SWINDON TOWN: Caddis won't be sold on the cheap

NOT CHEAP: Paul Caddis

NOT CHEAP: Paul Caddis

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SWINDON Town are not about to sell Paul Caddis on the cheap, manager Kevin MacDonald has insisted.

Recent reports have linked Birmingham, where Caddis is currently on loan, with a £250,000, installment-based approach for the Scot’s full-time services - a bid MacDonald himself is unaware of.

The Robins boss stressed that the club’s valuation of the right-back is considerably more than the figure quoted in some media outlets, and he said Town would not allow the 24-year-old to leave Wiltshire for a pittance.

However, MacDonald could not commit to keeping Caddis, who has a further year remaining on his contract at the County Ground, for the 2013/14 campaign.

“I’ve not spoken to him. I’ve seen him play on television, Mark (Cooper) has seen him play live and he’s played very, very well for Birmingham City this season,” he said.

“I think part of the problem will be what league we’re going to be playing in next season. Now that he’s played in the Championship I’m sure he’d like to stay there and we hope that we can get up there and if we’re in the Championship then hopefully Paul will be happy to play for us.”

When asked about the reports of an official Birmingham offer for Caddis, he told the Advertiser: “Not that I’ve heard of, if there has it’s not gone through me. They’re obviously trying to get him on the cheap now. I think we’ll be looking for a bit more money than what they probably are wanting to pay.

“I did see the bit on the BBC website. I think it will be a little bit more than that.”

Meanwhile, neither Caddis nor Paul Benson will be available for Town in the League One play-offs, should the Robins make the end-of-season extravanganza.

Caddis’ season-long loan contract with Birmingham means he will remain a Blues player until June 30, while Benson’s deal at Cheltenham ties him to the Whaddon Road side throughout the play-off campaign.

There is one Swindon player who is eligible to feature under MacDonald should his side reach the end-of-season lottery. Midfielder Lee Cox, currently at Plymouth, will return to the County Ground at the end of the month.

“We have considered it and we have had a look but it’s only Lee Cox that would be available, we couldn’t use Paul or Paul,” MacDonald said.

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6:25am Thu 11 Apr 13

XJR says...

"Depends what league we will be playing in next season"
Div 1 with your tatics and formations Mcdonald(clueless)
Atb to Paul Caddis your are best out of it at the moment.
"Depends what league we will be playing in next season" Div 1 with your tatics and formations Mcdonald(clueless) Atb to Paul Caddis your are best out of it at the moment. XJR
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6:28am Thu 11 Apr 13

adver jurnolist says...

Kevin Macdonald says..... "Swindon Town are not about to sell Paul Caddis on the cheap",
Sorry Kev, but if you think the cowboys in charge of our club are going to turn down the chance to line their pockets you are deluded!
Kevin Macdonald says..... "Swindon Town are not about to sell Paul Caddis on the cheap", Sorry Kev, but if you think the cowboys in charge of our club are going to turn down the chance to line their pockets you are deluded! adver jurnolist
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6:35am Thu 11 Apr 13

EastleazeRed says...

adver jurnolist wrote:
Kevin Macdonald says..... "Swindon Town are not about to sell Paul Caddis on the cheap",
Sorry Kev, but if you think the cowboys in charge of our club are going to turn down the chance to line their pockets you are deluded!
They need the money to run their new cars !
[quote][p][bold]adver jurnolist[/bold] wrote: Kevin Macdonald says..... "Swindon Town are not about to sell Paul Caddis on the cheap", Sorry Kev, but if you think the cowboys in charge of our club are going to turn down the chance to line their pockets you are deluded![/p][/quote]They need the money to run their new cars ! EastleazeRed
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7:07am Thu 11 Apr 13

U REDS says...

Paul Caddis is our player and i would like him to stay. He will be a quality addition next season but will have to drop to league 1. I don't see us going up. Not worried about extra faces for the play offs as we won't make it. Its all about next season for me. We need to keep our best players install a positive manager and go again next year.
Paul Caddis is our player and i would like him to stay. He will be a quality addition next season but will have to drop to league 1. I don't see us going up. Not worried about extra faces for the play offs as we won't make it. Its all about next season for me. We need to keep our best players install a positive manager and go again next year. U REDS
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7:16am Thu 11 Apr 13

gibbo1012 says...

On another note sheff utd have sacked Danny Wilson because of recent poor form.

Hopefully our board will take note and sack macdonald as well !!
On another note sheff utd have sacked Danny Wilson because of recent poor form. Hopefully our board will take note and sack macdonald as well !! gibbo1012
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7:28am Thu 11 Apr 13

Chish and Fips says...

gibbo1012 wrote:
On another note sheff utd have sacked Danny Wilson because of recent poor form.

Hopefully our board will take note and sack macdonald as well !!
.....and the compensation money for KMD is coming from where ??

Thought so ....
[quote][p][bold]gibbo1012[/bold] wrote: On another note sheff utd have sacked Danny Wilson because of recent poor form. Hopefully our board will take note and sack macdonald as well !![/p][/quote].....and the compensation money for KMD is coming from where ?? Thought so .... Chish and Fips
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7:30am Thu 11 Apr 13

gibbo1012 says...

He should never of been appointed in the first place.

Clearly out of his depth and we won't make the playoffs due to him !
He should never of been appointed in the first place. Clearly out of his depth and we won't make the playoffs due to him ! gibbo1012
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7:31am Thu 11 Apr 13

Rebel_phish says...

So, its official, not that it hasn't been perfectly clear all along; Benson and Caddis can not come back to us untill the season is over.

Yet, still people will say - "Get them back for the Play-offs"

About Paul Caddis, I do fear that we will not get a fee that truely reflects his value.

About Paul Benson, If he wants to remain a Town player, I'd play him, he would surely have converted some of the near chances we created this season. And that may have made all the difference.

I know its IF, BUTS and MAYBE, but if we had just turned 3 draws into wins, we would still be right in the mix.

I know thats the same for every team, but I don't care about the others, just STFC.
So, its official, not that it hasn't been perfectly clear all along; Benson and Caddis can not come back to us untill the season is over. Yet, still people will say - "Get them back for the Play-offs" About Paul Caddis, I do fear that we will not get a fee that truely reflects his value. About Paul Benson, If he wants to remain a Town player, I'd play him, he would surely have converted some of the near chances we created this season. And that may have made all the difference. I know its IF, BUTS and MAYBE, but if we had just turned 3 draws into wins, we would still be right in the mix. I know thats the same for every team, but I don't care about the others, just STFC. Rebel_phish
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7:33am Thu 11 Apr 13

Helpme234 says...

"When asked about the reports of an official Birmingham offer for Caddis, he told the Advertiser: “Not that I’ve heard of, if there has it’s not gone through me"

Is this surprising, or is it just a reflection of the way football is run these days?
"When asked about the reports of an official Birmingham offer for Caddis, he told the Advertiser: “Not that I’ve heard of, if there has it’s not gone through me" Is this surprising, or is it just a reflection of the way football is run these days? Helpme234
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7:34am Thu 11 Apr 13

old town robin says...

gibbo1012 wrote:
On another note sheff utd have sacked Danny Wilson because of recent poor form.

Hopefully our board will take note and sack macdonald as well !!
No chance of that until he's been given a chance to show what he can do next season and even then if his win percentage remains the same as now ( 20%), I doubt if Jed & Co would want to get rid of someone they got on the cheap and could not afford to replace.
[quote][p][bold]gibbo1012[/bold] wrote: On another note sheff utd have sacked Danny Wilson because of recent poor form. Hopefully our board will take note and sack macdonald as well !![/p][/quote]No chance of that until he's been given a chance to show what he can do next season and even then if his win percentage remains the same as now ( 20%), I doubt if Jed & Co would want to get rid of someone they got on the cheap and could not afford to replace. old town robin
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7:43am Thu 11 Apr 13

Hunt & Buzzer says...

... Two and a half years...
... Two and a half years... Hunt & Buzzer
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7:43am Thu 11 Apr 13

TheBlackHand says...

For Sale: Thompsons x2, Flint, Fodringham,Caddis,St
orey,Ferry,McCormack
, sold as seen apply Jed the Red
For Sale: Thompsons x2, Flint, Fodringham,Caddis,St orey,Ferry,McCormack , sold as seen apply Jed the Red TheBlackHand
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7:44am Thu 11 Apr 13

ScottLeitch says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
So, its official, not that it hasn't been perfectly clear all along; Benson and Caddis can not come back to us untill the season is over.

Yet, still people will say - "Get them back for the Play-offs"

About Paul Caddis, I do fear that we will not get a fee that truely reflects his value.

About Paul Benson, If he wants to remain a Town player, I'd play him, he would surely have converted some of the near chances we created this season. And that may have made all the difference.

I know its IF, BUTS and MAYBE, but if we had just turned 3 draws into wins, we would still be right in the mix.

I know thats the same for every team, but I don't care about the others, just STFC.
I agree macdonald will need benson for his relegation campaign next season...
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: So, its official, not that it hasn't been perfectly clear all along; Benson and Caddis can not come back to us untill the season is over. Yet, still people will say - "Get them back for the Play-offs" About Paul Caddis, I do fear that we will not get a fee that truely reflects his value. About Paul Benson, If he wants to remain a Town player, I'd play him, he would surely have converted some of the near chances we created this season. And that may have made all the difference. I know its IF, BUTS and MAYBE, but if we had just turned 3 draws into wins, we would still be right in the mix. I know thats the same for every team, but I don't care about the others, just STFC.[/p][/quote]I agree macdonald will need benson for his relegation campaign next season... ScottLeitch
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7:49am Thu 11 Apr 13

OX1 RED says...

KMD evidently doesn't know the STFC track record of selling our best players for next to nothing, Fjortoft, Summerbee, Moncur, Austin, Cox ... The list goes on, I can't see Caddis being any different.
KMD evidently doesn't know the STFC track record of selling our best players for next to nothing, Fjortoft, Summerbee, Moncur, Austin, Cox ... The list goes on, I can't see Caddis being any different. OX1 RED
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7:54am Thu 11 Apr 13

southside7 says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
So, its official, not that it hasn't been perfectly clear all along; Benson and Caddis can not come back to us untill the season is over.

Yet, still people will say - "Get them back for the Play-offs"

About Paul Caddis, I do fear that we will not get a fee that truely reflects his value.

About Paul Benson, If he wants to remain a Town player, I'd play him, he would surely have converted some of the near chances we created this season. And that may have made all the difference.

I know its IF, BUTS and MAYBE, but if we had just turned 3 draws into wins, we would still be right in the mix.

I know thats the same for every team, but I don't care about the others, just STFC.
It 'hasn't' been clear all along, Benson was asked on Tuesday if he could return this season and he wasn't sure 'himself', so get your facts right before belittling others like London Red.
As for Caddis, please fight, yes 'fight' to keep our best player.
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: So, its official, not that it hasn't been perfectly clear all along; Benson and Caddis can not come back to us untill the season is over. Yet, still people will say - "Get them back for the Play-offs" About Paul Caddis, I do fear that we will not get a fee that truely reflects his value. About Paul Benson, If he wants to remain a Town player, I'd play him, he would surely have converted some of the near chances we created this season. And that may have made all the difference. I know its IF, BUTS and MAYBE, but if we had just turned 3 draws into wins, we would still be right in the mix. I know thats the same for every team, but I don't care about the others, just STFC.[/p][/quote]It 'hasn't' been clear all along, Benson was asked on Tuesday if he could return this season and he wasn't sure 'himself', so get your facts right before belittling others like London Red. As for Caddis, please fight, yes 'fight' to keep our best player. southside7
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7:54am Thu 11 Apr 13

old town robin says...

Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner.

On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge.

And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing. old town robin
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8:04am Thu 11 Apr 13

Pseudo says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
adver jurnolist wrote: Kevin Macdonald says..... "Swindon Town are not about to sell Paul Caddis on the cheap", Sorry Kev, but if you think the cowboys in charge of our club are going to turn down the chance to line their pockets you are deluded!
They need the money to run their new cars !
or pay their bar bills!
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adver jurnolist[/bold] wrote: Kevin Macdonald says..... "Swindon Town are not about to sell Paul Caddis on the cheap", Sorry Kev, but if you think the cowboys in charge of our club are going to turn down the chance to line their pockets you are deluded![/p][/quote]They need the money to run their new cars ![/p][/quote]or pay their bar bills! Pseudo
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8:05am Thu 11 Apr 13

mancrobin says...

old town robin wrote:
Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner.

On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge.

And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
So what was the alternative?
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]So what was the alternative? mancrobin
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8:07am Thu 11 Apr 13

umpcah says...

Caddis wont be sold on the cheap ? I`ll bet he will.
Caddis wont be sold on the cheap ? I`ll bet he will. umpcah
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8:08am Thu 11 Apr 13

Bassett Hound says...

old town robin wrote:
Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner.

On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge.

And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
I think you are probably right old town
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]I think you are probably right old town Bassett Hound
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8:08am Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

OOOooouuuuccchhhhhh, sorry, but just fell over laughing when I saw this headline. Jed &Co will see wonga and grab it. Cash sale one fee up front, and he will be gone. Would be superb here next season playing on the wing. You can't blame PC for wanting to further himself, or getting a better deal than the To55ers here will offer him.
OOOooouuuuccchhhhhh, sorry, but just fell over laughing when I saw this headline. Jed &Co will see wonga and grab it. Cash sale one fee up front, and he will be gone. Would be superb here next season playing on the wing. You can't blame PC for wanting to further himself, or getting a better deal than the To55ers here will offer him. the wizard
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8:13am Thu 11 Apr 13

stokes_stfc says...

old town robin wrote:
gibbo1012 wrote:
On another note sheff utd have sacked Danny Wilson because of recent poor form.

Hopefully our board will take note and sack macdonald as well !!
No chance of that until he's been given a chance to show what he can do next season and even then if his win percentage remains the same as now ( 20%), I doubt if Jed & Co would want to get rid of someone they got on the cheap and could not afford to replace.
This is what I am concerned about... I think the board will say that he should be given time to build his own team etc, so I think he'll be in charge long enough to hinder any promotion push next season, and until he is sacked it will be a relegation battle...

I would like to see the board take some responsibility here and admit that they got the appointment wrong, as I remember fitton (eventually) did with malpas
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gibbo1012[/bold] wrote: On another note sheff utd have sacked Danny Wilson because of recent poor form. Hopefully our board will take note and sack macdonald as well !![/p][/quote]No chance of that until he's been given a chance to show what he can do next season and even then if his win percentage remains the same as now ( 20%), I doubt if Jed & Co would want to get rid of someone they got on the cheap and could not afford to replace.[/p][/quote]This is what I am concerned about... I think the board will say that he should be given time to build his own team etc, so I think he'll be in charge long enough to hinder any promotion push next season, and until he is sacked it will be a relegation battle... I would like to see the board take some responsibility here and admit that they got the appointment wrong, as I remember fitton (eventually) did with malpas stokes_stfc
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8:17am Thu 11 Apr 13

LeGod says...

if Caddis is sold dont forget Celtic get a % of the deal as well which was agreed at the time which i believe is 20%.
if Caddis is sold dont forget Celtic get a % of the deal as well which was agreed at the time which i believe is 20%. LeGod
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8:26am Thu 11 Apr 13

street2000 says...

Strategy and tatics are all wrong.Lets get someone in who can rescue the season asap.Nough said
Strategy and tatics are all wrong.Lets get someone in who can rescue the season asap.Nough said street2000
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8:26am Thu 11 Apr 13

Since 1950 says...

gibbo1012 wrote:
On another note sheff utd have sacked Danny Wilson because of recent poor form. Hopefully our board will take note and sack macdonald as well !!
Get him back here. He could do no worse!
[quote][p][bold]gibbo1012[/bold] wrote: On another note sheff utd have sacked Danny Wilson because of recent poor form. Hopefully our board will take note and sack macdonald as well !![/p][/quote]Get him back here. He could do no worse! Since 1950
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8:28am Thu 11 Apr 13

Last step says...

U REDS wrote:
Paul Caddis is our player and i would like him to stay. He will be a quality addition next season but will have to drop to league 1. I don't see us going up. Not worried about extra faces for the play offs as we won't make it. Its all about next season for me. We need to keep our best players install a positive manager and go again next year.
Yep.

Otherwise we are in real trouble.
[quote][p][bold]U REDS[/bold] wrote: Paul Caddis is our player and i would like him to stay. He will be a quality addition next season but will have to drop to league 1. I don't see us going up. Not worried about extra faces for the play offs as we won't make it. Its all about next season for me. We need to keep our best players install a positive manager and go again next year.[/p][/quote]Yep. Otherwise we are in real trouble. Last step
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8:33am Thu 11 Apr 13

Last step says...

southside7 wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
So, its official, not that it hasn't been perfectly clear all along; Benson and Caddis can not come back to us untill the season is over.

Yet, still people will say - "Get them back for the Play-offs"

About Paul Caddis, I do fear that we will not get a fee that truely reflects his value.

About Paul Benson, If he wants to remain a Town player, I'd play him, he would surely have converted some of the near chances we created this season. And that may have made all the difference.

I know its IF, BUTS and MAYBE, but if we had just turned 3 draws into wins, we would still be right in the mix.

I know thats the same for every team, but I don't care about the others, just STFC.
It 'hasn't' been clear all along, Benson was asked on Tuesday if he could return this season and he wasn't sure 'himself', so get your facts right before belittling others like London Red.
As for Caddis, please fight, yes 'fight' to keep our best player.
Since when have the players been kept up to date?

As someone posted above, it's a reflection of the way football is run these days. At this level the fans are at the bottom, the players just above. Ritchie only found out he'd been sold just before we did, remember.
[quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: So, its official, not that it hasn't been perfectly clear all along; Benson and Caddis can not come back to us untill the season is over. Yet, still people will say - "Get them back for the Play-offs" About Paul Caddis, I do fear that we will not get a fee that truely reflects his value. About Paul Benson, If he wants to remain a Town player, I'd play him, he would surely have converted some of the near chances we created this season. And that may have made all the difference. I know its IF, BUTS and MAYBE, but if we had just turned 3 draws into wins, we would still be right in the mix. I know thats the same for every team, but I don't care about the others, just STFC.[/p][/quote]It 'hasn't' been clear all along, Benson was asked on Tuesday if he could return this season and he wasn't sure 'himself', so get your facts right before belittling others like London Red. As for Caddis, please fight, yes 'fight' to keep our best player.[/p][/quote]Since when have the players been kept up to date? As someone posted above, it's a reflection of the way football is run these days. At this level the fans are at the bottom, the players just above. Ritchie only found out he'd been sold just before we did, remember. Last step
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8:34am Thu 11 Apr 13

stfcdod says...

XJR wrote:
"Depends what league we will be playing in next season"
Div 1 with your tatics and formations Mcdonald(clueless)
Atb to Paul Caddis your are best out of it at the moment.
Didn't understand most of that. English please.
[quote][p][bold]XJR[/bold] wrote: "Depends what league we will be playing in next season" Div 1 with your tatics and formations Mcdonald(clueless) Atb to Paul Caddis your are best out of it at the moment.[/p][/quote]Didn't understand most of that. English please. stfcdod
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8:38am Thu 11 Apr 13

Since 1950 says...

old town robin wrote:
Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
Reference your last paragraph old town, that is exactly what I said at the time. If they had any money and any ambition for Championship football they would have stumped up front money to keep Ritchie here. They could always have sold him in the close season for twice as much as we let him go for if we had failed in our promotion bid.

Stick a 'for sale' sign on the team sheet.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]Reference your last paragraph old town, that is exactly what I said at the time. If they had any money and any ambition for Championship football they would have stumped up front money to keep Ritchie here. They could always have sold him in the close season for twice as much as we let him go for if we had failed in our promotion bid. Stick a 'for sale' sign on the team sheet. Since 1950
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8:40am Thu 11 Apr 13

you gots ta be kidding me says...

Well I gotta say, why are we worrying about the players who will be available for the playoffs, at this rate we wont be in them.

Caddis will be sold on the cheap, the club make an operating loss of around 1.5 million a year (that was before 5 big salaries were paid to the directors) The club has to cover these losses because the directors cant, people who say poor KMAC he knew the score when he signed for the club, but he wanted a chance in management so he now has it.

Players out of contract have already started putting deals in place for next year, they will be playing elsewhere, players like Roberts will be touted out for next to nothing as the wages are just too high, that is how PDC got players in here, the wages have increased significantly over the last couple of years.

KMAC will build a team around free transfers and Kids next year, he knows that and is comfortable with it.
Well I gotta say, why are we worrying about the players who will be available for the playoffs, at this rate we wont be in them. Caddis will be sold on the cheap, the club make an operating loss of around 1.5 million a year (that was before 5 big salaries were paid to the directors) The club has to cover these losses because the directors cant, people who say poor KMAC he knew the score when he signed for the club, but he wanted a chance in management so he now has it. Players out of contract have already started putting deals in place for next year, they will be playing elsewhere, players like Roberts will be touted out for next to nothing as the wages are just too high, that is how PDC got players in here, the wages have increased significantly over the last couple of years. KMAC will build a team around free transfers and Kids next year, he knows that and is comfortable with it. you gots ta be kidding me
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8:45am Thu 11 Apr 13

stfcdod says...

old town robin wrote:
Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner.

On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge.

And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
He was sold by Black.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]He was sold by Black. stfcdod
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8:45am Thu 11 Apr 13

Med Red says...

old town robin wrote:
Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
Absolutely spot on OTR regards the sale of Ritchie. And as for selling Caddis he'll be just one in a long line of players Mr "no money" McCrory will want to sell, then pocket the cash and do a runner (after the pop concerts of course)
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on OTR regards the sale of Ritchie. And as for selling Caddis he'll be just one in a long line of players Mr "no money" McCrory will want to sell, then pocket the cash and do a runner (after the pop concerts of course) Med Red
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8:46am Thu 11 Apr 13

you gots ta be kidding me says...

stfcdod wrote:
old town robin wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
He was sold by Black.
With this boards agreement.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]He was sold by Black.[/p][/quote]With this boards agreement. you gots ta be kidding me
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8:47am Thu 11 Apr 13

pat.swindon.f.c. says...

Caddis looks virtually certain to stay at Brum for Championship football than to drop a League for a seemingly relegation battle with Swindon?This despite Brums "seedy"Chinese connections!Better perhaps than the "Chinese whispers"game played out by this new Board!

As for Paul Benson.He will much more likely be in the "play offs"with the "Robins"!
The "Cheltenham Robins",whose Chairman Paul Baker,had the good sense to "check out"members of our
new Board resulting in rejection.As did non-League Luton.

The poor communication,behavi
our(as has been posted),does not instill any confidence whatsoever that the Club is foremost in their interests.Sad
again for Swindon Town Football Club.
As for K.Mac,first class coaching record at Premiership level but no managerial experience.Came in afer the "Di Canio"era(let's see what happens at Sunderland),Board changes,and embargo,best player sold,loanees return etc etc.Whilst his
"tactics"to date have totally failed he should be judged after he has had a chance to bring in some of his "own"players.properl
y assess,the current squad,many more of whom are looking to "exit"now that they too must be making their own assessments of the "Banbury Boys"true intentions.We all hope that the many posters with these thoughts are proven wrong.Time will tell.......
Caddis looks virtually certain to stay at Brum for Championship football than to drop a League for a seemingly relegation battle with Swindon?This despite Brums "seedy"Chinese connections!Better perhaps than the "Chinese whispers"game played out by this new Board! As for Paul Benson.He will much more likely be in the "play offs"with the "Robins"! The "Cheltenham Robins",whose Chairman Paul Baker,had the good sense to "check out"members of our new Board resulting in rejection.As did non-League Luton. The poor communication,behavi our(as has been posted),does not instill any confidence whatsoever that the Club is foremost in their interests.Sad again for Swindon Town Football Club. As for K.Mac,first class coaching record at Premiership level but no managerial experience.Came in afer the "Di Canio"era(let's see what happens at Sunderland),Board changes,and embargo,best player sold,loanees return etc etc.Whilst his "tactics"to date have totally failed he should be judged after he has had a chance to bring in some of his "own"players.properl y assess,the current squad,many more of whom are looking to "exit"now that they too must be making their own assessments of the "Banbury Boys"true intentions.We all hope that the many posters with these thoughts are proven wrong.Time will tell....... pat.swindon.f.c.
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8:52am Thu 11 Apr 13

stfcdod says...

Let's see some proof regarding these huge salaries and new cars the board are giving themselves. I know this, I know that, I know everything but not a shred of evidence from any of these malicious posters from other clubs. Come on, show us some evidence or get lost.
Let's see some proof regarding these huge salaries and new cars the board are giving themselves. I know this, I know that, I know everything but not a shred of evidence from any of these malicious posters from other clubs. Come on, show us some evidence or get lost. stfcdod
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8:53am Thu 11 Apr 13

Oxon-Red says...

