LiveMATCHDAY LIVE: Swindon Town v Coventry City

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Summary

  • Full-time: Swindon Town 1 (Branco 72) Coventry City 1 (McQuoid 41)
  • Town manager Mark Cooper made two signings yesterday - Josh Lelan and Jake Reeves.
  • Andy Williams starts despite back problem and George Barker is on the bench. Michael Smith was named in starting XI but had to pull out with Connor Waldon taking his place.

6:07pm

Cooper said that he didn't really have to say too much during the interval today.

He said: "It was easy really (the half-time team talk).

"I thought that we were playing really well, we were creating chances, we had some really good ones in the first half, it was just a case of keep going, keep playing your football and it will come – and it did."

6:04pm

YOUR SAY

5:44pm Sat 30 Aug 14

the don69 says

Another bad defensive error to gift our opponents a goal start! we MUST stop giving teams soft goals, thought Coventry were a poor side and didn't offer too much, we now got two weeks off to get our players fit and rested, I suppose a point is ok after the efforts against Brighton! but I think it's two dropped cause the Sky Blues were there for the taking, I see bad-boy Nile scored today! can't help thinking with him leading our attack we'd have a few more points in the bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6:04pm

YOUR SAY

5:26pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Scouse Red says

Rebel_phish wrote:
Good choice for the Captain's armband today. Yasir is playing well and shows a cool head.
he is quality - so much time on the ball and great with both feet - hope the vultures don't come circling!

6:03pm

YOUR SAY

5:12pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Scouse Red says

Just back from the game and thought we did ok but should have beaten what was a relatively poor Coventry side in my view. The lads tried hard and Kasim and Luongo again oozed quality and Louis Thompson put in some great tackles but we just seemed to lack penetration up front.

Waldon did ok with some nice touches before making way for Barker - not sure what he achieved after coming in though?

6:03pm

POST MATCH REACTION

Swindon Advertiser: Mark Cooper

MARK COOPER

Cooper felt that his side could have gone on and win the match we he spoke to the media afterwards.

He said: "I thought that we could have won game.

"We went behind to Coventry’s only shot in the first half, after having numerous chances ourselves.

"It was a really sloppy goal from ourselves. We found ourselves one goal down at half-time, I always felt that we would get back into it and we did.

"I fancied us to go on and win it but I felt the exertions from the game on Tuesday had really taken it out of us."

4:53pm

That will go down as a good point for Town given the build up they have had

4:52pm

FT Town 1 Coventry 1

4:50pm

90 +2: Jackson fires wide

4:48pm

There will be 4 extra mins

4:47pm

90 - Luongo fires high and wide

4:46pm

Attendance: 7,299

4:44pm

86 - Cov change Swanson on for Miller

4:43pm

85 - Shot from distance from Luongo straight at Allsop

4:41pm

84 - Luongo heads on to the roof of the net following Smith's corner

4:41pm

83 - Kasim fires the free-kick just over, Allsop must have got a touch because it's a corner

4:40pm

82 - Town free-kick on the edge of the area, Barker, brought down

4:38pm

Town are piling on the pressure now with 10 minutes to go

4:34pm

77 - Williams heads over from a Brad Smith corner

4:32pm

74 - Haynes clears the corner for Coventry

4:32pm

74 - Williams wins Town a corner

4:30pm

72 - Bryne sends in the cross and Branco stoops to head the ball home

4:30pm

GGGOOOAAAALLLLL Branco

4:29pm

72 - Town corner

4:26pm

68 - Turnbull shoots from distance but goes harmlessly wide

4:25pm

67 - Turnbull booked for throwing the ball away, silly

4:22pm

64 - Foderingham makes a great save and Town on the attack and Brad Smith fires wide

4:21pm

63 - Town sub: George Barker on for Waldon, he's impressed today

4:19pm

61 - Cov sub: Jackson on for Tudgay, Miller on for McQuoid

4:18pm

60 - Johnson booked for going through the back of Luongo

4:17pm

59 - Free-kick Town. Coventry still waiting to make their change

4:16pm

Coventry about to make a change

4:15pm

57 - Long range strike from Williams that nearly hits the corner flag

4:13pm

56 - Tudgay side foots a shot just wide as Coventry go on the attack

4:09pm

52 - Haynes skips past his marker, gets in a cross but Tudgay couldn't keep his header down

4:07pm

49 - Brad Smith swings it in but Waldon can't connect

4:07pm

49 - Town corner

4:04pm

YOUR SAY
 

4:03pm

YOUR SAY

4:00pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Sliderman says

Unlucky town, given all the injuries and the new signings what happened to Will Randall the local lad who appeared to be linking up well with the strikers ? Not seen him lately ? Sure that would encourage local support ! :))

4:03pm

We are underway again

4:02pm

The players, including Wes Fodeingham, are back on the pitch

3:59pm

YOUR SAY
 

3:58pm

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3:57pm

YOUR SAY
 

3:57pm

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3:53pm

What is a worry though is that Tyrell Belford is being put through his paces during the interval.

Foderingham received treatment after goal and it appears could be bad enough to take him out of the game.

