Council says no to wind turbines (From Swindon Advertiser)
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Council says no to wind turbines
11:43pm Thursday 13th October 2011 in News
THERE was a standing ovation at the Wyvern Theatre tonight as hundreds of members of public performed miracles to prevent the erection of wind turbines at the Honda plant in South Marston.
At a special meeting of the planning committee held at the Wyvern Theatre councillors rejected Honda's application to build three wind turbines with nine councillors voting against the plans.
Speaking after the decision chairman of the Ill Wind campaign group Des Fitzpatrick, 64, of South Marston, said: ”I am delighted with the result, it is tremendous.
“It speaks very well for all the people here and for the council.
“I just hope Honda, in light of this, will not appeal and will begin repairing the damage they have done to the community.”
Comments(205)
Malkym
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12:27am Fri 14 Oct 11
Antonio Lorusso
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4:23am Fri 14 Oct 11
If you think truth or justice won here today, you are naive about politics and the nature of government.
STFCLetsGetRocked
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4:58am Fri 14 Oct 11
I hope that the good people of South Marston will now be allowed to live a peaceful life once again.
Turbines are not only a blot on the landscape - they are completely ineffective and are switched off when - and I quote - 'the wrong type of wind is blowing'.
Big business lost, the people won. Thank Jesus we live in a democracy!
itsamess
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6:39am Fri 14 Oct 11
peatmoor pirate
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6:52am Fri 14 Oct 11
Malkym wrote:Why do you need to be personally offensive to someone unrelated to this story? Bizarre, pointless and rude.
Does that mean "Gentleman Jim D'avila" will be picketing it? When's he going to get a proper job!
oldlegtrailer
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7:39am Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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7:58am Fri 14 Oct 11
If Honda appeal, and given they are targeted with a 20% carbon foot print reduction as all businesses are in the UK thanks to the Coalition, it is likely they will win because it is part of EU/HMG renewables policy.
This will cost us all probably £100k in costs.
Moon Raker
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8:42am Fri 14 Oct 11
I can only hope Honda appeal and common sense prevails, unfortunately common sense is a commodity rare in 'Middle England' these days.
Marstonite
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8:55am Fri 14 Oct 11
Thanks for your valued internet searched comments once again Bob.. always lovely to hear what you have to say.... Again, and again, and again... Never gets even the teeny weeniest boring!...
Robfm
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8:56am Fri 14 Oct 11
Other residents did understand and didn't get involved. As I said the Councillors have acted in a cowardly way, you only have to glance at the Planning Committee list to know there are Councillors who probably would struggle to keep their ward seats being the surrounding wards, the Chairman being probably the most high profile casualty.
stfcphil
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8:57am Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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9:00am Fri 14 Oct 11
Many SM residents simply didn't want to get involved as they were all too aware of the vitriol towards those who disagreed.
Marstonite
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9:11am Fri 14 Oct 11
Mind you, this case has been going on for longer than a year... It was back then that most of us mistook your pub for a friendly 'Village' one... The way it used to be...haha
TheBlackHand
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9:11am Fri 14 Oct 11
Gooey
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9:12am Fri 14 Oct 11
600m from the nearest home was more than reasonable. Look around the nation,there are loads of turbines with homes-hotels etc within a few metres of them. Shame on all those who voted against Honda....
TheBlackHand
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9:17am Fri 14 Oct 11
Gooey wrote:Perhaps you will offer your front garden to HUM so that they can put a turbine close to you as you seem to want one
What a stupid and short sighted decison by our awful council. The selfish nimbys have won(how many brown envelopes changed hands?) But we need to embrace different ways of creating energy as we are slowly desrtoying the planet. The nimbys may do without the turbines,but what kind of world will their kids-grandkids and great grandkids live in? 600m from the nearest home was more than reasonable. Look around the nation,there are loads of turbines with homes-hotels etc within a few metres of them. Shame on all those who voted against Honda....
Annalyse
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9:19am Fri 14 Oct 11
Gooey
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9:19am Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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9:24am Fri 14 Oct 11
Gooey
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9:27am Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:I heard some who didn't want to get involved were shunned by others. You have certainly not done yourself any favours with the nimbys and you live there. I have to take my hat off to you for not hiding your beliefs on this issue,even if you lose customers.
Marstonite, the Illwind objections have been well rehearsed, even on one occasion in our pub. Problem of course there is rarely a fact amongst them. Many SM residents simply didn't want to get involved as they were all too aware of the vitriol towards those who disagreed.
Annalyse
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9:29am Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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9:39am Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse
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9:46am Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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9:50am Fri 14 Oct 11
If we have lost the custom of those bigots well !!!!!!
AGINGER
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9:50am Fri 14 Oct 11
Thank you all the learned suppliers of truthful facts and figures who helped us in this, establishing facts which were hidden from us all,yes, I can use the web but many villagers are without.
Some of the bloggers here are only "passing trade" many of our families have ROOTS in the villages and in fact have a right to be heard even though the applicant may be a multi national Giant.
I mow my grass with a Honda.
A.Baron-Cohen
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9:54am Fri 14 Oct 11
the optimist
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9:54am Fri 14 Oct 11
I suspect Honda will now think long and hard whether they decide to expand or even stay in Swindon.
I travel up north quite often and it is not unusual to see wind turbine in the countryside and even on Council buildings in town centres. They are not noisy or unsightly. It just takes getting used to them as it did pylons.
On the ECO front, how many of these nimby’s have ever complained about their energy bills? This should go to appeal and I hope the developers win and apply for costs against the council. The cost can be added to the nimby’s council tax bill next year.
The Real Librarian
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9:59am Fri 14 Oct 11
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You are a bunch of idiots who always oppose anything new.
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Pathetic.
Annalyse
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10:00am Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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10:03am Fri 14 Oct 11
As for armchair activist how bizarre, do you live in the village. I think if you did you will know that I was one of a small group who walked miles in and around the village after the 2007 floods and produced a flood relief plan.
I have been involved with many activities to help the village, including the turbines,but don't shout about it, I have spoken to many villagers who were ambivalent or intimidated into signing the petition.
I wrote to the planning committee outlining my personal views.
Please feel free to be abusive, that says more about you than me.
The Real Librarian
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10:04am Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse says...
9:46am Fri 14 Oct 11
Im not "illwind" my name is Anna :) and I dont like you because you are an armchair activist and an opinionated bore! This has nothing to do with the wind turbines as this debate can not be made personal to someone who has had NOTHING what so ever to do with it...Apart from being a keyboard comando! You do alot of talking but add nothing to the debate... What exactly is your point??
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What a revolting post.
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You are entirely typical of the stupid NIMBY numptys who won a temprary victory last night on the basis of lies and scaremongering, like your so-called report, written by an incompetent ex-EHO who has already helped other groups to lose court cases with their invented evidence.
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I hope the turbines are built - soon, and that the council surcharge 'Ill Wind,' for the legal costs, and frankly, given your comments here, I hope they build one of them in your f*cking garden."
The Real Librarian
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10:09am Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse says...
10:00am Fri 14 Oct 11
. The council are aiming to support Honda in any way possible to achieve its goal but NOT at the expense of the health, safety and well being of the local residents! Why is that so difficult to understand??? I personally can not comprahend the level of anger at residents who want to protect their families!!
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The anger is because stupid luddites like you wander around bleating about Health concerns, but you have NO EVIDENCE of any risk.
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All your claims about evidence of health problems are complete nonsense. Your so-called evidence isn’t worth the paper it is printed on. The people you quote are nutters, as mad as the “9-11 Truthers,” or the idiots who claim that the Americans never landed on the Moon, or our own local half-wit who is constantly whining about Wi-Fi zones.
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You are like Maud Flanders, constantly wailing “Won’t someone think of the children,” running around and having hysterics about nothing.
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THERE ARE NO HEALTH RISKS WITH WIND TURBINES.
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Grow up!
The Real Librarian
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10:09am Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse says...
10:00am Fri 14 Oct 11
. The council are aiming to support Honda in any way possible to achieve its goal but NOT at the expense of the health, safety and well being of the local residents! Why is that so difficult to understand??? I personally can not comprahend the level of anger at residents who want to protect their families!!
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The anger is because stupid luddites like you wander around bleating about Health concerns, but you have NO EVIDENCE of any risk.
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All your claims about evidence of health problems are complete nonsense. Your so-called evidence isn’t worth the paper it is printed on. The people you quote are nutters, as mad as the “9-11 Truthers,” or the idiots who claim that the Americans never landed on the Moon, or our own local half-wit who is constantly whining about Wi-Fi zones.
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You are like Maud Flanders, constantly wailing “Won’t someone think of the children,” running around and having hysterics about nothing.
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THERE ARE NO HEALTH RISKS WITH WIND TURBINES.
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Grow up!
A.Baron-Cohen
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10:11am Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse wrote:I appreciate that the council made a decision in favour of local residents health, safety and wellbeing, this is what we elected our representatives for. Unfortunately I fear that Honda workers families might struggle to put food on the table for their kids as a result.
Not ONE person at that meeting was against wind turbines are green energy of ANY kind and it was suggested that solar panels might be the way forward. The council are aiming to support Honda in any way possible to achieve its goal but NOT at the expense of the health, safety and well being of the local residents! Why is that so difficult to understand??? I personally can not comprahend the level of anger at residents who want to protect their families!!
My personal opinion is that this council is short sighted and unable to consider the town's long term needs in order to grow and prosper.
This is a very democratic decision, however it will cost Swindon.
Annalyse
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10:14am Fri 14 Oct 11
itsamess
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10:18am Fri 14 Oct 11
If Honda/Ecotricity appeal this decision the government inspector is highly likely to approve it as there is no valid reason to turn it down. The Council have simply passed it over as they are conscious of the full elections next year.
I wonder how these protesters will be feeling when this same Council will be voting in mass housing projects in and around their areas.
Greener energy is a must-particularly
in our town as like it or not we are one of the highest polluted towns in the country and higher than many cities. Protesters as to viable energy sources do not accept wind turbines do create a decent amount of power
and allow the land to be used for the
growing of food products and animal products. Consider the 2 local solar
farms covering 65 acres of farmland
which even if they reached full power
could never produce anywhere near the power of a wind farm and still allow crops to be grown or grazing for animals--there is a world shortage of food. Each mill will save large scale savings on the fossil fuels to power
your lovely cars.
