Fans urged to stay patient over Town’s style of football

Swindon Advertiser: Cooper has asked for Town fan's patience Cooper has asked for Town fan's patience

FOLLOWING their latest miserable away day, Swindon Town manager Mark Cooper stressed that the Robins’ fans must remain patient as he and his players look to develop a certain style of football.

Town were impotent and disorganised during the worst moments of a forgettable afternoon at Leyton Orient on Saturday, as two Lloyd James penalties were enough to send the O’s top of League One once again.

The 2-0 loss was Swindon’s 10th in the league this season - a record beaten only by bottom club Stevenage, second-bottom Notts County and Gillingham – but Cooper reiterated that his squad remains a work in progress.

“You could see the team we had out on the pitch today.

“We had a lot of changes, a lot enforced and we wanted to come and give a good account of ourselves and try to play football,” he said.

“That’s the overriding thing – people have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it.

“There will be frustrating times.

“We didn’t have enough of a threat in the final third and whichever front three we had on the pitch didn’t create enough.”

In contrast, Orient have had the benefit of several seasons under the tutelage of Russell Slade and Cooper felt the table-toppers’ performance shows what can be possible on a small budget given time.

“They work immensely hard for each other.

“They close you down and press and hope that you make mistakes and when you do they take advantage of it,” he said.

“They bring (Kevin) Lisbie and (Shaun) Batt on, they’ve got lots of pace and lots of experienced players.

“They know what they’re doing.

“We have got a way we have to play, we’ve had some good results with it this season and we’re going to have some frustrating times but in the long run we’ll be far better for it.”

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6:13am Mon 24 Feb 14

LeGod says...

Well MC we've lost 13 games the same as city in the bottom four and we need another three wins to be safe and I can see us struggling to get those wins based on current form. How many more games do you expect us to lose MC with tough games coming up I think we will be looking over our shoulder
Well MC we've lost 13 games the same as city in the bottom four and we need another three wins to be safe and I can see us struggling to get those wins based on current form. How many more games do you expect us to lose MC with tough games coming up I think we will be looking over our shoulder LeGod

6:20am Mon 24 Feb 14

Since 1950 says...

The difference is Slade has had an established squad on which to build. They have been together for a few season and with luck or whatever, have had few long term injuries.
We don't know what squad we'll have next season the way the club is structured. We'll more than likely have to repeat the exercise next season of trying to attract different loan players.
We have seen some good and some awful this season. Our current form is a worry going into the end of the season. The main worry for me is the lack of leadership anywhere in the team. Also we lack experience - from the Manager down.
The difference is Slade has had an established squad on which to build. They have been together for a few season and with luck or whatever, have had few long term injuries. We don't know what squad we'll have next season the way the club is structured. We'll more than likely have to repeat the exercise next season of trying to attract different loan players. We have seen some good and some awful this season. Our current form is a worry going into the end of the season. The main worry for me is the lack of leadership anywhere in the team. Also we lack experience - from the Manager down. Since 1950

6:35am Mon 24 Feb 14

port de soller says...

same old story week in week out,and the injury situation unbelievable,just fed up with the same dribble cooper comes out with.Style of football?????get the players fit
same old story week in week out,and the injury situation unbelievable,just fed up with the same dribble cooper comes out with.Style of football?????get the players fit port de soller

6:44am Mon 24 Feb 14

oz ashes says...

Christ almighty we have just been beaten by a team that is proberly going to get auto promotion and it's all doom and gloom again relegation beckons now does it I'm being positive and 6 pts from the next 2 games will get us back on track again
Christ almighty we have just been beaten by a team that is proberly going to get auto promotion and it's all doom and gloom again relegation beckons now does it I'm being positive and 6 pts from the next 2 games will get us back on track again oz ashes

7:11am Mon 24 Feb 14

mgstfc says...

oz ashes wrote:
Christ almighty we have just been beaten by a team that is proberly going to get auto promotion and it's all doom and gloom again relegation beckons now does it I'm being positive and 6 pts from the next 2 games will get us back on track again
With all due respect this is not all doom and gloom.....our away form is woeful and is bottom 4 form. We have been fortunate to play so well at home in order to maintain some sort of play off challenge. Quote honestly this has been a tough season on many different levels. Ty fans have a right to voice their concerns as to matters both on and off the pitch. I rarely post but read most of the comments and one thing is clear, the majority of fans are not happy with matters on and off the pitch. I include myself in this.......
[quote][p][bold]oz ashes[/bold] wrote: Christ almighty we have just been beaten by a team that is proberly going to get auto promotion and it's all doom and gloom again relegation beckons now does it I'm being positive and 6 pts from the next 2 games will get us back on track again[/p][/quote]With all due respect this is not all doom and gloom.....our away form is woeful and is bottom 4 form. We have been fortunate to play so well at home in order to maintain some sort of play off challenge. Quote honestly this has been a tough season on many different levels. Ty fans have a right to voice their concerns as to matters both on and off the pitch. I rarely post but read most of the comments and one thing is clear, the majority of fans are not happy with matters on and off the pitch. I include myself in this....... mgstfc

7:29am Mon 24 Feb 14

street2000 says...

The patient way of playing is clearly not working. When it is not working you change it, not continue with it. So many games with barely an attempt on goal. Orient was another game where we just didn't do hardly anything and gifted a win. I am normally patient and understanding but this can't continue. It is my personal opinion that Cooper needs to change things drastically otherwise there will be discontent on the terraces. We have seen it before and we are approaching that same scenario now.

Patience is waring thin................
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The patient way of playing is clearly not working. When it is not working you change it, not continue with it. So many games with barely an attempt on goal. Orient was another game where we just didn't do hardly anything and gifted a win. I am normally patient and understanding but this can't continue. It is my personal opinion that Cooper needs to change things drastically otherwise there will be discontent on the terraces. We have seen it before and we are approaching that same scenario now. Patience is waring thin................ .................... .................... ..... street2000

7:43am Mon 24 Feb 14

who am i says...

patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.
patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not. who am i

7:47am Mon 24 Feb 14

avo says...

I find it hard to take MC seriously at the moment, given that I hold him soley responsible for our JPT exit.
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We were playing good football that night, got a goal, then it all changed. Tried to defend for 60 minutes, and only when the inevitable equaliser came did we then revert back to the way we had playe in the first 30 minutes. Quite why it was thought we could defend a 1 goal lead for the rest of the game when we've barely been able to keep a clean sheet all season beggars belief.
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That's not ill luck, lack of ability or poor desire, that's a team of players following explicit instructions from the manager. Rarely do I point the finger at the manager alone, but in this case I do. If I were Lee Power I would have been furious at the end of the penalties. The financial implications of such negative leadership are large.
I find it hard to take MC seriously at the moment, given that I hold him soley responsible for our JPT exit. . We were playing good football that night, got a goal, then it all changed. Tried to defend for 60 minutes, and only when the inevitable equaliser came did we then revert back to the way we had playe in the first 30 minutes. Quite why it was thought we could defend a 1 goal lead for the rest of the game when we've barely been able to keep a clean sheet all season beggars belief. . That's not ill luck, lack of ability or poor desire, that's a team of players following explicit instructions from the manager. Rarely do I point the finger at the manager alone, but in this case I do. If I were Lee Power I would have been furious at the end of the penalties. The financial implications of such negative leadership are large. avo

7:58am Mon 24 Feb 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

So we should be patient about our style of football, fair enough, what about the lack of desire and passion that this squad show with you as manager, Smith talked a great game about relishing leading the line, then he couldn't control the ball or hold it up leaving no time for support to get to him.

I am renewing my season tickets today, why ?? because I am a mug, Wilson played better football than MC is, knocking the ball around in ineffective areas of the pitch is boring, I stand in the TE week in week out and half the time now we are turning around chatting because there is only so much training ground football you can watch before the brain switches off, as for the away games I went to practically every one with PDC because I always thought we had a chance, I have been to six this season and every one we have been shocking, so thats it for me now, no away games for the rest of the season, don't even know if I will bother tuesday, the club have had my money so don't bang on about supporting the club, always have and always will, but MC is a joke, I have never liked his arrogance. Granted we had a lot of injuries, but when the team is set up not to lose, it will only end one way with a defence that can't keep a clean sheet, don't think we had a shot on target and if they can't get themselves up for a top of the table clash then there is something wrong.
So we should be patient about our style of football, fair enough, what about the lack of desire and passion that this squad show with you as manager, Smith talked a great game about relishing leading the line, then he couldn't control the ball or hold it up leaving no time for support to get to him. I am renewing my season tickets today, why ?? because I am a mug, Wilson played better football than MC is, knocking the ball around in ineffective areas of the pitch is boring, I stand in the TE week in week out and half the time now we are turning around chatting because there is only so much training ground football you can watch before the brain switches off, as for the away games I went to practically every one with PDC because I always thought we had a chance, I have been to six this season and every one we have been shocking, so thats it for me now, no away games for the rest of the season, don't even know if I will bother tuesday, the club have had my money so don't bang on about supporting the club, always have and always will, but MC is a joke, I have never liked his arrogance. Granted we had a lot of injuries, but when the team is set up not to lose, it will only end one way with a defence that can't keep a clean sheet, don't think we had a shot on target and if they can't get themselves up for a top of the table clash then there is something wrong. Is that you Lovesey

8:00am Mon 24 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

“People have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it."

If Pellegrini Mourinho Moyes etc made that comment they would be sacked on the spot, or things made very clear that perhaps they would like to try a different way that may produce wins....

Power surety can't be happy with his manager making comments like this?!
“People have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it." If Pellegrini Mourinho Moyes etc made that comment they would be sacked on the spot, or things made very clear that perhaps they would like to try a different way that may produce wins.... Power surety can't be happy with his manager making comments like this?! Wilesy

8:09am Mon 24 Feb 14

London Red says...

Since 1950 wrote:
The difference is Slade has had an established squad on which to build. They have been together for a few season and with luck or whatever, have had few long term injuries.
We don't know what squad we'll have next season the way the club is structured. We'll more than likely have to repeat the exercise next season of trying to attract different loan players.
We have seen some good and some awful this season. Our current form is a worry going into the end of the season. The main worry for me is the lack of leadership anywhere in the team. Also we lack experience - from the Manager down.
I'm in favour of a passing style and building from the back - it's what the top teams do and it is what brought us some sublime football this year here at Swindon
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However - it has to have a purpose and on Sat there was none
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The most annoying thing on Sat was Belford was clearly instructed to play a short goal kick to Ward or Troy. They were closed down and the ball was given back to Belford who was closed down and had to rush a clearance
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Why? Why not simply take a normal goal kick!
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Also how Kasim and Harley stayed on was beyond me as they were woeful
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The ball would come to them and the would slow it down - turn in fileld - knock it 3 yards to the other - knock it back again - then again and eventually go to the open Belford
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Yet the whole time we had Murphy or Tijane calling for it to be played out wide early
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Or we had Byrne make a 50 yard dash into space to be ignored and then have to chase back as the ball was lost!
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Yes play it on the ground, build from the defence and through midfield -
BUT - always have an end goal in mind - either a ball out wide or in the channels to hurt the opposition
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: The difference is Slade has had an established squad on which to build. They have been together for a few season and with luck or whatever, have had few long term injuries. We don't know what squad we'll have next season the way the club is structured. We'll more than likely have to repeat the exercise next season of trying to attract different loan players. We have seen some good and some awful this season. Our current form is a worry going into the end of the season. The main worry for me is the lack of leadership anywhere in the team. Also we lack experience - from the Manager down.[/p][/quote]I'm in favour of a passing style and building from the back - it's what the top teams do and it is what brought us some sublime football this year here at Swindon . However - it has to have a purpose and on Sat there was none . The most annoying thing on Sat was Belford was clearly instructed to play a short goal kick to Ward or Troy. They were closed down and the ball was given back to Belford who was closed down and had to rush a clearance . Why? Why not simply take a normal goal kick! . Also how Kasim and Harley stayed on was beyond me as they were woeful . The ball would come to them and the would slow it down - turn in fileld - knock it 3 yards to the other - knock it back again - then again and eventually go to the open Belford . Yet the whole time we had Murphy or Tijane calling for it to be played out wide early . Or we had Byrne make a 50 yard dash into space to be ignored and then have to chase back as the ball was lost! . Yes play it on the ground, build from the defence and through midfield - BUT - always have an end goal in mind - either a ball out wide or in the channels to hurt the opposition London Red

8:12am Mon 24 Feb 14

London Red says...

Sorry must have knocked quote by mistake - wasn't meant to include that
Sorry must have knocked quote by mistake - wasn't meant to include that London Red

8:33am Mon 24 Feb 14

old town robin says...

Wilesy wrote:
“People have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it."

If Pellegrini Mourinho Moyes etc made that comment they would be sacked on the spot, or things made very clear that perhaps they would like to try a different way that may produce wins....

Power surety can't be happy with his manager making comments like this?!
Once again again Cooper blames his players and trots out another one from his book of excuses, but it's never his fault is it for trying to defend for 90 minutes with a bunch of players that struggle with that area of their game.yes, granted, with the injuries and suspensions it was far from our best team, and on paper a defeat against a top of the table team away from home was not entirely unexpected, but given their rare chance, some of these players should have been chomping on the bit to prove themselves. How does Cooper expect to get anything out of a game with no shot on target.

Cooper emphasised the point Orient had been together a long time “They close you down and press and hope that you make mistakes and when you do they take advantage of it,” he said.

Elementary my dear Cooper, so why are you not learning from managers with more experience. Your tactics stink and trying to get players who are not suited to that style of play is madness. Simple answer is to either get players in that do play defensive or change your style to suit what you've got and play the football in their half and not ours..
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: “People have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it." If Pellegrini Mourinho Moyes etc made that comment they would be sacked on the spot, or things made very clear that perhaps they would like to try a different way that may produce wins.... Power surety can't be happy with his manager making comments like this?![/p][/quote]Once again again Cooper blames his players and trots out another one from his book of excuses, but it's never his fault is it for trying to defend for 90 minutes with a bunch of players that struggle with that area of their game.yes, granted, with the injuries and suspensions it was far from our best team, and on paper a defeat against a top of the table team away from home was not entirely unexpected, but given their rare chance, some of these players should have been chomping on the bit to prove themselves. How does Cooper expect to get anything out of a game with no shot on target. Cooper emphasised the point Orient had been together a long time “They close you down and press and hope that you make mistakes and when you do they take advantage of it,” he said. Elementary my dear Cooper, so why are you not learning from managers with more experience. Your tactics stink and trying to get players who are not suited to that style of play is madness. Simple answer is to either get players in that do play defensive or change your style to suit what you've got and play the football in their half and not ours.. old town robin

8:34am Mon 24 Feb 14

GiulianoGrazioli says...

what's worrying is that there is only like 10 weeks to go... and he is still claiming the players need time (seasons not far from over!!)

and then when all the loanees, and out of contract players depart - he'll be doing it all over again and ask for more time?!

i'm not being negative here, I just don't understand why we keep hearing this over and over again - just get on with the job, stop making little excuses. If they are really hard enough, really good enough they should be able to man up on the pitch and get the job done.

I think 3 pts versus Creepy Crawley is an absolute must and I hope he settles for nothing less as manager and the poor run we are on.
what's worrying is that there is only like 10 weeks to go... and he is still claiming the players need time (seasons not far from over!!) and then when all the loanees, and out of contract players depart - he'll be doing it all over again and ask for more time?! i'm not being negative here, I just don't understand why we keep hearing this over and over again - just get on with the job, stop making little excuses. If they are really hard enough, really good enough they should be able to man up on the pitch and get the job done. I think 3 pts versus Creepy Crawley is an absolute must and I hope he settles for nothing less as manager and the poor run we are on. GiulianoGrazioli

8:39am Mon 24 Feb 14

London Red says...

old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
“People have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it."

If Pellegrini Mourinho Moyes etc made that comment they would be sacked on the spot, or things made very clear that perhaps they would like to try a different way that may produce wins....

Power surety can't be happy with his manager making comments like this?!
Once again again Cooper blames his players and trots out another one from his book of excuses, but it's never his fault is it for trying to defend for 90 minutes with a bunch of players that struggle with that area of their game.yes, granted, with the injuries and suspensions it was far from our best team, and on paper a defeat against a top of the table team away from home was not entirely unexpected, but given their rare chance, some of these players should have been chomping on the bit to prove themselves. How does Cooper expect to get anything out of a game with no shot on target.

Cooper emphasised the point Orient had been together a long time “They close you down and press and hope that you make mistakes and when you do they take advantage of it,” he said.

Elementary my dear Cooper, so why are you not learning from managers with more experience. Your tactics stink and trying to get players who are not suited to that style of play is madness. Simple answer is to either get players in that do play defensive or change your style to suit what you've got and play the football in their half and not ours..
I said the same thing on another thread - time for him to admit he got it wrong
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This depleted squad stuff is total bull!
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Barthram is a right back so he could have played
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That frees up Byrne who is comfortable as a left midfielder - where as Gladwin clearly isn't
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You then have Tijane who is a natural winger meaning if you want Byrne at RB we could still have width in a 451
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Then Cooper was the one who subbed our only attacking threat in Murphy when 2-0 instead of adding to him
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For once he has to take the blame and not hide behind injuries
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Yes we are missing key players and not as strong as we could have been with both Thompspns Pritchard and Ranger - but we still has enough to name a competitive side with players in THEIR position!
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For Crawley
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Belford (guess Wes will be out)
Thompson Troy Ward McEveley
Tijane Gladwin Luongo Byrne
Murphy Smith
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If N'Guessan fit Byrne to LB and Murphy ion the wing
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If Louis back in for Gladwin
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Granted Thompson and Jay were not available for Orient but Barthram Smith and Reckford were - all natural fullbacks who could have slotted in
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I would go for Gladwin as Kasim was awful and we looked good when he was banned - granted it was Louis alongside Luongo - but let's see what Gladwin can do in HIS POSITION
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: “People have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it." If Pellegrini Mourinho Moyes etc made that comment they would be sacked on the spot, or things made very clear that perhaps they would like to try a different way that may produce wins.... Power surety can't be happy with his manager making comments like this?![/p][/quote]Once again again Cooper blames his players and trots out another one from his book of excuses, but it's never his fault is it for trying to defend for 90 minutes with a bunch of players that struggle with that area of their game.yes, granted, with the injuries and suspensions it was far from our best team, and on paper a defeat against a top of the table team away from home was not entirely unexpected, but given their rare chance, some of these players should have been chomping on the bit to prove themselves. How does Cooper expect to get anything out of a game with no shot on target. Cooper emphasised the point Orient had been together a long time “They close you down and press and hope that you make mistakes and when you do they take advantage of it,” he said. Elementary my dear Cooper, so why are you not learning from managers with more experience. Your tactics stink and trying to get players who are not suited to that style of play is madness. Simple answer is to either get players in that do play defensive or change your style to suit what you've got and play the football in their half and not ours..[/p][/quote]I said the same thing on another thread - time for him to admit he got it wrong . This depleted squad stuff is total bull! . Barthram is a right back so he could have played . That frees up Byrne who is comfortable as a left midfielder - where as Gladwin clearly isn't . You then have Tijane who is a natural winger meaning if you want Byrne at RB we could still have width in a 451 . Then Cooper was the one who subbed our only attacking threat in Murphy when 2-0 instead of adding to him . For once he has to take the blame and not hide behind injuries . Yes we are missing key players and not as strong as we could have been with both Thompspns Pritchard and Ranger - but we still has enough to name a competitive side with players in THEIR position! . For Crawley . Belford (guess Wes will be out) Thompson Troy Ward McEveley Tijane Gladwin Luongo Byrne Murphy Smith . If N'Guessan fit Byrne to LB and Murphy ion the wing . If Louis back in for Gladwin . Granted Thompson and Jay were not available for Orient but Barthram Smith and Reckford were - all natural fullbacks who could have slotted in . I would go for Gladwin as Kasim was awful and we looked good when he was banned - granted it was Louis alongside Luongo - but let's see what Gladwin can do in HIS POSITION London Red

8:40am Mon 24 Feb 14

the wizard says...

Lovesey, I quite agree with most of your post. Before Wilson lost the changing room he did have the team playing some good stuff, but the arrival of the players for his final season put paid to that sadly.

MC keeps coming out with excuses that show his lack of experience and basically lack of intuition on how to take the team forward. By now our style should be established across all our players and we should have the confidence to go out and deliver that. He can say we have enforced changes, but that is something all managers have to deal with, but one thing they don't at this level is a very cavalier attitude towards on field discipline and back chatting the ref, and that has cost us.
On the plus side Cooper has done better in getting us thus far, a feat most though almost impossible a year ago. I said yesterday and before, Power needs a new manager in at the end of the season to help with player selection for next season, a manger who has proven promotion team building skills, and Cooper should stay as the assistant with Williams and then with their coaching skills we should stand an above average chance of being in the mix next season. For somebody who was thrown in at the deep end he hasn't done too badly, but I fear he has used all he knows and lacks the extra knowledge and skills to take us further. I would love to be proven wrong. I'll rate him as 7 out of ten for the job so far, and a silver star for endevour.
Lovesey, I quite agree with most of your post. Before Wilson lost the changing room he did have the team playing some good stuff, but the arrival of the players for his final season put paid to that sadly. MC keeps coming out with excuses that show his lack of experience and basically lack of intuition on how to take the team forward. By now our style should be established across all our players and we should have the confidence to go out and deliver that. He can say we have enforced changes, but that is something all managers have to deal with, but one thing they don't at this level is a very cavalier attitude towards on field discipline and back chatting the ref, and that has cost us. On the plus side Cooper has done better in getting us thus far, a feat most though almost impossible a year ago. I said yesterday and before, Power needs a new manager in at the end of the season to help with player selection for next season, a manger who has proven promotion team building skills, and Cooper should stay as the assistant with Williams and then with their coaching skills we should stand an above average chance of being in the mix next season. For somebody who was thrown in at the deep end he hasn't done too badly, but I fear he has used all he knows and lacks the extra knowledge and skills to take us further. I would love to be proven wrong. I'll rate him as 7 out of ten for the job so far, and a silver star for endevour. the wizard

8:43am Mon 24 Feb 14

Graham8181 says...

I love writing stuff on this site but saying the same thing every week is getting very boring so it just boils down to 2 words now - COOPER OUT
I love writing stuff on this site but saying the same thing every week is getting very boring so it just boils down to 2 words now - COOPER OUT Graham8181

8:52am Mon 24 Feb 14

Billy hunt 65 says...

Same old excuses Cooper blaming the players ahead of yourself.
10 weeks left and your asking us to be patient?
Your football at times is so boring, tippy tappy but going nowhere.
Not one shot on target Saturday what is going on?
Mid table to be honest would have been ok at the start of the season as everybody thought we would go down but this is a miserable end to the season.
Not renewing next season will pick and choose my games I am afraid.
There seems that all the desire and excitement has left the club.
With the loaners moving on and the out of contract players going what does the future hold?
Same old excuses Cooper blaming the players ahead of yourself. 10 weeks left and your asking us to be patient? Your football at times is so boring, tippy tappy but going nowhere. Not one shot on target Saturday what is going on? Mid table to be honest would have been ok at the start of the season as everybody thought we would go down but this is a miserable end to the season. Not renewing next season will pick and choose my games I am afraid. There seems that all the desire and excitement has left the club. With the loaners moving on and the out of contract players going what does the future hold? Billy hunt 65

8:52am Mon 24 Feb 14

the wizard says...

Graham8181 wrote:
I love writing stuff on this site but saying the same thing every week is getting very boring so it just boils down to 2 words now - COOPER OUT
No point., too late in the season.
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: I love writing stuff on this site but saying the same thing every week is getting very boring so it just boils down to 2 words now - COOPER OUT[/p][/quote]No point., too late in the season. the wizard

8:55am Mon 24 Feb 14

Billy hunt 65 says...