3:52pm

Town shouldn't be too down-hearted from that opening 45 minutes. They got punished for one error

3:47pm

HT Town 0, Coventry 1

3:47pm

45+1 - Kasim's effort, which should have been 15 yards closer, goes straight into Allsop's hands

3:46pm

Town have a free-kick

3:45pm

2 mins added on

3:45pm

Belford is warming up, Cooper obviously concerned with Foderingham's injury

3:43pm

Wes is back up and we start again

3:42pm

That was Coventry's first shot at goal and they scored, they capitalised an error and punished Town

3:41pm

Foderingham now getting treatment to his arm

3:41pm

41 - McQoid puts Coventry into the lead after running on a pass from O'Brien following a mistake from Lelan

3:39pm

39 - First shot comes from Town, Louis Thompson plays in Luongo but his shot is well saved by Allsop

3:35pm

35 - Some nice build up play from Town, but Waldon had strayed offside

3:33pm

33 - Great ball from Luongo and a great run from Byrne, but Coventry again cut the ball out

3:28pm

28 - Some nice play from Byrne out on the right wing, but Coventry deal with the cross comfortably

3:25pm

25 - Byrne has gone down, he slipped and stayed on the ground, but back to his feet now

3:22pm

22 - Luongo attempts to play in Waldon but he can't get on the end of the ball

3:20pm

20 - It's still 0-0 and we have yet to see a shot

3:13pm

12 minutes gone and attacks from both sides have been at a premium

3:09pm

It has been a good start from Waldon so far, looking strong and quick

3:08pm

Still waiting for the 1st shot of the match, but Town are looking comfortable

3:04pm

It's a pretty even start, with Town trying to play their normal game, but Coventry are quick to shut them down.

3:01pm

1- Early free-kick for Town, as they push forward

3:00pm

Here we go

2:59pm

Pitch announcer saying that Barthram is starting, not Waldon, but I can see Waldon on the pitch

2:57pm

Here come the teams

2:56pm

Just a few minutes now until kick-off, fans are starting to take their seats

2:43pm

There is no replacement on the subs bench

2:40pm

Smith is out and Connor Waldon starts

2:39pm

Reports are suggesting that Michael Smith has left the warm-up, will try and find out more

2:29pm

YOUR SAY

2:28pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Rebel_phish says

Good choice for the Captain's armband today. Yasir is playing well and shows a cool head.

2:29pm

PREDICTIONS

Given that Swindon's injuries aren't as bad as first feared, I think that Town will win 2-0, they have scored twice in every game this term except the in the match at Crawley.

How do think Town will get on?

2:20pm

YOUR SAY

2:13pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Haydonender says

Hmmmm, are we playing the walking wounded or was cooper exaggerating the injuries for tactical advantage?

2:19pm

Both teams will be playing a 3-5-2 today, and given the fact that Swindon's injury crisis is not as bad as first feared, they will be pretty confident following their recent performances.

2:16pm

Coventry subs: Burge, Pugh, Swanson, Jackson, Coulibaly, Miller, Finch

2:16pm

BREAKING TEAM NEWS:

Coventry: Allsop, Willis, Webster, Johnson, Thomas, Fleck, McQuoid, O'Brien, Phillips, Tudgay, Haynes.

2:14pm

HEAD-TO-HEAD

In all competitions, Swindon have played Coventry 68 times and they have won 23 times, while the Sky Blues have won 27.

At the County Ground, Town have won 11 of the 29 meetings

2:11pm

2:09pm

Michael Smith has made a recovery from his 'fractured collarbone' and starts, while Andy Williams also gets the nod despite his back problems.

The in-form Yaser Kasim captain's the side with Nathan Thompson suspended.

 

Swindon Advertiser: George Barker

George Barker is on the bench despite apparently dislocating his shoulder.

Josh Lelan, back at the club on a month's loan, is handed a place in the starting XI, while new midfielder Jake Reeves is on the bench.

2:06pm

Town subs: Belford, Barthram, Marhsall, Holland, Reeves, Waldon, Barker

2:05pm

BREAKING TEAM NEWS

Town: Foderingham, Branco, Lelan, Turnbull, Byrne, Kasim (C), Thompson L, Luongo, B Smith, Williams, M Smith

2:01pm

It is nearing the time when we get the team's

2:00pm

TODAY'S REFEREE

DARREN DEADMAN

 

In the last three seasons Darren Deadman from Cambridgeshire has officiated in six matches, brandishing 21 yellow cards and one red.

Swindon, however, have only lost once in those games.

Last season, in all matches, Deadman took charge of 34 games issuing 120 yellows and nine reds.

1:59pm

YOUR SAY

12:38pm Sat 30 Aug 14

port de soller says

Good luck Town,normally would think 3 points however who know¨s just maybe you will win the day GO REDS

1:58pm

YOUR SAY

1:12pm Sat 30 Aug 14

dazzastfc says

GOOD LUCK 2DAY BOYS...
Lets hope there are over 7.000 town fans their today....

1:58pm

Swindon Advertiser: Lee Power, Town's director of football operations

 

Town chairmain Lee Power in today’s matchday programme:

The football club really needs all the support it can get at the minute. Myself and the team are trying as hard as we can as well as all the staff to improve and move the club forward and ut would be great if we could prise a few more people through the turnstiles. This would then help me fund and put more into the playing as I’m hoping everyone now can see what we’re trying to achieve with this group of young players.

1:56pm

Swindon Advertiser: Nathan Thompson

 

Captain Nathan Thompson in the programme:

I am sure we can put Tuesday night’s disappointing result behind us but I firmly believe that the same grit and determination we showed will help us get back to winning ways. I may not be on the pitch with the team today but they have my complete support behind the scenes and in preparation for the game – so I’m sure they will do the club and the fans proud.

