SWINDON TOWN: Cooper cites lack of experience for Bees defeat

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MANAGER Mark Cooper has reconciled that Swindon Town’s defensive fragility is down purely to inexperience after his side shipped three goals in defeat to Brentford on Boxing Day.

Two sloppy pieces of defending in the second half at Griffin Park allowed Clayton Donaldson and Marcello Trotta to turn a losing position into a winning one, as Town ended up with nothing to show for their efforts in west London despite twice taking the lead through Ryan Mason and Nicky Ajose.

It was far from the first occasion Swindon’s weaknesses at the back have cost the Robins points away from home but, having worked hard on the defensive side of the game in training, Cooper believes the repetitive nature of his team’s mistakes can only be put down to Town’s relative immaturity.

“I think that’s inexperience. If you look at the Brentford team they’re full of experience and they know how to see games out whereas our team is still learning,” he said.

“We’ve tried to get everyone behind the ball and frustrate teams, which proved reasonably successful, but now we’ve chosen to go in a different direction and try to make it entertaining. To do that you have to concede chances.

“I prefer any way that gets us results. I think we should have got a result today. They’re schoolboy goals to concede. It’s a cross in the box and people don’t deal with it and it’s a goal. We don’t get that. We don’t get gift goals. I’m convinced it’s down to inexperience.

“We can’t work on it any more. We’ve worked on it religiously nearly every day – defending in the box and making sure everybody is marked in the box – it’s different when you’re under pressure and you’re tired to keep carrying it out.”

Cooper confirmed that Nile Ranger was involved in a car accident on Christmas Day but suffered no ill effects.

“He seems fine,” he said. “Obviously we had to make sure he got here okay safely in a taxi from wherever. It’s just another day in Nile’s life.”

Jay McEveley missed the clash with a dead leg, while Dany N’Guessan was ill and Ryan Harley suffering from an upset stomach. All three are expected to return to action when Swindon visit Bradford City on Sunday.

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8:12am Fri 27 Dec 13

the wizard says...

You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.
You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list. the wizard

9:06am Fri 27 Dec 13

old town robin says...

the wizard wrote:
You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.
Have to agree with you Wiz, first thing I thought reading this article, how can he include the biggest culprit of poor defending Ward as inexperienced, he was most at fault for the third goal and after seeing the goals on Football Express, I also have to agree with Cooper when he says it was a school boy error. Ward was too slow to clear it and at the risk of getting the dreaded thumbs down, I have to say he has to go, he's a liability and IMO he has rarely shown this season the required quality of leadership at the back this team of youngsters need.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.[/p][/quote]Have to agree with you Wiz, first thing I thought reading this article, how can he include the biggest culprit of poor defending Ward as inexperienced, he was most at fault for the third goal and after seeing the goals on Football Express, I also have to agree with Cooper when he says it was a school boy error. Ward was too slow to clear it and at the risk of getting the dreaded thumbs down, I have to say he has to go, he's a liability and IMO he has rarely shown this season the required quality of leadership at the back this team of youngsters need. old town robin

9:10am Fri 27 Dec 13

Fernham Red says...

Can't be often that we've played against a side with 2 former STFC players of the season lining up against us. Ironically, it's precisely that kind of mettle that we lack in our current team. Having said that, I'm glad we went on the attack and played to our strengths - far, far better than a dismal 1-0 loss away from home. Mason and Ajose gave us all something to cheer in what was (by all accounts) a very entertaining affair. Well done also to the 1,000 town faithful for braving the elements. Brentford were my early shout for this years title and 3-2 is no disappointment away from home in front of a decent crowd on Boxing day against a team who've won about 10 on the trot. I for one am pleased with what Mark and the team have achieved at STFC in 2013. I think we all know where our strengths and weaknesses lie BUT to have achieved what we have bearing in mind our budget reduction, squad members we can't shift and off the field changes - there is still a big big reason to celebrate.

Looking forward to more attractive football in 2014 from (one of) the youngest 'active' squads in the country. Well done lads we're all proud of what you've achieved!

As a footnote, I hope that all of our young talents (too many to list now) realise what a great opportunity they have here to get a full run-out week on week; with a manager and club that support "attractive" and "creative" football, played to feet. No doubt this will be a stepping stone for all of them but I would encourage them all to enjoy what they have here for as long as possible and make sure that their next (inevitable) step affords them as much playing time and creativity as they enjoy at Swindon.
Can't be often that we've played against a side with 2 former STFC players of the season lining up against us. Ironically, it's precisely that kind of mettle that we lack in our current team. Having said that, I'm glad we went on the attack and played to our strengths - far, far better than a dismal 1-0 loss away from home. Mason and Ajose gave us all something to cheer in what was (by all accounts) a very entertaining affair. Well done also to the 1,000 town faithful for braving the elements. Brentford were my early shout for this years title and 3-2 is no disappointment away from home in front of a decent crowd on Boxing day against a team who've won about 10 on the trot. I for one am pleased with what Mark and the team have achieved at STFC in 2013. I think we all know where our strengths and weaknesses lie BUT to have achieved what we have bearing in mind our budget reduction, squad members we can't shift and off the field changes - there is still a big big reason to celebrate. Looking forward to more attractive football in 2014 from (one of) the youngest 'active' squads in the country. Well done lads we're all proud of what you've achieved! As a footnote, I hope that all of our young talents (too many to list now) realise what a great opportunity they have here to get a full run-out week on week; with a manager and club that support "attractive" and "creative" football, played to feet. No doubt this will be a stepping stone for all of them but I would encourage them all to enjoy what they have here for as long as possible and make sure that their next (inevitable) step affords them as much playing time and creativity as they enjoy at Swindon. Fernham Red

9:13am Fri 27 Dec 13

Bassett Hound says...

the wizard wrote:
You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.
Our goal keeper is not as good as we all think. He contributes to the mistakes but gets away with criticism because Ward takes most of the blame. Did he not fail to call yesterday with the 3rd goal ?
He made a lot of mistakes at the end of last year that cost us a better play off position. He does not dominate his area and is not to special on crosses,he is however a terrific shot stopper,but his judgement in coming of his line could be better. I have never quite understood the god like status he has at Swindon.
Just my opinion of course. Hope every one had a good christmas.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.[/p][/quote]Our goal keeper is not as good as we all think. He contributes to the mistakes but gets away with criticism because Ward takes most of the blame. Did he not fail to call yesterday with the 3rd goal ? He made a lot of mistakes at the end of last year that cost us a better play off position. He does not dominate his area and is not to special on crosses,he is however a terrific shot stopper,but his judgement in coming of his line could be better. I have never quite understood the god like status he has at Swindon. Just my opinion of course. Hope every one had a good christmas. Bassett Hound

9:13am Fri 27 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.
Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans. Oi Den!

9:19am Fri 27 Dec 13

the wizard says...

old town robin wrote:
the wizard wrote:
You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.
Have to agree with you Wiz, first thing I thought reading this article, how can he include the biggest culprit of poor defending Ward as inexperienced, he was most at fault for the third goal and after seeing the goals on Football Express, I also have to agree with Cooper when he says it was a school boy error. Ward was too slow to clear it and at the risk of getting the dreaded thumbs down, I have to say he has to go, he's a liability and IMO he has rarely shown this season the required quality of leadership at the back this team of youngsters need.
Totally agree with your view and sentiments.
If we can get some fresh faces at the back in January I would like him to hang up his boots on what has been an illustrious career and at least go with his head held high and with good respect. Hanging on to the end of the season I fear will undo a lot of the good he has done here.
His coaching career is where he should now be focusing his efforts, and I wish him enormous success with that.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.[/p][/quote]Have to agree with you Wiz, first thing I thought reading this article, how can he include the biggest culprit of poor defending Ward as inexperienced, he was most at fault for the third goal and after seeing the goals on Football Express, I also have to agree with Cooper when he says it was a school boy error. Ward was too slow to clear it and at the risk of getting the dreaded thumbs down, I have to say he has to go, he's a liability and IMO he has rarely shown this season the required quality of leadership at the back this team of youngsters need.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with your view and sentiments. If we can get some fresh faces at the back in January I would like him to hang up his boots on what has been an illustrious career and at least go with his head held high and with good respect. Hanging on to the end of the season I fear will undo a lot of the good he has done here. His coaching career is where he should now be focusing his efforts, and I wish him enormous success with that. the wizard

9:27am Fri 27 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

A major plus during the PDC era was the goalkeeping coaching and discipline. The Italian coach, whose name escapes me now, kept Foderingham sharp. We rarely saw the communication lapses we get occasionally now and I think he was much more positive and in charge of his area then. Fraser Digby will always be a Town playing legend. I have my doubts about him as a coach.
A major plus during the PDC era was the goalkeeping coaching and discipline. The Italian coach, whose name escapes me now, kept Foderingham sharp. We rarely saw the communication lapses we get occasionally now and I think he was much more positive and in charge of his area then. Fraser Digby will always be a Town playing legend. I have my doubts about him as a coach. Oi Den!