Also Gladwin and Barker where did they get those two from?
Truly awful to be honest ...
Also Gladwin and Barker where did they get those two from? Truly awful to be honest ... Billy hunt 65

9:11am Mon 24 Feb 14

Robinonfire says...

Non league manager with non league players will get us to the Championship......ne
ed a plan B Mr Power.
Non league manager with non league players will get us to the Championship......ne ed a plan B Mr Power. Robinonfire

9:12am Mon 24 Feb 14

batch says...

Agree with 1950 in that it's going to be more difficult to establish a side with a style of play when loan players are used and probably won't be here next season.

That said, we don't have that many in the team right now.

Cooper wasn't my first choice as manager, but I think he's done pretty well up to now. We are in transition/cost cutting and unfortunately can no longer go after top money players. I wish we could but we can't. What is going to be interesting is how he replaces whoever gets released/ not renewed over the summer. Presumably TAH is too expensive, is jmac out of contract? Wes may fancy a higher league, etc.

Or maybe not. Time will tell
Agree with 1950 in that it's going to be more difficult to establish a side with a style of play when loan players are used and probably won't be here next season. That said, we don't have that many in the team right now. Cooper wasn't my first choice as manager, but I think he's done pretty well up to now. We are in transition/cost cutting and unfortunately can no longer go after top money players. I wish we could but we can't. What is going to be interesting is how he replaces whoever gets released/ not renewed over the summer. Presumably TAH is too expensive, is jmac out of contract? Wes may fancy a higher league, etc. Or maybe not. Time will tell batch

9:33am Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

Wilesy wrote:
“People have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it."

If Pellegrini Mourinho Moyes etc made that comment they would be sacked on the spot, or things made very clear that perhaps they would like to try a different way that may produce wins....

Power surety can't be happy with his manager making comments like this?!
In all fairness if Cooper spent over £250m getting 50 player plus squads i would expect him to get the sack also!
Haven't the managers above mentioned kind of said that they will lose games anyway? they all saying they can not win the league which means they have to lose games!
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: “People have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it." If Pellegrini Mourinho Moyes etc made that comment they would be sacked on the spot, or things made very clear that perhaps they would like to try a different way that may produce wins.... Power surety can't be happy with his manager making comments like this?![/p][/quote]In all fairness if Cooper spent over £250m getting 50 player plus squads i would expect him to get the sack also! Haven't the managers above mentioned kind of said that they will lose games anyway? they all saying they can not win the league which means they have to lose games! swwindon61uk

9:35am Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

Billy hunt 65 wrote:
Also Gladwin and Barker where did they get those two from?
Truly awful to be honest ...
Nothing like with giving them a chance eh.
[quote][p][bold]Billy hunt 65[/bold] wrote: Also Gladwin and Barker where did they get those two from? Truly awful to be honest ...[/p][/quote]Nothing like with giving them a chance eh. swwindon61uk

9:47am Mon 24 Feb 14

House with no name says...

I repeat what I said on another thread - The only recent successes we have had have been when we have had good managers all trusted in the higher levels of the game and could attract good players - Macari, Ossie, Hoddle and of course de Canio - hardly rocket science, speculate to accumulate if you want success, otherwise don't complain when relegated to the Conference.

Of course there are so many injuries when you all play football like fairies in Division 1, that style is fine in the Premiership but not Division 1 where a more forceful approach is required.

We have seen the promise of promotion and a paint pot cup final disappear by poor team management - but I guess that comes directly from the owner.
I repeat what I said on another thread - The only recent successes we have had have been when we have had good managers all trusted in the higher levels of the game and could attract good players - Macari, Ossie, Hoddle and of course de Canio - hardly rocket science, speculate to accumulate if you want success, otherwise don't complain when relegated to the Conference. Of course there are so many injuries when you all play football like fairies in Division 1, that style is fine in the Premiership but not Division 1 where a more forceful approach is required. We have seen the promise of promotion and a paint pot cup final disappear by poor team management - but I guess that comes directly from the owner. House with no name

9:49am Mon 24 Feb 14

bearwoodred says...

who am i wrote:
patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.
not the same thing! That was in the league above with higher standard players many of which who had been together for 2 or 3 seasons. They were not all youngsters and loanees, it was a different era!

Why is it every other teams fan in the country moans when a manager is sacked saying that they have not had enough time. Yet when it comes to Swindon, our own fans believe Cooper is expected to be challenging the top two and when he is not they want him out! No one has given us an alternative, available manager who would have got us higher than we are now and two pens away from Wembley.

Keep the faith. We are in no danger whatsoever of being anywhere near the relegation battle. None, diddly squat. Do people honestly think that ALL the teams below us are going to win all the games? I seriously do not understand that school of thought.

Looking at the fixtures we will win 9, maybe 10 - any more than that and we will be knocking on the playoffs.

May big hope is that next season under Cooper we are one of the top sides and everyone on here will be saying " I was always behind him - never called for his head"! Bit like West Ham fans at Christmas who want big Sam out are now all denying it.
[quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.[/p][/quote]not the same thing! That was in the league above with higher standard players many of which who had been together for 2 or 3 seasons. They were not all youngsters and loanees, it was a different era! Why is it every other teams fan in the country moans when a manager is sacked saying that they have not had enough time. Yet when it comes to Swindon, our own fans believe Cooper is expected to be challenging the top two and when he is not they want him out! No one has given us an alternative, available manager who would have got us higher than we are now and two pens away from Wembley. Keep the faith. We are in no danger whatsoever of being anywhere near the relegation battle. None, diddly squat. Do people honestly think that ALL the teams below us are going to win all the games? I seriously do not understand that school of thought. Looking at the fixtures we will win 9, maybe 10 - any more than that and we will be knocking on the playoffs. May big hope is that next season under Cooper we are one of the top sides and everyone on here will be saying " I was always behind him - never called for his head"! Bit like West Ham fans at Christmas who want big Sam out are now all denying it. bearwoodred

9:55am Mon 24 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

London Red wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
The difference is Slade has had an established squad on which to build. They have been together for a few season and with luck or whatever, have had few long term injuries.
We don't know what squad we'll have next season the way the club is structured. We'll more than likely have to repeat the exercise next season of trying to attract different loan players.
We have seen some good and some awful this season. Our current form is a worry going into the end of the season. The main worry for me is the lack of leadership anywhere in the team. Also we lack experience - from the Manager down.
I'm in favour of a passing style and building from the back - it's what the top teams do and it is what brought us some sublime football this year here at Swindon
.
However - it has to have a purpose and on Sat there was none
.
The most annoying thing on Sat was Belford was clearly instructed to play a short goal kick to Ward or Troy. They were closed down and the ball was given back to Belford who was closed down and had to rush a clearance
.
Why? Why not simply take a normal goal kick!
.
Also how Kasim and Harley stayed on was beyond me as they were woeful
.
The ball would come to them and the would slow it down - turn in fileld - knock it 3 yards to the other - knock it back again - then again and eventually go to the open Belford
.
Yet the whole time we had Murphy or Tijane calling for it to be played out wide early
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Or we had Byrne make a 50 yard dash into space to be ignored and then have to chase back as the ball was lost!
.
Yes play it on the ground, build from the defence and through midfield -
BUT - always have an end goal in mind - either a ball out wide or in the channels to hurt the opposition
LR I am pleased that you obviously saw on Saturday how woeful the majority of our away performances have been this season and several home ones haven't been much better. You mention rightly the tippy tappy goal kicks - me nuts! The number of times this has led to the keeper being out under pressure and even conceding goals is laughable and Cooper's defence " we have to play a certain way" is a joke! Mix it up occasionally ffs! Yes we all want to see neat passing football on the deck but we've been sussed far too many times now and it shows in the results - would he still be humming the same tune if this insistence on tippy tappy saw us relegated?
Cooper has received my full backing and will continue to do so but some of his excuses aside from the valid injury ones are wearing a bit thin and if he's not careful he'll tip the balance between overall support for him and those that want him out. He's the easy option for Power and certainly not my choice as to being somebody who can take the team forward long term.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: The difference is Slade has had an established squad on which to build. They have been together for a few season and with luck or whatever, have had few long term injuries. We don't know what squad we'll have next season the way the club is structured. We'll more than likely have to repeat the exercise next season of trying to attract different loan players. We have seen some good and some awful this season. Our current form is a worry going into the end of the season. The main worry for me is the lack of leadership anywhere in the team. Also we lack experience - from the Manager down.[/p][/quote]I'm in favour of a passing style and building from the back - it's what the top teams do and it is what brought us some sublime football this year here at Swindon . However - it has to have a purpose and on Sat there was none . The most annoying thing on Sat was Belford was clearly instructed to play a short goal kick to Ward or Troy. They were closed down and the ball was given back to Belford who was closed down and had to rush a clearance . Why? Why not simply take a normal goal kick! . Also how Kasim and Harley stayed on was beyond me as they were woeful . The ball would come to them and the would slow it down - turn in fileld - knock it 3 yards to the other - knock it back again - then again and eventually go to the open Belford . Yet the whole time we had Murphy or Tijane calling for it to be played out wide early . Or we had Byrne make a 50 yard dash into space to be ignored and then have to chase back as the ball was lost! . Yes play it on the ground, build from the defence and through midfield - BUT - always have an end goal in mind - either a ball out wide or in the channels to hurt the opposition[/p][/quote]LR I am pleased that you obviously saw on Saturday how woeful the majority of our away performances have been this season and several home ones haven't been much better. You mention rightly the tippy tappy goal kicks - me nuts! The number of times this has led to the keeper being out under pressure and even conceding goals is laughable and Cooper's defence " we have to play a certain way" is a joke! Mix it up occasionally ffs! Yes we all want to see neat passing football on the deck but we've been sussed far too many times now and it shows in the results - would he still be humming the same tune if this insistence on tippy tappy saw us relegated? Cooper has received my full backing and will continue to do so but some of his excuses aside from the valid injury ones are wearing a bit thin and if he's not careful he'll tip the balance between overall support for him and those that want him out. He's the easy option for Power and certainly not my choice as to being somebody who can take the team forward long term. The Jockster

9:58am Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

I like the fact we are trying to play football and recently i thought we had got the balance right in not playing around to much at the back,my one big criticism is that when we get the chance to get the ball in the box we need to do it!
But lets be honest here a lot of Swindon fans do not have any patience do they and all they will be happy with is hoof ball, i here it enough where i sit in the North Stand.
Maybe it is why our home form is dipping,funnily enough our away form was picking up before Saturday,where i honestly think injuries caught up with us,we had at high flying Walsall and Peterborough and good win at Port Vale in our previous 3 away games.
Do i think Cooper is the man to take us forward?
Not sure,but he will be here next season i think and will be interesting to see what happens with a proper pre-season.
I like the fact we are trying to play football and recently i thought we had got the balance right in not playing around to much at the back,my one big criticism is that when we get the chance to get the ball in the box we need to do it! But lets be honest here a lot of Swindon fans do not have any patience do they and all they will be happy with is hoof ball, i here it enough where i sit in the North Stand. Maybe it is why our home form is dipping,funnily enough our away form was picking up before Saturday,where i honestly think injuries caught up with us,we had at high flying Walsall and Peterborough and good win at Port Vale in our previous 3 away games. Do i think Cooper is the man to take us forward? Not sure,but he will be here next season i think and will be interesting to see what happens with a proper pre-season. swwindon61uk

10:04am Mon 24 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

"people have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it."

Sorry Cooper, this attitude isn't good enough. In fact it's a massive two fingers to the supporters saying "we're going to play in a way which will cost us points, get used to it." Wasn't at Orient but have seen many times this season how we've passed the ball around at the back with no idea how to get forward, inviting pressure on ourselves.

"Playing football" if taken to be playing a passing game is great if it's effective. If not then we get... well, what I've just said - a type of football that's not only ineffective but not entertaining and frankly painful at times to watch. Ever heard of winning ugly? I'd love to see us play decent football and win games but currently what I'm seeing is football played the wrong way. Keep ball, no interest in going forward, and allowing the opposition in. We play far too much in our own half. If it's a choice of this watching paint dry passing game or a more direct game that might give us points on the board, it's a no brainer.

"“They work immensely hard for each other.

“They close you down and press and hope that you make mistakes and when you do they take advantage of it,” he said"

Wow, in a nutshell, this is how you play football when you're not in possession. Cooper recognises this by his own admission, but can't seem to get his own players to do the same.

Not the biggest critic on here of the manager but some of his post-match quotes really wound me up.
"people have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it." Sorry Cooper, this attitude isn't good enough. In fact it's a massive two fingers to the supporters saying "we're going to play in a way which will cost us points, get used to it." Wasn't at Orient but have seen many times this season how we've passed the ball around at the back with no idea how to get forward, inviting pressure on ourselves. "Playing football" if taken to be playing a passing game is great if it's effective. If not then we get... well, what I've just said - a type of football that's not only ineffective but not entertaining and frankly painful at times to watch. Ever heard of winning ugly? I'd love to see us play decent football and win games but currently what I'm seeing is football played the wrong way. Keep ball, no interest in going forward, and allowing the opposition in. We play far too much in our own half. If it's a choice of this watching paint dry passing game or a more direct game that might give us points on the board, it's a no brainer. "“They work immensely hard for each other. “They close you down and press and hope that you make mistakes and when you do they take advantage of it,” he said" Wow, in a nutshell, this is how you play football when you're not in possession. Cooper recognises this by his own admission, but can't seem to get his own players to do the same. Not the biggest critic on here of the manager but some of his post-match quotes really wound me up. Swindon1984

10:06am Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

who am i wrote:
patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.
And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31
This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?
I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch.
I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.
[quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.[/p][/quote]And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31 This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it? I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch. I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October. swwindon61uk

10:11am Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

House with no name wrote:
I repeat what I said on another thread - The only recent successes we have had have been when we have had good managers all trusted in the higher levels of the game and could attract good players - Macari, Ossie, Hoddle and of course de Canio - hardly rocket science, speculate to accumulate if you want success, otherwise don't complain when relegated to the Conference.

Of course there are so many injuries when you all play football like fairies in Division 1, that style is fine in the Premiership but not Division 1 where a more forceful approach is required.

We have seen the promise of promotion and a paint pot cup final disappear by poor team management - but I guess that comes directly from the owner.
e had success also with King and McMahon but i would not call them good managers.
Ardiles,Hoddle and Di Canio all had money to spend and PDC certainly did attract the players and he also lost a lot of players.
RobinsOnFire keeps banging on about Story and Joe Butler Benson but i think our biggest mistake the last couple of seasons was not playing Chris Martin.
[quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: I repeat what I said on another thread - The only recent successes we have had have been when we have had good managers all trusted in the higher levels of the game and could attract good players - Macari, Ossie, Hoddle and of course de Canio - hardly rocket science, speculate to accumulate if you want success, otherwise don't complain when relegated to the Conference. Of course there are so many injuries when you all play football like fairies in Division 1, that style is fine in the Premiership but not Division 1 where a more forceful approach is required. We have seen the promise of promotion and a paint pot cup final disappear by poor team management - but I guess that comes directly from the owner.[/p][/quote]e had success also with King and McMahon but i would not call them good managers. Ardiles,Hoddle and Di Canio all had money to spend and PDC certainly did attract the players and he also lost a lot of players. RobinsOnFire keeps banging on about Story and Joe Butler Benson but i think our biggest mistake the last couple of seasons was not playing Chris Martin. swwindon61uk

10:14am Mon 24 Feb 14

jfmorty says...

All these comments are interesting to me, so good to see so many different viewpoints (all looking in the same direction).

But before the season started nobody thought we would make the play-offs, and whilst most people now have the same view, at least we are still in with a shout - even though promotion would be a major disaster for the club, as we do NOT have even the basics of a Premiership side.

Our obvious problem is our away form - if the manager can figure out how to turn this around for NEXT season, then we can start to really think about an upward challenge. He needs time to build a cohesive squad, difficult with so many loan players who know that their tie here is limited, and just one season with limited funding is not enough time.

Quote from Sam's article: "In contrast, Orient have had the benefit of several seasons under the tutelage of Russell Slade and Cooper felt the table-toppers’ performance shows what can be possible on a small budget given time."

Okay, let's give Cooper time, let's wait until next season....
All these comments are interesting to me, so good to see so many different viewpoints (all looking in the same direction). But before the season started nobody thought we would make the play-offs, and whilst most people now have the same view, at least we are still in with a shout - even though promotion would be a major disaster for the club, as we do NOT have even the basics of a Premiership side. Our obvious problem is our away form - if the manager can figure out how to turn this around for NEXT season, then we can start to really think about an upward challenge. He needs time to build a cohesive squad, difficult with so many loan players who know that their tie here is limited, and just one season with limited funding is not enough time. Quote from Sam's article: "In contrast, Orient have had the benefit of several seasons under the tutelage of Russell Slade and Cooper felt the table-toppers’ performance shows what can be possible on a small budget given time." Okay, let's give Cooper time, let's wait until next season.... jfmorty

10:22am Mon 24 Feb 14

hertz says...

I had to listen on radio which is shame I like going over to the O's, apart from year before when that flare hit me onthe head .
I know folks are saying we are doing far better than expected and that is true , but then having watched the same players play great stuff against Wolves, Chelsea ,Coventry even Posh we started to think wait a minute we have something special here , with correct management these lads can actually acieve something , but it does'nt change , we don't build on it and thats where I struggle , the players never take any notice of Cooper throughout the whole 90 mins , other managers call the players over at every dead ball situaton get fluid into them and some instructions , he aint got no instructions . Sorry but yes I do think we are doing a lot better than we all expected but I thik we could do better still . Christian Roberts did the commentay on the radio , he said " getting these players fit for the play off , these players are ony fit for the beach " they just are'nt focussed they need someone to take it by the scruff and shake it all up , even if Nice Mr Cooper thinks thats not the plan I doubt losing 2-0 was in the plans so someone shok have taken control to change things ,
I had to listen on radio which is shame I like going over to the O's, apart from year before when that flare hit me onthe head . I know folks are saying we are doing far better than expected and that is true , but then having watched the same players play great stuff against Wolves, Chelsea ,Coventry even Posh we started to think wait a minute we have something special here , with correct management these lads can actually acieve something , but it does'nt change , we don't build on it and thats where I struggle , the players never take any notice of Cooper throughout the whole 90 mins , other managers call the players over at every dead ball situaton get fluid into them and some instructions , he aint got no instructions . Sorry but yes I do think we are doing a lot better than we all expected but I thik we could do better still . Christian Roberts did the commentay on the radio , he said " getting these players fit for the play off , these players are ony fit for the beach " they just are'nt focussed they need someone to take it by the scruff and shake it all up , even if Nice Mr Cooper thinks thats not the plan I doubt losing 2-0 was in the plans so someone shok have taken control to change things , hertz

10:37am Mon 24 Feb 14

House with no name says...

I would suggest the Club knew something when the ticket prices for next season were announced - If they were actually seeking a promotion the prices would not have been released until they actually knew what division they were playing in - or am I missing something?
I would suggest the Club knew something when the ticket prices for next season were announced - If they were actually seeking a promotion the prices would not have been released until they actually knew what division they were playing in - or am I missing something? House with no name

10:38am Mon 24 Feb 14

bearwoodred says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
I like the fact we are trying to play football and recently i thought we had got the balance right in not playing around to much at the back,my one big criticism is that when we get the chance to get the ball in the box we need to do it!
But lets be honest here a lot of Swindon fans do not have any patience do they and all they will be happy with is hoof ball, i here it enough where i sit in the North Stand.
Maybe it is why our home form is dipping,funnily enough our away form was picking up before Saturday,where i honestly think injuries caught up with us,we had at high flying Walsall and Peterborough and good win at Port Vale in our previous 3 away games.
Do i think Cooper is the man to take us forward?
Not sure,but he will be here next season i think and will be interesting to see what happens with a proper pre-season.
agree totally. Miles better to watch than anything under The Ego. Not Coopers fault if the players don't take it forward but the idea is there and the product will come. He has 30 odd players all learning and developing. REcently he has managed to add the grit we needed and we had some good away results at three good clubs.. We lose to the team top of the league by giving away two stupid penalties - what was Troy thinking and everyone is out in force again. Win the next three games (which we will - we also owe Wolves one) and it will be all rosy! Yes we could have played better at Orient, but how many honestly given injuries etc. expected all 3 points - apart from me coz I am always positive and always think we can win.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: I like the fact we are trying to play football and recently i thought we had got the balance right in not playing around to much at the back,my one big criticism is that when we get the chance to get the ball in the box we need to do it! But lets be honest here a lot of Swindon fans do not have any patience do they and all they will be happy with is hoof ball, i here it enough where i sit in the North Stand. Maybe it is why our home form is dipping,funnily enough our away form was picking up before Saturday,where i honestly think injuries caught up with us,we had at high flying Walsall and Peterborough and good win at Port Vale in our previous 3 away games. Do i think Cooper is the man to take us forward? Not sure,but he will be here next season i think and will be interesting to see what happens with a proper pre-season.[/p][/quote]agree totally. Miles better to watch than anything under The Ego. Not Coopers fault if the players don't take it forward but the idea is there and the product will come. He has 30 odd players all learning and developing. REcently he has managed to add the grit we needed and we had some good away results at three good clubs.. We lose to the team top of the league by giving away two stupid penalties - what was Troy thinking and everyone is out in force again. Win the next three games (which we will - we also owe Wolves one) and it will be all rosy! Yes we could have played better at Orient, but how many honestly given injuries etc. expected all 3 points - apart from me coz I am always positive and always think we can win. bearwoodred

10:40am Mon 24 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
“People have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it."

If Pellegrini Mourinho Moyes etc made that comment they would be sacked on the spot, or things made very clear that perhaps they would like to try a different way that may produce wins....

Power surety can't be happy with his manager making comments like this?!
Once again again Cooper blames his players and trots out another one from his book of excuses, but it's never his fault is it for trying to defend for 90 minutes with a bunch of players that struggle with that area of their game.yes, granted, with the injuries and suspensions it was far from our best team, and on paper a defeat against a top of the table team away from home was not entirely unexpected, but given their rare chance, some of these players should have been chomping on the bit to prove themselves. How does Cooper expect to get anything out of a game with no shot on target.

Cooper emphasised the point Orient had been together a long time “They close you down and press and hope that you make mistakes and when you do they take advantage of it,” he said.

Elementary my dear Cooper, so why are you not learning from managers with more experience. Your tactics stink and trying to get players who are not suited to that style of play is madness. Simple answer is to either get players in that do play defensive or change your style to suit what you've got and play the football in their half and not ours..
I said the same thing on another thread - time for him to admit he got it wrong
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This depleted squad stuff is total bull!
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Barthram is a right back so he could have played
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That frees up Byrne who is comfortable as a left midfielder - where as Gladwin clearly isn't
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You then have Tijane who is a natural winger meaning if you want Byrne at RB we could still have width in a 451
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Then Cooper was the one who subbed our only attacking threat in Murphy when 2-0 instead of adding to him
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For once he has to take the blame and not hide behind injuries
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Yes we are missing key players and not as strong as we could have been with both Thompspns Pritchard and Ranger - but we still has enough to name a competitive side with players in THEIR position!
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For Crawley
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Belford (guess Wes will be out)
Thompson Troy Ward McEveley
Tijane Gladwin Luongo Byrne
Murphy Smith
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If N'Guessan fit Byrne to LB and Murphy ion the wing
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If Louis back in for Gladwin
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Granted Thompson and Jay were not available for Orient but Barthram Smith and Reckford were - all natural fullbacks who could have slotted in
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I would go for Gladwin as Kasim was awful and we looked good when he was banned - granted it was Louis alongside Luongo - but let's see what Gladwin can do in HIS POSITION
We have a large squad and cover in all positions and have done for virtually every game. Admittedly some, like Ranger, can't be replaced with same quality but it should be no excuse.

Just don't understand why some away games eg Wolves, Port Vale, we are really up for it and play tactically to get the ball forward quickly, then in other games we look scared to death of the opposition and out comes the tippy tappy shambles.

Surely the have a go tactics should be employed at all times, you could then take his 'young team' and 'have patience' comments more seriously.

