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Consultation due to end on council's planned budget cuts

Deputy council leader Garry Perkins Deputy council leader Garry Perkins

HOUSEHOLDERS are being reminded they have less than a week left to comment on plans to shave £14m off Swindon Council’s budget next financial year.

A public consultation on the draft budget proposals ends on January 17 – and the Conservative administration is asking for views on the plans, and suggestions of other ways to cut expenditure.

The draft proposals include abolishing 120 council posts to save about £3.1m, re-engineering the way services are delivered, reducing funding to some organisations, and generating more income from its current facilities.

The council needs to make savings to cope with £12m worth of extra costs in the next financial year – mainly due to increased demand for services – and reduced overall funding of about £3.3m.

Deputy council leader Garry Perkins stressed the budget must balance, but he still wants public feedback and ideas, which will be considered and could inform the amended proposals to be presented to cabinet in February.

“They will be gone through in great detail to see how they could be accommodated, what effect they will have on the budget and, if we add something back in, what could be changed to directly balance the budget,” he said.

“We have prepared a balanced budget and we have to end up with a balanced budget, so if something goes in, something else has to come out.”

The draft proposals were partly formed by consultation events during September involving focus groups of 70 residents of different ages and backgrounds. The proposals went out for public consultation following a scrutiny committee meeting in November.

Coun Perkins explained that the administration proposes to protect services for vulnerable people, but expenditure on other services had been reviewed.

He said that the council had managed expenditure well over a number of years, so did not have to follow some other authorities in completely closing services, such as leisure centres.

Commenting on feedback on the budget plans so far, he said: “There doesn’t seem to be a lot of negative outcry on what’s been proposed at the moment.

“There’s usually one or two areas in the budget that might initiate campaigns but we’ve had absolutely nothing like that this year.

“And I think people accept there has to be savings within the budget because obviously the Government is economically tied.”

To read the budget proposals, visit www.swindon.gov.uk. Feedback can be emailed to communications@swindon.gov.uk or posted to Communications Service, Swindon Borough Council, Civic Offices, Euclid Street, Swindon, SN1 2JH.

What's proposed: Penhill and Pinehurst Sure Start would be realised, and the grant to Swindon Citizens’ Advice Bureau would be reduced.

Sheltered housing support charges would be capped at the average weekly rate for all providers in Swindon.

The council hopes to increase income from Lydiard House through increased barbecue provision and produce sales. It also hopes to raise more money from Steam through increased commercial activity and events.

There would be savings from libraries by bringing down the stock fund by 15 per cent, in line with similar councils, and reducing the range of newspapers and magazines by 50 per cent.

More money would be saved at the Delta Tennis Centre through closer working with the community and laying off one member of staff.

Lights would be switched off in the Brunel North, Brunel West and Spring Gardens car parks when they are not open, and phased lighting would be introduced in these car parks as well as John Street, the Wyvern and Carlton multi-storey car parks.

The one-hour tariff in Brunel West, Brunel North and Fleming Way would be increased back to £1.20, its original level prior to the changes in July 2010.

Some charges for leisure and other services are planned to increase, with some rising above inflation to replace council subsidies.

Comments(42)

MrAngry says...
9:05pm Wed 11 Jan 12

I like Garry's new hat. Suits him.

Ellendune57 says...
9:22pm Wed 11 Jan 12

Presumably the consultation is in the website equivelant of a locked filing cabinet in the basement. No link from the front page that I could see nor is it listed among current consultations in the consultations section.

Not going to get much feedback then.

I Too says...
10:30pm Wed 11 Jan 12

There are a couple of aerial photos of Swindon on my flickr site.

feel free to download and use a marker pen to detail improvements

http://www.flickr.co
m/photos/73970391@N0
3/?saved=1

Punctured bicycle on a hillside says...
10:35pm Wed 11 Jan 12

I Too wrote:
There are a couple of aerial photos of Swindon on my flickr site.

feel free to download and use a marker pen to detail improvements

http://www.flickr.co

m/photos/73970391@N0

3/?saved=1
Hahah - excellent!

greenpacer says...
12:47am Thu 12 Jan 12

Why the new street lighting in Princes Street and Whalebridge. Paid for by the developers I was told by a work colleague.
Maybe but it has to be maintained and did they pay for taking the old ones down. Some were still new those by Jury Inn and Halfords !!