Since 1950 wrote:
old town robin wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
Reference your last paragraph old town, that is exactly what I said at the time. If they had any money and any ambition for Championship football they would have stumped up front money to keep Ritchie here. They could always have sold him in the close season for twice as much as we let him go for if we had failed in our promotion bid. Stick a 'for sale' sign on the team sheet.
I thought Ritchie was sold before the take over was completed. If this was the case even if the new board were loaded they would not have been able to fund anything.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]Reference your last paragraph old town, that is exactly what I said at the time. If they had any money and any ambition for Championship football they would have stumped up front money to keep Ritchie here. They could always have sold him in the close season for twice as much as we let him go for if we had failed in our promotion bid. Stick a 'for sale' sign on the team sheet.[/p][/quote]I thought Ritchie was sold before the take over was completed. If this was the case even if the new board were loaded they would not have been able to fund anything. COYMR Oxon-Red
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9:03am Thu 11 Apr 13

you gots ta be kidding me says...

stfcdod wrote:
Let's see some proof regarding these huge salaries and new cars the board are giving themselves. I know this, I know that, I know everything but not a shred of evidence from any of these malicious posters from other clubs. Come on, show us some evidence or get lost.
OPEN YOUR EYES and you shall see !!
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Let's see some proof regarding these huge salaries and new cars the board are giving themselves. I know this, I know that, I know everything but not a shred of evidence from any of these malicious posters from other clubs. Come on, show us some evidence or get lost.[/p][/quote]OPEN YOUR EYES and you shall see !! you gots ta be kidding me
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9:05am Thu 11 Apr 13

Bassett Hound says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
Well I gotta say, why are we worrying about the players who will be available for the playoffs, at this rate we wont be in them.

Caddis will be sold on the cheap, the club make an operating loss of around 1.5 million a year (that was before 5 big salaries were paid to the directors) The club has to cover these losses because the directors cant, people who say poor KMAC he knew the score when he signed for the club, but he wanted a chance in management so he now has it.

Players out of contract have already started putting deals in place for next year, they will be playing elsewhere, players like Roberts will be touted out for next to nothing as the wages are just too high, that is how PDC got players in here, the wages have increased significantly over the last couple of years.

KMAC will build a team around free transfers and Kids next year, he knows that and is comfortable with it.
Some of these players will never get the wages they get here. They are simple not good enough.
I have asked you before how do you know all this information? Are you just guessing like the rest of us?
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: Well I gotta say, why are we worrying about the players who will be available for the playoffs, at this rate we wont be in them. Caddis will be sold on the cheap, the club make an operating loss of around 1.5 million a year (that was before 5 big salaries were paid to the directors) The club has to cover these losses because the directors cant, people who say poor KMAC he knew the score when he signed for the club, but he wanted a chance in management so he now has it. Players out of contract have already started putting deals in place for next year, they will be playing elsewhere, players like Roberts will be touted out for next to nothing as the wages are just too high, that is how PDC got players in here, the wages have increased significantly over the last couple of years. KMAC will build a team around free transfers and Kids next year, he knows that and is comfortable with it.[/p][/quote]Some of these players will never get the wages they get here. They are simple not good enough. I have asked you before how do you know all this information? Are you just guessing like the rest of us? Bassett Hound
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9:06am Thu 11 Apr 13

RogerJ1969 says...

Parrett has flown back to Spurs then.
Looked unhappy when I saw him, got bullied at Donny.
A bit lightweight like Bostock me thinks.
Maybe homesick?
Parrett has flown back to Spurs then. Looked unhappy when I saw him, got bullied at Donny. A bit lightweight like Bostock me thinks. Maybe homesick? RogerJ1969
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9:09am Thu 11 Apr 13

Frampton58 says...

If they had a shed full of money then the embargo and FL approval would have been much quicker. It appears that they only just scrapped the cash together to meet their obligations at the last minute. I am sure if they had the money and could prove it at the time then Ritchie would not have been sold by who ever.
I thought the board would have given a full statement by now on the takeover and the embargo. Plus an idea of their future plans for the club.
If they had a shed full of money then the embargo and FL approval would have been much quicker. It appears that they only just scrapped the cash together to meet their obligations at the last minute. I am sure if they had the money and could prove it at the time then Ritchie would not have been sold by who ever. I thought the board would have given a full statement by now on the takeover and the embargo. Plus an idea of their future plans for the club. Frampton58
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9:13am Thu 11 Apr 13

grove red says...

some fans on birmingham fans forum are saying caddis is there player of the season. hes got to be worth at least £500k. how much cash have they got for there keeper butland pay up brum if you want him or we should sell him to another club. would like him back but cant see it happening.
some fans on birmingham fans forum are saying caddis is there player of the season. hes got to be worth at least £500k. how much cash have they got for there keeper butland pay up brum if you want him or we should sell him to another club. would like him back but cant see it happening. grove red
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9:15am Thu 11 Apr 13

Norfolk Red says...

stfcdod wrote:
Let's see some proof regarding these huge salaries and new cars the board are giving themselves. I know this, I know that, I know everything but not a shred of evidence from any of these malicious posters from other clubs. Come on, show us some evidence or get lost.
Hang on, a few months ago some posters were vilified, for saying exactly what was going on behind the scenes. We may not want to hear it, but I for one suspect that the rumors are true, and have seen nothing from the club except concert plans and opening talks with council reference the lease to suggest otherwise. No footballing plans or their vision on how to drive the club forward ....

As for Caddis, the proof will be in the close season. My brummie mate says he has been their best player by a country mile, so they might not be the only championship club interested. If we don't get the cash we want for him, bearing in mind the sell on clause etc, then why not just let the loan expire? I know that we could still be in Lge 1, but he is OUR player and under contract as such. He could help a promotion push and if things don't work out sell him in the January window, probably for as much as Brum are offering now? Yes, we won't possibly get as much for him as the close season and risk him running his contract down, but at least we would have had him for a year. If the board let him go 'on the cheap' due to wages or whatever, then at least we will know their intent.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Let's see some proof regarding these huge salaries and new cars the board are giving themselves. I know this, I know that, I know everything but not a shred of evidence from any of these malicious posters from other clubs. Come on, show us some evidence or get lost.[/p][/quote]Hang on, a few months ago some posters were vilified, for saying exactly what was going on behind the scenes. We may not want to hear it, but I for one suspect that the rumors are true, and have seen nothing from the club except concert plans and opening talks with council reference the lease to suggest otherwise. No footballing plans or their vision on how to drive the club forward .... As for Caddis, the proof will be in the close season. My brummie mate says he has been their best player by a country mile, so they might not be the only championship club interested. If we don't get the cash we want for him, bearing in mind the sell on clause etc, then why not just let the loan expire? I know that we could still be in Lge 1, but he is OUR player and under contract as such. He could help a promotion push and if things don't work out sell him in the January window, probably for as much as Brum are offering now? Yes, we won't possibly get as much for him as the close season and risk him running his contract down, but at least we would have had him for a year. If the board let him go 'on the cheap' due to wages or whatever, then at least we will know their intent. Norfolk Red
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9:16am Thu 11 Apr 13

stfcdod says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Let's see some proof regarding these huge salaries and new cars the board are giving themselves. I know this, I know that, I know everything but not a shred of evidence from any of these malicious posters from other clubs. Come on, show us some evidence or get lost.
OPEN YOUR EYES and you shall see !!
Proof ?
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Let's see some proof regarding these huge salaries and new cars the board are giving themselves. I know this, I know that, I know everything but not a shred of evidence from any of these malicious posters from other clubs. Come on, show us some evidence or get lost.[/p][/quote]OPEN YOUR EYES and you shall see !![/p][/quote]Proof ? stfcdod
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9:19am Thu 11 Apr 13

old town robin says...

stfcdod wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner.

On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge.

And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
He was sold by Black.
Did you actually read my comment? I said Matt was sold by Black but as you are so well informed you will remember he originally said he didn't agree to sell him at the first time of asking, it was only when he became aware the new lot didn't have a pot to p11s in. He was then forced to sell Matt to fund them or keep the club until the summer or worse scenario put us into admin.

The point I tried to make is none of those options would have been needed if the new lot were genuine bonafide business men with funds of their own and had been able to make an immediate cash injection. Say what you want about Black, I think his hand was forced by the new lot, fund us or we walk away. Patey did a lousy job finding a buyer if this lot was the best he could come up with. More drama than Dallas and guess who's playing the role of JR.

I'm still waiting to hear from the board what Seebeck 87 is all about, are they consultants, developers, financial house, I don't know other than as of 1st Feb they had £0 funds, Other questions I have is the mystery investor(s) a bank, loan company, was the £1.2m paid into Seebeck or club equity, will we be paying interest on a loan, if so how much and for how long. It's time this board came clean and make us all aware if their intentions are genuine or do we have to make our own assumptions they're here to get out of the club whatever they can until the cupboard is bare. Football fan are they, well haven't seen too much from them in that department as yet.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]He was sold by Black.[/p][/quote]Did you actually read my comment? I said Matt was sold by Black but as you are so well informed you will remember he originally said he didn't agree to sell him at the first time of asking, it was only when he became aware the new lot didn't have a pot to p11s in. He was then forced to sell Matt to fund them or keep the club until the summer or worse scenario put us into admin. The point I tried to make is none of those options would have been needed if the new lot were genuine bonafide business men with funds of their own and had been able to make an immediate cash injection. Say what you want about Black, I think his hand was forced by the new lot, fund us or we walk away. Patey did a lousy job finding a buyer if this lot was the best he could come up with. More drama than Dallas and guess who's playing the role of JR. I'm still waiting to hear from the board what Seebeck 87 is all about, are they consultants, developers, financial house, I don't know other than as of 1st Feb they had £0 funds, Other questions I have is the mystery investor(s) a bank, loan company, was the £1.2m paid into Seebeck or club equity, will we be paying interest on a loan, if so how much and for how long. It's time this board came clean and make us all aware if their intentions are genuine or do we have to make our own assumptions they're here to get out of the club whatever they can until the cupboard is bare. Football fan are they, well haven't seen too much from them in that department as yet. old town robin
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9:21am Thu 11 Apr 13

Rebel_phish says...

southside7 wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
So, its official, not that it hasn't been perfectly clear all along; Benson and Caddis can not come back to us untill the season is over.

Yet, still people will say - "Get them back for the Play-offs"

About Paul Caddis, I do fear that we will not get a fee that truely reflects his value.

About Paul Benson, If he wants to remain a Town player, I'd play him, he would surely have converted some of the near chances we created this season. And that may have made all the difference.

I know its IF, BUTS and MAYBE, but if we had just turned 3 draws into wins, we would still be right in the mix.

I know thats the same for every team, but I don't care about the others, just STFC.
It 'hasn't' been clear all along, Benson was asked on Tuesday if he could return this season and he wasn't sure 'himself', so get your facts right before belittling others like London Red.
As for Caddis, please fight, yes 'fight' to keep our best player.
For give me of my ignorance, but when a loan period is stated that its till the end of the season, I thought that meant untill all the games had been played, inc possible PO fixtures.

Beson on a loan until the end of the season is in the public domain:

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/21
246947

and

http://www.thisisswi
ndontownfc.co.uk/new
s/headlines/10192369
.Benson_joins_Robins
/

His unsurity came about from the fact that he didn't know if he would be released after the regular season had finished or if he would be remaining at Cheltenham guring the PO's should Cheltenham beinvolved.

I would have thought that if Cheltenham were in the L2 PO's then Paul would remain with them, just like Bodin did with Crewe last season.

Is that factual enough.
[quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: So, its official, not that it hasn't been perfectly clear all along; Benson and Caddis can not come back to us untill the season is over. Yet, still people will say - "Get them back for the Play-offs" About Paul Caddis, I do fear that we will not get a fee that truely reflects his value. About Paul Benson, If he wants to remain a Town player, I'd play him, he would surely have converted some of the near chances we created this season. And that may have made all the difference. I know its IF, BUTS and MAYBE, but if we had just turned 3 draws into wins, we would still be right in the mix. I know thats the same for every team, but I don't care about the others, just STFC.[/p][/quote]It 'hasn't' been clear all along, Benson was asked on Tuesday if he could return this season and he wasn't sure 'himself', so get your facts right before belittling others like London Red. As for Caddis, please fight, yes 'fight' to keep our best player.[/p][/quote]For give me of my ignorance, but when a loan period is stated that its till the end of the season, I thought that meant untill all the games had been played, inc possible PO fixtures. Beson on a loan until the end of the season is in the public domain: http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/21 246947 and http://www.thisisswi ndontownfc.co.uk/new s/headlines/10192369 .Benson_joins_Robins / His unsurity came about from the fact that he didn't know if he would be released after the regular season had finished or if he would be remaining at Cheltenham guring the PO's should Cheltenham beinvolved. I would have thought that if Cheltenham were in the L2 PO's then Paul would remain with them, just like Bodin did with Crewe last season. Is that factual enough. Rebel_phish
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9:27am Thu 11 Apr 13

stfcdod says...

Norfolk Red wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Let's see some proof regarding these huge salaries and new cars the board are giving themselves. I know this, I know that, I know everything but not a shred of evidence from any of these malicious posters from other clubs. Come on, show us some evidence or get lost.
Hang on, a few months ago some posters were vilified, for saying exactly what was going on behind the scenes. We may not want to hear it, but I for one suspect that the rumors are true, and have seen nothing from the club except concert plans and opening talks with council reference the lease to suggest otherwise. No footballing plans or their vision on how to drive the club forward ....

As for Caddis, the proof will be in the close season. My brummie mate says he has been their best player by a country mile, so they might not be the only championship club interested. If we don't get the cash we want for him, bearing in mind the sell on clause etc, then why not just let the loan expire? I know that we could still be in Lge 1, but he is OUR player and under contract as such. He could help a promotion push and if things don't work out sell him in the January window, probably for as much as Brum are offering now? Yes, we won't possibly get as much for him as the close season and risk him running his contract down, but at least we would have had him for a year. If the board let him go 'on the cheap' due to wages or whatever, then at least we will know their intent.
Regarding Caddis yes, he probably wants to stay at championship level.
A few months ago no-one and I repeat NO-ONE, was 'saying exactly what was going on behind the scenes'. The same is happening again. Pure speculation(some of which may be true) but again, no-one has shown any proof at all.
All I'm asking is for evidence that any of the rumours regarding the board are true. Not a shred of evidence has yet been proferred. Come up with that evidence and I may start believing some of the rumours.
[quote][p][bold]Norfolk Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Let's see some proof regarding these huge salaries and new cars the board are giving themselves. I know this, I know that, I know everything but not a shred of evidence from any of these malicious posters from other clubs. Come on, show us some evidence or get lost.[/p][/quote]Hang on, a few months ago some posters were vilified, for saying exactly what was going on behind the scenes. We may not want to hear it, but I for one suspect that the rumors are true, and have seen nothing from the club except concert plans and opening talks with council reference the lease to suggest otherwise. No footballing plans or their vision on how to drive the club forward .... As for Caddis, the proof will be in the close season. My brummie mate says he has been their best player by a country mile, so they might not be the only championship club interested. If we don't get the cash we want for him, bearing in mind the sell on clause etc, then why not just let the loan expire? I know that we could still be in Lge 1, but he is OUR player and under contract as such. He could help a promotion push and if things don't work out sell him in the January window, probably for as much as Brum are offering now? Yes, we won't possibly get as much for him as the close season and risk him running his contract down, but at least we would have had him for a year. If the board let him go 'on the cheap' due to wages or whatever, then at least we will know their intent.[/p][/quote]Regarding Caddis yes, he probably wants to stay at championship level. A few months ago no-one and I repeat NO-ONE, was 'saying exactly what was going on behind the scenes'. The same is happening again. Pure speculation(some of which may be true) but again, no-one has shown any proof at all. All I'm asking is for evidence that any of the rumours regarding the board are true. Not a shred of evidence has yet been proferred. Come up with that evidence and I may start believing some of the rumours. stfcdod
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9:27am Thu 11 Apr 13

old town robin says...

mancrobin wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner.

On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge.

And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
So what was the alternative?
good question, none probably,
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]So what was the alternative?[/p][/quote]good question, none probably, old town robin
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9:32am Thu 11 Apr 13

Med Red says...

grove red wrote:
some fans on birmingham fans forum are saying caddis is there player of the season. hes got to be worth at least £500k. how much cash have they got for there keeper butland pay up brum if you want him or we should sell him to another club. would like him back but cant see it happening.
According to BBC we're asking £275k for him and Brum have offered £250k in 2 instalments. So my guess would be... he'll be staying at Birmingham.
[quote][p][bold]grove red[/bold] wrote: some fans on birmingham fans forum are saying caddis is there player of the season. hes got to be worth at least £500k. how much cash have they got for there keeper butland pay up brum if you want him or we should sell him to another club. would like him back but cant see it happening.[/p][/quote]According to BBC we're asking £275k for him and Brum have offered £250k in 2 instalments. So my guess would be... he'll be staying at Birmingham. Med Red
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9:33am Thu 11 Apr 13

Rebel_phish says...

Ref: Unsurity - made up word

But you know what I meen, or maybe you dont.
Ref: Unsurity - made up word But you know what I meen, or maybe you dont. Rebel_phish
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9:35am Thu 11 Apr 13

Wanborough Nosh says...

Looks like we need a right back again!!!
Looks like we need a right back again!!! Wanborough Nosh
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9:37am Thu 11 Apr 13

stfclondon says...

I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage.

Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year.

As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t.

For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts.

The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet.

Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.
I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage. Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year. As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t. For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts. The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet. Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse. stfclondon
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9:38am Thu 11 Apr 13

HOOKEY says...

TheBlackHand wrote:
For Sale: Thompsons x2, Flint, Fodringham,Caddis,St

orey,Ferry,McCormack

, sold as seen apply Jed the Red
I wouldnt sell flint i would give him away to banbury
[quote][p][bold]TheBlackHand[/bold] wrote: For Sale: Thompsons x2, Flint, Fodringham,Caddis,St orey,Ferry,McCormack , sold as seen apply Jed the Red[/p][/quote]I wouldnt sell flint i would give him away to banbury HOOKEY
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9:50am Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

OK SAM AT THE ADVER.

With due respect, judging by the lack of confidence in the new board by the vast majority here and in the stands, can you please hold a poll on confidence the supporters have in the new board. You could do it simply yes or no, or do it by names, Jed, Muriel, Hall etc, or other issues. I think we must leave Kevin out of it.

That poll may spark a reaction and some explanations to the questions that are constantly raised here, and may save you the embarrassment of having to ask them. Structure the poll questions correctly and that may provoke the replies we want to hear. You could factor in questions about the board taking wages and the alleged supply of new cars. Thanks.
OK SAM AT THE ADVER. With due respect, judging by the lack of confidence in the new board by the vast majority here and in the stands, can you please hold a poll on confidence the supporters have in the new board. You could do it simply yes or no, or do it by names, Jed, Muriel, Hall etc, or other issues. I think we must leave Kevin out of it. That poll may spark a reaction and some explanations to the questions that are constantly raised here, and may save you the embarrassment of having to ask them. Structure the poll questions correctly and that may provoke the replies we want to hear. You could factor in questions about the board taking wages and the alleged supply of new cars. Thanks. the wizard
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9:50am Thu 11 Apr 13

stfcknowitall says...

does anyone know if its true that the players only train 3 days a week and are constantly out on the p**s?!

If so sounds like the old days under Danny Wilson when he lost all control of his players and we then got relegated that season.

I personally don't think K Mac is the right man for the job and has completely changed what was winning team, I think he was too intent on making his own mark on the team by changing formation and the way we play. Put that all aside though and we still basically have the same players
that we're winning games 4 or 5-0.

I think our recent downfall is 50% down to the players and 50% down to a lackluster, clueless and out of touch manager.

Such a shame what could have been an amazing seaon has been thrown away due to a totally wrong managerial apppointment by the board and players who couldn't give a t**s!
does anyone know if its true that the players only train 3 days a week and are constantly out on the p**s?! If so sounds like the old days under Danny Wilson when he lost all control of his players and we then got relegated that season. I personally don't think K Mac is the right man for the job and has completely changed what was winning team, I think he was too intent on making his own mark on the team by changing formation and the way we play. Put that all aside though and we still basically have the same players that we're winning games 4 or 5-0. I think our recent downfall is 50% down to the players and 50% down to a lackluster, clueless and out of touch manager. Such a shame what could have been an amazing seaon has been thrown away due to a totally wrong managerial apppointment by the board and players who couldn't give a t**s! stfcknowitall
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10:00am Thu 11 Apr 13

stfclondon says...

stfcknowitall, we'd only won two out of six prior to MacDonald's arrival, so it's not true to say he has "completely changed what was winning team". Since the drubbings we handed out to Tranmere, Portsmouth and Carlisle over Christmas and New Year, we only won three of the next nine games. The two wins, three draws and three defeats since he became manager have just been an extension of the pretty poor run we've been on since January.
stfcknowitall, we'd only won two out of six prior to MacDonald's arrival, so it's not true to say he has "completely changed what was winning team". Since the drubbings we handed out to Tranmere, Portsmouth and Carlisle over Christmas and New Year, we only won three of the next nine games. The two wins, three draws and three defeats since he became manager have just been an extension of the pretty poor run we've been on since January. stfclondon
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10:03am Thu 11 Apr 13

Bassett Hound says...

stfclondon wrote:
I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage.

Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year.

As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t.

For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts.

The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet.

Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.
Excellent post
[quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage. Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year. As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t. For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts. The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet. Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.[/p][/quote]Excellent post Bassett Hound
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10:27am Thu 11 Apr 13

madterrier says...

The problem is, it's hard for the ordinary fan to find 'proof' just at the moment. Some people have/had contacts at the club. Others are shareholders. Many are members of the Trust. Some of us rummage around to see what we can find. Others just see what they see on a match day. Black occasionally takes to Twitter if asked a question.

But we can take stock of a few things that we do know:

- The club was under a transfer embargo by the Football League for two months from when the takeover was announced.

- Members of the new board told us repeatedly that the embargo would be lifted 'tomorrow'

- McCrory and his crew were judged by the FL to be unsuitable to take over Luton. They were turned away by the owners of Cheltenham.

- Seebeck87 is capitalised at just £1

- Seebeck87 does not have to publish full year accounts until September 2014

- Greg Hall's company is regarded as a high credit risk by credit rating agencies.

- One reason given for the embargo was a debt dating back to 1957. Swindon Town have been in administration twice and each of those events would have cleared all outstanding debts. Andrew Black has tweeted that all debts were cleared at the takeover and he knows nothing about a 1957 debt.

- The Football League will not disclose anything to do with embargos or takeover ratification to supporters of football clubs, despite it's pretentious tagline of 'Real Football. Real Fans.'

- Directors' remuneration has to be disclosed in the annual report and accounts. I don't at the moment know when these are next due, but the club usually finds a reason to be late in filing them anyway - they did under Fitton.

- The club last reported an annual operating loss of £1.2 million.


I'm sure others can add to the list to piece together an overall picture. It's frustrating we cannot get to the bottom of this. It's a shame that the Adver feels that it cannot press McCrory to answer questions, but I doubt if he would anyway. So I take silence from the board to be a very bad sign until there is evidence to the contrary.
The problem is, it's hard for the ordinary fan to find 'proof' just at the moment. Some people have/had contacts at the club. Others are shareholders. Many are members of the Trust. Some of us rummage around to see what we can find. Others just see what they see on a match day. Black occasionally takes to Twitter if asked a question. But we can take stock of a few things that we do know: - The club was under a transfer embargo by the Football League for two months from when the takeover was announced. - Members of the new board told us repeatedly that the embargo would be lifted 'tomorrow' - McCrory and his crew were judged by the FL to be unsuitable to take over Luton. They were turned away by the owners of Cheltenham. - Seebeck87 is capitalised at just £1 - Seebeck87 does not have to publish full year accounts until September 2014 - Greg Hall's company is regarded as a high credit risk by credit rating agencies. - One reason given for the embargo was a debt dating back to 1957. Swindon Town have been in administration twice and each of those events would have cleared all outstanding debts. Andrew Black has tweeted that all debts were cleared at the takeover and he knows nothing about a 1957 debt. - The Football League will not disclose anything to do with embargos or takeover ratification to supporters of football clubs, despite it's pretentious tagline of 'Real Football. Real Fans.' - Directors' remuneration has to be disclosed in the annual report and accounts. I don't at the moment know when these are next due, but the club usually finds a reason to be late in filing them anyway - they did under Fitton. - The club last reported an annual operating loss of £1.2 million. I'm sure others can add to the list to piece together an overall picture. It's frustrating we cannot get to the bottom of this. It's a shame that the Adver feels that it cannot press McCrory to answer questions, but I doubt if he would anyway. So I take silence from the board to be a very bad sign until there is evidence to the contrary. madterrier
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10:28am Thu 11 Apr 13

southside7 says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
Ref: Unsurity - made up word

But you know what I meen, or maybe you dont.
No I don't, you seem to be writing in a language other than English, if you know what I 'mean'?
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: Ref: Unsurity - made up word But you know what I meen, or maybe you dont.[/p][/quote]No I don't, you seem to be writing in a language other than English, if you know what I 'mean'? southside7
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10:29am Thu 11 Apr 13

tifosi says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
stfclondon wrote:
I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage.

Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year.

As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t.

For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts.

The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet.

Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.
Excellent post
At last the voice of reason.
I'll just stick with the wisdom of this post and chuck the rest.
No offence intended.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage. Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year. As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t. For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts. The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet. Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.[/p][/quote]Excellent post[/p][/quote]At last the voice of reason. I'll just stick with the wisdom of this post and chuck the rest. No offence intended. tifosi
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10:34am Thu 11 Apr 13

Angolan Red says...

