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Feal-Martinez stands down as UKIP chairman
4:00pm Thursday 10th September 2009 in
HEALTH problems and concerns over political direction have led the leader of Swindon’s UK Independence Party to stand down.
Robert Feal-Martinez has resigned as chairman of the Swindon UKIP group and as prospective parliamentary candidate for South Swindon.
Local Conservatives have admitted they would welcome discussions with Mr Feal-Martinez if he decided to change parties.
The landlord of South Marston pub, the Carpenters Arms, had an operation on his eye last year and has also recently been diagnosed as having diabetes.
He said his resignation had sparked feelings both of relief and sadness.
“I am disappointed to have to step down but with my health problems I had to make a decision on where my energies should be best directed,” he said.
“I have to put my business first, especially in this difficult time for the economy.”
Mr Feal-Martinez admitted he disagreed with certain decisions by UKIP nationally.
He said: “The party is still committed to leaving Europe but there seems to be an opinion that if we could do a deal to achieve that then fine.
“Essentially if someone like Justin Tomlinson (Tory candidate for Swindon North) or Robert Buckland (Tory candidate for Swindon South) supported an ‘out’ vote we would not stand in their way.
“I do not agree that our own members should be sidelined in that way.”
Coun Justin Tomlinson said Mr Feal-Martinez’s resignation would be a huge blow to UKIP and that he would be a welcome addition to the Conservative Party.
He said: “Bob is someone I have worked with over a number of years and, while I don’t agree with him 100 per cent of the time, I think he has much to offer.”
South Swindon MP Anne Snelgrove said: “This just goes to show that UKIP is in real trouble in Swindon and I’m not surprised that Robert has found it necessary to stand down.
“I wish him well in recovering from his health problems and I’m sure he will continue to be a big presence in Swindon, particularly in the blogosphere.”
Mr Feal-Martinez confirmed that he would continue to comment regularly on the Swindon Advertiser’s website.
He said: “I’m sure I will get some stick on the comments but I have my say and I can handle criticism.”
If you have got a view, then please leave your comment below. However, the Swindon Advertiser would caution all posters to be aware of the terms and conditions of the website which states that users must not post material which is defamatory, offensive, or of an obscene or menacing character.We welcome constructive and informed debate, and we will take action against any poster who abuses these terms. The poster will be liable for any legal claim from a third party.
Comments(88)
Ankh
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4:08pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Blogosphere....hahah
ahahah. Shes right though Bobby, you could spend even MORE time on here now...How wonderful.
Mr Blackwell
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4:10pm Thu 10 Sep 09
It may come as a shock, Anne, but there is only one party in real trouble in Swindon and that's Labour.
And it's not just Swindon, thankfully. Nine months and your government is history.
yeti
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4:11pm Thu 10 Sep 09
snailgrove's comment beggars belief.ukip are on the up with labour in rapid decline you daft party line towing sheep!
Alistair F
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4:36pm Thu 10 Sep 09
I didn't agree with everything Robert had to say, but I wish him well.
Casual Observer
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5:15pm Thu 10 Sep 09
vics mum
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5:24pm Thu 10 Sep 09
With him as the prospective MP I,d have voted BNP.
Now we need someone with half a brain, to say they can do the job of running this town for us in the house of idiots.
Always Grumpy
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5:41pm Thu 10 Sep 09
vics mum wrote:That won't be you then?
I personally glad he,s going.
With him as the prospective MP I,d have voted BNP.
Now we need someone with half a brain, to say they can do the job of running this town for us in the house of idiots.
Scott Thunes
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5:54pm Thu 10 Sep 09
vics mum
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5:55pm Thu 10 Sep 09
vics mum
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6:10pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Looks like they also want the money but dont want to do anything for it.
yeti
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6:27pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Robh
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6:29pm Thu 10 Sep 09
However she makes a better comment than Snelgrove. Have Labour MP's really got stoop that low. Are they really at such a loss of anything sensible to say. Surely Gordon Brown should recognise these failings and call an election.
It really puzzles me how a bastion of democracy can be run by a government with such little support. In many other countries there would be riots and demonstrations in the streets.
Bobfm
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6:30pm Thu 10 Sep 09
I thank Justin for his kind comments, but as I have discussed with him on a number of occasions, I do not believe David Cameron speaks the truth over the EU.
