SWINDON TOWN: No cutting edge against Blades as Town grind out draw

Swindon Advertiser: Swindon Town's Gary Roberts in action last night against Sheffield United Swindon Town's Gary Roberts in action last night against Sheffield United

SWINDON Town ground out a gritty point with League One’s new leaders on a physical night at the County Ground.

Sheffield United came to Wiltshire boasting an unbeaten record and the Blades used all their bulk and muscle to protect it.

In contrast, Swindon had amongst their ranks a 17-year-old in Louis Thompson, an 18-year-old in Miles Storey and a group of players known more for their footballing brains than their brawn.

And in a fairly unattractive contest they manipulated their skills to their advantage and, missing six key players to injury, fought hard to earn what could become a crucial point.

Matt Ritchie hit the crossbar and Gary Roberts a post on an evening where real incident was scarce, while Nathan Thompson and Jay McEveley saved the Robins with two goalline blocks at the death.

Swindon started with a swagger and almost went in front within three minutes.

Ritchie collected a bobbling ball midway inside the Sheffield United half, neatly taking possession on his chest and volleying from 25 yards.

Blades goalkeeper George Long was beaten by the dipping effort, but it didn’t dip enough and bounced off the top of the crossbar and out for a goal-kick.

The visitors quickly went down the other end and enjoyed their first sight of goal through Chris Porter, but the striker could only head tamely at Wes Foderingham.

Town’s tempo in the early exchanges was so much more intense than the lackadaisical approach they took against Macclesfield in the FA Cup on Saturday, and they went close again in the 10th minute when Ritchie’s headed centre was nodded just wide of the near post by James Collins.

Ritchie seemed to be at the heart of everything the Robins did well in the first quarter of the game.

After 22 minutes he regained possession neatly inside the area but skewed his left-footed effort well wide of Long’s goal, while his cross from the right five minutes later ended with Simon Ferry heading gently at the Blades’ keeper.

Sheffield United were struggling to find any sort of rhythm. Though they tried to bully and manhandle the Swindon strikers, they could not cope with the trickery of Ritchie and Roberts.

The latter waltzed through a three challenges and a gap seemingly half his size to tee up Ferry in the 28th minute, and the Town captain matched the run with a shot of high class, with only the long, outstretched arm of Long preventing Swindon from nudging in front.

Ritchie had another pop at goal which was never likely to trouble long five minutes before the break and it took until the 41st minute for a Sheffield United side who failed to impress in the first half to test Foderingham.

In any case, Blackman’s curling effort from 20 yards was claimed with ease by the Town keeper.

With the visitors unable to impose themselves on proceedings, Swindon had one final chance to take a lead into half-time. However, Joe Devera could only head Ritchie’s cross wide of Long’s right-hand post and the two teams went into the break level.

Neither side seemed comfortable in the first 10 minutes after the interval, and it took Roberts striking the woodwork to finally spark the game back into life.

Williams guided the ball neatly into the winger’s path and Roberts composed himself before drilling at shot goalwards, which deflected off the legs of the diving Maguire and ricocheted back off the post.

Taking note of the warning shot, the Blades finally started to look threatening.

Ryan Flynn nodded Tony McMahon’s free-kick wide before turning provider to cross for Matt Hill, who couldn’t hit the target from eight yards out.

Swindon weren’t about to sit back and allow themselves to soak up pressure, however, and at the other end Devera’s header looped across goal without another red shirt making a killer connection.

Louis Thompson, who in starting alongside brother Nathan became one half of the first pair of siblings to start a game for Town since Alf and Bills Stephens in 1947, was the architect of the Robins’ next good chance on 70 minutes.

The midfielder dinked a brilliant cross into the area from the left and Collins rose well only to nod wide.

It was a rare moment of quality in a pretty underwhelming second half, but there was still a riveting conclusion for the 8,500 fans inside the County Ground.

In the final minute of normal time both Neill Collins and Maguire saw goalbound shots blocked on the line by a combination of McEveley and Nathan Thompson.

The last-ditch, committed blocks summed up Swindon’s performance. Rugged, if not handsome.

Paolo Di Canio was pleased with the Robins' performance and suggested his team were the better side on the night.

“We deserved to win, we dominated in the first half and the lads did very well. If we work hard like this we can do well in the future,” he said.

“Louis Thompson played his first game at this level and he did well, and the point is okay because we played against a side who will fight to win this league.

“They are big and physical and play the ball straight.

“We deserved to win, but the two blocks at the end proved that if you are focused you can do this.

“Maybe on Saturday they were not very.

“During the game for 45 minutes we played football, and I am very happy because we are in difficulty.

“They remain the unbeaten team in the league, but we are six points from them.

“But this will be hard for us to keep because we play against a lot of teams in a short period who are all up there.

“We never give up and do our best to stay there, but it unrealistic at the moment.”

Meanwhile, the Swindon boss spoke of his pleasure at finally being able to operate in the transfer market after the embargo hanging over the club was lifted yesterday.

“It is better now than a few hours ago, but it doesn’t mean tomorrow the plan changes because we still need to bring players in,” he said.

“I can focus my attention now and look at our next opponents (Walsall), who lost 4-1.

“I can now bring a challenge into the dressing room and the extra quality to help people improve.

“I can smile now. I am happy and I want to analyse the game tonight, but we will work to try and bring in some players.”

Meanwhile, Di Canio revealed after the game that Tommy Miller is set for up to six weeks on the sidelines with leg injury.

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6:32am Wed 7 Nov 12

Ollie Reed's Parky dance! says...

On reflexion a good point considering players that were missing. We are 6 points of the top two and have not yet clicked this season. I'm sure we are in for a great finish to this season.
On reflexion a good point considering players that were missing. We are 6 points of the top two and have not yet clicked this season. I'm sure we are in for a great finish to this season. Ollie Reed's Parky dance!

6:55am Wed 7 Nov 12

oz ashes says...

so with miller out for 6 weeks now navarro and bostock out for a month at least a couple of centre midfielders on loan please
so with miller out for 6 weeks now navarro and bostock out for a month at least a couple of centre midfielders on loan please oz ashes

7:22am Wed 7 Nov 12

Kingseleven says...

Misleading headline as we appear to have been the much better team on the night. And a happy PDC too.
Misleading headline as we appear to have been the much better team on the night. And a happy PDC too. Kingseleven

7:47am Wed 7 Nov 12

Since 1950 says...

Actually, I think it was Utd who ground out a point!
Town had the better of a scrappy first half with Utd not creating anything worth reporting.
2nd half it was reduced to keepy-uppy. They might as well of put a net up across the half way line and played header tennis. Not at all pretty to watch. Why can't we get the ball down and get back to our passing game?
I had us down for a draw last night so the result was no suprise. Against a tough physical Sheffield side who came for a point and with some inexperienced youngsters in our side we did well in the end to keep another clean sheet..
Actually, I think it was Utd who ground out a point! Town had the better of a scrappy first half with Utd not creating anything worth reporting. 2nd half it was reduced to keepy-uppy. They might as well of put a net up across the half way line and played header tennis. Not at all pretty to watch. Why can't we get the ball down and get back to our passing game? I had us down for a draw last night so the result was no suprise. Against a tough physical Sheffield side who came for a point and with some inexperienced youngsters in our side we did well in the end to keep another clean sheet.. Since 1950

7:49am Wed 7 Nov 12

graham81 says...

United were shocking. If that's whose top of the league we need to get Promoted ASAP. They had nothing about them whatsoever. Town much better
United were shocking. If that's whose top of the league we need to get Promoted ASAP. They had nothing about them whatsoever. Town much better graham81

7:53am Wed 7 Nov 12

graham81 says...