1:55pm

Swindon Advertiser: Cooper confirmed as assistant manager

 

Mark Cooper in today’s matchday programme:

I know the Coventry manaer Steven Pressley was here on Tuesday night and I’m sure he was rubbing his hands together (as I would have been)  when he saw that we’d lost these players plus extra time. Coventry will be coming into the game full of confidence.

1:53pm

YOUR SAY

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1:51pm

Cooper on the injuries in the programme:

We lose Nathan Thompson – who was outstanding (against Brighton), we lose Michael Smith to what could be a fractured collarbone, we lose George Barker to a dislocated shoulder, we lose Ben Gladwin to what could be a fractured ankle (scan results have since revealed it is torn ligaments) and maybe we lose Andy Williams to a back muscle injury.

1:50pm

Word around the camp fire is that Michael Smith has been having a fitness test ahead of today's match. Cooper was suggesting in his matchday programme notes that the striker had a fractured collarbone.

1:46pm

Mark Cooper will has signed two players ahead of today's match, with Josh Lelan returning from Derby County, while midfielder Jake Reeves is on board on a short-term contract following his release from Brentford

1:44pm

Good afternoon and welcome to Matchday Live for Swindon Town's League One clash with Coventry City at the County Ground.

 

12:01pm

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12:07pm Sat 30 Aug 14

STFC Boyo says...

Come on Swindon Town.I be there 2 cheer u on 2 day.C O Y R
Come on Swindon Town.I be there 2 cheer u on 2 day.C O Y R STFC Boyo
  • Score: 1

12:26pm Sat 30 Aug 14

swwindon61uk says...

Got to be honest i will be happy if we can get a point today with the injuries we have, i really do hope i am wrong though..
Got to be honest i will be happy if we can get a point today with the injuries we have, i really do hope i am wrong though.. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 2

12:28pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Scouse Red says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Got to be honest i will be happy if we can get a point today with the injuries we have, i really do hope i am wrong though..
Coventry were pretty decent last year especially when we played them at home (they were dreadful when they played us at 'their' place), but heard a few new players so see how we get on

Still think we can get 3 points if we start well and the lads at the back concentrate and are helped out in the middle

team news will be interesting won't it!
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Got to be honest i will be happy if we can get a point today with the injuries we have, i really do hope i am wrong though..[/p][/quote]Coventry were pretty decent last year especially when we played them at home (they were dreadful when they played us at 'their' place), but heard a few new players so see how we get on Still think we can get 3 points if we start well and the lads at the back concentrate and are helped out in the middle team news will be interesting won't it! Scouse Red
  • Score: 3

12:38pm Sat 30 Aug 14

port de soller says...

Good luck Town,normally would think 3 points however who know¨s just maybe you will win the day GO REDS
Good luck Town,normally would think 3 points however who know¨s just maybe you will win the day GO REDS port de soller
  • Score: 0

12:53pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Jc-999 says...

A bit of a random one would it be worth swindon looking at emmanuel frimpong (sorry if that's miss spelt)
Just thinking we could use a strong player like that against some of the teams in the league were we get kicked about. But unlike most he can pass a ball like we do having been at arsenal.
And I think we can get the 3 points today.
A bit of a random one would it be worth swindon looking at emmanuel frimpong (sorry if that's miss spelt) Just thinking we could use a strong player like that against some of the teams in the league were we get kicked about. But unlike most he can pass a ball like we do having been at arsenal. And I think we can get the 3 points today. Jc-999
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Sat 30 Aug 14

swwindon61uk says...

Scouse Red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Got to be honest i will be happy if we can get a point today with the injuries we have, i really do hope i am wrong though..
Coventry were pretty decent last year especially when we played them at home (they were dreadful when they played us at 'their' place), but heard a few new players so see how we get on

Still think we can get 3 points if we start well and the lads at the back concentrate and are helped out in the middle

team news will be interesting won't it!
Good post Scouse, Waldron will be in and i have no problems with that but if Williams is also out i guess that means 4-5-1
Unless the Aussie striker plays!
[quote][p][bold]Scouse Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Got to be honest i will be happy if we can get a point today with the injuries we have, i really do hope i am wrong though..[/p][/quote]Coventry were pretty decent last year especially when we played them at home (they were dreadful when they played us at 'their' place), but heard a few new players so see how we get on Still think we can get 3 points if we start well and the lads at the back concentrate and are helped out in the middle team news will be interesting won't it![/p][/quote]Good post Scouse, Waldron will be in and i have no problems with that but if Williams is also out i guess that means 4-5-1 Unless the Aussie striker plays! swwindon61uk
  • Score: 0

12:56pm Sat 30 Aug 14

swwindon61uk says...

