LiveMATCHDAY LIVE: Crawley Town v Swindon Town

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Summary

  • Crawley Town 1 (McLeod pen, 51) Swindon Town 0
  • McLeod gives the hosts the lead from the spot
  • Louis Thompson gives away the penalty and is sent off
  • Louis is fit and starts but Brad Smith and Anton Rodgers miss out through injury
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  • REPORTING BY TOM BASSAM AND ANDY WARREN

5:21pm

That's it from us here at Crawley, but we'll be back for Tuesday night's trip to Gillingham.

Hopefully see you then.

5:20pm

No players giving interviews this evening, the club have said.

5:18pm

Despite the frustrations, Cooper was proud of his players' performances this afternoon.

Swindon Advertiser: Mark Cooper

MARK COOPER

“We were outstanding, it was a one-sided game and we dominated the ball," he said.

“We can’t play that well and not win many games, that’s the one thing for our players. We judge our performances and our performance was top drawer.

“I said to the players at half time, don’t take any liberties, defend properly.

“We couldn’t force the equaliser which would have been the least we deserved.”

5:15pm

Cooper has also said Brad Smith may be available for next weekend, meaning his pursuit of a left-sided player is stalled for now.

5:14pm

Manager Mark Cooper is speaking now, and believes Louis Thompson got the ball after seeing the replays and questioned the referee's ability to give a penalty when he was on the halfway line.

Swindon Advertiser: Mark Cooper

MARK COOPER

“I’ve seen it and the referee is just inside our half of the pitch, he’s given a penalty from the halfway line when he can’t see. The linesman is a few yards away and didn’t move.

“Whether it’s a penalty or not, I don’t see how a referee can give it from the halfway line. Louis slid in and got the ball and it went to our keeper.

“The speed the referee gave it from inside our half was incredible."

5:12pm

Reaction to come in the next few minutes, jest waiting for Mark Cooper now.

 

4:53pm

FULL-TIME: Crawley Town 1 Swindon Town 0

4:53pm

It comes to nothing but Wes does make an excellent slide tackle. Added time in added time now.

4:52pm

Wes is going up for it.

4:52pm

Town corner, 45 seconds to go.

4:51pm

Two minutes left

4:51pm

Bobson Bawling (great name) is booked for kicking the ball away.

4:49pm

Four minutes added on

4:48pm

4:46pm Sat 16 Aug 14

umpcah says

It doesn`t seem to be our day today. Cant win them all I suppose !

4:47pm

SUBSTITUTION: Edwards is replaced by Emmett O’Connor as John Gregory makes his final change. 86

4:47pm

Sorry for the delay there, internet issues.

4:47pm

78 minutes: Town survive a real scare as first Edwards’ shot is blocked en route to goal, before his second attempt thunders away off the bar.

4:38pm

SUBSTITUTION: Henderson off and Bobson Bawling

4:37pm

76 minutes: Kasim is the next to shoot but his effort is well wide.

4:35pm

74 minutes: Williams wins a corner but it only leads to Branco smacking the ball out of the ground.

4:31pm

Town are 22-5 up on the shot clock this afternoon, but the hosts have had the only one that matters.

4:29pm

SUBSTITUTION: Will Randall is on for Jack Barthram. 68

4:28pm

67 minutes: Branco launches a back pass at Foderingham from the edge of the centre circle, which the Town keep has to control with his head to stop it finding the net.

4:25pm

64 minutes: Conor Henderson’s shot is straight at Foderingham.

4:23pm

SUBSTITUTION: Tomlin off and replaced by Charles Banya. 63

4:19pm

A few disagreements in the press box over the award of that penalty. Some believe Louis got the ball while others, including myself, don't think he did.

Guess we'll have to wait until the Football League Show to find out.

4:18pm

ATTENDANCE: 2,710 (667 away fans)

Town fans in good voice today, but no way is there 667 of them here.

4:16pm

GOAL, 1-0 CRAWLEY: McLeod sends Foderingham the wrong way from the spot and the Red Devils are one up.

4:13pm

RED CARD: Jensen launches a long ball forward as Crawley break, with Thompson desperately trying to get back and dragging down Tomlin in the box. The town midfielder is shown a straight red as the ref points to the spot.

4:11pm

50 minutes: Luongo forces a great save from Jensen.

4:08pm

48 minutes: Smith’s left footed shot is just over the top.

4:05pm

We're back underway

4:04pm

SUBSTITUTION: Gladwin off, Williams on.

3:53pm

ANALYSIS

A really good opening 30 minutes from Town but Crawley showed their dangerous side in the final 15. It's a tough pitch to play on but the Robins are passing it about really well, with Luongo, Gladwin and L Thompson at the heart of everything Town are doing going forward.

The long ball over the top is still an issue though.

3:51pm

3:47pm

HALF-TIME: Crawley Town 0 Swindon Town 0

3:47pm

YELLOW CARD: The ball over the top puts Town under pressure again as Tomlin battles with Nathan Thompson, before hitting the deck after Foderingham stuck out a leg. Fortunately for Town, the referee books the Crawley man for diving, rather than giving what could easily have been a penalty. 44

3:44pm

YELLOW CARD: Branco is the first into the book after a foul on Dickson as the hosts tried to break. 40

3:42pm

38 minutes: Ryan Dickson’s cross is misjudged by Foderingham, Nathan Thompson and Jordan Turnbull, leaving Izale Mcleod a free header, but he puts it over.

3:41pm

37 minutes: Luongo is the next to test Jensen but his low shot is easy for the Dane to deal with.

3:39pm

35 minutes: Tomlin forces Foderingham into action for the first time but the Town keeper gets down to his right really well to palm away.

3:33pm

29 minutes: Luongo delightfully lays the ball into the path of Smith but the striker’s shot is deflected up in the air and into the arms of Jensen.

3:31pm

26 minutes: Town work the ball up to the edge of the box before Gladwin curls over the top.

3:23pm

Town are well in control of this. Some great football so far.

3:21pm

17 minutes: Panic in the home box as Byrne again gets into the box but Smith’s shot from his pass goes behind.

Luongo’s near post header is saved by Jensen before Bradley has to turn Bradley’s shot around for another corner. Town soon win another corner, which comes out to Byrne, but the wing back only fires wide. Very wide.

3:19pm

15 minutes: A sublime cross-field ball from Barthram finds Byrne, who jinks inside and lays it back for Kasim who drills wide.

3:15pm

11 minutes: A great driving run from Louis Thompson ends with a rocket of a shot, which Jensen has to dramatically turn over the top. Barthram’s low corner comes to nothing as Luongo losses the ball.

3:14pm

10 minutes: Byrne’s cross is headed back into the mix by Barthram, but Smith is only able to get a weak header on the ball and it’s straight at keeper Jensen.

3:11pm

Eight minutes: Leacock gives away the first corner of the game, but Town can’t make anything of it as Branco fouls Sonny Bradley.

3:09pm

Six minutes: Luongo has the first sight of goal but curls wide from the edge of the box with his left foot.

3:07pm

Three minutes: Byrne drives across from right back and has the chance to shoot, but opts to keep the ball and loses possession.

3:06pm

The Crawley pitch is looking really quite heavy. Ball not rolling all that well.

3:05pm

No chances so far in the opening minutes but Town are keeping the ball well and looking to get forward when they can. Byrne and Gladwin seeing plenty of it.