Why do we play long ball now? What happened to passing town? Paolo needs to wake up and notice its pointless hoofing ball up. Even a blind man could see this. Troy Archibald is the biggest waste of space ever. Get rid of him. I could do a better job than him
Why do we play long ball now? What happened to passing town? Paolo needs to wake up and notice its pointless hoofing ball up. Even a blind man could see this. Troy Archibald is the biggest waste of space ever. Get rid of him. I could do a better job than him graham81

8:00am Wed 7 Nov 12

Psychedelic Syd says...

Sheffield were very physical and Williams was fouled all night without anything being given his way. Both Thompsons did well although Nathan got a bit fond of high balls forward - must be the influence of Ward! We missed Flint at the back as they had big tall forwards and won a lot in the air. Ward was solid. Having said that Sheffield didn't look very good, just muscular although late second half they strung a few passes together. I thought it was 2 points dropped, we could and should have won.

Ferry was everywhere again and Collins held the ball up well although his first touch isn't always the best and he can slow things down. Williams still looked out of sorts and nowhere near his best form. I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon.

Roberts should have been taken off much earlier - another weak and ineffectual performance I'm afraid and he should have done better than hit the post in the second half. He is too slow in thought and action, his first touch was often poor and he doesn't have any fire in the tackle. He looks scared of getting stuck in, maybe the broken leg he suffered earlier in his career has affected him. Ritchie played reasonably well and Wes was good when he was called into action. Storey didn't get long enough on the pitch to impact on the game, Raffa gave a lot more than Roberts for the team once he came on, lots more urgency.

Still a big problem with high balls being lumped forward - madness when you looked at how small our team was compared to theirs.

Troy carried on where he left off against Macclesfield ........ Oh dear. If the tribunal had studied footage of him playing for Swindon I think they would have made Exeter pay us to take him off them and the embargo could have been avoided.

Mixed bag of a game but big improvement (unsurprisingly) from Saturday. We must start to get our act together at home, too many points dropped to mediocre teams and I would place Sheffield Utd in that category.
Sheffield were very physical and Williams was fouled all night without anything being given his way. Both Thompsons did well although Nathan got a bit fond of high balls forward - must be the influence of Ward! We missed Flint at the back as they had big tall forwards and won a lot in the air. Ward was solid. Having said that Sheffield didn't look very good, just muscular although late second half they strung a few passes together. I thought it was 2 points dropped, we could and should have won. Ferry was everywhere again and Collins held the ball up well although his first touch isn't always the best and he can slow things down. Williams still looked out of sorts and nowhere near his best form. I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. Roberts should have been taken off much earlier - another weak and ineffectual performance I'm afraid and he should have done better than hit the post in the second half. He is too slow in thought and action, his first touch was often poor and he doesn't have any fire in the tackle. He looks scared of getting stuck in, maybe the broken leg he suffered earlier in his career has affected him. Ritchie played reasonably well and Wes was good when he was called into action. Storey didn't get long enough on the pitch to impact on the game, Raffa gave a lot more than Roberts for the team once he came on, lots more urgency. Still a big problem with high balls being lumped forward - madness when you looked at how small our team was compared to theirs. Troy carried on where he left off against Macclesfield ........ Oh dear. If the tribunal had studied footage of him playing for Swindon I think they would have made Exeter pay us to take him off them and the embargo could have been avoided. Mixed bag of a game but big improvement (unsurprisingly) from Saturday. We must start to get our act together at home, too many points dropped to mediocre teams and I would place Sheffield Utd in that category. Psychedelic Syd

8:26am Wed 7 Nov 12

gingerdad says...

I suppose the BORING HOOFBALL was intended to protect Louis & Co in midfield as playing it on the deck proved hard because they shut everyone down quickly if we tried it. I agree that De Vita should be chosen over Roberts. WE can see the wisdon of PDCs comments about the dangers of playing youth too soon. How did Louis avoid a red card for his reckless challenge and Storey did almost the same thing when he came on. The fouling of Williams was so constant, the pushing people off the ball when heading so frequent and the refereeing decisions so weak and inexplicable that we started to think that the officials had been threatened or bought by some far-eastern betting syndicate. I would love The Washbag guys to do an analysis of the video and lead a public protest about the shocking standard of refereeing last nighjt. All credit to the players -normally that sort of complete failure to protect players results in lost tempers and a brawl.
I suppose the BORING HOOFBALL was intended to protect Louis & Co in midfield as playing it on the deck proved hard because they shut everyone down quickly if we tried it. I agree that De Vita should be chosen over Roberts. WE can see the wisdon of PDCs comments about the dangers of playing youth too soon. How did Louis avoid a red card for his reckless challenge and Storey did almost the same thing when he came on. The fouling of Williams was so constant, the pushing people off the ball when heading so frequent and the refereeing decisions so weak and inexplicable that we started to think that the officials had been threatened or bought by some far-eastern betting syndicate. I would love The Washbag guys to do an analysis of the video and lead a public protest about the shocking standard of refereeing last nighjt. All credit to the players -normally that sort of complete failure to protect players results in lost tempers and a brawl. gingerdad

8:46am Wed 7 Nov 12

graham81 says...

Just for the record what are the dangers of playing youth too soon ?? Storey should have been on much longer. 3 points are 3 points and we needed them last night which involves storey playing a lot more of the game than 15mins. He could have won that game for us last night
Just for the record what are the dangers of playing youth too soon ?? Storey should have been on much longer. 3 points are 3 points and we needed them last night which involves storey playing a lot more of the game than 15mins. He could have won that game for us last night graham81

8:52am Wed 7 Nov 12

London Red says...

I think a lot of people seem to forget that in a game of football there are TWO sides
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Now I wasn't there last night so won't comment on the game - but can comment in football in general as I have seen hundreds of games
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For example - who hear was really looking forward to the 2010 World Cup final - Holland famed for total football with players like Robben and Schneider up against Spain the "greatest team ever"
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Yet in reality it turned out to be a dire game because Holland just wanted to stop Sapin and kick the living daylights out of them
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Or last year when Chelsea bored their way to the Champions League Title
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They came up against sides like Barca and Bayern who ususally play unbelievable football - yet not when Chelsea were in town!
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Then we had Euro 2012 - I really really wanted Spain knocked out as I was totally boared of their 460 formation up against a 901 formation and it just being knocked around the defence and midfield 100 times only to go back to the keeper just to start over again
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Those examples above show that even if you are the best team in the world you can not always impose your play if the opposition will not let you - and we are not the best team in the world we are a decent L1 side - which is a long way below the best in the wolrd level
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Its clear Sheff Utd tatics this season (especially away) is to not lose and sneak a few wins (the old point away and win your home games)
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Thet set themselves up to stiffle teams, harry them and offer nothing going forward and rely on odd break aways or a set piece - and fair play to them while not pretty it certainly is working as they are top and unbeaten!
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Sheff Utd are not the only team to do that at the CG this year - so if people except us to simply pass it about and run riot they are in for a shock!
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Yes we could do it in L2 more as the opposition were not as good and therefore we could get a breakthrough and destroy their game plan - open them up and then start to play
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However -this year we are not getting that break and it doesn't pan out like that
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Had Ritchie's header against Coventry gone in or his shot last night dipped in those games might have been totally different and we could have been able to play football
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Its no coincidence that our best football displays come against higher league opposition or others who like to play football too so do not just look just to stifle us - Villa and Pompey spring to mind
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I don't think PdC has simply said right lets just go out as 2 banks of 4 and I want it hit long to the forwards as often as possible
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Its just that when players are marked out of the game or harried that they end up in trouble players start to look for a safer option - which is usually a hoof away as they can;t score in their own half
I think a lot of people seem to forget that in a game of football there are TWO sides . Now I wasn't there last night so won't comment on the game - but can comment in football in general as I have seen hundreds of games . For example - who hear was really looking forward to the 2010 World Cup final - Holland famed for total football with players like Robben and Schneider up against Spain the "greatest team ever" . Yet in reality it turned out to be a dire game because Holland just wanted to stop Sapin and kick the living daylights out of them . Or last year when Chelsea bored their way to the Champions League Title . They came up against sides like Barca and Bayern who ususally play unbelievable football - yet not when Chelsea were in town! . Then we had Euro 2012 - I really really wanted Spain knocked out as I was totally boared of their 460 formation up against a 901 formation and it just being knocked around the defence and midfield 100 times only to go back to the keeper just to start over again . Those examples above show that even if you are the best team in the world you can not always impose your play if the opposition will not let you - and we are not the best team in the world we are a decent L1 side - which is a long way below the best in the wolrd level . Its clear Sheff Utd tatics this season (especially away) is to not lose and sneak a few wins (the old point away and win your home games) . Thet set themselves up to stiffle teams, harry them and offer nothing going forward and rely on odd break aways or a set piece - and fair play to them while not pretty it certainly is working as they are top and unbeaten! . Sheff Utd are not the only team to do that at the CG this year - so if people except us to simply pass it about and run riot they are in for a shock! . Yes we could do it in L2 more as the opposition were not as good and therefore we could get a breakthrough and destroy their game plan - open them up and then start to play . However -this year we are not getting that break and it doesn't pan out like that . Had Ritchie's header against Coventry gone in or his shot last night dipped in those games might have been totally different and we could have been able to play football . Its no coincidence that our best football displays come against higher league opposition or others who like to play football too so do not just look just to stifle us - Villa and Pompey spring to mind . I don't think PdC has simply said right lets just go out as 2 banks of 4 and I want it hit long to the forwards as often as possible . Its just that when players are marked out of the game or harried that they end up in trouble players start to look for a safer option - which is usually a hoof away as they can;t score in their own half London Red