Jc-999 wrote:
A bit of a random one would it be worth swindon looking at emmanuel frimpong (sorry if that's miss spelt)
Just thinking we could use a strong player like that against some of the teams in the league were we get kicked about. But unlike most he can pass a ball like we do having been at arsenal.
And I think we can get the 3 points today.
We don;t get kicked about, in fact i worry the other way round!
Always feel like Thompson, Thompson,Branco and Kasim are likely to make a stupid challenge, although Kasim has shown more maturity this season so far and personally would like to see him captain.
[quote][p][bold]Jc-999[/bold] wrote: A bit of a random one would it be worth swindon looking at emmanuel frimpong (sorry if that's miss spelt) Just thinking we could use a strong player like that against some of the teams in the league were we get kicked about. But unlike most he can pass a ball like we do having been at arsenal. And I think we can get the 3 points today.[/p][/quote]We don;t get kicked about, in fact i worry the other way round! Always feel like Thompson, Thompson,Branco and Kasim are likely to make a stupid challenge, although Kasim has shown more maturity this season so far and personally would like to see him captain. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Jc-999 says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Jc-999 wrote:
A bit of a random one would it be worth swindon looking at emmanuel frimpong (sorry if that's miss spelt)
Just thinking we could use a strong player like that against some of the teams in the league were we get kicked about. But unlike most he can pass a ball like we do having been at arsenal.
And I think we can get the 3 points today.
We don;t get kicked about, in fact i worry the other way round!
Always feel like Thompson, Thompson,Branco and Kasim are likely to make a stupid challenge, although Kasim has shown more maturity this season so far and personally would like to see him captain.
Just was thinking against the games last year against I think it was Preston when kevin davies completely out muscled us or that was the impression I was given by my friends at the game I can't go to many games due to my location so I may be completely wrong
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jc-999[/bold] wrote: A bit of a random one would it be worth swindon looking at emmanuel frimpong (sorry if that's miss spelt) Just thinking we could use a strong player like that against some of the teams in the league were we get kicked about. But unlike most he can pass a ball like we do having been at arsenal. And I think we can get the 3 points today.[/p][/quote]We don;t get kicked about, in fact i worry the other way round! Always feel like Thompson, Thompson,Branco and Kasim are likely to make a stupid challenge, although Kasim has shown more maturity this season so far and personally would like to see him captain.[/p][/quote]Just was thinking against the games last year against I think it was Preston when kevin davies completely out muscled us or that was the impression I was given by my friends at the game I can't go to many games due to my location so I may be completely wrong Jc-999
  • Score: 0

1:12pm Sat 30 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

GOOD LUCK 2DAY BOYS...
Lets hope there are over 7.000 town fans their today....
GOOD LUCK 2DAY BOYS... Lets hope there are over 7.000 town fans their today.... dazzastfc
  • Score: 1

2:13pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Haydonender says...

Hmmmm, are we playing the walking wounded or was cooper exaggerating the injuries for tactical advantage?
Hmmmm, are we playing the walking wounded or was cooper exaggerating the injuries for tactical advantage? Haydonender
  • Score: 0

2:28pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Rebel_phish says...

Good choice for the Captain's armband today. Yasir is playing well and shows a cool head.
Good choice for the Captain's armband today. Yasir is playing well and shows a cool head. Rebel_phish
  • Score: 3

4:00pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Sliderman says...

Unlucky town, given all the injuries and the new signings what happened to Will Randall the local lad who appeared to be linking up well with the strikers ? Not seen him lately ? Sure that would encourage local support ! :))
Unlucky town, given all the injuries and the new signings what happened to Will Randall the local lad who appeared to be linking up well with the strikers ? Not seen him lately ? Sure that would encourage local support ! :)) Sliderman
  • Score: 0

5:12pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Scouse Red says...

Just back from the game and thought we did ok but should have beaten what was a relatively poor Coventry side in my view. The lads tried hard and Kasim and Luongo again oozed quality and Louis Thompson put in some great tackles but we just seemed to lack penetration up front.

Waldon did ok with some nice touches before making way for Barker - not sure what he achieved after coming in though?
Just back from the game and thought we did ok but should have beaten what was a relatively poor Coventry side in my view. The lads tried hard and Kasim and Luongo again oozed quality and Louis Thompson put in some great tackles but we just seemed to lack penetration up front. Waldon did ok with some nice touches before making way for Barker - not sure what he achieved after coming in though? Scouse Red
  • Score: 4

5:26pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Scouse Red says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
Good choice for the Captain's armband today. Yasir is playing well and shows a cool head.
he is quality - so much time on the ball and great with both feet - hope the vultures don't come circling!
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: Good choice for the Captain's armband today. Yasir is playing well and shows a cool head.[/p][/quote]he is quality - so much time on the ball and great with both feet - hope the vultures don't come circling! Scouse Red
  • Score: 2

5:44pm Sat 30 Aug 14

the don69 says...

Another bad defensive error to gift our opponents a goal start! we MUST stop giving teams soft goals, thought Coventry were a poor side and didn't offer too much, we now got two weeks off to get our players fit and rested, I suppose a point is ok after the efforts against Brighton! but I think it's two dropped cause the Sky Blues were there for the taking, I see bad-boy Nile scored today! can't help thinking with him leading our attack we'd have a few more points in the bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another bad defensive error to gift our opponents a goal start! we MUST stop giving teams soft goals, thought Coventry were a poor side and didn't offer too much, we now got two weeks off to get our players fit and rested, I suppose a point is ok after the efforts against Brighton! but I think it's two dropped cause the Sky Blues were there for the taking, I see bad-boy Nile scored today! can't help thinking with him leading our attack we'd have a few more points in the bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 2

5:48pm Sat 30 Aug 14

South Stand says...

Sliderman wrote:
Unlucky town, given all the injuries and the new signings what happened to Will Randall the local lad who appeared to be linking up well with the strikers ? Not seen him lately ? Sure that would encourage local support ! :))
Are you sure you're on the correct website?
[quote][p][bold]Sliderman[/bold] wrote: Unlucky town, given all the injuries and the new signings what happened to Will Randall the local lad who appeared to be linking up well with the strikers ? Not seen him lately ? Sure that would encourage local support ! :))[/p][/quote]Are you sure you're on the correct website? South Stand
  • Score: 0

6:11pm Sat 30 Aug 14

swindonsupporter5 says...