Totally agree , Decanio took each season quite a time to get going and back to back promotions seem good but we need to go up with a team with confidence, Lets hope we can build on our youth maybe have Benson back as a steady older head, CAddis looks like the deal to sell him on the cheap is progressing. And by Christmas lets hope were in the mix because thats when we see whether MAcdonauld should stay or go
Totally agree , Decanio took each season quite a time to get going and back to back promotions seem good but we need to go up with a team with confidence, Lets hope we can build on our youth maybe have Benson back as a steady older head, CAddis looks like the deal to sell him on the cheap is progressing. And by Christmas lets hope were in the mix because thats when we see whether MAcdonauld should stay or go Angolan Red
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10:36am Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

madterrier wrote:
The problem is, it's hard for the ordinary fan to find 'proof' just at the moment. Some people have/had contacts at the club. Others are shareholders. Many are members of the Trust. Some of us rummage around to see what we can find. Others just see what they see on a match day. Black occasionally takes to Twitter if asked a question.

But we can take stock of a few things that we do know:

- The club was under a transfer embargo by the Football League for two months from when the takeover was announced.

- Members of the new board told us repeatedly that the embargo would be lifted 'tomorrow'

- McCrory and his crew were judged by the FL to be unsuitable to take over Luton. They were turned away by the owners of Cheltenham.

- Seebeck87 is capitalised at just £1

- Seebeck87 does not have to publish full year accounts until September 2014

- Greg Hall's company is regarded as a high credit risk by credit rating agencies.

- One reason given for the embargo was a debt dating back to 1957. Swindon Town have been in administration twice and each of those events would have cleared all outstanding debts. Andrew Black has tweeted that all debts were cleared at the takeover and he knows nothing about a 1957 debt.

- The Football League will not disclose anything to do with embargos or takeover ratification to supporters of football clubs, despite it's pretentious tagline of 'Real Football. Real Fans.'

- Directors' remuneration has to be disclosed in the annual report and accounts. I don't at the moment know when these are next due, but the club usually finds a reason to be late in filing them anyway - they did under Fitton.

- The club last reported an annual operating loss of £1.2 million.


I'm sure others can add to the list to piece together an overall picture. It's frustrating we cannot get to the bottom of this. It's a shame that the Adver feels that it cannot press McCrory to answer questions, but I doubt if he would anyway. So I take silence from the board to be a very bad sign until there is evidence to the contrary.
Simply superb post, take a bow. I have asked The Adver to carry out a poll, (above), and if they structure it properly that may provoke a response from Jedco, if it doesn't the silence will speak volumes.
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: The problem is, it's hard for the ordinary fan to find 'proof' just at the moment. Some people have/had contacts at the club. Others are shareholders. Many are members of the Trust. Some of us rummage around to see what we can find. Others just see what they see on a match day. Black occasionally takes to Twitter if asked a question. But we can take stock of a few things that we do know: - The club was under a transfer embargo by the Football League for two months from when the takeover was announced. - Members of the new board told us repeatedly that the embargo would be lifted 'tomorrow' - McCrory and his crew were judged by the FL to be unsuitable to take over Luton. They were turned away by the owners of Cheltenham. - Seebeck87 is capitalised at just £1 - Seebeck87 does not have to publish full year accounts until September 2014 - Greg Hall's company is regarded as a high credit risk by credit rating agencies. - One reason given for the embargo was a debt dating back to 1957. Swindon Town have been in administration twice and each of those events would have cleared all outstanding debts. Andrew Black has tweeted that all debts were cleared at the takeover and he knows nothing about a 1957 debt. - The Football League will not disclose anything to do with embargos or takeover ratification to supporters of football clubs, despite it's pretentious tagline of 'Real Football. Real Fans.' - Directors' remuneration has to be disclosed in the annual report and accounts. I don't at the moment know when these are next due, but the club usually finds a reason to be late in filing them anyway - they did under Fitton. - The club last reported an annual operating loss of £1.2 million. I'm sure others can add to the list to piece together an overall picture. It's frustrating we cannot get to the bottom of this. It's a shame that the Adver feels that it cannot press McCrory to answer questions, but I doubt if he would anyway. So I take silence from the board to be a very bad sign until there is evidence to the contrary.[/p][/quote]Simply superb post, take a bow. I have asked The Adver to carry out a poll, (above), and if they structure it properly that may provoke a response from Jedco, if it doesn't the silence will speak volumes. the wizard
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10:41am Thu 11 Apr 13

Mikeyg107 says...

MadTerrier.....spot on in my view and that's how I see things. The cowboys are in town looking to make a quick buck....people say where's your proof etc...I say just watch and listen and all becomes apparent.

I also stick to my opinion that PDC was pushed out by both outgoing and incoming boards......selling Ritchie for £400k....yeah that'll do it!!!
MadTerrier.....spot on in my view and that's how I see things. The cowboys are in town looking to make a quick buck....people say where's your proof etc...I say just watch and listen and all becomes apparent. I also stick to my opinion that PDC was pushed out by both outgoing and incoming boards......selling Ritchie for £400k....yeah that'll do it!!! Mikeyg107
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10:41am Thu 11 Apr 13

ScottLeitch says...

tifosi wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
stfclondon wrote:
I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage.

Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year.

As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t.

For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts.

The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet.

Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.
Excellent post
At last the voice of reason.
I'll just stick with the wisdom of this post and chuck the rest.
No offence intended.
How many of those young players will jump ship in the summer?
[quote][p][bold]tifosi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage. Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year. As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t. For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts. The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet. Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.[/p][/quote]Excellent post[/p][/quote]At last the voice of reason. I'll just stick with the wisdom of this post and chuck the rest. No offence intended.[/p][/quote]How many of those young players will jump ship in the summer? ScottLeitch
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10:41am Thu 11 Apr 13

smirg kcab says...

You will be gone before caddie you pillock
You will be gone before caddie you pillock smirg kcab
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10:42am Thu 11 Apr 13

Oxon-Red says...

stfclondon wrote:
stfcknowitall, we'd only won two out of six prior to MacDonald's arrival, so it's not true to say he has "completely changed what was winning team". Since the drubbings we handed out to Tranmere, Portsmouth and Carlisle over Christmas and New Year, we only won three of the next nine games. The two wins, three draws and three defeats since he became manager have just been an extension of the pretty poor run we've been on since January.
Consideration of the teams we have played in that time should also be made. All the away games were against teams in the top 8 or 9 in the league. Home games have been disappointing but would have been won but for the injury to Nathan (Walsall) and poor finishing.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: stfcknowitall, we'd only won two out of six prior to MacDonald's arrival, so it's not true to say he has "completely changed what was winning team". Since the drubbings we handed out to Tranmere, Portsmouth and Carlisle over Christmas and New Year, we only won three of the next nine games. The two wins, three draws and three defeats since he became manager have just been an extension of the pretty poor run we've been on since January.[/p][/quote]Consideration of the teams we have played in that time should also be made. All the away games were against teams in the top 8 or 9 in the league. Home games have been disappointing but would have been won but for the injury to Nathan (Walsall) and poor finishing. COYMR Oxon-Red
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10:42am Thu 11 Apr 13

Stilloyal says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
Ref: Unsurity - made up word But you know what I meen, or maybe you dont.
I'm uncertain lol
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: Ref: Unsurity - made up word But you know what I meen, or maybe you dont.[/p][/quote]I'm uncertain lol Stilloyal
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10:42am Thu 11 Apr 13

stfcdod says...

Best post of the day Too early to judge anyone at the moment. A possible not so good ending to the season but hey, I've still enjoyed some fantastic times. The analogy with Tranmere is a good one.
And tifosi......complete
ly agree.
Best post of the day Too early to judge anyone at the moment. A possible not so good ending to the season but hey, I've still enjoyed some fantastic times. The analogy with Tranmere is a good one. And tifosi......complete ly agree. stfcdod
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10:50am Thu 11 Apr 13

SPIDEY43 says...

must admit i had never heard of kev mac does not seem to have a clue.
swindon have lost the disipline and determination- showing how to go
from leaders to a strugle for the play offs sooner he goes the better
must admit i had never heard of kev mac does not seem to have a clue. swindon have lost the disipline and determination- showing how to go from leaders to a strugle for the play offs sooner he goes the better SPIDEY43
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10:51am Thu 11 Apr 13

stfcdod says...

tifosi wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
stfclondon wrote:
I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage.

Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year.

As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t.

For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts.

The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet.

Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.
Excellent post
At last the voice of reason.
I'll just stick with the wisdom of this post and chuck the rest.
No offence intended.
Best post of the day. Too early to judge anyone at the moment. A possible not so good end to the season but hey, I've still enjoyed some fantastic times.
The analogy with Tranmere is a good one.
And tifosi.....completel
y agree.
[quote][p][bold]tifosi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage. Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year. As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t. For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts. The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet. Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.[/p][/quote]Excellent post[/p][/quote]At last the voice of reason. I'll just stick with the wisdom of this post and chuck the rest. No offence intended.[/p][/quote]Best post of the day. Too early to judge anyone at the moment. A possible not so good end to the season but hey, I've still enjoyed some fantastic times. The analogy with Tranmere is a good one. And tifosi.....completel y agree. stfcdod
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10:52am Thu 11 Apr 13

Rebel_phish says...

southside7 wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
Ref: Unsurity - made up word

But you know what I meen, or maybe you dont.
No I don't, you seem to be writing in a language other than English, if you know what I 'mean'?
Glad to see that you took the bait
[quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: Ref: Unsurity - made up word But you know what I meen, or maybe you dont.[/p][/quote]No I don't, you seem to be writing in a language other than English, if you know what I 'mean'?[/p][/quote]Glad to see that you took the bait Rebel_phish
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10:56am Thu 11 Apr 13

sadgit says...

It seems that KM knows sweet FA about anything at the club so how does he know Caddis will not be sold on the cheap.
Has Parrett gone back to Spurs?
It seems that KM knows sweet FA about anything at the club so how does he know Caddis will not be sold on the cheap. Has Parrett gone back to Spurs? sadgit
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11:00am Thu 11 Apr 13

stigger says...

RogerJ1969 wrote:
Parrett has flown back to Spurs then.
Looked unhappy when I saw him, got bullied at Donny.
A bit lightweight like Bostock me thinks.
Maybe homesick?
Yes i've seen that on the bbc website, from what i saw of him for 2 games and reports of others on the third it is good riddance, clearly had talent but terrible attitude, which we can't afford at the minute. Shame we no longer have Bostcok on loan as despite (perhaps justified) criticism of KMac i'm pretty certain he would be starting games under him. Luongo and Byrne i've been fairly impressed with and i hope we now see Ferry always in CM and wide players wide (maybe RDV and L Rooney might get a look in now??).
[quote][p][bold]RogerJ1969[/bold] wrote: Parrett has flown back to Spurs then. Looked unhappy when I saw him, got bullied at Donny. A bit lightweight like Bostock me thinks. Maybe homesick?[/p][/quote]Yes i've seen that on the bbc website, from what i saw of him for 2 games and reports of others on the third it is good riddance, clearly had talent but terrible attitude, which we can't afford at the minute. Shame we no longer have Bostcok on loan as despite (perhaps justified) criticism of KMac i'm pretty certain he would be starting games under him. Luongo and Byrne i've been fairly impressed with and i hope we now see Ferry always in CM and wide players wide (maybe RDV and L Rooney might get a look in now??). stigger
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11:05am Thu 11 Apr 13

Rebel_phish says...

stigger wrote:
RogerJ1969 wrote:
Parrett has flown back to Spurs then.
Looked unhappy when I saw him, got bullied at Donny.
A bit lightweight like Bostock me thinks.
Maybe homesick?
Yes i've seen that on the bbc website, from what i saw of him for 2 games and reports of others on the third it is good riddance, clearly had talent but terrible attitude, which we can't afford at the minute. Shame we no longer have Bostcok on loan as despite (perhaps justified) criticism of KMac i'm pretty certain he would be starting games under him. Luongo and Byrne i've been fairly impressed with and i hope we now see Ferry always in CM and wide players wide (maybe RDV and L Rooney might get a look in now??).
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/football/team
s/tottenham-hotspur
[quote][p][bold]stigger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RogerJ1969[/bold] wrote: Parrett has flown back to Spurs then. Looked unhappy when I saw him, got bullied at Donny. A bit lightweight like Bostock me thinks. Maybe homesick?[/p][/quote]Yes i've seen that on the bbc website, from what i saw of him for 2 games and reports of others on the third it is good riddance, clearly had talent but terrible attitude, which we can't afford at the minute. Shame we no longer have Bostcok on loan as despite (perhaps justified) criticism of KMac i'm pretty certain he would be starting games under him. Luongo and Byrne i've been fairly impressed with and i hope we now see Ferry always in CM and wide players wide (maybe RDV and L Rooney might get a look in now??).[/p][/quote]http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/football/team s/tottenham-hotspur Rebel_phish
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11:09am Thu 11 Apr 13

Rebel_phish says...

Said as much prior to the MK match, of the 3 Spurs loanees, Parrett was the least impressive.

Perhaps he didn't like being subbed.
Said as much prior to the MK match, of the 3 Spurs loanees, Parrett was the least impressive. Perhaps he didn't like being subbed. Rebel_phish
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11:11am Thu 11 Apr 13

M.way666@btinternet.com says...

Bring back Danny Wilson can't be as bad as the idiot we got trying to run it now surely
Bring back Danny Wilson can't be as bad as the idiot we got trying to run it now surely M.way666@btinternet.com
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11:16am Thu 11 Apr 13

DBTSTFC says...

I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!! DBTSTFC
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11:18am Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

M.way666@btinternet.
com
wrote:
Bring back Danny Wilson can't be as bad as the idiot we got trying to run it now surely
As John McEnroe was quoted as saying,



-"You cannot be serious"
[quote][p][bold]M.way666@btinternet. com[/bold] wrote: Bring back Danny Wilson can't be as bad as the idiot we got trying to run it now surely[/p][/quote]As John McEnroe was quoted as saying, -"You cannot be serious" the wizard
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11:18am Thu 11 Apr 13

Wilesy says...

Not surprised Parrett has been returned. Thought he did ok against Oldham but there seemed to be a different sulky bloke walking round the pitch at Donny and MK, in a shirt with Parretts name on it. Paolo would have hooked him after 20 mins at MK but although it took Kmac 70 mins at least he got the hook in the end.

The other two from Spurs look good though.
Not surprised Parrett has been returned. Thought he did ok against Oldham but there seemed to be a different sulky bloke walking round the pitch at Donny and MK, in a shirt with Parretts name on it. Paolo would have hooked him after 20 mins at MK but although it took Kmac 70 mins at least he got the hook in the end. The other two from Spurs look good though. Wilesy
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11:28am Thu 11 Apr 13

Lordjim13 says...

I didn't like what I saw of Parrett even at Oldham--though he played a couple nice balls, he walked around the rest of the match like he thought he was too good to break a sweat for League 1, and seemed to get quite offended when opposing players took the ball off him. Was surprised KMac persevered beyond that with him, but at least he's seen fit to call time on it. The other two might be ok, but they are hardly going to make the difference we need... :(
I didn't like what I saw of Parrett even at Oldham--though he played a couple nice balls, he walked around the rest of the match like he thought he was too good to break a sweat for League 1, and seemed to get quite offended when opposing players took the ball off him. Was surprised KMac persevered beyond that with him, but at least he's seen fit to call time on it. The other two might be ok, but they are hardly going to make the difference we need... :( Lordjim13
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11:29am Thu 11 Apr 13

Lordjim13 says...

Sorry, I meant against Oldham.
Sorry, I meant against Oldham. Lordjim13
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11:34am Thu 11 Apr 13

Oi Den! says...

old town robin wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner.

On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge.

And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
He was sold by Black.
Did you actually read my comment? I said Matt was sold by Black but as you are so well informed you will remember he originally said he didn't agree to sell him at the first time of asking, it was only when he became aware the new lot didn't have a pot to p11s in. He was then forced to sell Matt to fund them or keep the club until the summer or worse scenario put us into admin.

The point I tried to make is none of those options would have been needed if the new lot were genuine bonafide business men with funds of their own and had been able to make an immediate cash injection. Say what you want about Black, I think his hand was forced by the new lot, fund us or we walk away. Patey did a lousy job finding a buyer if this lot was the best he could come up with. More drama than Dallas and guess who's playing the role of JR.

I'm still waiting to hear from the board what Seebeck 87 is all about, are they consultants, developers, financial house, I don't know other than as of 1st Feb they had £0 funds, Other questions I have is the mystery investor(s) a bank, loan company, was the £1.2m paid into Seebeck or club equity, will we be paying interest on a loan, if so how much and for how long. It's time this board came clean and make us all aware if their intentions are genuine or do we have to make our own assumptions they're here to get out of the club whatever they can until the cupboard is bare. Football fan are they, well haven't seen too much from them in that department as yet.
Superb post OTR. I'm clinging to the dream that somehow some day the Fitton consortium will return and restore some faith and dignity. You never know, Andrew Black might even relish the possibility of owning a football club where a gun is not constantly held to his head.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]He was sold by Black.[/p][/quote]Did you actually read my comment? I said Matt was sold by Black but as you are so well informed you will remember he originally said he didn't agree to sell him at the first time of asking, it was only when he became aware the new lot didn't have a pot to p11s in. He was then forced to sell Matt to fund them or keep the club until the summer or worse scenario put us into admin. The point I tried to make is none of those options would have been needed if the new lot were genuine bonafide business men with funds of their own and had been able to make an immediate cash injection. Say what you want about Black, I think his hand was forced by the new lot, fund us or we walk away. Patey did a lousy job finding a buyer if this lot was the best he could come up with. More drama than Dallas and guess who's playing the role of JR. I'm still waiting to hear from the board what Seebeck 87 is all about, are they consultants, developers, financial house, I don't know other than as of 1st Feb they had £0 funds, Other questions I have is the mystery investor(s) a bank, loan company, was the £1.2m paid into Seebeck or club equity, will we be paying interest on a loan, if so how much and for how long. It's time this board came clean and make us all aware if their intentions are genuine or do we have to make our own assumptions they're here to get out of the club whatever they can until the cupboard is bare. Football fan are they, well haven't seen too much from them in that department as yet.[/p][/quote]Superb post OTR. I'm clinging to the dream that somehow some day the Fitton consortium will return and restore some faith and dignity. You never know, Andrew Black might even relish the possibility of owning a football club where a gun is not constantly held to his head. Oi Den!
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11:35am Thu 11 Apr 13

alynsmith says...

here is the answer I would like to have heard: 'as Paul Caddis is a Swindon player under a Swindon contract we look forward to having him back next season in the team as he is the type of quality player we need to progress to the Championship, wehether we are already there (unlikely) or not. However if the player hands in a transfer request we will look to achieve a transfer fee that reflects his ability especially as he has shown what he can do at the next level'
here is the answer I would like to have heard: 'as Paul Caddis is a Swindon player under a Swindon contract we look forward to having him back next season in the team as he is the type of quality player we need to progress to the Championship, wehether we are already there (unlikely) or not. However if the player hands in a transfer request we will look to achieve a transfer fee that reflects his ability especially as he has shown what he can do at the next level' alynsmith
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11:42am Thu 11 Apr 13

smirg kcab says...

Even the players he signed are leaving the useless twaat Lol
Mind you he was shiit.
Where's sue
Drive the pillock out now
Even the players he signed are leaving the useless twaat Lol Mind you he was shiit. Where's sue Drive the pillock out now smirg kcab
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11:45am Thu 11 Apr 13

Pewsham Red says...

DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Really?!? I don't agree with the personal abuse of KM but, with Coventry being the exception and I have not seen away games that weren't on telly, I think our football has been generally quite poor. Certainly no better than under PDC and we had a number of poor performances under him.

A couple of home games the strikers were to blame, but only because we left it late to start attacking and then got all panicky and desperate, but against Donny, for example, we never created a chance and created very little at MK, by all accounts.

Granted we could do with another striker, but I doubt many share your Wembley trip optimism, given our current form, unless you are talking about an organised tour of the stadium.
[quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Really?!? I don't agree with the personal abuse of KM but, with Coventry being the exception and I have not seen away games that weren't on telly, I think our football has been generally quite poor. Certainly no better than under PDC and we had a number of poor performances under him. A couple of home games the strikers were to blame, but only because we left it late to start attacking and then got all panicky and desperate, but against Donny, for example, we never created a chance and created very little at MK, by all accounts. Granted we could do with another striker, but I doubt many share your Wembley trip optimism, given our current form, unless you are talking about an organised tour of the stadium. Pewsham Red
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11:48am Thu 11 Apr 13

M.way666@btinternet.com says...

All the hard work of the season as been thrown away can't see us even being up that far next season
All the hard work of the season as been thrown away can't see us even being up that far next season M.way666@btinternet.com
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11:49am Thu 11 Apr 13

mr_flibble says...

Absolutely right.

I've lost count of the amount of times Kmac has said 'hopefully'.

Also Kmac does go on the BBC website, but not this one? Hummm.
Absolutely right. I've lost count of the amount of times Kmac has said 'hopefully'. Also Kmac does go on the BBC website, but not this one? Hummm. mr_flibble
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12:06pm Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

Speaking of web sites, I've just seen this elsewhere,

National News
Don't taunt Di Canio, fans warned

Updated 11:40am Thursday 11th April 2013

Newcastle United fans have been warned by police not to taunt Paolo Di Canio, the manager of hated rivals Sunderland, with fascist salutes.


Could be fun and games, besides football then.
Just hope its peaceful, but somehow doubt it.
Speaking of web sites, I've just seen this elsewhere, National News Don't taunt Di Canio, fans warned Updated 11:40am Thursday 11th April 2013 Newcastle United fans have been warned by police not to taunt Paolo Di Canio, the manager of hated rivals Sunderland, with fascist salutes. Could be fun and games, besides football then. Just hope its peaceful, but somehow doubt it. the wizard
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12:10pm Thu 11 Apr 13

sagadude says...

M.way666@btinternet.
com
wrote:
All the hard work of the season as been thrown away can't see us even being up that far next season
All the hard work of the season (AT A HUGE FINANCIAL COST GETTING US CLOSE TO ADMINISTRATION) has been thrown away (AND REPLACED WITH A REALISTIC SPENDING PLAN ALBEIT WILL NOT GIVE US PROMOTION, BUT AT LEAST THE CLUB KNOWN AS STFC IS STILL HERE!) can't see us even being up that far next season - NO I CANNOT EITHER.

But it is all better than the Black/PDC reign that would surely have ruined the club anyway.

Maxed out on their credit card!
[quote][p][bold]M.way666@btinternet. com[/bold] wrote: All the hard work of the season as been thrown away can't see us even being up that far next season[/p][/quote]All the hard work of the season (AT A HUGE FINANCIAL COST GETTING US CLOSE TO ADMINISTRATION) has been thrown away (AND REPLACED WITH A REALISTIC SPENDING PLAN ALBEIT WILL NOT GIVE US PROMOTION, BUT AT LEAST THE CLUB KNOWN AS STFC IS STILL HERE!) can't see us even being up that far next season - NO I CANNOT EITHER. But it is all better than the Black/PDC reign that would surely have ruined the club anyway. Maxed out on their credit card! sagadude
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12:21pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Stratton Red says...

stfcdod wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
stfcdod wrote: Let's see some proof regarding these huge salaries and new cars the board are giving themselves. I know this, I know that, I know everything but not a shred of evidence from any of these malicious posters from other clubs. Come on, show us some evidence or get lost.
OPEN YOUR EYES and you shall see !!
Proof ?
I was at STFC yesterday and co-incidentally there were 3 brand new black Mercs parked outside the Arkells 'offical STFC parking' entrances. I was there at 8.45, left 4.15, they were there all day...
*
Can't say who owned them but it did generate a lot of 'no wonder your skint' and 'how much do STFC pay players' type comments. I did point out the players were at Wanborough...
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Let's see some proof regarding these huge salaries and new cars the board are giving themselves. I know this, I know that, I know everything but not a shred of evidence from any of these malicious posters from other clubs. Come on, show us some evidence or get lost.[/p][/quote]OPEN YOUR EYES and you shall see !![/p][/quote]Proof ?[/p][/quote]I was at STFC yesterday and co-incidentally there were 3 brand new black Mercs parked outside the Arkells 'offical STFC parking' entrances. I was there at 8.45, left 4.15, they were there all day... * Can't say who owned them but it did generate a lot of 'no wonder your skint' and 'how much do STFC pay players' type comments. I did point out the players were at Wanborough... Stratton Red
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12:21pm Thu 11 Apr 13

mr_flibble says...

So why did Jed boy promise the earth when he got here?

- Similar budget.
- Top Quality manager
- 'Championship Football'

all Jeds words: This is what has led to the fustration Sagadude
So why did Jed boy promise the earth when he got here? - Similar budget. - Top Quality manager - 'Championship Football' all Jeds words: This is what has led to the fustration Sagadude mr_flibble
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12:29pm Thu 11 Apr 13

SirReg says...

As the club is asking supporters to part with their hard-earned to buy season tickets, it would make sense for the board to refute claims that they are paying themselves big salaries and buying posh cars. It would be good too for our local newspaper and radio station to seek clarification.

This could all be done very quickly and help to calm things down; or not, depending on the answer, of course.
As the club is asking supporters to part with their hard-earned to buy season tickets, it would make sense for the board to refute claims that they are paying themselves big salaries and buying posh cars. It would be good too for our local newspaper and radio station to seek clarification. This could all be done very quickly and help to calm things down; or not, depending on the answer, of course. SirReg
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12:34pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Brainy_G93 says...