Wolves away the best example of this - we had a go against decent opposition on moneybags wages, didn't win, but a great game of entertaining football.

Port Vale - again, we got the result against not so good opposition after taking the game to them for 90 minutes.

Unfortunately despite great ball skills and technical ability imo Kasim and Harley are too one-paced and not dynamic enough, I would be looking to move them both on at end of season.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: “People have to grasp that we are going to play football and we are probably going to lose some games along the way because of the way we’re trying to do it." If Pellegrini Mourinho Moyes etc made that comment they would be sacked on the spot, or things made very clear that perhaps they would like to try a different way that may produce wins.... Power surety can't be happy with his manager making comments like this?![/p][/quote]Once again again Cooper blames his players and trots out another one from his book of excuses, but it's never his fault is it for trying to defend for 90 minutes with a bunch of players that struggle with that area of their game.yes, granted, with the injuries and suspensions it was far from our best team, and on paper a defeat against a top of the table team away from home was not entirely unexpected, but given their rare chance, some of these players should have been chomping on the bit to prove themselves. How does Cooper expect to get anything out of a game with no shot on target. Cooper emphasised the point Orient had been together a long time “They close you down and press and hope that you make mistakes and when you do they take advantage of it,” he said. Elementary my dear Cooper, so why are you not learning from managers with more experience. Your tactics stink and trying to get players who are not suited to that style of play is madness. Simple answer is to either get players in that do play defensive or change your style to suit what you've got and play the football in their half and not ours..[/p][/quote]I said the same thing on another thread - time for him to admit he got it wrong . This depleted squad stuff is total bull! . Barthram is a right back so he could have played . That frees up Byrne who is comfortable as a left midfielder - where as Gladwin clearly isn't . You then have Tijane who is a natural winger meaning if you want Byrne at RB we could still have width in a 451 . Then Cooper was the one who subbed our only attacking threat in Murphy when 2-0 instead of adding to him . For once he has to take the blame and not hide behind injuries . Yes we are missing key players and not as strong as we could have been with both Thompspns Pritchard and Ranger - but we still has enough to name a competitive side with players in THEIR position! . For Crawley . Belford (guess Wes will be out) Thompson Troy Ward McEveley Tijane Gladwin Luongo Byrne Murphy Smith . If N'Guessan fit Byrne to LB and Murphy ion the wing . If Louis back in for Gladwin . Granted Thompson and Jay were not available for Orient but Barthram Smith and Reckford were - all natural fullbacks who could have slotted in . I would go for Gladwin as Kasim was awful and we looked good when he was banned - granted it was Louis alongside Luongo - but let's see what Gladwin can do in HIS POSITION[/p][/quote]We have a large squad and cover in all positions and have done for virtually every game. Admittedly some, like Ranger, can't be replaced with same quality but it should be no excuse. Just don't understand why some away games eg Wolves, Port Vale, we are really up for it and play tactically to get the ball forward quickly, then in other games we look scared to death of the opposition and out comes the tippy tappy shambles. Surely the have a go tactics should be employed at all times, you could then take his 'young team' and 'have patience' comments more seriously. Wolves away the best example of this - we had a go against decent opposition on moneybags wages, didn't win, but a great game of entertaining football. Port Vale - again, we got the result against not so good opposition after taking the game to them for 90 minutes. Unfortunately despite great ball skills and technical ability imo Kasim and Harley are too one-paced and not dynamic enough, I would be looking to move them both on at end of season. Wilesy

10:40am Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

hertz wrote:
I had to listen on radio which is shame I like going over to the O's, apart from year before when that flare hit me onthe head .
I know folks are saying we are doing far better than expected and that is true , but then having watched the same players play great stuff against Wolves, Chelsea ,Coventry even Posh we started to think wait a minute we have something special here , with correct management these lads can actually acieve something , but it does'nt change , we don't build on it and thats where I struggle , the players never take any notice of Cooper throughout the whole 90 mins , other managers call the players over at every dead ball situaton get fluid into them and some instructions , he aint got no instructions . Sorry but yes I do think we are doing a lot better than we all expected but I thik we could do better still . Christian Roberts did the commentay on the radio , he said " getting these players fit for the play off , these players are ony fit for the beach " they just are'nt focussed they need someone to take it by the scruff and shake it all up , even if Nice Mr Cooper thinks thats not the plan I doubt losing 2-0 was in the plans so someone shok have taken control to change things ,
Good post,
Ranger is going to be a massive loss and we certainly missed both the Thompsons,there was lot player missing from recent good away performances and u thought we would go down to a heavier defeat.
I was there Saturday and i don't think the gap was that massive,Belford also had little work to do, same for Brentford who we matched and only lost because of defensive errors.
There really is not a lot between us and some of the "top" teams.
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: I had to listen on radio which is shame I like going over to the O's, apart from year before when that flare hit me onthe head . I know folks are saying we are doing far better than expected and that is true , but then having watched the same players play great stuff against Wolves, Chelsea ,Coventry even Posh we started to think wait a minute we have something special here , with correct management these lads can actually acieve something , but it does'nt change , we don't build on it and thats where I struggle , the players never take any notice of Cooper throughout the whole 90 mins , other managers call the players over at every dead ball situaton get fluid into them and some instructions , he aint got no instructions . Sorry but yes I do think we are doing a lot better than we all expected but I thik we could do better still . Christian Roberts did the commentay on the radio , he said " getting these players fit for the play off , these players are ony fit for the beach " they just are'nt focussed they need someone to take it by the scruff and shake it all up , even if Nice Mr Cooper thinks thats not the plan I doubt losing 2-0 was in the plans so someone shok have taken control to change things ,[/p][/quote]Good post, Ranger is going to be a massive loss and we certainly missed both the Thompsons,there was lot player missing from recent good away performances and u thought we would go down to a heavier defeat. I was there Saturday and i don't think the gap was that massive,Belford also had little work to do, same for Brentford who we matched and only lost because of defensive errors. There really is not a lot between us and some of the "top" teams. swwindon61uk

10:41am Mon 24 Feb 14

London Red says...

The Jockster wrote:
London Red wrote:
Since 1950 wrote: The difference is Slade has had an established squad on which to build. They have been together for a few season and with luck or whatever, have had few long term injuries. We don't know what squad we'll have next season the way the club is structured. We'll more than likely have to repeat the exercise next season of trying to attract different loan players. We have seen some good and some awful this season. Our current form is a worry going into the end of the season. The main worry for me is the lack of leadership anywhere in the team. Also we lack experience - from the Manager down.
I'm in favour of a passing style and building from the back - it's what the top teams do and it is what brought us some sublime football this year here at Swindon . However - it has to have a purpose and on Sat there was none . The most annoying thing on Sat was Belford was clearly instructed to play a short goal kick to Ward or Troy. They were closed down and the ball was given back to Belford who was closed down and had to rush a clearance . Why? Why not simply take a normal goal kick! . Also how Kasim and Harley stayed on was beyond me as they were woeful . The ball would come to them and the would slow it down - turn in fileld - knock it 3 yards to the other - knock it back again - then again and eventually go to the open Belford . Yet the whole time we had Murphy or Tijane calling for it to be played out wide early . Or we had Byrne make a 50 yard dash into space to be ignored and then have to chase back as the ball was lost! . Yes play it on the ground, build from the defence and through midfield - BUT - always have an end goal in mind - either a ball out wide or in the channels to hurt the opposition
LR I am pleased that you obviously saw on Saturday how woeful the majority of our away performances have been this season and several home ones haven't been much better. You mention rightly the tippy tappy goal kicks - me nuts! The number of times this has led to the keeper being out under pressure and even conceding goals is laughable and Cooper's defence " we have to play a certain way" is a joke! Mix it up occasionally ffs! Yes we all want to see neat passing football on the deck but we've been sussed far too many times now and it shows in the results - would he still be humming the same tune if this insistence on tippy tappy saw us relegated? Cooper has received my full backing and will continue to do so but some of his excuses aside from the valid injury ones are wearing a bit thin and if he's not careful he'll tip the balance between overall support for him and those that want him out. He's the easy option for Power and certainly not my choice as to being somebody who can take the team forward long term.
QPR for me is the prime example of how we should play
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we lined up that night:
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Wes
Thompson Ward Hall Smith
Kasim Harley Luongo
Pritchard Ranger Byrne
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OK Ranger and Hall are out long term - but the others are still all here - so why can't we play like that now?
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Especially as we have newer alternatives - i.e Luongo can go more forward instead of Harley who is a massive disappointment and Louis can come in as the defensive one!
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Byrne can drop back to provide an overlapping fullback with Murphy or Tijane providing the attacking option
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There we still played it from the back often with Wes rolling it out to Hall or Ward to start it of - luckily no stupid short goal kick!
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But there we also mixed it up and if they closed us down the ball went long to Ranger
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The short passing is not the issue to start with - it often gets us into a decent position - its just now we seemed to turn back on ourselves rather than go for the killer blow - i.e. a through ball or a ball to set the winger free
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Had Kasim simply played it wide to Tijane he would only have one to beat - instead when it eventually found him Orient were back in 2 blocks of 4 and had 2 or 3 on him and we went nowhere
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First half we did actually play Murphy in a few times early and that is where we started to look like we might create something - so why stop?
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: The difference is Slade has had an established squad on which to build. They have been together for a few season and with luck or whatever, have had few long term injuries. We don't know what squad we'll have next season the way the club is structured. We'll more than likely have to repeat the exercise next season of trying to attract different loan players. We have seen some good and some awful this season. Our current form is a worry going into the end of the season. The main worry for me is the lack of leadership anywhere in the team. Also we lack experience - from the Manager down.[/p][/quote]I'm in favour of a passing style and building from the back - it's what the top teams do and it is what brought us some sublime football this year here at Swindon . However - it has to have a purpose and on Sat there was none . The most annoying thing on Sat was Belford was clearly instructed to play a short goal kick to Ward or Troy. They were closed down and the ball was given back to Belford who was closed down and had to rush a clearance . Why? Why not simply take a normal goal kick! . Also how Kasim and Harley stayed on was beyond me as they were woeful . The ball would come to them and the would slow it down - turn in fileld - knock it 3 yards to the other - knock it back again - then again and eventually go to the open Belford . Yet the whole time we had Murphy or Tijane calling for it to be played out wide early . Or we had Byrne make a 50 yard dash into space to be ignored and then have to chase back as the ball was lost! . Yes play it on the ground, build from the defence and through midfield - BUT - always have an end goal in mind - either a ball out wide or in the channels to hurt the opposition[/p][/quote]LR I am pleased that you obviously saw on Saturday how woeful the majority of our away performances have been this season and several home ones haven't been much better. You mention rightly the tippy tappy goal kicks - me nuts! The number of times this has led to the keeper being out under pressure and even conceding goals is laughable and Cooper's defence " we have to play a certain way" is a joke! Mix it up occasionally ffs! Yes we all want to see neat passing football on the deck but we've been sussed far too many times now and it shows in the results - would he still be humming the same tune if this insistence on tippy tappy saw us relegated? Cooper has received my full backing and will continue to do so but some of his excuses aside from the valid injury ones are wearing a bit thin and if he's not careful he'll tip the balance between overall support for him and those that want him out. He's the easy option for Power and certainly not my choice as to being somebody who can take the team forward long term.[/p][/quote]QPR for me is the prime example of how we should play . we lined up that night: . Wes Thompson Ward Hall Smith Kasim Harley Luongo Pritchard Ranger Byrne . OK Ranger and Hall are out long term - but the others are still all here - so why can't we play like that now? . Especially as we have newer alternatives - i.e Luongo can go more forward instead of Harley who is a massive disappointment and Louis can come in as the defensive one! . Byrne can drop back to provide an overlapping fullback with Murphy or Tijane providing the attacking option . There we still played it from the back often with Wes rolling it out to Hall or Ward to start it of - luckily no stupid short goal kick! . But there we also mixed it up and if they closed us down the ball went long to Ranger . The short passing is not the issue to start with - it often gets us into a decent position - its just now we seemed to turn back on ourselves rather than go for the killer blow - i.e. a through ball or a ball to set the winger free . Had Kasim simply played it wide to Tijane he would only have one to beat - instead when it eventually found him Orient were back in 2 blocks of 4 and had 2 or 3 on him and we went nowhere . First half we did actually play Murphy in a few times early and that is where we started to look like we might create something - so why stop? London Red

10:43am Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

House with no name wrote:
I would suggest the Club knew something when the ticket prices for next season were announced - If they were actually seeking a promotion the prices would not have been released until they actually knew what division they were playing in - or am I missing something?
£27 is Championship prices!!
[quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: I would suggest the Club knew something when the ticket prices for next season were announced - If they were actually seeking a promotion the prices would not have been released until they actually knew what division they were playing in - or am I missing something?[/p][/quote]£27 is Championship prices!! swwindon61uk

10:56am Mon 24 Feb 14

stfcflag says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
who am i wrote:
patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.
And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31
This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?
I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch.
I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.
Ozzie lost games but they were lost 4-3 after attacking the opponents box for 90 minutes creating chance after chance, not playing keep ball .... Ozzie's style of football was far more like PDC's than our current style. I like Cooper but in answer to your question 'This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?' Yes it would, please bring back ozzie now he was a legend and I'd rip your arm off to have him leading the team. It's a different world of football in my eye even though there have been glimses of great football this year they've been too rare for my tastes
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.[/p][/quote]And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31 This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it? I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch. I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.[/p][/quote]Ozzie lost games but they were lost 4-3 after attacking the opponents box for 90 minutes creating chance after chance, not playing keep ball .... Ozzie's style of football was far more like PDC's than our current style. I like Cooper but in answer to your question 'This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?' Yes it would, please bring back ozzie now he was a legend and I'd rip your arm off to have him leading the team. It's a different world of football in my eye even though there have been glimses of great football this year they've been too rare for my tastes stfcflag

11:00am Mon 24 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

hertz wrote:
I had to listen on radio which is shame I like going over to the O's, apart from year before when that flare hit me onthe head . I know folks are saying we are doing far better than expected and that is true , but then having watched the same players play great stuff against Wolves, Chelsea ,Coventry even Posh we started to think wait a minute we have something special here , with correct management these lads can actually acieve something , but it does'nt change , we don't build on it and thats where I struggle , the players never take any notice of Cooper throughout the whole 90 mins , other managers call the players over at every dead ball situaton get fluid into them and some instructions , he aint got no instructions . Sorry but yes I do think we are doing a lot better than we all expected but I thik we could do better still . Christian Roberts did the commentay on the radio , he said " getting these players fit for the play off , these players are ony fit for the beach " they just are'nt focussed they need someone to take it by the scruff and shake it all up , even if Nice Mr Cooper thinks thats not the plan I doubt losing 2-0 was in the plans so someone shok have taken control to change things ,
Fair play we did well against Wolves (though lost out with some poor defending it has to be said), but I thought we were very fortunate against Coventry (great goal to win it but if Conventry could've hit a barn door that way they should have beaten us) and against Posh in our league game against them at home.

We have played good football at times this season and have gotten to a decent position in the league, think the frustation comes in when we've lost to poor teams and if we could have tightened things up in certain areas we definitely could have seen a play off finish. Unfortunately, gifting too many cheap goals and allowing teams in against us has probably resigned us to a top half finish but no more than that - decent given the shake up in board/management/tea
m etc but could have been so much more.
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: I had to listen on radio which is shame I like going over to the O's, apart from year before when that flare hit me onthe head . I know folks are saying we are doing far better than expected and that is true , but then having watched the same players play great stuff against Wolves, Chelsea ,Coventry even Posh we started to think wait a minute we have something special here , with correct management these lads can actually acieve something , but it does'nt change , we don't build on it and thats where I struggle , the players never take any notice of Cooper throughout the whole 90 mins , other managers call the players over at every dead ball situaton get fluid into them and some instructions , he aint got no instructions . Sorry but yes I do think we are doing a lot better than we all expected but I thik we could do better still . Christian Roberts did the commentay on the radio , he said " getting these players fit for the play off , these players are ony fit for the beach " they just are'nt focussed they need someone to take it by the scruff and shake it all up , even if Nice Mr Cooper thinks thats not the plan I doubt losing 2-0 was in the plans so someone shok have taken control to change things ,[/p][/quote]Fair play we did well against Wolves (though lost out with some poor defending it has to be said), but I thought we were very fortunate against Coventry (great goal to win it but if Conventry could've hit a barn door that way they should have beaten us) and against Posh in our league game against them at home. We have played good football at times this season and have gotten to a decent position in the league, think the frustation comes in when we've lost to poor teams and if we could have tightened things up in certain areas we definitely could have seen a play off finish. Unfortunately, gifting too many cheap goals and allowing teams in against us has probably resigned us to a top half finish but no more than that - decent given the shake up in board/management/tea m etc but could have been so much more. Swindon1984

11:08am Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

stfcflag wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
who am i wrote:
patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.
And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31
This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?
I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch.
I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.
Ozzie lost games but they were lost 4-3 after attacking the opponents box for 90 minutes creating chance after chance, not playing keep ball .... Ozzie's style of football was far more like PDC's than our current style. I like Cooper but in answer to your question 'This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?' Yes it would, please bring back ozzie now he was a legend and I'd rip your arm off to have him leading the team. It's a different world of football in my eye even though there have been glimses of great football this year they've been too rare for my tastes
Don't mean to be pedantic but if you look there was very few 4-3's but yes it was very entertaining times.
[quote][p][bold]stfcflag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.[/p][/quote]And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31 This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it? I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch. I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.[/p][/quote]Ozzie lost games but they were lost 4-3 after attacking the opponents box for 90 minutes creating chance after chance, not playing keep ball .... Ozzie's style of football was far more like PDC's than our current style. I like Cooper but in answer to your question 'This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?' Yes it would, please bring back ozzie now he was a legend and I'd rip your arm off to have him leading the team. It's a different world of football in my eye even though there have been glimses of great football this year they've been too rare for my tastes[/p][/quote]Don't mean to be pedantic but if you look there was very few 4-3's but yes it was very entertaining times. swwindon61uk

11:10am Mon 24 Feb 14

Hampshire_ReD says...

The one question I have in mind is - what are Power's plans for the club ?

Does he REALLY want promotion to the championship - along with the higher wage bills, and higher cost of bank-rolling the club.

If not then, (providing the club meet their attendances break-even point in League 1 & the club don't get relegated), Cooper can do whatever he likes.

As a supporter I find Cooper's formations produce some of the most boring football I have ever witnessed, due to the complete lack of direct attacking, and zero penetration.

Arguably Ranger & Pritchard have been the difference between draws and the odd win, due to the level of threat and opportunity they bring.

But if Power isn't that fussed by promotion - what will it take to get a change of manager ? I suspect nothing but a backlash from the supporters, e.g. boycotts.

I do expect to get a season ticket for next year - but I'm definitely not enthused by the thought of more of the same directionless, passive, lumbering Cooperite football.

Surely we can get an experienced manager from somewhere that doesn't cost the earth who can play 4-4-2, with the ball on the pitch ?
The one question I have in mind is - what are Power's plans for the club ? Does he REALLY want promotion to the championship - along with the higher wage bills, and higher cost of bank-rolling the club. If not then, (providing the club meet their attendances break-even point in League 1 & the club don't get relegated), Cooper can do whatever he likes. As a supporter I find Cooper's formations produce some of the most boring football I have ever witnessed, due to the complete lack of direct attacking, and zero penetration. Arguably Ranger & Pritchard have been the difference between draws and the odd win, due to the level of threat and opportunity they bring. But if Power isn't that fussed by promotion - what will it take to get a change of manager ? I suspect nothing but a backlash from the supporters, e.g. boycotts. I do expect to get a season ticket for next year - but I'm definitely not enthused by the thought of more of the same directionless, passive, lumbering Cooperite football. Surely we can get an experienced manager from somewhere that doesn't cost the earth who can play 4-4-2, with the ball on the pitch ? Hampshire_ReD

11:14am Mon 24 Feb 14

stfcflag says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
stfcflag wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
who am i wrote:
patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.
And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31
This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?
I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch.
I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.
Ozzie lost games but they were lost 4-3 after attacking the opponents box for 90 minutes creating chance after chance, not playing keep ball .... Ozzie's style of football was far more like PDC's than our current style. I like Cooper but in answer to your question 'This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?' Yes it would, please bring back ozzie now he was a legend and I'd rip your arm off to have him leading the team. It's a different world of football in my eye even though there have been glimses of great football this year they've been too rare for my tastes
Don't mean to be pedantic but if you look there was very few 4-3's but yes it was very entertaining times.
ha ha ha :) Nice, and in truth I think you did mean to be a pendant. Point taken though and yes it was very entertaining, it's definitely a season I look back on fondly where I enjoyed going to games
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcflag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.[/p][/quote]And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31 This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it? I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch. I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.[/p][/quote]Ozzie lost games but they were lost 4-3 after attacking the opponents box for 90 minutes creating chance after chance, not playing keep ball .... Ozzie's style of football was far more like PDC's than our current style. I like Cooper but in answer to your question 'This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?' Yes it would, please bring back ozzie now he was a legend and I'd rip your arm off to have him leading the team. It's a different world of football in my eye even though there have been glimses of great football this year they've been too rare for my tastes[/p][/quote]Don't mean to be pedantic but if you look there was very few 4-3's but yes it was very entertaining times.[/p][/quote]ha ha ha :) Nice, and in truth I think you did mean to be a pendant. Point taken though and yes it was very entertaining, it's definitely a season I look back on fondly where I enjoyed going to games stfcflag

11:15am Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

Got to say it is nice to see a good debate on here so far this morning.
Got to say it is nice to see a good debate on here so far this morning. swwindon61uk

11:18am Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

stfcflag wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
stfcflag wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
who am i wrote:
patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.
And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31
This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?
I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch.
I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.
Ozzie lost games but they were lost 4-3 after attacking the opponents box for 90 minutes creating chance after chance, not playing keep ball .... Ozzie's style of football was far more like PDC's than our current style. I like Cooper but in answer to your question 'This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?' Yes it would, please bring back ozzie now he was a legend and I'd rip your arm off to have him leading the team. It's a different world of football in my eye even though there have been glimses of great football this year they've been too rare for my tastes
Don't mean to be pedantic but if you look there was very few 4-3's but yes it was very entertaining times.
ha ha ha :) Nice, and in truth I think you did mean to be a pendant. Point taken though and yes it was very entertaining, it's definitely a season I look back on fondly where I enjoyed going to games
Playoff game at Blackburn being one of my favorite memories of all time, ticker tape welcome that had ro be seen to be believed,2-1 win on which i had a bet on at 12-1.
Happy days :-)
[quote][p][bold]stfcflag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcflag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.[/p][/quote]And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31 This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it? I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch. I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.[/p][/quote]Ozzie lost games but they were lost 4-3 after attacking the opponents box for 90 minutes creating chance after chance, not playing keep ball .... Ozzie's style of football was far more like PDC's than our current style. I like Cooper but in answer to your question 'This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?' Yes it would, please bring back ozzie now he was a legend and I'd rip your arm off to have him leading the team. It's a different world of football in my eye even though there have been glimses of great football this year they've been too rare for my tastes[/p][/quote]Don't mean to be pedantic but if you look there was very few 4-3's but yes it was very entertaining times.[/p][/quote]ha ha ha :) Nice, and in truth I think you did mean to be a pendant. Point taken though and yes it was very entertaining, it's definitely a season I look back on fondly where I enjoyed going to games[/p][/quote]Playoff game at Blackburn being one of my favorite memories of all time, ticker tape welcome that had ro be seen to be believed,2-1 win on which i had a bet on at 12-1. Happy days :-) swwindon61uk