8:57am Wed 7 Nov 12

Lordjim13 says...

It's all very well saying 'get it down and play it on the ground' but when there are gorillas throwing their weight around in the midfield and a ref that lets them, it's not easy at this level! After a while I thought Collins and Williams started to do suprisingly well from the more carefully aimed 'hoofs'. I didn't think we missed Flint at all, Devera was excellent--consideri
ng he gave away about a foot to their forwards he won most of the balls in the air and about everything on the ground--true battle and never switched off. I think with Miller's height and nous in midfield we could have got our game going more.

The left flank let us down, though, despite Roberts having the best chance.

The ref didn't give us a chance to play football anyway, as usual. Hard to play football when somebody's giving you a bear-hug!

Good point in my book.
It's all very well saying 'get it down and play it on the ground' but when there are gorillas throwing their weight around in the midfield and a ref that lets them, it's not easy at this level! After a while I thought Collins and Williams started to do suprisingly well from the more carefully aimed 'hoofs'. I didn't think we missed Flint at all, Devera was excellent--consideri ng he gave away about a foot to their forwards he won most of the balls in the air and about everything on the ground--true battle and never switched off. I think with Miller's height and nous in midfield we could have got our game going more. The left flank let us down, though, despite Roberts having the best chance. The ref didn't give us a chance to play football anyway, as usual. Hard to play football when somebody's giving you a bear-hug! Good point in my book. Lordjim13

9:03am Wed 7 Nov 12

London Red says...

Storey could have won the game for us?
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And that is based on what - 80 mins of football?
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Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us?
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People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo
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Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure
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Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were
Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were London Red

9:10am Wed 7 Nov 12

graham81 says...

London Red wrote:
Storey could have won the game for us?
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And that is based on what - 80 mins of football?
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Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us?
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People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo
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Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure
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Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were
Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were[/p][/quote]Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere graham81

9:10am Wed 7 Nov 12

Baritone says...

I think that Psychedelic Sid presented a clear, concise and excellent review of last night's "non-event". However, I do disagree with him about Flint. Of course he was missed in that his big, booming headers look spectacular and (momentarily) represent defensive safety but he cannot direct those headers - a hard thing to do and often impossible, I know - but the ball inevitably comes back again, almost immediately. The real danger with Flint is his groundwork. He is crude in his tackling, shows poor timing and has difficult passing the ball to a colleague unmarked a few feet away. I do not believe that he has improved in the slightest since he joined, whilst ambitions have risen from promotion from Div.2 to promotion to the Championship. At least he cannot do us any harm for the last three games of his ban.
I think that Psychedelic Sid presented a clear, concise and excellent review of last night's "non-event". However, I do disagree with him about Flint. Of course he was missed in that his big, booming headers look spectacular and (momentarily) represent defensive safety but he cannot direct those headers - a hard thing to do and often impossible, I know - but the ball inevitably comes back again, almost immediately. The real danger with Flint is his groundwork. He is crude in his tackling, shows poor timing and has difficult passing the ball to a colleague unmarked a few feet away. I do not believe that he has improved in the slightest since he joined, whilst ambitions have risen from promotion from Div.2 to promotion to the Championship. At least he cannot do us any harm for the last three games of his ban. Baritone

9:11am Wed 7 Nov 12

Is that you Lovesey says...

I thought we played ok, Roberts should have had a pen when he was dragged to the floor by his face (their no 5). Loui did well and lets face it utd ground out the point, I can say they are a big strong team who I wouldn't want to watch every week, the crowd was dissapointing to say the least....
I thought we played ok, Roberts should have had a pen when he was dragged to the floor by his face (their no 5). Loui did well and lets face it utd ground out the point, I can say they are a big strong team who I wouldn't want to watch every week, the crowd was dissapointing to say the least.... Is that you Lovesey

9:13am Wed 7 Nov 12

Baritone says...

Forgot to mention that we badly missed the "generalship" of McCormack last night. Ferry is a good fighter of a player and I do not question his value to the side as a player but he is no captain.
Forgot to mention that we badly missed the "generalship" of McCormack last night. Ferry is a good fighter of a player and I do not question his value to the side as a player but he is no captain. Baritone

9:14am Wed 7 Nov 12

Malkym says...

graham81 wrote:
Why do we play long ball now? What happened to passing town? Paolo needs to wake up and notice its pointless hoofing ball up. Even a blind man could see this. Troy Archibald is the biggest waste of space ever. Get rid of him. I could do a better job than him
Interesting your views on TAH - granted he's been played out of position -he's never midfield but I'm afraid I don't see him better than Flint -apart from the red mist so maybe his discipline is better.
[quote][p][bold]graham81[/bold] wrote: Why do we play long ball now? What happened to passing town? Paolo needs to wake up and notice its pointless hoofing ball up. Even a blind man could see this. Troy Archibald is the biggest waste of space ever. Get rid of him. I could do a better job than him[/p][/quote]Interesting your views on TAH - granted he's been played out of position -he's never midfield but I'm afraid I don't see him better than Flint -apart from the red mist so maybe his discipline is better. Malkym

9:21am Wed 7 Nov 12

Malkym says...

graham81 wrote:
London Red wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were
Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere
Agree with both points - but LR is right - he could have been on for 90mins last night and had the same impact as W & C up front - "the bog roll two"

Syd - I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. LOVE IT SYD

Taxis for Jay Mac - Roberts - Collins and TAH -don't see many of the "TAH greatest thing since sliced bread" fans on here lately - how much better than Flinty etc - not for me -sorry!
[quote][p][bold]graham81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were[/p][/quote]Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere[/p][/quote]Agree with both points - but LR is right - he could have been on for 90mins last night and had the same impact as W & C up front - "the bog roll two" Syd - I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. LOVE IT SYD Taxis for Jay Mac - Roberts - Collins and TAH -don't see many of the "TAH greatest thing since sliced bread" fans on here lately - how much better than Flinty etc - not for me -sorry! Malkym

