‘Ill Wind’ campaigners slam Honda's latest compromise (From Swindon Advertiser)
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‘Ill Wind’ campaigners slam Honda's latest compromise
10:10pm Thursday 6th October 2011 in News By David Wiles
WIND turbine campaigners have slammed Honda’s formal offer to compromise over its plans – days ahead of a meeting to decide whether the controversial project can go ahead.
The car firm says it still wants to build three 120-metre turbines at its plant, in South Marston, but it is now offering Swindon Council the option to grant approval for only two turbines.
To support the alternative, Honda and green energy firm Ecotricity have submitted an additional environmental impact assessment document for just two turbines.
However, members of the Ill Wind campaign group say that removing the turbine – the one closest to Highworth Road – still means that two turbines will be too near to houses and could cause negative health effects.
A special meeting of the planning committee to determine the application will take place at the Wyvern Theatre on October 13 at 6pm, with doors opening at 5pm.
Des Fitzpatrick, 64, of South Marston, who is chairman of Ill Wind and will speak at the meeting, said: “They’re still applying for three, but even were they to apply for two, we wouldn’t be happy with that.
“What we’ve asked for is to see a minimum separation between turbines and houses of 2km and we’ve backed this up by saying this is a standard recommendation in Scotland and also on two bills in Parliament at the moment.
“So even with the two turbines option, they would be within 590 metres of residential housing so we wouldn’t be happy with that.
“People typically think that the visual impact is the main concern, and of course that’s a concern: these turbines are half as big again as the David Murray John building.
“But also of great concern is the noise. There’s a lot of evidence that the closer you live to turbines, the more downsides there are. We have submitted evidence to the council that the turbines this close cause noise which will be detrimental to health and wellbeing.”
Andy West, 45, of Stratton, who is also a member of Ill Wind, said there was little difference in noise levels for many residents from the removal of the turbine – and claimed the only way to mitigate this would be to move the turbines further away.
He said: “It’s scant difference. The basic problem is no one should be living next to those turbines and people will be. You cannot play with people’s health like this.
He added: “It’s critical that people go to the meeting to defend their homes and families.”
Colin McEwan, the former chairman of South Marston PC, said the two-turbine option would not really help South Marston.
He said: “It’s the turbine that’s closer to Stratton that may be removed so it doesn’t affect South Marston so much. The turbines closest to South Marston would remain even if that compromise was agreed. And those are just too big and too close to the village.”
The turbines project is part of a bid by HUM to reduce its carbon emissions by a minimum of 30 per cent by 2020 to meet both environmental and financial pressures.
Mike Godfrey, the divisional manager and chief engineer at Honda UK Manufacturing (HUM), told the Adver this week, : “Either by design or through technical mitigations we have put in, the issues of flicker and vibration will not be an issue for our local residents.
“And that’s been verified by third party consultants, Halcrow, and approved by Swindon Borough Council’s planning officers.”
To register to speak at the planning meeting, email Iain Tucker, the committee officer, at itucker@swindon.gov.uk or call 01793 463605. The deadline to register is noon on October 12.
Comments(129)
I Too
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12:30am Fri 7 Oct 11
Ill Wind? Makes me think of methane, if you know what I mean
Majorie Poops
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3:05am Fri 7 Oct 11
People are afraid of change, and this is all about "would it affect the value of my house".
It's not noise or anything else - it's about "will my house be worth less"
So let's get real and stop washing over the real concerns.
These people should seriously think about whether they can talk or even think the truth.
sn5
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4:46am Fri 7 Oct 11
The Real Librarian
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6:47am Fri 7 Oct 11
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There is a recession on, that could even get worse, and these sad little Nimbys are tarting around, trying to upset the towns main employer. Its sickening.
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These Ill Wind people are fruitcakes, shouting their mouths off about their made up statistics and invented health claims. The only real statistic that worries them is the value of their houses and they should have the decency to admit it.
The Real Librarian
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6:47am Fri 7 Oct 11
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There is a recession on, that could even get worse, and these sad little Nimbys are tarting around, trying to upset the towns main employer. Its sickening.
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These Ill Wind people are fruitcakes, shouting their mouths off about their made up statistics and invented health claims. The only real statistic that worries them is the value of their houses and they should have the decency to admit it.
The Real Librarian
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6:55am Fri 7 Oct 11
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It's still worth writing to councillors, especially those on the planning commitee, quote application ref: S/10/1073. Here is a list of e-mail addresses for the councillors:
Local Ward Councillors:
Stratton St Margaret:
Raymond Fisher rfisher@swindon.gov.
uk
Russell Holland russ79_holland@hotma
il.com
Mark Edwards markaedwards@yahoo.c
o.uk
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St Philips:
Sinead Darker sdarker@swindon.gov.
uk
Janet Heenan janetheenan@mail.com
Joe Tray j.tray@ntlworld.com
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Covingham & Nythe
Richard Hurley rhurley@swindon.gov.
uk
Emma Faramarzi efaramarzi@swindon.g
ov.uk
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PLANNING COMMITTEE COUNCILLORS:
DALE HEENAN (Chair): DHeenan@swindon.gov.
uk
VERA TOMLINSON (Vice Chair): vtomlinson@swindon.g
ov.uk
JUNAB ALI: junab@hotmail.co.uk
ANDY ABLINSON: aalbinson@swindon.go
v.uk
STEVE ALLSOP: SAllsopp@swindon.gov
.uk
PAUL BAKER pauljbaker@ntlworld.
com
JOHN BALLMAN: JBallman@swindon.gov
.uk
ALAN BISHOP: No e-mail listed. Postal address: 27 Pound Road, Highworth, Swindon SN6 7LA
DOREEN DART: DDart@swindon.gov.uk
FIONUALA FOLEY: ffoley@freenetname.c
o.uk
BRIAN FORD: brian.ford@absolutel
y-independent.co.uk
COLIN LOVELL: CLovell@swindon.gov.
uk
JENNIFER MILLIN: moredon.millin@gmail
.com
NICKY SEWELL: nicky@swindonlibdems
.org
DAVID WREN: d.wren1@ntlworld.com
Robfm
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7:31am Fri 7 Oct 11
Of course the planners know my views as does Illwind, strange I never get their leaflets:):):), although they did use our pub for a meeting!!!!.