11:20am Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

stfcflag wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
stfcflag wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
who am i wrote:
patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.
And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31
This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?
I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch.
I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.
Ozzie lost games but they were lost 4-3 after attacking the opponents box for 90 minutes creating chance after chance, not playing keep ball .... Ozzie's style of football was far more like PDC's than our current style. I like Cooper but in answer to your question 'This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?' Yes it would, please bring back ozzie now he was a legend and I'd rip your arm off to have him leading the team. It's a different world of football in my eye even though there have been glimses of great football this year they've been too rare for my tastes
Don't mean to be pedantic but if you look there was very few 4-3's but yes it was very entertaining times.
ha ha ha :) Nice, and in truth I think you did mean to be a pendant. Point taken though and yes it was very entertaining, it's definitely a season I look back on fondly where I enjoyed going to games
I didn't mean to be, because that is also how i seemed to remember the season,but i just had to look and ruin that memory!
[quote][p][bold]stfcflag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcflag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.[/p][/quote]And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31 This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it? I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch. I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.[/p][/quote]Ozzie lost games but they were lost 4-3 after attacking the opponents box for 90 minutes creating chance after chance, not playing keep ball .... Ozzie's style of football was far more like PDC's than our current style. I like Cooper but in answer to your question 'This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it?' Yes it would, please bring back ozzie now he was a legend and I'd rip your arm off to have him leading the team. It's a different world of football in my eye even though there have been glimses of great football this year they've been too rare for my tastes[/p][/quote]Don't mean to be pedantic but if you look there was very few 4-3's but yes it was very entertaining times.[/p][/quote]ha ha ha :) Nice, and in truth I think you did mean to be a pendant. Point taken though and yes it was very entertaining, it's definitely a season I look back on fondly where I enjoyed going to games[/p][/quote]I didn't mean to be, because that is also how i seemed to remember the season,but i just had to look and ruin that memory! swwindon61uk

11:34am Mon 24 Feb 14

who am i says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
who am i wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.
And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31 This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it? I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch. I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.
Ah statistics what a wonderful thing they are often people use the to back up their argument politicians use them all the time :) but they don't always show the full story. Ossis was in a no win situation second season he had a demoralised side I think even the top managers would of struggled that season. And managers had worked us out by the second season also we lost our best player too Southampton. So many reasons why his record was not so good second season. But the point I was making is he changed a long ball team into one of the best passing teams in the whole league many pundits said it at the time.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.[/p][/quote]And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31 This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it? I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch. I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.[/p][/quote]Ah statistics what a wonderful thing they are often people use the to back up their argument politicians use them all the time :) but they don't always show the full story. Ossis was in a no win situation second season he had a demoralised side I think even the top managers would of struggled that season. And managers had worked us out by the second season also we lost our best player too Southampton. So many reasons why his record was not so good second season. But the point I was making is he changed a long ball team into one of the best passing teams in the whole league many pundits said it at the time. who am i

11:38am Mon 24 Feb 14

who am i says...

bearwoodred wrote:
who am i wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.
not the same thing! That was in the league above with higher standard players many of which who had been together for 2 or 3 seasons. They were not all youngsters and loanees, it was a different era! Why is it every other teams fan in the country moans when a manager is sacked saying that they have not had enough time. Yet when it comes to Swindon, our own fans believe Cooper is expected to be challenging the top two and when he is not they want him out! No one has given us an alternative, available manager who would have got us higher than we are now and two pens away from Wembley. Keep the faith. We are in no danger whatsoever of being anywhere near the relegation battle. None, diddly squat. Do people honestly think that ALL the teams below us are going to win all the games? I seriously do not understand that school of thought. Looking at the fixtures we will win 9, maybe 10 - any more than that and we will be knocking on the playoffs. May big hope is that next season under Cooper we are one of the top sides and everyone on here will be saying " I was always behind him - never called for his head"! Bit like West Ham fans at Christmas who want big Sam out are now all denying it.
They weren't better players when we signed them macari and ossie made then into better players. Macari gave them the fitness and ossie showed them how to play. Hardly much difference between league one and championship in my opinion but yes your right most of ossies team had been together for a couple of seasons.
[quote][p][bold]bearwoodred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.[/p][/quote]not the same thing! That was in the league above with higher standard players many of which who had been together for 2 or 3 seasons. They were not all youngsters and loanees, it was a different era! Why is it every other teams fan in the country moans when a manager is sacked saying that they have not had enough time. Yet when it comes to Swindon, our own fans believe Cooper is expected to be challenging the top two and when he is not they want him out! No one has given us an alternative, available manager who would have got us higher than we are now and two pens away from Wembley. Keep the faith. We are in no danger whatsoever of being anywhere near the relegation battle. None, diddly squat. Do people honestly think that ALL the teams below us are going to win all the games? I seriously do not understand that school of thought. Looking at the fixtures we will win 9, maybe 10 - any more than that and we will be knocking on the playoffs. May big hope is that next season under Cooper we are one of the top sides and everyone on here will be saying " I was always behind him - never called for his head"! Bit like West Ham fans at Christmas who want big Sam out are now all denying it.[/p][/quote]They weren't better players when we signed them macari and ossie made then into better players. Macari gave them the fitness and ossie showed them how to play. Hardly much difference between league one and championship in my opinion but yes your right most of ossies team had been together for a couple of seasons. who am i

11:46am Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

who am i wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
who am i wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.
And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31 This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it? I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch. I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.
Ah statistics what a wonderful thing they are often people use the to back up their argument politicians use them all the time :) but they don't always show the full story. Ossis was in a no win situation second season he had a demoralised side I think even the top managers would of struggled that season. And managers had worked us out by the second season also we lost our best player too Southampton. So many reasons why his record was not so good second season. But the point I was making is he changed a long ball team into one of the best passing teams in the whole league many pundits said it at the time.
Can not disagree with much of this.
I also see McDonald/Cooper being in this no win situation you say (correctly) Ardiles was left in the 2nd season he was here, Di Canio being the same also,lost his best players,team did not do so well there after, McDonald and now Cooper left to pick up a very horrible situation all round at the club.
Ardiles also had money didn't he?
Can you remember many how many of Macari's team was left when Ardiles took over?
I know there were a few to go along with the new signings.
[quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]who am i[/bold] wrote: patient dont make me laugh. i remember ossie just having pre season to change our style of football from hoof ball under macari to a passing team. so dont give me that rubbish about patient. obviously cooper isnt up to it. nice man yes decent manager he is not.[/p][/quote]And Ardiles lost nearly as many as he had won by the time he left W 38 D 33 L 31 This would clearly not be good enough for the Town fan of today would it? I agree that was one hell of transformation and was a joy to watch. I will also say, and get shot down for it, we have played some good football this season,particularly September and October.[/p][/quote]Ah statistics what a wonderful thing they are often people use the to back up their argument politicians use them all the time :) but they don't always show the full story. Ossis was in a no win situation second season he had a demoralised side I think even the top managers would of struggled that season. And managers had worked us out by the second season also we lost our best player too Southampton. So many reasons why his record was not so good second season. But the point I was making is he changed a long ball team into one of the best passing teams in the whole league many pundits said it at the time.[/p][/quote]Can not disagree with much of this. I also see McDonald/Cooper being in this no win situation you say (correctly) Ardiles was left in the 2nd season he was here, Di Canio being the same also,lost his best players,team did not do so well there after, McDonald and now Cooper left to pick up a very horrible situation all round at the club. Ardiles also had money didn't he? Can you remember many how many of Macari's team was left when Ardiles took over? I know there were a few to go along with the new signings. swwindon61uk

12:23pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

I just want to be clear that its not just about the results when it comes to a manager, its the way we play and the motivation that players display when they are lining up, you would have thought that a top of the table clash we should be up for having a go.

MC is not someone I have warmed to, but IMO and it is only an oppinion, we have looked better when he plays to win games rather than try not to lose, He changed the formation after going 1-0 up which ultimately cost us the game, I have been to away games where we have looked worse than the Malpass team. Our budget is still reasonable for League 1, we shouldn't have to be relying on untried young players, look at teams like Walsall, they have built an ok squad.

Football has changed so much from the ardilles era so there is no comparison, but I am starting to get as bored with this year as I was with Boring Boring Malpass....
I just want to be clear that its not just about the results when it comes to a manager, its the way we play and the motivation that players display when they are lining up, you would have thought that a top of the table clash we should be up for having a go. MC is not someone I have warmed to, but IMO and it is only an oppinion, we have looked better when he plays to win games rather than try not to lose, He changed the formation after going 1-0 up which ultimately cost us the game, I have been to away games where we have looked worse than the Malpass team. Our budget is still reasonable for League 1, we shouldn't have to be relying on untried young players, look at teams like Walsall, they have built an ok squad. Football has changed so much from the ardilles era so there is no comparison, but I am starting to get as bored with this year as I was with Boring Boring Malpass.... Is that you Lovesey

12:24pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

Sorry I forgot to add in the JPT
Sorry I forgot to add in the JPT Is that you Lovesey

12:30pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

The most important thing for me is wanting Swindon Town to actually win games.
Whether we play so called "Hoof Ball" or not, I dont care, as long as we are successful.
If you try to play an extreme passing game, which clearly doesn't work in League One on poor wintertime playing surfaces; why on earth persist with it ?
In past times our "Hoof Ball" system with Jimmy Quinn and Dave Bamber up front were amongst the most exciting and successful times I have experienced during my many years of attending the County Ground.
Did Mark Cooper have any history of getting good results playing a slow moving passing game before he took over as Manager at Swindon ?
The answer I am afraid is no.
The most important thing for me is wanting Swindon Town to actually win games. Whether we play so called "Hoof Ball" or not, I dont care, as long as we are successful. If you try to play an extreme passing game, which clearly doesn't work in League One on poor wintertime playing surfaces; why on earth persist with it ? In past times our "Hoof Ball" system with Jimmy Quinn and Dave Bamber up front were amongst the most exciting and successful times I have experienced during my many years of attending the County Ground. Did Mark Cooper have any history of getting good results playing a slow moving passing game before he took over as Manager at Swindon ? The answer I am afraid is no. Old-Stager, Hilperton

12:57pm Mon 24 Feb 14

tifosi says...

London Red wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
London Red wrote:
Since 1950 wrote: The difference is Slade has had an established squad on which to build. They have been together for a few season and with luck or whatever, have had few long term injuries. We don't know what squad we'll have next season the way the club is structured. We'll more than likely have to repeat the exercise next season of trying to attract different loan players. We have seen some good and some awful this season. Our current form is a worry going into the end of the season. The main worry for me is the lack of leadership anywhere in the team. Also we lack experience - from the Manager down.
I'm in favour of a passing style and building from the back - it's what the top teams do and it is what brought us some sublime football this year here at Swindon . However - it has to have a purpose and on Sat there was none . The most annoying thing on Sat was Belford was clearly instructed to play a short goal kick to Ward or Troy. They were closed down and the ball was given back to Belford who was closed down and had to rush a clearance . Why? Why not simply take a normal goal kick! . Also how Kasim and Harley stayed on was beyond me as they were woeful . The ball would come to them and the would slow it down - turn in fileld - knock it 3 yards to the other - knock it back again - then again and eventually go to the open Belford . Yet the whole time we had Murphy or Tijane calling for it to be played out wide early . Or we had Byrne make a 50 yard dash into space to be ignored and then have to chase back as the ball was lost! . Yes play it on the ground, build from the defence and through midfield - BUT - always have an end goal in mind - either a ball out wide or in the channels to hurt the opposition
LR I am pleased that you obviously saw on Saturday how woeful the majority of our away performances have been this season and several home ones haven't been much better. You mention rightly the tippy tappy goal kicks - me nuts! The number of times this has led to the keeper being out under pressure and even conceding goals is laughable and Cooper's defence " we have to play a certain way" is a joke! Mix it up occasionally ffs! Yes we all want to see neat passing football on the deck but we've been sussed far too many times now and it shows in the results - would he still be humming the same tune if this insistence on tippy tappy saw us relegated? Cooper has received my full backing and will continue to do so but some of his excuses aside from the valid injury ones are wearing a bit thin and if he's not careful he'll tip the balance between overall support for him and those that want him out. He's the easy option for Power and certainly not my choice as to being somebody who can take the team forward long term.
QPR for me is the prime example of how we should play
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we lined up that night:
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Wes
Thompson Ward Hall Smith
Kasim Harley Luongo
Pritchard Ranger Byrne
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OK Ranger and Hall are out long term - but the others are still all here - so why can't we play like that now?
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Especially as we have newer alternatives - i.e Luongo can go more forward instead of Harley who is a massive disappointment and Louis can come in as the defensive one!
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Byrne can drop back to provide an overlapping fullback with Murphy or Tijane providing the attacking option
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There we still played it from the back often with Wes rolling it out to Hall or Ward to start it of - luckily no stupid short goal kick!
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But there we also mixed it up and if they closed us down the ball went long to Ranger
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The short passing is not the issue to start with - it often gets us into a decent position - its just now we seemed to turn back on ourselves rather than go for the killer blow - i.e. a through ball or a ball to set the winger free
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Had Kasim simply played it wide to Tijane he would only have one to beat - instead when it eventually found him Orient were back in 2 blocks of 4 and had 2 or 3 on him and we went nowhere
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First half we did actually play Murphy in a few times early and that is where we started to look like we might create something - so why stop?
LR - some of your tactical analysis is a bit over my head I must admit but the 'killer blow' as you say is what we lack imo. Often we seem lacking in confidence to get the ball forward for the final go at goal, or we seem to be lacking in ideas about what to do with the ball when we've got it. I like Mark Cooper and he's done a pretty good job under difficult circumstances, but I think his tactical awareness and coaching is lacking when it comes to converting possession into attempts at goal
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: The difference is Slade has had an established squad on which to build. They have been together for a few season and with luck or whatever, have had few long term injuries. We don't know what squad we'll have next season the way the club is structured. We'll more than likely have to repeat the exercise next season of trying to attract different loan players. We have seen some good and some awful this season. Our current form is a worry going into the end of the season. The main worry for me is the lack of leadership anywhere in the team. Also we lack experience - from the Manager down.[/p][/quote]I'm in favour of a passing style and building from the back - it's what the top teams do and it is what brought us some sublime football this year here at Swindon . However - it has to have a purpose and on Sat there was none . The most annoying thing on Sat was Belford was clearly instructed to play a short goal kick to Ward or Troy. They were closed down and the ball was given back to Belford who was closed down and had to rush a clearance . Why? Why not simply take a normal goal kick! . Also how Kasim and Harley stayed on was beyond me as they were woeful . The ball would come to them and the would slow it down - turn in fileld - knock it 3 yards to the other - knock it back again - then again and eventually go to the open Belford . Yet the whole time we had Murphy or Tijane calling for it to be played out wide early . Or we had Byrne make a 50 yard dash into space to be ignored and then have to chase back as the ball was lost! . Yes play it on the ground, build from the defence and through midfield - BUT - always have an end goal in mind - either a ball out wide or in the channels to hurt the opposition[/p][/quote]LR I am pleased that you obviously saw on Saturday how woeful the majority of our away performances have been this season and several home ones haven't been much better. You mention rightly the tippy tappy goal kicks - me nuts! The number of times this has led to the keeper being out under pressure and even conceding goals is laughable and Cooper's defence " we have to play a certain way" is a joke! Mix it up occasionally ffs! Yes we all want to see neat passing football on the deck but we've been sussed far too many times now and it shows in the results - would he still be humming the same tune if this insistence on tippy tappy saw us relegated? Cooper has received my full backing and will continue to do so but some of his excuses aside from the valid injury ones are wearing a bit thin and if he's not careful he'll tip the balance between overall support for him and those that want him out. He's the easy option for Power and certainly not my choice as to being somebody who can take the team forward long term.[/p][/quote]QPR for me is the prime example of how we should play . we lined up that night: . Wes Thompson Ward Hall Smith Kasim Harley Luongo Pritchard Ranger Byrne . OK Ranger and Hall are out long term - but the others are still all here - so why can't we play like that now? . Especially as we have newer alternatives - i.e Luongo can go more forward instead of Harley who is a massive disappointment and Louis can come in as the defensive one! . Byrne can drop back to provide an overlapping fullback with Murphy or Tijane providing the attacking option . There we still played it from the back often with Wes rolling it out to Hall or Ward to start it of - luckily no stupid short goal kick! . But there we also mixed it up and if they closed us down the ball went long to Ranger . The short passing is not the issue to start with - it often gets us into a decent position - its just now we seemed to turn back on ourselves rather than go for the killer blow - i.e. a through ball or a ball to set the winger free . Had Kasim simply played it wide to Tijane he would only have one to beat - instead when it eventually found him Orient were back in 2 blocks of 4 and had 2 or 3 on him and we went nowhere . First half we did actually play Murphy in a few times early and that is where we started to look like we might create something - so why stop?[/p][/quote]LR - some of your tactical analysis is a bit over my head I must admit but the 'killer blow' as you say is what we lack imo. Often we seem lacking in confidence to get the ball forward for the final go at goal, or we seem to be lacking in ideas about what to do with the ball when we've got it. I like Mark Cooper and he's done a pretty good job under difficult circumstances, but I think his tactical awareness and coaching is lacking when it comes to converting possession into attempts at goal tifosi

1:08pm Mon 24 Feb 14

buckobassettboy says...

Macari,Ardiles,Hoddl
e and Di Canio.All brilliant footballers during their careers which had to have some influence-and did-when they were at the helm at our Swindon.Now we have Cooper after Macdonut,after Malpass who were not brilliant at anything apart from being the puppets controlled from above.The excuses Cooper reels out,week after week makes me sick to the teeth and when Slade came out with 'Mark Cooper is doing a great job at Swindon' I nearly fell off my seat!Anyone noticed our current position in the league?-we are going for a mid table finish.25 pounds to watch this effort is a right royal pi$$ take.I drove past Brisbane Rd at 2.30 on Saturday and narrowly avoided being mugged in broad daylight.Went to work instead.
Macari,Ardiles,Hoddl e and Di Canio.All brilliant footballers during their careers which had to have some influence-and did-when they were at the helm at our Swindon.Now we have Cooper after Macdonut,after Malpass who were not brilliant at anything apart from being the puppets controlled from above.The excuses Cooper reels out,week after week makes me sick to the teeth and when Slade came out with 'Mark Cooper is doing a great job at Swindon' I nearly fell off my seat!Anyone noticed our current position in the league?-we are going for a mid table finish.25 pounds to watch this effort is a right royal pi$$ take.I drove past Brisbane Rd at 2.30 on Saturday and narrowly avoided being mugged in broad daylight.Went to work instead. buckobassettboy

1:23pm Mon 24 Feb 14

sagadude says...

port de soller wrote:
same old story week in week out,and the injury situation unbelievable,just fed up with the same dribble cooper comes out with.Style of football?????get the players fit
Cooper?.

Is he still there :-(
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: same old story week in week out,and the injury situation unbelievable,just fed up with the same dribble cooper comes out with.Style of football?????get the players fit[/p][/quote]Cooper?. Is he still there :-( sagadude

1:27pm Mon 24 Feb 14

sagadude says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
House with no name wrote:
I repeat what I said on another thread - The only recent successes we have had have been when we have had good managers all trusted in the higher levels of the game and could attract good players - Macari, Ossie, Hoddle and of course de Canio - hardly rocket science, speculate to accumulate if you want success, otherwise don't complain when relegated to the Conference.

Of course there are so many injuries when you all play football like fairies in Division 1, that style is fine in the Premiership but not Division 1 where a more forceful approach is required.

We have seen the promise of promotion and a paint pot cup final disappear by poor team management - but I guess that comes directly from the owner.
e had success also with King and McMahon but i would not call them good managers.
Ardiles,Hoddle and Di Canio all had money to spend and PDC certainly did attract the players and he also lost a lot of players.
RobinsOnFire keeps banging on about Story and Joe Butler Benson but i think our biggest mistake the last couple of seasons was not playing Chris Martin.
"Ardiles,Hoddle and Di Canio all had money to spend and PDC certainly did attract the players and he also lost a lot of players."

- The money was not there before they joined. Attracting them to the club also attracted the sponsors, the money, the crowds and the ambition.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: I repeat what I said on another thread - The only recent successes we have had have been when we have had good managers all trusted in the higher levels of the game and could attract good players - Macari, Ossie, Hoddle and of course de Canio - hardly rocket science, speculate to accumulate if you want success, otherwise don't complain when relegated to the Conference. Of course there are so many injuries when you all play football like fairies in Division 1, that style is fine in the Premiership but not Division 1 where a more forceful approach is required. We have seen the promise of promotion and a paint pot cup final disappear by poor team management - but I guess that comes directly from the owner.[/p][/quote]e had success also with King and McMahon but i would not call them good managers. Ardiles,Hoddle and Di Canio all had money to spend and PDC certainly did attract the players and he also lost a lot of players. RobinsOnFire keeps banging on about Story and Joe Butler Benson but i think our biggest mistake the last couple of seasons was not playing Chris Martin.[/p][/quote]"Ardiles,Hoddle and Di Canio all had money to spend and PDC certainly did attract the players and he also lost a lot of players." - The money was not there before they joined. Attracting them to the club also attracted the sponsors, the money, the crowds and the ambition. sagadude

1:28pm Mon 24 Feb 14

sagadude says...

sagadude wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
House with no name wrote:
I repeat what I said on another thread - The only recent successes we have had have been when we have had good managers all trusted in the higher levels of the game and could attract good players - Macari, Ossie, Hoddle and of course de Canio - hardly rocket science, speculate to accumulate if you want success, otherwise don't complain when relegated to the Conference.

Of course there are so many injuries when you all play football like fairies in Division 1, that style is fine in the Premiership but not Division 1 where a more forceful approach is required.

We have seen the promise of promotion and a paint pot cup final disappear by poor team management - but I guess that comes directly from the owner.
e had success also with King and McMahon but i would not call them good managers.
Ardiles,Hoddle and Di Canio all had money to spend and PDC certainly did attract the players and he also lost a lot of players.
RobinsOnFire keeps banging on about Story and Joe Butler Benson but i think our biggest mistake the last couple of seasons was not playing Chris Martin.
"Ardiles,Hoddle and Di Canio all had money to spend and PDC certainly did attract the players and he also lost a lot of players."