9:23am Wed 7 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

A point from last night's game is not a bad result. Perhps the poor standard of football could be accepted in a one-off tense battle. But the disappointing thing is that lumping the ball forward now seems to be the norm rather than the exception.
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Colchester (2nd from bottom?) came here, passed the ball out from the back and deservedly beat us. Even Macclesfield played far more football than we did. We have an expensively built squad and we have a manager who is continually lauded for playing good football, so something is not right.
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Lordjim, I agree the ref was poor and perhaps he didn't give us the chance to play football - but "as usual"? Have we had this ref before? Or is it all refs that don't give us the chance to play football? And if none of them gives us the chance to play football, how come Coventry, Colchester and Macclesfield had no trouble playing it around on the deck, while we hoofed it in all three games?
A point from last night's game is not a bad result. Perhps the poor standard of football could be accepted in a one-off tense battle. But the disappointing thing is that lumping the ball forward now seems to be the norm rather than the exception. . Colchester (2nd from bottom?) came here, passed the ball out from the back and deservedly beat us. Even Macclesfield played far more football than we did. We have an expensively built squad and we have a manager who is continually lauded for playing good football, so something is not right. . Lordjim, I agree the ref was poor and perhaps he didn't give us the chance to play football - but "as usual"? Have we had this ref before? Or is it all refs that don't give us the chance to play football? And if none of them gives us the chance to play football, how come Coventry, Colchester and Macclesfield had no trouble playing it around on the deck, while we hoofed it in all three games? Oi Den!

9:27am Wed 7 Nov 12

southside7 says...

Would play Devera and Flint together, thought after a bit of a shaky start Joe was outstanding. Macca fighting in midfield with Ferry alongside, Bostock there at the ready. Roberts dropped for De Vita. Give Williams a chance, only just back from injury, once he gets firing again, he'll do the business. Sign McDonald from Utd, class player.
Would play Devera and Flint together, thought after a bit of a shaky start Joe was outstanding. Macca fighting in midfield with Ferry alongside, Bostock there at the ready. Roberts dropped for De Vita. Give Williams a chance, only just back from injury, once he gets firing again, he'll do the business. Sign McDonald from Utd, class player. southside7

9:30am Wed 7 Nov 12

Stratton Red says...

On reflection a good performance and a fair result with us just edging it.
*
No mention of Thompson's tackle anywhere - could have easily been a straight red and thought the ref, who was dire, was quite lenient.
On reflection a good performance and a fair result with us just edging it. * No mention of Thompson's tackle anywhere - could have easily been a straight red and thought the ref, who was dire, was quite lenient. Stratton Red

9:36am Wed 7 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Malkym wrote:
graham81 wrote:
London Red wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were
Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere
Agree with both points - but LR is right - he could have been on for 90mins last night and had the same impact as W & C up front - "the bog roll two"

Syd - I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. LOVE IT SYD

Taxis for Jay Mac - Roberts - Collins and TAH -don't see many of the "TAH greatest thing since sliced bread" fans on here lately - how much better than Flinty etc - not for me -sorry!
A bit harsh on the front two. At the moment, I'm struggling to recall a single incisive pass through to either of them. I think it's time PDC came clean about our style of football. Either he has abandoned his principles or he doesn't have the faith in his players to stick to them. I think it's probably the latter. We are desperately in need of that midfield ball winner and I don't think any of last night's absentees fits the bill, with the possible exception of McCormack. As PDC has spent his early season £4m and most of the £500,000 reserved for January, it's hard to see how we can recruit the player we need, without a big money sale.
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were[/p][/quote]Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere[/p][/quote]Agree with both points - but LR is right - he could have been on for 90mins last night and had the same impact as W & C up front - "the bog roll two" Syd - I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. LOVE IT SYD Taxis for Jay Mac - Roberts - Collins and TAH -don't see many of the "TAH greatest thing since sliced bread" fans on here lately - how much better than Flinty etc - not for me -sorry![/p][/quote]A bit harsh on the front two. At the moment, I'm struggling to recall a single incisive pass through to either of them. I think it's time PDC came clean about our style of football. Either he has abandoned his principles or he doesn't have the faith in his players to stick to them. I think it's probably the latter. We are desperately in need of that midfield ball winner and I don't think any of last night's absentees fits the bill, with the possible exception of McCormack. As PDC has spent his early season £4m and most of the £500,000 reserved for January, it's hard to see how we can recruit the player we need, without a big money sale. Oi Den!

9:39am Wed 7 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

southside7 wrote:
Would play Devera and Flint together, thought after a bit of a shaky start Joe was outstanding. Macca fighting in midfield with Ferry alongside, Bostock there at the ready. Roberts dropped for De Vita. Give Williams a chance, only just back from injury, once he gets firing again, he'll do the business. Sign McDonald from Utd, class player.
100% agree. Hard to see you getting your wish on McDonald though!
[quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: Would play Devera and Flint together, thought after a bit of a shaky start Joe was outstanding. Macca fighting in midfield with Ferry alongside, Bostock there at the ready. Roberts dropped for De Vita. Give Williams a chance, only just back from injury, once he gets firing again, he'll do the business. Sign McDonald from Utd, class player.[/p][/quote]100% agree. Hard to see you getting your wish on McDonald though! Oi Den!

9:52am Wed 7 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Malkym wrote:
graham81 wrote:
London Red wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were
Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere
Agree with both points - but LR is right - he could have been on for 90mins last night and had the same impact as W & C up front - "the bog roll two" Syd - I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. LOVE IT SYD Taxis for Jay Mac - Roberts - Collins and TAH -don't see many of the "TAH greatest thing since sliced bread" fans on here lately - how much better than Flinty etc - not for me -sorry!
A bit harsh on the front two. At the moment, I'm struggling to recall a single incisive pass through to either of them. I think it's time PDC came clean about our style of football. Either he has abandoned his principles or he doesn't have the faith in his players to stick to them. I think it's probably the latter. We are desperately in need of that midfield ball winner and I don't think any of last night's absentees fits the bill, with the possible exception of McCormack. As PDC has spent his early season £4m and most of the £500,000 reserved for January, it's hard to see how we can recruit the player we need, without a big money sale.
Yes a bit harsh maybe- and their service was poor - particularly from the flanks - Roberts ineffective and MR faded after a good start -but all too often last night Collins wasn't in the box where he should have been and on the rare occasions we did get look to get a cross in - no one there.

I'd start RDV any day in front of Roberts and on the plus side the two Thompson boys continue to impress notwithstanding Nathan's horrendous A & E tackle!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were[/p][/quote]Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere[/p][/quote]Agree with both points - but LR is right - he could have been on for 90mins last night and had the same impact as W & C up front - "the bog roll two" Syd - I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. LOVE IT SYD Taxis for Jay Mac - Roberts - Collins and TAH -don't see many of the "TAH greatest thing since sliced bread" fans on here lately - how much better than Flinty etc - not for me -sorry![/p][/quote]A bit harsh on the front two. At the moment, I'm struggling to recall a single incisive pass through to either of them. I think it's time PDC came clean about our style of football. Either he has abandoned his principles or he doesn't have the faith in his players to stick to them. I think it's probably the latter. We are desperately in need of that midfield ball winner and I don't think any of last night's absentees fits the bill, with the possible exception of McCormack. As PDC has spent his early season £4m and most of the £500,000 reserved for January, it's hard to see how we can recruit the player we need, without a big money sale.[/p][/quote]Yes a bit harsh maybe- and their service was poor - particularly from the flanks - Roberts ineffective and MR faded after a good start -but all too often last night Collins wasn't in the box where he should have been and on the rare occasions we did get look to get a cross in - no one there. I'd start RDV any day in front of Roberts and on the plus side the two Thompson boys continue to impress notwithstanding Nathan's horrendous A & E tackle! Malkym