I obvisously expected abuse from some, so I ws not disappointed.
Always Grumpy
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6:32pm Thu 10 Sep 09
vics mum wrote:Where do you think I live then?
Nor you, atleast I live here
vics mum
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6:38pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Always Grumpy wrote:I dunno cause I cant think of anywere you belong
vics mum wrote: Nor you, atleast I live hereWhere do you think I live then?
john c
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7:20pm Thu 10 Sep 09
PaulD
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7:30pm Thu 10 Sep 09
vics mum wrote:I love this stupid attitude.
I personally glad he,s going.
With him as the prospective MP I,d have voted BNP.
Now we need someone with half a brain, to say they can do the job of running this town for us in the house of idiots.
It's essentially "I can't have what I want so I will spite everybody"
you utter moron.
As for you Bob - all the best!
itsamess
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7:37pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Nice to see there has been no real animosity to you on here on this occasion. Sit back and relax a while--life is to valuable to waste and i think deep down you probably know your party is not going anywhere fast. We cannot judge them as they have never been in any position to alter things in this town or country--nor europe. Thats from someone who has no political preferences. Let us hope that the good folk of Swindon take the chance to vote out the current MPs--not because they are Labour--purely because they have let Swindon down. Whoever gets voted in must step up to the mark and work to improve everything there is wrong with this failing place Look forward to some lively debate in the future.
Old Town
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7:47pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Unfortunately some (vic's mum) are clearly too stupid to get this and seem to go around thinking personal jibes, insults and general complaining will get them somewhere in this world - can I just point out that all you do is make yourself look about 6 years old, and everyone thinks you are a bit of a joke.....
Mum's The Word
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8:49pm Thu 10 Sep 09
I admire Bob's principals and dedication very much. He has worked tirelessly on behalf of UKIP in Swindon and it will be one huge loss to the party. Whilst I don't always agree with Bob's opinions, I always enjoy debating with him. He is a true gentlemen and has never resulted to mud slinging in order to get his point across.
Bob I do hope that your health improves as does your business, despite the current economic situation. I look forward to reading lots more of your comments here.
FlowerPower
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9:51pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Rarely agree with you Bob, in fact sometimes you really wind me up, but you stand by your principles, and for that you have my deepest respect!! Good luck in getting your health and your business back on track, and heres to many more debates :D
Anne Snelgrove shows herself yet again to be a pathetic, petty minded idiot. Roll on next May Grrrr
ifuwantblood
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10:13pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Jock Strap
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10:55pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Always Grumpy wrote:You swine AG!! Beat me to it -only thing I can say is I think the name"Vic's Mum is a typo! It should definitely read THICK'S MUM!!
vics mum wrote: I personally glad he,s going. With him as the prospective MP I,d have voted BNP. Now we need someone with half a brain, to say they can do the job of running this town for us in the house of idiots.That won't be you then?
Jock Strap
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10:59pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Captain Sensible
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11:30pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Mr Blackwell
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7:51am Fri 11 Sep 09
Old Town
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8:36am Fri 11 Sep 09
They - in my humble opinion - stand for everything that has gone WRONG with this country over the past 20 years....
Their racist policies are vile to me - and luckily to the majority of the Britsh people (whether those British people happen to be Black, White, Yellow, Brown, Blue, Purple or Red)!
Just a very small blot on the political landscape that will be wiped away soon enough .....
Ian13
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8:40am Fri 11 Sep 09
Steve Halden
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8:56am Fri 11 Sep 09
He was a one off. A man that really worked hard for what he believed in.
Hope you health improves with rest.
Kineasy
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9:03am Fri 11 Sep 09
PaulD wrote:Tactical voting and protest voting does not make you stupid or an utter moron. It indicates that you have given the matter some thought and used your vote democratically.
vics mum wrote: I personally glad he,s going. With him as the prospective MP I,d have voted BNP. Now we need someone with half a brain, to say they can do the job of running this town for us in the house of idiots.I love this stupid attitude. It's essentially "I can't have what I want so I will spite everybody" you utter moron. As for you Bob - all the best!
Of course you could vote as your parents did or just not bother to vote at all.
I do not think calling people morons, stupid and idiots forms any part of a constructive and informed debate. Possibly the last refuge of the intellectually challenged.
