THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Looking back a dull time

THERE’S never a dull moment at Swindon Town is there?

That's what we tend to say most of the time. Just when you think things are running smoothly, something comes along to set the liquid in the tea cup trembling.

So in another week when things have got a little tetchy, I thought I'd look at a season so desperately dull even Victor Meldrew would sit placidly in his North Stand seat. If he had one that is.

Division Four, as it was properly known then, and 17th place. Now that is a season worth remembering (or not). An average home attendance of just over 3,000 and an average away gate of just under that figure. A total of 58 points and no real danger of going out of the league at either end. It's a story of a club going nowhere, a healthy enough home record of eleven wins and seven draws, while on the road four victories and six other games where the Town avoided defeat.

Even the League Cup failed to ignite any real excitement with a 4-2 aggregate loss to Plymouth Argyle in the first round. To be fair pulses were set briefly racing by reaching the fourth round of the FA Cup. Kettering, Millwall and Carlisle were dispatched before Blackburn ended that glory trail 2-1 at the County Ground. I know, exciting isn't it? Bet you wish we had another one like that don't you?

In the league the highlight was a 4-0 win over Chester in early September, otherwise the goals didn't flow and the football bumped along. You see boring isn't always good. Maybe less stormy would be better.

The season? 1983/84. Ken Beamish in charge of a club with no money and no real prospects. At the end of the season a new sponsor came in and Lou Macari was appointed. Boring was never used again.

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9:59am Thu 16 Jan 14

M.way666@btinternet.com says...

Is there any truth in Wes going to Ipswich
Is there any truth in Wes going to Ipswich M.way666@btinternet.com

10:08am Thu 16 Jan 14

swwindon61uk says...

Kettering,Millwall and Carlise were certainly not boring!
Went to all 3 games,Kettering some of the worst trouble at a football match i have attended and a 7-0 win to boot!
Millwall a last minute winner by Jimmy Quinn in a 3-2 win,leading to be being showered by so many coins it was unreal!!
Carlise one of my best memories as a town fan,took the "special" train up there with 600 others with no expectation of a result as they were top or near the top of Division 2 but a Rowland goal got us a 1-1 draw there with amazing celebrations and then we beat the 3-1 in the replay.
Then Blackburn,some of the worst trouble at a home game after the match.
That was not Dull,scary and happy mixed together but not dull!
Anybody else go to these games?
Kettering,Millwall and Carlise were certainly not boring! Went to all 3 games,Kettering some of the worst trouble at a football match i have attended and a 7-0 win to boot! Millwall a last minute winner by Jimmy Quinn in a 3-2 win,leading to be being showered by so many coins it was unreal!! Carlise one of my best memories as a town fan,took the "special" train up there with 600 others with no expectation of a result as they were top or near the top of Division 2 but a Rowland goal got us a 1-1 draw there with amazing celebrations and then we beat the 3-1 in the replay. Then Blackburn,some of the worst trouble at a home game after the match. That was not Dull,scary and happy mixed together but not dull! Anybody else go to these games? swwindon61uk

10:24am Thu 16 Jan 14

pug ugly says...

Yeah, went to all those games. Didn't the window go in on that special to Carlisle when another train went by at Crewe with a door open?

Kettering was an eye-opener for sure. That sports club was like the Wild West and as for the Blackburn Mae - I remember a Blackburn minibus being. Turned over when they decided to pop in the Moonies for a drink!

Dull?
Yeah, went to all those games. Didn't the window go in on that special to Carlisle when another train went by at Crewe with a door open? Kettering was an eye-opener for sure. That sports club was like the Wild West and as for the Blackburn Mae - I remember a Blackburn minibus being. Turned over when they decided to pop in the Moonies for a drink! Dull? pug ugly

11:54am Thu 16 Jan 14

hertz says...

For once its not us that is riding the roller coaster appears Southampton has that pleasure today .
For once its not us that is riding the roller coaster appears Southampton has that pleasure today . hertz

12:03pm Thu 16 Jan 14

old town robin says...

With everything else that is happening around SN1 at the moment, I would have expected a bit more substance from a reporter with Vic's reputation pretty boring article me thinks.
With everything else that is happening around SN1 at the moment, I would have expected a bit more substance from a reporter with Vic's reputation pretty boring article me thinks. old town robin

12:06pm Thu 16 Jan 14

STFC 67 says...