I have provided SBC with links to extensive health studies from across the globe which impartially conclude that most of the perceived health issues are psychosomatic.
Whilst I would say it of course everyone's democratic right to express a view, it is not the right of a self appointed group to grossly mislead people.
Walter is right with regard to many residents in South Marston not having anything to do with this campaign. The problem of course is they do not shout the loudest.
Let us hope the planning committee are not intimidated by numbers, have you ever wondered why official union pickets are restricted to just 6???.
dc the 2nd
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7:33am Fri 7 Oct 11
Sincerely
The Apocalypse
Robfm
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7:46am Fri 7 Oct 11
SockPuppet
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9:22am Fri 7 Oct 11
SockPuppet
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9:25am Fri 7 Oct 11
Gooey
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9:28am Fri 7 Oct 11
Even Angrier Monkey
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9:32am Fri 7 Oct 11
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Paygeh
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9:52am Fri 7 Oct 11
I've been doing a lot of work on turbine technology lately and turbines of that size CAN'T go fast, the weight of the blades are increased as the speed rises. So to overcome that, they keep the maximum speed very low, but with the size of the blades the force generated from them can easily power the generator through a gearbox.
Wow, after doing a small scale drawing of the proposed plan, it does look like they are worried about the house prices. Basically the turbines are so far away, that at the speed they will be rotating you won't even hear them at half the distance.
C'mon guys let them do their bit for the planet, you're getting in their way of doing something good. What will you be doing for the planet?
Robfm
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9:52am Fri 7 Oct 11
Illwind mention Scotland in their comments perhaps Des Fitzpatrick should go to Fintry in Scotland a village that embraced the technology, had one built for them, not 2000 metres away and now have another. Making the village of 400 or so houses almost self sufficient with a huge yearly bonus, and no one is dropping dead or even ill from it.
Of course Honda didn't help their case recently when they agreed to allow the new Solar Farm on Highworth Road (some of Illwind objected to that) to link into their existing sub-station to meet the expansion deadline set by HMG for Solar Farms.
Hmmmf
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9:56am Fri 7 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:
Whilst I would say it of course everyone's democratic right to express a view, it is not the right of a self appointed group to grossly mislead people.
Unless of course that self-appointed group happens to support your own opinions, and your own vested interest in jumping on the windscam bandwagon.
Robfm
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10:04am Fri 7 Oct 11
As if I didn't know.
Trend
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10:27am Fri 7 Oct 11
The Real Librarian
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10:31am Fri 7 Oct 11
Robfm
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10:38am Fri 7 Oct 11
Hmmmf
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11:26am Fri 7 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:Of course you do know. I quoted the specific paragraph of yours because you are exceptionally fond of cherry-picking internet 'research' which supports your own causes while utterly ignoring any sources that don't.
What vested interest would that be, and why single out me when every other post of the 17 or so agrees the Turbines should be allowed.?
As if I didn't know.
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I mentioned the 'vested interest' because you *do* have a vested interest in the turbines being built; in the past you made no bones about wishing to erect a turbine yourself to profit from the feed-in tariff scam. If the Honda planning permission does go ahead, you will of course use it as a precedent to bolster your own application for planning permission.
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People amaze me. Decrying the energy companies for hiking gas and electricity bills while at the same time lauding and trumpeting a substantial cause of rising energy costs: wind and solar. In Germany it's apparently estimated that every single household currently pays an additional 4 euros per month on their electricity bills to cover the cost of the wind and solar scams.
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There is nothing 'green' about Ecotricity, they're in it for the money Ed Milliband made available to them. There is nothing 'green' about Honda's application, they're doing it because Ed Milliband told them to. Ed 'The Science is Settled' Milliband introduced the feed-in tariff which makes the scam possible. If there were no feed-in tariff, if there was Grid Parity, there would be no Ecotricity, we wouldn't be giving a Swedish company £1.2billion in subsidies for the Thanet windfarm, and our electricity bills wouldn't keep going up to pay for the 'free electricity' in the Scottish village of Fintry that Robfm keeps banging on about.
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If the Honda turbines do go ahead, it won't just be the people of South Marston paying for them. It'll be everyone in Swindon, paying more on their electricity bills and effectively giving 'free money' to Ecotricity and Honda. Thank you, Mr Milliband.
dc the 2nd
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11:33am Fri 7 Oct 11
Hmmmf wrote:sorry but if renewables are making electricity then thats less coal we need to burn, if it costs more now so be it. At least we'll have some knowledge and development of this industry before coal/gas become uneconomical to find in the coming decades.
Robfm wrote:Of course you do know. I quoted the specific paragraph of yours because you are exceptionally fond of cherry-picking internet 'research' which supports your own causes while utterly ignoring any sources that don't.
What vested interest would that be, and why single out me when every other post of the 17 or so agrees the Turbines should be allowed.?
As if I didn't know.