I Wish you well Bob, and hope the business picks up soon.
Greg L-W.
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9:14am Fri 11 Sep 09
Mr Blackwell wrote:Hi,
Why is it that supposedly grown adults can never write or speak the letters B N P without putting the word 'vile' in front of them. It's all very bizarre - like one HAS to make sure it's cleaer that one holds a hyperbolically expressed hatred of them each and every time they're mentioned.
fortunately your question is easy to answer. The main reason people prefix the initials BNP with words like vile is to clarify their status and behaviour, values and associates for those who are inadequately informed.
There are many who are unaware that the clearly vile BNP have refused to renounce their roots and continued association with the white supremacist organisations in America who have for sport and doctrine in prejudic and hatred murdered between 4 & 5,000 mostly young men just because they were black a practice still on occasions practiced to this day.
The revolting BNP have also refused to renounce their past association with some of the most revolting criminal individuals who have preached and practiced acts against jews and judaism, including a rewcent member of the vile BNP's executive with a conviction for a gratuitous physical assault on a jew I understand.
Yes the BNP is vile and does not represent any decent patriotic values but taints their Nationalism to the clear detriment of those aspects of their cause which the unwitting and ill informed may have voted for.
I do believe the vile BNP's recent success, greatly aided by promotion by EUkip for their personal gain will be their undoing as a result of the fresh air of publicity and to suppress them and deny them freedom of speech is their greatest assett.
I will be only too happy to to debate with Mr. Griffin on public media in order to expose just how vile the BNP is.
I hope this explains to the uninformed and those without the maturity to understand why the informed and the experienced so frequently seek to educate by showing the BNP to be vile.
I trust in future Mr. Blackwell you will have the integrity to pass on your new found factual knowledge.
Good luck in your opposition to racism, sectarianism, bullying and hopefully patriotism.
Regards,
Greg L-W.
Ankh
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9:18am Fri 11 Sep 09
Casual Observer
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9:23am Fri 11 Sep 09
Steve Halden wrote:Absolutely right - this does mean though that he will have a lot more time to devote to training for the 2010 South-East Mr Knobbly-knees competition, an event in which he has shown exemplary power and skill in the past.
UKIP may get another chairman but there will never be another Bob Feal-Martinez.
He was a one off. A man that really worked hard for what he believed in.
Hope you health improves with rest.
The Mancunian Way
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10:00am Fri 11 Sep 09
JenniMiles
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12:03pm Fri 11 Sep 09
alfred
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12:05pm Fri 11 Sep 09
1. The Conservative Party's Shadow Defence Minister manages to give a keynote speech on the future of Defence without mentioning the EU. Has he not noticed that we are now part of an EU Navy, off Somalia? Has he not read Blair's St Malo commitment? This is head in the sand politics.
2. The European Commission President Barroso has said that the idea of an EU tax will be discussed in the autumn as part of a major rethink about of how European funding is collected. He wants all our receipts to show how much VAT is going to the EU and then eventually to have control over that part of the tax take.
We need a strong UKIP or some such party to show up this death of our Sovereignty by a million tiny cuts that hardly anyone notices or is interested in. The two main parties fight clear of mentioning the EU in case it offends.
Mr Blackwell
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1:03pm Fri 11 Sep 09
All you succeed in doing by insisting on doing so is to make yourself look as bigoted as they are.
Terence
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3:14pm Fri 11 Sep 09
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Can you imagine if Greg L-W were to give us further lectures on the lessons of history and if this were to include Operation Barbarossa? It would be sheer tedium... 'the vile Nazis, on the orders of horrible Hitler, invaded the disgusting Soviet Union who were led by psychotic Stalin... etc.' :)
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I appreciate your anti-Nazi work Greg but do yourself a favour and drop the patronizing attitude, you'll get more sympathy.
vics mum
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5:44pm Fri 11 Sep 09
Wots wrong with the BNP.
Have they said we can have a referendum on euro membership.
Have UKIP said were have a vote,the rude Labour party, did I miss them saying it, maybe I was on another planet on that day.
Conservative arogant idiots, did they say were having a vote. How short the memories are as to the idiot Thatcher, the riots, strikes.
I rather like the idea of BNP The British National Party, nice ring to that,I know someone will tell us all what their going to do to get this country back on target.