The protesters who have tried to prevent the nuclear plants being built
are responsible for the dominance of the french who quite happily accept
european funding which we contribute to to build new plants and
buy out our energy companies and put up our energy prices to extortionate levels. How many elderly
or disabled will perish this winter due to delaying valuable sources of energy
and cuts to incomes with rapidly increasing prices here to throw away
our energy sources that have the highest safety record in the world.
Robfm
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10:29am Fri 14 Oct 11
Dale Heenan said so on BBC this morning. He, whether deliberately or otherwise has given Honda grounds for appeal, aesthetics forms no part of the planning process.
Annalyse
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10:29am Fri 14 Oct 11
The Real Librarian
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10:29am Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse says...
10:14am Fri 14 Oct 11
You call me stupid - yet you CLEARLY can NOT read!!! I am not a member of illwind as I have already stated.
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You support their aims and therefore you are affiliated.
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I am a resident of south marston and I have conducted my own research regarding the effects of wind turbines so close to residential housing.
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So have I and I am aware there are no proven negative effects.
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I actually have a degree in research methods
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So you have a degree in Statistical analysis. Well done you. I, by contrast have a BSc and a multi-disciplinary background, so I actually know what I am talking about and have the training to understand it.
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AND I (unlike you) attended the meeting last night, or where you there with the other 5 wind turbine supporters!?
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I was not because I didn’t think even our local councillors would be so utterly and tragically stupid as to side with the Luddites. I am spitting teeth this morning at the utter cowardice and unscientific stupidity they have shown. Swindon had the chance to take a stand and participate in a growth industry of the future, and instead they listened to a bunch of slack-jawed inbreds who were wimpering about the sky falling on their heads. Its pathetic.
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Like itsamess says the government inspector is highly likely to approve this plan as there is no good reason not to. The councillors were yellow bellied because of the pending election and the unsubstantiated fears of windbags like you.
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Greener energy is the future, and you are wrong.
Annalyse
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10:35am Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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10:38am Fri 14 Oct 11
There would be no scientific developments that have transformed lives, or extended lives, no drugs, no replacement limb, no heart transplants etc.
For years we have polluted the atmosphere to the detriment on communities, with cars, dirty manufacturing processes etc.
How ironic that there are those who wish object to a process that doesn't do this.
Annalyse
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10:40am Fri 14 Oct 11
I was not because I didn’t think even our local councillors would be so utterly and tragically stupid as to side with the Luddites. I am spitting teeth this morning at the utter cowardice and unscientific stupidity they have shown. Swindon had the chance to take a stand and participate in a growth industry of the future, and instead they listened to a bunch of slack-jawed inbreds who were wimpering about the sky falling on their heads. Its pathetic.
Slack jaw inbreds? lol you clearly were NOT there!
fedupagain
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10:41am Fri 14 Oct 11
It looks as though Swindon Planning committee are happy to pass ecofriendly applications when they stand to get good publicity and TV coverage but refuse permission when a large number of Swindon residents depend on this company for their livelihoods. Surely the question that should be asked is why their stance on being Eco-friendly can change from one application to the other, especially when so many residents local to the requested turbines appear not to have any objections to them.
Annalyse
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10:49am Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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10:50am Fri 14 Oct 11
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Completely independent report:
May, 2011 i
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Wind power has been identified as a clean renewable energy source that does not contribute to global
warming and is without known emissions or harmful wastes. Although wind power has been harnessed as a
source of power for several decades around the world, debate is ongoing with respect to the relationship
between reported health effects and wind turbines, specifically in terms of audible and inaudible noise. People
interested in this debate turn to two sources of information in order to make informed decisions: scientific
peer-reviewed studies published in scientific journals and the popular literature and internet. The purpose of
this report is to provide results of a review of the peer-reviewed scientific literature, government (medical)
agency reports on wind turbine health effects, and the most prominent information found in the popular
literature. We found that conclusions of the peer reviewed literature differ in some ways from the conclusions
of the studies published in the popular literature. In the peer reviewed studies, wind turbine annoyance has
been statistically associated with wind turbine noise, but found to be more strongly related to subjective
factors like visual impact, attitude to wind turbines in general and sensitivity to noise. To date, no peer
reviewed scientific journal articles have identified a causal link between people living in proximity to modern
wind turbines, the noise (audible, low frequency noise, or infrasound) they emit and resulting physiological
health effects. In the popular literature, self-reported health outcomes are related to distance from turbines
and the claim is made that infrasound is the causative factor for the reported effects, even though sound
pressure levels are not measured. What both types of studies have in common is the conclusion that wind
turbines can be a source of annoyance for some people. The literature suggests that annoyance-related
effects can be managed and mitigated through behavioural and cognitive behavioural intervention
The Real Librarian
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10:51am Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse says...
10:35am Fri 14 Oct 11
Erm... I have a Bsc also but fail to see the relevence? I still am not seeing any evidence to refute the reports which clearly conclude there ARE effects to health and well being!?? If calling me a windbag is your idea of conducting a debate I would love to read one of your reports HA HA HA I am guessing they must have been marked quite low!! Did you end up with a third just for turing up and writing your name on the paper :)
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2:1 Hons thank-you very much.
My view is summed up by the conclusion of one extensive report into all the claimed health detriments of turbines which said
“In summary, as long as the Ministry of Environment Guidelines for
location criteria of wind farms are followed, it is my opinion that there
will be negligible adverse health impacts on local citizens.
Although opposition to wind farms on aesthetic grounds is a legitimate
point of view, opposition to wind farms on the basis of potential adverse
health consequences is not justified by the evidence.”
Annalyse says...
10:40am Fri 14 Oct 11
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Slack jaw inbreds? lol you clearly were NOT there!
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As I said, no.
I will be getting involved from now on though.
RSThomo
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10:53am Fri 14 Oct 11
The Real Librarian
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10:58am Fri 14 Oct 11
10:49am Fri 14 Oct 11
Bob im sorry but you really do talk a load of old b***x!! This is not about progress it’s about taking unreasonable risks with people's health!!
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As report after report conclusively demonstrates, there are no risks.
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How about you stop flapping hysterically and tell us what these risks are, providing a link to an authoritative source that backs it up.
Annalyse
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11:05am Fri 14 Oct 11
How about you stop flapping hysterically and tell us what these risks are, providing a link to an authoritative source that backs it up.
You mean you have not sought this information yourself? Had you actually been AT THE MEETING! You would have been party to the wealth of evidence that shows a multitude of health risks that result from inappropriately located wind turbines! 6 HOURS worth! While you were sitting at home watching corrie I was at this meeting which puts me in a position to make an informed choice?
Robfm
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11:07am Fri 14 Oct 11
Perhaps we could take the noise issue, the Turbines at full speed would generate 35 to 45db's. The late night noise level for South Marston and Stratton has been measured at 55db's.
So Annalyse could you explain how anyone could distinguish the turbine noise from the road and ambient noise.
RSThomo
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11:08am Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse wrote:Please tell me why is it a problem to your health is it coz of power if so u must live in a cave as your power sockets round u in you house is bad for your health to and if it noise well I believe the people live next to a419 witch is noise problem to your health to why dont u appeal to that to ha ha ha what a joke
Bob im sorry but you really do talk a load of old b***x!! This is not about progress its about taking unreasonable risks with people's health!!
Gooey
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11:10am Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse wrote:What health risks are they then? Why are turbines operating in many locations nearer to homes than those proposed by Honda?
Bob im sorry but you really do talk a load of old b***x!! This is not about progress its about taking unreasonable risks with people's health!!
asimo
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11:13am Fri 14 Oct 11
Al Smith
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11:14am Fri 14 Oct 11
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The decision will be overturned on appeal.
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The plans will be forced through due to new planning guidelines - "presumed consent in favour of sustainable development".
Annalyse
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11:25am Fri 14 Oct 11
Gooey
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11:33am Fri 14 Oct 11
Davidsyrett
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11:34am Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:So what your saying Bob is that it's OK to nearly double the late night noise polution by putting up 3 windmills in the stratton/SM area. You also conveniently forget that the turbines can be running constantly where as traffic is only occasional.
She's probably read the Illwind leaflets. Perhaps we could take the noise issue, the Turbines at full speed would generate 35 to 45db's. The late night noise level for South Marston and Stratton has been measured at 55db's. So Annalyse could you explain how anyone could distinguish the turbine noise from the road and ambient noise.
Thank goodness the council had the guts to finally turn down a Honda application, this would have been a total blot on the landscape just like in Watchfield, Hopefully Honda will now realise that it has to live within a community and not try and walk all over it.
The Real Librarian
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11:35am Fri 14 Oct 11
11:05am Fri 14 Oct 11
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You mean you have not sought this information yourself?
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As I have already said, I have investigated the research on this issue and found no evidence of any Health Risks.
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Had you actually been AT THE MEETING! You would have been party to the wealth of evidence that shows a multitude of health risks that result from inappropriately located wind turbines! 6 HOURS worth!
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Had I been at the meeting I would have heard a lot of idiots talk a lot of nonsense.
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Since you were at the meeting, and have read the leaflets, perhaps you could tell me which is the biggest concern that you have.
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Noise?
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Flicker?
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Turbine blades breaking off?
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Tell us your biggest worry, and we will end your concerns by providing you with evidence to show you there is no need to worry.
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While you were sitting at home watching corrie I was at this meeting which puts me in a position to make an informed choice?
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I don’t watch much TV and especially not Soaps. If you think that a hysterical planning meeting is a valid source of info then its no wonder you have concerns.
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In the real world, sensible people use rigorous scientific research to identify any concerns, and there is plenty of research but no identified concerns.
Davidsyrett
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11:36am Fri 14 Oct 11
Gooey wrote:Bear in mind they were built in a field and not in a residential area, and still an eyesore
Remember when the Watchfield turbines were proposed? The same lame protests and reasons against were made then. Thankfully sense was seen then and hopefully it will again.
itsamess
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11:44am Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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11:46am Fri 14 Oct 11
David db output doesn't double because another noise source has a similar level.