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I mentioned the 'vested interest' because you *do* have a vested interest in the turbines being built; in the past you made no bones about wishing to erect a turbine yourself to profit from the feed-in tariff scam. If the Honda planning permission does go ahead, you will of course use it as a precedent to bolster your own application for planning permission.
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People amaze me. Decrying the energy companies for hiking gas and electricity bills while at the same time lauding and trumpeting a substantial cause of rising energy costs: wind and solar. In Germany it's apparently estimated that every single household currently pays an additional 4 euros per month on their electricity bills to cover the cost of the wind and solar scams.
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There is nothing 'green' about Ecotricity, they're in it for the money Ed Milliband made available to them. There is nothing 'green' about Honda's application, they're doing it because Ed Milliband told them to. Ed 'The Science is Settled' Milliband introduced the feed-in tariff which makes the scam possible. If there were no feed-in tariff, if there was Grid Parity, there would be no Ecotricity, we wouldn't be giving a Swedish company £1.2billion in subsidies for the Thanet windfarm, and our electricity bills wouldn't keep going up to pay for the 'free electricity' in the Scottish village of Fintry that Robfm keeps banging on about.
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If the Honda turbines do go ahead, it won't just be the people of South Marston paying for them. It'll be everyone in Swindon, paying more on their electricity bills and effectively giving 'free money' to Ecotricity and Honda. Thank you, Mr Milliband.
Robfm
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12:12pm Fri 7 Oct 11
That said, I believe that the £20 billion plus now being used to meet our self imposed carbon emissions targets would be better spent in giving grants to small businesses to cover roofs, and used land with Solar Panels and to erect Wind turbines where appropriate. The business gets free electric, whilst reducing their carbon footprint, and any excess is returned to the grid free.
Then everyone wins.
The Patrician
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12:20pm Fri 7 Oct 11
MrAngry
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12:57pm Fri 7 Oct 11
Trend wrote:The solar panels in SM village are a bit of an eyesore. I'm suprised that Honda and the new B&Q depot haven't installed panels on the large roof space. This would be less of an eyesore, but perhaps there are technical reasons for not doing so.
Funny how none of them have complained about the massive solar panels that have just been installed in the village.
Hmmmf
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2:20pm Fri 7 Oct 11
dc the 2nd wrote:
sorry but if renewables are making electricity then thats less coal we need to burn, if it costs more now so be it. At least we'll have some knowledge and development of this industry before coal/gas become uneconomical to find in the coming decades.
That's a specious argument; coal and gas will continue to be burned even while the windmills are turning (and even more when they're not). And yes, it costs considerably more per MW for solar and wind than for coal/gas or nuclear, which is why you and I have to pay so much more on our bills for these 'renewables' to be built and operated. If they were cost-effective, they wouldn't need to be subsidised to attract investors seeking profit. Worth a look regardless of politics: http://goo.gl/raK41
dc the 2nd
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3:04pm Fri 7 Oct 11
Hmmmf wrote:Tell what i know for sure. Coal and gas wont be burnt when there's none left.
dc the 2nd wrote:
sorry but if renewables are making electricity then thats less coal we need to burn, if it costs more now so be it. At least we'll have some knowledge and development of this industry before coal/gas become uneconomical to find in the coming decades.
That's a specious argument; coal and gas will continue to be burned even while the windmills are turning (and even more when they're not). And yes, it costs considerably more per MW for solar and wind than for coal/gas or nuclear, which is why you and I have to pay so much more on our bills for these 'renewables' to be built and operated. If they were cost-effective, they wouldn't need to be subsidised to attract investors seeking profit. Worth a look regardless of politics: http://goo.gl/raK41
itsamess
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3:46pm Fri 7 Oct 11
this countries energy costs have risen.
The initiative to build renewables was very quickly downgraded in regard to solar panels when this govt on advice
given at the outset by business and energy experts was ignored.
The initiative was to grant aid solar
panels for homes to provide both electricity and heating and on varied and suitable commercial premises and the excess being fed to the N.G
being rewarded by the F.I .T.
The aim being to reduce bills and promote growth in jobs.
Neither happened because energy prices rose sharply because most of our energy companies are french and german owned. Further the germans
both supplied the panels and the finance and supplied chinese cheap
panels which the germans simply only covered in the final film and sold them on. The final straw being the farmers quickly jumped on the same bandwagon commissioning huge solar farms using all the grants monies.
At least our govt finally took the advice and reverted back to the original intent.
Not surprisingly nuclear energy has suffered in the same way as the french dominate the market. Once again the french supply many countries with nuclear derived energy.
Here the protesters delay what is the
finest technology in nuclear energy
which the sceptics denied existed-the ultimate green energy with no harmful emissions or carbons and british technology. The public release
of the fact that JET had not only achieved in 1986 the goals of fusion--it has continuosly mantained that power in 2 separate places and that
ITER is using that technology.
The only disadvantage of wind energy
currently is that it rarely achieves the
optimum levels. Once again british technology is becoming available with
rotorless turbines able to catch mild winds with back up from fuel cell technology. I think we all know whilst
our govt clicks their heels and fails to support our home grown technology
the other countries will grasp it in both hands and once again we lose all the benefits and pay the price of
higher fuel bills from other countries
using our technology--proteste
rs go home--support our country rather than the greedy french and germans.
Robfm
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6:19pm Fri 7 Oct 11
If we knew this then perhaps us mere mortals, the general public, collectively, across the UK could say to the Coalition, please invest to save Britain.
itsamess
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6:40pm Fri 7 Oct 11
what is going on--i am sure you are aware of the protesters who do not understand current technology.
As i have told you and the press release confirms JET has been producing useable power since 1986.
