SWINDON TOWN: Cooper to hold off on Murphy extension decision

Jacob Murphy's loan stay at Swindon Town expires this weekend

Jacob Murphy's loan stay at Swindon Town expires this weekend

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SWINDON Town manager Mark Cooper does not anticipate running into any problems should he wish to extend Jacob Murphy’s loan stay from Norwich City but he’ll wait until the last minute to decide whether or not he wants to keep the young forward.

Murphy has made six appearances for the Robins, three of which have been as a substitute, since arriving from the Canaries on an initial one-month deal at the beginning of February.

The terms of that arrangement expire this weekend, meaning the League One visit of MK Dons to the County Ground will, as it stands, be the teenager’s final outing in the red of Town.

Cooper has been impressed by Murphy in patches during his brief time in Wiltshire and is open to the possibility of keeping him on for the remainder of the campaign, particularly given Nile Ranger’s long-term injury absence, but the Swindon boss has not yet made up his mind.

However, he is confident that even if he leaves the decision until after the game against the Dons he won’t have any difficulties prolonging Murphy’s stay.

When asked if any discussions regarding an extension had taken place, Cooper told the Advertiser: “Not at the moment, we’re going to see how he goes for the month but I don’t think there’d be any problem if we chose to extend it. I haven’t thought about it, to be honest.

“He’s got another game so we’ll see how he goes on Saturday and take it from there.

“Some can be done longer, some people have done so well that you have to do it straight away before somebody else takes them.”

Murphy has been used as a winger, a wide forward and a number 10 playing off the central striker during his time with Swindon and Cooper is still figuring out where the 19-year-old is most effective.

“I think he could play anywhere,” he said. “He could play as a number 10, a number seven, a number 11 – we chose to go with two strikers today. Jacob has impressed in patches and there are things he’s got to learn.”

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6:57am Tue 4 Mar 14

stokes_stfc says...

I would send him back... Shown some promise but has made some costly errors (e.g was at fault for Peterborough's equaliser). I think he will do well but not what we need at the moment. We need to look to bring in a striker on loan
I would send him back... Shown some promise but has made some costly errors (e.g was at fault for Peterborough's equaliser). I think he will do well but not what we need at the moment. We need to look to bring in a striker on loan stokes_stfc
  • Score: 15

7:01am Tue 4 Mar 14

LionelHutz says...

A striker to replace Nile should be the priority imo. Another centre back wouldn't go amiss either. Despite our inconsistent form we still have an opportunity to reach 6th place and we should go all out to try and get it.
A striker to replace Nile should be the priority imo. Another centre back wouldn't go amiss either. Despite our inconsistent form we still have an opportunity to reach 6th place and we should go all out to try and get it. LionelHutz
  • Score: 16

7:20am Tue 4 Mar 14

Helpme234 says...

I'd keep him on the basis we need fit players at any position. If Miles returns he could provide additional support for Smith, along with Dany and Barker. Let's be realistic we aren't going to be able to sign another striker with the quality of Ranger..
I'd keep him on the basis we need fit players at any position. If Miles returns he could provide additional support for Smith, along with Dany and Barker. Let's be realistic we aren't going to be able to sign another striker with the quality of Ranger.. Helpme234
  • Score: 4

7:53am Tue 4 Mar 14

London Red says...

I would say keep him - but play him in his position - a winger!
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If you want a pacy forward get Miles in the team - you said he plays in a 2 up top so if we are now playing that lets see what he can do
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Then let's get some width with Pritchard, Murphy, Tijane and even Byrne
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This worked at Port Vale very well - so why stop using it?
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Think we are suffering like Spurs are. There was an article yesterday saying Sherwood changing formation too often and should stick to one even if they get beat in it.
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Think we should do that too - if Ranger is needed for 4231 - then go 442 for rest of the season as he is out!
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Also keep players in one position - it can't help Murphy or Byrne etc moving all over the shop
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Luongo and Thompson looked good as a pair - so start there
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If it is felt without Pritchard we need the diamond - fine - make it narrow and add in Harly and Kasim like Crewe
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Just don't keep going 352, 433, 460 then 442!
I would say keep him - but play him in his position - a winger! . If you want a pacy forward get Miles in the team - you said he plays in a 2 up top so if we are now playing that lets see what he can do . Then let's get some width with Pritchard, Murphy, Tijane and even Byrne . This worked at Port Vale very well - so why stop using it? . Think we are suffering like Spurs are. There was an article yesterday saying Sherwood changing formation too often and should stick to one even if they get beat in it. . Think we should do that too - if Ranger is needed for 4231 - then go 442 for rest of the season as he is out! . Also keep players in one position - it can't help Murphy or Byrne etc moving all over the shop . Luongo and Thompson looked good as a pair - so start there . If it is felt without Pritchard we need the diamond - fine - make it narrow and add in Harly and Kasim like Crewe . Just don't keep going 352, 433, 460 then 442! London Red
  • Score: 16

8:10am Tue 4 Mar 14

Oldhamred says...

Whilst I'm sure he has not performed as well as he would of liked, he has shown glimpses of what he is capable of.
The problem with a 1 month loan deal is there is precious little time to settle in so the need to hit the ground running and impress is vital.
Given the likely amount we are paying for his services I think it would be good business to retain him for the remainder of the season to really see what he is about.
With regard to the above comment and his costly mistake against Peterborough, whilst I agree the fault was with him, overall I think he had a fairly good game that day. If we were to release all the players that made a costly mistake in a game this season we'd be selecting from the Ladies reserves by now.
Whilst I'm sure he has not performed as well as he would of liked, he has shown glimpses of what he is capable of. The problem with a 1 month loan deal is there is precious little time to settle in so the need to hit the ground running and impress is vital. Given the likely amount we are paying for his services I think it would be good business to retain him for the remainder of the season to really see what he is about. With regard to the above comment and his costly mistake against Peterborough, whilst I agree the fault was with him, overall I think he had a fairly good game that day. If we were to release all the players that made a costly mistake in a game this season we'd be selecting from the Ladies reserves by now. Oldhamred
  • Score: 5

8:25am Tue 4 Mar 14

LeGod says...

well i know he is young but have not been impressed with what i have seen of him so far and he was absolutely shocking at Orient. A striker is what we need as we cant score and we cant score more than one goal a game at the moment.
Personally i would send him back.
well i know he is young but have not been impressed with what i have seen of him so far and he was absolutely shocking at Orient. A striker is what we need as we cant score and we cant score more than one goal a game at the moment. Personally i would send him back. LeGod
  • Score: 4

8:27am Tue 4 Mar 14

GiulianoGrazioli says...

is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him... GiulianoGrazioli
  • Score: -9

8:39am Tue 4 Mar 14

old town robin says...

We all have opinions, but the only one that counts is mark Cooper's. If he has a reasonable game Saturday, I think Cooper will decide to keep him. Personally I have not been that impressed, reminds me of when we had Obika, glimpses of talent, but a bit lazy and not one that's going to chase loss causes if it's not played straight to him. Yes, he's very young, but is he any better than all the youngsters we have on their first senior contract. I don't know because I have never seen them play, because they've never been given the chance to show what they can do. Murphy has been lucky to get as much game time as he has due to our injuries.

One thing for sure I expect Cooper to bring Miles Storey back after this weekend, but then again, one can never be too sure if the manager see's it the same way as many of the fans do..................
....lol
We all have opinions, but the only one that counts is mark Cooper's. If he has a reasonable game Saturday, I think Cooper will decide to keep him. Personally I have not been that impressed, reminds me of when we had Obika, glimpses of talent, but a bit lazy and not one that's going to chase loss causes if it's not played straight to him. Yes, he's very young, but is he any better than all the youngsters we have on their first senior contract. I don't know because I have never seen them play, because they've never been given the chance to show what they can do. Murphy has been lucky to get as much game time as he has due to our injuries. One thing for sure I expect Cooper to bring Miles Storey back after this weekend, but then again, one can never be too sure if the manager see's it the same way as many of the fans do.................. ....lol old town robin
  • Score: 1

8:52am Tue 4 Mar 14

old town robin says...

GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does.

Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
[quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening. old town robin
  • Score: 0

8:57am Tue 4 Mar 14

LeGod says...

agree with above postings on the Ranger case unless his defence gives a good closing speech its not looking good for Nile what i have read so far.
agree with above postings on the Ranger case unless his defence gives a good closing speech its not looking good for Nile what i have read so far. LeGod
  • Score: 0

9:01am Tue 4 Mar 14

Robinonfire says...

Mr Power & Glove puppet ....Get Storey back and give him a chance.
Mr Power & Glove puppet ....Get Storey back and give him a chance. Robinonfire
  • Score: -13

9:07am Tue 4 Mar 14

Cleuso says...

Robinonfire wrote:
Mr Power & Glove puppet ....Get Storey back and give him a chance.
Has he set Shrewsbury alight ?
[quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Mr Power & Glove puppet ....Get Storey back and give him a chance.[/p][/quote]Has he set Shrewsbury alight ? Cleuso
  • Score: 4

9:10am Tue 4 Mar 14

LeGod says...

Robinonfire - As much as i agree Storey deserves his chance i dont think he's a 90 minute player at the moment having said that i would rather have him in the side than some of the loan players we have brought in.
Storey is more of an impact player when the opposition are tiring and he has done it well in games when he has come on for the last 20 minutes. It will be a matter of his development before he is used fully for 90 minutes as he is still only 19 i believe so it is still early in his career.
With our lack of fire power i dont understand the logic of sending him to a team in our league the only reason is more experience but why dont we give him that by introducing him into games for the last twenty minutes and gradually increasing his minutes on the pitch when he is fully ready.
Storey is not ready i believe to start games yet as he gest bossed about more experienced pro's so i am contradicitng myself a bit but his time will come soon im sure.
Robinonfire - As much as i agree Storey deserves his chance i dont think he's a 90 minute player at the moment having said that i would rather have him in the side than some of the loan players we have brought in. Storey is more of an impact player when the opposition are tiring and he has done it well in games when he has come on for the last 20 minutes. It will be a matter of his development before he is used fully for 90 minutes as he is still only 19 i believe so it is still early in his career. With our lack of fire power i dont understand the logic of sending him to a team in our league the only reason is more experience but why dont we give him that by introducing him into games for the last twenty minutes and gradually increasing his minutes on the pitch when he is fully ready. Storey is not ready i believe to start games yet as he gest bossed about more experienced pro's so i am contradicitng myself a bit but his time will come soon im sure. LeGod
  • Score: 9

9:37am Tue 4 Mar 14

RogerJ1969 says...

old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does.

Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
I tend to disagree, from my reading of the trial I reckon he may be found not guilty.
I have been following it on the Newcastle local paper website 'Chronicle live',

I am no expert but it seems to me to prove 'beyond reasonable doubt' may be difficult.
If he is found guilty it is such a waste of a promising career, if not guilty and he learns from his mistakes we will have one hell of a talent on our hands.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]I tend to disagree, from my reading of the trial I reckon he may be found not guilty. I have been following it on the Newcastle local paper website 'Chronicle live', I am no expert but it seems to me to prove 'beyond reasonable doubt' may be difficult. If he is found guilty it is such a waste of a promising career, if not guilty and he learns from his mistakes we will have one hell of a talent on our hands. RogerJ1969
  • Score: 7

9:58am Tue 4 Mar 14

Stilloyal says...

GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
Yes not looking good for him is it . If innocent then he should walk free and probably make a miraculous recovery from injury. If guilty then he'll get what he deserves and no sympathy from me.
I hope he's innocent though and soon back in a Town shirt.
[quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]Yes not looking good for him is it . If innocent then he should walk free and probably make a miraculous recovery from injury. If guilty then he'll get what he deserves and no sympathy from me. I hope he's innocent though and soon back in a Town shirt. Stilloyal
  • Score: 1

10:00am Tue 4 Mar 14

uruguay whitey the red says...

why the hell don't we give waldon and francis a run up top,why play a kid from another youth project and not use our own?.cooper sums up his own involvement in the playing squad by his admission he hasn't thought of whats happening with this lad.the comment because niles out he may keep a youth team winger to replace a premier league centre forward?????.
why the hell don't we give waldon and francis a run up top,why play a kid from another youth project and not use our own?.cooper sums up his own involvement in the playing squad by his admission he hasn't thought of whats happening with this lad.the comment because niles out he may keep a youth team winger to replace a premier league centre forward?????. uruguay whitey the red
  • Score: 0

10:05am Tue 4 Mar 14

Stilloyal says...

uruguay whitey the red wrote:
why the hell don't we give waldon and francis a run up top,why play a kid from another youth project and not use our own?.cooper sums up his own involvement in the playing squad by his admission he hasn't thought of whats happening with this lad.the comment because niles out he may keep a youth team winger to replace a premier league centre forward?????.
Think Francis is recovering from a serious injury
[quote][p][bold]uruguay whitey the red[/bold] wrote: why the hell don't we give waldon and francis a run up top,why play a kid from another youth project and not use our own?.cooper sums up his own involvement in the playing squad by his admission he hasn't thought of whats happening with this lad.the comment because niles out he may keep a youth team winger to replace a premier league centre forward?????.[/p][/quote]Think Francis is recovering from a serious injury Stilloyal
  • Score: 1

10:20am Tue 4 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does.

Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
OTR, it's a pIty that the character of the woman has to be considered. I wonder how many victims have failed to report rapes because they know they would face character assassination in the witness box?

We will never know for sure whether Ranger is guilty or innocent. All we can hope for is that at the end of it all the jury has reached the right verdict. An innocent man being jailed and a guilty man walking free are both very undesirable outcomes.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]OTR, it's a pIty that the character of the woman has to be considered. I wonder how many victims have failed to report rapes because they know they would face character assassination in the witness box? We will never know for sure whether Ranger is guilty or innocent. All we can hope for is that at the end of it all the jury has reached the right verdict. An innocent man being jailed and a guilty man walking free are both very undesirable outcomes. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

10:25am Tue 4 Mar 14

bradley red 1 says...

Glove puppet has no say on who stays,plays,leaves as we all know,why lee power continues to hide behind cooper is a farce! power might as well have the title of manager,owner,chairm
an,director of football,player recruitment,tactics,
will never sit right for me as long as these people are at the club and looking at attendances this season seems i am not the only one.
Glove puppet has no say on who stays,plays,leaves as we all know,why lee power continues to hide behind cooper is a farce! power might as well have the title of manager,owner,chairm an,director of football,player recruitment,tactics, will never sit right for me as long as these people are at the club and looking at attendances this season seems i am not the only one. bradley red 1
  • Score: -10

10:35am Tue 4 Mar 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
OTR, it's a pIty that the character of the woman has to be considered. I wonder how many victims have failed to report rapes because they know they would face character assassination in the witness box? We will never know for sure whether Ranger is guilty or innocent. All we can hope for is that at the end of it all the jury has reached the right verdict. An innocent man being jailed and a guilty man walking free are both very undesirable outcomes.
Indeed. And looking at what's been put forward, even if found not guilty, you'd have to question the moral compass of someone who could take advantage of someone who's clearly not in a fit state to know what they're doing.