It comes to something when this load of rhetorical, cliched claptrap is the lead article
It comes to something when this load of rhetorical, cliched claptrap is the lead article STFC 67

12:59pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

STFC 67 wrote:
It comes to something when this load of rhetorical, cliched claptrap is the lead article
And it's come to that because the club won't talk to the Adver.
[quote][p][bold]STFC 67[/bold] wrote: It comes to something when this load of rhetorical, cliched claptrap is the lead article[/p][/quote]And it's come to that because the club won't talk to the Adver. Oi Den!

1:02pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Vintage Trouble says...

Seems the adver are walking on egg shells
Seems the adver are walking on egg shells Vintage Trouble

1:53pm Thu 16 Jan 14

jillyh says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Kettering,Millwall and Carlise were certainly not boring! Went to all 3 games,Kettering some of the worst trouble at a football match i have attended and a 7-0 win to boot! Millwall a last minute winner by Jimmy Quinn in a 3-2 win,leading to be being showered by so many coins it was unreal!! Carlise one of my best memories as a town fan,took the "special" train up there with 600 others with no expectation of a result as they were top or near the top of Division 2 but a Rowland goal got us a 1-1 draw there with amazing celebrations and then we beat the 3-1 in the replay. Then Blackburn,some of the worst trouble at a home game after the match. That was not Dull,scary and happy mixed together but not dull! Anybody else go to these games?
Remember them well - they were great times.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Kettering,Millwall and Carlise were certainly not boring! Went to all 3 games,Kettering some of the worst trouble at a football match i have attended and a 7-0 win to boot! Millwall a last minute winner by Jimmy Quinn in a 3-2 win,leading to be being showered by so many coins it was unreal!! Carlise one of my best memories as a town fan,took the "special" train up there with 600 others with no expectation of a result as they were top or near the top of Division 2 but a Rowland goal got us a 1-1 draw there with amazing celebrations and then we beat the 3-1 in the replay. Then Blackburn,some of the worst trouble at a home game after the match. That was not Dull,scary and happy mixed together but not dull! Anybody else go to these games?[/p][/quote]Remember them well - they were great times. jillyh

2:46pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Kettering,Millwall and Carlise were certainly not boring! Went to all 3 games,Kettering some of the worst trouble at a football match i have attended and a 7-0 win to boot! Millwall a last minute winner by Jimmy Quinn in a 3-2 win,leading to be being showered by so many coins it was unreal!! Carlise one of my best memories as a town fan,took the "special" train up there with 600 others with no expectation of a result as they were top or near the top of Division 2 but a Rowland goal got us a 1-1 draw there with amazing celebrations and then we beat the 3-1 in the replay. Then Blackburn,some of the worst trouble at a home game after the match. That was not Dull,scary and happy mixed together but not dull! Anybody else go to these games?
Went to Carlisle on the train, great day.

Remember the Blackburn game also, leading at half-time and then Brotherton took over. Seem to remember he was kept quiet first half, did we get an injury to the player marking him ?

Pug, the train window incident was an FA Cup special to Burnley.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Kettering,Millwall and Carlise were certainly not boring! Went to all 3 games,Kettering some of the worst trouble at a football match i have attended and a 7-0 win to boot! Millwall a last minute winner by Jimmy Quinn in a 3-2 win,leading to be being showered by so many coins it was unreal!! Carlise one of my best memories as a town fan,took the "special" train up there with 600 others with no expectation of a result as they were top or near the top of Division 2 but a Rowland goal got us a 1-1 draw there with amazing celebrations and then we beat the 3-1 in the replay. Then Blackburn,some of the worst trouble at a home game after the match. That was not Dull,scary and happy mixed together but not dull! Anybody else go to these games?[/p][/quote]Went to Carlisle on the train, great day. Remember the Blackburn game also, leading at half-time and then Brotherton took over. Seem to remember he was kept quiet first half, did we get an injury to the player marking him ? Pug, the train window incident was an FA Cup special to Burnley. COYMR Oxon-Red

2:49pm Thu 16 Jan 14

swwindon61uk says...

pug ugly wrote:
Yeah, went to all those games. Didn't the window go in on that special to Carlisle when another train went by at Crewe with a door open?

Kettering was an eye-opener for sure. That sports club was like the Wild West and as for the Blackburn Mae - I remember a Blackburn minibus being. Turned over when they decided to pop in the Moonies for a drink!