9:30am Fri 27 Dec 13

the wizard says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
the wizard wrote:
You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.
Our goal keeper is not as good as we all think. He contributes to the mistakes but gets away with criticism because Ward takes most of the blame. Did he not fail to call yesterday with the 3rd goal ?
He made a lot of mistakes at the end of last year that cost us a better play off position. He does not dominate his area and is not to special on crosses,he is however a terrific shot stopper,but his judgement in coming of his line could be better. I have never quite understood the god like status he has at Swindon.
Just my opinion of course. Hope every one had a good christmas.
BH, I've said for a while and again recently, he is a shadow of the player he was while training with PDC's goal keeping coach. Digby had a brilliant career here, but coach he aint.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.[/p][/quote]Our goal keeper is not as good as we all think. He contributes to the mistakes but gets away with criticism because Ward takes most of the blame. Did he not fail to call yesterday with the 3rd goal ? He made a lot of mistakes at the end of last year that cost us a better play off position. He does not dominate his area and is not to special on crosses,he is however a terrific shot stopper,but his judgement in coming of his line could be better. I have never quite understood the god like status he has at Swindon. Just my opinion of course. Hope every one had a good christmas.[/p][/quote]BH, I've said for a while and again recently, he is a shadow of the player he was while training with PDC's goal keeping coach. Digby had a brilliant career here, but coach he aint. the wizard

9:47am Fri 27 Dec 13

hertz says...

For me it all changed when Coops made his substitutions , taking Rangr off we lost the only target man we had , from that point we got pinned further and further back and I don't think Storey even saw the ball . As soon as Ranger came off Mcormack started rushing us down the right he put 3 brilliant balls across and only a matter of time gefore someone got on the end of one , but even then Wes rolled the ball to Ward who squares it and there is no breather they were straight back at us and you are right Dougie and McCormack put the work in , which when you think about it is exactly what Brrentford lacked last season so they fixed it with two of our players . Also I don't think Mason is fit or why we had Byrne marking Donaldson again and then Ajose who will get in the rightplace but isn't the play maker for Ranger we were really suspect all down that left side and Brentford knew it .We must have realised we did'nt have target so Ward starts to try to play up front . Up to hafl tmie I was enjoying the game even 15 mins into second half but then we just capitulated and they battered us for 15 mins we were pinned down and it ws game over , Some of those young uns think they are better than they actually are , must have been 4 times they had the ball taken right off their toes n dangerous positions while they thought about what to do next .
Still a lot to do IMO
For me it all changed when Coops made his substitutions , taking Rangr off we lost the only target man we had , from that point we got pinned further and further back and I don't think Storey even saw the ball . As soon as Ranger came off Mcormack started rushing us down the right he put 3 brilliant balls across and only a matter of time gefore someone got on the end of one , but even then Wes rolled the ball to Ward who squares it and there is no breather they were straight back at us and you are right Dougie and McCormack put the work in , which when you think about it is exactly what Brrentford lacked last season so they fixed it with two of our players . Also I don't think Mason is fit or why we had Byrne marking Donaldson again and then Ajose who will get in the rightplace but isn't the play maker for Ranger we were really suspect all down that left side and Brentford knew it .We must have realised we did'nt have target so Ward starts to try to play up front . Up to hafl tmie I was enjoying the game even 15 mins into second half but then we just capitulated and they battered us for 15 mins we were pinned down and it ws game over , Some of those young uns think they are better than they actually are , must have been 4 times they had the ball taken right off their toes n dangerous positions while they thought about what to do next . Still a lot to do IMO hertz

10:12am Fri 27 Dec 13

old town robin says...

hertz wrote:
For me it all changed when Coops made his substitutions , taking Rangr off we lost the only target man we had , from that point we got pinned further and further back and I don't think Storey even saw the ball . As soon as Ranger came off Mcormack started rushing us down the right he put 3 brilliant balls across and only a matter of time gefore someone got on the end of one , but even then Wes rolled the ball to Ward who squares it and there is no breather they were straight back at us and you are right Dougie and McCormack put the work in , which when you think about it is exactly what Brrentford lacked last season so they fixed it with two of our players . Also I don't think Mason is fit or why we had Byrne marking Donaldson again and then Ajose who will get in the rightplace but isn't the play maker for Ranger we were really suspect all down that left side and Brentford knew it .We must have realised we did'nt have target so Ward starts to try to play up front . Up to hafl tmie I was enjoying the game even 15 mins into second half but then we just capitulated and they battered us for 15 mins we were pinned down and it ws game over , Some of those young uns think they are better than they actually are , must have been 4 times they had the ball taken right off their toes n dangerous positions while they thought about what to do next .
Still a lot to do IMO
Always good to read an account from someone who was there Hertz. With regards to Byrne's having to cope with Donaldson, according to Sam that decision may have been forced on Coops as Jay was not 100% fit from a dead leg.

Storey is never going to shine up front without having a big guy like Ranger along side him, so unless Nile was tired or suffering some effects from his car crash, yes I agree very strange decision taking him off.

On Sam's match day report it was said MacCormack twice gave Kasim a kicking off the ball, but none of the officials saw it, did you see anything that might have seen Macca getting a red. With his previous form I was half expecting the red mist from him.
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: For me it all changed when Coops made his substitutions , taking Rangr off we lost the only target man we had , from that point we got pinned further and further back and I don't think Storey even saw the ball . As soon as Ranger came off Mcormack started rushing us down the right he put 3 brilliant balls across and only a matter of time gefore someone got on the end of one , but even then Wes rolled the ball to Ward who squares it and there is no breather they were straight back at us and you are right Dougie and McCormack put the work in , which when you think about it is exactly what Brrentford lacked last season so they fixed it with two of our players . Also I don't think Mason is fit or why we had Byrne marking Donaldson again and then Ajose who will get in the rightplace but isn't the play maker for Ranger we were really suspect all down that left side and Brentford knew it .We must have realised we did'nt have target so Ward starts to try to play up front . Up to hafl tmie I was enjoying the game even 15 mins into second half but then we just capitulated and they battered us for 15 mins we were pinned down and it ws game over , Some of those young uns think they are better than they actually are , must have been 4 times they had the ball taken right off their toes n dangerous positions while they thought about what to do next . Still a lot to do IMO[/p][/quote]Always good to read an account from someone who was there Hertz. With regards to Byrne's having to cope with Donaldson, according to Sam that decision may have been forced on Coops as Jay was not 100% fit from a dead leg. Storey is never going to shine up front without having a big guy like Ranger along side him, so unless Nile was tired or suffering some effects from his car crash, yes I agree very strange decision taking him off. On Sam's match day report it was said MacCormack twice gave Kasim a kicking off the ball, but none of the officials saw it, did you see anything that might have seen Macca getting a red. With his previous form I was half expecting the red mist from him. old town robin

10:14am Fri 27 Dec 13

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
A major plus during the PDC era was the goalkeeping coaching and discipline. The Italian coach, whose name escapes me now, kept Foderingham sharp. We rarely saw the communication lapses we get occasionally now and I think he was much more positive and in charge of his area then. Fraser Digby will always be a Town playing legend. I have my doubts about him as a coach.
I agree Den! Fodds is struggling under Diggers and is making too many mistakes! clubs looking at him must be having second thoughts,also the price is going down,which Power won't like!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: A major plus during the PDC era was the goalkeeping coaching and discipline. The Italian coach, whose name escapes me now, kept Foderingham sharp. We rarely saw the communication lapses we get occasionally now and I think he was much more positive and in charge of his area then. Fraser Digby will always be a Town playing legend. I have my doubts about him as a coach.[/p][/quote]I agree Den! Fodds is struggling under Diggers and is making too many mistakes! clubs looking at him must be having second thoughts,also the price is going down,which Power won't like!!!!!!!!! the don69

10:15am Fri 27 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.
Den,

You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine".