As for the road noise living close to the A420 and the railway the noise level is constant and seemingly louder at night and in the small hours. That doesn't actually make it louder.
AndySN3
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11:55am Fri 14 Oct 11
How many people attending the meeting rely directly or indirectly on Honda for their incomes and security?
I am from South Marston, and for the recored did not attend, and did not object to the plans, despite weekly letters being pushed through my letterbox.
I am sure the same people are now waiting for the next bandwagon to jump on!!
Gooey
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11:55am Fri 14 Oct 11
Davidsyrett wrote:They look great. I'd guess around the same distance from homes than Honda's will be.
Gooey wrote: Remember when the Watchfield turbines were proposed? The same lame protests and reasons against were made then. Thankfully sense was seen then and hopefully it will again.Bear in mind they were built in a field and not in a residential area, and still an eyesore
Annalyse
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11:57am Fri 14 Oct 11
RSThomo
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11:57am Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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12:09pm Fri 14 Oct 11
The Real Librarian
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12:09pm Fri 14 Oct 11
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Noise?
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Flicker?
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Turbine blades breaking off?
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Tell us your biggest worry, and we will end your concerns by providing you with evidence to show you there is no need to worry.
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So what is it?
oldlegtrailer
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12:11pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Davidsyrett
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12:17pm Fri 14 Oct 11
The Real Librarian wrote:prehaps he just dosen't like them! If you dont want to see a giant windmill in your backyard, you dont need a raeson you can just say NO, that is what is called democracy!!
Annalyse I asked you perhaps you could tell me which is the biggest concern that you have. . Noise? . Flicker? . Turbine blades breaking off? . Tell us your biggest worry, and we will end your concerns by providing you with evidence to show you there is no need to worry. . So what is it?
Robfm
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12:19pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Even the chap who owns the guest house, the nearest property was specifically asked, and that was his major concern.
I was also deeply concerned about Honda MD's response to a direct question from Dale Heenan, contrary to earlier claims that Honda ruled out leaving Mike Godfreys response made it very clear that given the down turn in production and rising costs ultimately a global corporate decision may have to be made. Of course I am paraphrasing but nothing is ruled in or out.
The Patrician
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12:22pm Fri 14 Oct 11
asimo
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12:23pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Malkym wrote:Malkym,
Does that mean "Gentleman Jim D'avila" will be picketing it? When's he going to get a proper job!
This has nothing to do with Jim D'avila so what is your point and as for picketing what are you going on about ? I can't recall anywhere in these postings where Jim has commented for or against Honda's proposals so may be you could enlighten us all with your drivel. Let's not personalise or politicise this story for some other reason other than the merits of the story should be about,
" DEMOCRACY " and why do you personify your weak points of view to trigger a debate that has nothing to do with this report. . .you small minded idiot!
1967marston
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12:27pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Bob - firstly you are wrong, as usual, but why do we all have to suffer your ill advised opinion? Nobody is saying you cant have one. just KEEP IT TO YOURSELF before you make yourself look any more ridiculous.
An appeal, if Honda are reckless enouigh to bring one, will fail.
The barrister speaking for Illwind (not professionaly) was clearly correct and 9 of the 12 planning members had the intelligence to recognise that fact.
If the Honda slaves on here had attended last night they will know what i am talking about. If you were not there last night your reply to this message will be ignored as you simply do not have the information required to comment.
Robfm
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12:30pm Fri 14 Oct 11
AndySN3
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12:31pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse wrote:You must be talking about a different Andy!!
Andy thats not what you said last night :O
I have listened to both sides of this argument at length, and both sides make valid points but they are then taken and twisted to back up their own agenda.
The world is a fast changing place, and the way I see it is we have to accept and embrace changes and try and leave something behind for our children.
Burning fossil fuels cannot go on, and if there are alternatives, they need to be looked at.
Robfm
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12:41pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Pray tell what am I wrong about.
Dale Heenan publicly stated the reason for turning it down was aesthetics. Planning law does not allow that as a reason. On that basis alone Honda would win an appeal.
I have listened to the clips being played all morning on Wiltshire radio including those from Des and others.
So because we weren't there you won't listen to others views. Very democratic of you.
What of the silent 150,000 other Swindon residents, or if you don't think they should have a view, then the 10,000 or so other residents in and around Honda, don't they count.
You clearly subscribe to the Animal Farm view of democracy.
RSThomo
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12:49pm Fri 14 Oct 11
oldlegtrailer wrote:Lol like u won when they put them up near shrivenham ha ha still dont know the reason why Honda can not have them health reason not good enough need hard facts why please that all I want
To all you greenies - we won so up yours! And we will win any appeal because we have strength in depth and with a bit of luck the new bill will have gone through parliament by then with minimum distances between private residences and commercial sites for windmill. Even if it goes through appeal there is always the option to picket their site and hold up production which is on the agenda - Stratton will win!
Robfm
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12:55pm Fri 14 Oct 11
I Too
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12:58pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse wrote:Despite being "pro-turbine", I think this is the best post ob this thread.
Im not "illwind" my name is Anna :) and I dont like you because you are an armchair activist and an opinionated bore! This has nothing to do with the wind turbines as this debate can not be made personal to someone who has had NOTHING what so ever to do with it...Apart from being a keyboard comando! You do alot of talking but add nothing to the debate... What exactly is your point??
It sums up BloghogFm very well.
He then goes on to demonstrate why.
1967marston
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1:06pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Explain your opening comment in reply to mine?
Please answer my first question?
If you believe you can have heard all the evidence and make a reasoned decision by listening to clips you are indeed sadly out of line.
You are so outspoken, why do you not speak in public?
I will place a wager with you that either Honda do not appeal or if they do, it will fail - do you accept ? If you lose, you guarantee you will never make your opinions known to the general public of Swindon again and if I lose I will eat in your pub (once)?
erihstliw
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1:06pm Fri 14 Oct 11
This is a typical Swindon lack of intelligence and politicians fear of losing seats has bubbled to the surface when a perfectly reasonable suggestion is put forward.
Robfm
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1:06pm Fri 14 Oct 11
1967marston
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1:07pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:Bob
There is one reason and one reason alone, the Councillors were putting self interest before the interests of all the people of Swindon, with an election next year a number of the Councillors with small majorities would likely lose their seats in the wards adjacent to Honda if they voted any other way, and as for the 3 who abstained what an absolute cop out.
You tool
beatyou
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1:11pm Fri 14 Oct 11
beatyou
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1:12pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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1:14pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Secondly it would be blatantly obvious why others would not speak at the meeting (however of course your are wrong Honda did, didn't they). The whole premise of the Illwind led campaign was about weight of numbers. That doesn't make it democratic.
As I said previously I have heard the 'reasons' rehearsed and have read Illwinds website and literature carefully, so hearing it regurgitated would not actually achieve a great deal.
You can believe what you like about the appeal, I heard what Mike Godfrey said, not the edited version used to suggest Honda were here to stay. He certainly didn't rule out leaving.
1967marston
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1:17pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Please do so, amend your last post accordingly and we will say no more about your schoolboy error.
Robfm
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1:18pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Time to vacate I think.
beatyou
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1:19pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Todays problem was peoples health.
We care for peoples well being and health.
This is not about money, economy or jobs.
Health is better than wealth.
We've Won, and we are a proud community fighting hard.
People will always try to bring us down, purely for the fact that We are above them.
Robfm
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1:22pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Malkym
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1:24pm Fri 14 Oct 11
asimo wrote:Asimo I took my lead from you regarding the idiot comment!- the patrician wrote "So when Honda decides that the Swindon site is no longer viable and pull out"etc...
Malkym wrote: Does that mean "Gentleman Jim D'avila" will be picketing it? When's he going to get a proper job!Malkym, This has nothing to do with Jim D'avila so what is your point and as for picketing what are you going on about ? I can't recall anywhere in these postings where Jim has commented for or against Honda's proposals so may be you could enlighten us all with your drivel. Let's not personalise or politicise this story for some other reason other than the merits of the story should be about, " DEMOCRACY " and why do you personify your weak points of view to trigger a debate that has nothing to do with this report. . .you small minded idiot!
So if that happened you can bet your bippy Jimbo would be on local TV spouting his usual diatribe about looking after the workforce - I'll wager you any amount of money you like that if Honda take off from SM - Jd'A wont be able to do diddly aquat to stop it! Unite they may be - definitely divided when the y fall!! Look at the last load of tosh about leaked e-mails etc - all a load of manure wasn't it and someone mischief making to start with - must have been cos it went away quicker than the titanic went down!
1967marston
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1:24pm Fri 14 Oct 11
The Real Librarian
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1:26pm Fri 14 Oct 11
The Real Librarian says...
12:09pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse I asked you perhaps you could tell me which is the biggest concern that you have.
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Still no reply, even though they went to the meeting.
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I guess Anna doesn't know what she is talking about.
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Point proven
Robfm
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1:26pm Fri 14 Oct 11
After all you have the support of the entire village???? don't you, so no fears on that front.
Anyway must go now.
Annalyse
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1:29pm Fri 14 Oct 11
To the person who asked what my concerns are! My main concern has always been the lack of longitudinal research which is necessarily the case as wind turbines of this nature are not normally sited so close to residential housing. I dont like the whole suck it and see attitude of ecotricity and I am not satisfied that they have answered any questions concerning health risks - psychological or otherwise! It is an argument - in my opinion - about economy versus a few stupid villagers who dont matter. It is seen as a good trade of which I find discusting dont you? No-one seems to argue with any passion that there are no health concerns the argument is based on what Honda can provide and what the lack of turbines means for Honda as a local business. The health of the residents is seen as seconday issue!
Have you stopped to think about the bigger picture? If this application were to be accepted there is a potential for Swindon to turn into one big massive wind farm. What is there to stop it??
The Real Librarian
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1:29pm Fri 14 Oct 11
beatyou says...
1:19pm Fri 14 Oct 11
We've Won, and we are a proud community fighting hard.
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No you haven’t. The decision was based on a factor that has no role in the planning process. It will go to appeal and you will lose.
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People will always try to bring us down, purely for the fact that We are above them.