Well done boys.Missed Nathan thompson today. Have a rest and comeback stronger!
Well done boys.Missed Nathan thompson today. Have a rest and comeback stronger! swindonsupporter5
  • Score: 3

6:45pm Sat 30 Aug 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Once again a good performance.
Two teams trying to play decent football.

Our crowd - pathetic.
The stay aways will lead to players being sold.

This crop of players, the attitude, effort and style and entertainment as good as lower league football can deliver.
Mark Copper take a bow you are doing a cracking job.
Once again a good performance. Two teams trying to play decent football. Our crowd - pathetic. The stay aways will lead to players being sold. This crop of players, the attitude, effort and style and entertainment as good as lower league football can deliver. Mark Copper take a bow you are doing a cracking job. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 27

7:29pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Clunky says...

Pleased with the result considering hard mid-week game and injuries. COYR.
Pleased with the result considering hard mid-week game and injuries. COYR. Clunky
  • Score: 5

7:39pm Sat 30 Aug 14

billbst says...

Travelling up to the game I was very apprehensive about our chances. Things were very even during the first half and at half time I would of settled for a point. At the end I felt we might well have won it. There were positives about our pattern of play and technical ability. At the end though I rate it a gutsy performance. It is hard to expect more. However with another striker and CB the team will be able to match the best in the league. Unfortunately as the Duke says our support has to be there to afford the extras we need. I don't think the present set up at the club can do much more than they are. The entertainment is very good but the audience is lacking. No posts on here will make any difference but it would be a great shame if this side is not able to develop fully. Wes' horizontal flight to push away a seemingly certain goal in the second half had imprinted images of Downsborough at Wembley flashing in my mind. What a weird thing memory is. What a funny old.... person I am.
Travelling up to the game I was very apprehensive about our chances. Things were very even during the first half and at half time I would of settled for a point. At the end I felt we might well have won it. There were positives about our pattern of play and technical ability. At the end though I rate it a gutsy performance. It is hard to expect more. However with another striker and CB the team will be able to match the best in the league. Unfortunately as the Duke says our support has to be there to afford the extras we need. I don't think the present set up at the club can do much more than they are. The entertainment is very good but the audience is lacking. No posts on here will make any difference but it would be a great shame if this side is not able to develop fully. Wes' horizontal flight to push away a seemingly certain goal in the second half had imprinted images of Downsborough at Wembley flashing in my mind. What a weird thing memory is. What a funny old.... person I am. billbst
  • Score: 11

8:10pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Bassett Hound says...

billbst wrote:
Travelling up to the game I was very apprehensive about our chances. Things were very even during the first half and at half time I would of settled for a point. At the end I felt we might well have won it. There were positives about our pattern of play and technical ability. At the end though I rate it a gutsy performance. It is hard to expect more. However with another striker and CB the team will be able to match the best in the league. Unfortunately as the Duke says our support has to be there to afford the extras we need. I don't think the present set up at the club can do much more than they are. The entertainment is very good but the audience is lacking. No posts on here will make any difference but it would be a great shame if this side is not able to develop fully. Wes' horizontal flight to push away a seemingly certain goal in the second half had imprinted images of Downsborough at Wembley flashing in my mind. What a weird thing memory is. What a funny old.... person I am.
I agree with you about the gate,however if you check all the other matches today in div 1 it puts our attendance in perspective our gate was the second highest.
Without a doubt this year most clubs gates are down,some of the gates today are really low. Take MK Dons,a big win against Man U plus some good league form and their gate was less than ours,I know Coventry brought more fans but I think gates are lower this year in general for most teams. Some good away results will always bring in bigger home gates so let's hope we continue our improved away performances .
[quote][p][bold]billbst[/bold] wrote: Travelling up to the game I was very apprehensive about our chances. Things were very even during the first half and at half time I would of settled for a point. At the end I felt we might well have won it. There were positives about our pattern of play and technical ability. At the end though I rate it a gutsy performance. It is hard to expect more. However with another striker and CB the team will be able to match the best in the league. Unfortunately as the Duke says our support has to be there to afford the extras we need. I don't think the present set up at the club can do much more than they are. The entertainment is very good but the audience is lacking. No posts on here will make any difference but it would be a great shame if this side is not able to develop fully. Wes' horizontal flight to push away a seemingly certain goal in the second half had imprinted images of Downsborough at Wembley flashing in my mind. What a weird thing memory is. What a funny old.... person I am.[/p][/quote]I agree with you about the gate,however if you check all the other matches today in div 1 it puts our attendance in perspective our gate was the second highest. Without a doubt this year most clubs gates are down,some of the gates today are really low. Take MK Dons,a big win against Man U plus some good league form and their gate was less than ours,I know Coventry brought more fans but I think gates are lower this year in general for most teams. Some good away results will always bring in bigger home gates so let's hope we continue our improved away performances . Bassett Hound
  • Score: 7

8:14pm Sat 30 Aug 14

swindonmatt says...

hi just back from the game as live in Herefordshire. happy with a pt but stup
hi just back from the game as live in Herefordshire. happy with a pt but stup swindonmatt
  • Score: 1

8:15pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Another view says...