10:04am Wed 7 Nov 12

Since 1950 says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
I thought we played ok, Roberts should have had a pen when he was dragged to the floor by his face (their no 5). Loui did well and lets face it utd ground out the point, I can say they are a big strong team who I wouldn't want to watch every week, the crowd was dissapointing to say the least....
Not a good crowd last night agreed. However, 3rd game in a week and some would have been put off after 'that' game on Saturday. Okay, the price was reduced for the FA Cup game, but you still have to get there and it still costs a few bob for something to eat and drink if you rush from work and/or have kids with you. 8,500 ish not too bad for a night game but might have been more on a Saturday?
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: I thought we played ok, Roberts should have had a pen when he was dragged to the floor by his face (their no 5). Loui did well and lets face it utd ground out the point, I can say they are a big strong team who I wouldn't want to watch every week, the crowd was dissapointing to say the least....[/p][/quote]Not a good crowd last night agreed. However, 3rd game in a week and some would have been put off after 'that' game on Saturday. Okay, the price was reduced for the FA Cup game, but you still have to get there and it still costs a few bob for something to eat and drink if you rush from work and/or have kids with you. 8,500 ish not too bad for a night game but might have been more on a Saturday? Since 1950

10:04am Wed 7 Nov 12

sadgit says...

On a different note, why so many injuries this season?
I thought the rigorous training was supposed to alieviate this but it seems to have had the opposite affect.
Too much training perhaps?
(How much training is needed just to hoof the ball as far as possible at every opportunity?)
As Den suggests perhaps Paolo does not have the confidence in his midfield to play any other way.
I hope it can be remedied soon as attendances are dropping already and will continue to do so if the hoofball remains.
On a different note, why so many injuries this season? I thought the rigorous training was supposed to alieviate this but it seems to have had the opposite affect. Too much training perhaps? (How much training is needed just to hoof the ball as far as possible at every opportunity?) As Den suggests perhaps Paolo does not have the confidence in his midfield to play any other way. I hope it can be remedied soon as attendances are dropping already and will continue to do so if the hoofball remains. sadgit

10:11am Wed 7 Nov 12

graham81 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Malkym wrote:
graham81 wrote:
London Red wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were
Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere
Agree with both points - but LR is right - he could have been on for 90mins last night and had the same impact as W & C up front - "the bog roll two"

Syd - I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. LOVE IT SYD

Taxis for Jay Mac - Roberts - Collins and TAH -don't see many of the "TAH greatest thing since sliced bread" fans on here lately - how much better than Flinty etc - not for me -sorry!
A bit harsh on the front two. At the moment, I'm struggling to recall a single incisive pass through to either of them. I think it's time PDC came clean about our style of football. Either he has abandoned his principles or he doesn't have the faith in his players to stick to them. I think it's probably the latter. We are desperately in need of that midfield ball winner and I don't think any of last night's absentees fits the bill, with the possible exception of McCormack. As PDC has spent his early season £4m and most of the £500,000 reserved for January, it's hard to see how we can recruit the player we need, without a big money sale.
Last night for me was a 6 pointer and to bring him on so late was beyond me. You want to rest him or bring him slowly then don't use him in the lesser games. It was easy to see last night we missed some pace up front, now that we use long ball tactics you need someone on the end with pace. I would have brought him on just after half time. A big 2 points dropped last night
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were[/p][/quote]Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere[/p][/quote]Agree with both points - but LR is right - he could have been on for 90mins last night and had the same impact as W & C up front - "the bog roll two" Syd - I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. LOVE IT SYD Taxis for Jay Mac - Roberts - Collins and TAH -don't see many of the "TAH greatest thing since sliced bread" fans on here lately - how much better than Flinty etc - not for me -sorry![/p][/quote]A bit harsh on the front two. At the moment, I'm struggling to recall a single incisive pass through to either of them. I think it's time PDC came clean about our style of football. Either he has abandoned his principles or he doesn't have the faith in his players to stick to them. I think it's probably the latter. We are desperately in need of that midfield ball winner and I don't think any of last night's absentees fits the bill, with the possible exception of McCormack. As PDC has spent his early season £4m and most of the £500,000 reserved for January, it's hard to see how we can recruit the player we need, without a big money sale.[/p][/quote]Last night for me was a 6 pointer and to bring him on so late was beyond me. You want to rest him or bring him slowly then don't use him in the lesser games. It was easy to see last night we missed some pace up front, now that we use long ball tactics you need someone on the end with pace. I would have brought him on just after half time. A big 2 points dropped last night graham81

10:44am Wed 7 Nov 12

stfc2012 says...

sadgit wrote:
On a different note, why so many injuries this season?
I thought the rigorous training was supposed to alieviate this but it seems to have had the opposite affect.
Too much training perhaps?
(How much training is needed just to hoof the ball as far as possible at every opportunity?)
As Den suggests perhaps Paolo does not have the confidence in his midfield to play any other way.
I hope it can be remedied soon as attendances are dropping already and will continue to do so if the hoofball remains.
Injury record is terrible. Was far better when Kate Kady was at the club. Players being run in to the ground and look a bit jaded in games. Desperate game of long ball all night long last night. Very little skill on display. We never, ever play the ball out from the back from goal kicks. Sign of a team lacking passing ability. Ritchie rarely beats anyone these days as he is now found out. Troy in midfield plays like Patrick Kanuka. Ref wasn't great but not as bad as everyone sees with their red tinted glasses. STFC missing a match winning player. Plenty of mediocre players out there and probably more to come if signings continue along the same level. Ship out the duds at xmas and freshen things up. We are in a decent league position but football wise we suck.
[quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: On a different note, why so many injuries this season? I thought the rigorous training was supposed to alieviate this but it seems to have had the opposite affect. Too much training perhaps? (How much training is needed just to hoof the ball as far as possible at every opportunity?) As Den suggests perhaps Paolo does not have the confidence in his midfield to play any other way. I hope it can be remedied soon as attendances are dropping already and will continue to do so if the hoofball remains.[/p][/quote]Injury record is terrible. Was far better when Kate Kady was at the club. Players being run in to the ground and look a bit jaded in games. Desperate game of long ball all night long last night. Very little skill on display. We never, ever play the ball out from the back from goal kicks. Sign of a team lacking passing ability. Ritchie rarely beats anyone these days as he is now found out. Troy in midfield plays like Patrick Kanuka. Ref wasn't great but not as bad as everyone sees with their red tinted glasses. STFC missing a match winning player. Plenty of mediocre players out there and probably more to come if signings continue along the same level. Ship out the duds at xmas and freshen things up. We are in a decent league position but football wise we suck. stfc2012

10:48am Wed 7 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

graham81 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Malkym wrote:
graham81 wrote:
London Red wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were
Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere
Agree with both points - but LR is right - he could have been on for 90mins last night and had the same impact as W & C up front - "the bog roll two"