Phoenix One UK
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7:37pm Fri 11 Sep 09
May I remind Anne Snelgrove that she was one of the MPs that voted against giving the British people a Referendum on EU.
For confirmation just type
ReferendumList.com
into google to see how each MP voted on the issue.
Phoenix One UK
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7:41pm Fri 11 Sep 09
The Silenced British Majority
The United Kingdom, a nation, does not belong to governments, it belongs to their people. No government possess a mandate or the right to surrender control of a sovereign nation to a foreign power without a mandate from the people. To do so would be treason.
Of the 27 member states of the EU, only Ireland was constitutionally bound and given a referendum on the Lisbon treaty, twice. Almost all the EU member states have endorsed the treaty through votes in their national parliaments, but only Ireland allowed its people to either endorse or reject the treaty. It had been left to the Irish people to decide the fate of Europe and all the Europeans who reside within.
The British people are angry, and rightly so, to see their nation betrayed by our own governments. I for one cannot even go into town without seeing the EU flag flying high outside one place of business with the British flag nowhere in sight. I hear the Prime Minister and MP’s speak of British pride and resolve, but I see very little evidence they share such pride and resolve other than to use it to dismantle and destroy our great nation.
The freedom and hopes of Europe rests with the Irish people, Vaclav Klaus, the Czech president, and political parties like UKIP to expose the Lisbon treaty for what it is and kill it.
The Lisbon treaty re-run on 2 October 2009 is not just an Irish battle for democracy in Ireland; it is a battle for democracy throughout Europe. The EU is not Europe, it is an organisation consisting of an elite class who want to control and rule Europe, and it is a dictatorship.
I included a number of links on my blog site (given below) for any and all who wish to investigate and explore allegations made. The links include neutral sites and even the EU itself.
Best wishes and good luck to the Irish NO campaign.
Phoenix One UK (http://phoenixoneuk
.blogspot.com/)
Don South
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10:33pm Fri 11 Sep 09
Casual Observer
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11:08pm Fri 11 Sep 09
Don South wrote:"You had become a running joke..."
As a UKIP member we all know the real reason why you resigned. And it is nothing to do with your health is it. Tell the truth as you spin so much you will take off and land in the sea. I think there was a collective sigh of relief with this news within UKIP. You had become a running joke and you jumped before they pushed you Bob. I for one won't miss you.
Are you kidding! - Bob's been the funniest thing on here for ages!
From his barrel shaped head fashioned as a result of years of stove-pipe hat abuse, to his seven 'Arkells' chins the man is a legend.
What you don't see in the picture are the elastic waisted shorts adorning his shiny chicken legs, old beige socks with battered yellow big toe poking through and sporting crusty sandals that have seen better days.
Where would we be without him?
ListenToReason
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11:08pm Fri 11 Sep 09
What if a prospective Labour/Liberal/Natur
al Law candidate said No to Europe - would he support them. Of course not.
The problem with single issue "politicians" is that they don't ang around to fight their corner.
Souns like the Tory lot have promised to drink regularly at his pub if he hands them his 1500 votes.
So much for integrity.
PS: Do UKIP pay expenses?
elfie
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9:36am Sat 12 Sep 09
Swindon Advertiser you really are brilliant.
vics mum
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9:51am Sat 12 Sep 09
Don South
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11:08am Sat 12 Sep 09
Bobfm
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11:37am Sat 12 Sep 09
Don South wrote:Quite amazing how some people live in a fantasy world. I am not and have never been banned from any UKIP forum. As for being pushed given some quite senior party officials have asked me to reconsider, clearly more fairy stories. I have no idea who Don South is. I have never seen such a name on any forum, UKIP or otherwise that I visit.
He was banned from a UKIP members and supporters forum for constant lying.
As for Vic's mum. What can one say, if she actually doesn't know that UKIP is the only party that has as part of it's manifesto pledge to give voters the absolute right to a referendum on Lisbon, and also to leave the EU at the earliest opportunity.
Oh one last thing for Anne S, I would just remind her that UKIP finished second in Swindon EU's, 8% points ahead of Labour, and just 6% behind the Tories.
As for my business as has been pointed out even town centre establishments have seen a down turn. We have seen a slight recovery but it is still very fragile. I do take heart from the good wishes, but muse at those who spend their lives decrying everyone in sight. Such sad people.