Not a bad performance after the exhausting game on Tuesday. Once again we went behind after a wave of attacks on the opposition goal. A glass half empty person will bemoan the chances missed, but the spirit of the youngsters to fight back was plain to see. Once again too many mistakes at both ends, but that was surely outweighed by the spirit and stylish football.

It was good to see the Supporters' Trust with tables there recruiting members. At £1 a year we can all afford it, and if you can't get to the games then you can also sign up online at www.truststfc.com.
Not a bad performance after the exhausting game on Tuesday. Once again we went behind after a wave of attacks on the opposition goal. A glass half empty person will bemoan the chances missed, but the spirit of the youngsters to fight back was plain to see. Once again too many mistakes at both ends, but that was surely outweighed by the spirit and stylish football. It was good to see the Supporters' Trust with tables there recruiting members. At £1 a year we can all afford it, and if you can't get to the games then you can also sign up online at www.truststfc.com. Another view
  • Score: 12

8:19pm Sat 30 Aug 14

swindonmatt says...

hi just back from the game as I live in Herefordshire. played ok but stupid mistakes have cost us again. lelan error for the goal and shocking after that confidence was shot. Please tell me what Williams offers to the team awful? midfield 3 class again. were 2 or 3 players short of a very good team.
hi just back from the game as I live in Herefordshire. played ok but stupid mistakes have cost us again. lelan error for the goal and shocking after that confidence was shot. Please tell me what Williams offers to the team awful? midfield 3 class again. were 2 or 3 players short of a very good team. swindonmatt
  • Score: -4

9:17pm Sat 30 Aug 14

midland red says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
billbst wrote:
Travelling up to the game I was very apprehensive about our chances. Things were very even during the first half and at half time I would of settled for a point. At the end I felt we might well have won it. There were positives about our pattern of play and technical ability. At the end though I rate it a gutsy performance. It is hard to expect more. However with another striker and CB the team will be able to match the best in the league. Unfortunately as the Duke says our support has to be there to afford the extras we need. I don't think the present set up at the club can do much more than they are. The entertainment is very good but the audience is lacking. No posts on here will make any difference but it would be a great shame if this side is not able to develop fully. Wes' horizontal flight to push away a seemingly certain goal in the second half had imprinted images of Downsborough at Wembley flashing in my mind. What a weird thing memory is. What a funny old.... person I am.
I agree with you about the gate,however if you check all the other matches today in div 1 it puts our attendance in perspective our gate was the second highest.
Without a doubt this year most clubs gates are down,some of the gates today are really low. Take MK Dons,a big win against Man U plus some good league form and their gate was less than ours,I know Coventry brought more fans but I think gates are lower this year in general for most teams. Some good away results will always bring in bigger home gates so let's hope we continue our improved away performances .
On the subject of gates....I came today with my son but but we have a fair way to travel. I used to be a season ticket holder but decided not to renew last season or this due to the uncertainty on club ownership or direction...so it's £50 plus petrol for a '3rd division' game. The club used to knock a few quid off if you booked tickets in advance but don't even do that any more - a very short-sighted view in my opinion! Much as I'd like to attend more games I think I'll be very 'picky' this season as it's very difficult to justify the cost!
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billbst[/bold] wrote: Travelling up to the game I was very apprehensive about our chances. Things were very even during the first half and at half time I would of settled for a point. At the end I felt we might well have won it. There were positives about our pattern of play and technical ability. At the end though I rate it a gutsy performance. It is hard to expect more. However with another striker and CB the team will be able to match the best in the league. Unfortunately as the Duke says our support has to be there to afford the extras we need. I don't think the present set up at the club can do much more than they are. The entertainment is very good but the audience is lacking. No posts on here will make any difference but it would be a great shame if this side is not able to develop fully. Wes' horizontal flight to push away a seemingly certain goal in the second half had imprinted images of Downsborough at Wembley flashing in my mind. What a weird thing memory is. What a funny old.... person I am.[/p][/quote]I agree with you about the gate,however if you check all the other matches today in div 1 it puts our attendance in perspective our gate was the second highest. Without a doubt this year most clubs gates are down,some of the gates today are really low. Take MK Dons,a big win against Man U plus some good league form and their gate was less than ours,I know Coventry brought more fans but I think gates are lower this year in general for most teams. Some good away results will always bring in bigger home gates so let's hope we continue our improved away performances .[/p][/quote]On the subject of gates....I came today with my son but but we have a fair way to travel. I used to be a season ticket holder but decided not to renew last season or this due to the uncertainty on club ownership or direction...so it's £50 plus petrol for a '3rd division' game. The club used to knock a few quid off if you booked tickets in advance but don't even do that any more - a very short-sighted view in my opinion! Much as I'd like to attend more games I think I'll be very 'picky' this season as it's very difficult to justify the cost! midland red
  • Score: 6

9:24pm Sat 30 Aug 14

old town robin says...

How does one go from winning a corner at one end to conceding a goal at the other. Simples, play the cooper way and keep passing it back, terrible tactics , advantages from corners and free kicks were wasted resulting once again gifting an unnecessary goal given away with negative play and sloppy passes following bewildering set plays by the man in charge.

At least we didn't do it in the second half and got our just reward from a corner. Have to say we looked light weight against a very cynical Coventry side and it was good for them that Prestley took McQuiod off before he got sent off.

The team looked tired after the Brighton game and the first half was pretty boring. Luango should have put us ahead just before they scored and that was about as close as we got to scoring. Second half was much better without reaching the level of football we had played in the first few games.