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I don’t even know where to start laughing at this quote
The Real Librarian
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1:30pm Fri 14 Oct 11
beatyou says...
1:19pm Fri 14 Oct 11
We've Won, and we are a proud community fighting hard.
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No you haven’t. The decision was based on a factor that has no role in the planning process. It will go to appeal and you will lose.
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People will always try to bring us down, purely for the fact that We are above them.
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I don’t even know where to start laughing at this quote
1967marston
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1:31pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:My "schoolboy post relying on others" ... this is exactky what I asked you to explain previously.
1967marston, if I made a school boy error, perhaps it was because of your school boy post, relying on others to tell you what to do is rarely a wise thing to do.
I repeat, please explain how my opening comment arises from me relying on others?
Bob you seem to simply avoid questions which cause you trouble....I guess this is why you couldnt speak at the meeting last night.
Davidsyrett
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1:34pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:Which is surely a good thing, councillors going along with the public viewpoint, they are elected to represent the public, the public didn't want the turbines so they voted accordingly
There is one reason and one reason alone, the Councillors were putting self interest before the interests of all the people of Swindon, with an election next year a number of the Councillors with small majorities would likely lose their seats in the wards adjacent to Honda if they voted any other way, and as for the 3 who abstained what an absolute cop out.
1967marston
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1:36pm Fri 14 Oct 11
The Real Librarian wrote:I think you will find that the planning commitee went to greath lengths to ensure that the reasons for rejection were good planning grounds..were you there?
QUOTE beatyou says... 1:19pm Fri 14 Oct 11 We've Won, and we are a proud community fighting hard. UNQUOTE . No you haven’t. The decision was based on a factor that has no role in the planning process. It will go to appeal and you will lose. . QUOTE People will always try to bring us down, purely for the fact that We are above them. UNQUOTE . I don’t even know where to start laughing at this quote
smfinestbrain
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1:39pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:To be fair to Bob, I can confirm that three Ill Wind members met in his pub about seven weeks ago. We wanted a quiet venue & we were well served by Bob because he had cancelled all other customers from 8pm to 11pm. He is truly a genial host!
Marstonite try a month ago. I know there are a vocal village minority who would have people believe other villagers don't use our pub, pure fallacy, like the Illwind campaign.
The Real Librarian
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1:40pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse says...
1:29pm Fri 14 Oct 11
To the person who asked what my concerns are! My main concern has always been the lack of longitudinal research which is necessarily the case as wind turbines of this nature are not normally sited so close to residential housing.
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How convenient for you – you want a study over a long period of time, perhaps decades.
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Clearly a delaying tactic.
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I dont like the whole suck it and see attitude of ecotricity and I am not satisfied that they have answered any questions concerning health risks - psychological or otherwise!
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You have not answered any questions concerning health risks. What do you think they are? What most worries you?
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It is an argument - in my opinion - about economy versus a few stupid villagers who dont matter.
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You are stupid. You believe the hysterical fools who bleat about health risks WITH NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER AND WHEN ALL CREDIBLE STUDIES HAVE FOUND NO HEALTH RISKS.
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It is seen as a good trade of which I find discusting dont you?
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No. Food is essential, but it is also a trade. Is that wrong?
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No-one seems to argue with any passion that there are no health concerns
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THERE – ARE – NO – HEALTH – RISKS. Every serious credible study says so. The only people who talk about health risks are unscientific cranks. Never mind passion, stick to the facts.
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the argument is based on what Honda can provide and what the lack of turbines means for Honda as a local business. The health of the residents is seen as seconday issue!
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The health of the residents is a secondary issue because (deep breath) THERE – ARE – NO – HEALTH – RISKS.
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Have you stopped to think about the bigger picture? If this application were to be accepted there is a potential for Swindon to turn into one big massive wind farm. What is there to stop it??
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Facts, specifically the fact that only some areas are suitable sites, so no it won’t. Even if it did, I don’t care. They are beautiful.
Hmmmf
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1:42pm Fri 14 Oct 11
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I see this morning Huhne coughed an inconvenient truth, saying:
"Offshore wind is assessed at £130 per megawatt hour, gas with carbon capture at £95 per megawatt hour, and nuclear at £66 per megawatt hour. These figures take account of waste and decommissioning costs, so nuclear should still be the cheapest low carbon source of electricity."
Hampy
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1:59pm Fri 14 Oct 11
STFCLetsGetRocked wrote:The level of ignorance about wind turbines doesn't seem to change. Wind energy technology is sophisticated and improving all the time. When combined with new energy storage methods the future is distributed and secure energy systems, wind turbines are and always will be a part of that system.
Hahaha! Take THAT Dale Vince and the Hippy brigade - up your chuffer!
I hope that the good people of South Marston will now be allowed to live a peaceful life once again.
Turbines are not only a blot on the landscape - they are completely ineffective and are switched off when - and I quote - 'the wrong type of wind is blowing'.
Big business lost, the people won. Thank Jesus we live in a democracy!
The problem many people have is that they see wind turbines, power stations and solar panels as complete systems, that is an incorrect view. In fact wind turbines offer securities that large power stations can not.
Hence nationally, security is achieved through a mixture of generation systems.
Hampy
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2:12pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse
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2:20pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse
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2:25pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Hampy
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2:27pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse wrote:Annalyse, you comment about offshore sized wind turbines is rubbish. The standard size for onshore wind turbines is 2 to 3 megawatts. The actual output is determined mainly by blade diameter and height.
The "NIMBY's won because they had the most compelling evidence - the council had far more to gain by supporting Honda in their application! As stated above those who attended the meeting were presented with ALL the evidence and were therefore able to make an informed choice! Those who did NOT attend the meeting are still under the illusion that the residents of South Matston objected to the wind turbines on the grounds of "spoiling their view" ha ha ha!! The plans were for OFFSHORE size wind turbines within spitting distance of residential housing. To be honest I was stunned by how eloquent the south marston/stratton residents were compared to the wind turbine stuttering supporters. They sounded like a bunch of idiots and I quote "The turbines will be hidden from view by vegetation" At this point chosing the theate as a venue was highly appropriate!! It was a ridiculous application and on the night was quite frankly laughable!!
Simply going to the Ecotricity site reveals that they proposed using 2.2MW turbines, that is definitely typical onshore sized turbines.
Offshore turbines are largely heading towards and upwards of 5 mega watts with some designs around 10 mega watts and higher.
Ecotricity only use Enercon turbines which are some of the most aesthetically pleasing designs and they don't have gearboxes (since about 1993), which reduces noise.
Hampy
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2:34pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse wrote:Generally it is a small vocal and sensitive minority that say they suffer. That is the same for any project, motorways being built, factories etc. So why the special case for wind turbines??
You structure your answer to make it appear that you are answering my questions when in fact you answer nothing! Can you explain the expericences of individuals living near wind turbines who are suffering adverse effects? There is a wealth of evidence and support showing that there is a very real risk to health and well-being and you saying "no there isn"t over and over again doesnt refute it. You are suggesting that the evidence does not come from a credible source. You were NOT at the meeeting were you? If you had been there you would have heard exactly where the evidence had come from and we wouldnt be having this conversation..
For hundreds of years we have built railways past homes etc. all of which produce noise carried by the wind etc.
Why are environmentally damaging projects like motorways acceptable, where as a few wind turbines that are trying to reverse the damage we have been doing, rejected??
1967marston
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2:52pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Hampy wrote:You are missing the point
Actually the biggest issue with this is why a local community is happy to have a huge industrial complex on their doorstep that has for years used materials and resources that are dwindling. The factory has directly and indirectly contributed millions of tonnes of carbon emissions through manufacture and people driving Honda vehicles. Yet today the same community, probably helped by 'advisor's' with motives to support the status quo have rejected the fact that Honda has realised it is doing damage and wants to change. Effectively the community voted for continued destructive behaviour and short term destructive gains.
99% if not 100% of the people there last night support wind energy.
The issue is that Honda could use other methods on their own site (solar as do Toyota in Derby - Toyota initially wanted turbines but chose solar instead to maintain their neighbours respect - they were going to place turbines further away from residents than Honda) or locate their turbines further away from residential properties. A private members bill is being debated to introduce a law that such turbines cannot be built within 2km of residential homes).
A large number (possibly the majority?) of houses in South Marston were built after Honda arrived.
Honda are not doing this for the well being of the community - just because they are being forced to attempt to find alternatives by regulation... and for their bank balance.
sm1970
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3:06pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Would you be happy with 3 wind turbines of this size being erected within 300m from your homes?Honest answers only.
I believe the people in Stratton & South Marston were protecting their homes/families/neigh
bours.They are not against green energy it is simple Honda planners didn't look at the bigger picture. They should have worked with there surrounding neighbours for a better solution. After reading all about this I feel the council did the right thing they supported there community without the threat of a large company. Honda may pull out of Swindon anytime that's always on the cards.Everyone that works there has always had that worry.I don't think I've ever spoken to a happy Honda employee.
Marstonite
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3:31pm Fri 14 Oct 11
erihstliw wrote:Erihstliw - you seem to have overlooked. The OFF SHORE Wind Turbines Honda wanted to put up are 120m tall!??!?! Shrivenham turbines are 'baby ones' in comparison....
I live in Watchfield where there are FIVE turbines within a kilometre of my house. There is no noise until you are within 100m of them on a day when they are going full speed. The fact they are unsightly is subjective. Anyone objecting to them on the grounds of them being unsightly is deluded when you have the Honda factory in all its enormity staring you in the face at much closer quarters. Nimby's the lot of you who objected on grounds of noise and appearance.
This is a typical Swindon lack of intelligence and politicians fear of losing seats has bubbled to the surface when a perfectly reasonable suggestion is put forward.
Marstonite
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3:31pm Fri 14 Oct 11
erihstliw wrote:Erihstliw - you seem to have overlooked. The OFF SHORE Wind Turbines Honda wanted to put up are 120m tall!??!?! Shrivenham turbines are 'baby ones' in comparison....