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.[/p][/quote]Den, You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine". COYMR Oxon-Red

10:19am Fri 27 Dec 13

alchafreds says...

old town robin wrote:
the wizard wrote:
You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.
Have to agree with you Wiz, first thing I thought reading this article, how can he include the biggest culprit of poor defending Ward as inexperienced, he was most at fault for the third goal and after seeing the goals on Football Express, I also have to agree with Cooper when he says it was a school boy error. Ward was too slow to clear it and at the risk of getting the dreaded thumbs down, I have to say he has to go, he's a liability and IMO he has rarely shown this season the required quality of leadership at the back this team of youngsters need.
been a liability all season cost us lots of goals with his shocking defending
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.[/p][/quote]Have to agree with you Wiz, first thing I thought reading this article, how can he include the biggest culprit of poor defending Ward as inexperienced, he was most at fault for the third goal and after seeing the goals on Football Express, I also have to agree with Cooper when he says it was a school boy error. Ward was too slow to clear it and at the risk of getting the dreaded thumbs down, I have to say he has to go, he's a liability and IMO he has rarely shown this season the required quality of leadership at the back this team of youngsters need.[/p][/quote]been a liability all season cost us lots of goals with his shocking defending alchafreds

10:37am Fri 27 Dec 13

umpcah says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.
Den,

You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine".

COYMR
Of course Jed couldn`t say something along those lines ! However surely 90% of fans realise Town`s team is a makeshift accumulation and if reasonably watchable footie keeps us in League One for the time being all is well ? Roll on the day when the set-up is mature enough to do what Brentford seem to be doing ! That is going for a place in The Championship !
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.[/p][/quote]Den, You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine". COYMR[/p][/quote]Of course Jed couldn`t say something along those lines ! However surely 90% of fans realise Town`s team is a makeshift accumulation and if reasonably watchable footie keeps us in League One for the time being all is well ? Roll on the day when the set-up is mature enough to do what Brentford seem to be doing ! That is going for a place in The Championship ! umpcah

10:41am Fri 27 Dec 13

Bassett Hound says...

the wizard wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
the wizard wrote:
You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.
Our goal keeper is not as good as we all think. He contributes to the mistakes but gets away with criticism because Ward takes most of the blame. Did he not fail to call yesterday with the 3rd goal ?
He made a lot of mistakes at the end of last year that cost us a better play off position. He does not dominate his area and is not to special on crosses,he is however a terrific shot stopper,but his judgement in coming of his line could be better. I have never quite understood the god like status he has at Swindon.
Just my opinion of course. Hope every one had a good christmas.
BH, I've said for a while and again recently, he is a shadow of the player he was while training with PDC's goal keeping coach. Digby had a brilliant career here, but coach he aint.
I agree wizard,to much of a coincidence to that since the change he has not been the same confidant keeper he was.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.[/p][/quote]Our goal keeper is not as good as we all think. He contributes to the mistakes but gets away with criticism because Ward takes most of the blame. Did he not fail to call yesterday with the 3rd goal ? He made a lot of mistakes at the end of last year that cost us a better play off position. He does not dominate his area and is not to special on crosses,he is however a terrific shot stopper,but his judgement in coming of his line could be better. I have never quite understood the god like status he has at Swindon. Just my opinion of course. Hope every one had a good christmas.[/p][/quote]BH, I've said for a while and again recently, he is a shadow of the player he was while training with PDC's goal keeping coach. Digby had a brilliant career here, but coach he aint.[/p][/quote]I agree wizard,to much of a coincidence to that since the change he has not been the same confidant keeper he was. Bassett Hound

10:42am Fri 27 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

hertz wrote:
For me it all changed when Coops made his substitutions , taking Rangr off we lost the only target man we had , from that point we got pinned further and further back and I don't think Storey even saw the ball . As soon as Ranger came off Mcormack started rushing us down the right he put 3 brilliant balls across and only a matter of time gefore someone got on the end of one , but even then Wes rolled the ball to Ward who squares it and there is no breather they were straight back at us and you are right Dougie and McCormack put the work in , which when you think about it is exactly what Brrentford lacked last season so they fixed it with two of our players . Also I don't think Mason is fit or why we had Byrne marking Donaldson again and then Ajose who will get in the rightplace but isn't the play maker for Ranger we were really suspect all down that left side and Brentford knew it .We must have realised we did'nt have target so Ward starts to try to play up front . Up to hafl tmie I was enjoying the game even 15 mins into second half but then we just capitulated and they battered us for 15 mins we were pinned down and it ws game over , Some of those young uns think they are better than they actually are , must have been 4 times they had the ball taken right off their toes n dangerous positions while they thought about what to do next .
Still a lot to do IMO
Posted the other day about the average age of the team (22.5). Take Ward out, put Troy in and it drops to 21. Most of these young players are ours and most are in their first full season so are very much learning the game. Some probably do think they are better than they are but IMO they will probably play at a higher level in due course.

It sounds like we had a few injury/illness problems and players who probably shouldn't have played had to fill in. Mason was subbed at half time on Saturday and, without Jay fit, Byrne was the only option.

Potentially we have 3 decent players ready to return in the next few weeks. Alex Smith looked very good at QPR before his injury, Reis showed glimpses of ability and Troy could be anything, he did help shore up a Carlisle back four that was shipping goals for fun early in the season.

Two entertaining games so far over Christmas against two of the best teams in the league and 3 points isn't a bad haul. We all want to win every game but we saw/read the reaction to the boring way. Football at the end of the day is about entertainment and although I didn't go yesterday I was certainly entertained on Saturday.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: For me it all changed when Coops made his substitutions , taking Rangr off we lost the only target man we had , from that point we got pinned further and further back and I don't think Storey even saw the ball . As soon as Ranger came off Mcormack started rushing us down the right he put 3 brilliant balls across and only a matter of time gefore someone got on the end of one , but even then Wes rolled the ball to Ward who squares it and there is no breather they were straight back at us and you are right Dougie and McCormack put the work in , which when you think about it is exactly what Brrentford lacked last season so they fixed it with two of our players . Also I don't think Mason is fit or why we had Byrne marking Donaldson again and then Ajose who will get in the rightplace but isn't the play maker for Ranger we were really suspect all down that left side and Brentford knew it .We must have realised we did'nt have target so Ward starts to try to play up front . Up to hafl tmie I was enjoying the game even 15 mins into second half but then we just capitulated and they battered us for 15 mins we were pinned down and it ws game over , Some of those young uns think they are better than they actually are , must have been 4 times they had the ball taken right off their toes n dangerous positions while they thought about what to do next . Still a lot to do IMO[/p][/quote]Posted the other day about the average age of the team (22.5). Take Ward out, put Troy in and it drops to 21. Most of these young players are ours and most are in their first full season so are very much learning the game. Some probably do think they are better than they are but IMO they will probably play at a higher level in due course. It sounds like we had a few injury/illness problems and players who probably shouldn't have played had to fill in. Mason was subbed at half time on Saturday and, without Jay fit, Byrne was the only option. Potentially we have 3 decent players ready to return in the next few weeks. Alex Smith looked very good at QPR before his injury, Reis showed glimpses of ability and Troy could be anything, he did help shore up a Carlisle back four that was shipping goals for fun early in the season. Two entertaining games so far over Christmas against two of the best teams in the league and 3 points isn't a bad haul. We all want to win every game but we saw/read the reaction to the boring way. Football at the end of the day is about entertainment and although I didn't go yesterday I was certainly entertained on Saturday. COYMR Oxon-Red