Oxford
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12:10pm Sat 12 Sep 09
Bobfm
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1:02pm Sat 12 Sep 09
I do use phonetic spelling at times, or the wrong versions of words. I also make typing errors, I am not a touch typist. I also miss words out from time to time as I cannot type as quickly as I think.
All that said you clearly did not read my response to Don South's post. I have no idea who that is but he certainly does not appear on the members list of any forum I regularly post on.
I repeat I have never been banned from any UKIP members or other UKIP specific forum. That is a fact.
My principles or otherwise are for those who really know me, not those who believe they can speculate based on a web forum, or those who come into my pub anonymously and attempt to get me collude with their bigoted racist views which often happens, and these people do not have the intelligence to realise how transparent they are.
I have sadly been advised, and I do not take any pleasure in this that almost my entire committee has now resigned. If nothing else they would appear to have valued my leadership if the phone calls and emails are anything to go by. But that is history. I am moving on. Life is too short to worry about anonymous posters who do not have the courage even to accept ownership of their 'bile'.
Steve Halden
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3:15pm Sat 12 Sep 09
You certainly know your stuff, when it comes to the European issue.
Do you agree with me Phonix One UK, that in Britain today there is an enemy within that is trying to destroy the British parliament, and replace it with an EU federal government, based in Brussels.
That the enemy within are those MPs that voted for the Lisbon Treaty, without giving us the referendum that was promised to us in Labour‘s 2005 election manifesto.
Do you agree Phonix One that these MPs are the enemy within, and that they are working to destroy democracy in Britain.
Phoenix One UK
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3:42pm Sat 12 Sep 09
I have been debating the EU and Lisbon treaty for a long time, and you would have no difficulty finding my threads and posts within the political forum of MSN.
I believe, and had shown, we possess a British government with an allegiance to the EU. I, and others, had also shown our own past and present governments had sabotaged our nation to make the EU look more attractive.
You will find a number of links supporting allegation within my own blog site h ttp:// phoenixoneuk.blogspo
t.com/ (remove spaces).
I do believe many MPs are the enemy within, and that we must win back our Parliament and regain control of our nation from the EU.
regards.
vics mum
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5:30pm Sat 12 Sep 09
My principles or otherwise are for those who really know me, not those who believe they can speculate based on a web forum, or those who come into my pub anonymously and attempt to get me collude with their bigoted racist views which often happens, and these people do not have the intelligence to realise how transparent they are.
Thats because you have such a closed mind with bigoted views and you rubbish anyone with views that arent aligned with yours.
Thats why no-one wants to drink in your pub, and the UKIP are celebrating your resignation, your cronies realise there,s no more free rides and have jacked it in aswell.
I also like being in the EU and cant see anything wrong with it, unity is strengh. We should all welcome the euro and start useing it like I do, anyone can pay me in any currency they like, the bank manager doesnt care.
Anyway this subject is borring so have a nice retirement bobby and hope I never hear from you again.
Bobfm
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5:47pm Sat 12 Sep 09
You can of course believe what you wish but it doesn't make it true, just your opinion based on very little as your lack of understanding of UKIP and the EU clearly shows.
Greg, UKIP
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6:46pm Sat 12 Sep 09
I wish BFM a speedy recovery, as do the rest of the UKIP Committee in Swindon.
Don South
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7:31pm Sat 12 Sep 09
Bobfm
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7:55pm Sat 12 Sep 09
The forum is an open based forum dealing with a multitude of topics and political parties. The vast majority on the section dealing with UKIP issues are anti UKIP, BNP supporters, the occasional Tory, Lib-dem etc.
You are correct I was banned because I refused to retract a comment I made, because justifying my comment would have meant disclosing my source, something I was not prepared to do.
I am provided with an abundance of politically sensitive information from members of all parties. This happens because they know I will never disclose my sources. Being provided with such information can and has led to me being able to obtain more official versions of events or activities to the benefit of the public.
So I make no apololges for this. But reiterated it is not a UKIP forum of any description.
vics mum
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10:59pm Sat 12 Sep 09
Greg, UKIP wrote:There will always be SHEEP, nice to know that a lot of readers are prepared to make their own minds up and not be influenced by a group of people that do not have a successful track record of being right in their assumptions, foresight and leadership!