Phantom Poster
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7:04pm Fri 7 Oct 11
itsamess wrote:What on earth are you going on about, "useable" power? Are you telling me that in 1986 JET achieved fusion which produced more power than they put in?
Bob as all the information has been released and HMG are fully aware of
what is going on--i am sure you are aware of the protesters who do not understand current technology.
As i have told you and the press release confirms JET has been producing useable power since 1986.
Fusion is no where near being commercially viable. ITER is the next step in the process. You do realise that the "E" stands for experimental, don't you?
Only after many years of experimentation with ITER would a commercial reactor be built.
Sensian
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7:57pm Fri 7 Oct 11
itsamess
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8:03pm Fri 7 Oct 11
Do track down the report as it is the first time it has been released in the public domain. You would know they JET was first tested at harwell and was succesful prior to 86--the russians also achieved more power than was put in. If you as you say a degree holder in physics i suggest you study the very peculiar case of chernobyl--or were you not aware of
the experiments going on there--and
even today one reactor is still in operation--using tokamak and is still the only part of the site deemed as a security area--again recently revealed.
As to ITER--why would they build 4 reactors? Why build to accomodate JET? Did you know the Koreans have the russian system? Perhaps you should not have wasted your degree.
dc the 2nd
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9:38pm Fri 7 Oct 11
itsamess wrote:What a complete pillock you are, "achieved more power than was put in" break the laws of physics did it? I never thought I'd respect you less than bob politicrat.
P.P
Do track down the report as it is the first time it has been released in the public domain. You would know they JET was first tested at harwell and was succesful prior to 86--the russians also achieved more power than was put in. If you as you say a degree holder in physics i suggest you study the very peculiar case of chernobyl--or were you not aware of
the experiments going on there--and
even today one reactor is still in operation--using tokamak and is still the only part of the site deemed as a security area--again recently revealed.
As to ITER--why would they build 4 reactors? Why build to accomodate JET? Did you know the Koreans have the russian system? Perhaps you should not have wasted your degree.
Phantom Poster
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10:02pm Fri 7 Oct 11
itsamess wrote:OK, I'll take you word for the history of nuclear fusion, rather than that of the scientist I spoke to when I visited JET in the early 90s.
P.P
Do track down the report as it is the first time it has been released in the public domain. You would know they JET was first tested at harwell and was succesful prior to 86--the russians also achieved more power than was put in. If you as you say a degree holder in physics i suggest you study the very peculiar case of chernobyl--or were you not aware of
the experiments going on there--and
even today one reactor is still in operation--using tokamak and is still the only part of the site deemed as a security area--again recently revealed.
As to ITER--why would they build 4 reactors? Why build to accomodate JET? Did you know the Koreans have the russian system? Perhaps you should not have wasted your degree.
I would suggest that you watched too much of the X files in the 90s! I bet when you type your posts (probably in your parents basement) you wear a tin-foil hat!
You know what, I'm like most people who have a degree - my job is too interesting and hectic to spend my working day on here monitoring ever single post. How about you?
How's your court case against Bob going? - please update us all! I bet he must be quaking in his boots with an international scientist and secret squirrel such as yourself after him!
itsamess
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10:49pm Fri 7 Oct 11
bombs created devastating power?
Do you know the difference between the A and H bombs and why one test island was re-inhabited within months
of the second series of H tests--the most powerful ones.
It shows you have very little knowledge of fusion dear boy.
itsamess
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12:20am Sat 8 Oct 11
So you visited JET in the early 90s. Do
tell us where you applied for security
clearance and the well known phrase surrounding the gallery.
As for my working day--very boring at this time as JET was shutdown for an upgrade for a period of time and
restarted. The results of examinations
were published in a very well known
Science magazine as you seem so keen on the project--guess you are a little to busy to keep up with that.
Dont worry your little head as to my
personal business--you will know in due course.
Hmmmmm--wonder what you think of the challenge to Einsteins theory?
dc the 2nd
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6:58am Sat 8 Oct 11
itsamess wrote:They still don't create energy, which I believe would break the 2nd law of thermodynamics, they release it.
Are you conversant with how nuclear
bombs created devastating power?
Do you know the difference between the A and H bombs and why one test island was re-inhabited within months
of the second series of H tests--the most powerful ones.
It shows you have very little knowledge of fusion dear boy.
But you knew that is an internationally recognised scientist who spends all day on the forum of a local newspaper arguing with a publican.
Robfm
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7:13am Sat 8 Oct 11
Also why not just tell us where these articles you continually refer to have appeared and when there are literally thousands of scientific publications out there. There is no simple way of finding a specific piece of info.
itsamess
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7:34am Sat 8 Oct 11
Are you really trying to suggest heat
is not energy--hmm--go back to your
college and demand a refund. You do know why the first breed of H bomb
left radioactivity and the second breed did not--dont you?
Robfm
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7:42am Sat 8 Oct 11
A stands for Atomic (fission) H stands for Hydrogen (fusion) and your point is what exactly.
dc the 2nd
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7:44am Sat 8 Oct 11
itsamess wrote:Well this 2 min search reckons you're talking rubbish and so do I. Hydrogen bombs leave plenty of radiation.
dc
Are you really trying to suggest heat
is not energy--hmm--go back to your
college and demand a refund. You do know why the first breed of H bomb
left radioactivity and the second breed did not--dont you?
