not, whether you trust them or not, whether you approve or not, surely it would be sensible and prudent to see what the outcome is before passing 'judgement' since pre-judging any situation is surely the act of a closed mind.
Opinionated Wench, Swindon says...
8:41am Tue 21 Apr 09
smartcabman, swindon says...
8:48am Tue 21 Apr 09
This has nothing to do with racism.
Home Boy, Swindon says...
8:53am Tue 21 Apr 09
smartcabman wrote:Please don't try and pass off your opinion as if it applies to the entire population!
Who cares abut the space for parking. It has nothing to do with that. We English do not want more places for Muslims in swindon.
I'm "English" and would be quite happy with a community hall near me being used in this way, in fact, in the case of an abandoned building like this I would actively support it. I would be absolutely appalled if other locals that lived near by were against it only on the grounds of religion.
mpb, Swindon says...
9:20am Tue 21 Apr 09
smartcabman, swindon says...
9:28am Tue 21 Apr 09
mpb wrote:Well put mpb. I live in gorse hill as well and it is becoming a S??t hole. And I dont think this muslim centre will help the area. As for you home boy lets stick it outside your front door and see if your ok with it...
I live in gorse hill and experience the traffic and parking issues on a day to day basis. although AHIC bought the building, i dont know why they dont just use/extend their mosque nearby? Having all the Muslims in one place at one time could also cause unwanted attention from non-muslims (if you know what i mean). I belive that Gorse Hill does need some form of rejuvination but with the economy as it is now and other places cropping up around Swindon, I dont think it will get the attention it deserves.
Home Boy, Swindon says...
10:28am Tue 21 Apr 09
smartcabman wrote:Outside my front door? I think I'd rather have that than a working men's club outside my front door. And I also think, due to their willingness to hire out the building to local societies, it will add more to the local economy than the Baptist Church just down the road. I don't see anyone complaining about having all the Baptists in one place at one time!
mpb wrote:Well put mpb. I live in gorse hill as well and it is becoming a S??t hole. And I dont think this muslim centre will help the area. As for you home boy lets stick it outside your front door and see if your ok with it...
I live in gorse hill and experience the traffic and parking issues on a day to day basis. although AHIC bought the building, i dont know why they dont just use/extend their mosque nearby? Having all the Muslims in one place at one time could also cause unwanted attention from non-muslims (if you know what i mean). I belive that Gorse Hill does need some form of rejuvination but with the economy as it is now and other places cropping up around Swindon, I dont think it will get the attention it deserves.
bigbossman, swindon says...
11:11am Tue 21 Apr 09
would you have the same opinion if someone close to you would have dies in the 7/7 attacks?
grumper, chiseldon says...
11:14am Tue 21 Apr 09
smartcabman wrote:Well said!
mpb wrote: I live in gorse hill and experience the traffic and parking issues on a day to day basis. although AHIC bought the building, i dont know why they dont just use/extend their mosque nearby? Having all the Muslims in one place at one time could also cause unwanted attention from non-muslims (if you know what i mean). I belive that Gorse Hill does need some form of rejuvination but with the economy as it is now and other places cropping up around Swindon, I dont think it will get the attention it deserves.Well put mpb. I live in gorse hill as well and it is becoming a S??t hole. And I dont think this muslim centre will help the area. As for you home boy lets stick it outside your front door and see if your ok with it...
attiq mahmood, swindon says...
11:16am Tue 21 Apr 09
Local communities and bussineses will get benefits by muslims activities in the area, there will be no parking problems in Gorse Hill as there are two other mosques in the broad street area, which will also be used by a large number of Muslims.
Home Boy, Swindon says...
11:27am Tue 21 Apr 09
bigbossman wrote:I would imagine your post will be removed any minute. Comparing a group of local Muslims wishing to pray in Gorse Hill to the terrorists who enacted the 7/7 attacks is unbelievable.
Homeboy
would you have the same opinion if someone close to you would have dies in the 7/7 attacks?