Mike Newell anyone?
Mike Newell anyone? Brainy_G93
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12:40pm Thu 11 Apr 13

you gots ta be kidding me says...

sagadude wrote:
M.way666@btinternet. com wrote: All the hard work of the season as been thrown away can't see us even being up that far next season
All the hard work of the season (AT A HUGE FINANCIAL COST GETTING US CLOSE TO ADMINISTRATION) has been thrown away (AND REPLACED WITH A REALISTIC SPENDING PLAN ALBEIT WILL NOT GIVE US PROMOTION, BUT AT LEAST THE CLUB KNOWN AS STFC IS STILL HERE!) can't see us even being up that far next season - NO I CANNOT EITHER. But it is all better than the Black/PDC reign that would surely have ruined the club anyway. Maxed out on their credit card!
What is that realistic spending plan then, its more of a loss management plan than a spending plan...
[quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.way666@btinternet. com[/bold] wrote: All the hard work of the season as been thrown away can't see us even being up that far next season[/p][/quote]All the hard work of the season (AT A HUGE FINANCIAL COST GETTING US CLOSE TO ADMINISTRATION) has been thrown away (AND REPLACED WITH A REALISTIC SPENDING PLAN ALBEIT WILL NOT GIVE US PROMOTION, BUT AT LEAST THE CLUB KNOWN AS STFC IS STILL HERE!) can't see us even being up that far next season - NO I CANNOT EITHER. But it is all better than the Black/PDC reign that would surely have ruined the club anyway. Maxed out on their credit card![/p][/quote]What is that realistic spending plan then, its more of a loss management plan than a spending plan... you gots ta be kidding me
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12:48pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Hunt & Buzzer says...

Brainy_G93 wrote:
Mike Newell anyone?
Yes please.
[quote][p][bold]Brainy_G93[/bold] wrote: Mike Newell anyone?[/p][/quote]Yes please. Hunt & Buzzer
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12:55pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Red & White Dragon says...

alynsmith wrote:
here is the answer I would like to have heard: 'as Paul Caddis is a Swindon player under a Swindon contract we look forward to having him back next season in the team as he is the type of quality player we need to progress to the Championship, wehether we are already there (unlikely) or not. However if the player hands in a transfer request we will look to achieve a transfer fee that reflects his ability especially as he has shown what he can do at the next level'
Could not agree with you more. I know its all about player power these days, however Caddis is a contracted Swindon player with over a year left on his contract. He comes back to us next season and plays for Swindon. Or we put him up for sale. There will be no shortage of interested clubs and we should be in NO hurry to sell him. So can wait for a realistic bid. Who Knows if we are doing well next season he may even want to stay- But it's not all about what Caddis wants.
[quote][p][bold]alynsmith[/bold] wrote: here is the answer I would like to have heard: 'as Paul Caddis is a Swindon player under a Swindon contract we look forward to having him back next season in the team as he is the type of quality player we need to progress to the Championship, wehether we are already there (unlikely) or not. However if the player hands in a transfer request we will look to achieve a transfer fee that reflects his ability especially as he has shown what he can do at the next level'[/p][/quote]Could not agree with you more. I know its all about player power these days, however Caddis is a contracted Swindon player with over a year left on his contract. He comes back to us next season and plays for Swindon. Or we put him up for sale. There will be no shortage of interested clubs and we should be in NO hurry to sell him. So can wait for a realistic bid. Who Knows if we are doing well next season he may even want to stay- But it's not all about what Caddis wants. Red & White Dragon
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1:00pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Oi Den! says...

sagadude wrote:
M.way666@btinternet.

com
wrote:
All the hard work of the season as been thrown away can't see us even being up that far next season
All the hard work of the season (AT A HUGE FINANCIAL COST GETTING US CLOSE TO ADMINISTRATION) has been thrown away (AND REPLACED WITH A REALISTIC SPENDING PLAN ALBEIT WILL NOT GIVE US PROMOTION, BUT AT LEAST THE CLUB KNOWN AS STFC IS STILL HERE!) can't see us even being up that far next season - NO I CANNOT EITHER.

But it is all better than the Black/PDC reign that would surely have ruined the club anyway.

Maxed out on their credit card!
I don't think the Black/PDC reign was ever going to ruin the club. The only financial damage was done to the people who put their money in and didn't want it back - Black and Arbib I believe.

Extravagant spending in football may be distasteful but it doesn't harm the club if those putting up the money are willing to lose it. The problem comes when the manager thinks he can squander the owners' money at will, and then keep coming back demanding more.

The big question now is what are the resources and motives of McCrory and co? It's hard to escape the conclusion that we just happen to be the League club that they managed to get their hands on after previous attempts.

If the club really has taken delivery of new Mercs for the directors, whether leased or purchased, a very wrong signal is being sent out.
[quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.way666@btinternet. com[/bold] wrote: All the hard work of the season as been thrown away can't see us even being up that far next season[/p][/quote]All the hard work of the season (AT A HUGE FINANCIAL COST GETTING US CLOSE TO ADMINISTRATION) has been thrown away (AND REPLACED WITH A REALISTIC SPENDING PLAN ALBEIT WILL NOT GIVE US PROMOTION, BUT AT LEAST THE CLUB KNOWN AS STFC IS STILL HERE!) can't see us even being up that far next season - NO I CANNOT EITHER. But it is all better than the Black/PDC reign that would surely have ruined the club anyway. Maxed out on their credit card![/p][/quote]I don't think the Black/PDC reign was ever going to ruin the club. The only financial damage was done to the people who put their money in and didn't want it back - Black and Arbib I believe. Extravagant spending in football may be distasteful but it doesn't harm the club if those putting up the money are willing to lose it. The problem comes when the manager thinks he can squander the owners' money at will, and then keep coming back demanding more. The big question now is what are the resources and motives of McCrory and co? It's hard to escape the conclusion that we just happen to be the League club that they managed to get their hands on after previous attempts. If the club really has taken delivery of new Mercs for the directors, whether leased or purchased, a very wrong signal is being sent out. Oi Den!
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1:01pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Red & White Dragon says...

the wizard wrote:
Speaking of web sites, I've just seen this elsewhere,

National News
Don't taunt Di Canio, fans warned

Updated 11:40am Thursday 11th April 2013

Newcastle United fans have been warned by police not to taunt Paolo Di Canio, the manager of hated rivals Sunderland, with fascist salutes.


Could be fun and games, besides football then.
Just hope its peaceful, but somehow doubt it.
It's all very interesting now seeing how people view PDC now we are on the outside looking at another club. This is how supporters of other clubs and the media used to look at us. Yes there was some admiration of the football we were playing. But also a focus on PDC for all the wrong reasons and many question raised about the man and the club that would employ him.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Speaking of web sites, I've just seen this elsewhere, National News Don't taunt Di Canio, fans warned Updated 11:40am Thursday 11th April 2013 Newcastle United fans have been warned by police not to taunt Paolo Di Canio, the manager of hated rivals Sunderland, with fascist salutes. Could be fun and games, besides football then. Just hope its peaceful, but somehow doubt it.[/p][/quote]It's all very interesting now seeing how people view PDC now we are on the outside looking at another club. This is how supporters of other clubs and the media used to look at us. Yes there was some admiration of the football we were playing. But also a focus on PDC for all the wrong reasons and many question raised about the man and the club that would employ him. Red & White Dragon
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1:08pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Med Red says...

When Black sold the club debt free, plus money from the sale of Ritchie, for £1 to Money-bags McCrory, bet him and his buddies must have thought all their xmas's had come at once. Fire sale in the summer, plus pop-concerts and then McCrory & Co. will be 'avin it away on their toes, with their pockets full to bursting.... kerching!!
When Black sold the club debt free, plus money from the sale of Ritchie, for £1 to Money-bags McCrory, bet him and his buddies must have thought all their xmas's had come at once. Fire sale in the summer, plus pop-concerts and then McCrory & Co. will be 'avin it away on their toes, with their pockets full to bursting.... kerching!! Med Red
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1:16pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
old town robin wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
old town robin wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
He was sold by Black.
Did you actually read my comment? I said Matt was sold by Black but as you are so well informed you will remember he originally said he didn't agree to sell him at the first time of asking, it was only when he became aware the new lot didn't have a pot to p11s in. He was then forced to sell Matt to fund them or keep the club until the summer or worse scenario put us into admin. The point I tried to make is none of those options would have been needed if the new lot were genuine bonafide business men with funds of their own and had been able to make an immediate cash injection. Say what you want about Black, I think his hand was forced by the new lot, fund us or we walk away. Patey did a lousy job finding a buyer if this lot was the best he could come up with. More drama than Dallas and guess who's playing the role of JR. I'm still waiting to hear from the board what Seebeck 87 is all about, are they consultants, developers, financial house, I don't know other than as of 1st Feb they had £0 funds, Other questions I have is the mystery investor(s) a bank, loan company, was the £1.2m paid into Seebeck or club equity, will we be paying interest on a loan, if so how much and for how long. It's time this board came clean and make us all aware if their intentions are genuine or do we have to make our own assumptions they're here to get out of the club whatever they can until the cupboard is bare. Football fan are they, well haven't seen too much from them in that department as yet.
Superb post OTR. I'm clinging to the dream that somehow some day the Fitton consortium will return and restore some faith and dignity. You never know, Andrew Black might even relish the possibility of owning a football club where a gun is not constantly held to his head.
Den why would you want Black back? Surely we would run the risk of him pulling the plug at any time for no given reason and putting us in administration? I'm not sure I now associate the former regime with faith and dignity after the weak and naive management of various situations.

OTR was Black's hand forced into the two week sale? Was there no way he could handled that better? That wasn't the new owners fault as they weren't in charge and wouldn't have physically got the money together until they were. Not defending the McCrory group I'm as sceptical as anyone but the decision to sell Ritchie wasn't their's to make.

I do question the Patey role though, Patey had several months to do this and should have done better. Not sure what he was actually doing to justify his wage.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]He was sold by Black.[/p][/quote]Did you actually read my comment? I said Matt was sold by Black but as you are so well informed you will remember he originally said he didn't agree to sell him at the first time of asking, it was only when he became aware the new lot didn't have a pot to p11s in. He was then forced to sell Matt to fund them or keep the club until the summer or worse scenario put us into admin. The point I tried to make is none of those options would have been needed if the new lot were genuine bonafide business men with funds of their own and had been able to make an immediate cash injection. Say what you want about Black, I think his hand was forced by the new lot, fund us or we walk away. Patey did a lousy job finding a buyer if this lot was the best he could come up with. More drama than Dallas and guess who's playing the role of JR. I'm still waiting to hear from the board what Seebeck 87 is all about, are they consultants, developers, financial house, I don't know other than as of 1st Feb they had £0 funds, Other questions I have is the mystery investor(s) a bank, loan company, was the £1.2m paid into Seebeck or club equity, will we be paying interest on a loan, if so how much and for how long. It's time this board came clean and make us all aware if their intentions are genuine or do we have to make our own assumptions they're here to get out of the club whatever they can until the cupboard is bare. Football fan are they, well haven't seen too much from them in that department as yet.[/p][/quote]Superb post OTR. I'm clinging to the dream that somehow some day the Fitton consortium will return and restore some faith and dignity. You never know, Andrew Black might even relish the possibility of owning a football club where a gun is not constantly held to his head.[/p][/quote]Den why would you want Black back? Surely we would run the risk of him pulling the plug at any time for no given reason and putting us in administration? I'm not sure I now associate the former regime with faith and dignity after the weak and naive management of various situations. OTR was Black's hand forced into the two week sale? Was there no way he could handled that better? That wasn't the new owners fault as they weren't in charge and wouldn't have physically got the money together until they were. Not defending the McCrory group I'm as sceptical as anyone but the decision to sell Ritchie wasn't their's to make. I do question the Patey role though, Patey had several months to do this and should have done better. Not sure what he was actually doing to justify his wage. Wilesy
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1:21pm Thu 11 Apr 13

TownGooner68 says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
So, its official, not that it hasn't been perfectly clear all along; Benson and Caddis can not come back to us untill the season is over.

Yet, still people will say - "Get them back for the Play-offs"

About Paul Caddis, I do fear that we will not get a fee that truely reflects his value.

About Paul Benson, If he wants to remain a Town player, I'd play him, he would surely have converted some of the near chances we created this season. And that may have made all the difference.

I know its IF, BUTS and MAYBE, but if we had just turned 3 draws into wins, we would still be right in the mix.

I know thats the same for every team, but I don't care about the others, just STFC.
exactly - again me thinks KM should not take all the blame for our totally out of form strikers who to me as a season ticket holder have let us down since end of january or when picarotta (famously resigned at Tranmere in front of the tv camera's)...which is the biggest foreign joke ive ever seen since ive been following the game!!
Do we need to stroke our strikers ego's, train them 24/7, get them to eat with all their team mates, not to see their families, get them to watch videos over and over how to score from six yards out - what is the answer to get Williams and Roberts and hmm Rooney (out of his depth at this level) to stick that ball in the onion bag consistantly
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: So, its official, not that it hasn't been perfectly clear all along; Benson and Caddis can not come back to us untill the season is over. Yet, still people will say - "Get them back for the Play-offs" About Paul Caddis, I do fear that we will not get a fee that truely reflects his value. About Paul Benson, If he wants to remain a Town player, I'd play him, he would surely have converted some of the near chances we created this season. And that may have made all the difference. I know its IF, BUTS and MAYBE, but if we had just turned 3 draws into wins, we would still be right in the mix. I know thats the same for every team, but I don't care about the others, just STFC.[/p][/quote]exactly - again me thinks KM should not take all the blame for our totally out of form strikers who to me as a season ticket holder have let us down since end of january or when picarotta (famously resigned at Tranmere in front of the tv camera's)...which is the biggest foreign joke ive ever seen since ive been following the game!! Do we need to stroke our strikers ego's, train them 24/7, get them to eat with all their team mates, not to see their families, get them to watch videos over and over how to score from six yards out - what is the answer to get Williams and Roberts and hmm Rooney (out of his depth at this level) to stick that ball in the onion bag consistantly TownGooner68
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1:27pm Thu 11 Apr 13

you gots ta be kidding me says...

Guys

I know I have said a lot of nothing, but the one thing I will assure you all, it is not the intention of Jed and Boards to rip the club off per se, they are taking wages and getting a company car, but if they are working full time on the club why not, they are not looking to exit they do honestly want this to work. They have wanted to own a proper football club and they believe they will be successful.

Thats where I probably disagree, the experience is lacking, the discipline at the club has gone, the commerciality that was bought with very experienced wealthy businessmen has also gone.

The club has to be self sustained, more so than when AF and board was here, they had money to invest and cover losses, that has also gone, Kmac is a cheap option and could come good, but he does fit the bill of what we need next year if there is no promotion.

We have over the last 18 months and in my oppinion 5 years under the AF consortium been a bit spoilt. We are now returning to more humble days, where the board dont tell us everything, not always a bad thing. Even in the days prior to the AF takeover and buyout we had the Wills family who put an extortionate money in, just to keep the club afloat, because they loved our club, they never received the credit deserved.

the difference here is the board want to make it work, but if it doesn't it was good spend of a £1, whilst picking up a fair days pay and receiving some sale proceeds.

But there is a real threat from the FL that the club will be demoted if they go into administration and not just one division.
Guys I know I have said a lot of nothing, but the one thing I will assure you all, it is not the intention of Jed and Boards to rip the club off per se, they are taking wages and getting a company car, but if they are working full time on the club why not, they are not looking to exit they do honestly want this to work. They have wanted to own a proper football club and they believe they will be successful. Thats where I probably disagree, the experience is lacking, the discipline at the club has gone, the commerciality that was bought with very experienced wealthy businessmen has also gone. The club has to be self sustained, more so than when AF and board was here, they had money to invest and cover losses, that has also gone, Kmac is a cheap option and could come good, but he does fit the bill of what we need next year if there is no promotion. We have over the last 18 months and in my oppinion 5 years under the AF consortium been a bit spoilt. We are now returning to more humble days, where the board dont tell us everything, not always a bad thing. Even in the days prior to the AF takeover and buyout we had the Wills family who put an extortionate money in, just to keep the club afloat, because they loved our club, they never received the credit deserved. the difference here is the board want to make it work, but if it doesn't it was good spend of a £1, whilst picking up a fair days pay and receiving some sale proceeds. But there is a real threat from the FL that the club will be demoted if they go into administration and not just one division. you gots ta be kidding me
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1:35pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Wilesy says...

SirReg wrote:
As the club is asking supporters to part with their hard-earned to buy season tickets, it would make sense for the board to refute claims that they are paying themselves big salaries and buying posh cars. It would be good too for our local newspaper and radio station to seek clarification. This could all be done very quickly and help to calm things down; or not, depending on the answer, of course.
Why would the directors need to be claiming nice cars?

McCrory has a very nice Bentley, as he tweeted a picture of it at his first home game. I'm sure the others may already have nice cars as well, and I'm sure Callum Rice may have a very nice camper van.

As many have said, a Q+A with the board is long overdue, where they can inform people with truthful answers to questions about their short, medium and long term goals for the club. At the moment very sceptical, based on what has actually happened under their tenure to date and if I was them I would want to reassure fans.
[quote][p][bold]SirReg[/bold] wrote: As the club is asking supporters to part with their hard-earned to buy season tickets, it would make sense for the board to refute claims that they are paying themselves big salaries and buying posh cars. It would be good too for our local newspaper and radio station to seek clarification. This could all be done very quickly and help to calm things down; or not, depending on the answer, of course.[/p][/quote]Why would the directors need to be claiming nice cars? McCrory has a very nice Bentley, as he tweeted a picture of it at his first home game. I'm sure the others may already have nice cars as well, and I'm sure Callum Rice may have a very nice camper van. As many have said, a Q+A with the board is long overdue, where they can inform people with truthful answers to questions about their short, medium and long term goals for the club. At the moment very sceptical, based on what has actually happened under their tenure to date and if I was them I would want to reassure fans. Wilesy
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1:41pm Thu 11 Apr 13

TownGooner68 says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
Guys

I know I have said a lot of nothing, but the one thing I will assure you all, it is not the intention of Jed and Boards to rip the club off per se, they are taking wages and getting a company car, but if they are working full time on the club why not, they are not looking to exit they do honestly want this to work. They have wanted to own a proper football club and they believe they will be successful.

Thats where I probably disagree, the experience is lacking, the discipline at the club has gone, the commerciality that was bought with very experienced wealthy businessmen has also gone.

The club has to be self sustained, more so than when AF and board was here, they had money to invest and cover losses, that has also gone, Kmac is a cheap option and could come good, but he does fit the bill of what we need next year if there is no promotion.

We have over the last 18 months and in my oppinion 5 years under the AF consortium been a bit spoilt. We are now returning to more humble days, where the board dont tell us everything, not always a bad thing. Even in the days prior to the AF takeover and buyout we had the Wills family who put an extortionate money in, just to keep the club afloat, because they loved our club, they never received the credit deserved.

the difference here is the board want to make it work, but if it doesn't it was good spend of a £1, whilst picking up a fair days pay and receiving some sale proceeds.

But there is a real threat from the FL that the club will be demoted if they go into administration and not just one division.
I've also spoken to Steve Morrall directly and he said to me that STFC will be in non league football if we go into administration again - FACT
I also shook his hand and said to him thank you to the board for saving our football club
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: Guys I know I have said a lot of nothing, but the one thing I will assure you all, it is not the intention of Jed and Boards to rip the club off per se, they are taking wages and getting a company car, but if they are working full time on the club why not, they are not looking to exit they do honestly want this to work. They have wanted to own a proper football club and they believe they will be successful. Thats where I probably disagree, the experience is lacking, the discipline at the club has gone, the commerciality that was bought with very experienced wealthy businessmen has also gone. The club has to be self sustained, more so than when AF and board was here, they had money to invest and cover losses, that has also gone, Kmac is a cheap option and could come good, but he does fit the bill of what we need next year if there is no promotion. We have over the last 18 months and in my oppinion 5 years under the AF consortium been a bit spoilt. We are now returning to more humble days, where the board dont tell us everything, not always a bad thing. Even in the days prior to the AF takeover and buyout we had the Wills family who put an extortionate money in, just to keep the club afloat, because they loved our club, they never received the credit deserved. the difference here is the board want to make it work, but if it doesn't it was good spend of a £1, whilst picking up a fair days pay and receiving some sale proceeds. But there is a real threat from the FL that the club will be demoted if they go into administration and not just one division.[/p][/quote]I've also spoken to Steve Morrall directly and he said to me that STFC will be in non league football if we go into administration again - FACT I also shook his hand and said to him thank you to the board for saving our football club TownGooner68
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1:45pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy, I think you run that risk with any wealthy backer. Black (and the others) gave us 5 good years. I don't think the club has ever been in better hands, and I doubt that it will be again. They made mistakes, of course, principally that they gave Wilson too much time and Di Canio too much money - but it's what most fans wanted. And they took the huge cost on the chin. Very often "investors" want their money back. Ours gave theirs to the club.

If they came back, I would have every faith in them. Their dignity speaks for itself. Fitton and Wray, as the front men, were always willing to address questions raised by supporters and always spoke clearly and honestly. In short, they are the sort of people I like to see as the face of our football club, representing us in the media, in boardrooms at away matches up and down the country, and receiving directors of visiting clubs at the County Ground. They never required bouncers on the door of the STFC boardroom on matchdays.

I agree with OTR. Black would not have needed to agree the Ritchie sale if the new people were worthy purchasers, which leads me on to agree with you entirely about Patey. If alarm bells were ringing at Cheltenham, they should have been ringing loudly and clearly in his head too.
Wilesy, I think you run that risk with any wealthy backer. Black (and the others) gave us 5 good years. I don't think the club has ever been in better hands, and I doubt that it will be again. They made mistakes, of course, principally that they gave Wilson too much time and Di Canio too much money - but it's what most fans wanted. And they took the huge cost on the chin. Very often "investors" want their money back. Ours gave theirs to the club. If they came back, I would have every faith in them. Their dignity speaks for itself. Fitton and Wray, as the front men, were always willing to address questions raised by supporters and always spoke clearly and honestly. In short, they are the sort of people I like to see as the face of our football club, representing us in the media, in boardrooms at away matches up and down the country, and receiving directors of visiting clubs at the County Ground. They never required bouncers on the door of the STFC boardroom on matchdays. I agree with OTR. Black would not have needed to agree the Ritchie sale if the new people were worthy purchasers, which leads me on to agree with you entirely about Patey. If alarm bells were ringing at Cheltenham, they should have been ringing loudly and clearly in his head too. Oi Den!
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1:48pm Thu 11 Apr 13

DBTSTFC says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Really?!? I don't agree with the personal abuse of KM but, with Coventry being the exception and I have not seen away games that weren't on telly, I think our football has been generally quite poor. Certainly no better than under PDC and we had a number of poor performances under him.

A couple of home games the strikers were to blame, but only because we left it late to start attacking and then got all panicky and desperate, but against Donny, for example, we never created a chance and created very little at MK, by all accounts.

Granted we could do with another striker, but I doubt many share your Wembley trip optimism, given our current form, unless you are talking about an organised tour of the stadium.
Our football is by no meens perfect there is a lot to work on, but we get the ball down a pass a lot better every game (except mk i missed that) we have dominated just not been able to finish. For me it felt like watch tennis more than football when PDC was in charge, long balls, we never got the ball down and played it around players.
If one of the strikers can step up a score regularly there is no reason why we cant get to the play offs but it all hangs on the next two games.
I would rather get behind the boys try and raise the strikers confindece than constantly complain like a lot of the fans on here which could knock there confidence even more.
Im always optimistic and wont book the stadium tour untill the maths says otherwise. Lol
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Really?!? I don't agree with the personal abuse of KM but, with Coventry being the exception and I have not seen away games that weren't on telly, I think our football has been generally quite poor. Certainly no better than under PDC and we had a number of poor performances under him. A couple of home games the strikers were to blame, but only because we left it late to start attacking and then got all panicky and desperate, but against Donny, for example, we never created a chance and created very little at MK, by all accounts. Granted we could do with another striker, but I doubt many share your Wembley trip optimism, given our current form, unless you are talking about an organised tour of the stadium.[/p][/quote]Our football is by no meens perfect there is a lot to work on, but we get the ball down a pass a lot better every game (except mk i missed that) we have dominated just not been able to finish. For me it felt like watch tennis more than football when PDC was in charge, long balls, we never got the ball down and played it around players. If one of the strikers can step up a score regularly there is no reason why we cant get to the play offs but it all hangs on the next two games. I would rather get behind the boys try and raise the strikers confindece than constantly complain like a lot of the fans on here which could knock there confidence even more. Im always optimistic and wont book the stadium tour untill the maths says otherwise. Lol DBTSTFC
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1:48pm Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
old town robin wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
old town robin wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
He was sold by Black.
Did you actually read my comment? I said Matt was sold by Black but as you are so well informed you will remember he originally said he didn't agree to sell him at the first time of asking, it was only when he became aware the new lot didn't have a pot to p11s in. He was then forced to sell Matt to fund them or keep the club until the summer or worse scenario put us into admin. The point I tried to make is none of those options would have been needed if the new lot were genuine bonafide business men with funds of their own and had been able to make an immediate cash injection. Say what you want about Black, I think his hand was forced by the new lot, fund us or we walk away. Patey did a lousy job finding a buyer if this lot was the best he could come up with. More drama than Dallas and guess who's playing the role of JR. I'm still waiting to hear from the board what Seebeck 87 is all about, are they consultants, developers, financial house, I don't know other than as of 1st Feb they had £0 funds, Other questions I have is the mystery investor(s) a bank, loan company, was the £1.2m paid into Seebeck or club equity, will we be paying interest on a loan, if so how much and for how long. It's time this board came clean and make us all aware if their intentions are genuine or do we have to make our own assumptions they're here to get out of the club whatever they can until the cupboard is bare. Football fan are they, well haven't seen too much from them in that department as yet.
Superb post OTR. I'm clinging to the dream that somehow some day the Fitton consortium will return and restore some faith and dignity. You never know, Andrew Black might even relish the possibility of owning a football club where a gun is not constantly held to his head.
Den why would you want Black back? Surely we would run the risk of him pulling the plug at any time for no given reason and putting us in administration? I'm not sure I now associate the former regime with faith and dignity after the weak and naive management of various situations.