3:01pm

We are off and running, remember Matchday Live updates are on a three-minute delay due to Football League rules.

3:01pm

Crawley are kicking off and attack the end housing the town fans this afternoon.

2:58pm

Right, here come the teams. Town are wearing their presentation jackets again

2:54pm

Crawley are looking to do a 'wall of colour' with some red card when the teams come out. Judging by how poorly populated the stand opposite us is, it will be more like a wind break on a beach than a wall.

2:49pm

For you betting fans Will Hill have Town at 21/10 to win this, not a bad shout, you can get a draw for the same price if you're feeling a bit more conservative. Other bookies are available.

2:45pm

ADVER PREDICTIONS

2:42pm

YOUR SAY

2:41pm

REF WATCH

This afternoon's referee is James Linington. He's showed eight yellow and one red card in his first two games this season.

Last time was in charge of Town was their 2-1 JPT win over Plymouth early last season.

2:32pm

The danger man for Crawley today has to be Izale McLeod, always a threat at this level and has scored twice in two games for the Red Devils. Much to annoyance of my colleague Andy Warren one of those was the injury time winner against his Tractor Boys in the Capital One Cup on Tuesday night.

Swindon Advertiser:

2:26pm

LAST TIME HERE

Last time the Robins came to Broadfield the two teams served up a very dull 0-0 draw last November. The only 'highlight' being Nathan Byrne's late red card which seemed a silly decision.

Swindon Advertiser: Nathan Byrne has joined Crawley on loan from Tottenham

NATHAN BYRNE IN HIS CRAWLEY DAYS

 

2:18pm

Not a lot of action around The Broadfield yet, fans dribbling in. I imagine Swindon's travelling darts fans might have been to check out the sporting mecca that is Crawley's K2 Leisure Centre, maybe.

Swindon Advertiser: Dennis Smith, left, and 16-time world darts champion Phil Taylor

2:17pm

2:15pm

Town players are out to begin their warm-up, wearing black shorts which is pleasing given the red short debacle of Tuesday night.

2:12pm

BREAKING TEAM NEWS

Crawley Town v STFC: Jensen; Oyebanjo, Dickson, Henderson, Leacock, Bradley, Edwards, Smith, McLeod, Walsh, Tomlin.

Subs: Young, Banya, Rose, Bawling, O'Connor, Richeford and Spiegel.

2:10pm

Some other vaguely STFC news this morning is that Nile Ranger has joined Blackpool on a one-year deal

Swindon Advertiser: Saturday 1.32pm: Nile Ranger himself announces his involvement on Instagram

NILE RANGER

2:08pm

PREDICTIONS

2:07pm

2:04pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Northern Red says

Sean Morrison to Cardiff for 4 million.
Anyone know if Swindon get a cut of that?

There's no sell on there unfortunately.

2:07pm

So Louis Thompson is fit to keep his place which is good news for Town.

2:03pm

BREAKING TEAM NEWS

Crawley Town v STFC: Foderingham, Thompson N (C), Branco, Turnbull, Byrne, Kasim, Luongo, Thompson L, Barthram, Gladwin, Smith M

Subs: Belford, Lelan, Marshall, Randall, Waldon, Barker, Williams

1:59pm

Team news should be here in the next few minutes, with Brad Smith and Anton Rodgers definitely out and Louis Thompson doubtful.

Swindon Advertiser: Town goal scorer Louis Thompson

LOUIS THOMPSON

 

1:54pm

1:51pm

A bit of news from this morning, where Town have been drawn to play Newport County in the first round of the Johnstone's Paint Trophy.

The game will be played week beginning September 1.

Swindon Advertiser: Newport County AFC versus Wycombe Wanderers
TIGHT SITUATION Lee Minshull with ball (9105120)

1:47pm

Some patches of blue sky are sneaking through the clouds and the pitch looks in good nick, so we should be in for a good game this afternoon.

1:45pm

Good afternoon everyone and welcome to the Adver's live coverage of Town's trip to Sussex to take on Crawley.

12:36pm

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1:32pm Sat 16 Aug 14

London Red says...

Ranger has signed for Blackpool
.
Really hope he has turned over a new leaf - otherwise that is a recipe for disaster!
Ranger has signed for Blackpool . Really hope he has turned over a new leaf - otherwise that is a recipe for disaster! London Red
  • Score: 2

1:36pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Paddy's wigwam says...

Beat me to it London Red... That could get very messy!!
Beat me to it London Red... That could get very messy!! Paddy's wigwam
  • Score: 0

2:04pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Northern Red says...

Sean Morrison to Cardiff for 4 million.
Anyone know if Swindon get a cut of that?
Sean Morrison to Cardiff for 4 million. Anyone know if Swindon get a cut of that? Northern Red
  • Score: 0

2:07pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Northern Red says...

Ranger, a man of loose morals, goes to Blackpool, a town of loose morals.
Barring prison, I'd have thought Blackpool is the best place for him!
Ranger, a man of loose morals, goes to Blackpool, a town of loose morals. Barring prison, I'd have thought Blackpool is the best place for him! Northern Red
  • Score: 0

2:10pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Northern Red says...

No sell on?
Bit naive of the administration at the time (I forget who it was that week!)
Hopefully LP is wise enough to put sell ons on any of our young starlets when they move on...
No sell on? Bit naive of the administration at the time (I forget who it was that week!) Hopefully LP is wise enough to put sell ons on any of our young starlets when they move on... Northern Red
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Sat 16 Aug 14

port de soller says...

Ranger was a problem player with all kinds of baggage yet when he was on form he did well for STFC.Hope he has turned the corner and does well at Blackpool
Ranger was a problem player with all kinds of baggage yet when he was on form he did well for STFC.Hope he has turned the corner and does well at Blackpool port de soller
  • Score: 4

2:48pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Since 1950 says...

Bert's babes. Now, Come on Coopers Kids!!
COYR!
Bert's babes. Now, Come on Coopers Kids!! COYR! Since 1950
  • Score: 0

3:35pm Sat 16 Aug 14

california andy says...

COYR. Let's have another good result. Great that Louis can play.
COYR. Let's have another good result. Great that Louis can play. california andy
  • Score: 1

4:06pm Sat 16 Aug 14

port de soller says...

Good 45 minutes however the ball over the top maybe a mega problem in the 2nd half
Good 45 minutes however the ball over the top maybe a mega problem in the 2nd half port de soller
  • Score: 0

4:10pm Sat 16 Aug 14

jason900 says...

thats unjust - dominated then concede a pen!!
thats unjust - dominated then concede a pen!! jason900
  • Score: 0

4:16pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Since 1950 says...

That's the problem playing a high line. We're very subject to be caught by route one. Paid the price for not capitalising on the first half pressure.
That's the problem playing a high line. We're very subject to be caught by route one. Paid the price for not capitalising on the first half pressure. Since 1950
  • Score: 0

4:24pm Sat 16 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

port de soller wrote:
Good 45 minutes however the ball over the top maybe a mega problem in the 2nd half
Hi oh hi ho with our dwarf like defence we go! Very prophetic Stuie boy! Long ball down the middle defence caught napping and LT gets sent off. Can't see us getting owt today with 10 men and Wilma on!
Got no answer to route 1 football from Crawley at the moment it seems.
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Good 45 minutes however the ball over the top maybe a mega problem in the 2nd half[/p][/quote]Hi oh hi ho with our dwarf like defence we go! Very prophetic Stuie boy! Long ball down the middle defence caught napping and LT gets sent off. Can't see us getting owt today with 10 men and Wilma on! Got no answer to route 1 football from Crawley at the moment it seems. The Jockster
  • Score: -1

4:31pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Di kanny oh says...