Would you apply the same arguement to an Irish pub or a Catholic Church?
The Librarian says Oook, Swindon says...
11:46am Tue 21 Apr 09
11:16am Tue 21 Apr 09
My views on ex wmclub gorse hill is that gorse hill residents should not get any sort of fears, because muslims are very peace loving and law abiding people.
If you had used the word “most,” then your statement would be true. e.g.
“Most Muslims are peaceful and law abiding.”
Unfortunately surveys have consistently shown that 7% of UK Muslims support terrorist attacks, both in this country and against our allies. Given there are 1.6 million Muslims in the UK that equates to 210,000 people who are not peaceful and law abiding.
Note for the Adver. This is a factual statement based on research and therefore does not qualify to be removed.
The Librarian says Oook, Swindon says...
11:48am Tue 21 Apr 09
The Librarian says Oook wrote:I am sorry, I mis-typed. That is 112,000 people.
attiq mahmood, swindon says... 11:16am Tue 21 Apr 09 My views on ex wmclub gorse hill is that gorse hill residents should not get any sort of fears, because muslims are very peace loving and law abiding people. If you had used the word “most,” then your statement would be true. e.g. “Most Muslims are peaceful and law abiding.” Unfortunately surveys have consistently shown that 7% of UK Muslims support terrorist attacks, both in this country and against our allies. Given there are 1.6 million Muslims in the UK that equates to 210,000 people who are not peaceful and law abiding. Note for the Adver. This is a factual statement based on research and therefore does not qualify to be removed.
Chrisg46, Swindon says...
12:18pm Tue 21 Apr 09
The Librarian says Oook wrote:Can you please conduct similar research on what percentage of NI catholics/Protestant
attiq mahmood, swindon says... 11:16am Tue 21 Apr 09 My views on ex wmclub gorse hill is that gorse hill residents should not get any sort of fears, because muslims are very peace loving and law abiding people. If you had used the word “most,” then your statement would be true. e.g. “Most Muslims are peaceful and law abiding.” Unfortunately surveys have consistently shown that 7% of UK Muslims support terrorist attacks, both in this country and against our allies. Given there are 1.6 million Muslims in the UK that equates to 210,000 people who are not peaceful and law abiding. Note for the Adver. This is a factual statement based on research and therefore does not qualify to be removed.
ssupported IRA/UDF etc violence? We can then use that to argue against local church halls.
Why should a vast majority (up to 93%) of muslims be lumped in with the lunatics that every religion has?
As for the questions of how muslims would be unhappy with a strip club dumped in their area, have you seen the outrage that is vented wherever a strip club is opened?
Lastly, Bigbossman, your comment there has cut to the chase of this whole discussion. It is indeed not about parking or congestion, it is about ill-informed people believing the 24/Spooks stereotype of the "evil Muslim". And i say this as someone who lost an ex colleague to the Taliban last year.
IRofE, Swindon says...
1:28pm Tue 21 Apr 09
The Librarian says Oook wrote:I do not really think that Britain has anything advice to give about peace.
The Librarian says Oook wrote: attiq mahmood, swindon says... 11:16am Tue 21 Apr 09 My views on ex wmclub gorse hill is that gorse hill residents should not get any sort of fears, because muslims are very peace loving and law abiding people. If you had used the word “most,” then your statement would be true. e.g. “Most Muslims are peaceful and law abiding.” Unfortunately surveys have consistently shown that 7% of UK Muslims support terrorist attacks, both in this country and against our allies. Given there are 1.6 million Muslims in the UK that equates to 210,000 people who are not peaceful and law abiding. Note for the Adver. This is a factual statement based on research and therefore does not qualify to be removed.I am sorry, I mis-typed. That is 112,000 people.
If I remember well during the Boer War, the British invented the Concentration camps.
That is only one little example in one country, I could bring you many other examples of "peaceful British colonisation" that could make you go off your tea for sometime!
The Librarian says Oook, Swindon says...
1:36pm Tue 21 Apr 09
Chrisg46 wrote:Only an idiot would argue that IRA violence was in the same league as Islamic terrorism.