OTR was Black's hand forced into the two week sale? Was there no way he could handled that better? That wasn't the new owners fault as they weren't in charge and wouldn't have physically got the money together until they were. Not defending the McCrory group I'm as sceptical as anyone but the decision to sell Ritchie wasn't their's to make.

I do question the Patey role though, Patey had several months to do this and should have done better. Not sure what he was actually doing to justify his wage.
Patey was there to wind up PDC towards the door, "Talk to the hand PDC because the head is no longer listening"

That is what all that was about, PDC and Spencer vs experienced politician. I didn't like the Patey man, but he won the contest, p155ed PDC off through discrete manoeuvres behind the scenes, hints, nods maybe even whispers about Paolo this+that, oh by the way did you know........, and that is why he was brought in, plus the fact he blocked all approaches to Black for more funding, as the last three loans never happened due to reasons various, that is why Not so Matey Patey was brought in.

Nasty piece of work, but that is what these guys are, nothing in politics is clear cut or nice.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]He was sold by Black.[/p][/quote]Did you actually read my comment? I said Matt was sold by Black but as you are so well informed you will remember he originally said he didn't agree to sell him at the first time of asking, it was only when he became aware the new lot didn't have a pot to p11s in. He was then forced to sell Matt to fund them or keep the club until the summer or worse scenario put us into admin. The point I tried to make is none of those options would have been needed if the new lot were genuine bonafide business men with funds of their own and had been able to make an immediate cash injection. Say what you want about Black, I think his hand was forced by the new lot, fund us or we walk away. Patey did a lousy job finding a buyer if this lot was the best he could come up with. More drama than Dallas and guess who's playing the role of JR. I'm still waiting to hear from the board what Seebeck 87 is all about, are they consultants, developers, financial house, I don't know other than as of 1st Feb they had £0 funds, Other questions I have is the mystery investor(s) a bank, loan company, was the £1.2m paid into Seebeck or club equity, will we be paying interest on a loan, if so how much and for how long. It's time this board came clean and make us all aware if their intentions are genuine or do we have to make our own assumptions they're here to get out of the club whatever they can until the cupboard is bare. Football fan are they, well haven't seen too much from them in that department as yet.[/p][/quote]Superb post OTR. I'm clinging to the dream that somehow some day the Fitton consortium will return and restore some faith and dignity. You never know, Andrew Black might even relish the possibility of owning a football club where a gun is not constantly held to his head.[/p][/quote]Den why would you want Black back? Surely we would run the risk of him pulling the plug at any time for no given reason and putting us in administration? I'm not sure I now associate the former regime with faith and dignity after the weak and naive management of various situations. OTR was Black's hand forced into the two week sale? Was there no way he could handled that better? That wasn't the new owners fault as they weren't in charge and wouldn't have physically got the money together until they were. Not defending the McCrory group I'm as sceptical as anyone but the decision to sell Ritchie wasn't their's to make. I do question the Patey role though, Patey had several months to do this and should have done better. Not sure what he was actually doing to justify his wage.[/p][/quote]Patey was there to wind up PDC towards the door, "Talk to the hand PDC because the head is no longer listening" That is what all that was about, PDC and Spencer vs experienced politician. I didn't like the Patey man, but he won the contest, p155ed PDC off through discrete manoeuvres behind the scenes, hints, nods maybe even whispers about Paolo this+that, oh by the way did you know........, and that is why he was brought in, plus the fact he blocked all approaches to Black for more funding, as the last three loans never happened due to reasons various, that is why Not so Matey Patey was brought in. Nasty piece of work, but that is what these guys are, nothing in politics is clear cut or nice. the wizard
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1:50pm Thu 11 Apr 13

DBTSTFC says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
stfclondon wrote:
I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage.

Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year.

As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t.

For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts.

The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet.

Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.
Excellent post
Ditto
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage. Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year. As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t. For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts. The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet. Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.[/p][/quote]Excellent post[/p][/quote]Ditto DBTSTFC
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1:50pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Oi Den! says...

TownGooner68 wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
Guys

I know I have said a lot of nothing, but the one thing I will assure you all, it is not the intention of Jed and Boards to rip the club off per se, they are taking wages and getting a company car, but if they are working full time on the club why not, they are not looking to exit they do honestly want this to work. They have wanted to own a proper football club and they believe they will be successful.

Thats where I probably disagree, the experience is lacking, the discipline at the club has gone, the commerciality that was bought with very experienced wealthy businessmen has also gone.

The club has to be self sustained, more so than when AF and board was here, they had money to invest and cover losses, that has also gone, Kmac is a cheap option and could come good, but he does fit the bill of what we need next year if there is no promotion.

We have over the last 18 months and in my oppinion 5 years under the AF consortium been a bit spoilt. We are now returning to more humble days, where the board dont tell us everything, not always a bad thing. Even in the days prior to the AF takeover and buyout we had the Wills family who put an extortionate money in, just to keep the club afloat, because they loved our club, they never received the credit deserved.

the difference here is the board want to make it work, but if it doesn't it was good spend of a £1, whilst picking up a fair days pay and receiving some sale proceeds.

But there is a real threat from the FL that the club will be demoted if they go into administration and not just one division.
I've also spoken to Steve Morrall directly and he said to me that STFC will be in non league football if we go into administration again - FACT
I also shook his hand and said to him thank you to the board for saving our football club
Quite possible - but FACT? The only thing Murrall has said to the fans at large so far turned out to be far from FACT. It was complete bunkum.
[quote][p][bold]TownGooner68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: Guys I know I have said a lot of nothing, but the one thing I will assure you all, it is not the intention of Jed and Boards to rip the club off per se, they are taking wages and getting a company car, but if they are working full time on the club why not, they are not looking to exit they do honestly want this to work. They have wanted to own a proper football club and they believe they will be successful. Thats where I probably disagree, the experience is lacking, the discipline at the club has gone, the commerciality that was bought with very experienced wealthy businessmen has also gone. The club has to be self sustained, more so than when AF and board was here, they had money to invest and cover losses, that has also gone, Kmac is a cheap option and could come good, but he does fit the bill of what we need next year if there is no promotion. We have over the last 18 months and in my oppinion 5 years under the AF consortium been a bit spoilt. We are now returning to more humble days, where the board dont tell us everything, not always a bad thing. Even in the days prior to the AF takeover and buyout we had the Wills family who put an extortionate money in, just to keep the club afloat, because they loved our club, they never received the credit deserved. the difference here is the board want to make it work, but if it doesn't it was good spend of a £1, whilst picking up a fair days pay and receiving some sale proceeds. But there is a real threat from the FL that the club will be demoted if they go into administration and not just one division.[/p][/quote]I've also spoken to Steve Morrall directly and he said to me that STFC will be in non league football if we go into administration again - FACT I also shook his hand and said to him thank you to the board for saving our football club[/p][/quote]Quite possible - but FACT? The only thing Murrall has said to the fans at large so far turned out to be far from FACT. It was complete bunkum. Oi Den!
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1:50pm Thu 11 Apr 13

stfclondon says...

you gots ta be kidding me - correct, you've said a lot of nothing. Just like all your previous incarnations. I'm sure you'll be on here saying a lot of nothing for some time to come, with a new username every couple of weeks.

Crack on then. You clearly get a kick out of it.
you gots ta be kidding me - correct, you've said a lot of nothing. Just like all your previous incarnations. I'm sure you'll be on here saying a lot of nothing for some time to come, with a new username every couple of weeks. Crack on then. You clearly get a kick out of it. stfclondon
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1:56pm Thu 11 Apr 13

smirg kcab says...

DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive
I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games.
Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?)
Top post had a chuckle
Have you got any eyes?
[quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes? smirg kcab
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2:00pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Swindon1984 says...

Red & White Dragon wrote:
alynsmith wrote: here is the answer I would like to have heard: 'as Paul Caddis is a Swindon player under a Swindon contract we look forward to having him back next season in the team as he is the type of quality player we need to progress to the Championship, wehether we are already there (unlikely) or not. However if the player hands in a transfer request we will look to achieve a transfer fee that reflects his ability especially as he has shown what he can do at the next level'
Could not agree with you more. I know its all about player power these days, however Caddis is a contracted Swindon player with over a year left on his contract. He comes back to us next season and plays for Swindon. Or we put him up for sale. There will be no shortage of interested clubs and we should be in NO hurry to sell him. So can wait for a realistic bid. Who Knows if we are doing well next season he may even want to stay- But it's not all about what Caddis wants.
Yep - a stronger response from the manager was required here. Think he could benefit from some media training, as although it won't give someone a personality they haven't got (just mean in general, not having a pop at the manager) it does help them deal with the situation. He doesn't look comfortable being interviewed at all at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Red & White Dragon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alynsmith[/bold] wrote: here is the answer I would like to have heard: 'as Paul Caddis is a Swindon player under a Swindon contract we look forward to having him back next season in the team as he is the type of quality player we need to progress to the Championship, wehether we are already there (unlikely) or not. However if the player hands in a transfer request we will look to achieve a transfer fee that reflects his ability especially as he has shown what he can do at the next level'[/p][/quote]Could not agree with you more. I know its all about player power these days, however Caddis is a contracted Swindon player with over a year left on his contract. He comes back to us next season and plays for Swindon. Or we put him up for sale. There will be no shortage of interested clubs and we should be in NO hurry to sell him. So can wait for a realistic bid. Who Knows if we are doing well next season he may even want to stay- But it's not all about what Caddis wants.[/p][/quote]Yep - a stronger response from the manager was required here. Think he could benefit from some media training, as although it won't give someone a personality they haven't got (just mean in general, not having a pop at the manager) it does help them deal with the situation. He doesn't look comfortable being interviewed at all at the moment. Swindon1984
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2:01pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Swindon1984 says...

Parrett's been sent home -

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/22
106651

Haven't been hugely impressed by him, moreso by the other two so hopefully we can hang on to them (and bring in someone who can actually hit a barn door from six yards out...)
Parrett's been sent home - http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/22 106651 Haven't been hugely impressed by him, moreso by the other two so hopefully we can hang on to them (and bring in someone who can actually hit a barn door from six yards out...) Swindon1984
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2:01pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Swindon1984 says...

Parrett's been sent home -

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/22
106651

Haven't been hugely impressed by him, moreso by the other two so hopefully we can hang on to them (and bring in someone who can actually hit a barn door from six yards out...)
Parrett's been sent home - http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/22 106651 Haven't been hugely impressed by him, moreso by the other two so hopefully we can hang on to them (and bring in someone who can actually hit a barn door from six yards out...) Swindon1984
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2:18pm Thu 11 Apr 13

stfcphil says...

stfclondon wrote:
I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage. Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year. As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t. For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts. The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet. Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.
Excellent post, however, you've broken the big house rule on this site, by putting forward a case based on evidence, sense and logic.
[quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage. Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year. As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t. For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts. The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet. Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.[/p][/quote]Excellent post, however, you've broken the big house rule on this site, by putting forward a case based on evidence, sense and logic. stfcphil
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2:22pm Thu 11 Apr 13

We are PANTS says...

smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive
I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games.
Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?)
Top post had a chuckle
Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!!
Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!!

People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them...

Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it? We are PANTS
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2:28pm Thu 11 Apr 13

hertz says...

Dear moaners . You may find this hard to believe but it is not unusual for owners , board members or directors of even quite a small business to actually have leased company cars these days , so it does'nt durprise me that our board has leased some cars even more so if you happen to give a company a nice big ad in your programs , you all want us to act and look like a professional unit so what would you prefer they turn up at FA meetings on a bike ? unbelievable
Dear moaners . You may find this hard to believe but it is not unusual for owners , board members or directors of even quite a small business to actually have leased company cars these days , so it does'nt durprise me that our board has leased some cars even more so if you happen to give a company a nice big ad in your programs , you all want us to act and look like a professional unit so what would you prefer they turn up at FA meetings on a bike ? unbelievable hertz
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2:37pm Thu 11 Apr 13

mr_flibble says...

How can players in a team with the best defensive record and a goal difference of +34 not be good enough for this league?

This is why Kmac has not won over many fans.

Plus please at least acknowledge fans after games. Even a half arsed 'Alan Pardew' style three claps over the head would do from the safety of the dugout.
How can players in a team with the best defensive record and a goal difference of +34 not be good enough for this league? This is why Kmac has not won over many fans. Plus please at least acknowledge fans after games. Even a half arsed 'Alan Pardew' style three claps over the head would do from the safety of the dugout. mr_flibble
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2:38pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Nosuprises says...

hertz wrote:
Dear moaners . You may find this hard to believe but it is not unusual for owners , board members or directors of even quite a small business to actually have leased company cars these days , so it does'nt durprise me that our board has leased some cars even more so if you happen to give a company a nice big ad in your programs , you all want us to act and look like a professional unit so what would you prefer they turn up at FA meetings on a bike ? unbelievable
All joking aside with a name like "Hertz" are you sure your not looking to plug your rental business??
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Dear moaners . You may find this hard to believe but it is not unusual for owners , board members or directors of even quite a small business to actually have leased company cars these days , so it does'nt durprise me that our board has leased some cars even more so if you happen to give a company a nice big ad in your programs , you all want us to act and look like a professional unit so what would you prefer they turn up at FA meetings on a bike ? unbelievable[/p][/quote]All joking aside with a name like "Hertz" are you sure your not looking to plug your rental business?? Nosuprises
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2:46pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Med Red says...

TownGooner68 wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote: Guys I know I have said a lot of nothing, but the one thing I will assure you all, it is not the intention of Jed and Boards to rip the club off per se, they are taking wages and getting a company car, but if they are working full time on the club why not, they are not looking to exit they do honestly want this to work. They have wanted to own a proper football club and they believe they will be successful. Thats where I probably disagree, the experience is lacking, the discipline at the club has gone, the commerciality that was bought with very experienced wealthy businessmen has also gone. The club has to be self sustained, more so than when AF and board was here, they had money to invest and cover losses, that has also gone, Kmac is a cheap option and could come good, but he does fit the bill of what we need next year if there is no promotion. We have over the last 18 months and in my oppinion 5 years under the AF consortium been a bit spoilt. We are now returning to more humble days, where the board dont tell us everything, not always a bad thing. Even in the days prior to the AF takeover and buyout we had the Wills family who put an extortionate money in, just to keep the club afloat, because they loved our club, they never received the credit deserved. the difference here is the board want to make it work, but if it doesn't it was good spend of a £1, whilst picking up a fair days pay and receiving some sale proceeds. But there is a real threat from the FL that the club will be demoted if they go into administration and not just one division.
I've also spoken to Steve Morrall directly and he said to me that STFC will be in non league football if we go into administration again - FACT I also shook his hand and said to him thank you to the board for saving our football club
Oh yeah, and what's your name... Mrs Murrall?
[quote][p][bold]TownGooner68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: Guys I know I have said a lot of nothing, but the one thing I will assure you all, it is not the intention of Jed and Boards to rip the club off per se, they are taking wages and getting a company car, but if they are working full time on the club why not, they are not looking to exit they do honestly want this to work. They have wanted to own a proper football club and they believe they will be successful. Thats where I probably disagree, the experience is lacking, the discipline at the club has gone, the commerciality that was bought with very experienced wealthy businessmen has also gone. The club has to be self sustained, more so than when AF and board was here, they had money to invest and cover losses, that has also gone, Kmac is a cheap option and could come good, but he does fit the bill of what we need next year if there is no promotion. We have over the last 18 months and in my oppinion 5 years under the AF consortium been a bit spoilt. We are now returning to more humble days, where the board dont tell us everything, not always a bad thing. Even in the days prior to the AF takeover and buyout we had the Wills family who put an extortionate money in, just to keep the club afloat, because they loved our club, they never received the credit deserved. the difference here is the board want to make it work, but if it doesn't it was good spend of a £1, whilst picking up a fair days pay and receiving some sale proceeds. But there is a real threat from the FL that the club will be demoted if they go into administration and not just one division.[/p][/quote]I've also spoken to Steve Morrall directly and he said to me that STFC will be in non league football if we go into administration again - FACT I also shook his hand and said to him thank you to the board for saving our football club[/p][/quote]Oh yeah, and what's your name... Mrs Murrall? Med Red
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2:52pm Thu 11 Apr 13

tally38 says...

We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive
I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games.
Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?)
Top post had a chuckle
Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!!
Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!!

People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them...

Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
HERE HERE
[quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]HERE HERE tally38
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3:07pm Thu 11 Apr 13

themoonraker says...

does anybody actually have any idea about what is really going on at STFC?
Both the Adver and BBC seem to be unwilling to ask the pertinent questions, why is that?? have they been told to 'go away we've nothing to say to you'?, or do they have no 'reporters' who have the b@lls to keep on badgering the clubs officials for some answers and clarification?
either way, they are a local paper/radio station with local readers/listeners and I really do think that we deserve better from them, I live in hope but expect nothing as neither seem to care a hoot.
Also, the trust, sorry guys but you bang on about how you will provide a link between the club and it's supporters, but we have heard nothing from you either, have you even bothered to pester the new regime or not?, if you are indeed serious now could be the perfect time for you to prove that you do have some teeth and are not just full of talk and promises.
If the Adver, BBC and trust can then come on here and tell us that the board will not talk to them or if indeed the club decide to tell them that they are not welcome, then we the lowly fans can draw our own conclusions from that and make our own feelings known very loudly and vocally between now and the end of the season.
We fans have the ultimate veto and perhaps, if the season is over with regards to promotion and play offs then we should let the club know in no uncertain terms.
Jed and co must be aware of the aggravation and distrust that they are causing by their continued silence, and surely they can't want that?, much better a fan base that buys into the plan/vision.........
isn't it?
does anybody actually have any idea about what is really going on at STFC? Both the Adver and BBC seem to be unwilling to ask the pertinent questions, why is that?? have they been told to 'go away we've nothing to say to you'?, or do they have no 'reporters' who have the b@lls to keep on badgering the clubs officials for some answers and clarification? either way, they are a local paper/radio station with local readers/listeners and I really do think that we deserve better from them, I live in hope but expect nothing as neither seem to care a hoot. Also, the trust, sorry guys but you bang on about how you will provide a link between the club and it's supporters, but we have heard nothing from you either, have you even bothered to pester the new regime or not?, if you are indeed serious now could be the perfect time for you to prove that you do have some teeth and are not just full of talk and promises. If the Adver, BBC and trust can then come on here and tell us that the board will not talk to them or if indeed the club decide to tell them that they are not welcome, then we the lowly fans can draw our own conclusions from that and make our own feelings known very loudly and vocally between now and the end of the season. We fans have the ultimate veto and perhaps, if the season is over with regards to promotion and play offs then we should let the club know in no uncertain terms. Jed and co must be aware of the aggravation and distrust that they are causing by their continued silence, and surely they can't want that?, much better a fan base that buys into the plan/vision......... isn't it? themoonraker
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3:08pm Thu 11 Apr 13

TownGooner68 says...

Med Red wrote:
TownGooner68 wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote: Guys I know I have said a lot of nothing, but the one thing I will assure you all, it is not the intention of Jed and Boards to rip the club off per se, they are taking wages and getting a company car, but if they are working full time on the club why not, they are not looking to exit they do honestly want this to work. They have wanted to own a proper football club and they believe they will be successful. Thats where I probably disagree, the experience is lacking, the discipline at the club has gone, the commerciality that was bought with very experienced wealthy businessmen has also gone. The club has to be self sustained, more so than when AF and board was here, they had money to invest and cover losses, that has also gone, Kmac is a cheap option and could come good, but he does fit the bill of what we need next year if there is no promotion. We have over the last 18 months and in my oppinion 5 years under the AF consortium been a bit spoilt. We are now returning to more humble days, where the board dont tell us everything, not always a bad thing. Even in the days prior to the AF takeover and buyout we had the Wills family who put an extortionate money in, just to keep the club afloat, because they loved our club, they never received the credit deserved. the difference here is the board want to make it work, but if it doesn't it was good spend of a £1, whilst picking up a fair days pay and receiving some sale proceeds. But there is a real threat from the FL that the club will be demoted if they go into administration and not just one division.
I've also spoken to Steve Morrall directly and he said to me that STFC will be in non league football if we go into administration again - FACT I also shook his hand and said to him thank you to the board for saving our football club
Oh yeah, and what's your name... Mrs Murrall?
met him on 3 occasions - twice he approached myself and the tetbury reds in the legends lounge and once in the junior reds room - really nice bloke
[quote][p][bold]Med Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TownGooner68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: Guys I know I have said a lot of nothing, but the one thing I will assure you all, it is not the intention of Jed and Boards to rip the club off per se, they are taking wages and getting a company car, but if they are working full time on the club why not, they are not looking to exit they do honestly want this to work. They have wanted to own a proper football club and they believe they will be successful. Thats where I probably disagree, the experience is lacking, the discipline at the club has gone, the commerciality that was bought with very experienced wealthy businessmen has also gone. The club has to be self sustained, more so than when AF and board was here, they had money to invest and cover losses, that has also gone, Kmac is a cheap option and could come good, but he does fit the bill of what we need next year if there is no promotion. We have over the last 18 months and in my oppinion 5 years under the AF consortium been a bit spoilt. We are now returning to more humble days, where the board dont tell us everything, not always a bad thing. Even in the days prior to the AF takeover and buyout we had the Wills family who put an extortionate money in, just to keep the club afloat, because they loved our club, they never received the credit deserved. the difference here is the board want to make it work, but if it doesn't it was good spend of a £1, whilst picking up a fair days pay and receiving some sale proceeds. But there is a real threat from the FL that the club will be demoted if they go into administration and not just one division.[/p][/quote]I've also spoken to Steve Morrall directly and he said to me that STFC will be in non league football if we go into administration again - FACT I also shook his hand and said to him thank you to the board for saving our football club[/p][/quote]Oh yeah, and what's your name... Mrs Murrall?[/p][/quote]met him on 3 occasions - twice he approached myself and the tetbury reds in the legends lounge and once in the junior reds room - really nice bloke TownGooner68
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3:12pm Thu 11 Apr 13

TownGooner68 says...

Why are a lot of Town Fans so depressing? probably the reason why their is no atmosphere at the CG at home games bar half the town end.
A lot of the moaning should be channelled to match days and getting behind the team.
Why are a lot of Town Fans so depressing? probably the reason why their is no atmosphere at the CG at home games bar half the town end. A lot of the moaning should be channelled to match days and getting behind the team. TownGooner68
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3:25pm Thu 11 Apr 13

SimonPrice351 says...

The new board have no money, so people say, so why are they in charge of a League 1 club?

It's not as if they are in charge of one of the local Western/Hellenic clubs where the owners not having a fortune isn't a problem.
The new board have no money, so people say, so why are they in charge of a League 1 club? It's not as if they are in charge of one of the local Western/Hellenic clubs where the owners not having a fortune isn't a problem. SimonPrice351
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3:30pm Thu 11 Apr 13

RED-MERLIN says...

the wizard wrote:
M.way666@btinternet.

com
wrote:
Bring back Danny Wilson can't be as bad as the idiot we got trying to run it now surely
As John McEnroe was quoted as saying,



-"You cannot be serious"
Nurse !! someones escaped again
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.way666@btinternet. com[/bold] wrote: Bring back Danny Wilson can't be as bad as the idiot we got trying to run it now surely[/p][/quote]As John McEnroe was quoted as saying, -"You cannot be serious"[/p][/quote]Nurse !! someones escaped again RED-MERLIN
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3:44pm Thu 11 Apr 13

DBTSTFC says...

tally38 wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive
I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games.
Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?)
Top post had a chuckle
Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!!
Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!!

People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them...

Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
HERE HERE
I have got eyes, and obviously more of a brain than you.
I can see there is more to gain in being optamistic than siting complaining about thing you have no control over.
It bad enough you lash ot at the players in the team you are suposed to suport but you obviously feel the need to have a dig at your fellow supporters.
Not annoyed by you pointless coment I feel sorry for you. Must be depressing living in your world.

Any way id rather get be hind the boys regardless of whats going on with manager an board COYR
[quote][p][bold]tally38[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]HERE HERE[/p][/quote]I have got eyes, and obviously more of a brain than you. I can see there is more to gain in being optamistic than siting complaining about thing you have no control over. It bad enough you lash ot at the players in the team you are suposed to suport but you obviously feel the need to have a dig at your fellow supporters. Not annoyed by you pointless coment I feel sorry for you. Must be depressing living in your world. Any way id rather get be hind the boys regardless of whats going on with manager an board COYR DBTSTFC
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3:47pm Thu 11 Apr 13

smirg kcab says...