Having read the comments on this page I can only say that most are ill informed rubbish. I accept that, as an active member of the Party, I am biased but it also means that I know the facts, not the vile, unproven stories being put about by some contributors who, for reasons of their own, seem to want to see the only moderate, patriotic party in British politics destroyed. I have to question what they hope to gain from it. I wish BFM a speedy recovery, as do the rest of the UKIP Committee in Swindon.
Unity is strength but following a lost cause is folly!
elfie
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12:14am Sun 13 Sep 09
Bob mudslings, sends nasty emails and tries to get people the sack but he is not terminally ill as far as I know and UKIP have not banned him.
Why be mean?
Bobfm
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7:48am Sun 13 Sep 09
I don't suppose 'your source' advised you that I stood against the majority view that this individual should be sacked from their position, but I guess that posting the whole truth would have rather defeated the knocking process.
Don't you just love anonymous posters who have the back bone of a snake.
Greg, UKIP
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8:24am Sun 13 Sep 09
The truth is that you only attack that which frightens you and the current success of the Party in beating Labour (3rd), Lib Dem (4th) with Green (5th), and only by the slimmest of margins (less than 800 votes in over a million) came close to adding another to the 13 seats we gained in the EU election, has worried a lot of people. What are they worried about? I wish I knew but when they have to resort to blatant lies (as a few have on this site) to support their cause it shows how weak is their "argument".
One question. If Bob is as bad as those liars on here are making out then why did Councillor Tomlinson say (quote from the SA, 10th Sept) "...he (BFM) would be a welcome addition to the Conservative Party". Bob will be the same man, but I suppose he would be acceptable to the politically ignorant if he was wearing a blue favour?
Fortunately I believe Bob to be too sincere and faithful to the anti EU cause to accept such a sell out to a lesser, predominantly pro EU, group.
Get well soon Bob, and get back to work. You are badly needed by the Party and missed by all who truly know you.
Phoenix One UK
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8:34am Sun 13 Sep 09
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels
Published: 12:00AM BST 19 Sep 2000
DECLASSIFIED American government documents show that the US intelligence community ran a campaign in the Fifties and Sixties to build momentum for a united Europe. It funded and directed the European federalist movement.
The documents confirm suspicions voiced at the time that America was working aggressively behind the scenes to push Britain into a European state. One memorandum, dated July 26, 1950, gives instructions for a campaign to promote a fully fledged European parliament. It is signed by Gen William J Donovan, head of the American wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the CIA.
The documents were found by Joshua Paul, a researcher at Georgetown University in Washington. They include files released by the US National Archives. Washington's main tool for shaping the European agenda was the American Committee for a United Europe, created in 1948. The chairman was Donovan, ostensibly a private lawyer by then.
The vice-chairman was Allen Dulles, the CIA director in the Fifties. The board included Walter Bedell Smith, the CIA's first director, and a roster of ex-OSS figures and officials who moved in and out of the CIA. The documents show that ACUE financed the European Movement, the most important federalist organisation in the post-war years. In 1958, for example, it provided 53.5 per cent of the movement's funds.
The European Youth Campaign, an arm of the European Movement, was wholly funded and controlled by Washington. The Belgian director, Baron Boel, received monthly payments into a special account. When the head of the European Movement, Polish-born Joseph Retinger, bridled at this degree of American control and tried to raise money in Europe, he was quickly reprimanded.
The leaders of the European Movement - Retinger, the visionary Robert Schuman and the former Belgian prime minister Paul-Henri Spaak - were all treated as hired hands by their American sponsors. The US role was handled as a covert operation. ACUE's funding came from the Ford and Rockefeller foundations as well as business groups with close ties to the US government.
The head of the Ford Foundation, ex-OSS officer Paul Hoffman, doubled as head of ACUE in the late Fifties. The State Department also played a role. A memo from the European section, dated June 11, 1965, advises the vice-president of the European Economic Community, Robert Marjolin, to pursue monetary union by stealth.
It recommends suppressing debate until the point at which "adoption of such proposals would become virtually inescapable".
h ttp://w ww.telegraph.co.uk/n
ews/worldnews/europe
/1356047/Euro-federa
lists-financed-by-US
-spy-chiefs.html
Bobfm
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10:46am Sun 13 Sep 09
For those proponents the modern age of communication is becoming a problem. You can suppress the news media to a large degree, and control television, but the Internet has opened up the debate in such a way that frightens those who want this NWO. It is no coincidence that the EU is now trying to regulate the European sections of the internet in much the same way as China has done.