The Librarian says Oook wrote: attiq mahmood, swindon says... 11:16am Tue 21 Apr 09 My views on ex wmclub gorse hill is that gorse hill residents should not get any sort of fears, because muslims are very peace loving and law abiding people. If you had used the word “most,” then your statement would be true. e.g. “Most Muslims are peaceful and law abiding.” Unfortunately surveys have consistently shown that 7% of UK Muslims support terrorist attacks, both in this country and against our allies. Given there are 1.6 million Muslims in the UK that equates to 210,000 people who are not peaceful and law abiding. Note for the Adver. This is a factual statement based on research and therefore does not qualify to be removed.Can you please conduct similar research on what percentage of NI catholics/Protestant ssupported IRA/UDF etc violence? We can then use that to argue against local church halls. Why should a vast majority (up to 93%) of muslims be lumped in with the lunatics that every religion has? As for the questions of how muslims would be unhappy with a strip club dumped in their area, have you seen the outrage that is vented wherever a strip club is opened? Lastly, Bigbossman, your comment there has cut to the chase of this whole discussion. It is indeed not about parking or congestion, it is about ill-informed people believing the 24/Spooks stereotype of the "evil Muslim". And i say this as someone who lost an ex colleague to the Taliban last year.
The IRA tended to give phone warnings, mainly attacked military targets and never to my knowledge strapped explosives to the bodies of children and sent them to die in suicide attacks on buses.
Chrisg46, Swindon says...
1:38pm Tue 21 Apr 09
IRofE wrote:Actually, we just used the term "concentration camp" first. American in origin, the first were for Native Americans in the 1830's, in Cuba (1860's) and the Phillipines (1890's).
The Librarian says Oook wrote:I do not really think that Britain has anything advice to give about peace. If I remember well during the Boer War, the British invented the Concentration camps. That is only one little example in one country, I could bring you many other examples of "peaceful British colonisation" that could make you go off your tea for sometime!The Librarian says Oook wrote: attiq mahmood, swindon says... 11:16am Tue 21 Apr 09 My views on ex wmclub gorse hill is that gorse hill residents should not get any sort of fears, because muslims are very peace loving and law abiding people. If you had used the word “most,” then your statement would be true. e.g. “Most Muslims are peaceful and law abiding.” Unfortunately surveys have consistently shown that 7% of UK Muslims support terrorist attacks, both in this country and against our allies. Given there are 1.6 million Muslims in the UK that equates to 210,000 people who are not peaceful and law abiding. Note for the Adver. This is a factual statement based on research and therefore does not qualify to be removed.I am sorry, I mis-typed. That is 112,000 people.
Chrisg46, Swindon says...
2:02pm Tue 21 Apr 09
The Librarian says Oook wrote:Good, though irrelevant, point. The fact is that they would still bomb or shoot civilians (of the 3000 plus dead, less than 700 were from security forces), quite often sending conflicting, leading or just plain wrong warnings of their devices. However, i do fully agree that Islamic terrorism is a more lethal threat than IRA.
Chrisg46 wrote:Only an idiot would argue that IRA violence was in the same league as Islamic terrorism. The IRA tended to give phone warnings, mainly attacked military targets and never to my knowledge strapped explosives to the bodies of children and sent them to die in suicide attacks on buses.The Librarian says Oook wrote: attiq mahmood, swindon says... 11:16am Tue 21 Apr 09 My views on ex wmclub gorse hill is that gorse hill residents should not get any sort of fears, because muslims are very peace loving and law abiding people. If you had used the word “most,” then your statement would be true. e.g. “Most Muslims are peaceful and law abiding.” Unfortunately surveys have consistently shown that 7% of UK Muslims support terrorist attacks, both in this country and against our allies. Given there are 1.6 million Muslims in the UK that equates to 210,000 people who are not peaceful and law abiding. Note for the Adver. This is a factual statement based on research and therefore does not qualify to be removed.Can you please conduct similar research on what percentage of NI catholics/Protestant ssupported IRA/UDF etc violence? We can then use that to argue against local church halls. Why should a vast majority (up to 93%) of muslims be lumped in with the lunatics that every religion has? As for the questions of how muslims would be unhappy with a strip club dumped in their area, have you seen the outrage that is vented wherever a strip club is opened? Lastly, Bigbossman, your comment there has cut to the chase of this whole discussion. It is indeed not about parking or congestion, it is about ill-informed people believing the 24/Spooks stereotype of the "evil Muslim". And i say this as someone who lost an ex colleague to the Taliban last year.