Scrumping says...
1:53am Thu 12 Jan 12

I Too wrote:
There are a couple of aerial photos of Swindon on my flickr site.

feel free to download and use a marker pen to detail improvements

http://www.flickr.co

m/photos/73970391@N0

3/?saved=1
How rude! Jabba the hut does not deserve to be compared to Robert The Liar!

itsamess says...
6:45am Thu 12 Jan 12

I Too
Such a busy pub eh--cant see that nosey neighbour with military laser binoculars--how remiss of you miss that.

I Too says...
7:29am Thu 12 Jan 12

Oops!
I'm a bit amateur with arranging the site.
I thought I'd tucked the pub photos out of the way in a seperate folder.

I didn't want to set up a flickr site, but Bob insisted again and again.

I gave reasons for not wanting to, but then he called me a liar etc.

Still, it's quite useful for showing aerial photos that are related to these stories.

Any seasoned flickr users able to explain how to swap photos between flickr files.
When I last tried, it deleted a wind turbine photo.

itsamess says...
7:44am Thu 12 Jan 12

Ask Bob--he is there!

itsamess says...
7:58am Thu 12 Jan 12

Now i always thought we had finance officers who set the budget and then the councillors voted if to approve it.
Every year we hear of the oppositions alternative budget--so do we have financial officers to advise groups separately. I see very few of our councillors with qualifications in corporate finance.

Robfm says...
8:55am Thu 12 Jan 12

Oh dear more inane posting. From all these highly qualified professional people, clearly with too much time on their hands.

As for finding the consultation, I have said it before but worth repeating the SBC site is one of the most difficult to navigate I've seen. However given SBC never listen what's the point in even bothering.

A.Baron-Cohen says...
9:01am Thu 12 Jan 12

I am surprised that none of our councillors have yet travelled to the States where local authorities have been experiencing funding shortages for many years........

oldbutawake says...
9:18am Thu 12 Jan 12

I used the search on the SBC site for "Budget 2012" and up it came! Simples!

For those who can't manage that the link is

http://www.swindon.g
ov.uk/cd/cd-budgets/
cd-draft-council-bud
get-2012-13/Pages/Bu
dget-proposals-for-c
onsultation-2012-13.
aspx

itsamess says...
9:20am Thu 12 Jan 12

None of which have as many qualifications as you though Bob--or so you claim.

itsamess says...
9:31am Thu 12 Jan 12

oldbutawake
Big mistake as bob will be back telling us how he can single handedly resolve all of Swindons problems--despite the fact he could not even as he says navigate the site and find it.

Shirley Burnham says...
9:44am Thu 12 Jan 12

I am concerned at the proposed savings of 15 per cent in the Libraries book fund. It is the provision of books to our libraries that keeps them well-attended and popular. It is when footfall and borrowings decline that the public are then threatened with reductions in opening hours, staff or even library closures.
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The Council should advise how much these savings will equate to and whether it has analysed whether these will or will not disproportionately impact on usage and borrowing.
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It is disappointing that Libraries are to be targeted again. We have a lean, but very good service. Although I understand the financial pressures, please revisit this proposal; the social costs involved in providing a less excellent library service will outweigh any temporary financial gains.

blahblahblahblah says...
10:02am Thu 12 Jan 12

Shirley Burnham wrote:
I am concerned at the proposed savings of 15 per cent in the Libraries book fund. It is the provision of books to our libraries that keeps them well-attended and popular. It is when footfall and borrowings decline that the public are then threatened with reductions in opening hours, staff or even library closures.
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The Council should advise how much these savings will equate to and whether it has analysed whether these will or will not disproportionately impact on usage and borrowing.
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It is disappointing that Libraries are to be targeted again. We have a lean, but very good service. Although I understand the financial pressures, please revisit this proposal; the social costs involved in providing a less excellent library service will outweigh any temporary financial gains.
I find it sad that people are so nostalgic and against moving forward that they insist on funding for things that really should be cut back. New technology and culture means the vast majority of the last 2 generations have no need for or really want a library for it's books, but rather want internet access and digital reference materials.

Thnaks

itsamess says...
10:05am Thu 12 Jan 12

Shirley
Very thoughtful comments. The value of our libraries for leisure and learning is very under estimated.