Talking about character assassination though, it goes both ways - it's hard to reconcile in ones own mind the legal system (which I've had a fair bit of training on from some very knowledgeable people but that's another story) - the weight of the evidence has to be tested thoroughly to ensure it stands up, that's fair and reasonable, but it's a fine line between doing so and badgering a witness, and attempting to "get someone off" if you know they're guilty. Just beause the evidence might not hold up, and just because someone may be acquitted, doesn't mean they haven't done what they're accused of (I'm speaking in purely general terms I might add, before someone threatens to sue). It's a tricky one.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]OTR, it's a pIty that the character of the woman has to be considered. I wonder how many victims have failed to report rapes because they know they would face character assassination in the witness box? We will never know for sure whether Ranger is guilty or innocent. All we can hope for is that at the end of it all the jury has reached the right verdict. An innocent man being jailed and a guilty man walking free are both very undesirable outcomes.[/p][/quote]Indeed. And looking at what's been put forward, even if found not guilty, you'd have to question the moral compass of someone who could take advantage of someone who's clearly not in a fit state to know what they're doing. Talking about character assassination though, it goes both ways - it's hard to reconcile in ones own mind the legal system (which I've had a fair bit of training on from some very knowledgeable people but that's another story) - the weight of the evidence has to be tested thoroughly to ensure it stands up, that's fair and reasonable, but it's a fine line between doing so and badgering a witness, and attempting to "get someone off" if you know they're guilty. Just beause the evidence might not hold up, and just because someone may be acquitted, doesn't mean they haven't done what they're accused of (I'm speaking in purely general terms I might add, before someone threatens to sue). It's a tricky one. Swindon1984
  • Score: -3

10:42am Tue 4 Mar 14

Steve. Brentford says...

old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does.

Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
I would like to think that if he innocent then he will be found not guilty and if it looks like it is going against him then maybe the reason is that he is guilty in that case throw him in prison with the other sex cases and forget about him.
I believe we have seen the last of him no matter what the verdict he doesnt really want to be little old Swindon Town but never really had a choice if found not guilty he will have a choice probably in the championship.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]I would like to think that if he innocent then he will be found not guilty and if it looks like it is going against him then maybe the reason is that he is guilty in that case throw him in prison with the other sex cases and forget about him. I believe we have seen the last of him no matter what the verdict he doesnt really want to be little old Swindon Town but never really had a choice if found not guilty he will have a choice probably in the championship. Steve. Brentford
  • Score: 4

10:51am Tue 4 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
OTR, it's a pIty that the character of the woman has to be considered. I wonder how many victims have failed to report rapes because they know they would face character assassination in the witness box? We will never know for sure whether Ranger is guilty or innocent. All we can hope for is that at the end of it all the jury has reached the right verdict. An innocent man being jailed and a guilty man walking free are both very undesirable outcomes.
Indeed. And looking at what's been put forward, even if found not guilty, you'd have to question the moral compass of someone who could take advantage of someone who's clearly not in a fit state to know what they're doing.

Talking about character assassination though, it goes both ways - it's hard to reconcile in ones own mind the legal system (which I've had a fair bit of training on from some very knowledgeable people but that's another story) - the weight of the evidence has to be tested thoroughly to ensure it stands up, that's fair and reasonable, but it's a fine line between doing so and badgering a witness, and attempting to "get someone off" if you know they're guilty. Just beause the evidence might not hold up, and just because someone may be acquitted, doesn't mean they haven't done what they're accused of (I'm speaking in purely general terms I might add, before someone threatens to sue). It's a tricky one.
Superb post '84. Couldn't agree more.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]OTR, it's a pIty that the character of the woman has to be considered. I wonder how many victims have failed to report rapes because they know they would face character assassination in the witness box? We will never know for sure whether Ranger is guilty or innocent. All we can hope for is that at the end of it all the jury has reached the right verdict. An innocent man being jailed and a guilty man walking free are both very undesirable outcomes.[/p][/quote]Indeed. And looking at what's been put forward, even if found not guilty, you'd have to question the moral compass of someone who could take advantage of someone who's clearly not in a fit state to know what they're doing. Talking about character assassination though, it goes both ways - it's hard to reconcile in ones own mind the legal system (which I've had a fair bit of training on from some very knowledgeable people but that's another story) - the weight of the evidence has to be tested thoroughly to ensure it stands up, that's fair and reasonable, but it's a fine line between doing so and badgering a witness, and attempting to "get someone off" if you know they're guilty. Just beause the evidence might not hold up, and just because someone may be acquitted, doesn't mean they haven't done what they're accused of (I'm speaking in purely general terms I might add, before someone threatens to sue). It's a tricky one.[/p][/quote]Superb post '84. Couldn't agree more. Oi Den!
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11:00am Tue 4 Mar 14

old town robin says...

RogerJ1969 wrote:
old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does.

Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
I tend to disagree, from my reading of the trial I reckon he may be found not guilty.
I have been following it on the Newcastle local paper website 'Chronicle live',

I am no expert but it seems to me to prove 'beyond reasonable doubt' may be difficult.
If he is found guilty it is such a waste of a promising career, if not guilty and he learns from his mistakes we will have one hell of a talent on our hands.
I've also been following the Chronical news along with the Pardow headlines, it;s been interesting reading. Adver has been writing a similar article, but on here you would need to go and find it as it's not being run as a main story.

I think you have a good point, the verdict has to be beyond reasonable doubt, it wasn't the first time she had gone back to his hotel room, if I was her boy friend, (if she really has one), I would not be too happy with that. even as she admitted nothing happened the first time in addition she wasn't exactly dragged out the cab as the prosecution inferred, in fact she was left in it alone for a while whilst Nile went into the hotel to book a room and could have insisted the cabbie take her home. In fact I haven't read anything to say the cabbie was asked to testify, but the prosecution did use the testimony of the night porter to good effect.. She was still texting him with banter the day after the occurrence and only seems to have reported it to the police after she saw him booking the room the following night.for another one night stand. She suffered no physical injuries to prove he forced himself on her and add to that her reaction in the night club to the 2 girls who wanted a photo taken with him, there would seem to me she was reading more into the relationship than there really was.

Of course this is all conjecture, but enough to raise reasonable doubt if it's presented in the right way by the defence. I don't condone any form of abuse to women or children and rape is as bad as it gets and anyone committing such a serious crime deserves everything they get. They were both drunk and many of us have all said things and done things we regret after getting intoxicated. but to cry rape and have a man put away for a long time because of your own foolish actions should be a wake up call not to get into that situation again.

if he does get acquitted I hope Nile will learn from this, but as the porter said he has the footballer arrogance, so still a lot of growing up to do.
[quote][p][bold]RogerJ1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]I tend to disagree, from my reading of the trial I reckon he may be found not guilty. I have been following it on the Newcastle local paper website 'Chronicle live', I am no expert but it seems to me to prove 'beyond reasonable doubt' may be difficult. If he is found guilty it is such a waste of a promising career, if not guilty and he learns from his mistakes we will have one hell of a talent on our hands.[/p][/quote]I've also been following the Chronical news along with the Pardow headlines, it;s been interesting reading. Adver has been writing a similar article, but on here you would need to go and find it as it's not being run as a main story. I think you have a good point, the verdict has to be beyond reasonable doubt, it wasn't the first time she had gone back to his hotel room, if I was her boy friend, (if she really has one), I would not be too happy with that. even as she admitted nothing happened the first time in addition she wasn't exactly dragged out the cab as the prosecution inferred, in fact she was left in it alone for a while whilst Nile went into the hotel to book a room and could have insisted the cabbie take her home. In fact I haven't read anything to say the cabbie was asked to testify, but the prosecution did use the testimony of the night porter to good effect.. She was still texting him with banter the day after the occurrence and only seems to have reported it to the police after she saw him booking the room the following night.for another one night stand. She suffered no physical injuries to prove he forced himself on her and add to that her reaction in the night club to the 2 girls who wanted a photo taken with him, there would seem to me she was reading more into the relationship than there really was. Of course this is all conjecture, but enough to raise reasonable doubt if it's presented in the right way by the defence. I don't condone any form of abuse to women or children and rape is as bad as it gets and anyone committing such a serious crime deserves everything they get. They were both drunk and many of us have all said things and done things we regret after getting intoxicated. but to cry rape and have a man put away for a long time because of your own foolish actions should be a wake up call not to get into that situation again. if he does get acquitted I hope Nile will learn from this, but as the porter said he has the footballer arrogance, so still a lot of growing up to do. old town robin
  • Score: 3

11:04am Tue 4 Mar 14

The Jockster says...

old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does.

Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
So it doesn't matter if he's guilty then OTR? As long as his brief gives a good closing speech and gets him off?
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]So it doesn't matter if he's guilty then OTR? As long as his brief gives a good closing speech and gets him off? The Jockster
  • Score: -6

11:07am Tue 4 Mar 14

old town robin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does.

Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
OTR, it's a pIty that the character of the woman has to be considered. I wonder how many victims have failed to report rapes because they know they would face character assassination in the witness box?

We will never know for sure whether Ranger is guilty or innocent. All we can hope for is that at the end of it all the jury has reached the right verdict. An innocent man being jailed and a guilty man walking free are both very undesirable outcomes.
good point Den, but without any witnesses to collaborate either side, if the prosecution builds a case on the character assassination on the defendant then surely the defence has the right to respond if the reported accusation of the plaintiff is to be believed or not.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]OTR, it's a pIty that the character of the woman has to be considered. I wonder how many victims have failed to report rapes because they know they would face character assassination in the witness box? We will never know for sure whether Ranger is guilty or innocent. All we can hope for is that at the end of it all the jury has reached the right verdict. An innocent man being jailed and a guilty man walking free are both very undesirable outcomes.[/p][/quote]good point Den, but without any witnesses to collaborate either side, if the prosecution builds a case on the character assassination on the defendant then surely the defence has the right to respond if the reported accusation of the plaintiff is to be believed or not. old town robin
  • Score: 3

11:10am Tue 4 Mar 14

old town robin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
OTR, it's a pIty that the character of the woman has to be considered. I wonder how many victims have failed to report rapes because they know they would face character assassination in the witness box? We will never know for sure whether Ranger is guilty or innocent. All we can hope for is that at the end of it all the jury has reached the right verdict. An innocent man being jailed and a guilty man walking free are both very undesirable outcomes.
Indeed. And looking at what's been put forward, even if found not guilty, you'd have to question the moral compass of someone who could take advantage of someone who's clearly not in a fit state to know what they're doing.

Talking about character assassination though, it goes both ways - it's hard to reconcile in ones own mind the legal system (which I've had a fair bit of training on from some very knowledgeable people but that's another story) - the weight of the evidence has to be tested thoroughly to ensure it stands up, that's fair and reasonable, but it's a fine line between doing so and badgering a witness, and attempting to "get someone off" if you know they're guilty. Just beause the evidence might not hold up, and just because someone may be acquitted, doesn't mean they haven't done what they're accused of (I'm speaking in purely general terms I might add, before someone threatens to sue). It's a tricky one.
Superb post '84. Couldn't agree more.
agree very good post
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]OTR, it's a pIty that the character of the woman has to be considered. I wonder how many victims have failed to report rapes because they know they would face character assassination in the witness box? We will never know for sure whether Ranger is guilty or innocent. All we can hope for is that at the end of it all the jury has reached the right verdict. An innocent man being jailed and a guilty man walking free are both very undesirable outcomes.[/p][/quote]Indeed. And looking at what's been put forward, even if found not guilty, you'd have to question the moral compass of someone who could take advantage of someone who's clearly not in a fit state to know what they're doing. Talking about character assassination though, it goes both ways - it's hard to reconcile in ones own mind the legal system (which I've had a fair bit of training on from some very knowledgeable people but that's another story) - the weight of the evidence has to be tested thoroughly to ensure it stands up, that's fair and reasonable, but it's a fine line between doing so and badgering a witness, and attempting to "get someone off" if you know they're guilty. Just beause the evidence might not hold up, and just because someone may be acquitted, doesn't mean they haven't done what they're accused of (I'm speaking in purely general terms I might add, before someone threatens to sue). It's a tricky one.[/p][/quote]Superb post '84. Couldn't agree more.[/p][/quote]agree very good post old town robin
  • Score: 0

11:22am Tue 4 Mar 14

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

The Jockster wrote:
old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does.

Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
So it doesn't matter if he's guilty then OTR? As long as his brief gives a good closing speech and gets him off?
Surely no different Jockster to any other legal case on any other subject in our courts today in the country.
Most of the verdicts coming out of our courts today are about as sound as picking the lottery numbers.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]So it doesn't matter if he's guilty then OTR? As long as his brief gives a good closing speech and gets him off?[/p][/quote]Surely no different Jockster to any other legal case on any other subject in our courts today in the country. Most of the verdicts coming out of our courts today are about as sound as picking the lottery numbers. Old-Stager, Hilperton
  • Score: 2

11:28am Tue 4 Mar 14

The Jockster says...

OTR just read your latest post and you've obviously been following the case more closely than me. You are right , having served on a jury for a rape case, the prosecution has to prove he did do it, and the jury have to decide and e I total/majority agreement. If they have any doubts or if Ranger genuinely believed she was consenting even if she actually wasn't because she didn't say she wasn't then reasonable doubt kicks in and the judge will direct the jury to acquit.

From my take - I think NR probably certainly took advantage but did he rape her? - too many circumstances above that you've highlighted sway me into thinking that she probably went along with it all and then changed her mind later. I find her texts to him the next day which weren't accusatory? the most bizarre concept and which just might tip the balance in his favour. All that said of course he could be guilty and that's the nub in these cases only the two involved really know.
OTR just read your latest post and you've obviously been following the case more closely than me. You are right , having served on a jury for a rape case, the prosecution has to prove he did do it, and the jury have to decide and e I total/majority agreement. If they have any doubts or if Ranger genuinely believed she was consenting even if she actually wasn't because she didn't say she wasn't then reasonable doubt kicks in and the judge will direct the jury to acquit. From my take - I think NR probably certainly took advantage but did he rape her? - too many circumstances above that you've highlighted sway me into thinking that she probably went along with it all and then changed her mind later. I find her texts to him the next day which weren't accusatory? the most bizarre concept and which just might tip the balance in his favour. All that said of course he could be guilty and that's the nub in these cases only the two involved really know. The Jockster
  • Score: -2

11:28am Tue 4 Mar 14

old town robin says...

The Jockster wrote:
old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does.

Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
So it doesn't matter if he's guilty then OTR? As long as his brief gives a good closing speech and gets him off?
Grow up Jock, that is not what I said, if you have been reading the reports the prosecution has built a very strong case that could put Ranger away for a long time for raping a woman. What I meant to say which you have obviously mis-understood was the defence are going to have to present a stronger defence than what they have so far if they are to have any chance of getting a not guilty verdict. If the defence can cast reasonable doubt then the likelihood is he could be found not guilty, if not then he will go down, as simple as, so please don't twist my words that he should get off regardless if he has committed a crime.or not. To be honest if he does get off there will always be that element of doubt as to whether he should have been punished for having sex with an intoxicated woman, but If every man were to be locked up for taking advantage of a woman that;s worse for wear, I dread to think how many men would have criminal records.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]So it doesn't matter if he's guilty then OTR? As long as his brief gives a good closing speech and gets him off?[/p][/quote]Grow up Jock, that is not what I said, if you have been reading the reports the prosecution has built a very strong case that could put Ranger away for a long time for raping a woman. What I meant to say which you have obviously mis-understood was the defence are going to have to present a stronger defence than what they have so far if they are to have any chance of getting a not guilty verdict. If the defence can cast reasonable doubt then the likelihood is he could be found not guilty, if not then he will go down, as simple as, so please don't twist my words that he should get off regardless if he has committed a crime.or not. To be honest if he does get off there will always be that element of doubt as to whether he should have been punished for having sex with an intoxicated woman, but If every man were to be locked up for taking advantage of a woman that;s worse for wear, I dread to think how many men would have criminal records. old town robin
  • Score: 7

11:36am Tue 4 Mar 14

The Jockster says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does.

Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
So it doesn't matter if he's guilty then OTR? As long as his brief gives a good closing speech and gets him off?
Surely no different Jockster to any other legal case on any other subject in our courts today in the country.
Most of the verdicts coming out of our courts today are about as sound as picking the lottery numbers.
OSH - point taken but in most other types of trials there are invariably witnesses for both sides - in rape cases there's usually not any.
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]So it doesn't matter if he's guilty then OTR? As long as his brief gives a good closing speech and gets him off?[/p][/quote]Surely no different Jockster to any other legal case on any other subject in our courts today in the country. Most of the verdicts coming out of our courts today are about as sound as picking the lottery numbers.[/p][/quote]OSH - point taken but in most other types of trials there are invariably witnesses for both sides - in rape cases there's usually not any. The Jockster
  • Score: 0

11:40am Tue 4 Mar 14

old town robin says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
old town robin wrote:
GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
is the final verdict for Ranger announced today?

what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...
I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does.

Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.
So it doesn't matter if he's guilty then OTR? As long as his brief gives a good closing speech and gets him off?
Surely no different Jockster to any other legal case on any other subject in our courts today in the country.
Most of the verdicts coming out of our courts today are about as sound as picking the lottery numbers.
exactly
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: is the final verdict for Ranger announced today? what I have read thus far - looks likely it is all going against him...[/p][/quote]I hope not, I have been reading the day to day report and I do agree with you the prosecutor has been getting the advantage because IMO the defence solicitor has not thrown up much of an argument as to the character of the woman. Today's his chance to give a good closing summary, Let's hope he does. Verdict could be given as soon as this evening.[/p][/quote]So it doesn't matter if he's guilty then OTR? As long as his brief gives a good closing speech and gets him off?[/p][/quote]Surely no different Jockster to any other legal case on any other subject in our courts today in the country. Most of the verdicts coming out of our courts today are about as sound as picking the lottery numbers.[/p][/quote]exactly old town robin
  • Score: 0

11:43am Tue 4 Mar 14

old town robin says...

The Jockster wrote:
OTR just read your latest post and you've obviously been following the case more closely than me. You are right , having served on a jury for a rape case, the prosecution has to prove he did do it, and the jury have to decide and e I total/majority agreement. If they have any doubts or if Ranger genuinely believed she was consenting even if she actually wasn't because she didn't say she wasn't then reasonable doubt kicks in and the judge will direct the jury to acquit.

From my take - I think NR probably certainly took advantage but did he rape her? - too many circumstances above that you've highlighted sway me into thinking that she probably went along with it all and then changed her mind later. I find her texts to him the next day which weren't accusatory? the most bizarre concept and which just might tip the balance in his favour. All that said of course he could be guilty and that's the nub in these cases only the two involved really know.
good response Malk and I agree with all of that
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: OTR just read your latest post and you've obviously been following the case more closely than me. You are right , having served on a jury for a rape case, the prosecution has to prove he did do it, and the jury have to decide and e I total/majority agreement. If they have any doubts or if Ranger genuinely believed she was consenting even if she actually wasn't because she didn't say she wasn't then reasonable doubt kicks in and the judge will direct the jury to acquit. From my take - I think NR probably certainly took advantage but did he rape her? - too many circumstances above that you've highlighted sway me into thinking that she probably went along with it all and then changed her mind later. I find her texts to him the next day which weren't accusatory? the most bizarre concept and which just might tip the balance in his favour. All that said of course he could be guilty and that's the nub in these cases only the two involved really know.[/p][/quote]good response Malk and I agree with all of that old town robin
  • Score: 1

12:38pm Tue 4 Mar 14

mrwoo says...

Those who have commented on Nile Rangers case, how STUPID are you?

It is contempt of court to make any comments re guilt not guilt and as such you could all be jailed! The trial is ongoing!!!

Adver will be well advised to remove the offending posts, although doing that would not stop anyone being prosecuted.
Those who have commented on Nile Rangers case, how STUPID are you? It is contempt of court to make any comments re guilt not guilt and as such you could all be jailed! The trial is ongoing!!! Adver will be well advised to remove the offending posts, although doing that would not stop anyone being prosecuted. mrwoo
  • Score: -10

1:17pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

mrwoo wrote:
Those who have commented on Nile Rangers case, how STUPID are you?

It is contempt of court to make any comments re guilt not guilt and as such you could all be jailed! The trial is ongoing!!!

Adver will be well advised to remove the offending posts, although doing that would not stop anyone being prosecuted.
Fair comment re the specifics of the case but I don't think there's any problem with discussing the procedure in general.
[quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: Those who have commented on Nile Rangers case, how STUPID are you? It is contempt of court to make any comments re guilt not guilt and as such you could all be jailed! The trial is ongoing!!! Adver will be well advised to remove the offending posts, although doing that would not stop anyone being prosecuted.[/p][/quote]Fair comment re the specifics of the case but I don't think there's any problem with discussing the procedure in general. Oi Den!
  • Score: 3

1:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

You have played him everywhere and his goal ratio don't lie.
Not good enough along with smith who also looks like a poor mans Wilma and that's saying something.
You have played him everywhere and his goal ratio don't lie. Not good enough along with smith who also looks like a poor mans Wilma and that's saying something. smirg kcab
  • Score: -7

4:04pm Tue 4 Mar 14

GiulianoGrazioli says...

mrwoo wrote:
Those who have commented on Nile Rangers case, how STUPID are you? It is contempt of court to make any comments re guilt not guilt and as such you could all be jailed! The trial is ongoing!!! Adver will be well advised to remove the offending posts, although doing that would not stop anyone being prosecuted.
Those involved in the case are specifically asked to not read any form of social media or news outlets which can persuade any such decision being made. So, in hindsight - how silly of you? woooooooo
[quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: Those who have commented on Nile Rangers case, how STUPID are you? It is contempt of court to make any comments re guilt not guilt and as such you could all be jailed! The trial is ongoing!!! Adver will be well advised to remove the offending posts, although doing that would not stop anyone being prosecuted.[/p][/quote]Those involved in the case are specifically asked to not read any form of social media or news outlets which can persuade any such decision being made. So, in hindsight - how silly of you? woooooooo GiulianoGrazioli
  • Score: 4

4:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Nial innocent at Crown Court. Good for him.
Nial innocent at Crown Court. Good for him. dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 11

4:34pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Davidsyrett says...

Nile's coming back!! COYR's
Nile's coming back!! COYR's Davidsyrett
  • Score: 13

4:34pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Di kanny oh says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Nial innocent at Crown Court. Good for him.
Wow luck boy must admit I personally thought it was looking bleak for the lad but big question now is can he keep out of trouble and concentrate on football. What a massive shame he is injured.
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Nial innocent at Crown Court. Good for him.[/p][/quote]Wow luck boy must admit I personally thought it was looking bleak for the lad but big question now is can he keep out of trouble and concentrate on football. What a massive shame he is injured. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 0

4:35pm Tue 4 Mar 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Not sure he'll come back to us but we can hope.....
Not sure he'll come back to us but we can hope..... dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: -5

4:37pm Tue 4 Mar 14

the don69 says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Nial innocent at Crown Court. Good for him.
Yep not guilty chaps! all I'll say is Power get him signed up and be quick about it! Tomorrow will do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Nial innocent at Crown Court. Good for him.[/p][/quote]Yep not guilty chaps! all I'll say is Power get him signed up and be quick about it! Tomorrow will do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! the don69
  • Score: 28

4:39pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Davidsyrett says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Not sure he'll come back to us but we can hope.....
Sam reports the club have an option of a second year.
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Not sure he'll come back to us but we can hope.....[/p][/quote]Sam reports the club have an option of a second year. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 12

4:55pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mrwoo wrote: Those who have commented on Nile Rangers case, how STUPID are you? It is contempt of court to make any comments re guilt not guilt and as such you could all be jailed! The trial is ongoing!!! Adver will be well advised to remove the offending posts, although doing that would not stop anyone being prosecuted.
Fair comment re the specifics of the case but I don't think there's any problem with discussing the procedure in general.
Indeed - not a great idea to discuss specifics of a case but speaking about the legal system in general, fine. Would also say it's unlikely anything I've read on here would constitute contempt of court, commenting sub judice isn't really appropriate but it's not like any of us are on the jury.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: Those who have commented on Nile Rangers case, how STUPID are you? It is contempt of court to make any comments re guilt not guilt and as such you could all be jailed! The trial is ongoing!!! Adver will be well advised to remove the offending posts, although doing that would not stop anyone being prosecuted.[/p][/quote]Fair comment re the specifics of the case but I don't think there's any problem with discussing the procedure in general.[/p][/quote]Indeed - not a great idea to discuss specifics of a case but speaking about the legal system in general, fine. Would also say it's unlikely anything I've read on here would constitute contempt of court, commenting sub judice isn't really appropriate but it's not like any of us are on the jury. Swindon1984
  • Score: -1

4:57pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Fernham Red says...

Great news about Nile, now we can all get back to the business of football again! I got a lot of grief on this forum for defending Nile and suggesting we should all have stood by our player and not taken the easy option of kicking a man while he was down. Just glad this sorry episode is now over.
Great news about Nile, now we can all get back to the business of football again! I got a lot of grief on this forum for defending Nile and suggesting we should all have stood by our player and not taken the easy option of kicking a man while he was down. Just glad this sorry episode is now over. Fernham Red
  • Score: 5

4:57pm Tue 4 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.
Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly. smirg kcab
  • Score: -8

5:03pm Tue 4 Mar 14

mike1990 says...

There's only one Nile Ranger best striker outside the premiership and better than a lot playing in it,will he be with us next season? I hope so.
There's only one Nile Ranger best striker outside the premiership and better than a lot playing in it,will he be with us next season? I hope so. mike1990
  • Score: 6

5:13pm Tue 4 Mar 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Davidsyrett thank you for that. I had no idea we had the option on him for another year. Half expect us to sell him if that's the case, but either way that's a brilliant bit of business for the club.

Hope he stays and plays......
Davidsyrett thank you for that. I had no idea we had the option on him for another year. Half expect us to sell him if that's the case, but either way that's a brilliant bit of business for the club. Hope he stays and plays...... dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 4

5:13pm Tue 4 Mar 14

LeGod says...

Great news on Ranger being cleared.
Great news on Ranger being cleared. LeGod
  • Score: 4

5:14pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Rebel_phish says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.
Always two sides of a coin.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.[/p][/quote]Always two sides of a coin. Rebel_phish
  • Score: 3

5:24pm Tue 4 Mar 14

alchafreds says...

no better than what we have send him back
no better than what we have send him back alchafreds
  • Score: -3

5:34pm Tue 4 Mar 14

London Red says...

Always said he would be cleared as soon as the case started - not sure how anyone on here thought he would go down if they actually followed the case
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I bet he gets no apology from the Sun or anyone else for what they printed!
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Power - get that extension activated immediately!
Always said he would be cleared as soon as the case started - not sure how anyone on here thought he would go down if they actually followed the case . I bet he gets no apology from the Sun or anyone else for what they printed! . Power - get that extension activated immediately! London Red
  • Score: 7

5:42pm Tue 4 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.
Always two sides of a coin.
Innocent untill proven guilty ?????
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.[/p][/quote]Always two sides of a coin.[/p][/quote]Innocent untill proven guilty ????? smirg kcab
  • Score: 2

5:54pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ellory says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.
"slag"? Your trolling attempts are usually childishly boring but you might have actually managed to be offensive with this one. Well done.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.[/p][/quote]"slag"? Your trolling attempts are usually childishly boring but you might have actually managed to be offensive with this one. Well done. ellory
  • Score: 1

5:58pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

Ranger not guilty BOOOOOOM, now lets sweepstake how many days will he remain on it for....
Ranger not guilty BOOOOOOM, now lets sweepstake how many days will he remain on it for.... Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: -3

6:02pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

mrwoo wrote:
Those who have commented on Nile Rangers case, how STUPID are you? It is contempt of court to make any comments re guilt not guilt and as such you could all be jailed! The trial is ongoing!!! Adver will be well advised to remove the offending posts, although doing that would not stop anyone being prosecuted.
well thats your fireworks peed on then, lock them all up delete their comments ra ra ra
[quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: Those who have commented on Nile Rangers case, how STUPID are you? It is contempt of court to make any comments re guilt not guilt and as such you could all be jailed! The trial is ongoing!!! Adver will be well advised to remove the offending posts, although doing that would not stop anyone being prosecuted.[/p][/quote]well thats your fireworks peed on then, lock them all up delete their comments ra ra ra Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: 0

6:13pm Tue 4 Mar 14

The Jockster says...

Fernham & all the others expressing euphoria over Ranger's acquittal please remember that he could still have done it and as so often happens in these type of cases proving it is another matter. However to be fair the lady's behaviour post alleged incident was strange and any contact via phone or face to face would be highly unlikely if she had been subjected to such an ordeal so acquittal was the only option for the jury.

I think it is just a shame that Ranger's past track record gas somewhat tarnished this episode but we will surely now see whether he still continues to strut around like a peacock displaying his usual brash arrogance or whether he will perhaps reflect on what has happened and be more contrite in his approach to life and the female gender. I sincerely hope it is the latter and hope that he will knuckle down and give of his best when wearing the red shirt until the end of the season because I fully expect him and his ego to move on in the summer.
Fernham & all the others expressing euphoria over Ranger's acquittal please remember that he could still have done it and as so often happens in these type of cases proving it is another matter. However to be fair the lady's behaviour post alleged incident was strange and any contact via phone or face to face would be highly unlikely if she had been subjected to such an ordeal so acquittal was the only option for the jury. I think it is just a shame that Ranger's past track record gas somewhat tarnished this episode but we will surely now see whether he still continues to strut around like a peacock displaying his usual brash arrogance or whether he will perhaps reflect on what has happened and be more contrite in his approach to life and the female gender. I sincerely hope it is the latter and hope that he will knuckle down and give of his best when wearing the red shirt until the end of the season because I fully expect him and his ego to move on in the summer. The Jockster
  • Score: -5

6:38pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

LeGod wrote:
Great news on Ranger being cleared.
It's certainly great news if he's innocent.
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Great news on Ranger being cleared.[/p][/quote]It's certainly great news if he's innocent. Oi Den!
  • Score: -7

6:51pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

Fernham Red wrote:
Great news about Nile, now we can all get back to the business of football again! I got a lot of grief on this forum for defending Nile and suggesting we should all have stood by our player and not taken the easy option of kicking a man while he was down. Just glad this sorry episode is now over.
Fernham, regardless of this trial, don't you think there's a question mark over whether Ranger will ever take the business of football seriously? My opinion of him is that he's a marvellous footballer but he's always likely to be bad news. I hope I'm wrong because he can be a real joy to watch.
[quote][p][bold]Fernham Red[/bold] wrote: Great news about Nile, now we can all get back to the business of football again! I got a lot of grief on this forum for defending Nile and suggesting we should all have stood by our player and not taken the easy option of kicking a man while he was down. Just glad this sorry episode is now over.[/p][/quote]Fernham, regardless of this trial, don't you think there's a question mark over whether Ranger will ever take the business of football seriously? My opinion of him is that he's a marvellous footballer but he's always likely to be bad news. I hope I'm wrong because he can be a real joy to watch. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Tue 4 Mar 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LeGod wrote:
Great news on Ranger being cleared.
It's certainly great news if he's innocent.
Court of Law says he is!
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Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system!
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Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out!
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As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Great news on Ranger being cleared.[/p][/quote]It's certainly great news if he's innocent.[/p][/quote]Court of Law says he is! . Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system! . Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out! . As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict London Red
  • Score: 9

7:18pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
LeGod wrote:
Great news on Ranger being cleared.
It's certainly great news if he's innocent.
Court of Law says he is!
.
Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system!
.
Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out!
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As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict
Innocence doesn't have to be proved. A jury can convict only if it finds the prosecution case is beyond reasonable doubt. There is often going to be reasonable doubt in rape cases, even where the accused is guilty, so it's very likely that more guilty men go free than innocent men are convicted. To be fair, I think that's probably the way it should be - but that won't be much consolation for any woman who's been raped and finds that her attacker gets off scot free.