Northern Red wrote:
Sean Morrison to Cardiff for 4 million.
Anyone know if Swindon get a cut of that?
not a penny
[quote][p][bold]Northern Red[/bold] wrote: Sean Morrison to Cardiff for 4 million. Anyone know if Swindon get a cut of that?[/p][/quote]not a penny Di kanny oh
  • Score: 0

4:40pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Blazing Riff says...

Currently, BBC stats show 25 shots by us but the problem is only 7 have been on target!
Currently, BBC stats show 25 shots by us but the problem is only 7 have been on target! Blazing Riff
  • Score: 0

4:46pm Sat 16 Aug 14

umpcah says...

It doesn`t seem to be our day today. Cant win them all I suppose !
It doesn`t seem to be our day today. Cant win them all I suppose ! umpcah
  • Score: 0

4:51pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Di kanny oh says...

No plan B especially with 10 men poor day out really should be looking to get something at dumps like this.
No plan B especially with 10 men poor day out really should be looking to get something at dumps like this. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 0

5:03pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Blazing Riff says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
No plan B especially with 10 men poor day out really should be looking to get something at dumps like this.
Not sure we needed a plan B when we had 26 shots and 16 corners. Just someone capable of sticking the ball in the net!
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: No plan B especially with 10 men poor day out really should be looking to get something at dumps like this.[/p][/quote]Not sure we needed a plan B when we had 26 shots and 16 corners. Just someone capable of sticking the ball in the net! Blazing Riff
  • Score: 8

5:04pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Blazing Riff says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
No plan B especially with 10 men poor day out really should be looking to get something at dumps like this.
Not really sure we needed a plan B with 25 shots and 16 corners! Just someone who could stick the ball in the net.
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: No plan B especially with 10 men poor day out really should be looking to get something at dumps like this.[/p][/quote]Not really sure we needed a plan B with 25 shots and 16 corners! Just someone who could stick the ball in the net. Blazing Riff
  • Score: 0

5:42pm Sat 16 Aug 14

NEWBURYREDS says...

Cooper is sounding like john Gorman every time he speaks = best team but lost! id rather play crap and win, but their still young boys, so lets hope those chances will go in at the gills
Cooper is sounding like john Gorman every time he speaks = best team but lost! id rather play crap and win, but their still young boys, so lets hope those chances will go in at the gills NEWBURYREDS
  • Score: 3

6:33pm Sat 16 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Blazing Riff wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
No plan B especially with 10 men poor day out really should be looking to get something at dumps like this.
Not really sure we needed a plan B with 25 shots and 16 corners! Just someone who could stick the ball in the net.
DKO last seasons game against Crawley was dire and I didn't fancy a repeat dose. Riff is right, Smith for all his success so far this season won't score every fame and his job is bade harder when teams like Crawley park the bus. Wilma will never be much help I'm afraid despite all the effort and running. In games like this we need players who can mix it and as talented as our midfielders are grafters they ain't. Riff is right we need at least an average regular goalscorer and Smith might be that man but a backup option is needed and Gladwin & Wilma aren't it.
Sounds like their penalty may have been a bit dubious but that's football you don't get the rub of the green every time.
Pikeys on Tuesday will be a similar prospect and Cooperman and his team gave to work in finding an alternative playing approach when the fancy dan pretty stuff doesn't work or is stifled by the opposition.
[quote][p][bold]Blazing Riff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: No plan B especially with 10 men poor day out really should be looking to get something at dumps like this.[/p][/quote]Not really sure we needed a plan B with 25 shots and 16 corners! Just someone who could stick the ball in the net.[/p][/quote]DKO last seasons game against Crawley was dire and I didn't fancy a repeat dose. Riff is right, Smith for all his success so far this season won't score every fame and his job is bade harder when teams like Crawley park the bus. Wilma will never be much help I'm afraid despite all the effort and running. In games like this we need players who can mix it and as talented as our midfielders are grafters they ain't. Riff is right we need at least an average regular goalscorer and Smith might be that man but a backup option is needed and Gladwin & Wilma aren't it. Sounds like their penalty may have been a bit dubious but that's football you don't get the rub of the green every time. Pikeys on Tuesday will be a similar prospect and Cooperman and his team gave to work in finding an alternative playing approach when the fancy dan pretty stuff doesn't work or is stifled by the opposition. The Jockster
  • Score: -2

7:21pm Sat 16 Aug 14

igiwigi says...

"I wus there".


Swindon dominated the whole match ,but caught again by the ball over the top!!!

I thought that they had stopped this on the training pitch after the Luton match and Scunthorpe.

We have all the skill to kill ,but heartbreakingly we have not got a decent striker.
Kasim has got to distribute the ball quicker as he sometimes gets caught and the opposition are then on goal.
Luongo you cannot fault and williams played a good game today.
Do not put Branco on the wing!!NoNoNon!!!

I think Swindon have a lot of positives from this game and they will have to be on their metal against Gillingham

DO NOT KEEP PASSING BACK SWINDON!!! "GO FORWARD "
"I wus there". Swindon dominated the whole match ,but caught again by the ball over the top!!! I thought that they had stopped this on the training pitch after the Luton match and Scunthorpe. We have all the skill to kill ,but heartbreakingly we have not got a decent striker. Kasim has got to distribute the ball quicker as he sometimes gets caught and the opposition are then on goal. Luongo you cannot fault and williams played a good game today. Do not put Branco on the wing!!NoNoNon!!! I think Swindon have a lot of positives from this game and they will have to be on their metal against Gillingham DO NOT KEEP PASSING BACK SWINDON!!! "GO FORWARD " igiwigi
  • Score: 1

7:35pm Sat 16 Aug 14

akershaker says...

igiwigi wrote:
"I wus there".


Swindon dominated the whole match ,but caught again by the ball over the top!!!

I thought that they had stopped this on the training pitch after the Luton match and Scunthorpe.

We have all the skill to kill ,but heartbreakingly we have not got a decent striker.
Kasim has got to distribute the ball quicker as he sometimes gets caught and the opposition are then on goal.
Luongo you cannot fault and williams played a good game today.
Do not put Branco on the wing!!NoNoNon!!!

I think Swindon have a lot of positives from this game and they will have to be on their metal against Gillingham

DO NOT KEEP PASSING BACK SWINDON!!! "GO FORWARD "
They pass back because there isnt an option to play a short forward pass. The tactic is to keep possession and draw the opposition out to create space to play into. It's patient play. The alternative is head tennis. The people shouting "play it forward" are the same who used to shout "get it down."
[quote][p][bold]igiwigi[/bold] wrote: "I wus there". Swindon dominated the whole match ,but caught again by the ball over the top!!! I thought that they had stopped this on the training pitch after the Luton match and Scunthorpe. We have all the skill to kill ,but heartbreakingly we have not got a decent striker. Kasim has got to distribute the ball quicker as he sometimes gets caught and the opposition are then on goal. Luongo you cannot fault and williams played a good game today. Do not put Branco on the wing!!NoNoNon!!! I think Swindon have a lot of positives from this game and they will have to be on their metal against Gillingham DO NOT KEEP PASSING BACK SWINDON!!! "GO FORWARD "[/p][/quote]They pass back because there isnt an option to play a short forward pass. The tactic is to keep possession and draw the opposition out to create space to play into. It's patient play. The alternative is head tennis. The people shouting "play it forward" are the same who used to shout "get it down." akershaker
  • Score: 11

7:41pm Sat 16 Aug 14

OOO-RU says...