With regards performances Byrne's deserved his MoM, Williams looked like he was not 100% but kept trying, Waldron had a few nice touches but very light weight, the midfield improved in the second half after being very quiet first half with their man Fleck once again running the show until he ran out of steam. The back 3 started well, but lelan lost his confidence after being responsible for their goal due to a mis-pass after the ball was played back to him from a corner???? he was moved to the right flank and Branco took over in the centre where he probably should have started. Think we did enough to edge it, but if not for a couple of brilliant aves from Wes it could have been worse than the draw. If we don't get a striker or two and centre back in before our next match, we are going to struggle as we are lacking up front and the back.

Had a beer with a mate down from the Coventry area after the game and rumours from their end are Michael Smith was withdrawn as he's heading for a medical at Coventry on Monday and will go for a fee of £1.2 million. Whether it's true or not unfortunately Lee Power is not getting the support from the stay away fans and if he gets decent offers for any of our players, then it will be an easy decision for him to make that players will be sold to balance the books.
How does one go from winning a corner at one end to conceding a goal at the other. Simples, play the cooper way and keep passing it back, terrible tactics , advantages from corners and free kicks were wasted resulting once again gifting an unnecessary goal given away with negative play and sloppy passes following bewildering set plays by the man in charge. At least we didn't do it in the second half and got our just reward from a corner. Have to say we looked light weight against a very cynical Coventry side and it was good for them that Prestley took McQuiod off before he got sent off. The team looked tired after the Brighton game and the first half was pretty boring. Luango should have put us ahead just before they scored and that was about as close as we got to scoring. Second half was much better without reaching the level of football we had played in the first few games. With regards performances Byrne's deserved his MoM, Williams looked like he was not 100% but kept trying, Waldron had a few nice touches but very light weight, the midfield improved in the second half after being very quiet first half with their man Fleck once again running the show until he ran out of steam. The back 3 started well, but lelan lost his confidence after being responsible for their goal due to a mis-pass after the ball was played back to him from a corner???? he was moved to the right flank and Branco took over in the centre where he probably should have started. Think we did enough to edge it, but if not for a couple of brilliant aves from Wes it could have been worse than the draw. If we don't get a striker or two and centre back in before our next match, we are going to struggle as we are lacking up front and the back. Had a beer with a mate down from the Coventry area after the game and rumours from their end are Michael Smith was withdrawn as he's heading for a medical at Coventry on Monday and will go for a fee of £1.2 million. Whether it's true or not unfortunately Lee Power is not getting the support from the stay away fans and if he gets decent offers for any of our players, then it will be an easy decision for him to make that players will be sold to balance the books. old town robin
  • Score: -11

9:57pm Sat 30 Aug 14

OOO-RU says...

old town robin wrote:
How does one go from winning a corner at one end to conceding a goal at the other. Simples, play the cooper way and keep passing it back, terrible tactics , advantages from corners and free kicks were wasted resulting once again gifting an unnecessary goal given away with negative play and sloppy passes following bewildering set plays by the man in charge.

At least we didn't do it in the second half and got our just reward from a corner. Have to say we looked light weight against a very cynical Coventry side and it was good for them that Prestley took McQuiod off before he got sent off.

The team looked tired after the Brighton game and the first half was pretty boring. Luango should have put us ahead just before they scored and that was about as close as we got to scoring. Second half was much better without reaching the level of football we had played in the first few games.

With regards performances Byrne's deserved his MoM, Williams looked like he was not 100% but kept trying, Waldron had a few nice touches but very light weight, the midfield improved in the second half after being very quiet first half with their man Fleck once again running the show until he ran out of steam. The back 3 started well, but lelan lost his confidence after being responsible for their goal due to a mis-pass after the ball was played back to him from a corner???? he was moved to the right flank and Branco took over in the centre where he probably should have started. Think we did enough to edge it, but if not for a couple of brilliant aves from Wes it could have been worse than the draw. If we don't get a striker or two and centre back in before our next match, we are going to struggle as we are lacking up front and the back.

Had a beer with a mate down from the Coventry area after the game and rumours from their end are Michael Smith was withdrawn as he's heading for a medical at Coventry on Monday and will go for a fee of £1.2 million. Whether it's true or not unfortunately Lee Power is not getting the support from the stay away fans and if he gets decent offers for any of our players, then it will be an easy decision for him to make that players will be sold to balance the books.
£1.2m! Someone's pulling your leg.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: How does one go from winning a corner at one end to conceding a goal at the other. Simples, play the cooper way and keep passing it back, terrible tactics , advantages from corners and free kicks were wasted resulting once again gifting an unnecessary goal given away with negative play and sloppy passes following bewildering set plays by the man in charge. At least we didn't do it in the second half and got our just reward from a corner. Have to say we looked light weight against a very cynical Coventry side and it was good for them that Prestley took McQuiod off before he got sent off. The team looked tired after the Brighton game and the first half was pretty boring. Luango should have put us ahead just before they scored and that was about as close as we got to scoring. Second half was much better without reaching the level of football we had played in the first few games. With regards performances Byrne's deserved his MoM, Williams looked like he was not 100% but kept trying, Waldron had a few nice touches but very light weight, the midfield improved in the second half after being very quiet first half with their man Fleck once again running the show until he ran out of steam. The back 3 started well, but lelan lost his confidence after being responsible for their goal due to a mis-pass after the ball was played back to him from a corner???? he was moved to the right flank and Branco took over in the centre where he probably should have started. Think we did enough to edge it, but if not for a couple of brilliant aves from Wes it could have been worse than the draw. If we don't get a striker or two and centre back in before our next match, we are going to struggle as we are lacking up front and the back. Had a beer with a mate down from the Coventry area after the game and rumours from their end are Michael Smith was withdrawn as he's heading for a medical at Coventry on Monday and will go for a fee of £1.2 million. Whether it's true or not unfortunately Lee Power is not getting the support from the stay away fans and if he gets decent offers for any of our players, then it will be an easy decision for him to make that players will be sold to balance the books.[/p][/quote]£1.2m! Someone's pulling your leg. OOO-RU
  • Score: 1