Dull?
Now that you mention it about the train at Crewe that rings a bell,
Kettering and their sports club is what i was on about in particular,was not in there myself but obviously heard when we got to the ground,then there was a fair amount of trouble with Northampton and Leicester inside the ground,
Blackburn at home i was walking to the bus station after the game and there was a massive,i mean massive,brawl on the small green and i too saw a mini bus get decimated down Fleming Way.
The trouble was so bad against Blackburn that everyone bar one, a friend of mine as it turned out!,got a prison sentence which at the time was really unheard of.
[quote][p][bold]pug ugly[/bold] wrote: Yeah, went to all those games. Didn't the window go in on that special to Carlisle when another train went by at Crewe with a door open? Kettering was an eye-opener for sure. That sports club was like the Wild West and as for the Blackburn Mae - I remember a Blackburn minibus being. Turned over when they decided to pop in the Moonies for a drink! Dull?[/p][/quote]Now that you mention it about the train at Crewe that rings a bell, Kettering and their sports club is what i was on about in particular,was not in there myself but obviously heard when we got to the ground,then there was a fair amount of trouble with Northampton and Leicester inside the ground, Blackburn at home i was walking to the bus station after the game and there was a massive,i mean massive,brawl on the small green and i too saw a mini bus get decimated down Fleming Way. The trouble was so bad against Blackburn that everyone bar one, a friend of mine as it turned out!,got a prison sentence which at the time was really unheard of. swwindon61uk

2:55pm Thu 16 Jan 14

swwindon61uk says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Kettering,Millwall and Carlise were certainly not boring! Went to all 3 games,Kettering some of the worst trouble at a football match i have attended and a 7-0 win to boot! Millwall a last minute winner by Jimmy Quinn in a 3-2 win,leading to be being showered by so many coins it was unreal!! Carlise one of my best memories as a town fan,took the "special" train up there with 600 others with no expectation of a result as they were top or near the top of Division 2 but a Rowland goal got us a 1-1 draw there with amazing celebrations and then we beat the 3-1 in the replay. Then Blackburn,some of the worst trouble at a home game after the match. That was not Dull,scary and happy mixed together but not dull! Anybody else go to these games?
Went to Carlisle on the train, great day.

Remember the Blackburn game also, leading at half-time and then Brotherton took over. Seem to remember he was kept quiet first half, did we get an injury to the player marking him ?

Pug, the train window incident was an FA Cup special to Burnley.

COYMR
I was at Burnley on the special also.
Carlise i remember it so well,myself and my best friend were the first two out of the train station and their was few Carlise waiting and smirking at the top of the slope as they see just us two,but the look on their face when when the the rest came out was a picture and they soon left!
Onto the football! strange what little thing you remember, i remember as the ball went out for a throw in in front us and Gary Emanuel waving in arms to get us to keep the support going and i believe shortly afterwards Rowland got the goal,happy days.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Kettering,Millwall and Carlise were certainly not boring! Went to all 3 games,Kettering some of the worst trouble at a football match i have attended and a 7-0 win to boot! Millwall a last minute winner by Jimmy Quinn in a 3-2 win,leading to be being showered by so many coins it was unreal!! Carlise one of my best memories as a town fan,took the "special" train up there with 600 others with no expectation of a result as they were top or near the top of Division 2 but a Rowland goal got us a 1-1 draw there with amazing celebrations and then we beat the 3-1 in the replay. Then Blackburn,some of the worst trouble at a home game after the match. That was not Dull,scary and happy mixed together but not dull! Anybody else go to these games?[/p][/quote]Went to Carlisle on the train, great day. Remember the Blackburn game also, leading at half-time and then Brotherton took over. Seem to remember he was kept quiet first half, did we get an injury to the player marking him ? Pug, the train window incident was an FA Cup special to Burnley. COYMR[/p][/quote]I was at Burnley on the special also. Carlise i remember it so well,myself and my best friend were the first two out of the train station and their was few Carlise waiting and smirking at the top of the slope as they see just us two,but the look on their face when when the the rest came out was a picture and they soon left! Onto the football! strange what little thing you remember, i remember as the ball went out for a throw in in front us and Gary Emanuel waving in arms to get us to keep the support going and i believe shortly afterwards Rowland got the goal,happy days. swwindon61uk

5:59pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
STFC 67 wrote:
It comes to something when this load of rhetorical, cliched claptrap is the lead article
And it's come to that because the club won't talk to the Adver.
To be fair Vic's columns are often reflective and I for one enjoy the style and content.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]STFC 67[/bold] wrote: It comes to something when this load of rhetorical, cliched claptrap is the lead article[/p][/quote]And it's come to that because the club won't talk to the Adver.[/p][/quote]To be fair Vic's columns are often reflective and I for one enjoy the style and content. Swindon1984

12:00am Fri 17 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Kettering,Millwall and Carlise were certainly not boring! Went to all 3 games,Kettering some of the worst trouble at a football match i have attended and a 7-0 win to boot! Millwall a last minute winner by Jimmy Quinn in a 3-2 win,leading to be being showered by so many coins it was unreal!! Carlise one of my best memories as a town fan,took the "special" train up there with 600 others with no expectation of a result as they were top or near the top of Division 2 but a Rowland goal got us a 1-1 draw there with amazing celebrations and then we beat the 3-1 in the replay. Then Blackburn,some of the worst trouble at a home game after the match. That was not Dull,scary and happy mixed together but not dull! Anybody else go to these games?
Went to Carlisle on the train, great day.