Defensive clangers were finally cut out last season once we signed JS. Hopefully he'll be back by the weekend!
Defensive clangers were finally cut out last season once we signed JS. Hopefully he'll be back by the weekend! OOO-RU
  • Score: 3

7:51pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Wayne Allison Bromham says...

Unlucky today but certain players like Byrne only seem to fancy it when it's going our way, he's been excellent in the first few games, but think he has been flattered by opposing full backs that haven't been up to it. Crawley were a bit wiser to it today and Byrne didn't have so much success. He and Kasim look like confidence players. Today looked like we needed a good striker as much as Williams tries it just continues to not work out for him here, looked like a league 2 player today. For all the possession and shots etc we still only made Jensen make 1 really good save. Think we will dominate and score plenty at home but away is going to be much tougher for a young group of players and they are going to have to man up and show some steel if we are to make play offs or better
Unlucky today but certain players like Byrne only seem to fancy it when it's going our way, he's been excellent in the first few games, but think he has been flattered by opposing full backs that haven't been up to it. Crawley were a bit wiser to it today and Byrne didn't have so much success. He and Kasim look like confidence players. Today looked like we needed a good striker as much as Williams tries it just continues to not work out for him here, looked like a league 2 player today. For all the possession and shots etc we still only made Jensen make 1 really good save. Think we will dominate and score plenty at home but away is going to be much tougher for a young group of players and they are going to have to man up and show some steel if we are to make play offs or better Wayne Allison Bromham
  • Score: 2

8:28pm Sat 16 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

WAB - that looks like a pretty good summation to me.
WAB - that looks like a pretty good summation to me. The Jockster
  • Score: 0

9:09pm Sat 16 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

NEWBURYREDS wrote:
Cooper is sounding like john Gorman every time he speaks = best team but lost! id rather play crap and win, but their still young boys, so lets hope those chances will go in at the gills
To a point Newbury but hey, give 'em a chance! If Cooper says that 3 or 4 times in the first 10 games then I'll go along with you but we are still bedding in a very new team in a league that is yet to settle down.

We convincingly beat Scunthorpe last week who had been quite fancied before the season started but they got thumped 4-0 at home today.

Top end expectations for me would be a draw at Gillingham ( who did well today) and a win against Crewe. Having said that, a narrow loss and a draw respectively would not be disastrous at this stage.

I think we need to be far more patient before making sweeping judgements. Fair play if you went today Newbury, I won't see the Town until the Chesterfield game.
[quote][p][bold]NEWBURYREDS[/bold] wrote: Cooper is sounding like john Gorman every time he speaks = best team but lost! id rather play crap and win, but their still young boys, so lets hope those chances will go in at the gills[/p][/quote]To a point Newbury but hey, give 'em a chance! If Cooper says that 3 or 4 times in the first 10 games then I'll go along with you but we are still bedding in a very new team in a league that is yet to settle down. We convincingly beat Scunthorpe last week who had been quite fancied before the season started but they got thumped 4-0 at home today. Top end expectations for me would be a draw at Gillingham ( who did well today) and a win against Crewe. Having said that, a narrow loss and a draw respectively would not be disastrous at this stage. I think we need to be far more patient before making sweeping judgements. Fair play if you went today Newbury, I won't see the Town until the Chesterfield game. mancrobin
  • Score: 3

9:15pm Sat 16 Aug 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Firstly Since 1950 from the predictions page, sod the play-offs lets just go up automatically. I'm actually more optimistic after today. Yes it's a bad result and yes we lacked composure but if you create that many chances you'll murder teams. Just like we did a couple of years ago, a number of games we should have won we didn't followed by a five nil hammering of Tranmere and big wins thereafter.

Also I'm taking the siege mentality/hacked off players not giving interviews as a positive. Let's dig in as a team and kick the hell out of this division. Come on you Reds.....
Firstly Since 1950 from the predictions page, sod the play-offs lets just go up automatically. I'm actually more optimistic after today. Yes it's a bad result and yes we lacked composure but if you create that many chances you'll murder teams. Just like we did a couple of years ago, a number of games we should have won we didn't followed by a five nil hammering of Tranmere and big wins thereafter. Also I'm taking the siege mentality/hacked off players not giving interviews as a positive. Let's dig in as a team and kick the hell out of this division. Come on you Reds..... dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 10

10:41pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Wayne Allison Bromham says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Firstly Since 1950 from the predictions page, sod the play-offs lets just go up automatically. I'm actually more optimistic after today. Yes it's a bad result and yes we lacked composure but if you create that many chances you'll murder teams. Just like we did a couple of years ago, a number of games we should have won we didn't followed by a five nil hammering of Tranmere and big wins thereafter.

Also I'm taking the siege mentality/hacked off players not giving interviews as a positive. Let's dig in as a team and kick the hell out of this division. Come on you Reds.....
Good points here, we have to stick to our style of play and keep hammering away at teams, breaking them down
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Firstly Since 1950 from the predictions page, sod the play-offs lets just go up automatically. I'm actually more optimistic after today. Yes it's a bad result and yes we lacked composure but if you create that many chances you'll murder teams. Just like we did a couple of years ago, a number of games we should have won we didn't followed by a five nil hammering of Tranmere and big wins thereafter. Also I'm taking the siege mentality/hacked off players not giving interviews as a positive. Let's dig in as a team and kick the hell out of this division. Come on you Reds.....[/p][/quote]Good points here, we have to stick to our style of play and keep hammering away at teams, breaking them down Wayne Allison Bromham
  • Score: 2

11:07pm Sat 16 Aug 14

stranglers says...

We lost, nothing else to say.
We lost, nothing else to say. stranglers
  • Score: -14

7:51am Sun 17 Aug 14

umpcah says...

stranglers wrote:
We lost, nothing else to say.
So did Manchester United ! It happens.
[quote][p][bold]stranglers[/bold] wrote: We lost, nothing else to say.[/p][/quote]So did Manchester United ! It happens. umpcah
  • Score: 5

9:45am Sun 17 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

Whether the penalty decision was harsh or not, surely the bigger worry for Cooper is the fact that one of his midfielders was the last man and had to resort to a desperate attempt to prevent a goal. Aren't we supposed to have three central defenders?