I live in Watchfield where there are FIVE turbines within a kilometre of my house. There is no noise until you are within 100m of them on a day when they are going full speed. The fact they are unsightly is subjective. Anyone objecting to them on the grounds of them being unsightly is deluded when you have the Honda factory in all its enormity staring you in the face at much closer quarters. Nimby's the lot of you who objected on grounds of noise and appearance.
This is a typical Swindon lack of intelligence and politicians fear of losing seats has bubbled to the surface when a perfectly reasonable suggestion is put forward.
Marstonite
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3:35pm Fri 14 Oct 11
smfinestbrain wrote:SMfinestbrain - just Genius!!! haha... Strange that I too went into Bob's pub about 3 months ago, and he did the same for us... However we went in on a 'busy' Saturday lunchtime!!!
Robfm wrote:To be fair to Bob, I can confirm that three Ill Wind members met in his pub about seven weeks ago. We wanted a quiet venue & we were well served by Bob because he had cancelled all other customers from 8pm to 11pm. He is truly a genial host!
Marstonite try a month ago. I know there are a vocal village minority who would have people believe other villagers don't use our pub, pure fallacy, like the Illwind campaign.
I Too
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4:04pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:I wouldn't dream of doing such a thing.
I Too the thread has been going well and despite personal jibes by some has been generally good humoured please don't ruin it.
Unlike you insisted on doing when some of us were discussing alternative vehicle fuels.
Treat people with contempt and they will do the same to you
The Real Librarian
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4:37pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse says...
2:20pm Fri 14 Oct 11
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You structure your answer to make it appear that you are answering my questions when in fact you answer nothing!
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I have asked you several times which is the effect on health that worries you most.
You have not answered.
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Can you explain the expericences of individuals living near wind turbines who are suffering adverse effects?
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Yes. It is psychosomatic.
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There is a wealth of evidence and support showing that there is a very real risk to health and well-being and you saying "no there isn"t over and over again doesnt refute it.
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Then quote one piece of it. Bob and I have quoted well researched evidence above that show there is no risk to health. You have quoted nothing.
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You are suggesting that the evidence does not come from a credible source.
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So far there has been no evidence from you, although I have asked you repeatedly.
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NOT at the meeeting were you? If you had been there you would have heard exactly where the evidence had come from and we wouldnt be having this conversation.
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You claim to have done your research and been at the meeting. So show me some evidence already
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Annalyse says...
2:25pm Fri 14 Oct 11
What do you mean only certain areas would be suitable HA HA HA!!! If you can build 3 giant wind turbines a few hundred miles away from a residential area and school then ANYWHERE is a suitable area!
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Clearly you know nothing. Look up “Wind Shadow.”
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sm1970 says...
3:06pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Just a simple question to all those writing above and calling names to people they don't know:
Would you be happy with 3 wind turbines of this size being erected within 300m from your homes?Honest answers only.
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Yes. I will swap my West Swindon house with any in South Marston of similar quality
rog-wal
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5:04pm Fri 14 Oct 11
anyone who said they want to live within a few hundred meters of one of these (or 3) is an absolute bullsh***er or living in cockoo land.
is Honda saving 15% energy costs (£11m bill) of £1.65m per year worth upsetting so many neighbours? It breaks down to about £15 per car made of saving.
I think its awfall some members on here talk so much bullsh*t about Honda leaving to save £1.65m a year in energy costs. They've spent £1.44billion on the site. If they want their green energy so much they can invest on an offshore scheme which is fed into the grid and they get credits, or they have acres of roof, fields, car parks (to build a car port over) which they could stick thousands of solar panels over.
Marstonite
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5:04pm Fri 14 Oct 11
I say again EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINIONS... Just because some opinions don't mirror your own, does NOT make them wrong... Jeeze....
asimo
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5:07pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Malkym wrote:malkym . .What part of my posting did you fail to grasp ? What are you waffling on about ? Jim,Unite, leaked emails, divided when they fall,Titanic blah,blah,blah ! The story covered has nothing to do with in your words, manure... Do us all a favour and join the methane primed managers to fuel the factory, actually you could manage that on your own you idiot. Before you respond at least try to engage your grey matter or is it so frazzled it resembles a walnut. Off to dig up some carrots now you blinkered sad little person.
asimo wrote:Asimo I took my lead from you regarding the idiot comment!- the patrician wrote "So when Honda decides that the Swindon site is no longer viable and pull out"etc...
Malkym wrote: Does that mean "Gentleman Jim D'avila" will be picketing it? When's he going to get a proper job!Malkym, This has nothing to do with Jim D'avila so what is your point and as for picketing what are you going on about ? I can't recall anywhere in these postings where Jim has commented for or against Honda's proposals so may be you could enlighten us all with your drivel. Let's not personalise or politicise this story for some other reason other than the merits of the story should be about, " DEMOCRACY " and why do you personify your weak points of view to trigger a debate that has nothing to do with this report. . .you small minded idiot!
So if that happened you can bet your bippy Jimbo would be on local TV spouting his usual diatribe about looking after the workforce - I'll wager you any amount of money you like that if Honda take off from SM - Jd'A wont be able to do diddly aquat to stop it! Unite they may be - definitely divided when the y fall!! Look at the last load of tosh about leaked e-mails etc - all a load of manure wasn't it and someone mischief making to start with - must have been cos it went away quicker than the titanic went down!
rog-wal
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5:14pm Fri 14 Oct 11
now, if they are so confident, get it into court and let them prove it does not affect human living conditions, and that you cannot hear them. they have the money to do it. If it'll save them £1.65m a year in energy, the £100k for a judicial review will be recouped in 1 month.
Power to the people.
rog-wal
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5:18pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse
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5:41pm Fri 14 Oct 11
rog-wal
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5:48pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse wrote:hear hear :)
Marstonite is absolutely correct I do NOT have the time to sit here collating research papers to support an argument that was won LAST NIGHT!! in short why the f*** should I. I know they exist because they were read out last night and I know this because I WAS THERE. You arm chair activists make me sick - full of opinion but only prepared to share it from behind a computer screen. Why did you not stand up at the meeting last night and share your wealth of knowledge when it mattered. To be honest librarian you are RUDE!!! No people skills what so ever. WHO are YOU to call people stupid and look down your nose at people. I have heard words such as inbred banded about this afteroon which frankly I find astonishing! You are the most patronising person I have ever communicated with and I feel very sorry for the people you work with.
interesting wasn't it, none of these "professionals" stood up in support of it last night to give their expert view.
they're just trolling to get a response from you.
everyone at that meeting can hold their head up high, there was no trouble although they must have expected it with the number of hired muscle they had there. the argument was won.
if they want to appeal, let the lawyer and real experts look into it, and hopefully by that time there will be a new law about the 2km distance. they were trying to rush it through because it that.
Annalyse
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5:58pm Fri 14 Oct 11
leafy1
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6:06pm Fri 14 Oct 11
And shame on the keyboard warriors and PASSING TRADE .........for even thinking there was a chance they would ever be built.Get real and get a life OR just bugger off and live by a few turbines if you love them so much.
Hampy
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6:16pm Fri 14 Oct 11
leafy1 wrote:This is a web site. People respond to the misinformation posted on the web site. It doesn't matter where it is, what is important is that misinformation is corrected. So that others can read it and see how dishonest anti-wind campaigners can be.
Excellent news..........The nightmare is well and truly over.THANKS to all those who opposed the turbines and turned out at the meetings.Thanks to ILLWIND for keeping us all informed all the way by website and leaflet drops.A big thankyou to the 9 Councillors who so rightly opposed them .
And shame on the keyboard warriors and PASSING TRADE .........for even thinking there was a chance they would ever be built.Get real and get a life OR just bugger off and live by a few turbines if you love them so much.
Hampy
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6:24pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Marstonite wrote:People are also entitled to correct errors in information published. These issues are not about opinions, they are about science and engineering. The only thing that can be said to be based on opinion is aesthetics or how a wind turbine looks.
Mr Librarian. Have you thought that maybe Annalyse has other things to do other than sit answering your 'quote' 'unquote' questions all afternoon??!.. We are ALL entitled to our opinions.. Your 2 are clearly at opposite ends of the scale - VERY similar to your living locations.... You in the West, and Annalyse in the East... Praps that's a good idea?! - you've been like a dog with a bone this afternoon!... I note you say of similar quality, and not similar price!?!?! Can't you just leave it?!?!
I say again EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINIONS... Just because some opinions don't mirror your own, does NOT make them wrong... Jeeze....
Hampy
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6:37pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Marstonite wrote:I all ready stated that the turbines are not offshore types. The proposed hub height was 79m, the blades extended that to 120m. Logically if the blades were included would have varied. So you are incorrect in stating the height would have been 120m.
erihstliw wrote:Erihstliw - you seem to have overlooked. The OFF SHORE Wind Turbines Honda wanted to put up are 120m tall!??!?! Shrivenham turbines are 'baby ones' in comparison....
I live in Watchfield where there are FIVE turbines within a kilometre of my house. There is no noise until you are within 100m of them on a day when they are going full speed. The fact they are unsightly is subjective. Anyone objecting to them on the grounds of them being unsightly is deluded when you have the Honda factory in all its enormity staring you in the face at much closer quarters. Nimby's the lot of you who objected on grounds of noise and appearance.
This is a typical Swindon lack of intelligence and politicians fear of losing seats has bubbled to the surface when a perfectly reasonable suggestion is put forward.
Hampy
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6:46pm Fri 14 Oct 11
1967marston wrote:Well at least you give a reasonable answer. Cutting emissions is important. Why isn't there a campaign to close down Honda? The point is, there is a lot of hypocrisy in only targeting wind turbines as the problem. I'm guessing many local residents have increased the number of gadgets they use over the last 5 years (see report by the Energy Saving Trust) thus maintaining the need for energy and resulting in domestic CO2 emissions failing to come down.
Hampy wrote:You are missing the point
Actually the biggest issue with this is why a local community is happy to have a huge industrial complex on their doorstep that has for years used materials and resources that are dwindling. The factory has directly and indirectly contributed millions of tonnes of carbon emissions through manufacture and people driving Honda vehicles. Yet today the same community, probably helped by 'advisor's' with motives to support the status quo have rejected the fact that Honda has realised it is doing damage and wants to change. Effectively the community voted for continued destructive behaviour and short term destructive gains.