- The money was not there before they joined. Attracting them to the club also attracted the sponsors, the money, the crowds and the ambition.
Speculate to accumulate..........
..........simple.
[quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: I repeat what I said on another thread - The only recent successes we have had have been when we have had good managers all trusted in the higher levels of the game and could attract good players - Macari, Ossie, Hoddle and of course de Canio - hardly rocket science, speculate to accumulate if you want success, otherwise don't complain when relegated to the Conference. Of course there are so many injuries when you all play football like fairies in Division 1, that style is fine in the Premiership but not Division 1 where a more forceful approach is required. We have seen the promise of promotion and a paint pot cup final disappear by poor team management - but I guess that comes directly from the owner.[/p][/quote]e had success also with King and McMahon but i would not call them good managers. Ardiles,Hoddle and Di Canio all had money to spend and PDC certainly did attract the players and he also lost a lot of players. RobinsOnFire keeps banging on about Story and Joe Butler Benson but i think our biggest mistake the last couple of seasons was not playing Chris Martin.[/p][/quote]"Ardiles,Hoddle and Di Canio all had money to spend and PDC certainly did attract the players and he also lost a lot of players." - The money was not there before they joined. Attracting them to the club also attracted the sponsors, the money, the crowds and the ambition.[/p][/quote]Speculate to accumulate.......... ..........simple. sagadude

1:31pm Mon 24 Feb 14

London Red says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
The most important thing for me is wanting Swindon Town to actually win games. Whether we play so called "Hoof Ball" or not, I dont care, as long as we are successful. If you try to play an extreme passing game, which clearly doesn't work in League One on poor wintertime playing surfaces; why on earth persist with it ? In past times our "Hoof Ball" system with Jimmy Quinn and Dave Bamber up front were amongst the most exciting and successful times I have experienced during my many years of attending the County Ground. Did Mark Cooper have any history of getting good results playing a slow moving passing game before he took over as Manager at Swindon ? The answer I am afraid is no.
Couldn't disagree more!
.
There is no way on earth I want us to go 442 hoof ball from full backs to Centre Forwards and hope to win a game 1-0 off a set piece
.
Watching some teams do that in L2 is absolutely horrible and far far far worse than the "practice match" football people complain about which we are playing
.
Also even if we were to get up off it we would be hammered in the Championship trying to play like that - why else do you think there is a direct correlation between passing and division!
.
As tifosi said for some unknown reason we seem to have lost our confidence to kill a move off - maybe that is simply the blow of losing Pritchard and Ranger?
.
But whatever it is we just need to get that back and we will be fine - as we have been for pretty much every home game and a few recent away games - i.e Walsall, Posh and PV which are all tricky places to go
.
IMO we are not far away from where we need to be - think this season is slipping away to being completelty over - but until it is we shouldn't experiement
.
But as soon as it is I would want us focussing on next year and trying players lie Gladwin, Barker, Storey, Barthram, Oakley and Alex Smith to see if they are up to it
.
Belford
Barthram Branco Oakley A.Smith
Storey L.Thompson Gladwin Tijane
M.Smith Barker
.
With the exception of L.Thompson and possibly M.Smith - that would be our reserve team - so lets seee what they can do once neither POs or Relegation are possible - otherwise how will we know what we need to add?
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: The most important thing for me is wanting Swindon Town to actually win games. Whether we play so called "Hoof Ball" or not, I dont care, as long as we are successful. If you try to play an extreme passing game, which clearly doesn't work in League One on poor wintertime playing surfaces; why on earth persist with it ? In past times our "Hoof Ball" system with Jimmy Quinn and Dave Bamber up front were amongst the most exciting and successful times I have experienced during my many years of attending the County Ground. Did Mark Cooper have any history of getting good results playing a slow moving passing game before he took over as Manager at Swindon ? The answer I am afraid is no.[/p][/quote]Couldn't disagree more! . There is no way on earth I want us to go 442 hoof ball from full backs to Centre Forwards and hope to win a game 1-0 off a set piece . Watching some teams do that in L2 is absolutely horrible and far far far worse than the "practice match" football people complain about which we are playing . Also even if we were to get up off it we would be hammered in the Championship trying to play like that - why else do you think there is a direct correlation between passing and division! . As tifosi said for some unknown reason we seem to have lost our confidence to kill a move off - maybe that is simply the blow of losing Pritchard and Ranger? . But whatever it is we just need to get that back and we will be fine - as we have been for pretty much every home game and a few recent away games - i.e Walsall, Posh and PV which are all tricky places to go . IMO we are not far away from where we need to be - think this season is slipping away to being completelty over - but until it is we shouldn't experiement . But as soon as it is I would want us focussing on next year and trying players lie Gladwin, Barker, Storey, Barthram, Oakley and Alex Smith to see if they are up to it . Belford Barthram Branco Oakley A.Smith Storey L.Thompson Gladwin Tijane M.Smith Barker . With the exception of L.Thompson and possibly M.Smith - that would be our reserve team - so lets seee what they can do once neither POs or Relegation are possible - otherwise how will we know what we need to add? London Red

2:15pm Mon 24 Feb 14

House with no name says...

How much of all this the responsibility of the sole owner of the club?
How much of all this the responsibility of the sole owner of the club? House with no name

2:18pm Mon 24 Feb 14

6degreessouth says...

Taxi time me thinks
Taxi time me thinks 6degreessouth

2:21pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
The most important thing for me is wanting Swindon Town to actually win games. Whether we play so called "Hoof Ball" or not, I dont care, as long as we are successful. If you try to play an extreme passing game, which clearly doesn't work in League One on poor wintertime playing surfaces; why on earth persist with it ? In past times our "Hoof Ball" system with Jimmy Quinn and Dave Bamber up front were amongst the most exciting and successful times I have experienced during my many years of attending the County Ground. Did Mark Cooper have any history of getting good results playing a slow moving passing game before he took over as Manager at Swindon ? The answer I am afraid is no.
Couldn't disagree more!
.
There is no way on earth I want us to go 442 hoof ball from full backs to Centre Forwards and hope to win a game 1-0 off a set piece
.
Watching some teams do that in L2 is absolutely horrible and far far far worse than the "practice match" football people complain about which we are playing
.
Also even if we were to get up off it we would be hammered in the Championship trying to play like that - why else do you think there is a direct correlation between passing and division!
.
As tifosi said for some unknown reason we seem to have lost our confidence to kill a move off - maybe that is simply the blow of losing Pritchard and Ranger?
.
But whatever it is we just need to get that back and we will be fine - as we have been for pretty much every home game and a few recent away games - i.e Walsall, Posh and PV which are all tricky places to go
.
IMO we are not far away from where we need to be - think this season is slipping away to being completelty over - but until it is we shouldn't experiement
.
But as soon as it is I would want us focussing on next year and trying players lie Gladwin, Barker, Storey, Barthram, Oakley and Alex Smith to see if they are up to it
.
Belford
Barthram Branco Oakley A.Smith
Storey L.Thompson Gladwin Tijane
M.Smith Barker
.
With the exception of L.Thompson and possibly M.Smith - that would be our reserve team - so lets seee what they can do once neither POs or Relegation are possible - otherwise how will we know what we need to add?
Alternatively wait until the first day of next season and watch the same formation.... possibly for £27.....
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: The most important thing for me is wanting Swindon Town to actually win games. Whether we play so called "Hoof Ball" or not, I dont care, as long as we are successful. If you try to play an extreme passing game, which clearly doesn't work in League One on poor wintertime playing surfaces; why on earth persist with it ? In past times our "Hoof Ball" system with Jimmy Quinn and Dave Bamber up front were amongst the most exciting and successful times I have experienced during my many years of attending the County Ground. Did Mark Cooper have any history of getting good results playing a slow moving passing game before he took over as Manager at Swindon ? The answer I am afraid is no.[/p][/quote]Couldn't disagree more! . There is no way on earth I want us to go 442 hoof ball from full backs to Centre Forwards and hope to win a game 1-0 off a set piece . Watching some teams do that in L2 is absolutely horrible and far far far worse than the "practice match" football people complain about which we are playing . Also even if we were to get up off it we would be hammered in the Championship trying to play like that - why else do you think there is a direct correlation between passing and division! . As tifosi said for some unknown reason we seem to have lost our confidence to kill a move off - maybe that is simply the blow of losing Pritchard and Ranger? . But whatever it is we just need to get that back and we will be fine - as we have been for pretty much every home game and a few recent away games - i.e Walsall, Posh and PV which are all tricky places to go . IMO we are not far away from where we need to be - think this season is slipping away to being completelty over - but until it is we shouldn't experiement . But as soon as it is I would want us focussing on next year and trying players lie Gladwin, Barker, Storey, Barthram, Oakley and Alex Smith to see if they are up to it . Belford Barthram Branco Oakley A.Smith Storey L.Thompson Gladwin Tijane M.Smith Barker . With the exception of L.Thompson and possibly M.Smith - that would be our reserve team - so lets seee what they can do once neither POs or Relegation are possible - otherwise how will we know what we need to add?[/p][/quote]Alternatively wait until the first day of next season and watch the same formation.... possibly for £27..... Wilesy

2:36pm Mon 24 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Cancel tomorrow's game and give the poor blighters 4 days off.
Cancel tomorrow's game and give the poor blighters 4 days off. smirg kcab

2:43pm Mon 24 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Listening to orient game on local radio Christain Roberts at one point in the second half said the following -- " were 2 down and i'm looking around the team - who's doing the talking - who's clapping there hands- shaking their fists - 2 down for goodness sake - yet it seems were just going through the motions - Clarke at the back for orient has not stopped talking and urging on the players - don't see any of that from us " .-- taking into consideration we were missing several key players - that sums it up in a nutshell. On the question of this patient build up passing game issue - nothing against the passing game- up for that - but you have to firstly , win the right to play that way- that means - grit determination- chasing - harrowing the opposition into making mistakes etc .
Listening to orient game on local radio Christain Roberts at one point in the second half said the following -- " were 2 down and i'm looking around the team - who's doing the talking - who's clapping there hands- shaking their fists - 2 down for goodness sake - yet it seems were just going through the motions - Clarke at the back for orient has not stopped talking and urging on the players - don't see any of that from us " .-- taking into consideration we were missing several key players - that sums it up in a nutshell. On the question of this patient build up passing game issue - nothing against the passing game- up for that - but you have to firstly , win the right to play that way- that means - grit determination- chasing - harrowing the opposition into making mistakes etc . lifelong red

2:57pm Mon 24 Feb 14

London Red says...

Wilesy wrote:
London Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote: The most important thing for me is wanting Swindon Town to actually win games. Whether we play so called "Hoof Ball" or not, I dont care, as long as we are successful. If you try to play an extreme passing game, which clearly doesn't work in League One on poor wintertime playing surfaces; why on earth persist with it ? In past times our "Hoof Ball" system with Jimmy Quinn and Dave Bamber up front were amongst the most exciting and successful times I have experienced during my many years of attending the County Ground. Did Mark Cooper have any history of getting good results playing a slow moving passing game before he took over as Manager at Swindon ? The answer I am afraid is no.
Couldn't disagree more! . There is no way on earth I want us to go 442 hoof ball from full backs to Centre Forwards and hope to win a game 1-0 off a set piece . Watching some teams do that in L2 is absolutely horrible and far far far worse than the "practice match" football people complain about which we are playing . Also even if we were to get up off it we would be hammered in the Championship trying to play like that - why else do you think there is a direct correlation between passing and division! . As tifosi said for some unknown reason we seem to have lost our confidence to kill a move off - maybe that is simply the blow of losing Pritchard and Ranger? . But whatever it is we just need to get that back and we will be fine - as we have been for pretty much every home game and a few recent away games - i.e Walsall, Posh and PV which are all tricky places to go . IMO we are not far away from where we need to be - think this season is slipping away to being completelty over - but until it is we shouldn't experiement . But as soon as it is I would want us focussing on next year and trying players lie Gladwin, Barker, Storey, Barthram, Oakley and Alex Smith to see if they are up to it . Belford Barthram Branco Oakley A.Smith Storey L.Thompson Gladwin Tijane M.Smith Barker . With the exception of L.Thompson and possibly M.Smith - that would be our reserve team - so lets seee what they can do once neither POs or Relegation are possible - otherwise how will we know what we need to add?
Alternatively wait until the first day of next season and watch the same formation.... possibly for £27.....
Why does everyone focus only focus on the £27 and completely ignore the £23 part?
.
My ticket for Orient had £25 on it - the exact same amount as we pay!
.
So like this year 90% of our games will be bang in line with L1
.
The £27 will only be for the "Gold" games - Wolves, Bristol, Sheffield - we will be talking about a 3 or 4 - now do you honestly think that putting it to £27 instead of £25 would have slashed 100s off the Bristol gate - I don't!
.
Yet cut a couple of quid off Crawley or Oldham and then you may add a few more on the gate!
.
Anyone who goes to a cross section is likely to be no better or worse off as the chances are they will see as many A and they will C - with 90% at B
.
Those who only go to the 3 or 4 big games will pay more - but they are likely to pay it as they are not there to watch STFC - otherwise why not go to other games?
.
Yet those who want to watch STFC but can't afford it could see more as there will be a fair few C games to allow them to save money - if watching STFC is the main thing
.
Now had we been putting it as the most expensive in the league then maybe I would object - but as probably 95% of games will be the same or CHEAPER - I don't see the issue!
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: The most important thing for me is wanting Swindon Town to actually win games. Whether we play so called "Hoof Ball" or not, I dont care, as long as we are successful. If you try to play an extreme passing game, which clearly doesn't work in League One on poor wintertime playing surfaces; why on earth persist with it ? In past times our "Hoof Ball" system with Jimmy Quinn and Dave Bamber up front were amongst the most exciting and successful times I have experienced during my many years of attending the County Ground. Did Mark Cooper have any history of getting good results playing a slow moving passing game before he took over as Manager at Swindon ? The answer I am afraid is no.[/p][/quote]Couldn't disagree more! . There is no way on earth I want us to go 442 hoof ball from full backs to Centre Forwards and hope to win a game 1-0 off a set piece . Watching some teams do that in L2 is absolutely horrible and far far far worse than the "practice match" football people complain about which we are playing . Also even if we were to get up off it we would be hammered in the Championship trying to play like that - why else do you think there is a direct correlation between passing and division! . As tifosi said for some unknown reason we seem to have lost our confidence to kill a move off - maybe that is simply the blow of losing Pritchard and Ranger? . But whatever it is we just need to get that back and we will be fine - as we have been for pretty much every home game and a few recent away games - i.e Walsall, Posh and PV which are all tricky places to go . IMO we are not far away from where we need to be - think this season is slipping away to being completelty over - but until it is we shouldn't experiement . But as soon as it is I would want us focussing on next year and trying players lie Gladwin, Barker, Storey, Barthram, Oakley and Alex Smith to see if they are up to it . Belford Barthram Branco Oakley A.Smith Storey L.Thompson Gladwin Tijane M.Smith Barker . With the exception of L.Thompson and possibly M.Smith - that would be our reserve team - so lets seee what they can do once neither POs or Relegation are possible - otherwise how will we know what we need to add?[/p][/quote]Alternatively wait until the first day of next season and watch the same formation.... possibly for £27.....[/p][/quote]Why does everyone focus only focus on the £27 and completely ignore the £23 part? . My ticket for Orient had £25 on it - the exact same amount as we pay! . So like this year 90% of our games will be bang in line with L1 . The £27 will only be for the "Gold" games - Wolves, Bristol, Sheffield - we will be talking about a 3 or 4 - now do you honestly think that putting it to £27 instead of £25 would have slashed 100s off the Bristol gate - I don't! . Yet cut a couple of quid off Crawley or Oldham and then you may add a few more on the gate! . Anyone who goes to a cross section is likely to be no better or worse off as the chances are they will see as many A and they will C - with 90% at B . Those who only go to the 3 or 4 big games will pay more - but they are likely to pay it as they are not there to watch STFC - otherwise why not go to other games? . Yet those who want to watch STFC but can't afford it could see more as there will be a fair few C games to allow them to save money - if watching STFC is the main thing . Now had we been putting it as the most expensive in the league then maybe I would object - but as probably 95% of games will be the same or CHEAPER - I don't see the issue! London Red

3:04pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Graham8181 says...

the wizard wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
I love writing stuff on this site but saying the same thing every week is getting very boring so it just boils down to 2 words now - COOPER OUT
No point., too late in the season.
I think if got someone in now if could just spur us on over the final hurdle. It's now or never (well until end of season when hopefully he will be gone)
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: I love writing stuff on this site but saying the same thing every week is getting very boring so it just boils down to 2 words now - COOPER OUT[/p][/quote]No point., too late in the season.[/p][/quote]I think if got someone in now if could just spur us on over the final hurdle. It's now or never (well until end of season when hopefully he will be gone) Graham8181

3:14pm Mon 24 Feb 14

harley red says...

COOPER OUT His same old excuses , why the same have patience as they are still learning in about 10 weeks or so about half the team will no longer be here SO WHAT HAS COOPER LEARNT ??? I suspect sod all . So all that's left to say is COOPER OUT !!!!
COOPER OUT His same old excuses , why the same have patience as they are still learning in about 10 weeks or so about half the team will no longer be here SO WHAT HAS COOPER LEARNT ??? I suspect sod all . So all that's left to say is COOPER OUT !!!! harley red

3:27pm Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

Any particular manager in mind? or just a case of anybody but Cooper?
If you did get your wish i very much doubt they would be able to take us over final hurdle as we have some very tough home games left.
Any particular manager in mind? or just a case of anybody but Cooper? If you did get your wish i very much doubt they would be able to take us over final hurdle as we have some very tough home games left. swwindon61uk

3:52pm Mon 24 Feb 14

London Red says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Any particular manager in mind? or just a case of anybody but Cooper? If you did get your wish i very much doubt they would be able to take us over final hurdle as we have some very tough home games left.
Hoddle isn't it? - He doesn't want anymore money than Cooper is on and is desperate to come back - its only Power not asking which is stopping it!
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Any particular manager in mind? or just a case of anybody but Cooper? If you did get your wish i very much doubt they would be able to take us over final hurdle as we have some very tough home games left.[/p][/quote]Hoddle isn't it? - He doesn't want anymore money than Cooper is on and is desperate to come back - its only Power not asking which is stopping it! London Red

3:59pm Mon 24 Feb 14

bearwoodred says...

buckobassettboy wrote:
Macari,Ardiles,Hoddl

e and Di Canio.All brilliant footballers during their careers which had to have some influence-and did-when they were at the helm at our Swindon.Now we have Cooper after Macdonut,after Malpass who were not brilliant at anything apart from being the puppets controlled from above.The excuses Cooper reels out,week after week makes me sick to the teeth and when Slade came out with 'Mark Cooper is doing a great job at Swindon' I nearly fell off my seat!Anyone noticed our current position in the league?-we are going for a mid table finish.25 pounds to watch this effort is a right royal pi$$ take.I drove past Brisbane Rd at 2.30 on Saturday and narrowly avoided being mugged in broad daylight.Went to work instead.
Is Cooper doing a bad job then? Exactly where did you expect us to be at this point? Top perhaps?

Cooper as the Manager has every right to give his opinion as to why the team did not win. He like people on here has the right to express his professional judgement and you know he may actually be right. Do you never make excuses for things?? Alternatively Cooper could come out and publicly humilate players, tell the press how sh@t he thinks they are and demand loads of cash for a new team or two like the Ego did. Got found out at Sunderland though! He has also said when they have not been good enough as well. But by making excuses he is not constantly hammering young players in public!

As for the type of football, I thought the idea was to have the ball! Or have I got the wrong sport. The fact he is trying to build a team that wants to keep possession become confident on the ball and play footabll to feet is something to be admired. Yes we can often more the ball forward more and quicker at times - that will come. Yes we can removie the silly mistakes that cost us games - that too will come.

I have enjoyed the matches on the whole more this year than last year, personal opinion of course but I like to see us moving the ball around. mind you had Flint been able to pass 50 yards to a red shirt then I suppose it might have been different.

Again some one name a better, available manager who they think might do a better job? I cannot think of one!
[quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: Macari,Ardiles,Hoddl e and Di Canio.All brilliant footballers during their careers which had to have some influence-and did-when they were at the helm at our Swindon.Now we have Cooper after Macdonut,after Malpass who were not brilliant at anything apart from being the puppets controlled from above.The excuses Cooper reels out,week after week makes me sick to the teeth and when Slade came out with 'Mark Cooper is doing a great job at Swindon' I nearly fell off my seat!Anyone noticed our current position in the league?-we are going for a mid table finish.25 pounds to watch this effort is a right royal pi$$ take.I drove past Brisbane Rd at 2.30 on Saturday and narrowly avoided being mugged in broad daylight.Went to work instead.[/p][/quote]Is Cooper doing a bad job then? Exactly where did you expect us to be at this point? Top perhaps? Cooper as the Manager has every right to give his opinion as to why the team did not win. He like people on here has the right to express his professional judgement and you know he may actually be right. Do you never make excuses for things?? Alternatively Cooper could come out and publicly humilate players, tell the press how sh@t he thinks they are and demand loads of cash for a new team or two like the Ego did. Got found out at Sunderland though! He has also said when they have not been good enough as well. But by making excuses he is not constantly hammering young players in public! As for the type of football, I thought the idea was to have the ball! Or have I got the wrong sport. The fact he is trying to build a team that wants to keep possession become confident on the ball and play footabll to feet is something to be admired. Yes we can often more the ball forward more and quicker at times - that will come. Yes we can removie the silly mistakes that cost us games - that too will come. I have enjoyed the matches on the whole more this year than last year, personal opinion of course but I like to see us moving the ball around. mind you had Flint been able to pass 50 yards to a red shirt then I suppose it might have been different. Again some one name a better, available manager who they think might do a better job? I cannot think of one! bearwoodred

4:12pm Mon 24 Feb 14

buckobassettboy says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Any particular manager in mind? or just a case of anybody but Cooper?
If you did get your wish i very much doubt they would be able to take us over final hurdle as we have some very tough home games left.
So Mr Cooper-what exactly is your remit?To avoid the drop,go for a middle table finish or try to get into the play-off?You are not going to get relegated unless we are really unlucky.Don't settle for middle table mediocrity and do not try to sell that philosophy to the paying public-so a play-off position is what we are wanting Mr Cooper-so get your act together-play attacking football-even if you have to resort to the hoof ball game.The utter negative tosh that you and the team are passing off to us as entertainment and value for money(f**k right off)has to go.It has not and will not work.Even if we lose playing attacking or hoof ball it is going to be better than losing the way you set it up at present.Are you really that thick skinned and stupid not to realise that?If you give it a go you may have a job next season-god forbid-but if this Sh*te continues it should and must be a taxi for you.No question!!
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Any particular manager in mind? or just a case of anybody but Cooper? If you did get your wish i very much doubt they would be able to take us over final hurdle as we have some very tough home games left.[/p][/quote]So Mr Cooper-what exactly is your remit?To avoid the drop,go for a middle table finish or try to get into the play-off?You are not going to get relegated unless we are really unlucky.Don't settle for middle table mediocrity and do not try to sell that philosophy to the paying public-so a play-off position is what we are wanting Mr Cooper-so get your act together-play attacking football-even if you have to resort to the hoof ball game.The utter negative tosh that you and the team are passing off to us as entertainment and value for money(f**k right off)has to go.It has not and will not work.Even if we lose playing attacking or hoof ball it is going to be better than losing the way you set it up at present.Are you really that thick skinned and stupid not to realise that?If you give it a go you may have a job next season-god forbid-but if this Sh*te continues it should and must be a taxi for you.No question!! buckobassettboy

4:12pm Mon 24 Feb 14

searkevin says...