It's interesting that on Tuesday night, people who were at the other end of the ground - or not even there - insisted they knew better about a penalty decision than a linesman with an unobstructed view from a few yards away, yet now our manager and players are up in arms because the ref has ignored the fact that a linesman with a good view did not signal for a penalty!

manc, Crawley signed 17 players in the close season. Now that's what I call bedding in a new team. They've had three wins from three games and not conceded a goal. I'm not unhappy with our start to the season but I don't think we should look for excuses every time we get a bad result. In our three games to date we've been caught out with a high ball in exactly the same area of the pitch. Cooper needs to get on that case.
Whether the penalty decision was harsh or not, surely the bigger worry for Cooper is the fact that one of his midfielders was the last man and had to resort to a desperate attempt to prevent a goal. Aren't we supposed to have three central defenders? It's interesting that on Tuesday night, people who were at the other end of the ground - or not even there - insisted they knew better about a penalty decision than a linesman with an unobstructed view from a few yards away, yet now our manager and players are up in arms because the ref has ignored the fact that a linesman with a good view did not signal for a penalty! manc, Crawley signed 17 players in the close season. Now that's what I call bedding in a new team. They've had three wins from three games and not conceded a goal. I'm not unhappy with our start to the season but I don't think we should look for excuses every time we get a bad result. In our three games to date we've been caught out with a high ball in exactly the same area of the pitch. Cooper needs to get on that case. Oi Den!
  • Score: 3

10:56am Sun 17 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

Den, I agree, we clearly have a problem at the back but Cooper has admitted that and says he is working on it. Stephens might also be here shortly.

Also agree with those that heroic defeats are not much use to anyone but I'm sure most fans who were at Molyneaux last season and all those who experienced the 93/94 season will agree it can be fantastic entertainment.

Like you Den, I'm not unhappy with the start but the results to date prove very little either way.

Here's to a great performance against our Kentish friends.
Den, I agree, we clearly have a problem at the back but Cooper has admitted that and says he is working on it. Stephens might also be here shortly. Also agree with those that heroic defeats are not much use to anyone but I'm sure most fans who were at Molyneaux last season and all those who experienced the 93/94 season will agree it can be fantastic entertainment. Like you Den, I'm not unhappy with the start but the results to date prove very little either way. Here's to a great performance against our Kentish friends. mancrobin
  • Score: 1

11:03am Sun 17 Aug 14

Robinonfire says...

We need a forward... Williams not up to it.
We need a forward... Williams not up to it. Robinonfire
  • Score: -4

12:26pm Sun 17 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Robinonfire wrote:
We need a forward... Williams not up to it.
Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why!
[quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: We need a forward... Williams not up to it.[/p][/quote]Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why! The Jockster
  • Score: -5

1:12pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Paddy's wigwam says...

Jack Stephens is on the bench today for Saints.. Somehow, i can't see him coming back to us for this season. Shame really cos he looked a good player.
Jack Stephens is on the bench today for Saints.. Somehow, i can't see him coming back to us for this season. Shame really cos he looked a good player. Paddy's wigwam
  • Score: 0

3:00pm Sun 17 Aug 14

smirg kcab says...

The Jockster wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
We need a forward... Williams not up to it.
Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why!
Even di canio would have kicked him out and he signed him lol.
Phone mr cooper and tell him Stephens would rather be on the bench than come to this tin pot club
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: We need a forward... Williams not up to it.[/p][/quote]Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why![/p][/quote]Even di canio would have kicked him out and he signed him lol. Phone mr cooper and tell him Stephens would rather be on the bench than come to this tin pot club smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

3:06pm Sun 17 Aug 14

smirg kcab says...

The Jockster wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
We need a forward... Williams not up to it.
Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why!
As the famous lyrics of Hugh Cornwell said
I said something better change
Change
Change
Change
Change
Change
Change
Chaaaannnngggeeeee
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: We need a forward... Williams not up to it.[/p][/quote]Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why![/p][/quote]As the famous lyrics of Hugh Cornwell said I said something better change Change Change Change Change Change Change Chaaaannnngggeeeee smirg kcab
  • Score: -1

3:22pm Sun 17 Aug 14

smirg kcab says...

I will pay for a plane with a banner with Stephens is not coming
Perhaps it may sink in to the fans and manager
Wouldn't bet on it tho
I will pay for a plane with a banner with Stephens is not coming Perhaps it may sink in to the fans and manager Wouldn't bet on it tho smirg kcab
  • Score: -2

4:50pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Chish and Fips says...

smirg kcab wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
We need a forward... Williams not up to it.
Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why!
Even di canio would have kicked him out and he signed him lol.
Phone mr cooper and tell him Stephens would rather be on the bench than come to this tin pot club
Grim did you not say the player Soton bought for that position was injured - could this be why Stephens was bench-warming today.

Any chance of you 'Wing- Walking' on that banner plane as well :o)
I'll chip in for the costs.. ☺
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: We need a forward... Williams not up to it.[/p][/quote]Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why![/p][/quote]Even di canio would have kicked him out and he signed him lol. Phone mr cooper and tell him Stephens would rather be on the bench than come to this tin pot club[/p][/quote]Grim did you not say the player Soton bought for that position was injured - could this be why Stephens was bench-warming today. Any chance of you 'Wing- Walking' on that banner plane as well :o) I'll chip in for the costs.. ☺ Chish and Fips
  • Score: 1

6:00pm Sun 17 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
We need a forward... Williams not up to it.
Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why!
Even di canio would have kicked him out and he signed him lol.
Phone mr cooper and tell him Stephens would rather be on the bench than come to this tin pot club
Grim did you not say the player Soton bought for that position was injured - could this be why Stephens was bench-warming today.

Any chance of you 'Wing- Walking' on that banner plane as well :o)
I'll chip in for the costs.. ☺
You'll chip!! in eh! What a king Edward or Maris Piper? I'll bet you'll only do it on the condition he's not strapped in lol!
I'm with him on the Stephens front though, can't see him coming at all really and if he does it might be later in the season when the Flying Dutchman has had a chance to assess his back 4/5 in action and then decide whether or not he can release Stephens.
What worries me is that Cooperman seems to be biding his time over the issue.
I may not be Ron Manager but what was the idea of playing Branco out wide - wouldn't we be better with him in the middle, NT at rb & NB in front of him as the attacking wing back?
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: We need a forward... Williams not up to it.[/p][/quote]Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why![/p][/quote]Even di canio would have kicked him out and he signed him lol. Phone mr cooper and tell him Stephens would rather be on the bench than come to this tin pot club[/p][/quote]Grim did you not say the player Soton bought for that position was injured - could this be why Stephens was bench-warming today. Any chance of you 'Wing- Walking' on that banner plane as well :o) I'll chip in for the costs.. ☺[/p][/quote]You'll chip!! in eh! What a king Edward or Maris Piper? I'll bet you'll only do it on the condition he's not strapped in lol! I'm with him on the Stephens front though, can't see him coming at all really and if he does it might be later in the season when the Flying Dutchman has had a chance to assess his back 4/5 in action and then decide whether or not he can release Stephens. What worries me is that Cooperman seems to be biding his time over the issue. I may not be Ron Manager but what was the idea of playing Branco out wide - wouldn't we be better with him in the middle, NT at rb & NB in front of him as the attacking wing back? The Jockster
  • Score: -3

10:09pm Sun 17 Aug 14

old town robin says...

The Jockster wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
We need a forward... Williams not up to it.
Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why!
Even di canio would have kicked him out and he signed him lol.
Phone mr cooper and tell him Stephens would rather be on the bench than come to this tin pot club
Grim did you not say the player Soton bought for that position was injured - could this be why Stephens was bench-warming today.