10:45am Fri 27 Dec 13

sally2 says...

alchafreds wrote:
old town robin wrote:
the wizard wrote: You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.
Have to agree with you Wiz, first thing I thought reading this article, how can he include the biggest culprit of poor defending Ward as inexperienced, he was most at fault for the third goal and after seeing the goals on Football Express, I also have to agree with Cooper when he says it was a school boy error. Ward was too slow to clear it and at the risk of getting the dreaded thumbs down, I have to say he has to go, he's a liability and IMO he has rarely shown this season the required quality of leadership at the back this team of youngsters need.
been a liability all season cost us lots of goals with his shocking defending
last season our defence made fodders look better than he was.He is an excellant keeper,but has never looked goo in a tussle and doesn't command his area enough. The best reflex keeper in the division but can improve in other departments
Mike
[quote][p][bold]alchafreds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: You can call Ward a lot of things but inexperienced is not on that list.[/p][/quote]Have to agree with you Wiz, first thing I thought reading this article, how can he include the biggest culprit of poor defending Ward as inexperienced, he was most at fault for the third goal and after seeing the goals on Football Express, I also have to agree with Cooper when he says it was a school boy error. Ward was too slow to clear it and at the risk of getting the dreaded thumbs down, I have to say he has to go, he's a liability and IMO he has rarely shown this season the required quality of leadership at the back this team of youngsters need.[/p][/quote]been a liability all season cost us lots of goals with his shocking defending[/p][/quote]last season our defence made fodders look better than he was.He is an excellant keeper,but has never looked goo in a tussle and doesn't command his area enough. The best reflex keeper in the division but can improve in other departments Mike sally2

10:55am Fri 27 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.
Den,

You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine".

COYMR
Oxon, I don't see why he couldn't have said something more realistic, like "We're in the process of rebuilding, so expectations shouldn't be too high this season." To tell the manager one thing and the fans almost the complete opposite is plain wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.[/p][/quote]Den, You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine". COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, I don't see why he couldn't have said something more realistic, like "We're in the process of rebuilding, so expectations shouldn't be too high this season." To tell the manager one thing and the fans almost the complete opposite is plain wrong. Oi Den!

10:58am Fri 27 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

umpcah wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.
Den,

You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine".

COYMR
Of course Jed couldn`t say something along those lines ! However surely 90% of fans realise Town`s team is a makeshift accumulation and if reasonably watchable footie keeps us in League One for the time being all is well ? Roll on the day when the set-up is mature enough to do what Brentford seem to be doing ! That is going for a place in The Championship !
Which is why I said it, why have a dig at someone because they have the same hopes as all fans on this board i.e. success for STFC

What Brentford did took time and a decent amount of finance. They aint there yet and if they fail this season the older players are a year older and the younger ones may get itchy feet.

Agree we have to wait for the set-up to be mature enough but don't we as fans also have to be mature enough to realise that it doesn't happen overnight and, as the last few seasons have shown, it cannot always be bought.

I said at the start of the season that I believe, if we could keep the core of this team together, that next season could be a good one.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.[/p][/quote]Den, You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine". COYMR[/p][/quote]Of course Jed couldn`t say something along those lines ! However surely 90% of fans realise Town`s team is a makeshift accumulation and if reasonably watchable footie keeps us in League One for the time being all is well ? Roll on the day when the set-up is mature enough to do what Brentford seem to be doing ! That is going for a place in The Championship ![/p][/quote]Which is why I said it, why have a dig at someone because they have the same hopes as all fans on this board i.e. success for STFC What Brentford did took time and a decent amount of finance. They aint there yet and if they fail this season the older players are a year older and the younger ones may get itchy feet. Agree we have to wait for the set-up to be mature enough but don't we as fans also have to be mature enough to realise that it doesn't happen overnight and, as the last few seasons have shown, it cannot always be bought. I said at the start of the season that I believe, if we could keep the core of this team together, that next season could be a good one. COYMR Oxon-Red

11:05am Fri 27 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.
Den,

You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine".

COYMR
Oxon, I don't see why he couldn't have said something more realistic, like "We're in the process of rebuilding, so expectations shouldn't be too high this season." To tell the manager one thing and the fans almost the complete opposite is plain wrong.
Possibly, but is it what the fans want to hear and does that help ticket sales ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.[/p][/quote]Den, You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine". COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, I don't see why he couldn't have said something more realistic, like "We're in the process of rebuilding, so expectations shouldn't be too high this season." To tell the manager one thing and the fans almost the complete opposite is plain wrong.[/p][/quote]Possibly, but is it what the fans want to hear and does that help ticket sales ? COYMR Oxon-Red

11:19am Fri 27 Dec 13

jayden says...

Did not go yesterday although I did listen to the game on the radio . It seemed that after the second goal the game was up .On to Bradford now the score could be anything but 0-0 two very different styles of play, our centre backs will need to get there act together for this game . We need to get to 55 points as soon as possible and start building the team for next year asp .
Did not go yesterday although I did listen to the game on the radio . It seemed that after the second goal the game was up .On to Bradford now the score could be anything but 0-0 two very different styles of play, our centre backs will need to get there act together for this game . We need to get to 55 points as soon as possible and start building the team for next year asp . jayden

11:21am Fri 27 Dec 13

Graham8181 says...

Wes Fodders has been starting to slip with his standards lately. How he did not save that free kick was beyond me. It went straight passed his face. I said to a couple of brentford fans before game there would be lots of goals and brentford would nick it, also to watch our defence and it's b***dy awful. Oh how right I was. Ward needs to be dropped and any chance we could replace Fodders with their keeper?!? Unlucky not to get anything from this game, seems to be a common theme though saying this
Wes Fodders has been starting to slip with his standards lately. How he did not save that free kick was beyond me. It went straight passed his face. I said to a couple of brentford fans before game there would be lots of goals and brentford would nick it, also to watch our defence and it's b***dy awful. Oh how right I was. Ward needs to be dropped and any chance we could replace Fodders with their keeper?!? Unlucky not to get anything from this game, seems to be a common theme though saying this Graham8181

11:31am Fri 27 Dec 13

Psychedelic Syd says...

I think any goalkeeper would look a little suspect behind our defence. Our central defence is a shambles and opposition teams exploit the way our full backs get themselves out of position. When other teams get the ball down our flanks they don't fiddle about like we do, they whip the ball straight over knowing that we have Laurel and Hardy waiting in the box to help their attackers score. It is embarrassing.

I feel more annoyed than anything about Brentford - far too many below par performances from people like Ajose, Luongo and Byrne. I usually rate Luongo and Byrne highly but they were awful. Ajose has not convinced me in his time with us and should have been subbed at half time when it was obvious he was being totally ineffectual. His goal was a gift after a deflection from a Pritchard shot came straight to him a few yards from goal, only thing he did in the whole match. Luongo must have been hallucinating because on several occasions he hit long balls down the left wing to absolutely no-one. Byrne was left exposed and unable to cope down the left. We were so sloppy it was infuriating.

McCormick definitely kicked Kasim in the first half after the ball had gone before Brentford's first equaliser. He should have gone. The ref was dire for the first half hour and simply weak and poor thereafter. Idiotic of Cooper to take Ranger off when we were chasing the game, we all know Storey can't play a lone striker role. The game was there for the taking.