99% if not 100% of the people there last night support wind energy.
The issue is that Honda could use other methods on their own site (solar as do Toyota in Derby - Toyota initially wanted turbines but chose solar instead to maintain their neighbours respect - they were going to place turbines further away from residents than Honda) or locate their turbines further away from residential properties. A private members bill is being debated to introduce a law that such turbines cannot be built within 2km of residential homes).
A large number (possibly the majority?) of houses in South Marston were built after Honda arrived.
Honda are not doing this for the well being of the community - just because they are being forced to attempt to find alternatives by regulation... and for their bank balance.
If you don't want these things, then you need to make cuts in consumption.
Annalyse
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6:53pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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7:17pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Pray tell Annalyse how does being to close together equate to anything. Using capitals on forums is considered to be very rude.
Annalyse
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7:25pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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7:26pm Fri 14 Oct 11
We welcome everyone, what we won't do is be held to ransom by anyone, unless of course you wish to pay our rent?
Annalyse
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7:32pm Fri 14 Oct 11
RSThomo
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7:37pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse wrote:so it not a health issue then like u was saying this morning then. It that you don't want a pretty windmill in your garden lol
Hampy - In lay terms the turbines are too big and too close together to be THAT close to peoples homes! FACT!
Robfm
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7:40pm Fri 14 Oct 11
As for turbines being to close together please enlighten me. So far you've made loads of comments but when asked to back them up then ziltch. Degree or no degree. Feel free to enlighten me.
cbc001
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7:41pm Fri 14 Oct 11
1. The importance of Honda as an employer in the Swindon area.
2. The implications if Honda decided to move the plant.
3. The price your children and GrandChildren will pay if major employers are unable to curb carbon emmissions.
I urge you all to watch the DVD The Age Of Stupid and think very carefully about your role in helping to solve the issue that is Global Warming.
Ill Wind can talk about health until they are blue in the face but health will be a much bigger concern if we don't stop burying our heads in the sand!
Robfm
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Annalyse
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7:44pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse
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RSThomo
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Robfm
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Annalyse
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7:51pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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7:53pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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Annalyse
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8:00pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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8:11pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Don't quite know what the Ana bit is though, as I've not written that, and have merely addressed you by the avatar you have chosen. If you are offended by that, what can one say.
Annalyse
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8:14pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm
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8:18pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse
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8:29pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Malkym
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8:37pm Fri 14 Oct 11
asimo wrote:cheers for biting reeling you in was sssssssssssooooooooo
Malkym wrote:malkym . .What part of my posting did you fail to grasp ? What are you waffling on about ? Jim,Unite, leaked emails, divided when they fall,Titanic blah,blah,blah ! The story covered has nothing to do with in your words, manure... Do us all a favour and join the methane primed managers to fuel the factory, actually you could manage that on your own you idiot. Before you respond at least try to engage your grey matter or is it so frazzled it resembles a walnut. Off to dig up some carrots now you blinkered sad little person.asimo wrote:Asimo I took my lead from you regarding the idiot comment!- the patrician wrote "So when Honda decides that the Swindon site is no longer viable and pull out"etc... So if that happened you can bet your bippy Jimbo would be on local TV spouting his usual diatribe about looking after the workforce - I'll wager you any amount of money you like that if Honda take off from SM - Jd'A wont be able to do diddly aquat to stop it! Unite they may be - definitely divided when the y fall!! Look at the last load of tosh about leaked e-mails etc - all a load of manure wasn't it and someone mischief making to start with - must have been cos it went away quicker than the titanic went down!Malkym wrote: Does that mean "Gentleman Jim D'avila" will be picketing it? When's he going to get a proper job!Malkym, This has nothing to do with Jim D'avila so what is your point and as for picketing what are you going on about ? I can't recall anywhere in these postings where Jim has commented for or against Honda's proposals so may be you could enlighten us all with your drivel. Let's not personalise or politicise this story for some other reason other than the merits of the story should be about, " DEMOCRACY " and why do you personify your weak points of view to trigger a debate that has nothing to do with this report. . .you small minded idiot!
ooooo easy!
Robfm
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8:38pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Oh by the way I have been threatened by many, but they at least had the courage to say who they really were.
I Too
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8:40pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Robfm wrote:That didn't last long BloghogFm.
Oh dear the intelligent !!!posters have arrived, that will be the end of what has been a civilised thread so far.
Time to vacate I think.
Some way to run a business, spending all day, writing reams of opionated tosh on here
Annalyse
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8:41pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Brunoh
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8:43pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Once again the would-be 'green' brigade have been duped into thinking they are a part of a new age of environmentally friendly sources of power.
They are favoured by those who control our purse strings purely because they are cheap (in every way).
A proper solution to long term RELIABLE generation of electric power would be to construct a dam across the Severn Estuary. Hydro electric power will provide a vast amount of power compared to 'windmills'!
Hydro electric power generation has been employed across the world, every time a success.
But here the same old answer - we cannot AFFORD it. This has been the same story in this Country for years - cannot invest in the real solution.
Just check the profits made by the Energy Companies, with little real determination to tackle these 'price rings'.
Then check the estuaries we have available up and down this Isle.
Honda wants its 'carbon credits' and soon we will have these things on the stock exchanges, so that paper profits can be made from imaginary trading in them.
The green brigade are only being used by cynical big-business, whose plans are already in place for many years ahead. Swindon has had all its eggs in one basket several times in the past - viz. GWR, British Rail, Pressed Steel.
Small and diverse with a spread of skills will be necessary for a buoyant commercial future, not necessarily the "stuff of dreams".
Any appeal cannot succeed on the basis of the evidence and arguments advanced, in my opinion. Honda should now advance its green agenda by funding an offshore 'wind farm' if that is the sum total of its engineering esprit, receiving its return via the National Grid or (more sensibly) develop a plan with Ecotricity (say) to design and build Hydro Electric schemes by ploughing back the excess profits made into society with British Gas if you like who are 'looking after your world' too.
Robfm
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Robfm
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sm1970
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8:52pm Fri 14 Oct 11
As for Bob you just add comments for the hell of it.Just argue with anyone just for because you enjoy it.How sad is that.
At the end of the day what person would want a wind turbine within 300 meters of their home?Would you want the disturbance of the noise all night?In the summer I took my children to watchfield park & I could hear the turbines over the A420 traffic.I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
I'm sure Honda will do the right thing for Swindon & look at alternatives.This argument really should close now as the decision has been made & we should respect that.
Annalyse
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8:52pm Fri 14 Oct 11
The Real Librarian
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8:54pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse says...
5:41pm Fri 14 Oct 11 Marstonite is absolutely correct I do NOT have the time to sit here collating research papers to support an argument that was won LAST NIGHT!!
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10:14am Fri 14 Oct 11
I have conducted my own research regarding the effects of wind turbines so close to residential housing.
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So you were in fact lying, which I suspected all along, which is why I have been on your case all day.
You don’t have any scientific arguments. You have listened to hysterical idiots who have whipped up fear on the basis of no information.
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You arm chair activists make me sick - full of opinion but only prepared to share it from behind a computer screen. Why did you not stand up at the meeting last night and share your wealth of knowledge when it mattered.
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I would have gone if I thought there was the slightest chance you idiots would win. I will be involved in the future.
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To be honest librarian you are RUDE!!!
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Ha.
This from the woman who has been abusing people all day and whose first comment included the words
They sounded like a bunch of idiots
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Annalyse says...
9:29am Fri 14 Oct 11
Bob!! Do you realise that you are the village joke!? just saying
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Don’t lecture me about rudeness you horrible hypocrite.
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No people skills what so ever. WHO are YOU to call people stupid and look down your nose at people. I have heard words such as inbred banded about this afteroon which frankly I find astonishing! You are the most patronising person I have ever communicated with and I feel very sorry for the people you work with.”
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Well firstly I can say that anyone who opposed the wind turbines is likely to be a combination of (a) stupid, (b) hysterical and (c) an unscientific luddite. In order to try and give yourself some credibility you claimed to have some understanding of the science. In reality you have none. In addition to being a disgusting hypocrite and the person who started the rudeness you are also ignorant, and that adds up to stupid in my book. We should all be grateful. Three hundred years ago you would have been denouncing your neighbours as witches.
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As for the people I work with, fear not, they understand the difference between fact and fiction.
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As I said before, once the council have wasted £100K or so on legal costs, the turbines will be built. You will fail and frankly, as I said before, I hope they build one in your garden.
Annalyse
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8:56pm Fri 14 Oct 11
The Real Librarian
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8:57pm Fri 14 Oct 11
sm1970 says...
8:52pm Fri 14 Oct 11
In the summer I took my children to watchfield park & I could hear the turbines over the A420 traffic.I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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You have very good ears. The traffic is twice as loud
Annalyse
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9:07pm Fri 14 Oct 11
The Real Librarian
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9:08pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse says...
8:29pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Bob what exactly is your problem? Do you have a mental illness?
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I have a theory that people often accuse others of the thing they fear in themselves.
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So do you have a mental illness?
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Evidence for that theory would include things like
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8:41pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Anna would love to carry on this conversation with you Bob but unfortunately she erm..... died! Have a nice day :/”
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So do you?
Annalyse
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9:10pm Fri 14 Oct 11
The Real Librarian
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9:11pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse says...
9:07pm Fri 14 Oct 11
I swear to god if you write f****** QUOTE UNQUOTE one more time I will hunt you down like a rabid dog and set fire to your house!!!
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Well thats the mental illness theory confirmed.
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You absolute weirdo! I cant even be bothered to read what you wrote because I lose the will to live half way through reading your monolouge of insanity!
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Of course you can't, it proves you wrong, that you are a liar, a hypocrite and that you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the science.
I can only assume the rest of the IllWind posse are as hysterical and ignorant as you.
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I am looking forward to seeing the turbines go up, followed shortly by you on the front page of the paper, complaining about every imaginary illness under the sun.
The Real Librarian
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9:10pm Fri 14 Oct 11
I have just been informed that QUOTE UNQUOTE is a troll - ignore!!!”
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Voices in your head a little loud tonight love?