I was at the match on Saturday, and it was obvious within 5 or 10 minutes that Swindon were likely to lose the game - the body language of several of the players said it all. It was as if they knew that they were inferior as a team and could not win their own personal battles on the pitch. I would love to see the stats of completed passes by Swindon - i would expect a low percentage.
Three of the four defenders were poor, only the captain had a reasonable game. Two of the three central midfielders were (with the exception of the goalkeeper), the best two players, They tried to create. the other one surname beginneing with H, seemed adverse to attacking passes and the wingers were awful, especially the left side. The right winger was waved out as wide as possible by the manager and he did get some joy with this tactic, but lost confidence to shoot after his first shot did not even reach the goal line. The lone striker was charged with holding the ball up and feeding players coming forward facing the goal. He continually lost the ball when played to his feet. The substitutes were absolutely dire !!!! may as well kept the original 11 on.
With 15 minutes to go, Orient looked likely to run riot and be able to score at will, so a 2-0 score was a bonus really.
No wonder the Swindon fans were starting to hurl abuse at the team near the end. They were just not up for it.
See you at the County Ground soon.
I was at the match on Saturday, and it was obvious within 5 or 10 minutes that Swindon were likely to lose the game - the body language of several of the players said it all. It was as if they knew that they were inferior as a team and could not win their own personal battles on the pitch. I would love to see the stats of completed passes by Swindon - i would expect a low percentage. Three of the four defenders were poor, only the captain had a reasonable game. Two of the three central midfielders were (with the exception of the goalkeeper), the best two players, They tried to create. the other one surname beginneing with H, seemed adverse to attacking passes and the wingers were awful, especially the left side. The right winger was waved out as wide as possible by the manager and he did get some joy with this tactic, but lost confidence to shoot after his first shot did not even reach the goal line. The lone striker was charged with holding the ball up and feeding players coming forward facing the goal. He continually lost the ball when played to his feet. The substitutes were absolutely dire !!!! may as well kept the original 11 on. With 15 minutes to go, Orient looked likely to run riot and be able to score at will, so a 2-0 score was a bonus really. No wonder the Swindon fans were starting to hurl abuse at the team near the end. They were just not up for it. See you at the County Ground soon. searkevin

4:38pm Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

buckobassettboy wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Any particular manager in mind? or just a case of anybody but Cooper?
If you did get your wish i very much doubt they would be able to take us over final hurdle as we have some very tough home games left.
So Mr Cooper-what exactly is your remit?To avoid the drop,go for a middle table finish or try to get into the play-off?You are not going to get relegated unless we are really unlucky.Don't settle for middle table mediocrity and do not try to sell that philosophy to the paying public-so a play-off position is what we are wanting Mr Cooper-so get your act together-play attacking football-even if you have to resort to the hoof ball game.The utter negative tosh that you and the team are passing off to us as entertainment and value for money(f**k right off)has to go.It has not and will not work.Even if we lose playing attacking or hoof ball it is going to be better than losing the way you set it up at present.Are you really that thick skinned and stupid not to realise that?If you give it a go you may have a job next season-god forbid-but if this Sh*te continues it should and must be a taxi for you.No question!!
LOL
Like i have said several times at the start of the season i said we would finish mid table,much much higher than most on here thought we would.
Now you may have been expecting us to win the league by 20 points i was not.
I suspect Cooper's and the clubs remit honestly was a mid table finish, as it is after 32 game we are still in with an outside chance of the playoffs.
Never know with a little bit of support the club might just do it,but more likely be as is the norm as soon as the first ball is lost from these third division players the crowd will be straight on their back.
[quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Any particular manager in mind? or just a case of anybody but Cooper? If you did get your wish i very much doubt they would be able to take us over final hurdle as we have some very tough home games left.[/p][/quote]So Mr Cooper-what exactly is your remit?To avoid the drop,go for a middle table finish or try to get into the play-off?You are not going to get relegated unless we are really unlucky.Don't settle for middle table mediocrity and do not try to sell that philosophy to the paying public-so a play-off position is what we are wanting Mr Cooper-so get your act together-play attacking football-even if you have to resort to the hoof ball game.The utter negative tosh that you and the team are passing off to us as entertainment and value for money(f**k right off)has to go.It has not and will not work.Even if we lose playing attacking or hoof ball it is going to be better than losing the way you set it up at present.Are you really that thick skinned and stupid not to realise that?If you give it a go you may have a job next season-god forbid-but if this Sh*te continues it should and must be a taxi for you.No question!![/p][/quote]LOL Like i have said several times at the start of the season i said we would finish mid table,much much higher than most on here thought we would. Now you may have been expecting us to win the league by 20 points i was not. I suspect Cooper's and the clubs remit honestly was a mid table finish, as it is after 32 game we are still in with an outside chance of the playoffs. Never know with a little bit of support the club might just do it,but more likely be as is the norm as soon as the first ball is lost from these third division players the crowd will be straight on their back. swwindon61uk

4:42pm Mon 24 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

buckobassettboy wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Any particular manager in mind? or just a case of anybody but Cooper?
If you did get your wish i very much doubt they would be able to take us over final hurdle as we have some very tough home games left.
So Mr Cooper-what exactly is your remit?To avoid the drop,go for a middle table finish or try to get into the play-off?You are not going to get relegated unless we are really unlucky.Don't settle for middle table mediocrity and do not try to sell that philosophy to the paying public-so a play-off position is what we are wanting Mr Cooper-so get your act together-play attacking football-even if you have to resort to the hoof ball game.The utter negative tosh that you and the team are passing off to us as entertainment and value for money(f**k right off)has to go.It has not and will not work.Even if we lose playing attacking or hoof ball it is going to be better than losing the way you set it up at present.Are you really that thick skinned and stupid not to realise that?If you give it a go you may have a job next season-god forbid-but if this Sh*te continues it should and must be a taxi for you.No question!!
Also and gain who is the man you would like to see brought in to conquer the League next year on a small budget, o know who i would like,but interested to see who the people want Cooper so badly out who they want first.
[quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Any particular manager in mind? or just a case of anybody but Cooper? If you did get your wish i very much doubt they would be able to take us over final hurdle as we have some very tough home games left.[/p][/quote]So Mr Cooper-what exactly is your remit?To avoid the drop,go for a middle table finish or try to get into the play-off?You are not going to get relegated unless we are really unlucky.Don't settle for middle table mediocrity and do not try to sell that philosophy to the paying public-so a play-off position is what we are wanting Mr Cooper-so get your act together-play attacking football-even if you have to resort to the hoof ball game.The utter negative tosh that you and the team are passing off to us as entertainment and value for money(f**k right off)has to go.It has not and will not work.Even if we lose playing attacking or hoof ball it is going to be better than losing the way you set it up at present.Are you really that thick skinned and stupid not to realise that?If you give it a go you may have a job next season-god forbid-but if this Sh*te continues it should and must be a taxi for you.No question!![/p][/quote]Also and gain who is the man you would like to see brought in to conquer the League next year on a small budget, o know who i would like,but interested to see who the people want Cooper so badly out who they want first. swwindon61uk

5:01pm Mon 24 Feb 14

red white says...

I'm patient,a bloody mental patient watching that on Saturday!
I'm patient,a bloody mental patient watching that on Saturday! red white

5:39pm Mon 24 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
hertz wrote:
I had to listen on radio which is shame I like going over to the O's, apart from year before when that flare hit me onthe head . I know folks are saying we are doing far better than expected and that is true , but then having watched the same players play great stuff against Wolves, Chelsea ,Coventry even Posh we started to think wait a minute we have something special here , with correct management these lads can actually acieve something , but it does'nt change , we don't build on it and thats where I struggle , the players never take any notice of Cooper throughout the whole 90 mins , other managers call the players over at every dead ball situaton get fluid into them and some instructions , he aint got no instructions . Sorry but yes I do think we are doing a lot better than we all expected but I thik we could do better still . Christian Roberts did the commentay on the radio , he said " getting these players fit for the play off , these players are ony fit for the beach " they just are'nt focussed they need someone to take it by the scruff and shake it all up , even if Nice Mr Cooper thinks thats not the plan I doubt losing 2-0 was in the plans so someone shok have taken control to change things ,
Fair play we did well against Wolves (though lost out with some poor defending it has to be said), but I thought we were very fortunate against Coventry (great goal to win it but if Conventry could've hit a barn door that way they should have beaten us) and against Posh in our league game against them at home.

We have played good football at times this season and have gotten to a decent position in the league, think the frustation comes in when we've lost to poor teams and if we could have tightened things up in certain areas we definitely could have seen a play off finish. Unfortunately, gifting too many cheap goals and allowing teams in against us has probably resigned us to a top half finish but no more than that - decent given the shake up in board/management/tea

m etc but could have been so much more.
Quite a few comments on here regarding the macari- ossie- hoddle eras - referring to hoddle - well what a believer in the passing game he was , and as sure as night follows day we would pass the hell out of the opposition - but we also possessed the likes of Calderwood- ooo shaun taylor - moncur- micky hazard- chalky- to name a few- players of leadership and experience - what a difference it would make if we had just 2 maybe 3 players of this calibre in the present team.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: I had to listen on radio which is shame I like going over to the O's, apart from year before when that flare hit me onthe head . I know folks are saying we are doing far better than expected and that is true , but then having watched the same players play great stuff against Wolves, Chelsea ,Coventry even Posh we started to think wait a minute we have something special here , with correct management these lads can actually acieve something , but it does'nt change , we don't build on it and thats where I struggle , the players never take any notice of Cooper throughout the whole 90 mins , other managers call the players over at every dead ball situaton get fluid into them and some instructions , he aint got no instructions . Sorry but yes I do think we are doing a lot better than we all expected but I thik we could do better still . Christian Roberts did the commentay on the radio , he said " getting these players fit for the play off , these players are ony fit for the beach " they just are'nt focussed they need someone to take it by the scruff and shake it all up , even if Nice Mr Cooper thinks thats not the plan I doubt losing 2-0 was in the plans so someone shok have taken control to change things ,[/p][/quote]Fair play we did well against Wolves (though lost out with some poor defending it has to be said), but I thought we were very fortunate against Coventry (great goal to win it but if Conventry could've hit a barn door that way they should have beaten us) and against Posh in our league game against them at home. We have played good football at times this season and have gotten to a decent position in the league, think the frustation comes in when we've lost to poor teams and if we could have tightened things up in certain areas we definitely could have seen a play off finish. Unfortunately, gifting too many cheap goals and allowing teams in against us has probably resigned us to a top half finish but no more than that - decent given the shake up in board/management/tea m etc but could have been so much more.[/p][/quote]Quite a few comments on here regarding the macari- ossie- hoddle eras - referring to hoddle - well what a believer in the passing game he was , and as sure as night follows day we would pass the hell out of the opposition - but we also possessed the likes of Calderwood- ooo shaun taylor - moncur- micky hazard- chalky- to name a few- players of leadership and experience - what a difference it would make if we had just 2 maybe 3 players of this calibre in the present team. lifelong red

5:42pm Mon 24 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Sorry didn't mean the quote
Sorry didn't mean the quote lifelong red

5:52pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Steve. Brentford says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Cancel tomorrow's game and give the poor blighters 4 days off.
Haha, well done the Grim one that make me laugh, after reading through other posts i was ready to get the rope out! I went on Saturday and thought i would leave posting on here until i had something good to say i have nothing good to say about the game so i will give that a miss but a least i can laugh at Grim working his stuff.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Cancel tomorrow's game and give the poor blighters 4 days off.[/p][/quote]Haha, well done the Grim one that make me laugh, after reading through other posts i was ready to get the rope out! I went on Saturday and thought i would leave posting on here until i had something good to say i have nothing good to say about the game so i will give that a miss but a least i can laugh at Grim working his stuff. Steve. Brentford

5:57pm Mon 24 Feb 14

dazzastfc says...

Cooper is sounding more and more like malpas every game......
He says how are opponents are going to play and what they can do BUT STILL cant work out a tactic or any other formation because WE HAVE TO PLAY THE SAME FOOTBALL
This is all starting To turn and its not just away games any more as the home form is taking a turn for the worse as well...
Are form is showing that in the last 10 games we have won 12 points...
THAT IS LOWER THAN RELEGATION FORM....

IF we lose on tuesday the fans will show how patient they can be as football is only about one thing WINNING
Cooper is sounding more and more like malpas every game...... He says how are opponents are going to play and what they can do BUT STILL cant work out a tactic or any other formation because WE HAVE TO PLAY THE SAME FOOTBALL This is all starting To turn and its not just away games any more as the home form is taking a turn for the worse as well... Are form is showing that in the last 10 games we have won 12 points... THAT IS LOWER THAN RELEGATION FORM.... IF we lose on tuesday the fans will show how patient they can be as football is only about one thing WINNING dazzastfc

6:50pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

oz ashes wrote:
Christ almighty we have just been beaten by a team that is proberly going to get auto promotion and it's all doom and gloom again relegation beckons now does it I'm being positive and 6 pts from the next 2 games will get us back on track again
If you weren't 12,000 miles away and had seen the dross I've seen home and away this season you wouldn't be talking through your Fosters!
[quote][p][bold]oz ashes[/bold] wrote: Christ almighty we have just been beaten by a team that is proberly going to get auto promotion and it's all doom and gloom again relegation beckons now does it I'm being positive and 6 pts from the next 2 games will get us back on track again[/p][/quote]If you weren't 12,000 miles away and had seen the dross I've seen home and away this season you wouldn't be talking through your Fosters! The Jockster

7:01pm Mon 24 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Cancel tomorrow's game and give the poor blighters 4 days off.
Haha, well done the Grim one that make me laugh, after reading through other posts i was ready to get the rope out! I went on Saturday and thought i would leave posting on here until i had something good to say i have nothing good to say about the game so i will give that a miss but a least i can laugh at Grim working his stuff.
Cheers Steve unfortunately it's getting too predictable now not only away but I can't see us scoring Tuesday without ranger and pritch.
Creepie beat Walsall on Saturday and they ripped us to pieces at home.
I'm sure john Gregory will have a plan and I'm sure it will be bringing on Rory fallon to score the winner. Hope I'm wrong.
Before rangers injury this would have been a home banker in my book, so much has things changed think this is now become an away banker.
Don't tell London red tho, the team he's picked again today looks awful.
Have a great week.
Time will tell I'm giving myself a minus just to get the ball rolling lol
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Cancel tomorrow's game and give the poor blighters 4 days off.[/p][/quote]Haha, well done the Grim one that make me laugh, after reading through other posts i was ready to get the rope out! I went on Saturday and thought i would leave posting on here until i had something good to say i have nothing good to say about the game so i will give that a miss but a least i can laugh at Grim working his stuff.[/p][/quote]Cheers Steve unfortunately it's getting too predictable now not only away but I can't see us scoring Tuesday without ranger and pritch. Creepie beat Walsall on Saturday and they ripped us to pieces at home. I'm sure john Gregory will have a plan and I'm sure it will be bringing on Rory fallon to score the winner. Hope I'm wrong. Before rangers injury this would have been a home banker in my book, so much has things changed think this is now become an away banker. Don't tell London red tho, the team he's picked again today looks awful. Have a great week. Time will tell I'm giving myself a minus just to get the ball rolling lol smirg kcab

7:04pm Mon 24 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Cooper is sounding more and more like malpas every game......
He says how are opponents are going to play and what they can do BUT STILL cant work out a tactic or any other formation because WE HAVE TO PLAY THE SAME FOOTBALL
This is all starting To turn and its not just away games any more as the home form is taking a turn for the worse as well...
Are form is showing that in the last 10 games we have won 12 points...
THAT IS LOWER THAN RELEGATION FORM....

IF we lose on tuesday the fans will show how patient they can be as football is only about one thing WINNING
They will still clap them off dazza even if we get stuffed.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: Cooper is sounding more and more like malpas every game...... He says how are opponents are going to play and what they can do BUT STILL cant work out a tactic or any other formation because WE HAVE TO PLAY THE SAME FOOTBALL This is all starting To turn and its not just away games any more as the home form is taking a turn for the worse as well... Are form is showing that in the last 10 games we have won 12 points... THAT IS LOWER THAN RELEGATION FORM.... IF we lose on tuesday the fans will show how patient they can be as football is only about one thing WINNING[/p][/quote]They will still clap them off dazza even if we get stuffed. smirg kcab

7:04pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 < 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket.

My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.
Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 < 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket. My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65. The Jockster

7:17pm Mon 24 Feb 14

jayden says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Cancel tomorrow's game and give the poor blighters 4 days off.
Haha, well done the Grim one that make me laugh, after reading through other posts i was ready to get the rope out! I went on Saturday and thought i would leave posting on here until i had something good to say i have nothing good to say about the game so i will give that a miss but a least i can laugh at Grim working his stuff.
Should have let me know Steve I could have brought a hose pipe for the car.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Cancel tomorrow's game and give the poor blighters 4 days off.[/p][/quote]Haha, well done the Grim one that make me laugh, after reading through other posts i was ready to get the rope out! I went on Saturday and thought i would leave posting on here until i had something good to say i have nothing good to say about the game so i will give that a miss but a least i can laugh at Grim working his stuff.[/p][/quote]Should have let me know Steve I could have brought a hose pipe for the car. jayden

7:39pm Mon 24 Feb 14

the wizard says...

The Jockster wrote:
Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 &lt; 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket.

My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.
Wooooaaahhh, Jock, you tight ar5ed old Scotsman ! Double LOL ! Having trouble with the turnstile on the wallet, or just the padlock and chain around it all. triple LOL .

Sarc apart, sorry to have been the bearer of such bad tidings last evening.

I think Power has shot himself in the foot over this one. Does Power not appreciate how many others some of us old timers bring to a game, including future supporters called Grand Children, who always need feeding etc at the game etc, programmes, shirts etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 < 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket. My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.[/p][/quote]Wooooaaahhh, Jock, you tight ar5ed old Scotsman ! Double LOL ! Having trouble with the turnstile on the wallet, or just the padlock and chain around it all. triple LOL . Sarc apart, sorry to have been the bearer of such bad tidings last evening. I think Power has shot himself in the foot over this one. Does Power not appreciate how many others some of us old timers bring to a game, including future supporters called Grand Children, who always need feeding etc at the game etc, programmes, shirts etc etc. the wizard

7:43pm Mon 24 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

The Jockster wrote:
Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 &lt; 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket.

My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.
Maybe you should jump ship then and support Bristol City.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 < 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket. My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.[/p][/quote]Maybe you should jump ship then and support Bristol City. lifelong red

7:54pm Mon 24 Feb 14

dazzastfc says...

bearwoodred wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
Macari,Ardiles,Hoddl


e and Di Canio.All brilliant footballers during their careers which had to have some influence-and did-when they were at the helm at our Swindon.Now we have Cooper after Macdonut,after Malpass who were not brilliant at anything apart from being the puppets controlled from above.The excuses Cooper reels out,week after week makes me sick to the teeth and when Slade came out with 'Mark Cooper is doing a great job at Swindon' I nearly fell off my seat!Anyone noticed our current position in the league?-we are going for a mid table finish.25 pounds to watch this effort is a right royal pi$$ take.I drove past Brisbane Rd at 2.30 on Saturday and narrowly avoided being mugged in broad daylight.Went to work instead.
Is Cooper doing a bad job then? Exactly where did you expect us to be at this point? Top perhaps?

Cooper as the Manager has every right to give his opinion as to why the team did not win. He like people on here has the right to express his professional judgement and you know he may actually be right. Do you never make excuses for things?? Alternatively Cooper could come out and publicly humilate players, tell the press how sh@t he thinks they are and demand loads of cash for a new team or two like the Ego did. Got found out at Sunderland though! He has also said when they have not been good enough as well. But by making excuses he is not constantly hammering young players in public!

As for the type of football, I thought the idea was to have the ball! Or have I got the wrong sport. The fact he is trying to build a team that wants to keep possession become confident on the ball and play footabll to feet is something to be admired. Yes we can often more the ball forward more and quicker at times - that will come. Yes we can removie the silly mistakes that cost us games - that too will come.

I have enjoyed the matches on the whole more this year than last year, personal opinion of course but I like to see us moving the ball around. mind you had Flint been able to pass 50 yards to a red shirt then I suppose it might have been different.

Again some one name a better, available manager who they think might do a better job? I cannot think of one!
How are STFC building a team,,,Are best players are loans...
Will they be here next season...NO...

So then what ?????
Will it be the same excuses as we are getting now...
WE ARE A YOUNG TEAM AND WE ARE BUILDING AND STILL LEARNING...
[quote][p][bold]bearwoodred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: Macari,Ardiles,Hoddl e and Di Canio.All brilliant footballers during their careers which had to have some influence-and did-when they were at the helm at our Swindon.Now we have Cooper after Macdonut,after Malpass who were not brilliant at anything apart from being the puppets controlled from above.The excuses Cooper reels out,week after week makes me sick to the teeth and when Slade came out with 'Mark Cooper is doing a great job at Swindon' I nearly fell off my seat!Anyone noticed our current position in the league?-we are going for a mid table finish.25 pounds to watch this effort is a right royal pi$$ take.I drove past Brisbane Rd at 2.30 on Saturday and narrowly avoided being mugged in broad daylight.Went to work instead.[/p][/quote]Is Cooper doing a bad job then? Exactly where did you expect us to be at this point? Top perhaps? Cooper as the Manager has every right to give his opinion as to why the team did not win. He like people on here has the right to express his professional judgement and you know he may actually be right. Do you never make excuses for things?? Alternatively Cooper could come out and publicly humilate players, tell the press how sh@t he thinks they are and demand loads of cash for a new team or two like the Ego did. Got found out at Sunderland though! He has also said when they have not been good enough as well. But by making excuses he is not constantly hammering young players in public! As for the type of football, I thought the idea was to have the ball! Or have I got the wrong sport. The fact he is trying to build a team that wants to keep possession become confident on the ball and play footabll to feet is something to be admired. Yes we can often more the ball forward more and quicker at times - that will come. Yes we can removie the silly mistakes that cost us games - that too will come. I have enjoyed the matches on the whole more this year than last year, personal opinion of course but I like to see us moving the ball around. mind you had Flint been able to pass 50 yards to a red shirt then I suppose it might have been different. Again some one name a better, available manager who they think might do a better job? I cannot think of one![/p][/quote]How are STFC building a team,,,Are best players are loans... Will they be here next season...NO... So then what ????? Will it be the same excuses as we are getting now... WE ARE A YOUNG TEAM AND WE ARE BUILDING AND STILL LEARNING... dazzastfc

8:19pm Mon 24 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Jock..listen - you have often come here referring to people with a positive view as wearing rose tinted glasses- well maybe you should take off that black cap and stop condeming the team- club to the death penalty- sorry folks! don't mean to sound insulting - not normally in my nature- but some people do get up those 2 holes above your mouth.
Jock..listen - you have often come here referring to people with a positive view as wearing rose tinted glasses- well maybe you should take off that black cap and stop condeming the team- club to the death penalty- sorry folks! don't mean to sound insulting - not normally in my nature- but some people do get up those 2 holes above your mouth. lifelong red

8:34pm Mon 24 Feb 14

jayden says...

lifelong red wrote:
Jock..listen - you have often come here referring to people with a positive view as wearing rose tinted glasses- well maybe you should take off that black cap and stop condeming the team- club to the death penalty- sorry folks! don't mean to sound insulting - not normally in my nature- but some people do get up those 2 holes above your mouth.
Bet Jock won't be able to sleep tonight worry himself to death after your post NOT.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Jock..listen - you have often come here referring to people with a positive view as wearing rose tinted glasses- well maybe you should take off that black cap and stop condeming the team- club to the death penalty- sorry folks! don't mean to sound insulting - not normally in my nature- but some people do get up those 2 holes above your mouth.[/p][/quote]Bet Jock won't be able to sleep tonight worry himself to death after your post NOT. jayden

8:39pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

the wizard wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 &lt; 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket.

My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.
Wooooaaahhh, Jock, you tight ar5ed old Scotsman ! Double LOL ! Having trouble with the turnstile on the wallet, or just the padlock and chain around it all. triple LOL .

Sarc apart, sorry to have been the bearer of such bad tidings last evening.

I think Power has shot himself in the foot over this one. Does Power not appreciate how many others some of us old timers bring to a game, including future supporters called Grand Children, who always need feeding etc at the game etc, programmes, shirts etc etc.
Yep! Let's just say for arguments sake that 1000 of the average home gate fall into the 60+ bracket and decide not to go. Couple that with those disenchanted full ticket paying fans who at the very least may baulk at attending all games a) because of the poor performance ratio and b) increased prices anyway and I think BP has a big headache.

Realise that this summation is somewhat speculative and that a hardcore will shell out come what may but will that core support be enough to provide a platform to realistically mount a campaign to take the club forward? Can't see it myself with one or two key players likely to go in the summer. I'm seeing us having to take another dose of Cooper's medicine for the foreseeable future. Not the greatest prospect to look forward to IMO!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 < 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket. My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.[/p][/quote]Wooooaaahhh, Jock, you tight ar5ed old Scotsman ! Double LOL ! Having trouble with the turnstile on the wallet, or just the padlock and chain around it all. triple LOL . Sarc apart, sorry to have been the bearer of such bad tidings last evening. I think Power has shot himself in the foot over this one. Does Power not appreciate how many others some of us old timers bring to a game, including future supporters called Grand Children, who always need feeding etc at the game etc, programmes, shirts etc etc.[/p][/quote]Yep! Let's just say for arguments sake that 1000 of the average home gate fall into the 60+ bracket and decide not to go. Couple that with those disenchanted full ticket paying fans who at the very least may baulk at attending all games a) because of the poor performance ratio and b) increased prices anyway and I think BP has a big headache. Realise that this summation is somewhat speculative and that a hardcore will shell out come what may but will that core support be enough to provide a platform to realistically mount a campaign to take the club forward? Can't see it myself with one or two key players likely to go in the summer. I'm seeing us having to take another dose of Cooper's medicine for the foreseeable future. Not the greatest prospect to look forward to IMO! The Jockster

8:59pm Mon 24 Feb 14

bearwoodred says...