Hope Troy can get back in fast and try and add some solidity at the back but some of the weaknesses are due to our tactical naiveté. Idiotic fiddling about from the back yet again - opposition teams have all got that piece of nonsense sussed out and put us straight onto the back foot again with our defenders dashing around like headless chickens amongst the mayhem. Yes there were some positives in the match but it was maddening to watch us throw it away. I still feel angry today.
I think any goalkeeper would look a little suspect behind our defence. Our central defence is a shambles and opposition teams exploit the way our full backs get themselves out of position. When other teams get the ball down our flanks they don't fiddle about like we do, they whip the ball straight over knowing that we have Laurel and Hardy waiting in the box to help their attackers score. It is embarrassing. I feel more annoyed than anything about Brentford - far too many below par performances from people like Ajose, Luongo and Byrne. I usually rate Luongo and Byrne highly but they were awful. Ajose has not convinced me in his time with us and should have been subbed at half time when it was obvious he was being totally ineffectual. His goal was a gift after a deflection from a Pritchard shot came straight to him a few yards from goal, only thing he did in the whole match. Luongo must have been hallucinating because on several occasions he hit long balls down the left wing to absolutely no-one. Byrne was left exposed and unable to cope down the left. We were so sloppy it was infuriating. McCormick definitely kicked Kasim in the first half after the ball had gone before Brentford's first equaliser. He should have gone. The ref was dire for the first half hour and simply weak and poor thereafter. Idiotic of Cooper to take Ranger off when we were chasing the game, we all know Storey can't play a lone striker role. The game was there for the taking. Hope Troy can get back in fast and try and add some solidity at the back but some of the weaknesses are due to our tactical naiveté. Idiotic fiddling about from the back yet again - opposition teams have all got that piece of nonsense sussed out and put us straight onto the back foot again with our defenders dashing around like headless chickens amongst the mayhem. Yes there were some positives in the match but it was maddening to watch us throw it away. I still feel angry today. Psychedelic Syd

11:36am Fri 27 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.
Den,

You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine".

COYMR
Oxon, I don't see why he couldn't have said something more realistic, like "We're in the process of rebuilding, so expectations shouldn't be too high this season." To tell the manager one thing and the fans almost the complete opposite is plain wrong.
Possibly, but is it what the fans want to hear and does that help ticket sales ?

COYMR
Ah, Oxon, you want the fans to be mature enough to realise that it doesn't happen overnight but you're quite content for the chairman to pretend otherwise? Ticket sales on false pretences, aka taking people for mugs, is not the way to win the hearts and minds of fans.

I believe McCrory would have gained immediate respect if he'd given an honest appraisal of the situation facing the club when he came in. He would certainly have had my respect anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.[/p][/quote]Den, You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine". COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, I don't see why he couldn't have said something more realistic, like "We're in the process of rebuilding, so expectations shouldn't be too high this season." To tell the manager one thing and the fans almost the complete opposite is plain wrong.[/p][/quote]Possibly, but is it what the fans want to hear and does that help ticket sales ? COYMR[/p][/quote]Ah, Oxon, you want the fans to be mature enough to realise that it doesn't happen overnight but you're quite content for the chairman to pretend otherwise? Ticket sales on false pretences, aka taking people for mugs, is not the way to win the hearts and minds of fans. I believe McCrory would have gained immediate respect if he'd given an honest appraisal of the situation facing the club when he came in. He would certainly have had my respect anyway. Oi Den!

11:47am Fri 27 Dec 13

smirg kcab says...

Looks Like sack digby then?
Looks Like sack digby then? smirg kcab

12:11pm Fri 27 Dec 13

bradley red 1 says...

I am annoyed by your comments mr cooper,and question your experience in statements like that ! ward and hall has not worked from day one,too many mistakes and i also question fraser digbys role ,is he really coach material?? i think not.
I am annoyed by your comments mr cooper,and question your experience in statements like that ! ward and hall has not worked from day one,too many mistakes and i also question fraser digbys role ,is he really coach material?? i think not. bradley red 1

12:20pm Fri 27 Dec 13

smirg kcab says...

Psychedelic Syd wrote:
I think any goalkeeper would look a little suspect behind our defence. Our central defence is a shambles and opposition teams exploit the way our full backs get themselves out of position. When other teams get the ball down our flanks they don't fiddle about like we do, they whip the ball straight over knowing that we have Laurel and Hardy waiting in the box to help their attackers score. It is embarrassing.

I feel more annoyed than anything about Brentford - far too many below par performances from people like Ajose, Luongo and Byrne. I usually rate Luongo and Byrne highly but they were awful. Ajose has not convinced me in his time with us and should have been subbed at half time when it was obvious he was being totally ineffectual. His goal was a gift after a deflection from a Pritchard shot came straight to him a few yards from goal, only thing he did in the whole match. Luongo must have been hallucinating because on several occasions he hit long balls down the left wing to absolutely no-one. Byrne was left exposed and unable to cope down the left. We were so sloppy it was infuriating.

McCormick definitely kicked Kasim in the first half after the ball had gone before Brentford's first equaliser. He should have gone. The ref was dire for the first half hour and simply weak and poor thereafter. Idiotic of Cooper to take Ranger off when we were chasing the game, we all know Storey can't play a lone striker role. The game was there for the taking.

Hope Troy can get back in fast and try and add some solidity at the back but some of the weaknesses are due to our tactical naiveté. Idiotic fiddling about from the back yet again - opposition teams have all got that piece of nonsense sussed out and put us straight onto the back foot again with our defenders dashing around like headless chickens amongst the mayhem. Yes there were some positives in the match but it was maddening to watch us throw it away. I still feel angry today.
Troy is **** and we can't afford his appearance money don't understand anyone who wants that injured deadbeat in the side.
At least you see an attacking display yesterday had they played like we did at Sheffield over 1,000 post would have wanted cooper removed no doubt. We are a young side and as I said many times we will lose as many as we win.
[quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: I think any goalkeeper would look a little suspect behind our defence. Our central defence is a shambles and opposition teams exploit the way our full backs get themselves out of position. When other teams get the ball down our flanks they don't fiddle about like we do, they whip the ball straight over knowing that we have Laurel and Hardy waiting in the box to help their attackers score. It is embarrassing. I feel more annoyed than anything about Brentford - far too many below par performances from people like Ajose, Luongo and Byrne. I usually rate Luongo and Byrne highly but they were awful. Ajose has not convinced me in his time with us and should have been subbed at half time when it was obvious he was being totally ineffectual. His goal was a gift after a deflection from a Pritchard shot came straight to him a few yards from goal, only thing he did in the whole match. Luongo must have been hallucinating because on several occasions he hit long balls down the left wing to absolutely no-one. Byrne was left exposed and unable to cope down the left. We were so sloppy it was infuriating. McCormick definitely kicked Kasim in the first half after the ball had gone before Brentford's first equaliser. He should have gone. The ref was dire for the first half hour and simply weak and poor thereafter. Idiotic of Cooper to take Ranger off when we were chasing the game, we all know Storey can't play a lone striker role. The game was there for the taking. Hope Troy can get back in fast and try and add some solidity at the back but some of the weaknesses are due to our tactical naiveté. Idiotic fiddling about from the back yet again - opposition teams have all got that piece of nonsense sussed out and put us straight onto the back foot again with our defenders dashing around like headless chickens amongst the mayhem. Yes there were some positives in the match but it was maddening to watch us throw it away. I still feel angry today.[/p][/quote]Troy is **** and we can't afford his appearance money don't understand anyone who wants that injured deadbeat in the side. At least you see an attacking display yesterday had they played like we did at Sheffield over 1,000 post would have wanted cooper removed no doubt. We are a young side and as I said many times we will lose as many as we win. smirg kcab

12:57pm Fri 27 Dec 13

alchafreds says...

any idea why cooper has dropped danny nguesson always works hard dont get it
any idea why cooper has dropped danny nguesson always works hard dont get it alchafreds

1:11pm Fri 27 Dec 13

the wizard says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Looks Like sack digby then?
Phone call to Sherwood then, Hi Tim, any chance we could get Clemence down here to give Wes some intensive training and a quick course on mind reading, as nobody knows what our defence will do next ? LOL
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Looks Like sack digby then?[/p][/quote]Phone call to Sherwood then, Hi Tim, any chance we could get Clemence down here to give Wes some intensive training and a quick course on mind reading, as nobody knows what our defence will do next ? LOL the wizard

1:15pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Davidsyrett says...

alchafreds wrote:
any idea why cooper has dropped danny nguesson always works hard dont get it
he was ill!
[quote][p][bold]alchafreds[/bold] wrote: any idea why cooper has dropped danny nguesson always works hard dont get it[/p][/quote]he was ill! Davidsyrett

1:22pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Davidsyrett says...