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You should be glad to get a turbine, it might drown them out
Annalyse
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Annalyse
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imustbeanimby
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9:39pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Before you all start jumping on me and saying im thick and stupid and an idiot with no learning abilities or education ill do it for you.........see above. But you still lost HA! And it doesnt matter if they appeal, you still lost yesterday ha! Bob.....When are you going to realise your pub is **** and no one likes you I should come down there and slap you round your bald head to make you see sense really but that would only start this lot off hhhrmmmphing and baying. Oh by the way im not inbred and dont have three fingers or anything trivial like that im just somebody who has sat back and watched you all qoute and unqoute god knows how many times. If somebody doesnt want a bloody great windmill in there back garden then its there right to go to a meeting to have there voice heard I was there and I believe that if just as many people argued for the turbines as did the people who were against it then maybe we might have been having a different conversation today but thats where the problem lies......none of you turned up did you? I think I saw a few sour faces in the crowd last night and so I would guess they were probably paid by honda to sit there.......dont go qouting me on that as I dont want angry japs chasing me :0)
Marstonite
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9:42pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Hampy wrote:IN TOTAL the height would be 120m.. I didn't get that wrong at all... I for one would prefer NOT to raise my family in such close proximity to 1 let alone 3.. That is my OPINION!!!!!!!!!
Marstonite wrote:I all ready stated that the turbines are not offshore types. The proposed hub height was 79m, the blades extended that to 120m. Logically if the blades were included would have varied. So you are incorrect in stating the height would have been 120m.
erihstliw wrote:Erihstliw - you seem to have overlooked. The OFF SHORE Wind Turbines Honda wanted to put up are 120m tall!??!?! Shrivenham turbines are 'baby ones' in comparison....
I live in Watchfield where there are FIVE turbines within a kilometre of my house. There is no noise until you are within 100m of them on a day when they are going full speed. The fact they are unsightly is subjective. Anyone objecting to them on the grounds of them being unsightly is deluded when you have the Honda factory in all its enormity staring you in the face at much closer quarters. Nimby's the lot of you who objected on grounds of noise and appearance.
This is a typical Swindon lack of intelligence and politicians fear of losing seats has bubbled to the surface when a perfectly reasonable suggestion is put forward.
imustbeanimby
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9:44pm Fri 14 Oct 11
rog-wal
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imustbeanimby
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9:54pm Fri 14 Oct 11
rog-wal wrote:I second this.well said rog-wal!!! Plenty of needy gippos down at dale farm maybe you could sell some of your finest ale down there bob.
hahaha LOSERS. Democracy won. Why don't you bunch of lonely old goats go and troll / harass / some other loser project. i heard Dale Farm needs a bit more support - no doubt you're all in favour of that?
imustbeanimby
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10:06pm Fri 14 Oct 11
rog-wal
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10:10pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Marstonite
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10:19pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Imustbeanimby
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"When are you going to realise your pub is **** and no one likes you I should come down there and slap you round your bald head to make you see sense really but that would only start this lot off hhhrmmmphing and baying."
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sm1970
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10:19pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse wrote:@ The real librarian
I have just been informed that QUOTE UNQUOTE is a troll - ignore!!!
You are sick & twisted get lost!
We could all wish nasty things on other humans but that's just sick!Where are you from??You should be sectioned!
Gooey
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10:51pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Poor old Bob fm is certainly a hated man and i'm sure the villagers are sharpening their pitch forks to run him out of the village.
rog-wal
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11:06pm Fri 14 Oct 11
If i wanted an extension on the side of my house, and my neighbour objected on view/increased noise, planning permission would be refused.
what is so different?
get over it you bunch of losers. i bet no one here would object if they stuck in any other renewable options that were quiet and not 6x the height of surrounding buildings/landscape.
it was all about the money handouts for them. and if they had it through by next march, then their subsidies/handouts would be 20% greater for the next 25 years, hence why they tried to push it through regardless.
asimo
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11:17pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Malkym wrote:Actually Malkym your display of ignorance through your postings was not by accident . . . it was because you really are ignorant ! So you think you have the aptitude and mental capacity to wind me up, well if that floats your boat and you see that as a victory it really does demonstrate that your intellectual ability is confined to the capacity of a walnut.I truly envy your ability to think and reason without any basic thought process because as they say, "Ignorance is bliss" and your profile suits that. You are sssssssssooooooooooo THICK your a genius. Off to eat my carrots now !
asimo wrote:cheers for biting reeling you in was sssssssssssooooooooo ooooo easy!Malkym wrote:malkym . .What part of my posting did you fail to grasp ? What are you waffling on about ? Jim,Unite, leaked emails, divided when they fall,Titanic blah,blah,blah ! The story covered has nothing to do with in your words, manure... Do us all a favour and join the methane primed managers to fuel the factory, actually you could manage that on your own you idiot. Before you respond at least try to engage your grey matter or is it so frazzled it resembles a walnut. Off to dig up some carrots now you blinkered sad little person.asimo wrote:Asimo I took my lead from you regarding the idiot comment!- the patrician wrote "So when Honda decides that the Swindon site is no longer viable and pull out"etc... So if that happened you can bet your bippy Jimbo would be on local TV spouting his usual diatribe about looking after the workforce - I'll wager you any amount of money you like that if Honda take off from SM - Jd'A wont be able to do diddly aquat to stop it! Unite they may be - definitely divided when the y fall!! Look at the last load of tosh about leaked e-mails etc - all a load of manure wasn't it and someone mischief making to start with - must have been cos it went away quicker than the titanic went down!Malkym wrote: Does that mean "Gentleman Jim D'avila" will be picketing it? When's he going to get a proper job!Malkym, This has nothing to do with Jim D'avila so what is your point and as for picketing what are you going on about ? I can't recall anywhere in these postings where Jim has commented for or against Honda's proposals so may be you could enlighten us all with your drivel. Let's not personalise or politicise this story for some other reason other than the merits of the story should be about, " DEMOCRACY " and why do you personify your weak points of view to trigger a debate that has nothing to do with this report. . .you small minded idiot!
Blackwell 2
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11:32pm Fri 14 Oct 11
Annalyse wrote:You are indeed correct.
I have just been informed that QUOTE UNQUOTE is a troll - ignore!!!
You're lucky that Bobs' "sibling/bodyguard/b
abysitter" hasn't given you the
13 years of Labour blah blah blah blah drivel that he usually turns every thread into.
I'm largely in disagreement with you over the turbines (though I was not at the meeting), but you are spot on with your assessment of BloghogFm and his "babysitter"
Punctured bicycle on a hillside
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9:05am Sat 15 Oct 11
sm1970 wrote:He's from West Swindon (mentioned in a previous post). Usually puts in an unpleasant appearence when his hapless friend Robfm needs a bit of support.
Annalyse wrote:@ The real librarian
I have just been informed that QUOTE UNQUOTE is a troll - ignore!!!
You are sick & twisted get lost!
We could all wish nasty things on other humans but that's just sick!Where are you from??You should be sectioned!
Got to hand it to him though, accuses the South Marston villagers of being "slack-jawed inbreds" then insists they should consult him over any concerns about wind turbines (or "windmills", as he usually calls them). That's a brass neck if ever there was one.
Punctured bicycle on a hillside
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9:42am Sat 15 Oct 11
smfinestbrain wrote:Err.. I think you'll find Bob doesn't actually have any customers after 8pm and he normally shuts the bar at nine just in case any do turn up.
Robfm wrote:To be fair to Bob, I can confirm that three Ill Wind members met in his pub about seven weeks ago. We wanted a quiet venue & we were well served by Bob because he had cancelled all other customers from 8pm to 11pm. He is truly a genial host!
Marstonite try a month ago. I know there are a vocal village minority who would have people believe other villagers don't use our pub, pure fallacy, like the Illwind campaign.
As he freely admits, there's no profit in selling gnats-pіss beer so why bother.
reason-able
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9:44am Sat 15 Oct 11
1) re this constant complaint that the south marston and stratton residents are NIMBYS moaning about the visual impact of the turbines. at the meeting the only people complaining or even mentioning what they looked like were the councillors themselves, honda!!!!and a countryside alliance group. the public only mentioned noise, light, health and safety. there was also concern by the council that if they agreed that such massive turbines could be built this close to homes, then they would open the floodgates to all other comapnies in swindon to do the same and areas like coate water could also have them! because, if we have them why shouldn't everyone else have them too?
2) those who do not live nearby have the right to an opinion, but thats all it is........if THEY had a road being built across the back of their gardens which may keep them awake at night with traffic noise, and certainly ruining their amenity, then although I may have an opinion about it, ''good for the town to have more roads to stop all the traffic build up'' etc, its hardly fair of me to push that forward when they are the ones that are suffering is it? ie if I live miles away from it, far too easy for me to say this! I am sure they would have something to say about my comments on this site if that was the case.
3) the council had a hard decision to make, but were told categorically by honda that if they lost the vote on the turbines they WOULD NOT pull out of swindon.They promised to back Honda on other energy saving project they could come up with like solar power.
4) unlike writers on this page, neither Honda or Ecotricity put ANY argument forward that stated they were 100% convinced /sure there was no risk to those living close to wind turbines. in fact the report that was put forward stated conditions that ''when/if anyone suffered noise, sleep deprivation, shadow flicker'' etc etc etc they would look at it, and they spent some time suggesting what the plan would be. this means they thought there COULD BE these problems, and they would try to put it right after the event. this is not the same as saying categorically there would be no problem whasoever. you should also note that there have been other substances, energy sources, pills, foods etc etc etc that the government and experts themselves have stated in the past, would do no harm that have in time proved very much the opposite! people should not be used as guinea pigs for testing these theories.
5) the turbines proposed were never intended for land based sites so close to peoples homes, they were intended for off shore sites
6) and finally, where were all of you who are shouting at the residents on this page, as being NIMBYS and ignorant etc, on thursday night? if you are as you say SURE that the turbines are safe, SURE that we have nothing to complain about, SURE that the council are weak, SURE that its better to have turbines than any other kind of energy saving device, SURE that Honda could not have built the turbines somewhere else, SURE that there is no noise and flicker etc, WHY WERE YOU NOT THERE registered to speak and putting up this argument, with all your evidence...and WHY didn't honda and ecotricity do the same? it is really like not voting and them complaining about the party that get in. the real problem is that the guys that want to erect these turbines DO NOT really know if there is going to be a problem or not.
there and I managed it without one insult!