The Jockster wrote:
oz ashes wrote:
Christ almighty we have just been beaten by a team that is proberly going to get auto promotion and it's all doom and gloom again relegation beckons now does it I'm being positive and 6 pts from the next 2 games will get us back on track again
If you weren't 12,000 miles away and had seen the dross I've seen home and away this season you wouldn't be talking through your Fosters!
I love it when Town fans refer to their own team as "dross". That's the spirit! I have seen some class as well this season home and away.

Oz is entitled to his opinion regardless of where he is.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oz ashes[/bold] wrote: Christ almighty we have just been beaten by a team that is proberly going to get auto promotion and it's all doom and gloom again relegation beckons now does it I'm being positive and 6 pts from the next 2 games will get us back on track again[/p][/quote]If you weren't 12,000 miles away and had seen the dross I've seen home and away this season you wouldn't be talking through your Fosters![/p][/quote]I love it when Town fans refer to their own team as "dross". That's the spirit! I have seen some class as well this season home and away. Oz is entitled to his opinion regardless of where he is. bearwoodred

9:01pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

lifelong red wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 &lt; 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket.

My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.
Maybe you should jump ship then and support Bristol City.
Typical response from someone unable to debate. I think this one could come back to bite mr power on the backside! Why should I go and support City?
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 < 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket. My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.[/p][/quote]Maybe you should jump ship then and support Bristol City.[/p][/quote]Typical response from someone unable to debate. I think this one could come back to bite mr power on the backside! Why should I go and support City? The Jockster

9:09pm Mon 24 Feb 14

bearwoodred says...

The Jockster wrote:
the wizard wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 &lt; 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket.

My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.
Wooooaaahhh, Jock, you tight ar5ed old Scotsman ! Double LOL ! Having trouble with the turnstile on the wallet, or just the padlock and chain around it all. triple LOL .

Sarc apart, sorry to have been the bearer of such bad tidings last evening.

I think Power has shot himself in the foot over this one. Does Power not appreciate how many others some of us old timers bring to a game, including future supporters called Grand Children, who always need feeding etc at the game etc, programmes, shirts etc etc.
Yep! Let's just say for arguments sake that 1000 of the average home gate fall into the 60+ bracket and decide not to go. Couple that with those disenchanted full ticket paying fans who at the very least may baulk at attending all games a) because of the poor performance ratio and b) increased prices anyway and I think BP has a big headache.

Realise that this summation is somewhat speculative and that a hardcore will shell out come what may but will that core support be enough to provide a platform to realistically mount a campaign to take the club forward? Can't see it myself with one or two key players likely to go in the summer. I'm seeing us having to take another dose of Cooper's medicine for the foreseeable future. Not the greatest prospect to look forward to IMO!
1) I doubt that 1 in 7 of Swindon fans are over 60.

2) Just because you moan constantly does not mean all the other fans do - no disenchanted where I sit.

3) some of us will go regardless

4) we might actually be a good side next year

5) out of our loanees we would probably all only keep Pritch and who knows we might be able to buy him if everyone buys another ST. I would keep Mason and Hall cos I think that they will be loads better next season

6) key players are bound to go but others could come in!

7) which manager would you like a dose of?
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 < 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket. My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.[/p][/quote]Wooooaaahhh, Jock, you tight ar5ed old Scotsman ! Double LOL ! Having trouble with the turnstile on the wallet, or just the padlock and chain around it all. triple LOL . Sarc apart, sorry to have been the bearer of such bad tidings last evening. I think Power has shot himself in the foot over this one. Does Power not appreciate how many others some of us old timers bring to a game, including future supporters called Grand Children, who always need feeding etc at the game etc, programmes, shirts etc etc.[/p][/quote]Yep! Let's just say for arguments sake that 1000 of the average home gate fall into the 60+ bracket and decide not to go. Couple that with those disenchanted full ticket paying fans who at the very least may baulk at attending all games a) because of the poor performance ratio and b) increased prices anyway and I think BP has a big headache. Realise that this summation is somewhat speculative and that a hardcore will shell out come what may but will that core support be enough to provide a platform to realistically mount a campaign to take the club forward? Can't see it myself with one or two key players likely to go in the summer. I'm seeing us having to take another dose of Cooper's medicine for the foreseeable future. Not the greatest prospect to look forward to IMO![/p][/quote]1) I doubt that 1 in 7 of Swindon fans are over 60. 2) Just because you moan constantly does not mean all the other fans do - no disenchanted where I sit. 3) some of us will go regardless 4) we might actually be a good side next year 5) out of our loanees we would probably all only keep Pritch and who knows we might be able to buy him if everyone buys another ST. I would keep Mason and Hall cos I think that they will be loads better next season 6) key players are bound to go but others could come in! 7) which manager would you like a dose of? bearwoodred

9:19pm Mon 24 Feb 14

the wizard says...

Jock, time old mate, time.............. It does things does time, and come the time with some new players freshening things up, well.......... things may look just that bit better. Good old 5odds law will dictate that if you don't renew the team will play some great stuff with good results, because it happens that way.

Its all gone very quiet about "The Trust", shouldn't they be having a word in Powers ear or does he not recognize them . I do remember lots of generous souls sending The Trust lots of hard earned dosh during the "crisis time". has that been to good use yet, or is it still in a Bank somewhere earning diddly squat percent ? and what has happened to the simplified accounts and the bi monthly meetings, or has the large gloss brush covered all of these and much more ? Come on Jock you are normally in the know so perhaps you could get us up to date on that. Cheers.
Jock, time old mate, time.............. It does things does time, and come the time with some new players freshening things up, well.......... things may look just that bit better. Good old 5odds law will dictate that if you don't renew the team will play some great stuff with good results, because it happens that way. Its all gone very quiet about "The Trust", shouldn't they be having a word in Powers ear or does he not recognize them . I do remember lots of generous souls sending The Trust lots of hard earned dosh during the "crisis time". has that been to good use yet, or is it still in a Bank somewhere earning diddly squat percent ? and what has happened to the simplified accounts and the bi monthly meetings, or has the large gloss brush covered all of these and much more ? Come on Jock you are normally in the know so perhaps you could get us up to date on that. Cheers. the wizard

9:28pm Mon 24 Feb 14

bearwoodred says...

dazzastfc wrote:
bearwoodred wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
Macari,Ardiles,Hoddl



e and Di Canio.All brilliant footballers during their careers which had to have some influence-and did-when they were at the helm at our Swindon.Now we have Cooper after Macdonut,after Malpass who were not brilliant at anything apart from being the puppets controlled from above.The excuses Cooper reels out,week after week makes me sick to the teeth and when Slade came out with 'Mark Cooper is doing a great job at Swindon' I nearly fell off my seat!Anyone noticed our current position in the league?-we are going for a mid table finish.25 pounds to watch this effort is a right royal pi$$ take.I drove past Brisbane Rd at 2.30 on Saturday and narrowly avoided being mugged in broad daylight.Went to work instead.
Is Cooper doing a bad job then? Exactly where did you expect us to be at this point? Top perhaps?

Cooper as the Manager has every right to give his opinion as to why the team did not win. He like people on here has the right to express his professional judgement and you know he may actually be right. Do you never make excuses for things?? Alternatively Cooper could come out and publicly humilate players, tell the press how sh@t he thinks they are and demand loads of cash for a new team or two like the Ego did. Got found out at Sunderland though! He has also said when they have not been good enough as well. But by making excuses he is not constantly hammering young players in public!

As for the type of football, I thought the idea was to have the ball! Or have I got the wrong sport. The fact he is trying to build a team that wants to keep possession become confident on the ball and play footabll to feet is something to be admired. Yes we can often more the ball forward more and quicker at times - that will come. Yes we can removie the silly mistakes that cost us games - that too will come.

I have enjoyed the matches on the whole more this year than last year, personal opinion of course but I like to see us moving the ball around. mind you had Flint been able to pass 50 yards to a red shirt then I suppose it might have been different.

Again some one name a better, available manager who they think might do a better job? I cannot think of one!
How are STFC building a team,,,Are best players are loans...
Will they be here next season...NO...

So then what ?????
Will it be the same excuses as we are getting now...
WE ARE A YOUNG TEAM AND WE ARE BUILDING AND STILL LEARNING...
always constant criticism but NOT ONE alternative given by any doom mongering, unhappy borish lot.

Don't most players peak at 27 or 28?

Is Louis not a better player than last year? Is Nathan, Mass, Belford, etc. all better players? Takes a side a while to gel even with changes. Where were Orient, Walsall, Rotherham, Preston last year - nowhere but all were getting better by the end of the season as did Brientford. Now look at them all.

Cannot blame the manager when a 18 year old lad cannot pass to 3 red shirts in front of his but instead manages to find a Posh player + goal! How many errors by Hall have cost us points? Quite a few!

WE ARE A YOUNG TEAM AND BUILDING IS A FACT AND NOT AN EXCUSE - DEAL WITH IT.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bearwoodred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: Macari,Ardiles,Hoddl e and Di Canio.All brilliant footballers during their careers which had to have some influence-and did-when they were at the helm at our Swindon.Now we have Cooper after Macdonut,after Malpass who were not brilliant at anything apart from being the puppets controlled from above.The excuses Cooper reels out,week after week makes me sick to the teeth and when Slade came out with 'Mark Cooper is doing a great job at Swindon' I nearly fell off my seat!Anyone noticed our current position in the league?-we are going for a mid table finish.25 pounds to watch this effort is a right royal pi$$ take.I drove past Brisbane Rd at 2.30 on Saturday and narrowly avoided being mugged in broad daylight.Went to work instead.[/p][/quote]Is Cooper doing a bad job then? Exactly where did you expect us to be at this point? Top perhaps? Cooper as the Manager has every right to give his opinion as to why the team did not win. He like people on here has the right to express his professional judgement and you know he may actually be right. Do you never make excuses for things?? Alternatively Cooper could come out and publicly humilate players, tell the press how sh@t he thinks they are and demand loads of cash for a new team or two like the Ego did. Got found out at Sunderland though! He has also said when they have not been good enough as well. But by making excuses he is not constantly hammering young players in public! As for the type of football, I thought the idea was to have the ball! Or have I got the wrong sport. The fact he is trying to build a team that wants to keep possession become confident on the ball and play footabll to feet is something to be admired. Yes we can often more the ball forward more and quicker at times - that will come. Yes we can removie the silly mistakes that cost us games - that too will come. I have enjoyed the matches on the whole more this year than last year, personal opinion of course but I like to see us moving the ball around. mind you had Flint been able to pass 50 yards to a red shirt then I suppose it might have been different. Again some one name a better, available manager who they think might do a better job? I cannot think of one![/p][/quote]How are STFC building a team,,,Are best players are loans... Will they be here next season...NO... So then what ????? Will it be the same excuses as we are getting now... WE ARE A YOUNG TEAM AND WE ARE BUILDING AND STILL LEARNING...[/p][/quote]always constant criticism but NOT ONE alternative given by any doom mongering, unhappy borish lot. Don't most players peak at 27 or 28? Is Louis not a better player than last year? Is Nathan, Mass, Belford, etc. all better players? Takes a side a while to gel even with changes. Where were Orient, Walsall, Rotherham, Preston last year - nowhere but all were getting better by the end of the season as did Brientford. Now look at them all. Cannot blame the manager when a 18 year old lad cannot pass to 3 red shirts in front of his but instead manages to find a Posh player + goal! How many errors by Hall have cost us points? Quite a few! WE ARE A YOUNG TEAM AND BUILDING IS A FACT AND NOT AN EXCUSE - DEAL WITH IT. bearwoodred

10:04pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

Interesting fact on 5Live tonight. Have a look at the bottom 5 in the premiership then work out what they have in common.

COYMR
Interesting fact on 5Live tonight. Have a look at the bottom 5 in the premiership then work out what they have in common. COYMR Oxon-Red

10:14pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Gladiator says...

bearwoodred wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
the wizard wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 &lt; 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket.

My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.
Wooooaaahhh, Jock, you tight ar5ed old Scotsman ! Double LOL ! Having trouble with the turnstile on the wallet, or just the padlock and chain around it all. triple LOL .

Sarc apart, sorry to have been the bearer of such bad tidings last evening.

I think Power has shot himself in the foot over this one. Does Power not appreciate how many others some of us old timers bring to a game, including future supporters called Grand Children, who always need feeding etc at the game etc, programmes, shirts etc etc.
Yep! Let's just say for arguments sake that 1000 of the average home gate fall into the 60+ bracket and decide not to go. Couple that with those disenchanted full ticket paying fans who at the very least may baulk at attending all games a) because of the poor performance ratio and b) increased prices anyway and I think BP has a big headache.

Realise that this summation is somewhat speculative and that a hardcore will shell out come what may but will that core support be enough to provide a platform to realistically mount a campaign to take the club forward? Can't see it myself with one or two key players likely to go in the summer. I'm seeing us having to take another dose of Cooper's medicine for the foreseeable future. Not the greatest prospect to look forward to IMO!
1) I doubt that 1 in 7 of Swindon fans are over 60.

2) Just because you moan constantly does not mean all the other fans do - no disenchanted where I sit.

3) some of us will go regardless

4) we might actually be a good side next year

5) out of our loanees we would probably all only keep Pritch and who knows we might be able to buy him if everyone buys another ST. I would keep Mason and Hall cos I think that they will be loads better next season

6) key players are bound to go but others could come in!

7) which manager would you like a dose of?
Well said, can't believe you've got a minus score. I will be renewing my Season Ticket as always and supporting my team whether we play great or not. True supporters don't cry like babies and threaten not to renew their season tickets. I can't see what Power has done wrong? All he's trying to do is get the club out of the administration gutter, cut costs and install a mind set of good football. Who would have thought we would still be talking about the playoffs when I really thought we would be relegated. Keep the faith!
[quote][p][bold]bearwoodred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 < 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket. My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.[/p][/quote]Wooooaaahhh, Jock, you tight ar5ed old Scotsman ! Double LOL ! Having trouble with the turnstile on the wallet, or just the padlock and chain around it all. triple LOL . Sarc apart, sorry to have been the bearer of such bad tidings last evening. I think Power has shot himself in the foot over this one. Does Power not appreciate how many others some of us old timers bring to a game, including future supporters called Grand Children, who always need feeding etc at the game etc, programmes, shirts etc etc.[/p][/quote]Yep! Let's just say for arguments sake that 1000 of the average home gate fall into the 60+ bracket and decide not to go. Couple that with those disenchanted full ticket paying fans who at the very least may baulk at attending all games a) because of the poor performance ratio and b) increased prices anyway and I think BP has a big headache. Realise that this summation is somewhat speculative and that a hardcore will shell out come what may but will that core support be enough to provide a platform to realistically mount a campaign to take the club forward? Can't see it myself with one or two key players likely to go in the summer. I'm seeing us having to take another dose of Cooper's medicine for the foreseeable future. Not the greatest prospect to look forward to IMO![/p][/quote]1) I doubt that 1 in 7 of Swindon fans are over 60. 2) Just because you moan constantly does not mean all the other fans do - no disenchanted where I sit. 3) some of us will go regardless 4) we might actually be a good side next year 5) out of our loanees we would probably all only keep Pritch and who knows we might be able to buy him if everyone buys another ST. I would keep Mason and Hall cos I think that they will be loads better next season 6) key players are bound to go but others could come in! 7) which manager would you like a dose of?[/p][/quote]Well said, can't believe you've got a minus score. I will be renewing my Season Ticket as always and supporting my team whether we play great or not. True supporters don't cry like babies and threaten not to renew their season tickets. I can't see what Power has done wrong? All he's trying to do is get the club out of the administration gutter, cut costs and install a mind set of good football. Who would have thought we would still be talking about the playoffs when I really thought we would be relegated. Keep the faith! The Gladiator

10:15pm Mon 24 Feb 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Regarding the style of football I don't mind watching a passing game but side to side and side to back then back again will not win football matches.
If we could do this in the final third then great. Sadly away from home we are so so predictable and teams lets us pass all game in the first 2 thirds of the field.
Why play wingers when we don't put enough crosses in the box ?

We look so toothless up front and Saturday sadly just got me wound up.
It was boring, lacked any imagination and we would not have scored.
At this point I wanted to see us change and go for it. We were losing and the clock was ticking but we kept on passing side to side and back again meanwhile Orient just got players behind the ball and we simply had no idea.
Sure they brought Lisbie and Batt on but the game was lost in the middle of the park.
Interesting comment from Slade in the programme about earning the right to win a football match and then playing the football.
That was the difference they were up for it with plenty of attacking options and we were boring and void of any ideas as if the players were not allowed to shoot outside the box.
Regarding the style of football I don't mind watching a passing game but side to side and side to back then back again will not win football matches. If we could do this in the final third then great. Sadly away from home we are so so predictable and teams lets us pass all game in the first 2 thirds of the field. Why play wingers when we don't put enough crosses in the box ? We look so toothless up front and Saturday sadly just got me wound up. It was boring, lacked any imagination and we would not have scored. At this point I wanted to see us change and go for it. We were losing and the clock was ticking but we kept on passing side to side and back again meanwhile Orient just got players behind the ball and we simply had no idea. Sure they brought Lisbie and Batt on but the game was lost in the middle of the park. Interesting comment from Slade in the programme about earning the right to win a football match and then playing the football. That was the difference they were up for it with plenty of attacking options and we were boring and void of any ideas as if the players were not allowed to shoot outside the box. TheDukeOfBanbury

10:21pm Mon 24 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

The Jockster wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 &lt; 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket.

My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.
Maybe you should jump ship then and support Bristol City.
Typical response from someone unable to debate. I think this one could come back to bite mr power on the backside! Why should I go and support City?
Always up for debate jock- do nothing else sat in the boozer before and after the game.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 < 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket. My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.[/p][/quote]Maybe you should jump ship then and support Bristol City.[/p][/quote]Typical response from someone unable to debate. I think this one could come back to bite mr power on the backside! Why should I go and support City?[/p][/quote]Always up for debate jock- do nothing else sat in the boozer before and after the game. lifelong red

10:23pm Mon 24 Feb 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

London Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
The most important thing for me is wanting Swindon Town to actually win games. Whether we play so called &quot;Hoof Ball" or not, I dont care, as long as we are successful. If you try to play an extreme passing game, which clearly doesn't work in League One on poor wintertime playing surfaces; why on earth persist with it ? In past times our "Hoof Ball" system with Jimmy Quinn and Dave Bamber up front were amongst the most exciting and successful times I have experienced during my many years of attending the County Ground. Did Mark Cooper have any history of getting good results playing a slow moving passing game before he took over as Manager at Swindon ? The answer I am afraid is no.
Couldn't disagree more!
.
There is no way on earth I want us to go 442 hoof ball from full backs to Centre Forwards and hope to win a game 1-0 off a set piece
.
Watching some teams do that in L2 is absolutely horrible and far far far worse than the "practice match" football people complain about which we are playing
.
Also even if we were to get up off it we would be hammered in the Championship trying to play like that - why else do you think there is a direct correlation between passing and division!
.
As tifosi said for some unknown reason we seem to have lost our confidence to kill a move off - maybe that is simply the blow of losing Pritchard and Ranger?
.
But whatever it is we just need to get that back and we will be fine - as we have been for pretty much every home game and a few recent away games - i.e Walsall, Posh and PV which are all tricky places to go
.
IMO we are not far away from where we need to be - think this season is slipping away to being completelty over - but until it is we shouldn't experiement
.
But as soon as it is I would want us focussing on next year and trying players lie Gladwin, Barker, Storey, Barthram, Oakley and Alex Smith to see if they are up to it
.
Belford
Barthram Branco Oakley A.Smith
Storey L.Thompson Gladwin Tijane
M.Smith Barker
.
With the exception of L.Thompson and possibly M.Smith - that would be our reserve team - so lets seee what they can do once neither POs or Relegation are possible - otherwise how will we know what we need to add?
Trouble is LR I am really concerned on the "quality" that I am watching.
I admire your positivity but the quality looks to be weakening and starting to be very very concerned that we could struggle.
Of course I hope we don't and the budget cuts were necessary.
Feels that a make or break close season is coming.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: The most important thing for me is wanting Swindon Town to actually win games. Whether we play so called "Hoof Ball" or not, I dont care, as long as we are successful. If you try to play an extreme passing game, which clearly doesn't work in League One on poor wintertime playing surfaces; why on earth persist with it ? In past times our "Hoof Ball" system with Jimmy Quinn and Dave Bamber up front were amongst the most exciting and successful times I have experienced during my many years of attending the County Ground. Did Mark Cooper have any history of getting good results playing a slow moving passing game before he took over as Manager at Swindon ? The answer I am afraid is no.[/p][/quote]Couldn't disagree more! . There is no way on earth I want us to go 442 hoof ball from full backs to Centre Forwards and hope to win a game 1-0 off a set piece . Watching some teams do that in L2 is absolutely horrible and far far far worse than the "practice match" football people complain about which we are playing . Also even if we were to get up off it we would be hammered in the Championship trying to play like that - why else do you think there is a direct correlation between passing and division! . As tifosi said for some unknown reason we seem to have lost our confidence to kill a move off - maybe that is simply the blow of losing Pritchard and Ranger? . But whatever it is we just need to get that back and we will be fine - as we have been for pretty much every home game and a few recent away games - i.e Walsall, Posh and PV which are all tricky places to go . IMO we are not far away from where we need to be - think this season is slipping away to being completelty over - but until it is we shouldn't experiement . But as soon as it is I would want us focussing on next year and trying players lie Gladwin, Barker, Storey, Barthram, Oakley and Alex Smith to see if they are up to it . Belford Barthram Branco Oakley A.Smith Storey L.Thompson Gladwin Tijane M.Smith Barker . With the exception of L.Thompson and possibly M.Smith - that would be our reserve team - so lets seee what they can do once neither POs or Relegation are possible - otherwise how will we know what we need to add?[/p][/quote]Trouble is LR I am really concerned on the "quality" that I am watching. I admire your positivity but the quality looks to be weakening and starting to be very very concerned that we could struggle. Of course I hope we don't and the budget cuts were necessary. Feels that a make or break close season is coming. TheDukeOfBanbury

10:28pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Gladiator says...

lifelong red wrote:
Jock..listen - you have often come here referring to people with a positive view as wearing rose tinted glasses- well maybe you should take off that black cap and stop condeming the team- club to the death penalty- sorry folks! don't mean to sound insulting - not normally in my nature- but some people do get up those 2 holes above your mouth.
You are wasting your time. The Jockster NEVER listens to any one else's opinions. His sole purpose on here is to wind everyone who loves this club up! I can't remember a good word he's had to say about our club and really wonder whether he does in fact watch any games even though he says he goes home and away? In fact I'm wondering whether he is Poxford undercover and infiltrating this site?
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Jock..listen - you have often come here referring to people with a positive view as wearing rose tinted glasses- well maybe you should take off that black cap and stop condeming the team- club to the death penalty- sorry folks! don't mean to sound insulting - not normally in my nature- but some people do get up those 2 holes above your mouth.[/p][/quote]You are wasting your time. The Jockster NEVER listens to any one else's opinions. His sole purpose on here is to wind everyone who loves this club up! I can't remember a good word he's had to say about our club and really wonder whether he does in fact watch any games even though he says he goes home and away? In fact I'm wondering whether he is Poxford undercover and infiltrating this site? The Gladiator

11:00pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Bearwood - I've said a hardcore will always go so no disagreement there. You might well be right that 1 in 7 aren't over 60 but I might be right that they are - it would be interesting to see from the ticket database what the age ratios are wouldn't it?
You ask isn't LT a better player this season - I think the answer is yes but I'm not convinced NT, Mass, Kasim have progressed as much as people thought they would particularly NT IMO.
I would also keep Mason & Hall, the latter who had started to show signs of his game improving, but I can't see Spurs letting us buy Pritch as I believe he'll command a fee that we can't pay and he may be tempted by better offers if Spurs decide to release him.