We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive
I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games.
Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?)
Top post had a chuckle
Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!!
Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!!

People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them...

Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
Oh look you have just given me abuse.
Ok for you tho?
Pot kettle comes to mind?
Some people just don't learn
See you in church Sunday
Hypocrite
[quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]Oh look you have just given me abuse. Ok for you tho? Pot kettle comes to mind? Some people just don't learn See you in church Sunday Hypocrite smirg kcab
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3:50pm Thu 11 Apr 13

smirg kcab says...

DBTSTFC wrote:
tally38 wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive
I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games.
Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?)
Top post had a chuckle
Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!!
Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!!

People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them...

Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
HERE HERE
I have got eyes, and obviously more of a brain than you.
I can see there is more to gain in being optamistic than siting complaining about thing you have no control over.
It bad enough you lash ot at the players in the team you are suposed to suport but you obviously feel the need to have a dig at your fellow supporters.
Not annoyed by you pointless coment I feel sorry for you. Must be depressing living in your world.

Any way id rather get be hind the boys regardless of whats going on with manager an board COYR
A brain with no hedgeyoucation
[quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tally38[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]HERE HERE[/p][/quote]I have got eyes, and obviously more of a brain than you. I can see there is more to gain in being optamistic than siting complaining about thing you have no control over. It bad enough you lash ot at the players in the team you are suposed to suport but you obviously feel the need to have a dig at your fellow supporters. Not annoyed by you pointless coment I feel sorry for you. Must be depressing living in your world. Any way id rather get be hind the boys regardless of whats going on with manager an board COYR[/p][/quote]A brain with no hedgeyoucation smirg kcab
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3:52pm Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

Nosuprises wrote:
hertz wrote:
Dear moaners . You may find this hard to believe but it is not unusual for owners , board members or directors of even quite a small business to actually have leased company cars these days , so it does'nt durprise me that our board has leased some cars even more so if you happen to give a company a nice big ad in your programs , you all want us to act and look like a professional unit so what would you prefer they turn up at FA meetings on a bike ? unbelievable
All joking aside with a name like "Hertz" are you sure your not looking to plug your rental business??
No-No he drives a Panzer. lol
[quote][p][bold]Nosuprises[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Dear moaners . You may find this hard to believe but it is not unusual for owners , board members or directors of even quite a small business to actually have leased company cars these days , so it does'nt durprise me that our board has leased some cars even more so if you happen to give a company a nice big ad in your programs , you all want us to act and look like a professional unit so what would you prefer they turn up at FA meetings on a bike ? unbelievable[/p][/quote]All joking aside with a name like "Hertz" are you sure your not looking to plug your rental business??[/p][/quote]No-No he drives a Panzer. lol the wizard
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3:52pm Thu 11 Apr 13

DBTSTFC says...

smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote:
tally38 wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive
I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games.
Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?)
Top post had a chuckle
Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!!
Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!!

People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them...

Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
HERE HERE
I have got eyes, and obviously more of a brain than you.
I can see there is more to gain in being optamistic than siting complaining about thing you have no control over.
It bad enough you lash ot at the players in the team you are suposed to suport but you obviously feel the need to have a dig at your fellow supporters.
Not annoyed by you pointless coment I feel sorry for you. Must be depressing living in your world.

Any way id rather get be hind the boys regardless of whats going on with manager an board COYR
A brain with no hedgeyoucation
Wow good reply
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tally38[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]HERE HERE[/p][/quote]I have got eyes, and obviously more of a brain than you. I can see there is more to gain in being optamistic than siting complaining about thing you have no control over. It bad enough you lash ot at the players in the team you are suposed to suport but you obviously feel the need to have a dig at your fellow supporters. Not annoyed by you pointless coment I feel sorry for you. Must be depressing living in your world. Any way id rather get be hind the boys regardless of whats going on with manager an board COYR[/p][/quote]A brain with no hedgeyoucation[/p][/quote]Wow good reply DBTSTFC
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3:55pm Thu 11 Apr 13

old town robin says...

hertz wrote:
Dear moaners . You may find this hard to believe but it is not unusual for owners , board members or directors of even quite a small business to actually have leased company cars these days , so it does'nt durprise me that our board has leased some cars even more so if you happen to give a company a nice big ad in your programs , you all want us to act and look like a professional unit so what would you prefer they turn up at FA meetings on a bike ? unbelievable
Hertz, Your point that directors of companies do have leased cars is valid, especially if they are expected to do high milage, but the fact JM already has a nice Bentley beggers the question why does he also need to have a Merc as well, especially given the fact for 2 months we had no money other than what B'muff gave us for Ritchie so why now does he spend the investment or loan on cars rather than using the money for the reasons required by the FL and re-investing in the club priorities. There are many cases of Directors that have bankrupted small businesses by paying themselves too much and maintaining a high life style. It's called living beyond ones means. If or when Ferry leaves in the summer just bare that in mind when they let it be known they couldn't afford his high wages.

I think it is the comparison between the old and the new board that gets peoples backs up. As far as I'm aware the old board injected money into the club, never drew salaries from STFC or gave themselve cars to drive around in. The new board have put £1 into the club and all they have done to date is take, take take without caring one iota where the money comes from to support themselves in the style that most fans could only dream about. At the end of the day hertz there are over 7k of us that have put more money into the club than they have and most of us ask nothing more than we have a club to support.

They are NOT football fans as they claim to be, they are shrewd business people that know how to make money for themselves and until I see some openess from them to say otherwise I have no reason to have any other opinions of who or what they are and where I believe they are taking our club.
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Dear moaners . You may find this hard to believe but it is not unusual for owners , board members or directors of even quite a small business to actually have leased company cars these days , so it does'nt durprise me that our board has leased some cars even more so if you happen to give a company a nice big ad in your programs , you all want us to act and look like a professional unit so what would you prefer they turn up at FA meetings on a bike ? unbelievable[/p][/quote]Hertz, Your point that directors of companies do have leased cars is valid, especially if they are expected to do high milage, but the fact JM already has a nice Bentley beggers the question why does he also need to have a Merc as well, especially given the fact for 2 months we had no money other than what B'muff gave us for Ritchie so why now does he spend the investment or loan on cars rather than using the money for the reasons required by the FL and re-investing in the club priorities. There are many cases of Directors that have bankrupted small businesses by paying themselves too much and maintaining a high life style. It's called living beyond ones means. If or when Ferry leaves in the summer just bare that in mind when they let it be known they couldn't afford his high wages. I think it is the comparison between the old and the new board that gets peoples backs up. As far as I'm aware the old board injected money into the club, never drew salaries from STFC or gave themselve cars to drive around in. The new board have put £1 into the club and all they have done to date is take, take take without caring one iota where the money comes from to support themselves in the style that most fans could only dream about. At the end of the day hertz there are over 7k of us that have put more money into the club than they have and most of us ask nothing more than we have a club to support. They are NOT football fans as they claim to be, they are shrewd business people that know how to make money for themselves and until I see some openess from them to say otherwise I have no reason to have any other opinions of who or what they are and where I believe they are taking our club. old town robin
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4:02pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Archive Robin says...

Hi All

On a seperate note it's great to see that the club have arranged a tribute game for Alan MacDonald with an auction as well. Just as a thought would'nt it be great if the supporters/supporter
s club/club could organize something for Andy Rowlands on the lines of maybe a collection/charity match or/and auction to help him while he is need of support. He was a great servant of this club over the years both as a player and coaching staff member and gave a lot of himself to the club and maybe it would be nice if people could "give back" to help him out at this time. Just a thought but I think it would be a nice gesture from all of us to Andy to show our appreciation of the service he gave to the supporters and club over the years.
Hi All On a seperate note it's great to see that the club have arranged a tribute game for Alan MacDonald with an auction as well. Just as a thought would'nt it be great if the supporters/supporter s club/club could organize something for Andy Rowlands on the lines of maybe a collection/charity match or/and auction to help him while he is need of support. He was a great servant of this club over the years both as a player and coaching staff member and gave a lot of himself to the club and maybe it would be nice if people could "give back" to help him out at this time. Just a thought but I think it would be a nice gesture from all of us to Andy to show our appreciation of the service he gave to the supporters and club over the years. Archive Robin
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4:12pm Thu 11 Apr 13

sp1dersw3b says...

the wizard wrote:
OK SAM AT THE ADVER.

With due respect, judging by the lack of confidence in the new board by the vast majority here and in the stands, can you please hold a poll on confidence the supporters have in the new board. You could do it simply yes or no, or do it by names, Jed, Muriel, Hall etc, or other issues. I think we must leave Kevin out of it.

That poll may spark a reaction and some explanations to the questions that are constantly raised here, and may save you the embarrassment of having to ask them. Structure the poll questions correctly and that may provoke the replies we want to hear. You could factor in questions about the board taking wages and the alleged supply of new cars. Thanks.
The poll results concerning KMac's team selection and whether the fans were 'happy' or not with it on Tuesday was interesting with a 50/50 split.

Before anyone starts shouting I realise the difference between 'team selection' and 'team formation'.

As Wiz suggests with the above the fans need to question the board and their intentions in more detail whilst at the same time IMO only allowing our manager more than only 8 games before deciding if he is up to the task or not.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: OK SAM AT THE ADVER. With due respect, judging by the lack of confidence in the new board by the vast majority here and in the stands, can you please hold a poll on confidence the supporters have in the new board. You could do it simply yes or no, or do it by names, Jed, Muriel, Hall etc, or other issues. I think we must leave Kevin out of it. That poll may spark a reaction and some explanations to the questions that are constantly raised here, and may save you the embarrassment of having to ask them. Structure the poll questions correctly and that may provoke the replies we want to hear. You could factor in questions about the board taking wages and the alleged supply of new cars. Thanks.[/p][/quote]The poll results concerning KMac's team selection and whether the fans were 'happy' or not with it on Tuesday was interesting with a 50/50 split. Before anyone starts shouting I realise the difference between 'team selection' and 'team formation'. As Wiz suggests with the above the fans need to question the board and their intentions in more detail whilst at the same time IMO only allowing our manager more than only 8 games before deciding if he is up to the task or not. sp1dersw3b
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4:17pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Di kanny oh says...

Excellent post old town robin and further more Jed Clampit and his Hill Billy's have had ample opportunity to come out and dispel many of the rumour's and fans concerns yet they choose to do their business in silence and this will always lead to conjecture and speculation and is a very damaging method to use. Hertz where is Jed then when he is needed to defend his manager from the tirade of abuse he's has been getting last few weeks at least Fitton came out and defended Malpas unlike old Clampit too scared to come in the press. Bunch of crooks on the take is my opinion and they will leave more than a car crash behind. Image my arrsse they should be on push bikes and setting an example in what they are trying to achieve in running the club on a budget not take take take,I will carry on moaning until Jed and his cronies are gone or grow some balls to face the fans full on.
Excellent post old town robin and further more Jed Clampit and his Hill Billy's have had ample opportunity to come out and dispel many of the rumour's and fans concerns yet they choose to do their business in silence and this will always lead to conjecture and speculation and is a very damaging method to use. Hertz where is Jed then when he is needed to defend his manager from the tirade of abuse he's has been getting last few weeks at least Fitton came out and defended Malpas unlike old Clampit too scared to come in the press. Bunch of crooks on the take is my opinion and they will leave more than a car crash behind. Image my arrsse they should be on push bikes and setting an example in what they are trying to achieve in running the club on a budget not take take take,I will carry on moaning until Jed and his cronies are gone or grow some balls to face the fans full on. Di kanny oh
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4:17pm Thu 11 Apr 13

ScottLeitch says...

sp1dersw3b wrote:
the wizard wrote:
OK SAM AT THE ADVER.

With due respect, judging by the lack of confidence in the new board by the vast majority here and in the stands, can you please hold a poll on confidence the supporters have in the new board. You could do it simply yes or no, or do it by names, Jed, Muriel, Hall etc, or other issues. I think we must leave Kevin out of it.

That poll may spark a reaction and some explanations to the questions that are constantly raised here, and may save you the embarrassment of having to ask them. Structure the poll questions correctly and that may provoke the replies we want to hear. You could factor in questions about the board taking wages and the alleged supply of new cars. Thanks.
The poll results concerning KMac's team selection and whether the fans were 'happy' or not with it on Tuesday was interesting with a 50/50 split.

Before anyone starts shouting I realise the difference between 'team selection' and 'team formation'.

As Wiz suggests with the above the fans need to question the board and their intentions in more detail whilst at the same time IMO only allowing our manager more than only 8 games before deciding if he is up to the task or not.
His attitude is completely wrong for me personally. I'm sure he's a nice guy but there's no charisma or drive about him nothing that says to me that he's a leader. Some people are just not made for management and sadly I think he's in that category. He has also shown on a few occasions that he is incapable of making proactive decisions and waits until its too late to change our approach, this has cost us valuable points.
[quote][p][bold]sp1dersw3b[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: OK SAM AT THE ADVER. With due respect, judging by the lack of confidence in the new board by the vast majority here and in the stands, can you please hold a poll on confidence the supporters have in the new board. You could do it simply yes or no, or do it by names, Jed, Muriel, Hall etc, or other issues. I think we must leave Kevin out of it. That poll may spark a reaction and some explanations to the questions that are constantly raised here, and may save you the embarrassment of having to ask them. Structure the poll questions correctly and that may provoke the replies we want to hear. You could factor in questions about the board taking wages and the alleged supply of new cars. Thanks.[/p][/quote]The poll results concerning KMac's team selection and whether the fans were 'happy' or not with it on Tuesday was interesting with a 50/50 split. Before anyone starts shouting I realise the difference between 'team selection' and 'team formation'. As Wiz suggests with the above the fans need to question the board and their intentions in more detail whilst at the same time IMO only allowing our manager more than only 8 games before deciding if he is up to the task or not.[/p][/quote]His attitude is completely wrong for me personally. I'm sure he's a nice guy but there's no charisma or drive about him nothing that says to me that he's a leader. Some people are just not made for management and sadly I think he's in that category. He has also shown on a few occasions that he is incapable of making proactive decisions and waits until its too late to change our approach, this has cost us valuable points. ScottLeitch
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4:19pm Thu 11 Apr 13

sagadude says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
sagadude wrote:
M.way666@btinternet. com wrote: All the hard work of the season as been thrown away can't see us even being up that far next season
All the hard work of the season (AT A HUGE FINANCIAL COST GETTING US CLOSE TO ADMINISTRATION) has been thrown away (AND REPLACED WITH A REALISTIC SPENDING PLAN ALBEIT WILL NOT GIVE US PROMOTION, BUT AT LEAST THE CLUB KNOWN AS STFC IS STILL HERE!) can't see us even being up that far next season - NO I CANNOT EITHER. But it is all better than the Black/PDC reign that would surely have ruined the club anyway. Maxed out on their credit card!
What is that realistic spending plan then, its more of a loss management plan than a spending plan...
Probably YES.

Just because a consortium buys a club, it is not mandatory that they must have lots of money to invest on players.

Maybe what everybody is saying is true, they are building on youth, and building on the future even if we slip back down into the Div 2.

This is all better than being in a Portsmouth position or a Bury position.

Why the hell is everybody so impatient to gain promotion to the Championship. We are clearly not financially ready as a small club in this UK recession to achieve that.

However one still has to explain why Yeovil has made profit this year and are in play-off position?. Obviously better financial management and patience instead of the Black/PDC overspend near administration approach.

Its a NO BRAINER!
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.way666@btinternet. com[/bold] wrote: All the hard work of the season as been thrown away can't see us even being up that far next season[/p][/quote]All the hard work of the season (AT A HUGE FINANCIAL COST GETTING US CLOSE TO ADMINISTRATION) has been thrown away (AND REPLACED WITH A REALISTIC SPENDING PLAN ALBEIT WILL NOT GIVE US PROMOTION, BUT AT LEAST THE CLUB KNOWN AS STFC IS STILL HERE!) can't see us even being up that far next season - NO I CANNOT EITHER. But it is all better than the Black/PDC reign that would surely have ruined the club anyway. Maxed out on their credit card![/p][/quote]What is that realistic spending plan then, its more of a loss management plan than a spending plan...[/p][/quote]Probably YES. Just because a consortium buys a club, it is not mandatory that they must have lots of money to invest on players. Maybe what everybody is saying is true, they are building on youth, and building on the future even if we slip back down into the Div 2. This is all better than being in a Portsmouth position or a Bury position. Why the hell is everybody so impatient to gain promotion to the Championship. We are clearly not financially ready as a small club in this UK recession to achieve that. However one still has to explain why Yeovil has made profit this year and are in play-off position?. Obviously better financial management and patience instead of the Black/PDC overspend near administration approach. Its a NO BRAINER! sagadude
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4:21pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Swindon1984 says...

DBTSTFC wrote:
tally38 wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
HERE HERE
I have got eyes, and obviously more of a brain than you. I can see there is more to gain in being optamistic than siting complaining about thing you have no control over. It bad enough you lash ot at the players in the team you are suposed to suport but you obviously feel the need to have a dig at your fellow supporters. Not annoyed by you pointless coment I feel sorry for you. Must be depressing living in your world. Any way id rather get be hind the boys regardless of whats going on with manager an board COYR
Good points made. There's having a civilised chat about football and then there's whinging and berating people for the sake of it - think we know which camp people on here fit into one way or the other.
[quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tally38[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]HERE HERE[/p][/quote]I have got eyes, and obviously more of a brain than you. I can see there is more to gain in being optamistic than siting complaining about thing you have no control over. It bad enough you lash ot at the players in the team you are suposed to suport but you obviously feel the need to have a dig at your fellow supporters. Not annoyed by you pointless coment I feel sorry for you. Must be depressing living in your world. Any way id rather get be hind the boys regardless of whats going on with manager an board COYR[/p][/quote]Good points made. There's having a civilised chat about football and then there's whinging and berating people for the sake of it - think we know which camp people on here fit into one way or the other. Swindon1984
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4:39pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Di kanny oh says...

themoonraker wrote:
does anybody actually have any idea about what is really going on at STFC?
Both the Adver and BBC seem to be unwilling to ask the pertinent questions, why is that?? have they been told to 'go away we've nothing to say to you'?, or do they have no 'reporters' who have the b@lls to keep on badgering the clubs officials for some answers and clarification?
either way, they are a local paper/radio station with local readers/listeners and I really do think that we deserve better from them, I live in hope but expect nothing as neither seem to care a hoot.
Also, the trust, sorry guys but you bang on about how you will provide a link between the club and it's supporters, but we have heard nothing from you either, have you even bothered to pester the new regime or not?, if you are indeed serious now could be the perfect time for you to prove that you do have some teeth and are not just full of talk and promises.
If the Adver, BBC and trust can then come on here and tell us that the board will not talk to them or if indeed the club decide to tell them that they are not welcome, then we the lowly fans can draw our own conclusions from that and make our own feelings known very loudly and vocally between now and the end of the season.
We fans have the ultimate veto and perhaps, if the season is over with regards to promotion and play offs then we should let the club know in no uncertain terms.
Jed and co must be aware of the aggravation and distrust that they are causing by their continued silence, and surely they can't want that?, much better a fan base that buys into the plan/vision.........

isn't it?
Nail on the head there moonraker this silence is deafening as well as damaging and all the work done by the last board to build back up a core of fans can quite easily be undone which at present it is. It can take years to get fans on back on board but just a few weeks to lose them. At the end of the day the board will tell the fans what they want to hear when meeting them face to face as verbals can always be denied but coming out in the press is another matter as they are then talking to thousands and do not want us to know their real intentions hey Jed. If Jed Clampit and his Hill Billy's had nothing to hide they would have gone to the media months ago. Cheltenham chairman got it right as did Luton and I do believe the old barge pole was mentioned. Nothing to hide Jed well lets AV IT THEN..
[quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: does anybody actually have any idea about what is really going on at STFC? Both the Adver and BBC seem to be unwilling to ask the pertinent questions, why is that?? have they been told to 'go away we've nothing to say to you'?, or do they have no 'reporters' who have the b@lls to keep on badgering the clubs officials for some answers and clarification? either way, they are a local paper/radio station with local readers/listeners and I really do think that we deserve better from them, I live in hope but expect nothing as neither seem to care a hoot. Also, the trust, sorry guys but you bang on about how you will provide a link between the club and it's supporters, but we have heard nothing from you either, have you even bothered to pester the new regime or not?, if you are indeed serious now could be the perfect time for you to prove that you do have some teeth and are not just full of talk and promises. If the Adver, BBC and trust can then come on here and tell us that the board will not talk to them or if indeed the club decide to tell them that they are not welcome, then we the lowly fans can draw our own conclusions from that and make our own feelings known very loudly and vocally between now and the end of the season. We fans have the ultimate veto and perhaps, if the season is over with regards to promotion and play offs then we should let the club know in no uncertain terms. Jed and co must be aware of the aggravation and distrust that they are causing by their continued silence, and surely they can't want that?, much better a fan base that buys into the plan/vision......... isn't it?[/p][/quote]Nail on the head there moonraker this silence is deafening as well as damaging and all the work done by the last board to build back up a core of fans can quite easily be undone which at present it is. It can take years to get fans on back on board but just a few weeks to lose them. At the end of the day the board will tell the fans what they want to hear when meeting them face to face as verbals can always be denied but coming out in the press is another matter as they are then talking to thousands and do not want us to know their real intentions hey Jed. If Jed Clampit and his Hill Billy's had nothing to hide they would have gone to the media months ago. Cheltenham chairman got it right as did Luton and I do believe the old barge pole was mentioned. Nothing to hide Jed well lets AV IT THEN.. Di kanny oh
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4:45pm Thu 11 Apr 13

We are PANTS says...

smirg kcab wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
Oh look you have just given me abuse. Ok for you tho? Pot kettle comes to mind? Some people just don't learn See you in church Sunday Hypocrite
I shall here forth refer to you as Victor Meldrew until such time (Eternity) as you can stop moaning and name calling!!

Cheers Vic, see you in da Church……
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]Oh look you have just given me abuse. Ok for you tho? Pot kettle comes to mind? Some people just don't learn See you in church Sunday Hypocrite[/p][/quote]I shall here forth refer to you as Victor Meldrew until such time (Eternity) as you can stop moaning and name calling!! Cheers Vic, see you in da Church…… We are PANTS
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4:52pm Thu 11 Apr 13

smirg kcab says...

People spouting on about the board.
They are here to make money as all business people do.
If you don't like it or them don't drip feed money to them through buying season tickets.
I'm not mines in the bin.
You only save £4 a game,
They will be giving tickets away for £10 £12 or £14 when we are at the bottom next season, plus you may miss a couple due to holidays or other commitments
Just a thought
People spouting on about the board. They are here to make money as all business people do. If you don't like it or them don't drip feed money to them through buying season tickets. I'm not mines in the bin. You only save £4 a game, They will be giving tickets away for £10 £12 or £14 when we are at the bottom next season, plus you may miss a couple due to holidays or other commitments Just a thought smirg kcab
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4:55pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Okus Road says...

stfclondon wrote:
I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage.

Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year.

As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t.

For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts.

The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet.

Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.
There are lots of posters having a go at some of our players being on the beer, not trying, not bothered about the club or fans. How true I don't know.