I'm not saying Ranger's guilty but I am saying that juries do get it wrong, as has been proven many times in history. I'm glad I've never had the onerous responsibility of being on the jury in a rape trial.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Great news on Ranger being cleared.[/p][/quote]It's certainly great news if he's innocent.[/p][/quote]Court of Law says he is! . Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system! . Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out! . As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict[/p][/quote]Innocence doesn't have to be proved. A jury can convict only if it finds the prosecution case is beyond reasonable doubt. There is often going to be reasonable doubt in rape cases, even where the accused is guilty, so it's very likely that more guilty men go free than innocent men are convicted. To be fair, I think that's probably the way it should be - but that won't be much consolation for any woman who's been raped and finds that her attacker gets off scot free. I'm not saying Ranger's guilty but I am saying that juries do get it wrong, as has been proven many times in history. I'm glad I've never had the onerous responsibility of being on the jury in a rape trial. Oi Den!
  • Score: -7

7:18pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Swindon1984 says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
LeGod wrote:
Great news on Ranger being cleared.
It's certainly great news if he's innocent.
Court of Law says he is!
.
Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system!
.
Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out!
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As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict
With respect LR, I don't think anyone here is privy to all the facts and in a position to say whether proceedings should have been brought.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Great news on Ranger being cleared.[/p][/quote]It's certainly great news if he's innocent.[/p][/quote]Court of Law says he is! . Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system! . Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out! . As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict[/p][/quote]With respect LR, I don't think anyone here is privy to all the facts and in a position to say whether proceedings should have been brought. Swindon1984
  • Score: 3

7:20pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Wilesy says...

Like others say texting him the morning after was foolish, hence the reasonable doubt.

On another note I see season tickets are 10% off already so obviously not selling well.....

10% back to those that have renewed already by 1st May apparently...
Like others say texting him the morning after was foolish, hence the reasonable doubt. On another note I see season tickets are 10% off already so obviously not selling well..... 10% back to those that have renewed already by 1st May apparently... Wilesy
  • Score: 0

7:25pm Tue 4 Mar 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
LeGod wrote:
Great news on Ranger being cleared.
It's certainly great news if he's innocent.
Court of Law says he is!
.
Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system!
.
Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out!
.
As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict
Innocence doesn't have to be proved. A jury can convict only if it finds the prosecution case is beyond reasonable doubt. There is often going to be reasonable doubt in rape cases, even where the accused is guilty, so it's very likely that more guilty men go free than innocent men are convicted. To be fair, I think that's probably the way it should be - but that won't be much consolation for any woman who's been raped and finds that her attacker gets off scot free.

I'm not saying Ranger's guilty but I am saying that juries do get it wrong, as has been proven many times in history. I'm glad I've never had the onerous responsibility of being on the jury in a rape trial.
That's the legal system - and we all know they sometimes get it wrong both ways - thus people freed years later
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Nothing is perfect!
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It's just why is it always guilty until proven innocent now - and even then still doubts are raised?
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Had it been a guilty verdict - would you or anyone have posted "if he is guilty?"
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I suspect not.
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End of the day he has been tried - no decent case was put forward (still shocked some think there was one) and he has been cleared - so should now be treated as everyone else. - an innocent man!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Great news on Ranger being cleared.[/p][/quote]It's certainly great news if he's innocent.[/p][/quote]Court of Law says he is! . Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system! . Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out! . As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict[/p][/quote]Innocence doesn't have to be proved. A jury can convict only if it finds the prosecution case is beyond reasonable doubt. There is often going to be reasonable doubt in rape cases, even where the accused is guilty, so it's very likely that more guilty men go free than innocent men are convicted. To be fair, I think that's probably the way it should be - but that won't be much consolation for any woman who's been raped and finds that her attacker gets off scot free. I'm not saying Ranger's guilty but I am saying that juries do get it wrong, as has been proven many times in history. I'm glad I've never had the onerous responsibility of being on the jury in a rape trial.[/p][/quote]That's the legal system - and we all know they sometimes get it wrong both ways - thus people freed years later . Nothing is perfect! . It's just why is it always guilty until proven innocent now - and even then still doubts are raised? . Had it been a guilty verdict - would you or anyone have posted "if he is guilty?" . I suspect not. . End of the day he has been tried - no decent case was put forward (still shocked some think there was one) and he has been cleared - so should now be treated as everyone else. - an innocent man! London Red
  • Score: 6

7:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

swindon10 says...

She said YES Ranger she said YES, now stay with the team that were loyal to you. WE SAID YES RANGER WE SAID YES. COYRs
She said YES Ranger she said YES, now stay with the team that were loyal to you. WE SAID YES RANGER WE SAID YES. COYRs swindon10
  • Score: 0

7:29pm Tue 4 Mar 14

CraftyPig says...

I can't see Ranger staying for next season. I'm not sure he wants to and I imagine that the club will look to cash in on him. Maybe for the best though, you can't deny his talent but unfortunately I don't believe we will see him change his ways.

If Clarke went for £750k though, what is Ranger worth?
I can't see Ranger staying for next season. I'm not sure he wants to and I imagine that the club will look to cash in on him. Maybe for the best though, you can't deny his talent but unfortunately I don't believe we will see him change his ways. If Clarke went for £750k though, what is Ranger worth? CraftyPig
  • Score: 4

7:30pm Tue 4 Mar 14

London Red says...

swindon10 wrote:
She said YES Ranger she said YES, now stay with the team that were loyal to you. WE SAID YES RANGER WE SAID YES. COYRs
His statement on Twitter (can see it via Sam) has a thank you to the club for giving him a chance when he needed it
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We have the option so we either have a great player next year or a Flint situation where we can make some decent money
[quote][p][bold]swindon10[/bold] wrote: She said YES Ranger she said YES, now stay with the team that were loyal to you. WE SAID YES RANGER WE SAID YES. COYRs[/p][/quote]His statement on Twitter (can see it via Sam) has a thank you to the club for giving him a chance when he needed it . We have the option so we either have a great player next year or a Flint situation where we can make some decent money London Red
  • Score: 2

7:32pm Tue 4 Mar 14

swindon10 says...

Sorry London
don't do twitter
Sorry London don't do twitter swindon10
  • Score: 0

7:34pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Swindon1984 says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.
Perfect example of why you get the minuses - as you oft complain of people doing so and not replying, I'll do you the courtesy of responding to what you've written. Grim, you're often a wind up merchant, but the above was totally out of line. Flippant remarks may in your opinion do no harm but think first eh? I'm sure you're not a fool, just someone who says incredibly foolish things on occasion. Things aren't always black and white. Think I'm wasting my breath though, you can say what you like. Just don't be surprised if people think less of you because of it.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.[/p][/quote]Perfect example of why you get the minuses - as you oft complain of people doing so and not replying, I'll do you the courtesy of responding to what you've written. Grim, you're often a wind up merchant, but the above was totally out of line. Flippant remarks may in your opinion do no harm but think first eh? I'm sure you're not a fool, just someone who says incredibly foolish things on occasion. Things aren't always black and white. Think I'm wasting my breath though, you can say what you like. Just don't be surprised if people think less of you because of it. Swindon1984
  • Score: 12

7:42pm Tue 4 Mar 14

London Red says...

swindon10 wrote:
Sorry London
don't do twitter
Now on Vital - can be found via newsnow
[quote][p][bold]swindon10[/bold] wrote: Sorry London don't do twitter[/p][/quote]Now on Vital - can be found via newsnow London Red
  • Score: 1

7:43pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
LeGod wrote:
Great news on Ranger being cleared.
It's certainly great news if he's innocent.
Court of Law says he is!
.
Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system!
.
Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out!
.
As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict
Innocence doesn't have to be proved. A jury can convict only if it finds the prosecution case is beyond reasonable doubt. There is often going to be reasonable doubt in rape cases, even where the accused is guilty, so it's very likely that more guilty men go free than innocent men are convicted. To be fair, I think that's probably the way it should be - but that won't be much consolation for any woman who's been raped and finds that her attacker gets off scot free.

I'm not saying Ranger's guilty but I am saying that juries do get it wrong, as has been proven many times in history. I'm glad I've never had the onerous responsibility of being on the jury in a rape trial.
That's the legal system - and we all know they sometimes get it wrong both ways - thus people freed years later
.
Nothing is perfect!
.
It's just why is it always guilty until proven innocent now - and even then still doubts are raised?
.
Had it been a guilty verdict - would you or anyone have posted "if he is guilty?"
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I suspect not.
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End of the day he has been tried - no decent case was put forward (still shocked some think there was one) and he has been cleared - so should now be treated as everyone else. - an innocent man!
You can suspect what you like LR but yes, whatever the verdict in this case I would not have been 100% convinced that it was correct - and I would have said so on here. It's not a question of siding for or against Ranger. It's a matter of recognising the uncertainties. I don't see see how it's possible for anyone to be certain, especially if they were not sitting in court throughout the trial.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Great news on Ranger being cleared.[/p][/quote]It's certainly great news if he's innocent.[/p][/quote]Court of Law says he is! . Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system! . Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out! . As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict[/p][/quote]Innocence doesn't have to be proved. A jury can convict only if it finds the prosecution case is beyond reasonable doubt. There is often going to be reasonable doubt in rape cases, even where the accused is guilty, so it's very likely that more guilty men go free than innocent men are convicted. To be fair, I think that's probably the way it should be - but that won't be much consolation for any woman who's been raped and finds that her attacker gets off scot free. I'm not saying Ranger's guilty but I am saying that juries do get it wrong, as has been proven many times in history. I'm glad I've never had the onerous responsibility of being on the jury in a rape trial.[/p][/quote]That's the legal system - and we all know they sometimes get it wrong both ways - thus people freed years later . Nothing is perfect! . It's just why is it always guilty until proven innocent now - and even then still doubts are raised? . Had it been a guilty verdict - would you or anyone have posted "if he is guilty?" . I suspect not. . End of the day he has been tried - no decent case was put forward (still shocked some think there was one) and he has been cleared - so should now be treated as everyone else. - an innocent man![/p][/quote]You can suspect what you like LR but yes, whatever the verdict in this case I would not have been 100% convinced that it was correct - and I would have said so on here. It's not a question of siding for or against Ranger. It's a matter of recognising the uncertainties. I don't see see how it's possible for anyone to be certain, especially if they were not sitting in court throughout the trial. Oi Den!
  • Score: -21

7:49pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ciclosporindorset says...

Try to be happy for the guy FFS he was found not guilty. A few on here I wager never spoken to the young man yet are happy to assassinate him despite the verdict. Stop being such miseries.
Try to be happy for the guy FFS he was found not guilty. A few on here I wager never spoken to the young man yet are happy to assassinate him despite the verdict. Stop being such miseries. ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 4

7:52pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ciclosporindorset says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
LeGod wrote:
Great news on Ranger being cleared.
It's certainly great news if he's innocent.
Court of Law says he is!
.
Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system!
.
Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out!
.
As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict
Innocence doesn't have to be proved. A jury can convict only if it finds the prosecution case is beyond reasonable doubt. There is often going to be reasonable doubt in rape cases, even where the accused is guilty, so it's very likely that more guilty men go free than innocent men are convicted. To be fair, I think that's probably the way it should be - but that won't be much consolation for any woman who's been raped and finds that her attacker gets off scot free.

I'm not saying Ranger's guilty but I am saying that juries do get it wrong, as has been proven many times in history. I'm glad I've never had the onerous responsibility of being on the jury in a rape trial.
That's the legal system - and we all know they sometimes get it wrong both ways - thus people freed years later
.
Nothing is perfect!
.
It's just why is it always guilty until proven innocent now - and even then still doubts are raised?
.
Had it been a guilty verdict - would you or anyone have posted "if he is guilty?"
.
I suspect not.
.
End of the day he has been tried - no decent case was put forward (still shocked some think there was one) and he has been cleared - so should now be treated as everyone else. - an innocent man!
You can suspect what you like LR but yes, whatever the verdict in this case I would not have been 100% convinced that it was correct - and I would have said so on here. It's not a question of siding for or against Ranger. It's a matter of recognising the uncertainties. I don't see see how it's possible for anyone to be certain, especially if they were not sitting in court throughout the trial.
Thank god you weren't on the jury.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Great news on Ranger being cleared.[/p][/quote]It's certainly great news if he's innocent.[/p][/quote]Court of Law says he is! . Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system! . Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out! . As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict[/p][/quote]Innocence doesn't have to be proved. A jury can convict only if it finds the prosecution case is beyond reasonable doubt. There is often going to be reasonable doubt in rape cases, even where the accused is guilty, so it's very likely that more guilty men go free than innocent men are convicted. To be fair, I think that's probably the way it should be - but that won't be much consolation for any woman who's been raped and finds that her attacker gets off scot free. I'm not saying Ranger's guilty but I am saying that juries do get it wrong, as has been proven many times in history. I'm glad I've never had the onerous responsibility of being on the jury in a rape trial.[/p][/quote]That's the legal system - and we all know they sometimes get it wrong both ways - thus people freed years later . Nothing is perfect! . It's just why is it always guilty until proven innocent now - and even then still doubts are raised? . Had it been a guilty verdict - would you or anyone have posted "if he is guilty?" . I suspect not. . End of the day he has been tried - no decent case was put forward (still shocked some think there was one) and he has been cleared - so should now be treated as everyone else. - an innocent man![/p][/quote]You can suspect what you like LR but yes, whatever the verdict in this case I would not have been 100% convinced that it was correct - and I would have said so on here. It's not a question of siding for or against Ranger. It's a matter of recognising the uncertainties. I don't see see how it's possible for anyone to be certain, especially if they were not sitting in court throughout the trial.[/p][/quote]Thank god you weren't on the jury. ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 10

7:55pm Tue 4 Mar 14

The Jockster says...

Den, as I think you probably know already my one and only experience of jury service concerned a rape case.
As in this instance we found, or had to find, based on the available evidence which was basically a)' a word against b), the accused not guilty. Interestingly as with the female on this occasion there were inconsistencies with the testimony regarding the act and there were seven women on the jury that concurred that certain things mentioned from her perspective could not have happened otherwise she would have known, therefore reasonable doubt applied.

Afterwards the male's mother approached us and said thank you for finding him innocent - to which we replied that the verdict didn't mean he didn't do it only that we couldn't prove it.

I think you're probably right that guilty men go free on occasions but then the reverse is also true sometimes and perhaps why there are so few convictions is that like the two examples above the female cries wolf after the event due to a "regret" complex post event which then leads to a rape accusation. Just my thoughts.
Den, as I think you probably know already my one and only experience of jury service concerned a rape case. As in this instance we found, or had to find, based on the available evidence which was basically a)' a word against b), the accused not guilty. Interestingly as with the female on this occasion there were inconsistencies with the testimony regarding the act and there were seven women on the jury that concurred that certain things mentioned from her perspective could not have happened otherwise she would have known, therefore reasonable doubt applied. Afterwards the male's mother approached us and said thank you for finding him innocent - to which we replied that the verdict didn't mean he didn't do it only that we couldn't prove it. I think you're probably right that guilty men go free on occasions but then the reverse is also true sometimes and perhaps why there are so few convictions is that like the two examples above the female cries wolf after the event due to a "regret" complex post event which then leads to a rape accusation. Just my thoughts. The Jockster
  • Score: 1

7:56pm Tue 4 Mar 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
LeGod wrote:
Great news on Ranger being cleared.
It's certainly great news if he's innocent.
Court of Law says he is!
.
Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system!
.
Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out!
.
As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict
Innocence doesn't have to be proved. A jury can convict only if it finds the prosecution case is beyond reasonable doubt. There is often going to be reasonable doubt in rape cases, even where the accused is guilty, so it's very likely that more guilty men go free than innocent men are convicted. To be fair, I think that's probably the way it should be - but that won't be much consolation for any woman who's been raped and finds that her attacker gets off scot free.