Syd - I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. LOVE IT SYD

Taxis for Jay Mac - Roberts - Collins and TAH -don't see many of the "TAH greatest thing since sliced bread" fans on here lately - how much better than Flinty etc - not for me -sorry!
A bit harsh on the front two. At the moment, I'm struggling to recall a single incisive pass through to either of them. I think it's time PDC came clean about our style of football. Either he has abandoned his principles or he doesn't have the faith in his players to stick to them. I think it's probably the latter. We are desperately in need of that midfield ball winner and I don't think any of last night's absentees fits the bill, with the possible exception of McCormack. As PDC has spent his early season £4m and most of the £500,000 reserved for January, it's hard to see how we can recruit the player we need, without a big money sale.
Last night for me was a 6 pointer and to bring him on so late was beyond me. You want to rest him or bring him slowly then don't use him in the lesser games. It was easy to see last night we missed some pace up front, now that we use long ball tactics you need someone on the end with pace. I would have brought him on just after half time. A big 2 points dropped last night
I'm with you and agin you. We saw what Storey can do when he came on against Villa, but that was with service on the deck. I would have hated to see him start last night and spend the whole game competing with brick sh!thouses for a string of long high balls. Play him by all means but play the ball to his feet.
[quote][p][bold]graham81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were[/p][/quote]Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere[/p][/quote]Agree with both points - but LR is right - he could have been on for 90mins last night and had the same impact as W & C up front - "the bog roll two" Syd - I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. LOVE IT SYD Taxis for Jay Mac - Roberts - Collins and TAH -don't see many of the "TAH greatest thing since sliced bread" fans on here lately - how much better than Flinty etc - not for me -sorry![/p][/quote]A bit harsh on the front two. At the moment, I'm struggling to recall a single incisive pass through to either of them. I think it's time PDC came clean about our style of football. Either he has abandoned his principles or he doesn't have the faith in his players to stick to them. I think it's probably the latter. We are desperately in need of that midfield ball winner and I don't think any of last night's absentees fits the bill, with the possible exception of McCormack. As PDC has spent his early season £4m and most of the £500,000 reserved for January, it's hard to see how we can recruit the player we need, without a big money sale.[/p][/quote]Last night for me was a 6 pointer and to bring him on so late was beyond me. You want to rest him or bring him slowly then don't use him in the lesser games. It was easy to see last night we missed some pace up front, now that we use long ball tactics you need someone on the end with pace. I would have brought him on just after half time. A big 2 points dropped last night[/p][/quote]I'm with you and agin you. We saw what Storey can do when he came on against Villa, but that was with service on the deck. I would have hated to see him start last night and spend the whole game competing with brick sh!thouses for a string of long high balls. Play him by all means but play the ball to his feet. Oi Den!

10:50am Wed 7 Nov 12

southside7 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
southside7 wrote:
Would play Devera and Flint together, thought after a bit of a shaky start Joe was outstanding. Macca fighting in midfield with Ferry alongside, Bostock there at the ready. Roberts dropped for De Vita. Give Williams a chance, only just back from injury, once he gets firing again, he'll do the business. Sign McDonald from Utd, class player.
100% agree. Hard to see you getting your wish on McDonald though!
I know, serious wishful thinking there. on a more abstract note, i wonder if Louis is any good at left back? pace down the right and left then? jay well out of sorts.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: Would play Devera and Flint together, thought after a bit of a shaky start Joe was outstanding. Macca fighting in midfield with Ferry alongside, Bostock there at the ready. Roberts dropped for De Vita. Give Williams a chance, only just back from injury, once he gets firing again, he'll do the business. Sign McDonald from Utd, class player.[/p][/quote]100% agree. Hard to see you getting your wish on McDonald though![/p][/quote]I know, serious wishful thinking there. on a more abstract note, i wonder if Louis is any good at left back? pace down the right and left then? jay well out of sorts. southside7

10:52am Wed 7 Nov 12

graham81 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
graham81 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Malkym wrote:
graham81 wrote:
London Red wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were
Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere
Agree with both points - but LR is right - he could have been on for 90mins last night and had the same impact as W & C up front - "the bog roll two"

Syd - I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. LOVE IT SYD

Taxis for Jay Mac - Roberts - Collins and TAH -don't see many of the "TAH greatest thing since sliced bread" fans on here lately - how much better than Flinty etc - not for me -sorry!
A bit harsh on the front two. At the moment, I'm struggling to recall a single incisive pass through to either of them. I think it's time PDC came clean about our style of football. Either he has abandoned his principles or he doesn't have the faith in his players to stick to them. I think it's probably the latter. We are desperately in need of that midfield ball winner and I don't think any of last night's absentees fits the bill, with the possible exception of McCormack. As PDC has spent his early season £4m and most of the £500,000 reserved for January, it's hard to see how we can recruit the player we need, without a big money sale.
Last night for me was a 6 pointer and to bring him on so late was beyond me. You want to rest him or bring him slowly then don't use him in the lesser games. It was easy to see last night we missed some pace up front, now that we use long ball tactics you need someone on the end with pace. I would have brought him on just after half time. A big 2 points dropped last night
I'm with you and agin you. We saw what Storey can do when he came on against Villa, but that was with service on the deck. I would have hated to see him start last night and spend the whole game competing with brick sh!thouses for a string of long high balls. Play him by all means but play the ball to his feet.
Yes therefore 2 points - 1. He should have played longer last night 2. STOP THIS RIDICULOUS LONG BALL TACTICS THAT WE NOW USE !!!! so frustrating and a complete waste of time we never win the headers
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were[/p][/quote]Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere[/p][/quote]Agree with both points - but LR is right - he could have been on for 90mins last night and had the same impact as W & C up front - "the bog roll two" Syd - I think McEvely is a bit like the scarecrow in Wizard of Oz - he doesn't appear to have a brain although they did put a bandage round his head last night to try and protect the remaining cell. Hope it grows back soon. LOVE IT SYD Taxis for Jay Mac - Roberts - Collins and TAH -don't see many of the "TAH greatest thing since sliced bread" fans on here lately - how much better than Flinty etc - not for me -sorry![/p][/quote]A bit harsh on the front two. At the moment, I'm struggling to recall a single incisive pass through to either of them. I think it's time PDC came clean about our style of football. Either he has abandoned his principles or he doesn't have the faith in his players to stick to them. I think it's probably the latter. We are desperately in need of that midfield ball winner and I don't think any of last night's absentees fits the bill, with the possible exception of McCormack. As PDC has spent his early season £4m and most of the £500,000 reserved for January, it's hard to see how we can recruit the player we need, without a big money sale.[/p][/quote]Last night for me was a 6 pointer and to bring him on so late was beyond me. You want to rest him or bring him slowly then don't use him in the lesser games. It was easy to see last night we missed some pace up front, now that we use long ball tactics you need someone on the end with pace. I would have brought him on just after half time. A big 2 points dropped last night[/p][/quote]I'm with you and agin you. We saw what Storey can do when he came on against Villa, but that was with service on the deck. I would have hated to see him start last night and spend the whole game competing with brick sh!thouses for a string of long high balls. Play him by all means but play the ball to his feet.[/p][/quote]Yes therefore 2 points - 1. He should have played longer last night 2. STOP THIS RIDICULOUS LONG BALL TACTICS THAT WE NOW USE !!!! so frustrating and a complete waste of time we never win the headers graham81

11:14am Wed 7 Nov 12

Wilesy says...

graham81 wrote:
London Red wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were
Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere
Not saying Storey would have won the game for us, but as the man in form, and with the other strikers blowing cold at the moment it makes sense to give him more than 10 minutes imo.

Despite the long ball tactics he made a few things happen last night in his 10 minutes, and looks miles (ahem) better than Collins.

A word on the ref, I thought he was OK, it wasn't his fault that Sheff Utd outmuscled us and won 99% of the headers!
[quote][p][bold]graham81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Storey could have won the game for us? . And that is based on what - 80 mins of football? . Benson, Collins and Rooney have all scored goals from the off and when coming on - as too has RDV - could none of them have won the game for us? . People have gone too far in their belief that Storey is suddenly Messi or Ronaldo . Thats the danger - they get too much hype and too much pressure . Then when they c0ck up (which they will as they are kids) they get excessive amount of criticsm as people have blown them up beyond what they were[/p][/quote]Still deserves more of an opportunity than 15 mins. He has to start somewhere[/p][/quote]Not saying Storey would have won the game for us, but as the man in form, and with the other strikers blowing cold at the moment it makes sense to give him more than 10 minutes imo. Despite the long ball tactics he made a few things happen last night in his 10 minutes, and looks miles (ahem) better than Collins. A word on the ref, I thought he was OK, it wasn't his fault that Sheff Utd outmuscled us and won 99% of the headers! Wilesy

11:38am Wed 7 Nov 12

the wizard says...