You view my posts as constantly moaning as you put it, and that is your prerogative, I see them as being realistic given all the circumstances - Power has no money to invest in new players and there's no Andrew Black waiting in the wings, so we have to make do with loanees and untried/untested second string cast offs from other clubs. We are a far better team with Ranger in it but again his future is uncertain. Given that set of circumstances aren't we likely to struggle and the fact is we have haven't we? And like it or not hasn't Cooper made some baffling tactical decisions lately - prioritising the JPT over the league and resting players- trying to sit on a one goal lead for an hour against Posh - playing players out of position etc. these aren't moans they're facts aren't they? You might not like these type of comments being mentioned but you surely can't expect fellow posters to only write the things you want to read? Just my thoughts I'm afraid and whilst I don't expect universal agreement it won't stop me voicing my thoughts if I think it is merited.
Bearwood - I've said a hardcore will always go so no disagreement there. You might well be right that 1 in 7 aren't over 60 but I might be right that they are - it would be interesting to see from the ticket database what the age ratios are wouldn't it? You ask isn't LT a better player this season - I think the answer is yes but I'm not convinced NT, Mass, Kasim have progressed as much as people thought they would particularly NT IMO. I would also keep Mason & Hall, the latter who had started to show signs of his game improving, but I can't see Spurs letting us buy Pritch as I believe he'll command a fee that we can't pay and he may be tempted by better offers if Spurs decide to release him. You view my posts as constantly moaning as you put it, and that is your prerogative, I see them as being realistic given all the circumstances - Power has no money to invest in new players and there's no Andrew Black waiting in the wings, so we have to make do with loanees and untried/untested second string cast offs from other clubs. We are a far better team with Ranger in it but again his future is uncertain. Given that set of circumstances aren't we likely to struggle and the fact is we have haven't we? And like it or not hasn't Cooper made some baffling tactical decisions lately - prioritising the JPT over the league and resting players- trying to sit on a one goal lead for an hour against Posh - playing players out of position etc. these aren't moans they're facts aren't they? You might not like these type of comments being mentioned but you surely can't expect fellow posters to only write the things you want to read? Just my thoughts I'm afraid and whilst I don't expect universal agreement it won't stop me voicing my thoughts if I think it is merited. The Jockster

11:20pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

The Gladiator wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
Jock..listen - you have often come here referring to people with a positive view as wearing rose tinted glasses- well maybe you should take off that black cap and stop condeming the team- club to the death penalty- sorry folks! don't mean to sound insulting - not normally in my nature- but some people do get up those 2 holes above your mouth.
You are wasting your time. The Jockster NEVER listens to any one else's opinions. His sole purpose on here is to wind everyone who loves this club up! I can't remember a good word he's had to say about our club and really wonder whether he does in fact watch any games even though he says he goes home and away? In fact I'm wondering whether he is Poxford undercover and infiltrating this site?
The usual expected vitriolic response eh gladiator ? Of course like Bearwood you are entitled to your opinion but he at least debates unlike you who just attacks a fellow poster whose viewpoints disagree with yours. If you're happy with all things STFC then fine fill your boots but don't duck the points under discussion just to have a go.

I really don't give a flying fig whether you think I attend games or not but if you have the balls why don't we meet before the Crawley game tomorrow or failing that we could meet up at Cov, brizzle or Crewe away if you're going ? Or are you perhaps just an armchair wallah? I look forward to a measured adult response but I'm not holding my breath.
[quote][p][bold]The Gladiator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Jock..listen - you have often come here referring to people with a positive view as wearing rose tinted glasses- well maybe you should take off that black cap and stop condeming the team- club to the death penalty- sorry folks! don't mean to sound insulting - not normally in my nature- but some people do get up those 2 holes above your mouth.[/p][/quote]You are wasting your time. The Jockster NEVER listens to any one else's opinions. His sole purpose on here is to wind everyone who loves this club up! I can't remember a good word he's had to say about our club and really wonder whether he does in fact watch any games even though he says he goes home and away? In fact I'm wondering whether he is Poxford undercover and infiltrating this site?[/p][/quote]The usual expected vitriolic response eh gladiator ? Of course like Bearwood you are entitled to your opinion but he at least debates unlike you who just attacks a fellow poster whose viewpoints disagree with yours. If you're happy with all things STFC then fine fill your boots but don't duck the points under discussion just to have a go. I really don't give a flying fig whether you think I attend games or not but if you have the balls why don't we meet before the Crawley game tomorrow or failing that we could meet up at Cov, brizzle or Crewe away if you're going ? Or are you perhaps just an armchair wallah? I look forward to a measured adult response but I'm not holding my breath. The Jockster

11:38pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Bearwood & Gladiator - take a look at Dukey's post - here's a guy who goes to virtually every game home and away - sponsors games etc. he's worried that the signs are there that we are getting weaker and could struggle. Isn't that in a nutshell exactly what many of us are saying - that we are facing an uncertain future and that things may get worse before they get better?

Are you going to accuse him of not attending games and always moaning too then? I'll tell you this when fans like Duke get disillusioned it's not a good sign that things are hunky dory because the guy is normally ultra positive.
Bearwood & Gladiator - take a look at Dukey's post - here's a guy who goes to virtually every game home and away - sponsors games etc. he's worried that the signs are there that we are getting weaker and could struggle. Isn't that in a nutshell exactly what many of us are saying - that we are facing an uncertain future and that things may get worse before they get better? Are you going to accuse him of not attending games and always moaning too then? I'll tell you this when fans like Duke get disillusioned it's not a good sign that things are hunky dory because the guy is normally ultra positive. The Jockster

12:10am Tue 25 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Interesting fact on 5Live tonight. Have a look at the bottom 5 in the premiership then work out what they have in common.

COYMR
Been trying to work it out- is it to do with ex town managers who have managed them- I know Bert Head was at palace- frank burrows at Cardiff- sunderland di canio- cant work out the other 2 though - no ok worth a try I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Interesting fact on 5Live tonight. Have a look at the bottom 5 in the premiership then work out what they have in common. COYMR[/p][/quote]Been trying to work it out- is it to do with ex town managers who have managed them- I know Bert Head was at palace- frank burrows at Cardiff- sunderland di canio- cant work out the other 2 though - no ok worth a try I suppose. lifelong red

12:39am Tue 25 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

The Jockster wrote:
Bearwood &amp; Gladiator - take a look at Dukey's post - here's a guy who goes to virtually every game home and away - sponsors games etc. he's worried that the signs are there that we are getting weaker and could struggle. Isn't that in a nutshell exactly what many of us are saying - that we are facing an uncertain future and that things may get worse before they get better?

Are you going to accuse him of not attending games and always moaning too then? I'll tell you this when fans like Duke get disillusioned it's not a good sign that things are hunky dory because the guy is normally ultra positive.
Jockster,

You were on earlier saying that you were thinking of not renewing your season ticket due to the cost because you are between the new concession rates. No problem with that but I have posted on here over the last few days, largely ignored, about the cost of going to matches and the ludicrous sums we have to pay, which to an extent you agree with based on your statement.

I have had a big wake up call over the last week, mainly due to the Rooney wage. Man Utd can pay that wage and get a return on it but if you think about it that £300,000 a week and the money in the top league has a direct bearing on STFC, Orient, Brentford and now Sheff Utd. The top clubs can cherry pick the best youth players for a pittance and loan them out to see if they make the grade. But the £300,000 a week sees the wages of lesser players rise because the QPRs, Leicester's are chasing that dream. If you are lucky you find a Russian or a Black and the STFC's, Brentford's and Preston's chase the dream of the championship.

Without a Black or a Russian what is the option ? Hope you find a Johnson or Slade, gamble and put the whole clubs future at stake or try to build a team. I think that Lee is under pressure to try to do it to quickly here due to the relative success of the club recently and the fickle nature of the fans. How do you balance charging the right ticket prices, get the club on a stable footing and satisfy the fans desire for success ?

Stable footing IMO is No 1 and I believe that should happen next season. Charging the correct admission fees to satisfy the desire for success once on a stable footing, tricky unless you find a Slade or Johnson, who were both given time. Building a team, takes time but maybe this time next year you will be wishing you had shelled out the extra money.

BTW the teams at the bottom of the Premier League have all sacked their manager this season and those that have kept faith are...

COYMR

Ps did you know that the average age of a football fan these days in mid 40's, where is the future for this great game of ours ?
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Bearwood & Gladiator - take a look at Dukey's post - here's a guy who goes to virtually every game home and away - sponsors games etc. he's worried that the signs are there that we are getting weaker and could struggle. Isn't that in a nutshell exactly what many of us are saying - that we are facing an uncertain future and that things may get worse before they get better? Are you going to accuse him of not attending games and always moaning too then? I'll tell you this when fans like Duke get disillusioned it's not a good sign that things are hunky dory because the guy is normally ultra positive.[/p][/quote]Jockster, You were on earlier saying that you were thinking of not renewing your season ticket due to the cost because you are between the new concession rates. No problem with that but I have posted on here over the last few days, largely ignored, about the cost of going to matches and the ludicrous sums we have to pay, which to an extent you agree with based on your statement. I have had a big wake up call over the last week, mainly due to the Rooney wage. Man Utd can pay that wage and get a return on it but if you think about it that £300,000 a week and the money in the top league has a direct bearing on STFC, Orient, Brentford and now Sheff Utd. The top clubs can cherry pick the best youth players for a pittance and loan them out to see if they make the grade. But the £300,000 a week sees the wages of lesser players rise because the QPRs, Leicester's are chasing that dream. If you are lucky you find a Russian or a Black and the STFC's, Brentford's and Preston's chase the dream of the championship. Without a Black or a Russian what is the option ? Hope you find a Johnson or Slade, gamble and put the whole clubs future at stake or try to build a team. I think that Lee is under pressure to try to do it to quickly here due to the relative success of the club recently and the fickle nature of the fans. How do you balance charging the right ticket prices, get the club on a stable footing and satisfy the fans desire for success ? Stable footing IMO is No 1 and I believe that should happen next season. Charging the correct admission fees to satisfy the desire for success once on a stable footing, tricky unless you find a Slade or Johnson, who were both given time. Building a team, takes time but maybe this time next year you will be wishing you had shelled out the extra money. BTW the teams at the bottom of the Premier League have all sacked their manager this season and those that have kept faith are... COYMR Ps did you know that the average age of a football fan these days in mid 40's, where is the future for this great game of ours ? Oxon-Red

9:13am Tue 25 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

Oxon - just to clarify I pay match by match. So at least I have the flexibility of deciding whether the product is worth the investment but that said at the moment it isn't and yet I'm still going home and away lol!
I think the dinosaur that is the premier league has now evolved to such an extent that the very fabric of the lower leagues(l1&2 certainly) is at risk. What's the answer? I don't know - when does someone reach that point that they feel they can't justify attending games - is it monetary or lack of performance or both? We've seen at STFC that even relative success dosent fill the ground so how do teams survive without decent crowds or a generous benefactor? I think most of us would be reasonably happy to continue to exist indefinitely in L1 but would always hope for a stab at the Championship. Can't say I'd relish another stint in L2 or worse still the Conference if our fortunes went drastically downhill. What still rankles for me is that we managed to secure defeat from the jaws of victory last season and have squandered the chance to make the playoffs this season by the look of it, but hey that's football I suppose!
Oxon - just to clarify I pay match by match. So at least I have the flexibility of deciding whether the product is worth the investment but that said at the moment it isn't and yet I'm still going home and away lol! I think the dinosaur that is the premier league has now evolved to such an extent that the very fabric of the lower leagues(l1&2 certainly) is at risk. What's the answer? I don't know - when does someone reach that point that they feel they can't justify attending games - is it monetary or lack of performance or both? We've seen at STFC that even relative success dosent fill the ground so how do teams survive without decent crowds or a generous benefactor? I think most of us would be reasonably happy to continue to exist indefinitely in L1 but would always hope for a stab at the Championship. Can't say I'd relish another stint in L2 or worse still the Conference if our fortunes went drastically downhill. What still rankles for me is that we managed to secure defeat from the jaws of victory last season and have squandered the chance to make the playoffs this season by the look of it, but hey that's football I suppose! The Jockster

11:58am Tue 25 Feb 14

The Gladiator says...

The Jockster wrote:
The Gladiator wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
Jock..listen - you have often come here referring to people with a positive view as wearing rose tinted glasses- well maybe you should take off that black cap and stop condeming the team- club to the death penalty- sorry folks! don't mean to sound insulting - not normally in my nature- but some people do get up those 2 holes above your mouth.
You are wasting your time. The Jockster NEVER listens to any one else's opinions. His sole purpose on here is to wind everyone who loves this club up! I can't remember a good word he's had to say about our club and really wonder whether he does in fact watch any games even though he says he goes home and away? In fact I'm wondering whether he is Poxford undercover and infiltrating this site?
The usual expected vitriolic response eh gladiator ? Of course like Bearwood you are entitled to your opinion but he at least debates unlike you who just attacks a fellow poster whose viewpoints disagree with yours. If you're happy with all things STFC then fine fill your boots but don't duck the points under discussion just to have a go.

I really don't give a flying fig whether you think I attend games or not but if you have the balls why don't we meet before the Crawley game tomorrow or failing that we could meet up at Cov, brizzle or Crewe away if you're going ? Or are you perhaps just an armchair wallah? I look forward to a measured adult response but I'm not holding my breath.
I am going to the Crawley game, I'll be in the Town End!
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Gladiator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Jock..listen - you have often come here referring to people with a positive view as wearing rose tinted glasses- well maybe you should take off that black cap and stop condeming the team- club to the death penalty- sorry folks! don't mean to sound insulting - not normally in my nature- but some people do get up those 2 holes above your mouth.[/p][/quote]You are wasting your time. The Jockster NEVER listens to any one else's opinions. His sole purpose on here is to wind everyone who loves this club up! I can't remember a good word he's had to say about our club and really wonder whether he does in fact watch any games even though he says he goes home and away? In fact I'm wondering whether he is Poxford undercover and infiltrating this site?[/p][/quote]The usual expected vitriolic response eh gladiator ? Of course like Bearwood you are entitled to your opinion but he at least debates unlike you who just attacks a fellow poster whose viewpoints disagree with yours. If you're happy with all things STFC then fine fill your boots but don't duck the points under discussion just to have a go. I really don't give a flying fig whether you think I attend games or not but if you have the balls why don't we meet before the Crawley game tomorrow or failing that we could meet up at Cov, brizzle or Crewe away if you're going ? Or are you perhaps just an armchair wallah? I look forward to a measured adult response but I'm not holding my breath.[/p][/quote]I am going to the Crawley game, I'll be in the Town End! The Gladiator

12:54pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

The Jockster wrote:
Oxon - just to clarify I pay match by match. So at least I have the flexibility of deciding whether the product is worth the investment but that said at the moment it isn't and yet I'm still going home and away lol! I think the dinosaur that is the premier league has now evolved to such an extent that the very fabric of the lower leagues(l1&amp;2 certainly) is at risk. What's the answer? I don't know - when does someone reach that point that they feel they can't justify attending games - is it monetary or lack of performance or both? We've seen at STFC that even relative success dosent fill the ground so how do teams survive without decent crowds or a generous benefactor? I think most of us would be reasonably happy to continue to exist indefinitely in L1 but would always hope for a stab at the Championship. Can't say I'd relish another stint in L2 or worse still the Conference if our fortunes went drastically downhill. What still rankles for me is that we managed to secure defeat from the jaws of victory last season and have squandered the chance to make the playoffs this season by the look of it, but hey that's football I suppose!
Agree with more or less all of that, really can't fault a word. Kind of ties in with a point I was trying to make before, this probably is about our level but the frustration comes from knowing recently we could've done more and haven't.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Oxon - just to clarify I pay match by match. So at least I have the flexibility of deciding whether the product is worth the investment but that said at the moment it isn't and yet I'm still going home and away lol! I think the dinosaur that is the premier league has now evolved to such an extent that the very fabric of the lower leagues(l1&2 certainly) is at risk. What's the answer? I don't know - when does someone reach that point that they feel they can't justify attending games - is it monetary or lack of performance or both? We've seen at STFC that even relative success dosent fill the ground so how do teams survive without decent crowds or a generous benefactor? I think most of us would be reasonably happy to continue to exist indefinitely in L1 but would always hope for a stab at the Championship. Can't say I'd relish another stint in L2 or worse still the Conference if our fortunes went drastically downhill. What still rankles for me is that we managed to secure defeat from the jaws of victory last season and have squandered the chance to make the playoffs this season by the look of it, but hey that's football I suppose![/p][/quote]Agree with more or less all of that, really can't fault a word. Kind of ties in with a point I was trying to make before, this probably is about our level but the frustration comes from knowing recently we could've done more and haven't. Swindon1984

1:00pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
The Jockster wrote: Bearwood &amp; Gladiator - take a look at Dukey's post - here's a guy who goes to virtually every game home and away - sponsors games etc. he's worried that the signs are there that we are getting weaker and could struggle. Isn't that in a nutshell exactly what many of us are saying - that we are facing an uncertain future and that things may get worse before they get better? Are you going to accuse him of not attending games and always moaning too then? I'll tell you this when fans like Duke get disillusioned it's not a good sign that things are hunky dory because the guy is normally ultra positive.
Jockster, You were on earlier saying that you were thinking of not renewing your season ticket due to the cost because you are between the new concession rates. No problem with that but I have posted on here over the last few days, largely ignored, about the cost of going to matches and the ludicrous sums we have to pay, which to an extent you agree with based on your statement. I have had a big wake up call over the last week, mainly due to the Rooney wage. Man Utd can pay that wage and get a return on it but if you think about it that £300,000 a week and the money in the top league has a direct bearing on STFC, Orient, Brentford and now Sheff Utd. The top clubs can cherry pick the best youth players for a pittance and loan them out to see if they make the grade. But the £300,000 a week sees the wages of lesser players rise because the QPRs, Leicester's are chasing that dream. If you are lucky you find a Russian or a Black and the STFC's, Brentford's and Preston's chase the dream of the championship. Without a Black or a Russian what is the option ? Hope you find a Johnson or Slade, gamble and put the whole clubs future at stake or try to build a team. I think that Lee is under pressure to try to do it to quickly here due to the relative success of the club recently and the fickle nature of the fans. How do you balance charging the right ticket prices, get the club on a stable footing and satisfy the fans desire for success ? Stable footing IMO is No 1 and I believe that should happen next season. Charging the correct admission fees to satisfy the desire for success once on a stable footing, tricky unless you find a Slade or Johnson, who were both given time. Building a team, takes time but maybe this time next year you will be wishing you had shelled out the extra money. BTW the teams at the bottom of the Premier League have all sacked their manager this season and those that have kept faith are... COYMR Ps did you know that the average age of a football fan these days in mid 40's, where is the future for this great game of ours ?
Good point re. wages - the top players earn huge bucks, then again it's all relative as they're at the top of their field. But we've got artificially high wages for average players - even a mediocre player in the football league can earn more in a year than say, a surgeon. Not against people getting a good wage (after all if I was a professional footballer I wouldn't argue) but surely something has to give. Clubs are paying huge sums in wages which are driving them to near bankruptcy just for a chance of success, maybe not even a realistic chance. Build a team for the future? If you're players are any good what's the likelihood of being able to keep them? Hence my point about the Crewe model, maybe Cooper/Power are talking about bringing up young players just to keep the club afloat rather than aiming for success. I could certainly understand why - I mean if there're club struggling in the championship with a gate three or four times ours, what chance have we got?
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Bearwood & Gladiator - take a look at Dukey's post - here's a guy who goes to virtually every game home and away - sponsors games etc. he's worried that the signs are there that we are getting weaker and could struggle. Isn't that in a nutshell exactly what many of us are saying - that we are facing an uncertain future and that things may get worse before they get better? Are you going to accuse him of not attending games and always moaning too then? I'll tell you this when fans like Duke get disillusioned it's not a good sign that things are hunky dory because the guy is normally ultra positive.[/p][/quote]Jockster, You were on earlier saying that you were thinking of not renewing your season ticket due to the cost because you are between the new concession rates. No problem with that but I have posted on here over the last few days, largely ignored, about the cost of going to matches and the ludicrous sums we have to pay, which to an extent you agree with based on your statement. I have had a big wake up call over the last week, mainly due to the Rooney wage. Man Utd can pay that wage and get a return on it but if you think about it that £300,000 a week and the money in the top league has a direct bearing on STFC, Orient, Brentford and now Sheff Utd. The top clubs can cherry pick the best youth players for a pittance and loan them out to see if they make the grade. But the £300,000 a week sees the wages of lesser players rise because the QPRs, Leicester's are chasing that dream. If you are lucky you find a Russian or a Black and the STFC's, Brentford's and Preston's chase the dream of the championship. Without a Black or a Russian what is the option ? Hope you find a Johnson or Slade, gamble and put the whole clubs future at stake or try to build a team. I think that Lee is under pressure to try to do it to quickly here due to the relative success of the club recently and the fickle nature of the fans. How do you balance charging the right ticket prices, get the club on a stable footing and satisfy the fans desire for success ? Stable footing IMO is No 1 and I believe that should happen next season. Charging the correct admission fees to satisfy the desire for success once on a stable footing, tricky unless you find a Slade or Johnson, who were both given time. Building a team, takes time but maybe this time next year you will be wishing you had shelled out the extra money. BTW the teams at the bottom of the Premier League have all sacked their manager this season and those that have kept faith are... COYMR Ps did you know that the average age of a football fan these days in mid 40's, where is the future for this great game of ours ?[/p][/quote]Good point re. wages - the top players earn huge bucks, then again it's all relative as they're at the top of their field. But we've got artificially high wages for average players - even a mediocre player in the football league can earn more in a year than say, a surgeon. Not against people getting a good wage (after all if I was a professional footballer I wouldn't argue) but surely something has to give. Clubs are paying huge sums in wages which are driving them to near bankruptcy just for a chance of success, maybe not even a realistic chance. Build a team for the future? If you're players are any good what's the likelihood of being able to keep them? Hence my point about the Crewe model, maybe Cooper/Power are talking about bringing up young players just to keep the club afloat rather than aiming for success. I could certainly understand why - I mean if there're club struggling in the championship with a gate three or four times ours, what chance have we got? Swindon1984

1:52pm Tue 25 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

the wizard wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 &lt; 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket.

My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.
Wooooaaahhh, Jock, you tight ar5ed old Scotsman ! Double LOL ! Having trouble with the turnstile on the wallet, or just the padlock and chain around it all. triple LOL .

Sarc apart, sorry to have been the bearer of such bad tidings last evening.

I think Power has shot himself in the foot over this one. Does Power not appreciate how many others some of us old timers bring to a game, including future supporters called Grand Children, who always need feeding etc at the game etc, programmes, shirts etc etc.
Och aye well I would be if I was really a jock lol! Yep I think the Power has FAC upped here with that one - especially if we have another mediocre season like this one. I won't be shelling out top dollar to watch the type of defensive displays we've witnessed this season.
Right back to the decorating now where's that sander!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Just a quick footnote on next season's ticket prices for wrinklies like me - over 60 < 65. Will have to pay full price until 65 if currently in 60-64 bracket. My reaction? Thou can get stuffed Mr. Power - the product on offer ain't worth paying full whack for! I'll just go to the away games with the boys at those clubs that offer concessions to over 60's but under 65.[/p][/quote]Wooooaaahhh, Jock, you tight ar5ed old Scotsman ! Double LOL ! Having trouble with the turnstile on the wallet, or just the padlock and chain around it all. triple LOL . Sarc apart, sorry to have been the bearer of such bad tidings last evening. I think Power has shot himself in the foot over this one. Does Power not appreciate how many others some of us old timers bring to a game, including future supporters called Grand Children, who always need feeding etc at the game etc, programmes, shirts etc etc.[/p][/quote]Och aye well I would be if I was really a jock lol! Yep I think the Power has FAC upped here with that one - especially if we have another mediocre season like this one. I won't be shelling out top dollar to watch the type of defensive displays we've witnessed this season. Right back to the decorating now where's that sander! The Jockster

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