I'm not saying Ranger's guilty but I am saying that juries do get it wrong, as has been proven many times in history. I'm glad I've never had the onerous responsibility of being on the jury in a rape trial.
That's the legal system - and we all know they sometimes get it wrong both ways - thus people freed years later
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Nothing is perfect!
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It's just why is it always guilty until proven innocent now - and even then still doubts are raised?
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Had it been a guilty verdict - would you or anyone have posted "if he is guilty?"
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I suspect not.
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End of the day he has been tried - no decent case was put forward (still shocked some think there was one) and he has been cleared - so should now be treated as everyone else. - an innocent man!
You can suspect what you like LR but yes, whatever the verdict in this case I would not have been 100% convinced that it was correct - and I would have said so on here. It's not a question of siding for or against Ranger. It's a matter of recognising the uncertainties. I don't see see how it's possible for anyone to be certain, especially if they were not sitting in court throughout the trial.
Only 2 things are certain - death and tax!
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You have to have faith in your legal system - especially in a country like England!
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They found him not guilty - so I just think that he should be treated as that and not treated as he "got away with it" for the rest of his life
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I wasn't there but followed it on Chronicle Live and read lots of reports on each day and from day 2 as soon as she was cross examined I was convinced he was going to be found not guilty
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I just felt the case was based on who he was and not what he did - then her actions made it impossible to convict
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Great news on Ranger being cleared.[/p][/quote]It's certainly great news if he's innocent.[/p][/quote]Court of Law says he is! . Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system! . Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out! . As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict[/p][/quote]Innocence doesn't have to be proved. A jury can convict only if it finds the prosecution case is beyond reasonable doubt. There is often going to be reasonable doubt in rape cases, even where the accused is guilty, so it's very likely that more guilty men go free than innocent men are convicted. To be fair, I think that's probably the way it should be - but that won't be much consolation for any woman who's been raped and finds that her attacker gets off scot free. I'm not saying Ranger's guilty but I am saying that juries do get it wrong, as has been proven many times in history. I'm glad I've never had the onerous responsibility of being on the jury in a rape trial.[/p][/quote]That's the legal system - and we all know they sometimes get it wrong both ways - thus people freed years later . Nothing is perfect! . It's just why is it always guilty until proven innocent now - and even then still doubts are raised? . Had it been a guilty verdict - would you or anyone have posted "if he is guilty?" . I suspect not. . End of the day he has been tried - no decent case was put forward (still shocked some think there was one) and he has been cleared - so should now be treated as everyone else. - an innocent man![/p][/quote]You can suspect what you like LR but yes, whatever the verdict in this case I would not have been 100% convinced that it was correct - and I would have said so on here. It's not a question of siding for or against Ranger. It's a matter of recognising the uncertainties. I don't see see how it's possible for anyone to be certain, especially if they were not sitting in court throughout the trial.[/p][/quote]Only 2 things are certain - death and tax! . You have to have faith in your legal system - especially in a country like England! . They found him not guilty - so I just think that he should be treated as that and not treated as he "got away with it" for the rest of his life . I wasn't there but followed it on Chronicle Live and read lots of reports on each day and from day 2 as soon as she was cross examined I was convinced he was going to be found not guilty . I just felt the case was based on who he was and not what he did - then her actions made it impossible to convict London Red
  • Score: 6

8:01pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

ciclosporindorset wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
LeGod wrote:
Great news on Ranger being cleared.
It's certainly great news if he's innocent.
Court of Law says he is!
.
Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system!
.
Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out!
.
As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict
Innocence doesn't have to be proved. A jury can convict only if it finds the prosecution case is beyond reasonable doubt. There is often going to be reasonable doubt in rape cases, even where the accused is guilty, so it's very likely that more guilty men go free than innocent men are convicted. To be fair, I think that's probably the way it should be - but that won't be much consolation for any woman who's been raped and finds that her attacker gets off scot free.

I'm not saying Ranger's guilty but I am saying that juries do get it wrong, as has been proven many times in history. I'm glad I've never had the onerous responsibility of being on the jury in a rape trial.
That's the legal system - and we all know they sometimes get it wrong both ways - thus people freed years later
.
Nothing is perfect!
.
It's just why is it always guilty until proven innocent now - and even then still doubts are raised?
.
Had it been a guilty verdict - would you or anyone have posted "if he is guilty?"
.
I suspect not.
.
End of the day he has been tried - no decent case was put forward (still shocked some think there was one) and he has been cleared - so should now be treated as everyone else. - an innocent man!
You can suspect what you like LR but yes, whatever the verdict in this case I would not have been 100% convinced that it was correct - and I would have said so on here. It's not a question of siding for or against Ranger. It's a matter of recognising the uncertainties. I don't see see how it's possible for anyone to be certain, especially if they were not sitting in court throughout the trial.
Thank god you weren't on the jury.
That's what I said. But what gives you the right or reason to say it?
[quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Great news on Ranger being cleared.[/p][/quote]It's certainly great news if he's innocent.[/p][/quote]Court of Law says he is! . Have to take it as that otherwise every court decision ever made has to be questioned - which questions the whole legal system! . Girl had no case and I'm surprised it ever got to court. As soon as the text the next day were seen by the prosecution they should have thrown it out! . As soon as that came out as Jock said the jury only ever had one verdict[/p][/quote]Innocence doesn't have to be proved. A jury can convict only if it finds the prosecution case is beyond reasonable doubt. There is often going to be reasonable doubt in rape cases, even where the accused is guilty, so it's very likely that more guilty men go free than innocent men are convicted. To be fair, I think that's probably the way it should be - but that won't be much consolation for any woman who's been raped and finds that her attacker gets off scot free. I'm not saying Ranger's guilty but I am saying that juries do get it wrong, as has been proven many times in history. I'm glad I've never had the onerous responsibility of being on the jury in a rape trial.[/p][/quote]That's the legal system - and we all know they sometimes get it wrong both ways - thus people freed years later . Nothing is perfect! . It's just why is it always guilty until proven innocent now - and even then still doubts are raised? . Had it been a guilty verdict - would you or anyone have posted "if he is guilty?" . I suspect not. . End of the day he has been tried - no decent case was put forward (still shocked some think there was one) and he has been cleared - so should now be treated as everyone else. - an innocent man![/p][/quote]You can suspect what you like LR but yes, whatever the verdict in this case I would not have been 100% convinced that it was correct - and I would have said so on here. It's not a question of siding for or against Ranger. It's a matter of recognising the uncertainties. I don't see see how it's possible for anyone to be certain, especially if they were not sitting in court throughout the trial.[/p][/quote]Thank god you weren't on the jury.[/p][/quote]That's what I said. But what gives you the right or reason to say it? Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

8:09pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

The Jockster wrote:
Den, as I think you probably know already my one and only experience of jury service concerned a rape case.
As in this instance we found, or had to find, based on the available evidence which was basically a)' a word against b), the accused not guilty. Interestingly as with the female on this occasion there were inconsistencies with the testimony regarding the act and there were seven women on the jury that concurred that certain things mentioned from her perspective could not have happened otherwise she would have known, therefore reasonable doubt applied.

Afterwards the male's mother approached us and said thank you for finding him innocent - to which we replied that the verdict didn't mean he didn't do it only that we couldn't prove it.

I think you're probably right that guilty men go free on occasions but then the reverse is also true sometimes and perhaps why there are so few convictions is that like the two examples above the female cries wolf after the event due to a "regret" complex post event which then leads to a rape accusation. Just my thoughts.
Very well put. For the benefit of LR and ciclo, from what I've read I think I may well have come to the same conclusion as the jury. So ciclo can take his insults and stick them as far as possible where the sun is never to be seen.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Den, as I think you probably know already my one and only experience of jury service concerned a rape case. As in this instance we found, or had to find, based on the available evidence which was basically a)' a word against b), the accused not guilty. Interestingly as with the female on this occasion there were inconsistencies with the testimony regarding the act and there were seven women on the jury that concurred that certain things mentioned from her perspective could not have happened otherwise she would have known, therefore reasonable doubt applied. Afterwards the male's mother approached us and said thank you for finding him innocent - to which we replied that the verdict didn't mean he didn't do it only that we couldn't prove it. I think you're probably right that guilty men go free on occasions but then the reverse is also true sometimes and perhaps why there are so few convictions is that like the two examples above the female cries wolf after the event due to a "regret" complex post event which then leads to a rape accusation. Just my thoughts.[/p][/quote]Very well put. For the benefit of LR and ciclo, from what I've read I think I may well have come to the same conclusion as the jury. So ciclo can take his insults and stick them as far as possible where the sun is never to be seen. Oi Den!
  • Score: -3

8:43pm Tue 4 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.
Perfect example of why you get the minuses - as you oft complain of people doing so and not replying, I'll do you the courtesy of responding to what you've written. Grim, you're often a wind up merchant, but the above was totally out of line. Flippant remarks may in your opinion do no harm but think first eh? I'm sure you're not a fool, just someone who says incredibly foolish things on occasion. Things aren't always black and white. Think I'm wasting my breath though, you can say what you like. Just don't be surprised if people think less of you because of it.
Flippant remark ?So you enjoy paying tax for this case then?
Just because you wanted him found guilty, like lots more know all
On here, and crucified him before he even went to court.
Glad he's innocent and like London red said it was a no brainer.
Still yes you have wasted your breath.
A great player and role model, shame he's injured.make him manager
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.[/p][/quote]Perfect example of why you get the minuses - as you oft complain of people doing so and not replying, I'll do you the courtesy of responding to what you've written. Grim, you're often a wind up merchant, but the above was totally out of line. Flippant remarks may in your opinion do no harm but think first eh? I'm sure you're not a fool, just someone who says incredibly foolish things on occasion. Things aren't always black and white. Think I'm wasting my breath though, you can say what you like. Just don't be surprised if people think less of you because of it.[/p][/quote]Flippant remark ?So you enjoy paying tax for this case then? Just because you wanted him found guilty, like lots more know all On here, and crucified him before he even went to court. Glad he's innocent and like London red said it was a no brainer. Still yes you have wasted your breath. A great player and role model, shame he's injured.make him manager smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

8:44pm Tue 4 Mar 14

the don69 says...

Nile's saying the Sun needs suing calling him Nile Ripper and making him look like a monster! they really are a scum-bag rag,don't think they will ever change, wonder if Brookes and Coulson will get Banged up for their crimes? they just seem to write what they like,reqardless if it's true or not. as for him staying if Power does a deal I think he will,but of course if he does the business next season and BEHAVES the offers will be coming in and we'll make some dosh!!!!!!!!!!
Nile's saying the Sun needs suing calling him Nile Ripper and making him look like a monster! they really are a scum-bag rag,don't think they will ever change, wonder if Brookes and Coulson will get Banged up for their crimes? they just seem to write what they like,reqardless if it's true or not. as for him staying if Power does a deal I think he will,but of course if he does the business next season and BEHAVES the offers will be coming in and we'll make some dosh!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 4

8:54pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Wilesy says...

the don69 wrote:
Nile's saying the Sun needs suing calling him Nile Ripper and making him look like a monster! they really are a scum-bag rag,don't think they will ever change, wonder if Brookes and Coulson will get Banged up for their crimes? they just seem to write what they like,reqardless if it's true or not. as for him staying if Power does a deal I think he will,but of course if he does the business next season and BEHAVES the offers will be coming in and we'll make some dosh!!!!!!!!!!
Thought those were the words of the woman involved.

Suggest Nile just lies low now rather than taking on the Sun, or they'll be on his back until they get a story.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Nile's saying the Sun needs suing calling him Nile Ripper and making him look like a monster! they really are a scum-bag rag,don't think they will ever change, wonder if Brookes and Coulson will get Banged up for their crimes? they just seem to write what they like,reqardless if it's true or not. as for him staying if Power does a deal I think he will,but of course if he does the business next season and BEHAVES the offers will be coming in and we'll make some dosh!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Thought those were the words of the woman involved. Suggest Nile just lies low now rather than taking on the Sun, or they'll be on his back until they get a story. Wilesy
  • Score: 2

9:20pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oxon-Red says...

The Jockster wrote:
Den, as I think you probably know already my one and only experience of jury service concerned a rape case.
As in this instance we found, or had to find, based on the available evidence which was basically a)' a word against b), the accused not guilty. Interestingly as with the female on this occasion there were inconsistencies with the testimony regarding the act and there were seven women on the jury that concurred that certain things mentioned from her perspective could not have happened otherwise she would have known, therefore reasonable doubt applied.

Afterwards the male's mother approached us and said thank you for finding him innocent - to which we replied that the verdict didn't mean he didn't do it only that we couldn't prove it.

I think you're probably right that guilty men go free on occasions but then the reverse is also true sometimes and perhaps why there are so few convictions is that like the two examples above the female cries wolf after the event due to a "regret" complex post event which then leads to a rape accusation. Just my thoughts.
Jockster,

Think I posted before that these are difficult cases and in some only the accused and the accuser actually know the whole truth. I do however have problem with accusations because mud sticks.

I don't want to stop women bringing cases but I believe that in these cases the accused should receive the same anonymity as the accuser. Nile has been found innocent and we should accept that but there will be some (and they will probably post) that will still say he is guilty.

Not saying he is innocent or guilty (he knows and so does she) but he has been found innocent. We know his identity but not hers, is this right ? If she has wrongly accused then maybe we should know who she is or would it be better to not know who either person is ?

On the question of STFC and Nile it has been a difficult but good gamble. He has definitely enhanced the team and we now have a premiership quality striker on our books, albeit an injured one. Lee will take up the year extension (he would be barking not to) and we will either have a quality striker next season or a decent sum to help build the squad. He does have a reputation and he has pushed boundaries here at times but from what I have seen you cannot question his commitment and his cool head has to be admired. Quality Striker or several million with no sell on to pay (?) IMO would love to watch him for another season but feel we may need the money more.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Den, as I think you probably know already my one and only experience of jury service concerned a rape case. As in this instance we found, or had to find, based on the available evidence which was basically a)' a word against b), the accused not guilty. Interestingly as with the female on this occasion there were inconsistencies with the testimony regarding the act and there were seven women on the jury that concurred that certain things mentioned from her perspective could not have happened otherwise she would have known, therefore reasonable doubt applied. Afterwards the male's mother approached us and said thank you for finding him innocent - to which we replied that the verdict didn't mean he didn't do it only that we couldn't prove it. I think you're probably right that guilty men go free on occasions but then the reverse is also true sometimes and perhaps why there are so few convictions is that like the two examples above the female cries wolf after the event due to a "regret" complex post event which then leads to a rape accusation. Just my thoughts.[/p][/quote]Jockster, Think I posted before that these are difficult cases and in some only the accused and the accuser actually know the whole truth. I do however have problem with accusations because mud sticks. I don't want to stop women bringing cases but I believe that in these cases the accused should receive the same anonymity as the accuser. Nile has been found innocent and we should accept that but there will be some (and they will probably post) that will still say he is guilty. Not saying he is innocent or guilty (he knows and so does she) but he has been found innocent. We know his identity but not hers, is this right ? If she has wrongly accused then maybe we should know who she is or would it be better to not know who either person is ? On the question of STFC and Nile it has been a difficult but good gamble. He has definitely enhanced the team and we now have a premiership quality striker on our books, albeit an injured one. Lee will take up the year extension (he would be barking not to) and we will either have a quality striker next season or a decent sum to help build the squad. He does have a reputation and he has pushed boundaries here at times but from what I have seen you cannot question his commitment and his cool head has to be admired. Quality Striker or several million with no sell on to pay (?) IMO would love to watch him for another season but feel we may need the money more. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 2

9:24pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Den, as I think you probably know already my one and only experience of jury service concerned a rape case.
As in this instance we found, or had to find, based on the available evidence which was basically a)' a word against b), the accused not guilty. Interestingly as with the female on this occasion there were inconsistencies with the testimony regarding the act and there were seven women on the jury that concurred that certain things mentioned from her perspective could not have happened otherwise she would have known, therefore reasonable doubt applied.