The move towards hosts of data bases for our own well being is an example of control. The latest one announced quietly in the UK will make it unlawful for adults not to register the fact that they may from time to time transport friends of their children to parties etc. Not to register would be a £5000 fine. However the implications for freedom and democracy far out-way the extremely remote risk to a child.
The EU is desporate that the Irish vote yes this time as a NO vote will severely scupper the time scale and encourage European dissent. They will use any method to promote this vote. The link below shows this all to clearly. An ordinary Irish Lady (?) stands up and is supposed to be asking a question of Nigel Farage, she engages in a diatribe against interference etc in Irish affairs by outsiders. The Chair allows almost 4 minutes of this then cuts her off an goes to Farage. Who asks the lady if she is a Jean Monet Professor of European Studies. She admits it. Watch the video. For those who do not know, Monet was essentially the architect of the EU, who advised politicians to essentially lie to the public to convince them the EU or EEC as it was known was an economic union not a political union. This lady was still deceiving this audience she was paid to promote the EU.
There in lies the problem, ultimately money will by this Union and NWO, unless the people start to realise the main parties are part of this conspiracy to destroy Britain's Sovereignty as politicians in other EU countries are doing the same.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=7e-FRXMv4
po&feature=player_em
bedded
Steve Halden
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10:56am Sun 13 Sep 09
You clearly have a vast knowledge of the subject of Europe, and the enemy within that is supporting the EU takeover of Britain, without a referendum.
Phoenix One UK
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11:51am Sun 13 Sep 09
In 1997, I was an activist for Referendum party during the very election that saw Tony Blair win power from John Major. The Referendum party did poorly at that election but their message lives on. Today their message represent the demands of British majority.
The evidence acquired suggest the British people will not get a Referendum on EU but will get a Referendum on Lisbon treaty. The coming general election promises to be very hot.
Phoenix One UK
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11:59am Sun 13 Sep 09
You are correct with regard the extent of suppression of fact within the media, with the Internet proving a viable and reliable alternate source of news and information. However, the EU knows this too, and there are moves to suppress the net too. You will find most of this under security. The fight against terrorism is the usual justification of infringing civil liberties.
The EU propaganda machine is a multi-billion uro monster paid for by the tax payers. We are actually funding the EU propaganda campaigns.
bilzinusa
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12:01pm Sun 13 Sep 09
mmmmmmmm... wonders why that is ???
Phoenix One UK
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12:07pm Sun 13 Sep 09
According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung (Sept. 5), which received an advance copy of the documents that cover the period from April 1989 to November 1990, “Germany's acceptance of a common European currency was the price that Mitterrand exacted from Kohl for unification, and obtained.” Thus, Germany missed the historic chance to use the fall of the Berlin Wall to launch great projects for the common development of both Eastern and Western European infrastructure and industries, as the LaRouche movement proposed at that time (cf. Productive Triangle Paris-Berlin-Vienna)
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Instead, under the suicidal criteria of the Maastricht Treaty, Germany proceeded to dismantle its productive economy, so as to calm the fears of the London-based interests, as did the other EU countries.
Although such diplomatic documents are usually kept secret for 30 years, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office decided to declassify the some 500 pages after only 20 years. Why? According to the Financial Times of Sept. 10: “The FCO's decision to publish the papers, after a year of deliberation by Whitehall officials, is being seen as an attempt by Britain to set the record straight and show that its diplomats were positive about reunification early on - in spite of Mrs. Thatcher's personal misgivings.”
But that's a cover-up. In fact, as Lyndon LaRouche pointed out, none of these revelations are new, they are just coming out now, to create a pretense of rifts. As our news service has consistently reported since 1989, François Mitterrand and U.S. President George H.W. Bush were hand-in-glove with the British, and their hysterical “Fourth Reich” propaganda, to contain Germany within an expanded NATO and a globalized economy. Helmut Kohl admitted as much, when he described the “reign of terror” that was imposed on his government.