Anyway, thats not the point. Your own stats prove that only a tiny minority support terrorism. Why should the VAST majority be lumped in with the psychos? It is as illogical as suggesting any all Irishmen have an urge to leave bombs in pubs.
The crux of the matter is that people seem to be tarring all muslims with the same brush. For the difference, look up Islamist on google.
IRofE, Swindon says...
2:18pm Tue 21 Apr 09
Chrisg46 wrote:wrong my little one, they were called Reserves
IRofE wrote:Actually, we just used the term "concentration camp" first. American in origin, the first were for Native Americans in the 1830's, in Cuba (1860's) and the Phillipines (1890's).The Librarian says Oook wrote:I do not really think that Britain has anything advice to give about peace. If I remember well during the Boer War, the British invented the Concentration camps. That is only one little example in one country, I could bring you many other examples of "peaceful British colonisation" that could make you go off your tea for sometime!The Librarian says Oook wrote: attiq mahmood, swindon says... 11:16am Tue 21 Apr 09 My views on ex wmclub gorse hill is that gorse hill residents should not get any sort of fears, because muslims are very peace loving and law abiding people. If you had used the word “most,” then your statement would be true. e.g. “Most Muslims are peaceful and law abiding.” Unfortunately surveys have consistently shown that 7% of UK Muslims support terrorist attacks, both in this country and against our allies. Given there are 1.6 million Muslims in the UK that equates to 210,000 people who are not peaceful and law abiding. Note for the Adver. This is a factual statement based on research and therefore does not qualify to be removed.I am sorry, I mis-typed. That is 112,000 people.
If you talk about something get the facts right.
Chrisg46, Swindon says...
3:47pm Tue 21 Apr 09
IRofE wrote:I did, Reserves is what they are called now. Back then, they were called Reconcentration Camps.
Chrisg46 wrote:wrong my little one, they were called Reserves If you talk about something get the facts right.IRofE wrote:Actually, we just used the term "concentration camp" first. American in origin, the first were for Native Americans in the 1830's, in Cuba (1860's) and the Phillipines (1890's).The Librarian says Oook wrote:I do not really think that Britain has anything advice to give about peace. If I remember well during the Boer War, the British invented the Concentration camps. That is only one little example in one country, I could bring you many other examples of "peaceful British colonisation" that could make you go off your tea for sometime!The Librarian says Oook wrote: attiq mahmood, swindon says... 11:16am Tue 21 Apr 09 My views on ex wmclub gorse hill is that gorse hill residents should not get any sort of fears, because muslims are very peace loving and law abiding people. If you had used the word “most,” then your statement would be true. e.g. “Most Muslims are peaceful and law abiding.” Unfortunately surveys have consistently shown that 7% of UK Muslims support terrorist attacks, both in this country and against our allies. Given there are 1.6 million Muslims in the UK that equates to 210,000 people who are not peaceful and law abiding. Note for the Adver. This is a factual statement based on research and therefore does not qualify to be removed.I am sorry, I mis-typed. That is 112,000 people.
They became Reserves in the 1860's.
Purlieu, Swindon says...
3:59pm Tue 21 Apr 09
Look up Fort Cass in 1838 where the Cherokees were kept, that was very much not a 'Reserve'
... from one who tries to get his facts right
The Librarian says Oook, Swindon says...