If that is the case I would rather have KMac blood some youngsters who want to play for the team and will give 100% effort.
I am actually looking forward to next season whatever league we are playing in.
Too many people have forgotten we were only promoted last season so promotion this season would be a massive achievement.
[quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: I'll be glad to see the back of this season. Considering all the upheaval and disruption we've had to endure with embargoes, the protracted takeover, the manager walking out, the sale of our talisman, it's remarkable really that we're still in the play-off places (just!) at this late stage. Look at Tranmere, they were top for most of the season but have now fallen away completely, and they've had none of the trouble we have. Let's be realistic, back-to-back promotions would have been a fantastic achievement but we had no right to expect it, and even less so after all that’s happened this year. As for MacDonald, after a strong start at Coventry (my favourite away day in years) he hasn't exactly set the world alight, but he's only 8 games into the job so talk of sacking him is premature and unfair. He's working with largely the same players that Di Canio deemed to be not good enough, but he hasn't had any opportunity to put his own mark on the team yet. There's clearly going to be a major rebuilding exercise over the summer, so let's see what he's made of next season before passing judgment. Also, unless anyone knows exactly how much is in his pay packet, we can do without all the snide comments about him being the cheap option. Would you rather the club chucked a load of money at someone like Phil Brown? I certainly wouldn’t. For next season, if we are going to concentrate on developing youth then I see that as a positive thing – surely we’ve had enough over-the-hill journeymen and mercenaries in recent years? We already have good young players established in the first team - Foderingham, N.Thompson, Storey, Collins - as well as others coming through like L.Thompson, Bedwell, Oakley and Ferguson. If MacDonald’s expertise is in developing those types of players then I’m all for it, and would be more excited watching them than the likes of Miller, Navarro and Roberts. The jury is still out on the new Board too. There's talk of them paying themselves big salaries and buying flash motors, but as far as I'm concerned until there's any proof it's nothing but unsubstantiated rumour and speculation posted by anonymous people on the internet. Apologies for the long essay but all I see is doom and gloom on here at the moment, so I thought I'd provide some balance. Yes, this season looks like it’s going to end in disappointment after looking so good a few months ago but, as we know from bitter experience, it could be a lot, lot worse.[/p][/quote]There are lots of posters having a go at some of our players being on the beer, not trying, not bothered about the club or fans. How true I don't know. If that is the case I would rather have KMac blood some youngsters who want to play for the team and will give 100% effort. I am actually looking forward to next season whatever league we are playing in. Too many people have forgotten we were only promoted last season so promotion this season would be a massive achievement. Okus Road
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5:00pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Wilesy says...

the wizard wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
old town robin wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
old town robin wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
He was sold by Black.
Did you actually read my comment? I said Matt was sold by Black but as you are so well informed you will remember he originally said he didn't agree to sell him at the first time of asking, it was only when he became aware the new lot didn't have a pot to p11s in. He was then forced to sell Matt to fund them or keep the club until the summer or worse scenario put us into admin. The point I tried to make is none of those options would have been needed if the new lot were genuine bonafide business men with funds of their own and had been able to make an immediate cash injection. Say what you want about Black, I think his hand was forced by the new lot, fund us or we walk away. Patey did a lousy job finding a buyer if this lot was the best he could come up with. More drama than Dallas and guess who's playing the role of JR. I'm still waiting to hear from the board what Seebeck 87 is all about, are they consultants, developers, financial house, I don't know other than as of 1st Feb they had £0 funds, Other questions I have is the mystery investor(s) a bank, loan company, was the £1.2m paid into Seebeck or club equity, will we be paying interest on a loan, if so how much and for how long. It's time this board came clean and make us all aware if their intentions are genuine or do we have to make our own assumptions they're here to get out of the club whatever they can until the cupboard is bare. Football fan are they, well haven't seen too much from them in that department as yet.
Superb post OTR. I'm clinging to the dream that somehow some day the Fitton consortium will return and restore some faith and dignity. You never know, Andrew Black might even relish the possibility of owning a football club where a gun is not constantly held to his head.
Den why would you want Black back? Surely we would run the risk of him pulling the plug at any time for no given reason and putting us in administration? I'm not sure I now associate the former regime with faith and dignity after the weak and naive management of various situations. OTR was Black's hand forced into the two week sale? Was there no way he could handled that better? That wasn't the new owners fault as they weren't in charge and wouldn't have physically got the money together until they were. Not defending the McCrory group I'm as sceptical as anyone but the decision to sell Ritchie wasn't their's to make. I do question the Patey role though, Patey had several months to do this and should have done better. Not sure what he was actually doing to justify his wage.
Patey was there to wind up PDC towards the door, "Talk to the hand PDC because the head is no longer listening" That is what all that was about, PDC and Spencer vs experienced politician. I didn't like the Patey man, but he won the contest, p155ed PDC off through discrete manoeuvres behind the scenes, hints, nods maybe even whispers about Paolo this+that, oh by the way did you know........, and that is why he was brought in, plus the fact he blocked all approaches to Black for more funding, as the last three loans never happened due to reasons various, that is why Not so Matey Patey was brought in. Nasty piece of work, but that is what these guys are, nothing in politics is clear cut or nice.
Not sure he was unpleasant Wiz, but not sure he did anything! What did he do in his time here other than bring in Jed and 2 radio interviews in 3 months.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]He was sold by Black.[/p][/quote]Did you actually read my comment? I said Matt was sold by Black but as you are so well informed you will remember he originally said he didn't agree to sell him at the first time of asking, it was only when he became aware the new lot didn't have a pot to p11s in. He was then forced to sell Matt to fund them or keep the club until the summer or worse scenario put us into admin. The point I tried to make is none of those options would have been needed if the new lot were genuine bonafide business men with funds of their own and had been able to make an immediate cash injection. Say what you want about Black, I think his hand was forced by the new lot, fund us or we walk away. Patey did a lousy job finding a buyer if this lot was the best he could come up with. More drama than Dallas and guess who's playing the role of JR. I'm still waiting to hear from the board what Seebeck 87 is all about, are they consultants, developers, financial house, I don't know other than as of 1st Feb they had £0 funds, Other questions I have is the mystery investor(s) a bank, loan company, was the £1.2m paid into Seebeck or club equity, will we be paying interest on a loan, if so how much and for how long. It's time this board came clean and make us all aware if their intentions are genuine or do we have to make our own assumptions they're here to get out of the club whatever they can until the cupboard is bare. Football fan are they, well haven't seen too much from them in that department as yet.[/p][/quote]Superb post OTR. I'm clinging to the dream that somehow some day the Fitton consortium will return and restore some faith and dignity. You never know, Andrew Black might even relish the possibility of owning a football club where a gun is not constantly held to his head.[/p][/quote]Den why would you want Black back? Surely we would run the risk of him pulling the plug at any time for no given reason and putting us in administration? I'm not sure I now associate the former regime with faith and dignity after the weak and naive management of various situations. OTR was Black's hand forced into the two week sale? Was there no way he could handled that better? That wasn't the new owners fault as they weren't in charge and wouldn't have physically got the money together until they were. Not defending the McCrory group I'm as sceptical as anyone but the decision to sell Ritchie wasn't their's to make. I do question the Patey role though, Patey had several months to do this and should have done better. Not sure what he was actually doing to justify his wage.[/p][/quote]Patey was there to wind up PDC towards the door, "Talk to the hand PDC because the head is no longer listening" That is what all that was about, PDC and Spencer vs experienced politician. I didn't like the Patey man, but he won the contest, p155ed PDC off through discrete manoeuvres behind the scenes, hints, nods maybe even whispers about Paolo this+that, oh by the way did you know........, and that is why he was brought in, plus the fact he blocked all approaches to Black for more funding, as the last three loans never happened due to reasons various, that is why Not so Matey Patey was brought in. Nasty piece of work, but that is what these guys are, nothing in politics is clear cut or nice.[/p][/quote]Not sure he was unpleasant Wiz, but not sure he did anything! What did he do in his time here other than bring in Jed and 2 radio interviews in 3 months. Wilesy
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5:10pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Chish and Fips says...

smirg kcab wrote:
People spouting on about the board.
They are here to make money as all business people do.
If you don't like it or them don't drip feed money to them through buying season tickets.
I'm not mines in the bin.
You only save £4 a game,
They will be giving tickets away for £10 £12 or £14 when we are at the bottom next season, plus you may miss a couple due to holidays or other commitments
Just a thought
I don't beeeeeelieve it ....Victor. :0)
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: People spouting on about the board. They are here to make money as all business people do. If you don't like it or them don't drip feed money to them through buying season tickets. I'm not mines in the bin. You only save £4 a game, They will be giving tickets away for £10 £12 or £14 when we are at the bottom next season, plus you may miss a couple due to holidays or other commitments Just a thought[/p][/quote]I don't beeeeeelieve it ....Victor. :0) Chish and Fips
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5:15pm Thu 11 Apr 13

sp1dersw3b says...

ScottLeitch wrote:
sp1dersw3b wrote:
the wizard wrote:
OK SAM AT THE ADVER.

With due respect, judging by the lack of confidence in the new board by the vast majority here and in the stands, can you please hold a poll on confidence the supporters have in the new board. You could do it simply yes or no, or do it by names, Jed, Muriel, Hall etc, or other issues. I think we must leave Kevin out of it.

That poll may spark a reaction and some explanations to the questions that are constantly raised here, and may save you the embarrassment of having to ask them. Structure the poll questions correctly and that may provoke the replies we want to hear. You could factor in questions about the board taking wages and the alleged supply of new cars. Thanks.
The poll results concerning KMac's team selection and whether the fans were 'happy' or not with it on Tuesday was interesting with a 50/50 split.

Before anyone starts shouting I realise the difference between 'team selection' and 'team formation'.

As Wiz suggests with the above the fans need to question the board and their intentions in more detail whilst at the same time IMO only allowing our manager more than only 8 games before deciding if he is up to the task or not.
His attitude is completely wrong for me personally. I'm sure he's a nice guy but there's no charisma or drive about him nothing that says to me that he's a leader. Some people are just not made for management and sadly I think he's in that category. He has also shown on a few occasions that he is incapable of making proactive decisions and waits until its too late to change our approach, this has cost us valuable points.
ScottLeitch - I don't necessarily disagree with you and some of your comments although I still maintain this final judgement call being made by some on here is far too early to make on KMac.

Having two losses on the bounce is also something very difficult to stomach especially with the next tough fixture to face.

KMac is new to the role, has tremendous references and contacts within the game and if given time, could be able to build a successful team of his own - let's please put to one side for a moment formations and playing personnel.

My point is who hired him?

Jed and his mates - the people that the unhappy fans should be questioning, not KMac.
[quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sp1dersw3b[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: OK SAM AT THE ADVER. With due respect, judging by the lack of confidence in the new board by the vast majority here and in the stands, can you please hold a poll on confidence the supporters have in the new board. You could do it simply yes or no, or do it by names, Jed, Muriel, Hall etc, or other issues. I think we must leave Kevin out of it. That poll may spark a reaction and some explanations to the questions that are constantly raised here, and may save you the embarrassment of having to ask them. Structure the poll questions correctly and that may provoke the replies we want to hear. You could factor in questions about the board taking wages and the alleged supply of new cars. Thanks.[/p][/quote]The poll results concerning KMac's team selection and whether the fans were 'happy' or not with it on Tuesday was interesting with a 50/50 split. Before anyone starts shouting I realise the difference between 'team selection' and 'team formation'. As Wiz suggests with the above the fans need to question the board and their intentions in more detail whilst at the same time IMO only allowing our manager more than only 8 games before deciding if he is up to the task or not.[/p][/quote]His attitude is completely wrong for me personally. I'm sure he's a nice guy but there's no charisma or drive about him nothing that says to me that he's a leader. Some people are just not made for management and sadly I think he's in that category. He has also shown on a few occasions that he is incapable of making proactive decisions and waits until its too late to change our approach, this has cost us valuable points.[/p][/quote]ScottLeitch - I don't necessarily disagree with you and some of your comments although I still maintain this final judgement call being made by some on here is far too early to make on KMac. Having two losses on the bounce is also something very difficult to stomach especially with the next tough fixture to face. KMac is new to the role, has tremendous references and contacts within the game and if given time, could be able to build a successful team of his own - let's please put to one side for a moment formations and playing personnel. My point is who hired him? Jed and his mates - the people that the unhappy fans should be questioning, not KMac. sp1dersw3b
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5:51pm Thu 11 Apr 13

DBTSTFC says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: People spouting on about the board. They are here to make money as all business people do. If you don't like it or them don't drip feed money to them through buying season tickets. I'm not mines in the bin. You only save £4 a game, They will be giving tickets away for £10 £12 or £14 when we are at the bottom next season, plus you may miss a couple due to holidays or other commitments Just a thought
I don't beeeeeelieve it ....Victor. :0)
lol
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: People spouting on about the board. They are here to make money as all business people do. If you don't like it or them don't drip feed money to them through buying season tickets. I'm not mines in the bin. You only save £4 a game, They will be giving tickets away for £10 £12 or £14 when we are at the bottom next season, plus you may miss a couple due to holidays or other commitments Just a thought[/p][/quote]I don't beeeeeelieve it ....Victor. :0)[/p][/quote]lol DBTSTFC
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5:56pm Thu 11 Apr 13

SirReg says...

I have mates who stopped supporting us in the diamandis era and never came back. It's long term damage being done by Jed's posse.
I have mates who stopped supporting us in the diamandis era and never came back. It's long term damage being done by Jed's posse. SirReg
  • Score: 0

6:40pm Thu 11 Apr 13

avo says...

We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
Well said, I was called a hypocrite yesterday for a throw away comment about passing off my sheff u tickets. (As if I really would!)
.
It's ok for him to throw abuse though, acceptable behaviour it seems
.
Jockster-I am as angry and frustrated as anyone at the moment, quite where you get the notion that my recent posts have been of the kissing the badge type I have no idea, as I have been fairly negative, yes negative of late, bemoaning tactics and player selection repeatedly. Obviously you have not read them! (suits me)
.
See you saturday Grim?
[quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]Well said, I was called a hypocrite yesterday for a throw away comment about passing off my sheff u tickets. (As if I really would!) . It's ok for him to throw abuse though, acceptable behaviour it seems . Jockster-I am as angry and frustrated as anyone at the moment, quite where you get the notion that my recent posts have been of the kissing the badge type I have no idea, as I have been fairly negative, yes negative of late, bemoaning tactics and player selection repeatedly. Obviously you have not read them! (suits me) . See you saturday Grim? avo
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7:33pm Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

RED-MERLIN wrote:
the wizard wrote:
M.way666@btinternet.


com
wrote:
Bring back Danny Wilson can't be as bad as the idiot we got trying to run it now surely
As John McEnroe was quoted as saying,



-"You cannot be serious"
Nurse !! someones escaped again
Hey merlin, Just get yer hair cut !
[quote][p][bold]RED-MERLIN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.way666@btinternet. com[/bold] wrote: Bring back Danny Wilson can't be as bad as the idiot we got trying to run it now surely[/p][/quote]As John McEnroe was quoted as saying, -"You cannot be serious"[/p][/quote]Nurse !! someones escaped again[/p][/quote]Hey merlin, Just get yer hair cut ! the wizard
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8:02pm Thu 11 Apr 13

smirg kcab says...

avo wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
Well said, I was called a hypocrite yesterday for a throw away comment about passing off my sheff u tickets. (As if I really would!)
.
It's ok for him to throw abuse though, acceptable behaviour it seems
.
Jockster-I am as angry and frustrated as anyone at the moment, quite where you get the notion that my recent posts have been of the kissing the badge type I have no idea, as I have been fairly negative, yes negative of late, bemoaning tactics and player selection repeatedly. Obviously you have not read them! (suits me)
.
See you saturday Grim?
Apology avo it was ment as tongue in cheek and missed the lol on the end.
Always liked your post in the past and will look forward to reading more.
The pressures getting to us all
Onwards and upwards
[quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]Well said, I was called a hypocrite yesterday for a throw away comment about passing off my sheff u tickets. (As if I really would!) . It's ok for him to throw abuse though, acceptable behaviour it seems . Jockster-I am as angry and frustrated as anyone at the moment, quite where you get the notion that my recent posts have been of the kissing the badge type I have no idea, as I have been fairly negative, yes negative of late, bemoaning tactics and player selection repeatedly. Obviously you have not read them! (suits me) . See you saturday Grim?[/p][/quote]Apology avo it was ment as tongue in cheek and missed the lol on the end. Always liked your post in the past and will look forward to reading more. The pressures getting to us all Onwards and upwards smirg kcab
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8:43pm Thu 11 Apr 13

The Jockster says...

tally38 wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive
I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games.
Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?)
Top post had a chuckle
Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!!
Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!!

People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them...

Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
HERE HERE
Tally and pants I'd sooner read Grims humorous largely tongue in cheek posts any day than some of the drivel and dross posted on here. If nothing else he wears his heart on his sleeve and tells it as he sees it. If you don't like don't read - simples eh?
[quote][p][bold]tally38[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]HERE HERE[/p][/quote]Tally and pants I'd sooner read Grims humorous largely tongue in cheek posts any day than some of the drivel and dross posted on here. If nothing else he wears his heart on his sleeve and tells it as he sees it. If you don't like don't read - simples eh? The Jockster
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8:52pm Thu 11 Apr 13

stfcdod says...

The Jockster wrote:
tally38 wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive
I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games.
Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?)
Top post had a chuckle
Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!!
Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!!

People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them...

Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
HERE HERE
Tally and pants I'd sooner read Grims humorous largely tongue in cheek posts any day than some of the drivel and dross posted on here. If nothing else he wears his heart on his sleeve and tells it as he sees it. If you don't like don't read - simples eh?
But one has no idea if one is going to like it or not, until one has read it.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tally38[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]HERE HERE[/p][/quote]Tally and pants I'd sooner read Grims humorous largely tongue in cheek posts any day than some of the drivel and dross posted on here. If nothing else he wears his heart on his sleeve and tells it as he sees it. If you don't like don't read - simples eh?[/p][/quote]But one has no idea if one is going to like it or not, until one has read it. stfcdod
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9:43pm Thu 11 Apr 13

subbuteoles says...

If members of the board are taking a wage, does this get included in the 65% we are allowed to use on outgoings?. Could someone enlighten me please.
If members of the board are taking a wage, does this get included in the 65% we are allowed to use on outgoings?. Could someone enlighten me please. subbuteoles
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9:49pm Thu 11 Apr 13

louiscassius says...

LeGod wrote:
if Caddis is sold dont forget Celtic get a % of the deal as well which was agreed at the time which i believe is 20%.
Oh and don't forget Jeds % that's 80% I believe......

Nice to have a chairman you can trust.....

Make someone happy...

Pick up the phone.....
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: if Caddis is sold dont forget Celtic get a % of the deal as well which was agreed at the time which i believe is 20%.[/p][/quote]Oh and don't forget Jeds % that's 80% I believe...... Nice to have a chairman you can trust..... Make someone happy... Pick up the phone..... louiscassius
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10:34pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Oi Den! says...

subbuteoles wrote:
If members of the board are taking a wage, does this get included in the 65% we are allowed to use on outgoings?. Could someone enlighten me please.
No - it's player costs only. That includes transfer fees, wages, health insurance and anything else paid by the club relating to players.
[quote][p][bold]subbuteoles[/bold] wrote: If members of the board are taking a wage, does this get included in the 65% we are allowed to use on outgoings?. Could someone enlighten me please.[/p][/quote]No - it's player costs only. That includes transfer fees, wages, health insurance and anything else paid by the club relating to players. Oi Den!
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10:37pm Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

Anybody wanna lease a Merc, ?????, then look no further,

for the real price of a ban-the-bomb badge on yer motor,


look no further,

http://leaseamercede
sbenz1-px.rtrk.co.uk
/?utm_source=Google&
utm_medium=CPC&utm_c
ampaign=LookersMerce
desBenzLeasing
Anybody wanna lease a Merc, ?????, then look no further, for the real price of a ban-the-bomb badge on yer motor, look no further, http://leaseamercede sbenz1-px.rtrk.co.uk /?utm_source=Google& utm_medium=CPC&utm_c ampaign=LookersMerce desBenzLeasing the wizard
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10:42pm Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

On the subject of motors, I am totally amazed that nobody has picked up on the fact that most if not all the players have VW-Audi Group transport, perhaps a bit of sponsorship there somewhere ????? I dunno.
On the subject of motors, I am totally amazed that nobody has picked up on the fact that most if not all the players have VW-Audi Group transport, perhaps a bit of sponsorship there somewhere ????? I dunno. the wizard
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10:47pm Thu 11 Apr 13

The Jockster says...

stfcdod wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
tally38 wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive
I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games.
Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?)
Top post had a chuckle
Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!!
Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!!

People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them...

Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
HERE HERE
Tally and pants I'd sooner read Grims humorous largely tongue in cheek posts any day than some of the drivel and dross posted on here. If nothing else he wears his heart on his sleeve and tells it as he sees it. If you don't like don't read - simples eh?
But one has no idea if one is going to like it or not, until one has read it.
But then if one doesn't like it then one doesn't need to respond surely?

Avo that's the trouble with the written weird - you base a statement saying you had 4 Sheffield u tickets for sake- why wouldn't anyone not take you seriously at your written word.
And I have read your recent comments just not felt the need to respond although I recall agreeing with one of your recent posts then I saw your tickets for sale post which like I've said " how are we supposed to know your joking.
As Grim said we were looking forwards to positive progression which has gone to rat sh!t so everyone is raw. The trip to Sheffield for me is something of an anti climax now because it all seems meaningless.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tally38[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]HERE HERE[/p][/quote]Tally and pants I'd sooner read Grims humorous largely tongue in cheek posts any day than some of the drivel and dross posted on here. If nothing else he wears his heart on his sleeve and tells it as he sees it. If you don't like don't read - simples eh?[/p][/quote]But one has no idea if one is going to like it or not, until one has read it.[/p][/quote]But then if one doesn't like it then one doesn't need to respond surely? Avo that's the trouble with the written weird - you base a statement saying you had 4 Sheffield u tickets for sake- why wouldn't anyone not take you seriously at your written word. And I have read your recent comments just not felt the need to respond although I recall agreeing with one of your recent posts then I saw your tickets for sale post which like I've said " how are we supposed to know your joking. As Grim said we were looking forwards to positive progression which has gone to rat sh!t so everyone is raw. The trip to Sheffield for me is something of an anti climax now because it all seems meaningless. The Jockster
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10:48pm Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

Now then, this is a real Merc when they made proper cars, just run in at 288k miles, beautiful, and you really do need to look. One of these I would not begrudge,


http://www.carandcla
ssic.co.uk/car/C3747
69

Built up to a standard and not down to a price, still looks new, and at £1695 worth every penny. Class.
Now then, this is a real Merc when they made proper cars, just run in at 288k miles, beautiful, and you really do need to look. One of these I would not begrudge, http://www.carandcla ssic.co.uk/car/C3747 69 Built up to a standard and not down to a price, still looks new, and at £1695 worth every penny. Class. the wizard
  • Score: 0

11:00pm Thu 11 Apr 13

The Jockster says...

The Jockster wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
tally38 wrote:
We are PANTS wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
DBTSTFC wrote:
I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net.
I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring.

Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys
Coyr!!!
Yeah let's be positive
I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games.
Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?)
Top post had a chuckle
Have you got any eyes?
You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!!
Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!!

People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them...

Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?
HERE HERE
Tally and pants I'd sooner read Grims humorous largely tongue in cheek posts any day than some of the drivel and dross posted on here. If nothing else he wears his heart on his sleeve and tells it as he sees it. If you don't like don't read - simples eh?
But one has no idea if one is going to like it or not, until one has read it.
But then if one doesn't like it then one doesn't need to respond surely?

Avo that's the trouble with the written weird - you base a statement saying you had 4 Sheffield u tickets for sake- why wouldn't anyone not take you seriously at your written word.
And I have read your recent comments just not felt the need to respond although I recall agreeing with one of your recent posts then I saw your tickets for sale post which like I've said " how are we supposed to know your joking.
As Grim said we were looking forwards to positive progression which has gone to rat sh!t so everyone is raw. The trip to Sheffield for me is something of an anti climax now because it all seems meaningless.
Sorry about typos -I phone predictive text!
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tally38[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTSTFC[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with most of the comments about Kmac. Since he has come in we have played a lot better football than we did with PDC, The strikers are to blame in my eyes not taking the chances. The only mistake so far is not signing someone who can put the ball in the net. I'm still optimistic of a trip to wembley at the end of the season if we can start scoring. Less of the negativity lets get behind the boys Coyr!!![/p][/quote]Yeah let's be positive I think wilma Joan and Rooney will score 10 each in the next 4 games. Oh hang on he don't play anyone upfront (well we can't blame the pillock for that then?) Top post had a chuckle Have you got any eyes?[/p][/quote]You really are a nasty piece of s##t Grim!!! Every day without fail you abuse someone in one way or another, be it a player or one of us on here!! People are entitled to their opinions and even if they are not the same as yours you should respect them... Even if they are in the minority with their thoughts, it doesn't give you the right to name call does it?[/p][/quote]HERE HERE[/p][/quote]Tally and pants I'd sooner read Grims humorous largely tongue in cheek posts any day than some of the drivel and dross posted on here. If nothing else he wears his heart on his sleeve and tells it as he sees it. If you don't like don't read - simples eh?[/p][/quote]But one has no idea if one is going to like it or not, until one has read it.[/p][/quote]But then if one doesn't like it then one doesn't need to respond surely? Avo that's the trouble with the written weird - you base a statement saying you had 4 Sheffield u tickets for sake- why wouldn't anyone not take you seriously at your written word. And I have read your recent comments just not felt the need to respond although I recall agreeing with one of your recent posts then I saw your tickets for sale post which like I've said " how are we supposed to know your joking. As Grim said we were looking forwards to positive progression which has gone to rat sh!t so everyone is raw. The trip to Sheffield for me is something of an anti climax now because it all seems meaningless.[/p][/quote]Sorry about typos -I phone predictive text! The Jockster
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11:00pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Rebel_phish says...

the wizard wrote:
Now then, this is a real Merc when they made proper cars, just run in at 288k miles, beautiful, and you really do need to look. One of these I would not begrudge,


http://www.carandcla

ssic.co.uk/car/C3747

69

Built up to a standard and not down to a price, still looks new, and at £1695 worth every penny. Class.
Wiz, sticking with old cars. I have a 12 year old Merc 240 for sale with only 25K on the clock. Still nearly showroom condition. My dad bought it nearly new with only 3k on the clock for cash. It was a bl00dy dear shopping trolly.

I also took his Scorpio off his hands, which I just sold the other day. 24 years old with only 58k mileage. Still a good runner.

I also has his Zephur 6 off him. 23k on the clock 12 years old. Didnt get any older. I dented the wing when I slammed it into the back of a Capri. Slight scratch on the Zephur - totally fcuked the Capri. Build to a standard? Built like a bleeding Tank.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Now then, this is a real Merc when they made proper cars, just run in at 288k miles, beautiful, and you really do need to look. One of these I would not begrudge, http://www.carandcla ssic.co.uk/car/C3747 69 Built up to a standard and not down to a price, still looks new, and at £1695 worth every penny. Class.[/p][/quote]Wiz, sticking with old cars. I have a 12 year old Merc 240 for sale with only 25K on the clock. Still nearly showroom condition. My dad bought it nearly new with only 3k on the clock for cash. It was a bl00dy dear shopping trolly. I also took his Scorpio off his hands, which I just sold the other day. 24 years old with only 58k mileage. Still a good runner. I also has his Zephur 6 off him. 23k on the clock 12 years old. Didnt get any older. I dented the wing when I slammed it into the back of a Capri. Slight scratch on the Zephur - totally fcuked the Capri. Build to a standard? Built like a bleeding Tank. Rebel_phish
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11:11pm Thu 11 Apr 13

mancrobin says...

old town robin wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner.