I don't think Storey came on until later because of the physical calibre of the opposition.. There is no point in sending him out against hardened L1 defenders that are twice his size and half his ball skills. The difference of him playing against Villa was the Villa defenders have much more skill and experience and were able to play the ball as opposed to playing the player and him getting injured.

We could learn much from looking at the big back four they had, without Flints height and McCormacs muscle our back line is somewhat frail looking by comparison.

Perhaps before slating Jay Macca for his game last night we should bear in mind the head injury that required six stitches and a sore head to go with it, but he remained on the pitch and did his best. Thought Ward had a decent game and cleared away everything that came his way. I don't think we should be over critical in any way, especially bearing in mind the ref had his eyes firmly shut with regard to the constant fouling of Williams and others. A word for Devera, who had one of his better games. A very difficult side to play against, well set up to gain a point, that was their purpose and they did it. Hats off to them, their tactics out shone ours due to our lack of player choice. Better things to come soon I'm sure. A point gained against a side that will not concede too many goals this season and will be there or there abouts come April/May.
I don't think Storey came on until later because of the physical calibre of the opposition.. There is no point in sending him out against hardened L1 defenders that are twice his size and half his ball skills. The difference of him playing against Villa was the Villa defenders have much more skill and experience and were able to play the ball as opposed to playing the player and him getting injured. We could learn much from looking at the big back four they had, without Flints height and McCormacs muscle our back line is somewhat frail looking by comparison. Perhaps before slating Jay Macca for his game last night we should bear in mind the head injury that required six stitches and a sore head to go with it, but he remained on the pitch and did his best. Thought Ward had a decent game and cleared away everything that came his way. I don't think we should be over critical in any way, especially bearing in mind the ref had his eyes firmly shut with regard to the constant fouling of Williams and others. A word for Devera, who had one of his better games. A very difficult side to play against, well set up to gain a point, that was their purpose and they did it. Hats off to them, their tactics out shone ours due to our lack of player choice. Better things to come soon I'm sure. A point gained against a side that will not concede too many goals this season and will be there or there abouts come April/May. the wizard

1:11pm Wed 7 Nov 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

Baritone wrote:
I think that Psychedelic Sid presented a clear, concise and excellent review of last night's "non-event". However, I do disagree with him about Flint. Of course he was missed in that his big, booming headers look spectacular and (momentarily) represent defensive safety but he cannot direct those headers - a hard thing to do and often impossible, I know - but the ball inevitably comes back again, almost immediately. The real danger with Flint is his groundwork. He is crude in his tackling, shows poor timing and has difficult passing the ball to a colleague unmarked a few feet away. I do not believe that he has improved in the slightest since he joined, whilst ambitions have risen from promotion from Div.2 to promotion to the Championship. At least he cannot do us any harm for the last three games of his ban.
We missed Macka last night...BIG time!
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Has to go down as one of the more forgettable games of the season and like many I'm just getting fed up of the lack of consistency with these referees.
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Last night 1st half - sort of ok but a few strange decisions on both sides but 2nd half was shocking - I didn't realise that standing behind a player and giving a bear-hug was permitted....and the ref was 5-10yds away and looking straight at it.
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Good call for someone to analyse a recording of the game and ask the referees association for a comment - except that they won't as they wouldn't want to be seen to undermine the ref.
[quote][p][bold]Baritone[/bold] wrote: I think that Psychedelic Sid presented a clear, concise and excellent review of last night's "non-event". However, I do disagree with him about Flint. Of course he was missed in that his big, booming headers look spectacular and (momentarily) represent defensive safety but he cannot direct those headers - a hard thing to do and often impossible, I know - but the ball inevitably comes back again, almost immediately. The real danger with Flint is his groundwork. He is crude in his tackling, shows poor timing and has difficult passing the ball to a colleague unmarked a few feet away. I do not believe that he has improved in the slightest since he joined, whilst ambitions have risen from promotion from Div.2 to promotion to the Championship. At least he cannot do us any harm for the last three games of his ban.[/p][/quote]We missed Macka last night...BIG time! ---. Has to go down as one of the more forgettable games of the season and like many I'm just getting fed up of the lack of consistency with these referees. ---. Last night 1st half - sort of ok but a few strange decisions on both sides but 2nd half was shocking - I didn't realise that standing behind a player and giving a bear-hug was permitted....and the ref was 5-10yds away and looking straight at it. ---. Good call for someone to analyse a recording of the game and ask the referees association for a comment - except that they won't as they wouldn't want to be seen to undermine the ref. SAPFanSTFC

1:22pm Wed 7 Nov 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

Reference to the last line of Wilson's quote on the BBC site....
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Am I missing something here!?...WE were the physical side...EH!?
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Quote "Sheffield United manager Danny Wilson told BBC Radio Sheffield:
"It's a terrific point and a thoroughly deserved point, in my opinion.
"We got better and stronger as the game got on against a very physical Swindon side...."
Reference to the last line of Wilson's quote on the BBC site.... ---. Am I missing something here!?...WE were the physical side...EH!? ===. Quote "Sheffield United manager Danny Wilson told BBC Radio Sheffield: "It's a terrific point and a thoroughly deserved point, in my opinion. "We got better and stronger as the game got on against a very physical Swindon side...." SAPFanSTFC

1:22pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Maxwell'79 says...

Yesterday evening was a dissappointment - We could and should have won the match.

Roberts, on his day, can cross the ball as well as anyone outside of the premier league however I have seen him cross the ball only twice in the past 4 matches at home. He is slow, runs with his head down and cannot beat players. At least Da Vita has a go - His crossing might not be as good but he runs at defenders.

Ritchie is suffering from being marked out of every game - And his crossing seems to becoming less effective with every match - Everyone knows he cuts inside to use his left foot - Why not play him on the left from time to time to whip a few in on his natural side? At least mix it up during the match and try to confuse the defenders.

Finally re players, i was on "McEverly-Wasted-Bal
l-Watch" last night - I counted 15 occasions where he smacked the ball forward to literally no-one - What a waste - If only he and Roberts could form a good partnership they would be good down that side of the pitch!

Playing long ball simply is not good enough either - We have won (at a guess) less than 30% of 1v1 headers in recent matches - We do not have the height to compete with many of the teams at this level but when we are on song, we can destroy most teams by passing through them.

I hate to moan but am more frustrated rather than being negative towards the players - We are in a great position in the league and can really push on over the next few months!

I am still very confident that we will win promotion this year however we need to get back to what we are good at, play to our strengths and play the ball on the deck!!

COME ON STFC ("just put the ball into the back of the net" as my fellow season ticket holder would say!)
Yesterday evening was a dissappointment - We could and should have won the match. Roberts, on his day, can cross the ball as well as anyone outside of the premier league however I have seen him cross the ball only twice in the past 4 matches at home. He is slow, runs with his head down and cannot beat players. At least Da Vita has a go - His crossing might not be as good but he runs at defenders. Ritchie is suffering from being marked out of every game - And his crossing seems to becoming less effective with every match - Everyone knows he cuts inside to use his left foot - Why not play him on the left from time to time to whip a few in on his natural side? At least mix it up during the match and try to confuse the defenders. Finally re players, i was on "McEverly-Wasted-Bal l-Watch" last night - I counted 15 occasions where he smacked the ball forward to literally no-one - What a waste - If only he and Roberts could form a good partnership they would be good down that side of the pitch! Playing long ball simply is not good enough either - We have won (at a guess) less than 30% of 1v1 headers in recent matches - We do not have the height to compete with many of the teams at this level but when we are on song, we can destroy most teams by passing through them. I hate to moan but am more frustrated rather than being negative towards the players - We are in a great position in the league and can really push on over the next few months! I am still very confident that we will win promotion this year however we need to get back to what we are good at, play to our strengths and play the ball on the deck!! COME ON STFC ("just put the ball into the back of the net" as my fellow season ticket holder would say!) Maxwell'79

1:59pm Wed 7 Nov 12

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Not too downbeat over the result last night. Just needed to get it on the deck but I thought Sheff Utd came for a 0-0.
Fodds had nothing to do.