Of course, Mrs. Thatcher was the most furiously hostile to German reunification, even caricaturally so. The SDZ reports that at a seminar in late March 1990, the Iron Lady asked many questions, which all came down to: “Have the Germans really changed? Or are they still the same old Huns?”
As for the French President, a note written by Charles Powell, then foreign affairs adviser to Mrs. Thatcher, during a luncheon at the Elysee Palace on Jan. 20, 1990 is mentioned by the Financial Times: “Mr. Mitterrand talked about how reunification would see the re-emergence of the 'bad' Germans who had once dominated Europe. According to the memo, Mr. Mitterrand at one point said that if Chancellor Kohl were to get his way, Germany could win more ground than Hitler ever did and that Europe would have to bear the consequences.”
Whatever the intended effect of the early declassification of those documents might be, German and other political leaders should use the opportunity to make a swift exit from the euro now, and from the recent EU treaties as well, and to create a Europe of sovereign nation states.
http://news.eirna.co
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Phoenix One UK
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1:56pm Sun 13 Sep 09
2009 09 13
From: youtube.com/EuropeSa
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karen29
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12:07pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Bobfm
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12:39pm Mon 14 Sep 09
As for Alf Garnett one wonders your age. He last appeared in 1998. He was for many a symbol of Britain's fight for it's identity, he would certainly not be an acceptable television character in today's PC world.
vics mum
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1:35pm Mon 14 Sep 09
And your NOT
Jock Strap
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8:12pm Mon 14 Sep 09
vics mum
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8:15pm Mon 14 Sep 09
whats up you jock strap.
bilzinusa
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8:45pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Scott Thunes
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8:53pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Don South
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8:54pm Mon 14 Sep 09
bilzinusa
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9:10pm Mon 14 Sep 09
vics mum
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10:42pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Like to keep it a personl site for the labour party do we. Fat chance
vics mum
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10:45pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Don South wrote:ARE THEY I didnt know that. Can you tell us more.? Pleeese.
The only use for UKIP is to take all the nutty votes so they don't vote for the BNP. UKIP are a watered down version of the BNP anyway.
I would read there web site but would rather have the truth told by someone who knows.
Scott Thunes
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11:08pm Mon 14 Sep 09
bilzinusa wrote:You and me both bilzinusa. It's been a few days since I lodged my first official complaint. I'll do the same as you if nothing forthcoming by tomorrow night.
Scott...Adver seem complacent enough to warrant an IPCC message from me and others tomorrow unless I hear from Newsquest first !
Bobfm
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10:59am Tue 15 Sep 09
As for UKIP and the BNP, their policies in some respects may be similar but their ethos's couldn't be farther apart. The BNP are the ones who propagate the belief that the parties are similar. UKIP has made it abundantly clear we will have nothing to do with a white supremacist, racist party like the BNP. But they will continue their propaganda no matter what we say.
vics mum
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3:55pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Scott Thunes wrote:So how far did you get snotty with your complaint.:)
bilzinusa wrote: Scott...Adver seem complacent enough to warrant an IPCC message from me and others tomorrow unless I hear from Newsquest first !You and me both bilzinusa. It's been a few days since I lodged my first official complaint. I'll do the same as you if nothing forthcoming by tomorrow night.
anotherimigrant
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5:57pm Tue 15 Sep 09
The others cant understand why you dont go along with their warped ideas of how the world should be.
Most of them work for are are active labour parasites and has beens or wannabe,s
Dont you worry about it dear, we are all on your side and they are as you said, pigs.
Carry on my dear as we all think your great and give them as hard a time as they deserve.
Bobfm
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8:43am Wed 16 Sep 09
anotherimigrant
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9:06am Wed 16 Sep 09
Don South
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8:50am Fri 18 Sep 09
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At the moment UKIP are treated as a joke and not a serious threat to anyone.
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Yet they have a bunch of badly researched crackpot policies that have never been held up to scrutiny.
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So Bob - where should the new landfill sites go in Swindon? Where is Swindon should we burn our rubbish and where shall we stick UKIPs radioactive power plants?
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Let us move the deabte on from insulting Bob (his own party call him a Sontarian and say he speaks manglish - so much respect!) And let us move this debate onto UKIPs polices for waste disposal and power generation.
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Stacko75 says...
4:05pm Thu 10 Sep 09
I look forward to reading all of them.
Let the carnage begin....