Afterwards the male's mother approached us and said thank you for finding him innocent - to which we replied that the verdict didn't mean he didn't do it only that we couldn't prove it.

I think you're probably right that guilty men go free on occasions but then the reverse is also true sometimes and perhaps why there are so few convictions is that like the two examples above the female cries wolf after the event due to a "regret" complex post event which then leads to a rape accusation. Just my thoughts.
Very well put. For the benefit of LR and ciclo, from what I've read I think I may well have come to the same conclusion as the jury. So ciclo can take his insults and stick them as far as possible where the sun is never to be seen.
Den,

Following your recent trip, I hope they didn't search where the sun doesn't shine :-)

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Den, as I think you probably know already my one and only experience of jury service concerned a rape case. As in this instance we found, or had to find, based on the available evidence which was basically a)' a word against b), the accused not guilty. Interestingly as with the female on this occasion there were inconsistencies with the testimony regarding the act and there were seven women on the jury that concurred that certain things mentioned from her perspective could not have happened otherwise she would have known, therefore reasonable doubt applied. Afterwards the male's mother approached us and said thank you for finding him innocent - to which we replied that the verdict didn't mean he didn't do it only that we couldn't prove it. I think you're probably right that guilty men go free on occasions but then the reverse is also true sometimes and perhaps why there are so few convictions is that like the two examples above the female cries wolf after the event due to a "regret" complex post event which then leads to a rape accusation. Just my thoughts.[/p][/quote]Very well put. For the benefit of LR and ciclo, from what I've read I think I may well have come to the same conclusion as the jury. So ciclo can take his insults and stick them as far as possible where the sun is never to be seen.[/p][/quote]Den, Following your recent trip, I hope they didn't search where the sun doesn't shine :-) COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 2

9:44pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

Haha! No Oxon - I was spared that indignity.

On the subject of Ranger's value, will it really be that high? We were the only club prepared to take him on for nothing, so who is going to be happy to part with significant dosh for him? OK, the court case is now history but he has disrespected every club that's employed him. Surely he will have to demonstrate that he wants to be a proper professional before any club will take the financial gamble?

In terms of talent, the sky's the limit. It takes a combination of that and commitment to make a truly valuable player.
Haha! No Oxon - I was spared that indignity. On the subject of Ranger's value, will it really be that high? We were the only club prepared to take him on for nothing, so who is going to be happy to part with significant dosh for him? OK, the court case is now history but he has disrespected every club that's employed him. Surely he will have to demonstrate that he wants to be a proper professional before any club will take the financial gamble? In terms of talent, the sky's the limit. It takes a combination of that and commitment to make a truly valuable player. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

9:47pm Tue 4 Mar 14

the wizard says...

The thing is, you can go along to the CG and watch a game and forma level opinion of what you have seen. That said, you then go home and read the match summary report, and think, its not the game I've just seen. Well the same goes for the reports of court cases in newspapers as well. Unless you are there in the public gallery you do not get the full facts.

Good odds now that Ranger will be back soon, his Injury no doubt will heal quicker now the weight of this lot and a lot of stress all lifted. Lets hope he doesn't go overboard with his celebrations this evening.
The thing is, you can go along to the CG and watch a game and forma level opinion of what you have seen. That said, you then go home and read the match summary report, and think, its not the game I've just seen. Well the same goes for the reports of court cases in newspapers as well. Unless you are there in the public gallery you do not get the full facts. Good odds now that Ranger will be back soon, his Injury no doubt will heal quicker now the weight of this lot and a lot of stress all lifted. Lets hope he doesn't go overboard with his celebrations this evening. the wizard
  • Score: 3

9:51pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Dover Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.
you are such a window licking **** .
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.[/p][/quote]you are such a window licking **** . Dover Red
  • Score: 2

9:55pm Tue 4 Mar 14

tifosi says...

the wizard wrote:
The thing is, you can go along to the CG and watch a game and forma level opinion of what you have seen. That said, you then go home and read the match summary report, and think, its not the game I've just seen. Well the same goes for the reports of court cases in newspapers as well. Unless you are there in the public gallery you do not get the full facts.

Good odds now that Ranger will be back soon, his Injury no doubt will heal quicker now the weight of this lot and a lot of stress all lifted. Lets hope he doesn't go overboard with his celebrations this evening.
Quite so. And it may not just be this evening we need to think about. Playing for Town may be way down on his list of 'must do'. Who knows what Nile Ranger can get up to from now on.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: The thing is, you can go along to the CG and watch a game and forma level opinion of what you have seen. That said, you then go home and read the match summary report, and think, its not the game I've just seen. Well the same goes for the reports of court cases in newspapers as well. Unless you are there in the public gallery you do not get the full facts. Good odds now that Ranger will be back soon, his Injury no doubt will heal quicker now the weight of this lot and a lot of stress all lifted. Lets hope he doesn't go overboard with his celebrations this evening.[/p][/quote]Quite so. And it may not just be this evening we need to think about. Playing for Town may be way down on his list of 'must do'. Who knows what Nile Ranger can get up to from now on. tifosi
  • Score: 0

10:10pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Dover Red says...

Guilty or not, he put himself in this position to be judged, will he learn that footballers will always be seen as fair game by certain people ? he doesn't seem to be the sort of guy who is happy to cuddle up on the sofa with wife/girlfriend and watch the box, so I guess we will see more photos and reports of late night excesses, A massive wake up call for him, not sure it will be heeded.
Guilty or not, he put himself in this position to be judged, will he learn that footballers will always be seen as fair game by certain people ? he doesn't seem to be the sort of guy who is happy to cuddle up on the sofa with wife/girlfriend and watch the box, so I guess we will see more photos and reports of late night excesses, A massive wake up call for him, not sure it will be heeded. Dover Red
  • Score: 3

10:23pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Haha! No Oxon - I was spared that indignity.

On the subject of Ranger's value, will it really be that high? We were the only club prepared to take him on for nothing, so who is going to be happy to part with significant dosh for him? OK, the court case is now history but he has disrespected every club that's employed him. Surely he will have to demonstrate that he wants to be a proper professional before any club will take the financial gamble?

In terms of talent, the sky's the limit. It takes a combination of that and commitment to make a truly valuable player.
Hi Den,

Glad to hear you are not walking strangely !

Ranger's value is an interesting one. When we took him on the court case loomed and if found guilty no player from now on. Now he has been found innocent that court case is no longer an issue.

He has proved difficult but how much of that was overplayed for a headline. He does seem to have "chilled" and his attitude on the pitch, IMO, is fantastic and the young lads who have picked up needless bookings could actually learn from him. Given the doubts over the trial are gone, his value, especially given his age, has to be quite high.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Haha! No Oxon - I was spared that indignity. On the subject of Ranger's value, will it really be that high? We were the only club prepared to take him on for nothing, so who is going to be happy to part with significant dosh for him? OK, the court case is now history but he has disrespected every club that's employed him. Surely he will have to demonstrate that he wants to be a proper professional before any club will take the financial gamble? In terms of talent, the sky's the limit. It takes a combination of that and commitment to make a truly valuable player.[/p][/quote]Hi Den, Glad to hear you are not walking strangely ! Ranger's value is an interesting one. When we took him on the court case loomed and if found guilty no player from now on. Now he has been found innocent that court case is no longer an issue. He has proved difficult but how much of that was overplayed for a headline. He does seem to have "chilled" and his attitude on the pitch, IMO, is fantastic and the young lads who have picked up needless bookings could actually learn from him. Given the doubts over the trial are gone, his value, especially given his age, has to be quite high. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 3

10:35pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Wilesy says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Haha! No Oxon - I was spared that indignity.

On the subject of Ranger's value, will it really be that high? We were the only club prepared to take him on for nothing, so who is going to be happy to part with significant dosh for him? OK, the court case is now history but he has disrespected every club that's employed him. Surely he will have to demonstrate that he wants to be a proper professional before any club will take the financial gamble?

In terms of talent, the sky's the limit. It takes a combination of that and commitment to make a truly valuable player.
Hi Den,

Glad to hear you are not walking strangely !

Ranger's value is an interesting one. When we took him on the court case loomed and if found guilty no player from now on. Now he has been found innocent that court case is no longer an issue.

He has proved difficult but how much of that was overplayed for a headline. He does seem to have "chilled" and his attitude on the pitch, IMO, is fantastic and the young lads who have picked up needless bookings could actually learn from him. Given the doubts over the trial are gone, his value, especially given his age, has to be quite high.

COYMR
Will be interesting to see a scenario should a Championship club offer peanuts for him and Power turns them down, and how Nile reacts to that.

Personally I just can't see him with a long-term future at Swindon, just have a feeling something will happen and he'll be off.

A shame if he does leave as he's such quality on the pitch, but it's the whole package.

A bit like Di Canio now as a manager, who would want to take the chance when you simply know there will be trouble ahead....
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Haha! No Oxon - I was spared that indignity. On the subject of Ranger's value, will it really be that high? We were the only club prepared to take him on for nothing, so who is going to be happy to part with significant dosh for him? OK, the court case is now history but he has disrespected every club that's employed him. Surely he will have to demonstrate that he wants to be a proper professional before any club will take the financial gamble? In terms of talent, the sky's the limit. It takes a combination of that and commitment to make a truly valuable player.[/p][/quote]Hi Den, Glad to hear you are not walking strangely ! Ranger's value is an interesting one. When we took him on the court case loomed and if found guilty no player from now on. Now he has been found innocent that court case is no longer an issue. He has proved difficult but how much of that was overplayed for a headline. He does seem to have "chilled" and his attitude on the pitch, IMO, is fantastic and the young lads who have picked up needless bookings could actually learn from him. Given the doubts over the trial are gone, his value, especially given his age, has to be quite high. COYMR[/p][/quote]Will be interesting to see a scenario should a Championship club offer peanuts for him and Power turns them down, and how Nile reacts to that. Personally I just can't see him with a long-term future at Swindon, just have a feeling something will happen and he'll be off. A shame if he does leave as he's such quality on the pitch, but it's the whole package. A bit like Di Canio now as a manager, who would want to take the chance when you simply know there will be trouble ahead.... Wilesy
  • Score: 3

10:47pm Tue 4 Mar 14

joey butler says...

I have never taken much interest in the Nile Ranger trial either way, but wish him well on the subject as he has been found not guilty.

I still have a very strong view that we should not have signed him in the first place under ANY circumstances. Ranger is a very good footballer, but it ends there. He is a shocking example for the rest of this mainly young squad, he has a history of bad news prior to Swindon Town and is unlikely to change in the future. I think Mark Cooper knows that, to Cooper's credit.

Ranger is a role model according to one poster on here earlier....???

Correct, a role model to waste a wonderful talent and ruin your life by your early twenties!

By the way, it is not Nile Ranger's fault that we signed him, but was not Mr Power's finest moment, was it?
I have never taken much interest in the Nile Ranger trial either way, but wish him well on the subject as he has been found not guilty. I still have a very strong view that we should not have signed him in the first place under ANY circumstances. Ranger is a very good footballer, but it ends there. He is a shocking example for the rest of this mainly young squad, he has a history of bad news prior to Swindon Town and is unlikely to change in the future. I think Mark Cooper knows that, to Cooper's credit. Ranger is a role model according to one poster on here earlier....??? Correct, a role model to waste a wonderful talent and ruin your life by your early twenties! By the way, it is not Nile Ranger's fault that we signed him, but was not Mr Power's finest moment, was it? joey butler
  • Score: -6

10:47pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oxon-Red says...

Wilesy wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Haha! No Oxon - I was spared that indignity.

On the subject of Ranger's value, will it really be that high? We were the only club prepared to take him on for nothing, so who is going to be happy to part with significant dosh for him? OK, the court case is now history but he has disrespected every club that's employed him. Surely he will have to demonstrate that he wants to be a proper professional before any club will take the financial gamble?

In terms of talent, the sky's the limit. It takes a combination of that and commitment to make a truly valuable player.
Hi Den,

Glad to hear you are not walking strangely !

Ranger's value is an interesting one. When we took him on the court case loomed and if found guilty no player from now on. Now he has been found innocent that court case is no longer an issue.

He has proved difficult but how much of that was overplayed for a headline. He does seem to have "chilled" and his attitude on the pitch, IMO, is fantastic and the young lads who have picked up needless bookings could actually learn from him. Given the doubts over the trial are gone, his value, especially given his age, has to be quite high.

COYMR
Will be interesting to see a scenario should a Championship club offer peanuts for him and Power turns them down, and how Nile reacts to that.

Personally I just can't see him with a long-term future at Swindon, just have a feeling something will happen and he'll be off.

A shame if he does leave as he's such quality on the pitch, but it's the whole package.

A bit like Di Canio now as a manager, who would want to take the chance when you simply know there will be trouble ahead....
Wilesy,

Agree with you to an extent but offering peanuts could be taken as an insult to both parties.

Guess we will have to wait and see but personally from a footballing point of view I would love to see Nile playing at the County Ground for as long as possible.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Haha! No Oxon - I was spared that indignity. On the subject of Ranger's value, will it really be that high? We were the only club prepared to take him on for nothing, so who is going to be happy to part with significant dosh for him? OK, the court case is now history but he has disrespected every club that's employed him. Surely he will have to demonstrate that he wants to be a proper professional before any club will take the financial gamble? In terms of talent, the sky's the limit. It takes a combination of that and commitment to make a truly valuable player.[/p][/quote]Hi Den, Glad to hear you are not walking strangely ! Ranger's value is an interesting one. When we took him on the court case loomed and if found guilty no player from now on. Now he has been found innocent that court case is no longer an issue. He has proved difficult but how much of that was overplayed for a headline. He does seem to have "chilled" and his attitude on the pitch, IMO, is fantastic and the young lads who have picked up needless bookings could actually learn from him. Given the doubts over the trial are gone, his value, especially given his age, has to be quite high. COYMR[/p][/quote]Will be interesting to see a scenario should a Championship club offer peanuts for him and Power turns them down, and how Nile reacts to that. Personally I just can't see him with a long-term future at Swindon, just have a feeling something will happen and he'll be off. A shame if he does leave as he's such quality on the pitch, but it's the whole package. A bit like Di Canio now as a manager, who would want to take the chance when you simply know there will be trouble ahead....[/p][/quote]Wilesy, Agree with you to an extent but offering peanuts could be taken as an insult to both parties. Guess we will have to wait and see but personally from a footballing point of view I would love to see Nile playing at the County Ground for as long as possible. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

10:57pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oxon-Red says...