You really are full of nonsense, go deliver your leaflets.
http://www.natscienc
e.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx
/fusion/353/Does-a-H
ydrogen-bomb-leave-r
adiation
itsamess
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8:52am Sat 8 Oct 11
You have made a complete arse of yourself over a very long time as to fusion and as i was very restricted in what i could say as the uk programme
has been classified for considerable years. Over the last few months much information has now been released and confirmed and i am pretty certain it would still be beyond
your intelligence. The first plasma was achieved way back in 1947 but for a very brief period--but vital to the
research. Simplified-magnetic fusion was first achieved and maintained in the uk where the output exceeded the input and sustained. 2 very similar
reactors were built at different locations one of which the ITER project was based on which 4 countries signed up to until later the USA withdrew. A second JET was constructed and commissioned in the
80s and produced output far exceeding input until the later 2000s
when it was shut down to strengthen
the chamber with a new material and
output increased. In 2006 the chinese
invited selected scientists from numerous countries to witness their
new fusion reactor using dual magnetic devices which was a breakthrough but had found as we did
maximum output could not be achieved for sustained periods without
the chamber deteriorating--they have
now modified those chambers.
That is a very brief description of some of the global achievements and other nations are known to have this technology in some form but have not
fully declared so.
I have avoided certain references for a specific reason.
I have no idea as to your meaning of life saving energy devices you claim i have referred to.
Numerous scientific publications go into great detail and fill in all the blanks but still condensing literally
thousands of pages of probative material--and as i am fully aware that you will claim far superior knowledge and denials of what is fact
so i will let you search and make a complete arse of yourself in trying to prove otherwise.
itsamess
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9:11am Sat 8 Oct 11
Doing a bobby eh--sorry an h-bomb
with a fission detonation produces
radioactive waste. A fusion reaction used in an h bomb creates no such radioactive waste. Even the humble
net would explain why the affected islanders evacuated from numerous
islands could relocate within days of
what was known as the clean bomb.
dc the 2nd
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9:36am Sat 8 Oct 11
itsamess
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9:57am Sat 8 Oct 11
No--its the job i have done since i graduated--the net has its limitations
always has and always will be. I readily accept for years much has been hidden--and much still is but the fact is unless all the myths are
dispelled folk will be cynical of nuclear
power. Even these limited releases i believe is not enough.
Blackwell 2
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10:05am Sat 8 Oct 11
Where have I read something similar?
Oh, I remember.
The opening comment on
Housing transfer would bring £70m
7:00pm Monday 3rd October 2011
dc the 2nd
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10:09am Sat 8 Oct 11
Blackwell 2 wrote:Well did he not say he was self funding leaflets on the issue?
"You really are full of nonsense, go deliver your leaflets." ??
Where have I read something similar?
Oh, I remember.
The opening comment on
Housing transfer would bring £70m
7:00pm Monday 3rd October 2011
dc the 2nd
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10:13am Sat 8 Oct 11
itsamess wrote:I'm cynical of nuclear power because it's a huge risk and messy, there is an article on a leak at dounraey this morning, I don't think that's even an active plant
dc
No--its the job i have done since i graduated--the net has its limitations
always has and always will be. I readily accept for years much has been hidden--and much still is but the fact is unless all the myths are
dispelled folk will be cynical of nuclear
power. Even these limited releases i believe is not enough.
itsamess
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10:40am Sat 8 Oct 11
the FBRs and is currently being decommisioned--i have not had time to read much today- i have no alerts
as to any serious incident. That again
was fission--not my specific field. We
would have alerts depending on gravity--but i do understand folk do have concerns. Try France--alerts are
almost on a daily basis.
Robfm
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11:20am Sat 8 Oct 11
You claim to be in the loop, you imply being one of the select few who knows the detail we are not permitted to know. So when Walter, next year, the year after, 2020, 2035, 2050 or is it as all the main available scientific journals say more likely the 22nd Century.
So now you say there have been fission Hydrogen Bombs, implying fusion H bombs are somehow different, don't all Hydrogen Bombs have fission as it's trigger mechanism.
itsamess
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11:47am Sat 8 Oct 11
As i said--its all out there now and you are just trying to create an argument by spouting pure nonsense.
That does include the different trigger
details. But i know you have no interest in fact--it fails to meet your agenda.
Blackwell 2
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12:09pm Sat 8 Oct 11
Robfm
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12:19pm Sat 8 Oct 11
I am genuinely interested because I have 3 grandchildren whose futures depend on what we as a country are doing about our future energy needs.
Phantom Poster
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3:01pm Sat 8 Oct 11
itsamess wrote:Well, well "itsamess", european tax payer paid billions into the JET project and (as expected) didn't create commercially viable fusion. As a result, the worlds tax payers have decided to pump many more billions into the the ITER project.
Bob
As i said--its all out there now and you are just trying to create an argument by spouting pure nonsense.
That does include the different trigger
details. But i know you have no interest in fact--it fails to meet your agenda.
But wait..... had they only consulted the Adver comments section they would have discovered that commercially viable fusion was actually obtained in 1986!!
I bet there is a collective world banging of palms onto heads!
You really are a fantasist. I always love the way that everything you know is in secret papers somewhere which you can find but can never give links to!
Oh and let's just demonstrate you lack of knowledge of JET:
"P.P.
So you visited JET in the early 90s. Do
tell us where you applied for security
clearance and the well known phrase surrounding the gallery."
... oh dear, oh dear, snigger! I actually had a tour of the facility - I did so via someone I knew from work, who I believe used to work there. Sorry, to disappoint - but no security clearance required! You do realise that it's not a military facility, don't you?
Or to get more into "itsamess world", perhaps I went to Area 52 and found an alien developed invisibility cloak, which I used to penetrate the JET facility!
But please continue your posts "itsamess", reading them really are the highlight of my day. I sometimes look forward to getting back from work and relaxing by having a belly laugh at reading the posts you have made throughout the day!