Any chance of you 'Wing- Walking' on that banner plane as well :o)
I'll chip in for the costs.. ☺
You'll chip!! in eh! What a king Edward or Maris Piper? I'll bet you'll only do it on the condition he's not strapped in lol!
I'm with him on the Stephens front though, can't see him coming at all really and if he does it might be later in the season when the Flying Dutchman has had a chance to assess his back 4/5 in action and then decide whether or not he can release Stephens.
What worries me is that Cooperman seems to be biding his time over the issue.
I may not be Ron Manager but what was the idea of playing Branco out wide - wouldn't we be better with him in the middle, NT at rb & NB in front of him as the attacking wing back?
I've been away for the weekend and only just catching up with the comments and opinions of the fans. Seems to be real mixed bag of differences and worryingly no urgency from MC to change things as he thinks everything is hunky-dory as long as we play nice football..

my first concern would be on top of our injuries to Brad Smith and Anton Rodgers we now lose another player with a suspension. we've now lost 3 of our very small squad. I really hoped there was going to be an improvement this season with our shocking disciplinary record, but it seems we have learned nothing as we continue to accumulate reds and yellows and the Thompson's are at the fore with the count. I haven't seen the sending off offence but if as others have said it was a tackle from behind in the penalty area, it would seem to me to be very risky knowing the quality of referee's at this level is poor and are just looking to get the cards out of their pocket.

The second concern I would have is nearly everyone interested in STFC have acknowledged we have a serious centre back problem as every opponent exploits the ball over the top which is our Achilles heel, but still there seems that nothing has been done to combat that tactic as we continue to play short players out of position to deal with it and then unbelievably according to reports play a centre back on the right wing, what is that all about, can anyone enlighten me as to what Mark Cooper's thinking with that move.

My third concern, as many of us have already said, we can't depend on Michael Smith to be our only source of goals, apart from 1 from Luango nobody else is contributing and there doesn't seem like there are any new faces coming in any time soon to strengthen the team.

In short we continue on from last season to fail to get results on the road against teams we dominate, our discipline remains poor, our defensive tactics are bizarre, we are short of a striker to support Smith and we can't get in any of our supposed targets. These are facts not me moaning about one poor result. I really hope Cooper address the obvious and we get a result against the Gills.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: We need a forward... Williams not up to it.[/p][/quote]Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why![/p][/quote]Even di canio would have kicked him out and he signed him lol. Phone mr cooper and tell him Stephens would rather be on the bench than come to this tin pot club[/p][/quote]Grim did you not say the player Soton bought for that position was injured - could this be why Stephens was bench-warming today. Any chance of you 'Wing- Walking' on that banner plane as well :o) I'll chip in for the costs.. ☺[/p][/quote]You'll chip!! in eh! What a king Edward or Maris Piper? I'll bet you'll only do it on the condition he's not strapped in lol! I'm with him on the Stephens front though, can't see him coming at all really and if he does it might be later in the season when the Flying Dutchman has had a chance to assess his back 4/5 in action and then decide whether or not he can release Stephens. What worries me is that Cooperman seems to be biding his time over the issue. I may not be Ron Manager but what was the idea of playing Branco out wide - wouldn't we be better with him in the middle, NT at rb & NB in front of him as the attacking wing back?[/p][/quote]I've been away for the weekend and only just catching up with the comments and opinions of the fans. Seems to be real mixed bag of differences and worryingly no urgency from MC to change things as he thinks everything is hunky-dory as long as we play nice football.. my first concern would be on top of our injuries to Brad Smith and Anton Rodgers we now lose another player with a suspension. we've now lost 3 of our very small squad. I really hoped there was going to be an improvement this season with our shocking disciplinary record, but it seems we have learned nothing as we continue to accumulate reds and yellows and the Thompson's are at the fore with the count. I haven't seen the sending off offence but if as others have said it was a tackle from behind in the penalty area, it would seem to me to be very risky knowing the quality of referee's at this level is poor and are just looking to get the cards out of their pocket. The second concern I would have is nearly everyone interested in STFC have acknowledged we have a serious centre back problem as every opponent exploits the ball over the top which is our Achilles heel, but still there seems that nothing has been done to combat that tactic as we continue to play short players out of position to deal with it and then unbelievably according to reports play a centre back on the right wing, what is that all about, can anyone enlighten me as to what Mark Cooper's thinking with that move. My third concern, as many of us have already said, we can't depend on Michael Smith to be our only source of goals, apart from 1 from Luango nobody else is contributing and there doesn't seem like there are any new faces coming in any time soon to strengthen the team. In short we continue on from last season to fail to get results on the road against teams we dominate, our discipline remains poor, our defensive tactics are bizarre, we are short of a striker to support Smith and we can't get in any of our supposed targets. These are facts not me moaning about one poor result. I really hope Cooper address the obvious and we get a result against the Gills. old town robin
  • Score: -1

11:11pm Sun 17 Aug 14

the wizard says...

OTR, I think you are seeing it as it is, especially the concerns around cards and discipline. Its not bad stuff, like vicious tackles and sloppy stuff but a card is a card and they all add up. I think it's part of the learning curve, but it is and will cost us. I don't see any options though with such a small squad. I think survival is key on the financial front this season and the rumours are starting again, by probably the same doom mongers as before, and I don't go along all the rubbish about no smoke without fire, because court actions would have been under way by now if matters are as bad as some love to peddle. An interesting quote from Van Gaul yesterday when he said the players he wanted were just not available to strengthen his defense, so the cascade downwards didn't happen as much this summer as before in defenders that we wanted maybe and Cooper alluded to that when asked recently. I can't see us going the whole hog without more bodies and I suspect that there is no panic as promises have been made. We'll just have to do what we always do, wait and see. We have a lot of practice at that.
OTR, I think you are seeing it as it is, especially the concerns around cards and discipline. Its not bad stuff, like vicious tackles and sloppy stuff but a card is a card and they all add up. I think it's part of the learning curve, but it is and will cost us. I don't see any options though with such a small squad. I think survival is key on the financial front this season and the rumours are starting again, by probably the same doom mongers as before, and I don't go along all the rubbish about no smoke without fire, because court actions would have been under way by now if matters are as bad as some love to peddle. An interesting quote from Van Gaul yesterday when he said the players he wanted were just not available to strengthen his defense, so the cascade downwards didn't happen as much this summer as before in defenders that we wanted maybe and Cooper alluded to that when asked recently. I can't see us going the whole hog without more bodies and I suspect that there is no panic as promises have been made. We'll just have to do what we always do, wait and see. We have a lot of practice at that. the wizard
  • Score: -1

12:15am Mon 18 Aug 14

Oxon-Red says...

The Jockster wrote:
Robinonfire wrote:
We need a forward... Williams not up to it.
Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why!
I don't disagree but hasn't Mark said we need another Striker and Town would like to get one. Five goals in three games ain't too bad is it or is it because a certain player has managed to score in 75 minutes of football.