Dover Red wrote:
Guilty or not, he put himself in this position to be judged, will he learn that footballers will always be seen as fair game by certain people ? he doesn't seem to be the sort of guy who is happy to cuddle up on the sofa with wife/girlfriend and watch the box, so I guess we will see more photos and reports of late night excesses, A massive wake up call for him, not sure it will be heeded.
Dover,

That could be said or many lads all over the country meeting a girl and ending up at his or hers. He may not seem to be that "sort of guy" but I bet there are probable a few that post on here that changed after meeting "that special person". Sometimes men are peacocking, looking for their peahen.

Agree, big wake-up call but who can really judge where he goes from here and he may have felt that she was his "special person".

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Dover Red[/bold] wrote: Guilty or not, he put himself in this position to be judged, will he learn that footballers will always be seen as fair game by certain people ? he doesn't seem to be the sort of guy who is happy to cuddle up on the sofa with wife/girlfriend and watch the box, so I guess we will see more photos and reports of late night excesses, A massive wake up call for him, not sure it will be heeded.[/p][/quote]Dover, That could be said or many lads all over the country meeting a girl and ending up at his or hers. He may not seem to be that "sort of guy" but I bet there are probable a few that post on here that changed after meeting "that special person". Sometimes men are peacocking, looking for their peahen. Agree, big wake-up call but who can really judge where he goes from here and he may have felt that she was his "special person". COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 2

11:02pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oxon-Red says...

joey butler wrote:
I have never taken much interest in the Nile Ranger trial either way, but wish him well on the subject as he has been found not guilty.

I still have a very strong view that we should not have signed him in the first place under ANY circumstances. Ranger is a very good footballer, but it ends there. He is a shocking example for the rest of this mainly young squad, he has a history of bad news prior to Swindon Town and is unlikely to change in the future. I think Mark Cooper knows that, to Cooper's credit.

Ranger is a role model according to one poster on here earlier....???

Correct, a role model to waste a wonderful talent and ruin your life by your early twenties!

By the way, it is not Nile Ranger's fault that we signed him, but was not Mr Power's finest moment, was it?
Joey,

It was me that referred to him as a role mode of sortsl. The reason, he takes a lot of stick, accepts it and gets on with the game. Nile Ranger no bookings all season, Pritchard and Kasim have both received bans for picking up needless bookings. An example on the pitch not necessarily off it.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: I have never taken much interest in the Nile Ranger trial either way, but wish him well on the subject as he has been found not guilty. I still have a very strong view that we should not have signed him in the first place under ANY circumstances. Ranger is a very good footballer, but it ends there. He is a shocking example for the rest of this mainly young squad, he has a history of bad news prior to Swindon Town and is unlikely to change in the future. I think Mark Cooper knows that, to Cooper's credit. Ranger is a role model according to one poster on here earlier....??? Correct, a role model to waste a wonderful talent and ruin your life by your early twenties! By the way, it is not Nile Ranger's fault that we signed him, but was not Mr Power's finest moment, was it?[/p][/quote]Joey, It was me that referred to him as a role mode of sortsl. The reason, he takes a lot of stick, accepts it and gets on with the game. Nile Ranger no bookings all season, Pritchard and Kasim have both received bans for picking up needless bookings. An example on the pitch not necessarily off it. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 7

11:05pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Wilesy says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Haha! No Oxon - I was spared that indignity.

On the subject of Ranger's value, will it really be that high? We were the only club prepared to take him on for nothing, so who is going to be happy to part with significant dosh for him? OK, the court case is now history but he has disrespected every club that's employed him. Surely he will have to demonstrate that he wants to be a proper professional before any club will take the financial gamble?

In terms of talent, the sky's the limit. It takes a combination of that and commitment to make a truly valuable player.
Hi Den,

Glad to hear you are not walking strangely !

Ranger's value is an interesting one. When we took him on the court case loomed and if found guilty no player from now on. Now he has been found innocent that court case is no longer an issue.

He has proved difficult but how much of that was overplayed for a headline. He does seem to have "chilled" and his attitude on the pitch, IMO, is fantastic and the young lads who have picked up needless bookings could actually learn from him. Given the doubts over the trial are gone, his value, especially given his age, has to be quite high.

COYMR
Will be interesting to see a scenario should a Championship club offer peanuts for him and Power turns them down, and how Nile reacts to that.

Personally I just can't see him with a long-term future at Swindon, just have a feeling something will happen and he'll be off.

A shame if he does leave as he's such quality on the pitch, but it's the whole package.

A bit like Di Canio now as a manager, who would want to take the chance when you simply know there will be trouble ahead....
Wilesy,

Agree with you to an extent but offering peanuts could be taken as an insult to both parties.

Guess we will have to wait and see but personally from a footballing point of view I would love to see Nile playing at the County Ground for as long as possible.

COYMR
I don't think it would be insulting, just realistically a lower fee from a club as a result of taking a gamble but offering him a chance. Say a Championship club that are London based like Millwall or QPR came in, I think he would want to go, and if we stood in his way he might not fancy training for as long as it takes.....

That said I also want to see him playing here as long as possible, but good players don't play below their level for long...
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Haha! No Oxon - I was spared that indignity. On the subject of Ranger's value, will it really be that high? We were the only club prepared to take him on for nothing, so who is going to be happy to part with significant dosh for him? OK, the court case is now history but he has disrespected every club that's employed him. Surely he will have to demonstrate that he wants to be a proper professional before any club will take the financial gamble? In terms of talent, the sky's the limit. It takes a combination of that and commitment to make a truly valuable player.[/p][/quote]Hi Den, Glad to hear you are not walking strangely ! Ranger's value is an interesting one. When we took him on the court case loomed and if found guilty no player from now on. Now he has been found innocent that court case is no longer an issue. He has proved difficult but how much of that was overplayed for a headline. He does seem to have "chilled" and his attitude on the pitch, IMO, is fantastic and the young lads who have picked up needless bookings could actually learn from him. Given the doubts over the trial are gone, his value, especially given his age, has to be quite high. COYMR[/p][/quote]Will be interesting to see a scenario should a Championship club offer peanuts for him and Power turns them down, and how Nile reacts to that. Personally I just can't see him with a long-term future at Swindon, just have a feeling something will happen and he'll be off. A shame if he does leave as he's such quality on the pitch, but it's the whole package. A bit like Di Canio now as a manager, who would want to take the chance when you simply know there will be trouble ahead....[/p][/quote]Wilesy, Agree with you to an extent but offering peanuts could be taken as an insult to both parties. Guess we will have to wait and see but personally from a footballing point of view I would love to see Nile playing at the County Ground for as long as possible. COYMR[/p][/quote]I don't think it would be insulting, just realistically a lower fee from a club as a result of taking a gamble but offering him a chance. Say a Championship club that are London based like Millwall or QPR came in, I think he would want to go, and if we stood in his way he might not fancy training for as long as it takes..... That said I also want to see him playing here as long as possible, but good players don't play below their level for long... Wilesy
  • Score: 2

11:20pm Tue 4 Mar 14

california andy says...

Wrong. Don Rogers. :-))
Wrong. Don Rogers. :-)) california andy
  • Score: 1

11:25pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Cleuso says...

bradley red 1 wrote:
Glove puppet has no say on who stays,plays,leaves as we all know,why lee power continues to hide behind cooper is a farce! power might as well have the title of manager,owner,chairm

an,director of football,player recruitment,tactics,

will never sit right for me as long as these people are at the club and looking at attendances this season seems i am not the only one.
So whats your solution ? Get in a bunch of russian oligarchs to buy club , appoint a new manager, sack him after 4 games because we haven't won each of the 4 games and are not top of the league.

Negative moaning all the time, never anything positive.
[quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Glove puppet has no say on who stays,plays,leaves as we all know,why lee power continues to hide behind cooper is a farce! power might as well have the title of manager,owner,chairm an,director of football,player recruitment,tactics, will never sit right for me as long as these people are at the club and looking at attendances this season seems i am not the only one.[/p][/quote]So whats your solution ? Get in a bunch of russian oligarchs to buy club , appoint a new manager, sack him after 4 games because we haven't won each of the 4 games and are not top of the league. Negative moaning all the time, never anything positive. Cleuso
  • Score: 1

11:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

joey butler says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
joey butler wrote:
I have never taken much interest in the Nile Ranger trial either way, but wish him well on the subject as he has been found not guilty.

I still have a very strong view that we should not have signed him in the first place under ANY circumstances. Ranger is a very good footballer, but it ends there. He is a shocking example for the rest of this mainly young squad, he has a history of bad news prior to Swindon Town and is unlikely to change in the future. I think Mark Cooper knows that, to Cooper's credit.

Ranger is a role model according to one poster on here earlier....???

Correct, a role model to waste a wonderful talent and ruin your life by your early twenties!

By the way, it is not Nile Ranger's fault that we signed him, but was not Mr Power's finest moment, was it?
Joey,

It was me that referred to him as a role mode of sortsl. The reason, he takes a lot of stick, accepts it and gets on with the game. Nile Ranger no bookings all season, Pritchard and Kasim have both received bans for picking up needless bookings. An example on the pitch not necessarily off it.

COYMR
Sorry Oxon,

But I did not mean your post at all!

Grim's post from 8.43pm refers!

But even that was not as totally stupid as his post of 4.57pm this afternoon, where he called the young student a slag.

Almost certainly it's bye, bye yet again Grim, another new posting name needed for you and fast!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: I have never taken much interest in the Nile Ranger trial either way, but wish him well on the subject as he has been found not guilty. I still have a very strong view that we should not have signed him in the first place under ANY circumstances. Ranger is a very good footballer, but it ends there. He is a shocking example for the rest of this mainly young squad, he has a history of bad news prior to Swindon Town and is unlikely to change in the future. I think Mark Cooper knows that, to Cooper's credit. Ranger is a role model according to one poster on here earlier....??? Correct, a role model to waste a wonderful talent and ruin your life by your early twenties! By the way, it is not Nile Ranger's fault that we signed him, but was not Mr Power's finest moment, was it?[/p][/quote]Joey, It was me that referred to him as a role mode of sortsl. The reason, he takes a lot of stick, accepts it and gets on with the game. Nile Ranger no bookings all season, Pritchard and Kasim have both received bans for picking up needless bookings. An example on the pitch not necessarily off it. COYMR[/p][/quote]Sorry Oxon, But I did not mean your post at all! Grim's post from 8.43pm refers! But even that was not as totally stupid as his post of 4.57pm this afternoon, where he called the young student a slag. Almost certainly it's bye, bye yet again Grim, another new posting name needed for you and fast!!! joey butler
  • Score: 2

12:52am Wed 5 Mar 14

Fernham Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Fernham Red wrote:
Great news about Nile, now we can all get back to the business of football again! I got a lot of grief on this forum for defending Nile and suggesting we should all have stood by our player and not taken the easy option of kicking a man while he was down. Just glad this sorry episode is now over.
Fernham, regardless of this trial, don't you think there's a question mark over whether Ranger will ever take the business of football seriously? My opinion of him is that he's a marvellous footballer but he's always likely to be bad news. I hope I'm wrong because he can be a real joy to watch.
Den,
My view has always been that as individuals or as a club we need to be responsible and consistent in our decisions. With Nile, we knew what we were getting and would have sought some assurances from Nile as to his impending court case. We need to bear in mind that we got a Premier footballer for peanuts: that doesn't come without strings attached. As it turns out what was widely viewed as a gamble by so many has now proven to be a low risk astute business decision. What I've been roundly criticized for on here is for saying that once we've put faith in a decision to support a player, we should have done everything we could to stand by and help him get through it. I would cite Liverpool's defence of Suarez as an example here. They stood by him when no-one else would and now they are reaping the rewards. I do not like this idea of 'fair weather friends' celebrating only because of his verdict: you either help someone or you don't. As it stands, the club has hit the jackpot financially as teams from up and down the country will want what he can offer on the pitch. Nile is no angel but neither are many people we would list as our friends, and we accept them despite their alleged and actual indiscretions. Footballers are people too and at only 22, with so much talent and money it does not surprise me that we have our very own Balotelli. We should enjoy his football while he's here as we'll sure as hell miss it when he goes. Our player of the season by a country mile.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fernham Red[/bold] wrote: Great news about Nile, now we can all get back to the business of football again! I got a lot of grief on this forum for defending Nile and suggesting we should all have stood by our player and not taken the easy option of kicking a man while he was down. Just glad this sorry episode is now over.[/p][/quote]Fernham, regardless of this trial, don't you think there's a question mark over whether Ranger will ever take the business of football seriously? My opinion of him is that he's a marvellous footballer but he's always likely to be bad news. I hope I'm wrong because he can be a real joy to watch.[/p][/quote]Den, My view has always been that as individuals or as a club we need to be responsible and consistent in our decisions. With Nile, we knew what we were getting and would have sought some assurances from Nile as to his impending court case. We need to bear in mind that we got a Premier footballer for peanuts: that doesn't come without strings attached. As it turns out what was widely viewed as a gamble by so many has now proven to be a low risk astute business decision. What I've been roundly criticized for on here is for saying that once we've put faith in a decision to support a player, we should have done everything we could to stand by and help him get through it. I would cite Liverpool's defence of Suarez as an example here. They stood by him when no-one else would and now they are reaping the rewards. I do not like this idea of 'fair weather friends' celebrating only because of his verdict: you either help someone or you don't. As it stands, the club has hit the jackpot financially as teams from up and down the country will want what he can offer on the pitch. Nile is no angel but neither are many people we would list as our friends, and we accept them despite their alleged and actual indiscretions. Footballers are people too and at only 22, with so much talent and money it does not surprise me that we have our very own Balotelli. We should enjoy his football while he's here as we'll sure as hell miss it when he goes. Our player of the season by a country mile. Fernham Red
  • Score: 3

6:16am Wed 5 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

joey butler wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
joey butler wrote:
I have never taken much interest in the Nile Ranger trial either way, but wish him well on the subject as he has been found not guilty.

I still have a very strong view that we should not have signed him in the first place under ANY circumstances. Ranger is a very good footballer, but it ends there. He is a shocking example for the rest of this mainly young squad, he has a history of bad news prior to Swindon Town and is unlikely to change in the future. I think Mark Cooper knows that, to Cooper's credit.

Ranger is a role model according to one poster on here earlier....???

Correct, a role model to waste a wonderful talent and ruin your life by your early twenties!

By the way, it is not Nile Ranger's fault that we signed him, but was not Mr Power's finest moment, was it?
Joey,

It was me that referred to him as a role mode of sortsl. The reason, he takes a lot of stick, accepts it and gets on with the game. Nile Ranger no bookings all season, Pritchard and Kasim have both received bans for picking up needless bookings. An example on the pitch not necessarily off it.

COYMR
Sorry Oxon,

But I did not mean your post at all!

Grim's post from 8.43pm refers!

But even that was not as totally stupid as his post of 4.57pm this afternoon, where he called the young student a slag.