Disco20 says...
10:08am Thu 12 Jan 12

This is when people will state that the tenants should have voted YES to the change from Council to H.A.
Speaking with a couple of people who have read up on what that change would have meant, to me, clearly shows that the vote went the wrong way.
If all tenants were FULLY educated, they would have known H.A. was the best way forward, now, we will all suffer thanks to cuts imposed...

With costs increasing everywhere, less money will be spent. People will be reluctant to pay even more for the current services available. IE, leisure facilities, no doubt these will be hit hard and less funding but higher prices, continuing the trend from the last 10 years.

Robfm says...
10:10am Thu 12 Jan 12

Once again the Nuclear Scientist fantasist seeks to denigrate a thread.

There are some relatively simple ways of attracting business to the town, which have been done successfully before.

Re-inventing the wheel is not necessary.

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...
10:13am Thu 12 Jan 12

Do we have services then? I thought my taxes just went into a black hole. The only services I can think of that I want/need are the bin collections. And they haven't even done that well over the last 6-8 weeks, either turning up late or not at all!

Disco20 says...
10:25am Thu 12 Jan 12

Robfm wrote:
Once again the Nuclear Scientist fantasist seeks to denigrate a thread. There are some relatively simple ways of attracting business to the town, which have been done successfully before. Re-inventing the wheel is not necessary.
Educate us oh wise Bob, how could we attract business to our beloved town?

I cannot see how we can turn around the declining fortunes of this town without a serious change in council culture.

itsamess says...
10:49am Thu 12 Jan 12

Denigrate the thread bobby--not at all
you could not find the consultation papers or budget--another posted a link. I agreed with Shirley. I am sure many more will give valuable contributions to the thread--except for you as you will undoubtedly try to steer it off track with your extreme political views.
As stated you have never worked in LAs nor have you been a councillor in an LA. Do you have a degree in any financial financial area--no you do not
you simply read what others say and get it wrong. That is one of the reasons you have stood for election several times and failed every time.
Try listening to general opinons and you might actually learn something.
B/S gets you nowhere.

A.Baron-Cohen says...
10:51am Thu 12 Jan 12

Disco20 wrote:
Robfm wrote:
Once again the Nuclear Scientist fantasist seeks to denigrate a thread. There are some relatively simple ways of attracting business to the town, which have been done successfully before. Re-inventing the wheel is not necessary.
Educate us oh wise Bob, how could we attract business to our beloved town?

I cannot see how we can turn around the declining fortunes of this town without a serious change in council culture.
I think we need to focus on providing services to the wards that contribute the most in terms of business rates and council tax.
Wards that contribute nothing or very little, shouldn't have police patrols, bin collections or benefit from council services.

blahblahblahblah says...
10:57am Thu 12 Jan 12

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Disco20 wrote:
Robfm wrote:
Once again the Nuclear Scientist fantasist seeks to denigrate a thread. There are some relatively simple ways of attracting business to the town, which have been done successfully before. Re-inventing the wheel is not necessary.
Educate us oh wise Bob, how could we attract business to our beloved town?

I cannot see how we can turn around the declining fortunes of this town without a serious change in council culture.
I think we need to focus on providing services to the wards that contribute the most in terms of business rates and council tax.
Wards that contribute nothing or very little, shouldn't have police patrols, bin collections or benefit from council services.
you sir would get my vote in an election.

I 2 Could B says...
11:18am Thu 12 Jan 12

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Disco20 wrote:
Robfm wrote: Once again the Nuclear Scientist fantasist seeks to denigrate a thread. There are some relatively simple ways of attracting business to the town, which have been done successfully before. Re-inventing the wheel is not necessary.
Educate us oh wise Bob, how could we attract business to our beloved town? I cannot see how we can turn around the declining fortunes of this town without a serious change in council culture.
I think we need to focus on providing services to the wards that contribute the most in terms of business rates and council tax. Wards that contribute nothing or very little, shouldn't have police patrols, bin collections or benefit from council services.
Agreed. Sadly, it's those very wards that shout the loudest and always get most of the money directed at (and wasted on) them.

BTW, don't encourage our councillors to fly over to the States for ideas - they'll be snapping up those Business Class transatlantic tickets before you can say, "Another £10k wasted?!"

Not overly sure of the necessity for libraries when virtually 100% of kids have access to the Internet these days - far more comprehensive and useful than any library could hope to be.