You are better than agreeing with one line ROF, or are you ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: We need a forward... Williams not up to it.[/p][/quote]Dead right! Why the thumbs down? If you don't agree state why![/p][/quote]I don't disagree but hasn't Mark said we need another Striker and Town would like to get one. Five goals in three games ain't too bad is it or is it because a certain player has managed to score in 75 minutes of football. You are better than agreeing with one line ROF, or are you ? COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 2

1:10am Mon 18 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Wizard - would that be the same doomsters & "some love to peddles" that said weeks ago there was a 20k Plod bill outstanding only for it to be revealed last week that the estimated amount owed was nearer £30k. And has it been paid yet? Err no would be the answer otherwise it'd been splashed all over the Adver.
If your take on the financial situation is correct then you're as good as saying we can wave goodbye to strengthening the squad because there's no money to spend, therefore we can expect to struggle. What quite your analogy with what Van Guul said is all about I don't know except that I don't think it has burger all to do with players being available for us.
I know you are a firm LP lover but surely you are not so naive to think that the Old Bill bill is the only major creditor who's not been paid.
OTR and others are spot on, if we don't get a decent striker to back up Smith and get some defensive cover in the middle & quick then we are in the brown stuff big time.
I've seen Scunny & Luton games and now with Crawley we've conceded 3 goals In identical fashion because we had dwarfs at the back being put under pressure by route one attacks,
Cooper & Power have simply got to sort it!
Wizard - would that be the same doomsters & "some love to peddles" that said weeks ago there was a 20k Plod bill outstanding only for it to be revealed last week that the estimated amount owed was nearer £30k. And has it been paid yet? Err no would be the answer otherwise it'd been splashed all over the Adver. If your take on the financial situation is correct then you're as good as saying we can wave goodbye to strengthening the squad because there's no money to spend, therefore we can expect to struggle. What quite your analogy with what Van Guul said is all about I don't know except that I don't think it has burger all to do with players being available for us. I know you are a firm LP lover but surely you are not so naive to think that the Old Bill bill is the only major creditor who's not been paid. OTR and others are spot on, if we don't get a decent striker to back up Smith and get some defensive cover in the middle & quick then we are in the brown stuff big time. I've seen Scunny & Luton games and now with Crawley we've conceded 3 goals In identical fashion because we had dwarfs at the back being put under pressure by route one attacks, Cooper & Power have simply got to sort it! The Jockster
  • Score: -2

6:03am Mon 18 Aug 14

the wizard says...

The Jockster wrote:
Wizard - would that be the same doomsters & "some love to peddles" that said weeks ago there was a 20k Plod bill outstanding only for it to be revealed last week that the estimated amount owed was nearer £30k. And has it been paid yet? Err no would be the answer otherwise it'd been splashed all over the Adver.
If your take on the financial situation is correct then you're as good as saying we can wave goodbye to strengthening the squad because there's no money to spend, therefore we can expect to struggle. What quite your analogy with what Van Guul said is all about I don't know except that I don't think it has burger all to do with players being available for us.
I know you are a firm LP lover but surely you are not so naive to think that the Old Bill bill is the only major creditor who's not been paid.
OTR and others are spot on, if we don't get a decent striker to back up Smith and get some defensive cover in the middle & quick then we are in the brown stuff big time.
I've seen Scunny & Luton games and now with Crawley we've conceded 3 goals In identical fashion because we had dwarfs at the back being put under pressure by route one attacks,
Cooper & Power have simply got to sort it!
Where is it revealed that the club owe the police the £30k that you speculate as I haven't seen it here, or heard it on Radio Wilts. Are there other amounts out standing ??? Really, and to whom, or is this , ah well can't reveal my sources, jobbie yet again.

yes we have conceded three goals, and no, I don't think Power has finished his dealing in the market yet, and expect a loan player or two to come in yet, and if they don't well, according to you we are skint and can't afford them, so there is your answer. Happy days. I'm not going to worry about it, but some will, to the nth degree no doubt, ah yes, the whirlpool of doom and gloom as our life on the planet depends on it, not.

Great success in the world at large yesterday and even the woman's RFU team put our so called soccer hero's to shame. At least they can win a world cup, something the pretty boys seem unable to grasp.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Wizard - would that be the same doomsters & "some love to peddles" that said weeks ago there was a 20k Plod bill outstanding only for it to be revealed last week that the estimated amount owed was nearer £30k. And has it been paid yet? Err no would be the answer otherwise it'd been splashed all over the Adver. If your take on the financial situation is correct then you're as good as saying we can wave goodbye to strengthening the squad because there's no money to spend, therefore we can expect to struggle. What quite your analogy with what Van Guul said is all about I don't know except that I don't think it has burger all to do with players being available for us. I know you are a firm LP lover but surely you are not so naive to think that the Old Bill bill is the only major creditor who's not been paid. OTR and others are spot on, if we don't get a decent striker to back up Smith and get some defensive cover in the middle & quick then we are in the brown stuff big time. I've seen Scunny & Luton games and now with Crawley we've conceded 3 goals In identical fashion because we had dwarfs at the back being put under pressure by route one attacks, Cooper & Power have simply got to sort it![/p][/quote]Where is it revealed that the club owe the police the £30k that you speculate as I haven't seen it here, or heard it on Radio Wilts. Are there other amounts out standing ??? Really, and to whom, or is this , ah well can't reveal my sources, jobbie yet again. yes we have conceded three goals, and no, I don't think Power has finished his dealing in the market yet, and expect a loan player or two to come in yet, and if they don't well, according to you we are skint and can't afford them, so there is your answer. Happy days. I'm not going to worry about it, but some will, to the nth degree no doubt, ah yes, the whirlpool of doom and gloom as our life on the planet depends on it, not. Great success in the world at large yesterday and even the woman's RFU team put our so called soccer hero's to shame. At least they can win a world cup, something the pretty boys seem unable to grasp. the wizard
  • Score: -1

7:27am Mon 18 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Wizard I suggest you check out the article in the news feed "Swindon Town pays part of Police debt". This is a follow up article to the story that broke about a week ago suggesting the club owed Plod around £30k.

I was told weeks ago that the bill was £20k and posted accordingly naming my source as a local online media one but not the Adver so hardly your "can't reveal your sources jobbie" eh? The source focusus on "all things connected with Swindon" so you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work it out.
Steve I'm happy to accept your apology for the fact that my information was basically correct with only the actual amount subject to conjecture but I'd think you'd find it difficult to accept that I wasn't right?
And you're an intelligent guy, don't you even wearing your rose tinted, just perhaps think that this might not be the only bill outstanding?
Wizard I suggest you check out the article in the news feed "Swindon Town pays part of Police debt". This is a follow up article to the story that broke about a week ago suggesting the club owed Plod around £30k. I was told weeks ago that the bill was £20k and posted accordingly naming my source as a local online media one but not the Adver so hardly your "can't reveal your sources jobbie" eh? The source focusus on "all things connected with Swindon" so you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work it out. Steve I'm happy to accept your apology for the fact that my information was basically correct with only the actual amount subject to conjecture but I'd think you'd find it difficult to accept that I wasn't right? And you're an intelligent guy, don't you even wearing your rose tinted, just perhaps think that this might not be the only bill outstanding? The Jockster
  • Score: -1

8:09am Mon 18 Aug 14

umpcah says...

The Jockster wrote:
Wizard I suggest you check out the article in the news feed "Swindon Town pays part of Police debt". This is a follow up article to the story that broke about a week ago suggesting the club owed Plod around £30k.