Blackwell 2
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10:11am Sat 15 Oct 11
You didn't sound condescending either.
Only one post too.
If only "Team BloghogFm" could so considerate.
Thankyou
The Real Librarian
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10:13am Sat 15 Oct 11
sm1970 wrote:Some hypocrisy there fella.
Annalyse wrote: I have just been informed that QUOTE UNQUOTE is a troll - ignore!!!@ The real librarian You are sick & twisted get lost! We could all wish nasty things on other humans but that's just sick!Where are you from??You should be sectioned!
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Dear Anawhatsit has proven to be plain ignorant and their pathetic pretentions about health concerns have been exposed as blatant NIMBYism. Despite claiming to have evidence they have refused to produce any, despite being repeatedly challenged to do so. It was obvious they had no clue, which is why I called them on it. I have been proved right.
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They then accused other people of mental illness, which, as I said, is always a clue.
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Then they made threats to hunt me down like a rabid dog, which certainly sounds like someone who has departed their moorings.
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Anawhatsit has consistently been the first to scrape the barrel of every form of nastyness and I merely believe in fighting fire with fire.
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At the end of the day, the truth is as follows;
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There are no proven health risks associated with Wind Turbines.
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Swindon Council has made a bad decision by refusing the application on the grounds of appearence which is not a planning criteria. The decision will be overturned on appeal, after Swindon Council has had to cough up our money as legal costs. The turbines will be built. Anawhatsit has proven to be so nasty I do hope they get one in their garden, because they will then have the opportunity to develop a slew of psychosomatic illnesses and occupy the front page of the adver ever after.
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BTW I am not Bob FM, as you would know if you read our exchange a little while ago when I was explaining why Arkells beer is undrinkable. I don't agree with everything he says but I admire his honesty.
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BTW Blackwell - Labour are responsible for most of our current problems, but not this one.
The Real Librarian
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10:20am Sat 15 Oct 11
reason-able says...
9:44am Sat 15 Oct 11
where were all of you who are shouting at the residents on this page, as being NIMBYS and ignorant etc, on thursday night?
if you are as you say SURE that the turbines are safe, SURE that we have nothing to complain about, SURE that the council are weak, SURE that its better to have turbines than any other kind of energy saving device, SURE that Honda could not have built the turbines somewhere else, SURE that there is no noise and flicker etc, WHY WERE YOU NOT THERE registered to speak and putting up this argument, with all your evidence...and WHY didn't honda and ecotricity do the same? it is really like not voting and them complaining about the party that get in. the real problem is that the guys that want to erect these turbines DO NOT really know if there is going to be a problem or not.
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I did not go to the meeting because I wwas sure the councillors would make the correct, legal, decision. I was wrong. I underestimated the cowardice of a politician with an election looming.
We can be sure there will be no problems because adequate studies have been conducted which demonstrate that there is no discernable health risk. Bob and I quoted some upthread.
BTW - I admit I have been free with the insults but I didn't start it.
The Real Librarian
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10:22am Sat 15 Oct 11
Blackwell 2 wrote:You are complaining about people posting too much!
Smashing. You didn't sound condescending either. Only one post too. If only "Team BloghogFm" could so considerate. Thankyou
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Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot
wiltsbob
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11:02am Sat 15 Oct 11
sm1970
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12:30pm Sat 15 Oct 11
Where in Swindon do you live?Would you be happy to have a wind turbine in your back garden?
Let's hope they put the nuclear site in your area then we'll see what you're made of!
The council made the right decision.Honda can pull out of Swindon anytime as you are well aware.We are all losing jobs everyday that's the life we live.
Illwind protected what is there's why should they just lie down & let things happen to their homes & families live's?If it were on your back garden you would have done the same if not your a week person that likes to be a doormat!
timt1964
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12:37pm Sat 15 Oct 11
s etc.if those people recycle their rubbish do they know that its stockpiled and sold off by sbc? more proof that sbc lives in its own world and would rather keep the people happy by pretending to care............all these concerned residents are probably the same lot who travel to be rent a mourners at bassett and actually celebrate being called royal blah blah blah.sorry for going off subject but it pees me off when people go on about " my poor house price is going to suffer" when theyve no intention of ever moving and just want to rake it in for their greedy relatives who will enjoy the profits when they die!
Hampy
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12:43pm Sat 15 Oct 11
sm1970 wrote:Your comment bares no relation to reality. No company is building wind turbines in back gardens. Maybe a little less emotional garbage is in order?
@wiltsbob
Where in Swindon do you live?Would you be happy to have a wind turbine in your back garden?
Let's hope they put the nuclear site in your area then we'll see what you're made of!
The council made the right decision.Honda can pull out of Swindon anytime as you are well aware.We are all losing jobs everyday that's the life we live.
Illwind protected what is there's why should they just lie down & let things happen to their homes & families live's?If it were on your back garden you would have done the same if not your a week person that likes to be a doormat!
Also you mention nuclear power. The fact is CO2 emissions have to be cut. and the choice is, use less energy or build a variety of generation systems to supply demand. Hence someone some where is going to have wind turbines near them, or a nuclear power station or an array of solar panels etc which will annoy someone. So the basic fact is give up the car, gadgets etc. or face the fact that someone somewhere is going to be annoyed.
Gooey
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12:47pm Sat 15 Oct 11
Hampy
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12:50pm Sat 15 Oct 11
beatyou wrote:If you care about peoples health then I assume you don't drive a car?
Nobody cares if Honda leaves, its another problem for another day.
Todays problem was peoples health.
We care for peoples well being and health.
This is not about money, economy or jobs.
Health is better than wealth.
We've Won, and we are a proud community fighting hard.
People will always try to bring us down, purely for the fact that We are above them.
I'm guessing that most people in Swindon drive a car and hence have for years been supporting the car industry which Honda is a part of. That has increased obesity, particulate pollution and green house gas emissions.
You can't single out the building of wind turbines, without also tackling other damaging issues. If you drive a car then you have to take responsibility for that ownership. Suggesting that Honda should go somewhere else, implies denial and the brushing under the carpet the impacts your behaviour has on others.
Hampy
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12:58pm Sat 15 Oct 11
Annalyse wrote:That is opinion. The only 'facts' are technical, everything else is opinion.
Hampy - In lay terms the turbines are too big and too close together to be THAT close to peoples homes! FACT!
AGINGER
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4:33pm Sat 15 Oct 11
Your family were united with mine some 150 years ago and we are still here,mine kept the Carriers Arms,please get in touch and we can catch them all coming back from the other pub??
Scrumping
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7:23pm Sat 15 Oct 11
Scrumping
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7:23pm Sat 15 Oct 11
Blackwell 2
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9:07pm Sat 15 Oct 11
The Real Librarian wrote:Really Scott?
Blackwell 2 wrote:You are complaining about people posting too much!
Smashing. You didn't sound condescending either. Only one post too. If only "Team BloghogFm" could so considerate. Thankyou
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Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot
I've posted 3 times.
You've posted how many times?
GalaxyMan
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6:22am Sun 16 Oct 11
timt1964
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5:16pm Sun 16 Oct 11
Scrumping wrote:scrumping,go and post your abusive nonsense somewhere else.this is a great way for people to vent their feelings and opinions on a lot of local issues.whilst we may not agree with each others comments,idiots like you have no right to slag off mine or anyone elses posts.as they say if youve got nothing to say,dont say anything!! now go and "scrump" somewhere else.
nearly 200 posts of absolute b0ll0cks
wiltsbob
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7:14pm Sun 16 Oct 11
Malkym
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10:12pm Tue 18 Oct 11
asimo wrote:" so wind me up let me go!" PMSL!
Malkym wrote:Actually Malkym your display of ignorance through your postings was not by accident . . . it was because you really are ignorant ! So you think you have the aptitude and mental capacity to wind me up, well if that floats your boat and you see that as a victory it really does demonstrate that your intellectual ability is confined to the capacity of a walnut.I truly envy your ability to think and reason without any basic thought process because as they say, "Ignorance is bliss" and your profile suits that. You are sssssssssooooooooooo THICK your a genius. Off to eat my carrots now !asimo wrote:cheers for biting reeling you in was sssssssssssooooooooo ooooo easy!Malkym wrote:malkym . .What part of my posting did you fail to grasp ? What are you waffling on about ? Jim,Unite, leaked emails, divided when they fall,Titanic blah,blah,blah ! The story covered has nothing to do with in your words, manure... Do us all a favour and join the methane primed managers to fuel the factory, actually you could manage that on your own you idiot. Before you respond at least try to engage your grey matter or is it so frazzled it resembles a walnut. Off to dig up some carrots now you blinkered sad little person.asimo wrote:Asimo I took my lead from you regarding the idiot comment!- the patrician wrote "So when Honda decides that the Swindon site is no longer viable and pull out"etc... So if that happened you can bet your bippy Jimbo would be on local TV spouting his usual diatribe about looking after the workforce - I'll wager you any amount of money you like that if Honda take off from SM - Jd'A wont be able to do diddly aquat to stop it! Unite they may be - definitely divided when the y fall!! Look at the last load of tosh about leaked e-mails etc - all a load of manure wasn't it and someone mischief making to start with - must have been cos it went away quicker than the titanic went down!Malkym wrote: Does that mean "Gentleman Jim D'avila" will be picketing it? When's he going to get a proper job!Malkym, This has nothing to do with Jim D'avila so what is your point and as for picketing what are you going on about ? I can't recall anywhere in these postings where Jim has commented for or against Honda's proposals so may be you could enlighten us all with your drivel. Let's not personalise or politicise this story for some other reason other than the merits of the story should be about, " DEMOCRACY " and why do you personify your weak points of view to trigger a debate that has nothing to do with this report. . .you small minded idiot!
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12:01am Fri 14 Oct 11
P.S
Can the protesters please vacate the roundabout as Unite need it !