As I have been saying for a little while, whilst the defence is fragile (especially away) Wes is not inspiring confidence, he has no real command of the area and too often tries to punch the ball rather than catch it, whether it's down to Digby or not who knows, but he has to improve in that area of his game if he's really going to make a step up the league if he moves on this January. I would take £500K for him if the money is to be re-invested back into the team.
As I have been saying for a little while, whilst the defence is fragile (especially away) Wes is not inspiring confidence, he has no real command of the area and too often tries to punch the ball rather than catch it, whether it's down to Digby or not who knows, but he has to improve in that area of his game if he's really going to make a step up the league if he moves on this January. I would take £500K for him if the money is to be re-invested back into the team. Davidsyrett

1:25pm Fri 27 Dec 13

alchafreds says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
alchafreds wrote:
any idea why cooper has dropped danny nguesson always works hard dont get it
he was ill!
oh thank you didnt realise
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alchafreds[/bold] wrote: any idea why cooper has dropped danny nguesson always works hard dont get it[/p][/quote]he was ill![/p][/quote]oh thank you didnt realise alchafreds

2:29pm Fri 27 Dec 13

dazzastfc says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Psychedelic Syd wrote:
I think any goalkeeper would look a little suspect behind our defence. Our central defence is a shambles and opposition teams exploit the way our full backs get themselves out of position. When other teams get the ball down our flanks they don't fiddle about like we do, they whip the ball straight over knowing that we have Laurel and Hardy waiting in the box to help their attackers score. It is embarrassing.

I feel more annoyed than anything about Brentford - far too many below par performances from people like Ajose, Luongo and Byrne. I usually rate Luongo and Byrne highly but they were awful. Ajose has not convinced me in his time with us and should have been subbed at half time when it was obvious he was being totally ineffectual. His goal was a gift after a deflection from a Pritchard shot came straight to him a few yards from goal, only thing he did in the whole match. Luongo must have been hallucinating because on several occasions he hit long balls down the left wing to absolutely no-one. Byrne was left exposed and unable to cope down the left. We were so sloppy it was infuriating.

McCormick definitely kicked Kasim in the first half after the ball had gone before Brentford's first equaliser. He should have gone. The ref was dire for the first half hour and simply weak and poor thereafter. Idiotic of Cooper to take Ranger off when we were chasing the game, we all know Storey can't play a lone striker role. The game was there for the taking.

Hope Troy can get back in fast and try and add some solidity at the back but some of the weaknesses are due to our tactical naiveté. Idiotic fiddling about from the back yet again - opposition teams have all got that piece of nonsense sussed out and put us straight onto the back foot again with our defenders dashing around like headless chickens amongst the mayhem. Yes there were some positives in the match but it was maddening to watch us throw it away. I still feel angry today.
Troy is **** and we can't afford his appearance money don't understand anyone who wants that injured deadbeat in the side.
At least you see an attacking display yesterday had they played like we did at Sheffield over 1,000 post would have wanted cooper removed no doubt. We are a young side and as I said many times we will lose as many as we win.
SPOT ON Smirg
We we can't afford TAH appearance money....

Cooper AND Power say they know what is kneaded but I dont think Cooper has a clue..

He cant find a balance in tactics with defending and attacking..
He has no idea in how to make the team work as a unit....

OK The football looks nice at times BUT playing nice football without the team playing as a unit gets you nil points..
If we keep defending and playing the same way as we are we could be looking at the other end of the table at the end of January..
some very tricky games ahead..BUT of course if we win them we will be back in the playoff places
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: I think any goalkeeper would look a little suspect behind our defence. Our central defence is a shambles and opposition teams exploit the way our full backs get themselves out of position. When other teams get the ball down our flanks they don't fiddle about like we do, they whip the ball straight over knowing that we have Laurel and Hardy waiting in the box to help their attackers score. It is embarrassing. I feel more annoyed than anything about Brentford - far too many below par performances from people like Ajose, Luongo and Byrne. I usually rate Luongo and Byrne highly but they were awful. Ajose has not convinced me in his time with us and should have been subbed at half time when it was obvious he was being totally ineffectual. His goal was a gift after a deflection from a Pritchard shot came straight to him a few yards from goal, only thing he did in the whole match. Luongo must have been hallucinating because on several occasions he hit long balls down the left wing to absolutely no-one. Byrne was left exposed and unable to cope down the left. We were so sloppy it was infuriating. McCormick definitely kicked Kasim in the first half after the ball had gone before Brentford's first equaliser. He should have gone. The ref was dire for the first half hour and simply weak and poor thereafter. Idiotic of Cooper to take Ranger off when we were chasing the game, we all know Storey can't play a lone striker role. The game was there for the taking. Hope Troy can get back in fast and try and add some solidity at the back but some of the weaknesses are due to our tactical naiveté. Idiotic fiddling about from the back yet again - opposition teams have all got that piece of nonsense sussed out and put us straight onto the back foot again with our defenders dashing around like headless chickens amongst the mayhem. Yes there were some positives in the match but it was maddening to watch us throw it away. I still feel angry today.[/p][/quote]Troy is **** and we can't afford his appearance money don't understand anyone who wants that injured deadbeat in the side. At least you see an attacking display yesterday had they played like we did at Sheffield over 1,000 post would have wanted cooper removed no doubt. We are a young side and as I said many times we will lose as many as we win.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON Smirg We we can't afford TAH appearance money.... Cooper AND Power say they know what is kneaded but I dont think Cooper has a clue.. He cant find a balance in tactics with defending and attacking.. He has no idea in how to make the team work as a unit.... OK The football looks nice at times BUT playing nice football without the team playing as a unit gets you nil points.. If we keep defending and playing the same way as we are we could be looking at the other end of the table at the end of January.. some very tricky games ahead..BUT of course if we win them we will be back in the playoff places dazzastfc

2:35pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.
Den,

You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine".

COYMR
Oxon, I don't see why he couldn't have said something more realistic, like "We're in the process of rebuilding, so expectations shouldn't be too high this season." To tell the manager one thing and the fans almost the complete opposite is plain wrong.
Possibly, but is it what the fans want to hear and does that help ticket sales ?

COYMR
Ah, Oxon, you want the fans to be mature enough to realise that it doesn't happen overnight but you're quite content for the chairman to pretend otherwise? Ticket sales on false pretences, aka taking people for mugs, is not the way to win the hearts and minds of fans.

I believe McCrory would have gained immediate respect if he'd given an honest appraisal of the situation facing the club when he came in. He would certainly have had my respect anyway.
He would have been crucified if he had said that and if it is selling tickets under false pretences I would like my season ticket money back from when Fitton, Black and co came in.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Correct Wiz but what we have is a squad of largely talented footballers who are also very naive. If the club was serious about promotion, the summer recruitment would have included at least a couple of seasoned professionals. We now know of course that talk of a promotion challenge was yet more McCrory bull, as Cooper's told us that his given target was to avoid relegation. When you look at the composition of the squad, it is easy to see that McCrory was being realistic with the manager, even if he couldn't bring himself to do the same with the fans.[/p][/quote]Den, You are probably right about the seasoned pro's but what would the reaction have been had Jed said "We are in for a season where we will struggle and we hope to avoid being relegated, 20th would suit us fine". COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, I don't see why he couldn't have said something more realistic, like "We're in the process of rebuilding, so expectations shouldn't be too high this season." To tell the manager one thing and the fans almost the complete opposite is plain wrong.[/p][/quote]Possibly, but is it what the fans want to hear and does that help ticket sales ? COYMR[/p][/quote]Ah, Oxon, you want the fans to be mature enough to realise that it doesn't happen overnight but you're quite content for the chairman to pretend otherwise? Ticket sales on false pretences, aka taking people for mugs, is not the way to win the hearts and minds of fans. I believe McCrory would have gained immediate respect if he'd given an honest appraisal of the situation facing the club when he came in. He would certainly have had my respect anyway.[/p][/quote]He would have been crucified if he had said that and if it is selling tickets under false pretences I would like my season ticket money back from when Fitton, Black and co came in. COYMR Oxon-Red

3:45pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Come on Oxon. He wouldn't have been crucified if he had told the fans the team couldn't be rebuilt overnight. Far from it - people would have respected the honesty. It would have been a good deal better than all the bull about a large playing budget and a promotion challenge. I fail to see the comparison you make with the previous regime. What lies did they tell us?
Come on Oxon. He wouldn't have been crucified if he had told the fans the team couldn't be rebuilt overnight. Far from it - people would have respected the honesty. It would have been a good deal better than all the bull about a large playing budget and a promotion challenge. I fail to see the comparison you make with the previous regime. What lies did they tell us? Oi Den!