I was told weeks ago that the bill was £20k and posted accordingly naming my source as a local online media one but not the Adver so hardly your "can't reveal your sources jobbie" eh? The source focusus on "all things connected with Swindon" so you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work it out.
Steve I'm happy to accept your apology for the fact that my information was basically correct with only the actual amount subject to conjecture but I'd think you'd find it difficult to accept that I wasn't right?
And you're an intelligent guy, don't you even wearing your rose tinted, just perhaps think that this might not be the only bill outstanding?
" this might not be the only bill outstanding? " Part of the police debt has apparently been paid but the part could`ve been a large part with a disputed but small part " under revision " ? So much we fans don't know and possibly have no real right to know ! However most of us think there is a lot of playing for time going on in some STFC departments and it just has to be linked to availability of funds which has been admitted to.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Wizard I suggest you check out the article in the news feed "Swindon Town pays part of Police debt". This is a follow up article to the story that broke about a week ago suggesting the club owed Plod around £30k. I was told weeks ago that the bill was £20k and posted accordingly naming my source as a local online media one but not the Adver so hardly your "can't reveal your sources jobbie" eh? The source focusus on "all things connected with Swindon" so you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work it out. Steve I'm happy to accept your apology for the fact that my information was basically correct with only the actual amount subject to conjecture but I'd think you'd find it difficult to accept that I wasn't right? And you're an intelligent guy, don't you even wearing your rose tinted, just perhaps think that this might not be the only bill outstanding?[/p][/quote]" this might not be the only bill outstanding? " Part of the police debt has apparently been paid but the part could`ve been a large part with a disputed but small part " under revision " ? So much we fans don't know and possibly have no real right to know ! However most of us think there is a lot of playing for time going on in some STFC departments and it just has to be linked to availability of funds which has been admitted to. umpcah
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8:32am Mon 18 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Umps the article in question states that about a quarter of the o/s amount has been paid. If that is correct then that means 3/4 remains unpaid.
I certainly don't agree that fans don't have a right to know, if I'm investing my hard earned regularly I want to know that what I'm investing in has a business plan in place that ensures creditors bills are being paid and not mounting up to a point where administration becomes inevitable.
Umps the article in question states that about a quarter of the o/s amount has been paid. If that is correct then that means 3/4 remains unpaid. I certainly don't agree that fans don't have a right to know, if I'm investing my hard earned regularly I want to know that what I'm investing in has a business plan in place that ensures creditors bills are being paid and not mounting up to a point where administration becomes inevitable. The Jockster
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8:36am Mon 18 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

the wizard wrote:
OTR, I think you are seeing it as it is, especially the concerns around cards and discipline. Its not bad stuff, like vicious tackles and sloppy stuff but a card is a card and they all add up. I think it's part of the learning curve, but it is and will cost us. I don't see any options though with such a small squad. I think survival is key on the financial front this season and the rumours are starting again, by probably the same doom mongers as before, and I don't go along all the rubbish about no smoke without fire, because court actions would have been under way by now if matters are as bad as some love to peddle. An interesting quote from Van Gaul yesterday when he said the players he wanted were just not available to strengthen his defense, so the cascade downwards didn't happen as much this summer as before in defenders that we wanted maybe and Cooper alluded to that when asked recently. I can't see us going the whole hog without more bodies and I suspect that there is no panic as promises have been made. We'll just have to do what we always do, wait and see. We have a lot of practice at that.
Wiz, you may be right about there not being many players surplus to requirements in the higher divisions but why does that have to be our only source of signings? What about good solid lower division pros or players making their way up towards our level?
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: OTR, I think you are seeing it as it is, especially the concerns around cards and discipline. Its not bad stuff, like vicious tackles and sloppy stuff but a card is a card and they all add up. I think it's part of the learning curve, but it is and will cost us. I don't see any options though with such a small squad. I think survival is key on the financial front this season and the rumours are starting again, by probably the same doom mongers as before, and I don't go along all the rubbish about no smoke without fire, because court actions would have been under way by now if matters are as bad as some love to peddle. An interesting quote from Van Gaul yesterday when he said the players he wanted were just not available to strengthen his defense, so the cascade downwards didn't happen as much this summer as before in defenders that we wanted maybe and Cooper alluded to that when asked recently. I can't see us going the whole hog without more bodies and I suspect that there is no panic as promises have been made. We'll just have to do what we always do, wait and see. We have a lot of practice at that.[/p][/quote]Wiz, you may be right about there not being many players surplus to requirements in the higher divisions but why does that have to be our only source of signings? What about good solid lower division pros or players making their way up towards our level? Oi Den!
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12:09pm Mon 18 Aug 14

the wizard says...

The Jockster wrote:
Wizard I suggest you check out the article in the news feed "Swindon Town pays part of Police debt". This is a follow up article to the story that broke about a week ago suggesting the club owed Plod around £30k.

I was told weeks ago that the bill was £20k and posted accordingly naming my source as a local online media one but not the Adver so hardly your "can't reveal your sources jobbie" eh? The source focusus on "all things connected with Swindon" so you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work it out.
Steve I'm happy to accept your apology for the fact that my information was basically correct with only the actual amount subject to conjecture but I'd think you'd find it difficult to accept that I wasn't right?
And you're an intelligent guy, don't you even wearing your rose tinted, just perhaps think that this might not be the only bill outstanding?
Ok, that's fine with me, I only have time to read the Footie bit of The Adver and stand corrected, but I think even you know what I was getting at, some come here to peddle doom'n'gloom and to be very honest, I wasn't sure who had said what of late. I think there is more to this than what meets the eye.

I think Umpcah may also have a point, which is why an amount is still out standing, as well. These things as you know are rarely clear cut, and fair play to the club if they are disputing a bill, even if it is from the Old Bill. Obviously after such an elapsed time if the amount wasn't under dispute there would have been proceedings issued.

Den, yes that is a very valid point, but I can't help thinking back to what was said quite a while ago about our guys waiting for certain players being released for loan.

I cannot see Power letting his investment fail especially after the Jed Gate court case. We were lucky with the Spurs guys last season and I'm sure Spurs with or without their ex manager are not the only club along with Soton that we are talking to. Funny though how we have the same problems as last season, but it's early days yet.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Wizard I suggest you check out the article in the news feed "Swindon Town pays part of Police debt". This is a follow up article to the story that broke about a week ago suggesting the club owed Plod around £30k. I was told weeks ago that the bill was £20k and posted accordingly naming my source as a local online media one but not the Adver so hardly your "can't reveal your sources jobbie" eh? The source focusus on "all things connected with Swindon" so you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work it out. Steve I'm happy to accept your apology for the fact that my information was basically correct with only the actual amount subject to conjecture but I'd think you'd find it difficult to accept that I wasn't right? And you're an intelligent guy, don't you even wearing your rose tinted, just perhaps think that this might not be the only bill outstanding?[/p][/quote]Ok, that's fine with me, I only have time to read the Footie bit of The Adver and stand corrected, but I think even you know what I was getting at, some come here to peddle doom'n'gloom and to be very honest, I wasn't sure who had said what of late. I think there is more to this than what meets the eye. I think Umpcah may also have a point, which is why an amount is still out standing, as well. These things as you know are rarely clear cut, and fair play to the club if they are disputing a bill, even if it is from the Old Bill. Obviously after such an elapsed time if the amount wasn't under dispute there would have been proceedings issued. Den, yes that is a very valid point, but I can't help thinking back to what was said quite a while ago about our guys waiting for certain players being released for loan. I cannot see Power letting his investment fail especially after the Jed Gate court case. We were lucky with the Spurs guys last season and I'm sure Spurs with or without their ex manager are not the only club along with Soton that we are talking to. Funny though how we have the same problems as last season, but it's early days yet. the wizard
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