4:20pm Tue 21 Apr 09
Chrisg46 wrote:
The Librarian says Oook wrote:Good, though irrelevant, point. The fact is that they would still bomb or shoot civilians (of the 3000 plus dead, less than 700 were from security forces), quite often sending conflicting, leading or just plain wrong warnings of their devices. However, i do fully agree that Islamic terrorism is a more lethal threat than IRA. Anyway, thats not the point. Your own stats prove that only a tiny minority support terrorism. Why should the VAST majority be lumped in with the psychos? It is as illogical as suggesting any all Irishmen have an urge to leave bombs in pubs. The crux of the matter is that people seem to be tarring all muslims with the same brush. For the difference, look up Islamist on google.Chrisg46 wrote:Only an idiot would argue that IRA violence was in the same league as Islamic terrorism. The IRA tended to give phone warnings, mainly attacked military targets and never to my knowledge strapped explosives to the bodies of children and sent them to die in suicide attacks on buses.The Librarian says Oook wrote: attiq mahmood, swindon says... 11:16am Tue 21 Apr 09 My views on ex wmclub gorse hill is that gorse hill residents should not get any sort of fears, because muslims are very peace loving and law abiding people. If you had used the word “most,” then your statement would be true. e.g. “Most Muslims are peaceful and law abiding.” Unfortunately surveys have consistently shown that 7% of UK Muslims support terrorist attacks, both in this country and against our allies. Given there are 1.6 million Muslims in the UK that equates to 210,000 people who are not peaceful and law abiding. Note for the Adver. This is a factual statement based on research and therefore does not qualify to be removed.Can you please conduct similar research on what percentage of NI catholics/Protestant ssupported IRA/UDF etc violence? We can then use that to argue against local church halls. Why should a vast majority (up to 93%) of muslims be lumped in with the lunatics that every religion has? As for the questions of how muslims would be unhappy with a strip club dumped in their area, have you seen the outrage that is vented wherever a strip club is opened? Lastly, Bigbossman, your comment there has cut to the chase of this whole discussion. It is indeed not about parking or congestion, it is about ill-informed people believing the 24/Spooks stereotype of the "evil Muslim". And i say this as someone who lost an ex colleague to the Taliban last year.
I worry about the idea that this country contains at least 112,000 people who actively support terrorist action here and in the US. They may be a minority but that is still a significant number.
Why should the vast majority be lumped in with the extremists? Because they almost never condemn what the extremists do. They make excuses. They blame the US. they blame Israel. They blame almost anyone they can, but they almost never condemn their extremists in their midst.
One of the many reasons I dislike the Islamic religion.
bigbossman, swindon says...
4:53pm Tue 21 Apr 09
I have not compared Muslims wishing to pray in Gorse Hill to those who carried out the 7/7 attacks.
I asked you a question which you did not answer.
I have not said all muslims are terrorists or anything like that. I simply asked a question.
Home Boy, Swindon says...
4:58pm Tue 21 Apr 09
P S Altery, Compton Bassett says...
11:29pm Tue 21 Apr 09
Grad, Swindon says...
3:26pm Thu 23 Apr 09
If the planning permission had said 'community centre' as opposed to muslim worship would so many people object? Gauging from the comments on here I think not. Pure and utter racism. I'm disgusted and actually feel delighted that I don't live in Gorse Hill, not because it will have a muslim worship centre in, but because a proportion of the local residents that have made themselves known on here and through their objectiosn and are clearly NOT the type of person a decent human would want to live with.
Wkpukumu, London says...
9:29pm Tue 28 Apr 09
As at now, even those who feign to condemn them, do so in a lukewarm way.
I look forard to the day when Christians can go to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc, & buy up unused buildings to build churches in small village-like communities....! ! !
The former Gorse Hill Working Men’s Club which could become a Muslim centre
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The Librarian says Oook, Swindon says...
12:02pm Mon 20 Apr 09
I wonder if a few keep-fit organisers could validate this by attempting to book the space for women to bounce around in skimpy clothing and see if this is acceptable. I bet it wouldn't be.