On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge.

And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.
So what was the alternative?
good question, none probably,
Well that's my point OTR. Even if this Board have not got any money (and the evidence is building), the only alternative to not accepting them would have been administration.

I suppose another question would be whether going to administration would have been better in the long run? Somehow, I doubt it and you wouldn't fancy being a Glasgow Rangers.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Danny Wilson's win percentage at Sheff Utd was good 52%, not quite so good as Paolo's 57%. but any manager with notable success has to be around at least the high 47% mark to be considered a winner. On another note Mac says Caddis won't go cheap, pity the board didn't think about that when they gifted B'muff promotion with the gift wrapped present of Matt Ritchie for next to nothing., reminds me of the Duncan Shearer sale when Blackburn bought him and didn't play him, but did put a stop to our challenge. And before the moaners of the moaners come out in force with their "we still got a club" arguement, I know officially the club said he was sold by Black to provide funds for running the club through February, unofficially he was sold because the incoming lot of Jed & Co had no money of their own, otherwise if they did, why would they have sold the family jewels in their best asset to get us promoted for next to nothing.[/p][/quote]So what was the alternative?[/p][/quote]good question, none probably,[/p][/quote]Well that's my point OTR. Even if this Board have not got any money (and the evidence is building), the only alternative to not accepting them would have been administration. I suppose another question would be whether going to administration would have been better in the long run? Somehow, I doubt it and you wouldn't fancy being a Glasgow Rangers. mancrobin
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11:20pm Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Now then, this is a real Merc when they made proper cars, just run in at 288k miles, beautiful, and you really do need to look. One of these I would not begrudge,


http://www.carandcla


ssic.co.uk/car/C3747


69

Built up to a standard and not down to a price, still looks new, and at £1695 worth every penny. Class.
Wiz, sticking with old cars. I have a 12 year old Merc 240 for sale with only 25K on the clock. Still nearly showroom condition. My dad bought it nearly new with only 3k on the clock for cash. It was a bl00dy dear shopping trolly.

I also took his Scorpio off his hands, which I just sold the other day. 24 years old with only 58k mileage. Still a good runner.

I also has his Zephur 6 off him. 23k on the clock 12 years old. Didnt get any older. I dented the wing when I slammed it into the back of a Capri. Slight scratch on the Zephur - totally fcuked the Capri. Build to a standard? Built like a bleeding Tank.
Its a funny old world. My old chap had some brilliant motors over the years, several Mercs including a 280 sl sports detectable hard top etc, two e class 300D and a 350SEL LWB saloon. Before that he had a few Pugs a Scimitar GTE and a very rare Mazda R100 rotary saloon, went like stink only did about 20mpg. He had a couple of Audi's as well. When he died I had the later of the 300D E class. I used it as a daily when I worked at Cowley BMW, it wrankled with a few that despite its age and mileage it still looked so good. I got 40 odd to the gallon out of it without trying, and such a heavy old beast but if you floored it in "D" it just took off. Dunno if you ever look on carandclassic.com but there are some lovely motors on there for sale. I've sold a few on there, and Phil the owner is a well decent bloke They get good bikes on there and a bit of Stateside on there from time to time.
I'd like a Merc Pontoon but cannot afford one, but my big love would be an old Saab 2 stroke. I rallied one in Sweden years ago, loved it, a good thrash through the forest of an evening, dirt, dust, gravel, exhaust, ELK's, large tree's, bigger logs and low sun in your eyes, fear factor and adrenalin of the scale.Then somebody invented political correctness and elf'n'safety, they have never lived !!!
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Now then, this is a real Merc when they made proper cars, just run in at 288k miles, beautiful, and you really do need to look. One of these I would not begrudge, http://www.carandcla ssic.co.uk/car/C3747 69 Built up to a standard and not down to a price, still looks new, and at £1695 worth every penny. Class.[/p][/quote]Wiz, sticking with old cars. I have a 12 year old Merc 240 for sale with only 25K on the clock. Still nearly showroom condition. My dad bought it nearly new with only 3k on the clock for cash. It was a bl00dy dear shopping trolly. I also took his Scorpio off his hands, which I just sold the other day. 24 years old with only 58k mileage. Still a good runner. I also has his Zephur 6 off him. 23k on the clock 12 years old. Didnt get any older. I dented the wing when I slammed it into the back of a Capri. Slight scratch on the Zephur - totally fcuked the Capri. Build to a standard? Built like a bleeding Tank.[/p][/quote]Its a funny old world. My old chap had some brilliant motors over the years, several Mercs including a 280 sl sports detectable hard top etc, two e class 300D and a 350SEL LWB saloon. Before that he had a few Pugs a Scimitar GTE and a very rare Mazda R100 rotary saloon, went like stink only did about 20mpg. He had a couple of Audi's as well. When he died I had the later of the 300D E class. I used it as a daily when I worked at Cowley BMW, it wrankled with a few that despite its age and mileage it still looked so good. I got 40 odd to the gallon out of it without trying, and such a heavy old beast but if you floored it in "D" it just took off. Dunno if you ever look on carandclassic.com but there are some lovely motors on there for sale. I've sold a few on there, and Phil the owner is a well decent bloke They get good bikes on there and a bit of Stateside on there from time to time. I'd like a Merc Pontoon but cannot afford one, but my big love would be an old Saab 2 stroke. I rallied one in Sweden years ago, loved it, a good thrash through the forest of an evening, dirt, dust, gravel, exhaust, ELK's, large tree's, bigger logs and low sun in your eyes, fear factor and adrenalin of the scale.Then somebody invented political correctness and elf'n'safety, they have never lived !!! the wizard
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11:39pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Rebel_phish says...

the wizard wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Now then, this is a real Merc when they made proper cars, just run in at 288k miles, beautiful, and you really do need to look. One of these I would not begrudge,


http://www.carandcla



ssic.co.uk/car/C3747



69

Built up to a standard and not down to a price, still looks new, and at £1695 worth every penny. Class.
Wiz, sticking with old cars. I have a 12 year old Merc 240 for sale with only 25K on the clock. Still nearly showroom condition. My dad bought it nearly new with only 3k on the clock for cash. It was a bl00dy dear shopping trolly.

I also took his Scorpio off his hands, which I just sold the other day. 24 years old with only 58k mileage. Still a good runner.

I also has his Zephur 6 off him. 23k on the clock 12 years old. Didnt get any older. I dented the wing when I slammed it into the back of a Capri. Slight scratch on the Zephur - totally fcuked the Capri. Build to a standard? Built like a bleeding Tank.
Its a funny old world. My old chap had some brilliant motors over the years, several Mercs including a 280 sl sports detectable hard top etc, two e class 300D and a 350SEL LWB saloon. Before that he had a few Pugs a Scimitar GTE and a very rare Mazda R100 rotary saloon, went like stink only did about 20mpg. He had a couple of Audi's as well. When he died I had the later of the 300D E class. I used it as a daily when I worked at Cowley BMW, it wrankled with a few that despite its age and mileage it still looked so good. I got 40 odd to the gallon out of it without trying, and such a heavy old beast but if you floored it in "D" it just took off. Dunno if you ever look on carandclassic.com but there are some lovely motors on there for sale. I've sold a few on there, and Phil the owner is a well decent bloke They get good bikes on there and a bit of Stateside on there from time to time.
I'd like a Merc Pontoon but cannot afford one, but my big love would be an old Saab 2 stroke. I rallied one in Sweden years ago, loved it, a good thrash through the forest of an evening, dirt, dust, gravel, exhaust, ELK's, large tree's, bigger logs and low sun in your eyes, fear factor and adrenalin of the scale.Then somebody invented political correctness and elf'n'safety, they have never lived !!!
I just sold my Scorpio through carandclassic. I used to love driving it down the fast lane of the motorway at 70. Then you'd get someone in hatchback flash their lights at you to pull over to let them pass as if they're thinking "bleeding old car, shouldn't be on the road"

Sometimes I would just wait a bit and then floor it leaving them dumbfounded. Sometimes I would pull over, let them pass, and then floor it.

The excessive speed cameras and patrol cars spoilt that little jolly though. But It was fun seeing them trying to keep up. Never messed with the real cars though, just gave them respect. Ahh, the memories.

Better leave the petrol-head talk there though Wiz,before we get moaned at. After all, this is supposed to be a football forum.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Now then, this is a real Merc when they made proper cars, just run in at 288k miles, beautiful, and you really do need to look. One of these I would not begrudge, http://www.carandcla ssic.co.uk/car/C3747 69 Built up to a standard and not down to a price, still looks new, and at £1695 worth every penny. Class.[/p][/quote]Wiz, sticking with old cars. I have a 12 year old Merc 240 for sale with only 25K on the clock. Still nearly showroom condition. My dad bought it nearly new with only 3k on the clock for cash. It was a bl00dy dear shopping trolly. I also took his Scorpio off his hands, which I just sold the other day. 24 years old with only 58k mileage. Still a good runner. I also has his Zephur 6 off him. 23k on the clock 12 years old. Didnt get any older. I dented the wing when I slammed it into the back of a Capri. Slight scratch on the Zephur - totally fcuked the Capri. Build to a standard? Built like a bleeding Tank.[/p][/quote]Its a funny old world. My old chap had some brilliant motors over the years, several Mercs including a 280 sl sports detectable hard top etc, two e class 300D and a 350SEL LWB saloon. Before that he had a few Pugs a Scimitar GTE and a very rare Mazda R100 rotary saloon, went like stink only did about 20mpg. He had a couple of Audi's as well. When he died I had the later of the 300D E class. I used it as a daily when I worked at Cowley BMW, it wrankled with a few that despite its age and mileage it still looked so good. I got 40 odd to the gallon out of it without trying, and such a heavy old beast but if you floored it in "D" it just took off. Dunno if you ever look on carandclassic.com but there are some lovely motors on there for sale. I've sold a few on there, and Phil the owner is a well decent bloke They get good bikes on there and a bit of Stateside on there from time to time. I'd like a Merc Pontoon but cannot afford one, but my big love would be an old Saab 2 stroke. I rallied one in Sweden years ago, loved it, a good thrash through the forest of an evening, dirt, dust, gravel, exhaust, ELK's, large tree's, bigger logs and low sun in your eyes, fear factor and adrenalin of the scale.Then somebody invented political correctness and elf'n'safety, they have never lived !!![/p][/quote]I just sold my Scorpio through carandclassic. I used to love driving it down the fast lane of the motorway at 70. Then you'd get someone in hatchback flash their lights at you to pull over to let them pass as if they're thinking "bleeding old car, shouldn't be on the road" Sometimes I would just wait a bit and then floor it leaving them dumbfounded. Sometimes I would pull over, let them pass, and then floor it. The excessive speed cameras and patrol cars spoilt that little jolly though. But It was fun seeing them trying to keep up. Never messed with the real cars though, just gave them respect. Ahh, the memories. Better leave the petrol-head talk there though Wiz,before we get moaned at. After all, this is supposed to be a football forum. Rebel_phish
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11:43pm Thu 11 Apr 13

the wizard says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Now then, this is a real Merc when they made proper cars, just run in at 288k miles, beautiful, and you really do need to look. One of these I would not begrudge,


http://www.carandcla




ssic.co.uk/car/C3747




69

Built up to a standard and not down to a price, still looks new, and at £1695 worth every penny. Class.
Wiz, sticking with old cars. I have a 12 year old Merc 240 for sale with only 25K on the clock. Still nearly showroom condition. My dad bought it nearly new with only 3k on the clock for cash. It was a bl00dy dear shopping trolly.

I also took his Scorpio off his hands, which I just sold the other day. 24 years old with only 58k mileage. Still a good runner.

I also has his Zephur 6 off him. 23k on the clock 12 years old. Didnt get any older. I dented the wing when I slammed it into the back of a Capri. Slight scratch on the Zephur - totally fcuked the Capri. Build to a standard? Built like a bleeding Tank.
Its a funny old world. My old chap had some brilliant motors over the years, several Mercs including a 280 sl sports detectable hard top etc, two e class 300D and a 350SEL LWB saloon. Before that he had a few Pugs a Scimitar GTE and a very rare Mazda R100 rotary saloon, went like stink only did about 20mpg. He had a couple of Audi's as well. When he died I had the later of the 300D E class. I used it as a daily when I worked at Cowley BMW, it wrankled with a few that despite its age and mileage it still looked so good. I got 40 odd to the gallon out of it without trying, and such a heavy old beast but if you floored it in "D" it just took off. Dunno if you ever look on carandclassic.com but there are some lovely motors on there for sale. I've sold a few on there, and Phil the owner is a well decent bloke They get good bikes on there and a bit of Stateside on there from time to time.
I'd like a Merc Pontoon but cannot afford one, but my big love would be an old Saab 2 stroke. I rallied one in Sweden years ago, loved it, a good thrash through the forest of an evening, dirt, dust, gravel, exhaust, ELK's, large tree's, bigger logs and low sun in your eyes, fear factor and adrenalin of the scale.Then somebody invented political correctness and elf'n'safety, they have never lived !!!
I just sold my Scorpio through carandclassic. I used to love driving it down the fast lane of the motorway at 70. Then you'd get someone in hatchback flash their lights at you to pull over to let them pass as if they're thinking "bleeding old car, shouldn't be on the road"

Sometimes I would just wait a bit and then floor it leaving them dumbfounded. Sometimes I would pull over, let them pass, and then floor it.

The excessive speed cameras and patrol cars spoilt that little jolly though. But It was fun seeing them trying to keep up. Never messed with the real cars though, just gave them respect. Ahh, the memories.

Better leave the petrol-head talk there though Wiz,before we get moaned at. After all, this is supposed to be a football forum.
Big shame, I don't think there are many here now, just to close, my VW t4 Camper was big fun, factory fitted 2.8 VR6 and factory lowered. Went well even on LPG. We'll have to have a get together sometime. Cheers for now, I've enjoyed this evening, thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Now then, this is a real Merc when they made proper cars, just run in at 288k miles, beautiful, and you really do need to look. One of these I would not begrudge, http://www.carandcla ssic.co.uk/car/C3747 69 Built up to a standard and not down to a price, still looks new, and at £1695 worth every penny. Class.[/p][/quote]Wiz, sticking with old cars. I have a 12 year old Merc 240 for sale with only 25K on the clock. Still nearly showroom condition. My dad bought it nearly new with only 3k on the clock for cash. It was a bl00dy dear shopping trolly. I also took his Scorpio off his hands, which I just sold the other day. 24 years old with only 58k mileage. Still a good runner. I also has his Zephur 6 off him. 23k on the clock 12 years old. Didnt get any older. I dented the wing when I slammed it into the back of a Capri. Slight scratch on the Zephur - totally fcuked the Capri. Build to a standard? Built like a bleeding Tank.[/p][/quote]Its a funny old world. My old chap had some brilliant motors over the years, several Mercs including a 280 sl sports detectable hard top etc, two e class 300D and a 350SEL LWB saloon. Before that he had a few Pugs a Scimitar GTE and a very rare Mazda R100 rotary saloon, went like stink only did about 20mpg. He had a couple of Audi's as well. When he died I had the later of the 300D E class. I used it as a daily when I worked at Cowley BMW, it wrankled with a few that despite its age and mileage it still looked so good. I got 40 odd to the gallon out of it without trying, and such a heavy old beast but if you floored it in "D" it just took off. Dunno if you ever look on carandclassic.com but there are some lovely motors on there for sale. I've sold a few on there, and Phil the owner is a well decent bloke They get good bikes on there and a bit of Stateside on there from time to time. I'd like a Merc Pontoon but cannot afford one, but my big love would be an old Saab 2 stroke. I rallied one in Sweden years ago, loved it, a good thrash through the forest of an evening, dirt, dust, gravel, exhaust, ELK's, large tree's, bigger logs and low sun in your eyes, fear factor and adrenalin of the scale.Then somebody invented political correctness and elf'n'safety, they have never lived !!![/p][/quote]I just sold my Scorpio through carandclassic. I used to love driving it down the fast lane of the motorway at 70. Then you'd get someone in hatchback flash their lights at you to pull over to let them pass as if they're thinking "bleeding old car, shouldn't be on the road" Sometimes I would just wait a bit and then floor it leaving them dumbfounded. Sometimes I would pull over, let them pass, and then floor it. The excessive speed cameras and patrol cars spoilt that little jolly though. But It was fun seeing them trying to keep up. Never messed with the real cars though, just gave them respect. Ahh, the memories. Better leave the petrol-head talk there though Wiz,before we get moaned at. After all, this is supposed to be a football forum.[/p][/quote]Big shame, I don't think there are many here now, just to close, my VW t4 Camper was big fun, factory fitted 2.8 VR6 and factory lowered. Went well even on LPG. We'll have to have a get together sometime. Cheers for now, I've enjoyed this evening, thanks. the wizard
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11:48pm Thu 11 Apr 13

madterrier says...

alynsmith wrote:
here is the answer I would like to have heard: 'as Paul Caddis is a Swindon player under a Swindon contract we look forward to having him back next season in the team as he is the type of quality player we need to progress to the Championship, wehether we are already there (unlikely) or not. However if the player hands in a transfer request we will look to achieve a transfer fee that reflects his ability especially as he has shown what he can do at the next level'
^
This.

Why the hell all the defeatist talk?? Caddis is our player, under contract, and yes we know about 'player power' but you've summed up perfectly what the club's stance should be.
[quote][p][bold]alynsmith[/bold] wrote: here is the answer I would like to have heard: 'as Paul Caddis is a Swindon player under a Swindon contract we look forward to having him back next season in the team as he is the type of quality player we need to progress to the Championship, wehether we are already there (unlikely) or not. However if the player hands in a transfer request we will look to achieve a transfer fee that reflects his ability especially as he has shown what he can do at the next level'[/p][/quote]^ This. Why the hell all the defeatist talk?? Caddis is our player, under contract, and yes we know about 'player power' but you've summed up perfectly what the club's stance should be. madterrier
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3:04pm Fri 12 Apr 13

buckobassettboy says...

southside7 wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
Ref: Unsurity - made up word

But you know what I meen, or maybe you dont.
No I don't, you seem to be writing in a language other than English, if you know what I 'mean'?
Yes-and while we are on the subject of English grammar-the word their is possessive as in '' their team.There is their manager with their team waiting over there.Another little gem was here here-edgeucation aint wot it were!
[quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: Ref: Unsurity - made up word But you know what I meen, or maybe you dont.[/p][/quote]No I don't, you seem to be writing in a language other than English, if you know what I 'mean'?[/p][/quote]Yes-and while we are on the subject of English grammar-the word their is possessive as in '' their team.There is their manager with their team waiting over there.Another little gem was here here-edgeucation aint wot it were! buckobassettboy
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3:34pm Fri 12 Apr 13

buckobassettboy says...

Not for one minute am I casting any doubt over our,ahem,board of management but does anyone remember the phrase ''Long Firming'' or on a more simplistic level 'Pyramid Scam''.Just how many companies are the incumbent holding office?Really starting to get a whiff of something nasty or maybe I am just being silly?Just as a footnote,my ex sister in law copped a 3 stretch for ''Long Firming''Reckon there are more than a few in the Jug for the same thing.Just a thought
Not for one minute am I casting any doubt over our,ahem,board of management but does anyone remember the phrase ''Long Firming'' or on a more simplistic level 'Pyramid Scam''.Just how many companies are the incumbent holding office?Really starting to get a whiff of something nasty or maybe I am just being silly?Just as a footnote,my ex sister in law copped a 3 stretch for ''Long Firming''Reckon there are more than a few in the Jug for the same thing.Just a thought buckobassettboy
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11:36pm Fri 12 Apr 13

the wizard says...

buckobassettboy wrote:
Not for one minute am I casting any doubt over our,ahem,board of management but does anyone remember the phrase ''Long Firming'' or on a more simplistic level 'Pyramid Scam''.Just how many companies are the incumbent holding office?Really starting to get a whiff of something nasty or maybe I am just being silly?Just as a footnote,my ex sister in law copped a 3 stretch for ''Long Firming''Reckon there are more than a few in the Jug for the same thing.Just a thought
Taken fro Wiki,

A long firm (also known as a consumer credit fraud) is a trading company set up for fraudulent purposes; the basic operation is to run the company as an apparently legitimate business by buying goods and paying suppliers promptly to secure a good credit record;. Once they are sufficiently well-established, the perpetrators then purchase the next round of goods on credit and decamp with both the goods and profits from previous sales. The goods can then be sold elsewhere. The procedure needs a certain amount of money to set up, often the proceeds from another crime or a previous long firm.

Long firm frauds have become significantly less common in recent years since it is no longer possible to operate for any length of time without leaving a significant paper trail.


Is this what you are refering to ??
[quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: Not for one minute am I casting any doubt over our,ahem,board of management but does anyone remember the phrase ''Long Firming'' or on a more simplistic level 'Pyramid Scam''.Just how many companies are the incumbent holding office?Really starting to get a whiff of something nasty or maybe I am just being silly?Just as a footnote,my ex sister in law copped a 3 stretch for ''Long Firming''Reckon there are more than a few in the Jug for the same thing.Just a thought[/p][/quote]Taken fro Wiki, A long firm (also known as a consumer credit fraud)[1] is a trading company set up for fraudulent purposes; the basic operation is to run the company as an apparently legitimate business by buying goods and paying suppliers promptly to secure a good credit record;.[2] Once they are sufficiently well-established, the perpetrators then purchase the next round of goods on credit and decamp with both the goods and profits from previous sales. The goods can then be sold elsewhere.[3] The procedure needs a certain amount of money to set up, often the proceeds from another crime or a previous long firm. Long firm frauds have become significantly less common in recent years since it is no longer possible to operate for any length of time without leaving a significant paper trail. Is this what you are refering to ?? the wizard
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buckobassettboy says...

the wizard wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
Not for one minute am I casting any doubt over our,ahem,board of management but does anyone remember the phrase ''Long Firming'' or on a more simplistic level 'Pyramid Scam''.Just how many companies are the incumbent holding office?Really starting to get a whiff of something nasty or maybe I am just being silly?Just as a footnote,my ex sister in law copped a 3 stretch for ''Long Firming''Reckon there are more than a few in the Jug for the same thing.Just a thought
Taken fro Wiki,

A long firm (also known as a consumer credit fraud) is a trading company set up for fraudulent purposes; the basic operation is to run the company as an apparently legitimate business by buying goods and paying suppliers promptly to secure a good credit record;. Once they are sufficiently well-established, the perpetrators then purchase the next round of goods on credit and decamp with both the goods and profits from previous sales. The goods can then be sold elsewhere. The procedure needs a certain amount of money to set up, often the proceeds from another crime or a previous long firm.

Long firm frauds have become significantly less common in recent years since it is no longer possible to operate for any length of time without leaving a significant paper trail.


Is this what you are refering to ??
Never went to wiki for the definition,but it was also setting up companies,showing profit and good trading record for the 1st couple of years,then borrowing against that good record and setting up a second company,repeating the process to 10-20 companies,moving the funds forward each time to the last company-pull the whole lot of cash out on the last one and declare bankruptcy on the preceding companies.That is my basic understanding.Indeed
,much less common due to regulations and the FSA-however,there are some game players out there-chancers is a similar term used on this forum-who have multiple companies and directorships,being the perfect medium for this type of activity.Still,that would never happen at STFC-no adverse in our history!!Incidently,
anyone phoned Private Eye?The sort of crap thats going on behind the scenes at SN1 is meat and potatoes to them
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: Not for one minute am I casting any doubt over our,ahem,board of management but does anyone remember the phrase ''Long Firming'' or on a more simplistic level 'Pyramid Scam''.Just how many companies are the incumbent holding office?Really starting to get a whiff of something nasty or maybe I am just being silly?Just as a footnote,my ex sister in law copped a 3 stretch for ''Long Firming''Reckon there are more than a few in the Jug for the same thing.Just a thought[/p][/quote]Taken fro Wiki, A long firm (also known as a consumer credit fraud)[1] is a trading company set up for fraudulent purposes; the basic operation is to run the company as an apparently legitimate business by buying goods and paying suppliers promptly to secure a good credit record;.[2] Once they are sufficiently well-established, the perpetrators then purchase the next round of goods on credit and decamp with both the goods and profits from previous sales. The goods can then be sold elsewhere.[3] The procedure needs a certain amount of money to set up, often the proceeds from another crime or a previous long firm. Long firm frauds have become significantly less common in recent years since it is no longer possible to operate for any length of time without leaving a significant paper trail. Is this what you are refering to ??[/p][/quote]Never went to wiki for the definition,but it was also setting up companies,showing profit and good trading record for the 1st couple of years,then borrowing against that good record and setting up a second company,repeating the process to 10-20 companies,moving the funds forward each time to the last company-pull the whole lot of cash out on the last one and declare bankruptcy on the preceding companies.That is my basic understanding.Indeed ,much less common due to regulations and the FSA-however,there are some game players out there-chancers is a similar term used on this forum-who have multiple companies and directorships,being the perfect medium for this type of activity.Still,that would never happen at STFC-no adverse in our history!!Incidently, anyone phoned Private Eye?The sort of crap thats going on behind the scenes at SN1 is meat and potatoes to them buckobassettboy
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