3:52pm Fri 27 Dec 13

mickry says...

You only have to look at the goals for and against to see where our problem lies. Plenty scored, but plenty conceded. If Archibald-Henville is not fit to play by January, sign a decdent defender. There should be some money available from the savings on Ranger's wages.
Mick
You only have to look at the goals for and against to see where our problem lies. Plenty scored, but plenty conceded. If Archibald-Henville is not fit to play by January, sign a decdent defender. There should be some money available from the savings on Ranger's wages. Mick mickry

4:33pm Fri 27 Dec 13

dazzastfc says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Come on Oxon. He wouldn't have been crucified if he had told the fans the team couldn't be rebuilt overnight. Far from it - people would have respected the honesty. It would have been a good deal better than all the bull about a large playing budget and a promotion challenge. I fail to see the comparison you make with the previous regime. What lies did they tell us?
Still dont understand were some on here think we are in a rebuilding progress...
Are situation this season was to slash the budget and that we have done,hence all the loan players.and if the we lose 2_3 players in January in which power and cooper thinks we will were roes that put the rebuilding ???
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Come on Oxon. He wouldn't have been crucified if he had told the fans the team couldn't be rebuilt overnight. Far from it - people would have respected the honesty. It would have been a good deal better than all the bull about a large playing budget and a promotion challenge. I fail to see the comparison you make with the previous regime. What lies did they tell us?[/p][/quote]Still dont understand were some on here think we are in a rebuilding progress... Are situation this season was to slash the budget and that we have done,hence all the loan players.and if the we lose 2_3 players in January in which power and cooper thinks we will were roes that put the rebuilding ??? dazzastfc

4:42pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Hampshire_ReD says...

Graham8181 wrote:
Wes Fodders has been starting to slip with his standards lately. How he did not save that free kick was beyond me. It went straight passed his face. I said to a couple of brentford fans before game there would be lots of goals and brentford would nick it, also to watch our defence and it's b***dy awful. Oh how right I was. Ward needs to be dropped and any chance we could replace Fodders with their keeper?!? Unlucky not to get anything from this game, seems to be a common theme though saying this
Not surprised by Foderingham's low form and energy, given he's played so many games and is now about to be sold.

Cooper's style of football may be to some folks' taste, but personally I find it too negative.. We spend far too much time playing the ball back into our half, when closed down by the opposition.

For Wes, this means that he is very frequently involved in the continuous passing.

Contrast this to Paolo's more-attacking method. Wes was not involved in the play anywhere near as much, nor had to concentrate on the game so closely.

Frankly I'd take Wes Foderingham every time over Belford...but I suspect that view is not shared by all.
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Wes Fodders has been starting to slip with his standards lately. How he did not save that free kick was beyond me. It went straight passed his face. I said to a couple of brentford fans before game there would be lots of goals and brentford would nick it, also to watch our defence and it's b***dy awful. Oh how right I was. Ward needs to be dropped and any chance we could replace Fodders with their keeper?!? Unlucky not to get anything from this game, seems to be a common theme though saying this[/p][/quote]Not surprised by Foderingham's low form and energy, given he's played so many games and is now about to be sold. Cooper's style of football may be to some folks' taste, but personally I find it too negative.. We spend far too much time playing the ball back into our half, when closed down by the opposition. For Wes, this means that he is very frequently involved in the continuous passing. Contrast this to Paolo's more-attacking method. Wes was not involved in the play anywhere near as much, nor had to concentrate on the game so closely. Frankly I'd take Wes Foderingham every time over Belford...but I suspect that view is not shared by all. Hampshire_ReD

4:42pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Come on Oxon. He wouldn't have been crucified if he had told the fans the team couldn't be rebuilt overnight. Far from it - people would have respected the honesty. It would have been a good deal better than all the bull about a large playing budget and a promotion challenge. I fail to see the comparison you make with the previous regime. What lies did they tell us?
Still dont understand were some on here think we are in a rebuilding progress...
Are situation this season was to slash the budget and that we have done,hence all the loan players.and if the we lose 2_3 players in January in which power and cooper thinks we will were roes that put the rebuilding ???
Have to say I have the same doubts Daz. Come the start of next season, we'll find out whether this season was part of a rebuilding process or not.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Come on Oxon. He wouldn't have been crucified if he had told the fans the team couldn't be rebuilt overnight. Far from it - people would have respected the honesty. It would have been a good deal better than all the bull about a large playing budget and a promotion challenge. I fail to see the comparison you make with the previous regime. What lies did they tell us?[/p][/quote]Still dont understand were some on here think we are in a rebuilding progress... Are situation this season was to slash the budget and that we have done,hence all the loan players.and if the we lose 2_3 players in January in which power and cooper thinks we will were roes that put the rebuilding ???[/p][/quote]Have to say I have the same doubts Daz. Come the start of next season, we'll find out whether this season was part of a rebuilding process or not. Oi Den!

7:57pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Wilesy says...

Of course this season is rebuilding, as will next season when we've offloaded the remaining high earners and can bring in some more cheaper and fitter options.

Jed was hardly going to publicly say this season is for treading water. To be honest I'm surprised MC admitted the avoid relegation goal. Also surprised in his comments that he's bowed to public pressure in changing to having a go away from home rather than shutting up shop. Hopefully the end of the 4-6-0.

Read some interesting comments from James Beattie who said that you can train and prepare the team all you want but at this level he reckons its most important to get the players in the right frame of mind for kick off and hope that 9, 10 or 11 put in a shift. We've clearly got talented players, but away from home it's rare to see that many put in a shift.
Of course this season is rebuilding, as will next season when we've offloaded the remaining high earners and can bring in some more cheaper and fitter options. Jed was hardly going to publicly say this season is for treading water. To be honest I'm surprised MC admitted the avoid relegation goal. Also surprised in his comments that he's bowed to public pressure in changing to having a go away from home rather than shutting up shop. Hopefully the end of the 4-6-0. Read some interesting comments from James Beattie who said that you can train and prepare the team all you want but at this level he reckons its most important to get the players in the right frame of mind for kick off and hope that 9, 10 or 11 put in a shift. We've clearly got talented players, but away from home it's rare to see that many put in a shift. Wilesy

8:04pm Fri 27 Dec 13

dazzastfc says...

Hampshire_ReD wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Wes Fodders has been starting to slip with his standards lately. How he did not save that free kick was beyond me. It went straight passed his face. I said to a couple of brentford fans before game there would be lots of goals and brentford would nick it, also to watch our defence and it's b***dy awful. Oh how right I was. Ward needs to be dropped and any chance we could replace Fodders with their keeper?!? Unlucky not to get anything from this game, seems to be a common theme though saying this
Not surprised by Foderingham's low form and energy, given he's played so many games and is now about to be sold.

Cooper's style of football may be to some folks' taste, but personally I find it too negative.. We spend far too much time playing the ball back into our half, when closed down by the opposition.

For Wes, this means that he is very frequently involved in the continuous passing.

Contrast this to Paolo's more-attacking method. Wes was not involved in the play anywhere near as much, nor had to concentrate on the game so closely.