Phantom Poster
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4:45pm Sat 8 Oct 11
"P.P.
So you visited JET in the early 90s. Do
tell us where you applied for security
clearance and the well known phrase surrounding the gallery."
In the 90's you think that they had security which involved uttering a secret password??
Not only that, but you think that they had a "gallery"!! Yes, the tokamak was actually a glass tube which allowed an audience to view the glowing plasma from an encircling "gallery"!
Robfm
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6:36pm Sat 8 Oct 11
yreview.com/energy/3
8567/?mod=related
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7:32pm Sat 8 Oct 11
Is messy really a fruitloop?
Will he ever take the ugly barman to court?
Who IS itsamess?
Keep watching folks!
daws
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8:01pm Sat 8 Oct 11
Robfm
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8:39pm Sat 8 Oct 11
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8:48pm Sat 8 Oct 11
itsamess
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10:56pm Sat 8 Oct 11
2 posts that clearly demonstrate why
you never followed a career in physics.
Security-All uk nuclear facilities and staff come within specific acts which are enshrined within the Official Secrets Acts. Events in recent days in
regard to a visitor of Liam Fox at his
Dept and the claim no access to any
classified materials was possible.
Your remark you went with a friend from work who you believe used to work together--yes. Sorry specific security clearance is reqd--by law.
JET is a term used for a project and was initially funded by 4 countries. It
was a mixture of 4 countries technology and reactors. The USA in fact withdrew from the group to pursue a different technology.
There are 4 JET facilities in 3 countries.
Quite hilarious is your description of Tokamak being a glass tube and viewing the plasma--both ridiculous
remarks as basic information would tell you tokamak is a device creating the magnetic field in the reactor. The plasma cannot be viewed by the naked eye in the same way as the so called-ahem 'volunteers' witnessed all
or most of the nuclear tests.
What makes you think i do not believe a word you say.
If by chance you read the link our bob
provided you would note it is an american article by a group that support the american project and actively fund raise for them. The article is a direct copy in the same mag 12 months prior which was an attempt to rebut declassified material
released a few days earlier.
Against my better judgement i would
advise anyone to check out the asian
projects with 2 magnetic fields and
responsible for 3 other countries very
openly demonstatrating their fusion
reactors--which of course many say
do not exist.
I Too
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12:30am Sun 9 Oct 11
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12:32am Sun 9 Oct 11
I Too
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12:34am Sun 9 Oct 11
itsamess
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12:50am Sun 9 Oct 11
12-32------ who?
12-34-------no--asia moved there.
Robfm
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7:27am Sun 9 Oct 11
As repeatedly pointed out the earliest date for a test generator is 2035.
Robfm
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7:36am Sun 9 Oct 11
' Re: Erection of 3 no. 120m. high wind turbines with associated access tracks and hard standing areas, with further environmental information for the impact of an alternative option for 2 wind turbines.'
Honda/Ecoelectric were advised by the Planners that the alternative solution did not radically alter the application and thus with 3 week consultation period as prescribed, no new application was required, which is why the application is still listed as 3, not the sinister connotation put on it by others.
itsamess
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7:45am Sun 9 Oct 11
itsamess
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8:05am Sun 9 Oct 11
3 is your interpretation--whic
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Robfm
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9:04am Sun 9 Oct 11
Had the application 'head' been altered there would have had to be a new application. or at the very least the current one withdrawn and a complete new set of drawings etc put through, and believe me I know that to be true because I've had to do it when we built the first phase of the motel.
The way it's been pragmatically been handled above seems to have been the best option, so stop trying to cause another argument.
By the way still waiting to know as to when the first commercially viable electricity generating, grid supplying fusion power station is to go on line.
itsamess
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9:46am Sun 9 Oct 11
Fusion--ah yes--all the information is
online and numerous sites are still updating. However it is not really part of your agenda to prove yourself wrong is it? I must admit i was very
surprised to see 2 different sites where photos are claimed to be JET as
one is an FBR the other an EAST and
not part of any of the JET projects.
I Too
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10:40am Sun 9 Oct 11
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10:42am Sun 9 Oct 11
Gooey
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10:44am Sun 9 Oct 11
Robfm
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10:50am Sun 9 Oct 11
As for not proving myself wrong, I wish to know if there is a a Fusion Powered Nuclear Electricity Generating plant feeding any grid on a commercial basis anywhere in the world. That is a question. I believe, if we are to believe the hundreds if not thousands of reports on the internet, from those engaged on the projects, including those you claim to know and work with they at best give 2035 as the earliest test date for a test generator.
As for FBR's, not very successful are they http://www.world-nuc
lear.org/info/inf98.
html
But I'm sure this vast array of technical information will be out of date or simply wrong, even though it's Aug 2011.
itsamess
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12:36pm Sun 9 Oct 11
Once again you totally miss the point
as you appear unable to remember
what you wrote.
I did not ask who--- i pointed out para3 which you claimed a source who does not want to be named does
not seem familar with who the applicants for the turbines are. Or was that your error.
As i have said and pointed out the only article you appear to rely on for your claims was an american sponsored mag re-stating earlier claims which are outdated since the release of previously classified info.
Try looking at some of the parliamentary committees questioning
of nuclear scientists--and you might even work out who i am.
I mentioned FBRs only as a point of fact by virtue of 2 scientific nuclear sites had 2 different photos of JET
reactors and neither were. One being an FBR(fission) the other one is
the EAST project(fusion) which is not
a JET project.