Robfm says...
12:06pm Thu 12 Jan 12

Libraries have lots of free wifi. Well not free the rate payer pays for it.

itsamess says...
5:38pm Thu 12 Jan 12

Bob
Do you ever read the councils websites or articles as like the library sites with clear rules and conditions as to what can be accessed and not. To the point it is not free to everyone. Do you also know the council has its own network at a greatly reduced price. That is a provision that aids students etc to enhance their studies and that all PCs are monitored. I think you will find that is why there is a small profit made from computer access. Yes we all pay for this via council tax and the council does not use all the capacity in the terms of internet provision.
Nothing at all wrong with encouraging students of families without computers to study on computers--if they are available.

Robfm says...
5:49pm Thu 12 Jan 12

IN a library they should be using books, or they could simply save a huge amount of money and invest in a number of council run internet cafes.

I think you are being delusional Walter if you believe there are a significant number of students without access to a compute, ipad or iphone.

Most schools now have huge computer resources.

itsamess says...
7:13pm Thu 12 Jan 12

They do indeed bobby--all schools have good resources--but after school and weekends and holidays many students do not have access to PCs. Schools etc have limited internet access as students are likely to be playing internet games instead of study.
There are many internet cafes around town for that kind of thing. Internet on i pads and phones can be expensive and coverage poor.
It is far easier for a student of any age to access information on credible sites known to be accurate and colleges and uni's block such sites a wiki which rely on the public to correct errors.
Books are a good source--however it is far easier to pull up-- using research methods-on a computer than it is in a book.
Thus my above comments are perfectly valid.

Robfm says...
7:37am Fri 13 Jan 12

Ah so Walter now agrees the internet is a good source for research, progress at last.

What a bizarre statement Iphones or ipads are no more expensive than computers if you are using wifi hot spots. Especially if you are a BT customer with their 'piggy back' system

Disco20 says...
3:25pm Fri 13 Jan 12

And so the fued continues.
A.B.C. had a valid point. However, to not spend any money on any ward wouldn't be the best way forward.
This council needs to be sensible with its money.
Propping up old building which are privately owned is a big NONO!
If the private investor cannot maintain it, order it to be flattened. Lets not all live in the past, lets look ahead and get rid of the historical nonsense that is keeping this town from escaping teh dark ages!

PS - Bobbo, not everyone is daft enough to go with BT. iPads and iPhones are more expensive than going to a cafe or using library facilities. Imagine this, no free wifi around, you have to use 3G, you run out of fee usage BOOM, your bill escalates to high spending..

Disco20 says...
3:26pm Fri 13 Jan 12

Excuse the typos, its Friday and i cannot be bothered to check my typing....

itsamess says...
4:36pm Fri 13 Jan 12

Bob
I qualified my remarks in stating credible sites--not micky mouse ones.

Robfm says...
6:57pm Fri 13 Jan 12

So stupid to have a fixed tariff where your bill is not dependent on usage. Can't said devices access wifi of the BT type.

Disco20 says...
10:43am Tue 17 Jan 12

Robfm wrote:
So stupid to have a fixed tariff where your bill is not dependent on usage. Can't said devices access wifi of the BT type.
Of course they can. But, unless you are near a free WiFi source, you will be using 3G...
Are you just being obtuse to get a reaction?

Robfm says...
10:48am Tue 17 Jan 12

BT claim 4 million locations where their customers can 'piggy back' that effectively means practically anywhere.

Disco20 says...
11:21am Fri 20 Jan 12

Robfm wrote:
BT claim 4 million locations where their customers can 'piggy back' that effectively means practically anywhere.
BT claim a lot of things. I have WiFi roaming on my phone and wouldnt trust un-protected internet connections.
If you log on to a non-coded WiFi, god knows who can log on and start hacking away at your phone...

Robfm says...
11:28am Fri 20 Jan 12

But the BT system is coded, you have to already be a customer, your login allows access.

Disco20 says...
11:42am Fri 20 Jan 12

In that case, BT customers are ok, but those that are not, may still want to use the Library...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...
1:34pm Fri 20 Jan 12

As a BT Openzone customer, I can confirm that their claims for coverage are somewhat exaggerated!

Robfm says...
6:56pm Fri 20 Jan 12

But of course you would. However I have never found a problem.

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