Frankly I'd take Wes Foderingham every time over Belford...but I suspect that view is not shared by all.
I think your spot on..
Are style off football puts the hole team under pressure..
We dont have the players to play that way as we have seen all season..
Yes the football is nice BUT when we lose the ball the opponent rip use to pieces..
I dont think cooper Can come up with a tactic or style that makes the team work as 1...
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire_ReD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Wes Fodders has been starting to slip with his standards lately. How he did not save that free kick was beyond me. It went straight passed his face. I said to a couple of brentford fans before game there would be lots of goals and brentford would nick it, also to watch our defence and it's b***dy awful. Oh how right I was. Ward needs to be dropped and any chance we could replace Fodders with their keeper?!? Unlucky not to get anything from this game, seems to be a common theme though saying this[/p][/quote]Not surprised by Foderingham's low form and energy, given he's played so many games and is now about to be sold. Cooper's style of football may be to some folks' taste, but personally I find it too negative.. We spend far too much time playing the ball back into our half, when closed down by the opposition. For Wes, this means that he is very frequently involved in the continuous passing. Contrast this to Paolo's more-attacking method. Wes was not involved in the play anywhere near as much, nor had to concentrate on the game so closely. Frankly I'd take Wes Foderingham every time over Belford...but I suspect that view is not shared by all.[/p][/quote]I think your spot on.. Are style off football puts the hole team under pressure.. We dont have the players to play that way as we have seen all season.. Yes the football is nice BUT when we lose the ball the opponent rip use to pieces.. I dont think cooper Can come up with a tactic or style that makes the team work as 1... dazzastfc

8:50pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Come on Oxon. He wouldn't have been crucified if he had told the fans the team couldn't be rebuilt overnight. Far from it - people would have respected the honesty. It would have been a good deal better than all the bull about a large playing budget and a promotion challenge. I fail to see the comparison you make with the previous regime. What lies did they tell us?
Come on Den. He would and was crucified for having "no money". I know you would not have respected him as your constant posts diss him. He could do no right in your eyes so how you can say you would respect him is absolute ballacks.

I don't know if the original "same budget" statement was made truthfully or he was let down by someone pulling out, which they did (who , do we know, I don't know). If this statement was made when that backing was there then he was telling the truth. You seem to know that he was talking ballacks as your entire argument against him seems to be based on that statement.

Fitton had a 3 or 5 year plan to get into the Championship when he came in. What is the difference between that statement and that of McCrory ? Go back and see the original plans, I would not mind betting they are worded similarly but you trust one but not the other. What different wording has Lee Power used to convince you that he is okay ?

I was not pro Jed or against him when he came in but I was grateful he did and I was prepared to give him a chance. A chance is longer than 6 months. He looked at new revenue streams, which have been ridculed, but make perfect sense if you want to grow the business. He did make a mistake by trying to do it too quickly and then not advertising it properly but IMO it was the right move. The concert they put on should have made money with the right marketing as almost the same line-up sold out the O2 in LOndon over 5 night (100,000+ people) and a recent Christmas concert at the same venue sold out. The CD from the Christmas concert, when released, will likely go straight in at number 1.

If Black had pulled out 2 years earlier I suggest Jed would have been treated differently. Big difference is the league position and what followed i.e. relegation and missed promotion. Was the missed promotion Jed's fault or was it really Black's ? I won't knock Black because IMO he was screwed by Wray but I would say the missed promotion was more down to the withdrawal of funds than the lack of fresh ones.

But as you say if he had told the truth, which I assume you know he wasn't telling, then all would be rosey.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Come on Oxon. He wouldn't have been crucified if he had told the fans the team couldn't be rebuilt overnight. Far from it - people would have respected the honesty. It would have been a good deal better than all the bull about a large playing budget and a promotion challenge. I fail to see the comparison you make with the previous regime. What lies did they tell us?[/p][/quote]Come on Den. He would and was crucified for having "no money". I know you would not have respected him as your constant posts diss him. He could do no right in your eyes so how you can say you would respect him is absolute ballacks. I don't know if the original "same budget" statement was made truthfully or he was let down by someone pulling out, which they did (who , do we know, I don't know). If this statement was made when that backing was there then he was telling the truth. You seem to know that he was talking ballacks as your entire argument against him seems to be based on that statement. Fitton had a 3 or 5 year plan to get into the Championship when he came in. What is the difference between that statement and that of McCrory ? Go back and see the original plans, I would not mind betting they are worded similarly but you trust one but not the other. What different wording has Lee Power used to convince you that he is okay ? I was not pro Jed or against him when he came in but I was grateful he did and I was prepared to give him a chance. A chance is longer than 6 months. He looked at new revenue streams, which have been ridculed, but make perfect sense if you want to grow the business. He did make a mistake by trying to do it too quickly and then not advertising it properly but IMO it was the right move. The concert they put on should have made money with the right marketing as almost the same line-up sold out the O2 in LOndon over 5 night (100,000+ people) and a recent Christmas concert at the same venue sold out. The CD from the Christmas concert, when released, will likely go straight in at number 1. If Black had pulled out 2 years earlier I suggest Jed would have been treated differently. Big difference is the league position and what followed i.e. relegation and missed promotion. Was the missed promotion Jed's fault or was it really Black's ? I won't knock Black because IMO he was screwed by Wray but I would say the missed promotion was more down to the withdrawal of funds than the lack of fresh ones. But as you say if he had told the truth, which I assume you know he wasn't telling, then all would be rosey. COYMR Oxon-Red

10:33pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Oxon, why would I disrespect McCrory because he had no money? As it happens I still have no idea how much money he has. We have no divine right to expect the chairman/owner of our club to have money.
There are many former Town chairmen who were far from rich. That didn't inform my view of them.

We all know very well (you might not own up!) that McCrory bullsh*tted everyone on many issues. That's the only reason I found it hard to accept him as the man in charge of our club. I suspect that was also the reason Power finally decided he had to get him out.

Time will tell re Power. So far he deserves credit for his realism.
Oxon, why would I disrespect McCrory because he had no money? As it happens I still have no idea how much money he has. We have no divine right to expect the chairman/owner of our club to have money. There are many former Town chairmen who were far from rich. That didn't inform my view of them. We all know very well (you might not own up!) that McCrory bullsh*tted everyone on many issues. That's the only reason I found it hard to accept him as the man in charge of our club. I suspect that was also the reason Power finally decided he had to get him out. Time will tell re Power. So far he deserves credit for his realism. Oi Den!

11:58pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon, why would I disrespect McCrory because he had no money? As it happens I still have no idea how much money he has. We have no divine right to expect the chairman/owner of our club to have money.
There are many former Town chairmen who were far from rich. That didn't inform my view of them.

We all know very well (you might not own up!) that McCrory bullsh*tted everyone on many issues. That's the only reason I found it hard to accept him as the man in charge of our club. I suspect that was also the reason Power finally decided he had to get him out.

Time will tell re Power. So far he deserves credit for his realism.
Please elaborate on the Dung. I don't know what I need to own up to.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Oxon, why would I disrespect McCrory because he had no money? As it happens I still have no idea how much money he has. We have no divine right to expect the chairman/owner of our club to have money. There are many former Town chairmen who were far from rich. That didn't inform my view of them. We all know very well (you might not own up!) that McCrory bullsh*tted everyone on many issues. That's the only reason I found it hard to accept him as the man in charge of our club. I suspect that was also the reason Power finally decided he had to get him out. Time will tell re Power. So far he deserves credit for his realism.[/p][/quote]Please elaborate on the Dung. I don't know what I need to own up to. Oxon-Red

8:36pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Oxon, first of all forgive me for not replying earlier. Busy couple of days.

I'm not going to elaborate because I think we both know the many instances of McCrory's statements turning out to be complete rubbish. I believe he took us all for fools and you believe he made statements in good faith but was the victim of circumstance. I would like to take your line, honestly, but I believe there are just too many of those instances. Most of us had never heard of McCrory. We had no preconceptions of him. I'm sure we all wanted him to do well. He should have been trying to nurture goodwill and carry the fans with him. Instead of that he started to create a climate of mistrust almost as soon as he took control of the club.

But that's my view. Yours is different and we'll never agree on this point.
Oxon, first of all forgive me for not replying earlier. Busy couple of days. I'm not going to elaborate because I think we both know the many instances of McCrory's statements turning out to be complete rubbish. I believe he took us all for fools and you believe he made statements in good faith but was the victim of circumstance. I would like to take your line, honestly, but I believe there are just too many of those instances. Most of us had never heard of McCrory. We had no preconceptions of him. I'm sure we all wanted him to do well. He should have been trying to nurture goodwill and carry the fans with him. Instead of that he started to create a climate of mistrust almost as soon as he took control of the club. But that's my view. Yours is different and we'll never agree on this point. Oi Den!

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