How do you believe to be able to debate a subject you very clearly do not have the most basic of knowledge of. Ok so all you need to do is pull up
the database of world nuclear facilities
from the very beginning of nuclear generation which classifies the type and output of all known plants.
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5:47pm Sun 9 Oct 11
Robfm
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6:48pm Sun 9 Oct 11
So you are still not going to tell us where this commercially viable Fusion Nuclear Plant is generating electricity into a grid or when we can expect it.
Scrumping
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7:56pm Sun 9 Oct 11
Punctured bicycle on a hillside wrote:Never a truer word said.
You are a LIAR Robbo - as everyone knows.
itsamess
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8:32pm Sun 9 Oct 11
You are just a blundering fool as all that information your whoever gave you is nothing new--however in your
little story you say Honda and Ecolectric--the application was by
H.U.K/Ecotricity. All the the details as to the application were online and the
additional assessments were added
although deemed not required and added nothing new to the application.
H.U.K. made an offer of changes and
the council stated the application stands as it was--and that was in the adver--the rest was pure speculation.
Thus your informant added nothing that was already known.
As for the fusion facts--bobby if i gave you a document proving the facts signed by your god--the queen
and gadaffi--you would provide a link
you had found that suits you and likely 30 yrs old revamped. You are in fact the consumate king of B/S.
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8:55pm Sun 9 Oct 11
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Robfm
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10:23pm Sun 9 Oct 11
Trying to be flash Walter HUK means Honda of the UK Manufacturing the UK parent company of Honda in the UK.
Punctured bicycle on a hillside
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8:19am Mon 10 Oct 11
for using acromins?
That's a bit rich coming from you Robbo, you use acronims as often as you possibly can in your pathetic attempts to look intelligent. As well as the odd bit of latin (that you probably learned off the side of beer bottles) thrown in for good measure.
In a real business environment meeting with genuinely intelligent people you would be laughed out of the room.
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8:37am Mon 10 Oct 11
As for Walters acronym it's wrong anyway, Honda actually use HUM.
tyler66
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8:50am Mon 10 Oct 11
Blackwell 2
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12:50pm Mon 10 Oct 11
tyler66 wrote:Which 2 are you referring to?
I know nothing of wind turbines or nuclear fusion. Is this thread going to get deleted because of childish arguing again. What is it with you two?
Bloghogfm and Itsamess?
Or Bloghogfm and Punctured?
Or BloghogFm and someone else?
tyler66
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1:20pm Mon 10 Oct 11
Gooey
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1:32pm Mon 10 Oct 11
tyler66
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1:37pm Mon 10 Oct 11
Gooey wrote:That was a belter!
Ironic that the two biggest windbags have clogged up the page about ill wind. They certainly talk a load of guff
Blackwell 2
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3:06pm Mon 10 Oct 11
Robfm
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4:52pm Mon 10 Oct 11
itsamess
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5:10pm Mon 10 Oct 11
You are correct Honda is part of the
general company and on the planning application it heads as Honda of the UK Manufacturing. Therefore as an acronym either HUK or HUM suffice.
That was not the issue-----------You claimed your 'contact' after you received your notification from SBC. You described in para 3 of your 7-36 am post of sun the planning application as unchanged and it was all down to the connotations of others
I questioned why your 'contact' had (a) mis-identified the applicants as
Honda/Ecoelectric?
The second company being Ecotricity.
(b) Those claims having been reported
in the adver previously as Honda had
simply stated they were prepared to
make a compromise-but had addressed the environmental impact
by providing other independent reports for the hearing-but the application remained the same--and the council agreed.
Coincidentally on the Honda site as to
UK interests they claim Ecotricity as one of their companies.
As for the rest of you folks who object to bobby raising nuclear issues
i suggest you refer your remarks in his direction--there is no prospects of
any form of nuclear plant here as the
environment is unsuitable.
For those who wish to take advantage
of grants and incentives to reduce your energy bills do consider roof mounted solar panels from uk companies and manufactured here.
Support wind turbines--even though as claimed they could supply 5000 homes as no wind turbine yet has achieved full power.
Robfm
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5:54pm Mon 10 Oct 11
I note you are again twisting words to suit your previous error, nothing new there then. Anyway as you won't answer a basic question nothing further to say on the matter. The application will no doubt be subject to disruption.
itsamess
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7:16pm Mon 10 Oct 11
Not twisting anything and for the benefit of all readers--if you just search google--honda uk ecotricity--there is an article--Honda,Swind
on-our green energy-ecotricity--i
t gives the partnership agreement and indeed
3 click on informations as to the planning issues and importantly the letters to residents and the ability to address any issues to honda@ecotricity.
Your 'contact' i would suggest is no more than either the article or the letter to residents. Another case of you trying to big yourself up.
It does not suit you to find accurate
data as to fusion as that would be against your claims previously--not forgetting you have never worked in the nuclear industry and have no science qualifications other than your
wholly inaccurate interpretation of now out of date information.
Pleased to hear you have nothing to say on the matter--can we take your word on that?
Robfm
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7:30pm Mon 10 Oct 11
itsamess
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7:51pm Mon 10 Oct 11
FACT you had no priveleged information as honda/ecotricity as a partnership had written to local residents--saying what you claimed
your unnamed 'contact' informed you.
Pull the other one bobby--its got bells on.
Gooey
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8:31pm Mon 10 Oct 11
itsamess
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8:40pm Mon 10 Oct 11
Gooey
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8:45pm Mon 10 Oct 11
itsamess wrote:Mocking your idiocy is much more fun.
Nothing to say about the article again then Gooey?
Punctured bicycle on a hillside
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10:58pm Mon 10 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:
Punctured, at least I would get into the room, unlike you.