Remember the Blackburn game also, leading at half-time and then Brotherton took over. Seem to remember he was kept quiet first half, did we get an injury to the player marking him ?

Pug, the train window incident was an FA Cup special to Burnley.

COYMR
I was at Burnley on the special also.
Carlise i remember it so well,myself and my best friend were the first two out of the train station and their was few Carlise waiting and smirking at the top of the slope as they see just us two,but the look on their face when when the the rest came out was a picture and they soon left!
Onto the football! strange what little thing you remember, i remember as the ball went out for a throw in in front us and Gary Emanuel waving in arms to get us to keep the support going and i believe shortly afterwards Rowland got the goal,happy days.
Whatever happened to the football special trains ? Guess it was the improved motorway links and more reliable coaches.

Crowds were low in those days, remember seeing Town play Orient in a Freight Rover Trophy match with just over 1000 in the ground !

The Carlisle replay and Blackburn games were both pretty decent crowds and looking back, bearing in mind it was terracing and 26,000 capacity, seemed quite full at the time and I don't think the 'official attendance' reflected the numbers in the ground !

Good memories but taking kids I now prefer the relative safety of going to watch these days and I think attendances reflect that change.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Kettering,Millwall and Carlise were certainly not boring! Went to all 3 games,Kettering some of the worst trouble at a football match i have attended and a 7-0 win to boot! Millwall a last minute winner by Jimmy Quinn in a 3-2 win,leading to be being showered by so many coins it was unreal!! Carlise one of my best memories as a town fan,took the "special" train up there with 600 others with no expectation of a result as they were top or near the top of Division 2 but a Rowland goal got us a 1-1 draw there with amazing celebrations and then we beat the 3-1 in the replay. Then Blackburn,some of the worst trouble at a home game after the match. That was not Dull,scary and happy mixed together but not dull! Anybody else go to these games?[/p][/quote]Went to Carlisle on the train, great day. Remember the Blackburn game also, leading at half-time and then Brotherton took over. Seem to remember he was kept quiet first half, did we get an injury to the player marking him ? Pug, the train window incident was an FA Cup special to Burnley. COYMR[/p][/quote]I was at Burnley on the special also. Carlise i remember it so well,myself and my best friend were the first two out of the train station and their was few Carlise waiting and smirking at the top of the slope as they see just us two,but the look on their face when when the the rest came out was a picture and they soon left! Onto the football! strange what little thing you remember, i remember as the ball went out for a throw in in front us and Gary Emanuel waving in arms to get us to keep the support going and i believe shortly afterwards Rowland got the goal,happy days.[/p][/quote]Whatever happened to the football special trains ? Guess it was the improved motorway links and more reliable coaches. Crowds were low in those days, remember seeing Town play Orient in a Freight Rover Trophy match with just over 1000 in the ground ! The Carlisle replay and Blackburn games were both pretty decent crowds and looking back, bearing in mind it was terracing and 26,000 capacity, seemed quite full at the time and I don't think the 'official attendance' reflected the numbers in the ground ! Good memories but taking kids I now prefer the relative safety of going to watch these days and I think attendances reflect that change. COYMR Oxon-Red

5:34pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
STFC 67 wrote:
It comes to something when this load of rhetorical, cliched claptrap is the lead article
And it's come to that because the club won't talk to the Adver.
To be fair Vic's columns are often reflective and I for one enjoy the style and content.
True. I wasn't knocking Vic.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]STFC 67[/bold] wrote: It comes to something when this load of rhetorical, cliched claptrap is the lead article[/p][/quote]And it's come to that because the club won't talk to the Adver.[/p][/quote]To be fair Vic's columns are often reflective and I for one enjoy the style and content.[/p][/quote]True. I wasn't knocking Vic. Oi Den!

5:50pm Sat 18 Jan 14

LeGod says...

M.way666 - youve been on that rumours site you get so much rubbish on there especially when some idiot put Akinfenwah was going for 500k when the guy is worth about 10k.
Nothing in the ipswich papers or on their forums.
M.way666 - youve been on that rumours site you get so much rubbish on there especially when some idiot put Akinfenwah was going for 500k when the guy is worth about 10k. Nothing in the ipswich papers or on their forums. LeGod

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