Almost certainly it's bye, bye yet again Grim, another new posting name needed for you and fast!!!
Another new name it is then?
I hate you butler aaaaggghhhh
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: I have never taken much interest in the Nile Ranger trial either way, but wish him well on the subject as he has been found not guilty. I still have a very strong view that we should not have signed him in the first place under ANY circumstances. Ranger is a very good footballer, but it ends there. He is a shocking example for the rest of this mainly young squad, he has a history of bad news prior to Swindon Town and is unlikely to change in the future. I think Mark Cooper knows that, to Cooper's credit. Ranger is a role model according to one poster on here earlier....??? Correct, a role model to waste a wonderful talent and ruin your life by your early twenties! By the way, it is not Nile Ranger's fault that we signed him, but was not Mr Power's finest moment, was it?[/p][/quote]Joey, It was me that referred to him as a role mode of sortsl. The reason, he takes a lot of stick, accepts it and gets on with the game. Nile Ranger no bookings all season, Pritchard and Kasim have both received bans for picking up needless bookings. An example on the pitch not necessarily off it. COYMR[/p][/quote]Sorry Oxon, But I did not mean your post at all! Grim's post from 8.43pm refers! But even that was not as totally stupid as his post of 4.57pm this afternoon, where he called the young student a slag. Almost certainly it's bye, bye yet again Grim, another new posting name needed for you and fast!!![/p][/quote]Another new name it is then? I hate you butler aaaaggghhhh smirg kcab
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7:55am Wed 5 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

Fernham Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Fernham Red wrote:
Great news about Nile, now we can all get back to the business of football again! I got a lot of grief on this forum for defending Nile and suggesting we should all have stood by our player and not taken the easy option of kicking a man while he was down. Just glad this sorry episode is now over.
Fernham, regardless of this trial, don't you think there's a question mark over whether Ranger will ever take the business of football seriously? My opinion of him is that he's a marvellous footballer but he's always likely to be bad news. I hope I'm wrong because he can be a real joy to watch.
Den,
My view has always been that as individuals or as a club we need to be responsible and consistent in our decisions. With Nile, we knew what we were getting and would have sought some assurances from Nile as to his impending court case. We need to bear in mind that we got a Premier footballer for peanuts: that doesn't come without strings attached. As it turns out what was widely viewed as a gamble by so many has now proven to be a low risk astute business decision. What I've been roundly criticized for on here is for saying that once we've put faith in a decision to support a player, we should have done everything we could to stand by and help him get through it. I would cite Liverpool's defence of Suarez as an example here. They stood by him when no-one else would and now they are reaping the rewards. I do not like this idea of 'fair weather friends' celebrating only because of his verdict: you either help someone or you don't. As it stands, the club has hit the jackpot financially as teams from up and down the country will want what he can offer on the pitch. Nile is no angel but neither are many people we would list as our friends, and we accept them despite their alleged and actual indiscretions. Footballers are people too and at only 22, with so much talent and money it does not surprise me that we have our very own Balotelli. We should enjoy his football while he's here as we'll sure as hell miss it when he goes. Our player of the season by a country mile.
Fair analysis Fernham. I have to say I find it odd that there are so many black and white views over Ranger. Because of his misdemeanours, some people seem happy to overlook the fact that he's a superb footballer, while others seem content to overlook the misdemeanours because he's a superb footballer.

But loyalty is a two way street. Our club gave him a chance when others wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. He repaid that support by letting his teammates and manager down, to the point where the manager had to go cap in hand to the players and ask them to accept him back into the fold. Are you saying that Ranger should be allowed to keep doing that for as long as he likes, simply because we got a talented footballer for next to nothing?

My problem with Ranger has never been the court case, it's been the fact that he has disrespected STFC, just like he has disrespected all his other clubs. I've said before that IF he has decided to behave like the other players, it's great news.

As for the court case, we'll never know whether the jury firmly believed he did not commit the crime or whether they felt the prosecution had not proved their case beyond reasonable doubt. Maybe juries should have, in addition to "guilty" and "not guilty", a "not proven" option. This would give us some insight into their thinking. However, as many have said, we accept the verdict and move on. Let's hope Ranger takes the chance to move on and become the player he can be.
[quote][p][bold]Fernham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fernham Red[/bold] wrote: Great news about Nile, now we can all get back to the business of football again! I got a lot of grief on this forum for defending Nile and suggesting we should all have stood by our player and not taken the easy option of kicking a man while he was down. Just glad this sorry episode is now over.[/p][/quote]Fernham, regardless of this trial, don't you think there's a question mark over whether Ranger will ever take the business of football seriously? My opinion of him is that he's a marvellous footballer but he's always likely to be bad news. I hope I'm wrong because he can be a real joy to watch.[/p][/quote]Den, My view has always been that as individuals or as a club we need to be responsible and consistent in our decisions. With Nile, we knew what we were getting and would have sought some assurances from Nile as to his impending court case. We need to bear in mind that we got a Premier footballer for peanuts: that doesn't come without strings attached. As it turns out what was widely viewed as a gamble by so many has now proven to be a low risk astute business decision. What I've been roundly criticized for on here is for saying that once we've put faith in a decision to support a player, we should have done everything we could to stand by and help him get through it. I would cite Liverpool's defence of Suarez as an example here. They stood by him when no-one else would and now they are reaping the rewards. I do not like this idea of 'fair weather friends' celebrating only because of his verdict: you either help someone or you don't. As it stands, the club has hit the jackpot financially as teams from up and down the country will want what he can offer on the pitch. Nile is no angel but neither are many people we would list as our friends, and we accept them despite their alleged and actual indiscretions. Footballers are people too and at only 22, with so much talent and money it does not surprise me that we have our very own Balotelli. We should enjoy his football while he's here as we'll sure as hell miss it when he goes. Our player of the season by a country mile.[/p][/quote]Fair analysis Fernham. I have to say I find it odd that there are so many black and white views over Ranger. Because of his misdemeanours, some people seem happy to overlook the fact that he's a superb footballer, while others seem content to overlook the misdemeanours because he's a superb footballer. But loyalty is a two way street. Our club gave him a chance when others wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. He repaid that support by letting his teammates and manager down, to the point where the manager had to go cap in hand to the players and ask them to accept him back into the fold. Are you saying that Ranger should be allowed to keep doing that for as long as he likes, simply because we got a talented footballer for next to nothing? My problem with Ranger has never been the court case, it's been the fact that he has disrespected STFC, just like he has disrespected all his other clubs. I've said before that IF he has decided to behave like the other players, it's great news. As for the court case, we'll never know whether the jury firmly believed he did not commit the crime or whether they felt the prosecution had not proved their case beyond reasonable doubt. Maybe juries should have, in addition to "guilty" and "not guilty", a "not proven" option. This would give us some insight into their thinking. However, as many have said, we accept the verdict and move on. Let's hope Ranger takes the chance to move on and become the player he can be. Oi Den!
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8:17am Wed 5 Mar 14

STFC_FOREVER says...

Starting Line Up VS Mk Dons

Belford
N.Thompson Ward Archibald-Henville McEveley
Kasim Luongo
Pritchard Byrne
L.Thompson
Smith
Starting Line Up VS Mk Dons Belford N.Thompson Ward Archibald-Henville McEveley Kasim Luongo Pritchard Byrne L.Thompson Smith STFC_FOREVER
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4:35pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Swindon1984 says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.
Perfect example of why you get the minuses - as you oft complain of people doing so and not replying, I'll do you the courtesy of responding to what you've written. Grim, you're often a wind up merchant, but the above was totally out of line. Flippant remarks may in your opinion do no harm but think first eh? I'm sure you're not a fool, just someone who says incredibly foolish things on occasion. Things aren't always black and white. Think I'm wasting my breath though, you can say what you like. Just don't be surprised if people think less of you because of it.
Flippant remark ?So you enjoy paying tax for this case then? Just because you wanted him found guilty, like lots more know all On here, and crucified him before he even went to court. Glad he's innocent and like London red said it was a no brainer. Still yes you have wasted your breath. A great player and role model, shame he's injured.make him manager
Nonsense, I never wanted him found guilty, and never expressed any problems with him being at the club, unlike a lot on here. Find me one thing I've said that supports your point and I'll eat my hat - though it's easier to say whatever you like than think or have anything to back up what you say.

Do I "enjoy paying tax for this case" as you so succinctly put it? Well that's not really the issue is it. Think you're out of your element a bit here. The judicial system is what it is, there was obviously enough of a question to justify bringing the case to trial, and it's come out in Nile's favour, fantastic.

Yes, yours was a flippant comment, I'll make no apologies for saying that - calling the woman involved names? Really? There's little point in two people having a conversation in two different languages of which the other doesn't understand, and that's exactly what this conversation's like. I was perfectly polite to you, and you respond with sarcasm and a total misunderstanding of the point I was trying to make. Won't make the effort again, total waste of time.

Cheers Den/Jockster/etc for the abillity to have a sensible and intelligent conversation.

Grim - won't resort to name calling as you've done, but would just say your wind up attempts are juvenile and attention seeking, and do you no favours - you seemingly can't talk about a serious subject without causing yourself embarassment. Going to leave it now as it's like banging my head against a brick wall.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.[/p][/quote]Perfect example of why you get the minuses - as you oft complain of people doing so and not replying, I'll do you the courtesy of responding to what you've written. Grim, you're often a wind up merchant, but the above was totally out of line. Flippant remarks may in your opinion do no harm but think first eh? I'm sure you're not a fool, just someone who says incredibly foolish things on occasion. Things aren't always black and white. Think I'm wasting my breath though, you can say what you like. Just don't be surprised if people think less of you because of it.[/p][/quote]Flippant remark ?So you enjoy paying tax for this case then? Just because you wanted him found guilty, like lots more know all On here, and crucified him before he even went to court. Glad he's innocent and like London red said it was a no brainer. Still yes you have wasted your breath. A great player and role model, shame he's injured.make him manager[/p][/quote]Nonsense, I never wanted him found guilty, and never expressed any problems with him being at the club, unlike a lot on here. Find me one thing I've said that supports your point and I'll eat my hat - though it's easier to say whatever you like than think or have anything to back up what you say. Do I "enjoy paying tax for this case" as you so succinctly put it? Well that's not really the issue is it. Think you're out of your element a bit here. The judicial system is what it is, there was obviously enough of a question to justify bringing the case to trial, and it's come out in Nile's favour, fantastic. Yes, yours was a flippant comment, I'll make no apologies for saying that - calling the woman involved names? Really? There's little point in two people having a conversation in two different languages of which the other doesn't understand, and that's exactly what this conversation's like. I was perfectly polite to you, and you respond with sarcasm and a total misunderstanding of the point I was trying to make. Won't make the effort again, total waste of time. Cheers Den/Jockster/etc for the abillity to have a sensible and intelligent conversation. Grim - won't resort to name calling as you've done, but would just say your wind up attempts are juvenile and attention seeking, and do you no favours - you seemingly can't talk about a serious subject without causing yourself embarassment. Going to leave it now as it's like banging my head against a brick wall. Swindon1984
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7:24pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Steve. Brentford says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.
Perfect example of why you get the minuses - as you oft complain of people doing so and not replying, I'll do you the courtesy of responding to what you've written. Grim, you're often a wind up merchant, but the above was totally out of line. Flippant remarks may in your opinion do no harm but think first eh? I'm sure you're not a fool, just someone who says incredibly foolish things on occasion. Things aren't always black and white. Think I'm wasting my breath though, you can say what you like. Just don't be surprised if people think less of you because of it.
Flippant remark ?So you enjoy paying tax for this case then? Just because you wanted him found guilty, like lots more know all On here, and crucified him before he even went to court. Glad he's innocent and like London red said it was a no brainer. Still yes you have wasted your breath. A great player and role model, shame he's injured.make him manager
Nonsense, I never wanted him found guilty, and never expressed any problems with him being at the club, unlike a lot on here. Find me one thing I've said that supports your point and I'll eat my hat - though it's easier to say whatever you like than think or have anything to back up what you say.

Do I "enjoy paying tax for this case" as you so succinctly put it? Well that's not really the issue is it. Think you're out of your element a bit here. The judicial system is what it is, there was obviously enough of a question to justify bringing the case to trial, and it's come out in Nile's favour, fantastic.

Yes, yours was a flippant comment, I'll make no apologies for saying that - calling the woman involved names? Really? There's little point in two people having a conversation in two different languages of which the other doesn't understand, and that's exactly what this conversation's like. I was perfectly polite to you, and you respond with sarcasm and a total misunderstanding of the point I was trying to make. Won't make the effort again, total waste of time.

Cheers Den/Jockster/etc for the abillity to have a sensible and intelligent conversation.

Grim - won't resort to name calling as you've done, but would just say your wind up attempts are juvenile and attention seeking, and do you no favours - you seemingly can't talk about a serious subject without causing yourself embarassment. Going to leave it now as it's like banging my head against a brick wall.
Sorry Grim i can sometimes find your posts amusing (although we have had our differences at times) but this ones a little to offencive/ brutal. As is someone calling you a window licker.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Lock the slag up for wasting police time,and drunk and disorderly.[/p][/quote]Perfect example of why you get the minuses - as you oft complain of people doing so and not replying, I'll do you the courtesy of responding to what you've written. Grim, you're often a wind up merchant, but the above was totally out of line. Flippant remarks may in your opinion do no harm but think first eh? I'm sure you're not a fool, just someone who says incredibly foolish things on occasion. Things aren't always black and white. Think I'm wasting my breath though, you can say what you like. Just don't be surprised if people think less of you because of it.[/p][/quote]Flippant remark ?So you enjoy paying tax for this case then? Just because you wanted him found guilty, like lots more know all On here, and crucified him before he even went to court. Glad he's innocent and like London red said it was a no brainer. Still yes you have wasted your breath. A great player and role model, shame he's injured.make him manager[/p][/quote]Nonsense, I never wanted him found guilty, and never expressed any problems with him being at the club, unlike a lot on here. Find me one thing I've said that supports your point and I'll eat my hat - though it's easier to say whatever you like than think or have anything to back up what you say. Do I "enjoy paying tax for this case" as you so succinctly put it? Well that's not really the issue is it. Think you're out of your element a bit here. The judicial system is what it is, there was obviously enough of a question to justify bringing the case to trial, and it's come out in Nile's favour, fantastic. Yes, yours was a flippant comment, I'll make no apologies for saying that - calling the woman involved names? Really? There's little point in two people having a conversation in two different languages of which the other doesn't understand, and that's exactly what this conversation's like. I was perfectly polite to you, and you respond with sarcasm and a total misunderstanding of the point I was trying to make. Won't make the effort again, total waste of time. Cheers Den/Jockster/etc for the abillity to have a sensible and intelligent conversation. Grim - won't resort to name calling as you've done, but would just say your wind up attempts are juvenile and attention seeking, and do you no favours - you seemingly can't talk about a serious subject without causing yourself embarassment. Going to leave it now as it's like banging my head against a brick wall.[/p][/quote]Sorry Grim i can sometimes find your posts amusing (although we have had our differences at times) but this ones a little to offencive/ brutal. As is someone calling you a window licker. Steve. Brentford
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7:58am Fri 7 Mar 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

Adver sort this website out, the mobile site is showing me loads of articles but the real site is stuck on this
Adver sort this website out, the mobile site is showing me loads of articles but the real site is stuck on this Is that you Lovesey
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8:23pm Tue 11 Mar 14

mrwoo says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
mrwoo wrote:
Those who have commented on Nile Rangers case, how STUPID are you? It is contempt of court to make any comments re guilt not guilt and as such you could all be jailed! The trial is ongoing!!! Adver will be well advised to remove the offending posts, although doing that would not stop anyone being prosecuted.
well thats your fireworks peed on then, lock them all up delete their comments ra ra ra
rarara Steve.
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: Those who have commented on Nile Rangers case, how STUPID are you? It is contempt of court to make any comments re guilt not guilt and as such you could all be jailed! The trial is ongoing!!! Adver will be well advised to remove the offending posts, although doing that would not stop anyone being prosecuted.[/p][/quote]well thats your fireworks peed on then, lock them all up delete their comments ra ra ra[/p][/quote]rarara Steve. mrwoo
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