As for Walters acronym it's wrong anyway, Honda actually use HUM.
Punctured, at least I would get into the room, unlike youRobbo, you wouldn't be fit to man the bar on the seldom occasion we have one - stick to what you know - beer and nuts.
itsamess
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11:19pm Mon 10 Oct 11
Blackwell 2
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11:56pm Mon 10 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:And why not?
Didn't take Tyler long to join the cabal.
Robfm
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7:21am Tue 11 Oct 11
You will not illicit the source so keep making yourself look the fool and fantasist you are. Your posts get more garbled and unintelligible by the day.
tyler66
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8:48am Tue 11 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:Way to go Bob, You obviously know how to make friends, Not!
Didn't take Tyler long to join the cabal.
If only Honda could capture and make use of a load of hot air. Hmm.....
There seems to be a sustainable supply here. Clever those Japanese!
itsamess
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9:06am Tue 11 Oct 11
It does not matter one jot who your source was as we all already knew what both the council and honda/ecotricity had said--which was
the application was unchanged.
In other words your 'source' and the council were a few days behind in telling you as it was released on the 8th.
Usual thing with you bob--everyone is
garbled when you are shown to be behind with news. Local TV-Radio and
papers all ran the story.
Robfm
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9:06am Tue 11 Oct 11
The PC thinks seats should be reserved for them and other speakers.
That's what happens when you believe mass demonstrations are the democratic answer.
Robfm
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9:49am Tue 11 Oct 11
itsamess
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10:32am Tue 11 Oct 11
And at 9-04
If the council reject 3--on your words
new drawings would have to be submitted and a new application--and you know as you claim as it happened
to you.
Honda's green credentials are very good as they already have biomass and solar panels-they have added the
hydrogen fuelling station and quite a list of other green products.
Robfm
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11:10am Tue 11 Oct 11
Off you go again Walter, the solar panels aren't theirs they've merely done a deal to allow the hook up in return for electricity. As it happens SMPC have written to SBC to clarify the position over the panels contributing to the villages electricity. So at least we are making progress.
Gooey
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11:30am Tue 11 Oct 11
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tyler66
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11:31am Tue 11 Oct 11
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itsamess
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11:47am Tue 11 Oct 11
itsamess
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11:51am Tue 11 Oct 11
Not theirs FFS they are on their roof
of their building.
Robfm
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12:47pm Tue 11 Oct 11
I Too
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12:47pm Tue 11 Oct 11
tyler66 wrote:Nah!
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itsamess
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12:58pm Tue 11 Oct 11
Honda/Ecotricity. Been there some time.
Robfm
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1:08pm Tue 11 Oct 11
itsamess
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1:31pm Tue 11 Oct 11
7 posts since you said you have nothing to say.
No i am quite happy to go on sites that are verifiable. Dependent on which pc i am on.
Robfm
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1:35pm Tue 11 Oct 11
As for not posting again merely following your lead, how many times have you said it, that would be dozens, but when you post more fallacy it has to be challenged.
oldlegtrailer
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2:00pm Tue 11 Oct 11
itsamess
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2:03pm Tue 11 Oct 11
Dont forget--its very easy to build a very small device in your back garden
which is noiseless and can heat a 4 bedroomed house for a few pence per
day.
dc the 2nd
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4:37pm Tue 11 Oct 11
oldlegtrailer wrote:classy
All you making comments in favour of the turbines all live miles away from the biggest causer of pollution in Swindon. Stratton people are sick of Honda, the traffic, noise and air pollution, the stink from their foundry and now the Windmill noise. If you are so keen on supporting them why dont' you ".... off" to Japan with them and help them build some there. Jap lovers
blahblahblahblah
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5:06pm Tue 11 Oct 11
oldlegtrailer wrote:got to love the nimby, this post also proving their hatred for anything not "local" or Racism as we call it i nthe real world.
All you making comments in favour of the turbines all live miles away from the biggest causer of pollution in Swindon. Stratton people are sick of Honda, the traffic, noise and air pollution, the stink from their foundry and now the Windmill noise. If you are so keen on supporting them why dont' you ".... off" to Japan with them and help them build some there. Jap lovers
macca.y
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11:18am Wed 12 Oct 11
for all those who are against the wind turbines get a life. honda are just trying to do there bit for the carbon foot print...
A few comments on her saying SM residents are sick of Honda cause the traffic and smell etc, Really..... they really cant be that bothered about it cause they still live there... If anybody was not happy with where they live cause it smelt, they would move......MAybe they should move to rodbourne and enjoy the lovely scent there...lol...Cabbag
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AGINGER
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9:56am Thu 13 Oct 11
Robfm
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10:37am Thu 13 Oct 11
I walk frequently into the village and have to say I do not recognise any obnoxious smells, except when a car goes past with the driver smoking.
Malkym
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3:42pm Thu 13 Oct 11
I Too wrote:Bit like the objections to building on the Coate slag-heap then?
I'm convinced that some of the objection claims are farcical, unless the sails are 2ft away from windows etc. Ill Wind? Makes me think of methane, if you know what I mean
itsamess says...
11:01pm Thu 6 Oct 11
refusal of the application. Some of the flaws in the original plan have been ironed out and the planners are
supporting the application.
Trying to use scottish law is very contentious--unless of course we adopt many of their laws. How many of this Illwind protest group are from SM or directly as they claim affected?
I have relatives in the village who know most of the villagers and are clear there are few who believe they will be affected.
Despite the fact that these turbines
will never produce the maximum power and with new technology in progress to improve and remove most
of the perceived dangers which only apply in the rarest of conditions i see no reason to refuse this application.