Who is that team Div 2 - Redbridge ? - They won last night :)
Not too downbeat over the result last night. Just needed to get it on the deck but I thought Sheff Utd came for a 0-0. Fodds had nothing to do. Who is that team Div 2 - Redbridge ? - They won last night :) TheDukeOfBanbury

3:06pm Wed 7 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

Lord Alan sugar has asked for all his taxis he uses in the apprentice to pick players up from sn1 on January 1st.
Williams
Collins
L Rooney
A Rooney
Tah
Navarro
Bessone
Williams and Collins are about as effective as dossevi and pericard
Onwards and upwards
Barn door billy was better and that's saying something
By the way that that Charlie Austin is poor also Fallon/ Parkin any day lol
Lord Alan sugar has asked for all his taxis he uses in the apprentice to pick players up from sn1 on January 1st. Williams Collins L Rooney A Rooney Tah Navarro Bessone Williams and Collins are about as effective as dossevi and pericard Onwards and upwards Barn door billy was better and that's saying something By the way that that Charlie Austin is poor also Fallon/ Parkin any day lol smirg kcab

3:54pm Wed 7 Nov 12

SeanG92 says...

I thought we did very well last night. they are unbeaten for a reason, Wilson has them set up to grind out 1-0 wins by bullying other teams with their seer size and strength, out lads didn't let that faze them and gave it a real go, I never expected much in the way of chances, again due to Wilsons tactics of keeping most players behind the ball and then breaking away to nick a goal or get a set piece and nick something from that. It shows how much they think of us, that they were happy to settle for and hold out for the point with their incessant time wasting tactics.

The ref last night has to be one of the worst I have seen, not due to the fact he was terrible (which he was) but due to the fact he was so bias! It was just ridiculous and I would be surprised if he gets a game of that profile again anytime soon!

Again, well played by our depleted squad against very physical opponents, on another day with a tiny bit more luck we would have won that, it was a matter of centimeters on two occasions that stopped us from taking the lead.

It's a step forward, and a point gained IMO.Keep up the improvement, get the injured lads back and I cans see us having a very good 2nd half of the season.

COYR's
I thought we did very well last night. they are unbeaten for a reason, Wilson has them set up to grind out 1-0 wins by bullying other teams with their seer size and strength, out lads didn't let that faze them and gave it a real go, I never expected much in the way of chances, again due to Wilsons tactics of keeping most players behind the ball and then breaking away to nick a goal or get a set piece and nick something from that. It shows how much they think of us, that they were happy to settle for and hold out for the point with their incessant time wasting tactics. The ref last night has to be one of the worst I have seen, not due to the fact he was terrible (which he was) but due to the fact he was so bias! It was just ridiculous and I would be surprised if he gets a game of that profile again anytime soon! Again, well played by our depleted squad against very physical opponents, on another day with a tiny bit more luck we would have won that, it was a matter of centimeters on two occasions that stopped us from taking the lead. It's a step forward, and a point gained IMO.Keep up the improvement, get the injured lads back and I cans see us having a very good 2nd half of the season. COYR's SeanG92

6:46pm Wed 7 Nov 12

the wizard says...

SeanG92 wrote:
I thought we did very well last night. they are unbeaten for a reason, Wilson has them set up to grind out 1-0 wins by bullying other teams with their seer size and strength, out lads didn't let that faze them and gave it a real go, I never expected much in the way of chances, again due to Wilsons tactics of keeping most players behind the ball and then breaking away to nick a goal or get a set piece and nick something from that. It shows how much they think of us, that they were happy to settle for and hold out for the point with their incessant time wasting tactics.

The ref last night has to be one of the worst I have seen, not due to the fact he was terrible (which he was) but due to the fact he was so bias! It was just ridiculous and I would be surprised if he gets a game of that profile again anytime soon!

Again, well played by our depleted squad against very physical opponents, on another day with a tiny bit more luck we would have won that, it was a matter of centimeters on two occasions that stopped us from taking the lead.

It's a step forward, and a point gained IMO.Keep up the improvement, get the injured lads back and I cans see us having a very good 2nd half of the season.

COYR's
Couldn't agree more about the ref, as somebody else pointed out earlier, since when has a bear hug been legal and the ref was within yards.

Their guy Williams should have an actors Equity Card for all the dives and feigned injury claims against players a fraction of his size.

Thompsons tackle may have been late, but there was no intent which is more that can be said about many of their moves. I cannot fathom how he was so blind.
[quote][p][bold]SeanG92[/bold] wrote: I thought we did very well last night. they are unbeaten for a reason, Wilson has them set up to grind out 1-0 wins by bullying other teams with their seer size and strength, out lads didn't let that faze them and gave it a real go, I never expected much in the way of chances, again due to Wilsons tactics of keeping most players behind the ball and then breaking away to nick a goal or get a set piece and nick something from that. It shows how much they think of us, that they were happy to settle for and hold out for the point with their incessant time wasting tactics. The ref last night has to be one of the worst I have seen, not due to the fact he was terrible (which he was) but due to the fact he was so bias! It was just ridiculous and I would be surprised if he gets a game of that profile again anytime soon! Again, well played by our depleted squad against very physical opponents, on another day with a tiny bit more luck we would have won that, it was a matter of centimeters on two occasions that stopped us from taking the lead. It's a step forward, and a point gained IMO.Keep up the improvement, get the injured lads back and I cans see us having a very good 2nd half of the season. COYR's[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more about the ref, as somebody else pointed out earlier, since when has a bear hug been legal and the ref was within yards. Their guy Williams should have an actors Equity Card for all the dives and feigned injury claims against players a fraction of his size. Thompsons tackle may have been late, but there was no intent which is more that can be said about many of their moves. I cannot fathom how he was so blind. the wizard

7:43pm Wed 7 Nov 12

bongiaz says...

I really thought we would lose last night taking into account the depleted side we had out there. Was pleasently surprised and really should have won 2-1...Shame Ritchies shot cannoned back off the crossbar, would have been candidate for goal of the season...and Roberts was unlucky to see his shot deflected onto the post....Referee and his assistants were shocking and allowed Sheffield Utd to unfairly out muscle us on many occasions. We are 6 points off the top and poised to have a great run especially when we get all of our players back. I couldnt fault anyone last night who gave 100% effort,,well done! P.S Sheff Utd will be difficult to beat this season but I would be loathe to pay my money every week to watch that crap!
I really thought we would lose last night taking into account the depleted side we had out there. Was pleasently surprised and really should have won 2-1...Shame Ritchies shot cannoned back off the crossbar, would have been candidate for goal of the season...and Roberts was unlucky to see his shot deflected onto the post....Referee and his assistants were shocking and allowed Sheffield Utd to unfairly out muscle us on many occasions. We are 6 points off the top and poised to have a great run especially when we get all of our players back. I couldnt fault anyone last night who gave 100% effort,,well done! P.S Sheff Utd will be difficult to beat this season but I would be loathe to pay my money every week to watch that crap! bongiaz

7:48pm Wed 7 Nov 12

bongiaz says...

Could some of you serial bloggers please restrict your comments to less than 500 words! Especailly when you havent gone to the match! Boring! (You know who you are!)
Could some of you serial bloggers please restrict your comments to less than 500 words! Especailly when you havent gone to the match! Boring! (You know who you are!) bongiaz

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