10:05pm Sat 30 Aug 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

old town robin wrote:
How does one go from winning a corner at one end to conceding a goal at the other. Simples, play the cooper way and keep passing it back, terrible tactics , advantages from corners and free kicks were wasted resulting once again gifting an unnecessary goal given away with negative play and sloppy passes following bewildering set plays by the man in charge.

At least we didn't do it in the second half and got our just reward from a corner. Have to say we looked light weight against a very cynical Coventry side and it was good for them that Prestley took McQuiod off before he got sent off.

The team looked tired after the Brighton game and the first half was pretty boring. Luango should have put us ahead just before they scored and that was about as close as we got to scoring. Second half was much better without reaching the level of football we had played in the first few games.

With regards performances Byrne's deserved his MoM, Williams looked like he was not 100% but kept trying, Waldron had a few nice touches but very light weight, the midfield improved in the second half after being very quiet first half with their man Fleck once again running the show until he ran out of steam. The back 3 started well, but lelan lost his confidence after being responsible for their goal due to a mis-pass after the ball was played back to him from a corner???? he was moved to the right flank and Branco took over in the centre where he probably should have started. Think we did enough to edge it, but if not for a couple of brilliant aves from Wes it could have been worse than the draw. If we don't get a striker or two and centre back in before our next match, we are going to struggle as we are lacking up front and the back.

Had a beer with a mate down from the Coventry area after the game and rumours from their end are Michael Smith was withdrawn as he's heading for a medical at Coventry on Monday and will go for a fee of £1.2 million. Whether it's true or not unfortunately Lee Power is not getting the support from the stay away fans and if he gets decent offers for any of our players, then it will be an easy decision for him to make that players will be sold to balance the books.
You obviously did not see a Smith warming up and then disappearing down the tunnel holding his arm. Agree we need a striker.
Next rumour will be the missing 1,000 may turn up.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: How does one go from winning a corner at one end to conceding a goal at the other. Simples, play the cooper way and keep passing it back, terrible tactics , advantages from corners and free kicks were wasted resulting once again gifting an unnecessary goal given away with negative play and sloppy passes following bewildering set plays by the man in charge. At least we didn't do it in the second half and got our just reward from a corner. Have to say we looked light weight against a very cynical Coventry side and it was good for them that Prestley took McQuiod off before he got sent off. The team looked tired after the Brighton game and the first half was pretty boring. Luango should have put us ahead just before they scored and that was about as close as we got to scoring. Second half was much better without reaching the level of football we had played in the first few games. With regards performances Byrne's deserved his MoM, Williams looked like he was not 100% but kept trying, Waldron had a few nice touches but very light weight, the midfield improved in the second half after being very quiet first half with their man Fleck once again running the show until he ran out of steam. The back 3 started well, but lelan lost his confidence after being responsible for their goal due to a mis-pass after the ball was played back to him from a corner???? he was moved to the right flank and Branco took over in the centre where he probably should have started. Think we did enough to edge it, but if not for a couple of brilliant aves from Wes it could have been worse than the draw. If we don't get a striker or two and centre back in before our next match, we are going to struggle as we are lacking up front and the back. Had a beer with a mate down from the Coventry area after the game and rumours from their end are Michael Smith was withdrawn as he's heading for a medical at Coventry on Monday and will go for a fee of £1.2 million. Whether it's true or not unfortunately Lee Power is not getting the support from the stay away fans and if he gets decent offers for any of our players, then it will be an easy decision for him to make that players will be sold to balance the books.[/p][/quote]You obviously did not see a Smith warming up and then disappearing down the tunnel holding his arm. Agree we need a striker. Next rumour will be the missing 1,000 may turn up. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 5

10:22pm Sat 30 Aug 14

umpcah says...

OOO-RU wrote:
old town robin wrote:
How does one go from winning a corner at one end to conceding a goal at the other. Simples, play the cooper way and keep passing it back, terrible tactics , advantages from corners and free kicks were wasted resulting once again gifting an unnecessary goal given away with negative play and sloppy passes following bewildering set plays by the man in charge.

At least we didn't do it in the second half and got our just reward from a corner. Have to say we looked light weight against a very cynical Coventry side and it was good for them that Prestley took McQuiod off before he got sent off.

The team looked tired after the Brighton game and the first half was pretty boring. Luango should have put us ahead just before they scored and that was about as close as we got to scoring. Second half was much better without reaching the level of football we had played in the first few games.

With regards performances Byrne's deserved his MoM, Williams looked like he was not 100% but kept trying, Waldron had a few nice touches but very light weight, the midfield improved in the second half after being very quiet first half with their man Fleck once again running the show until he ran out of steam. The back 3 started well, but lelan lost his confidence after being responsible for their goal due to a mis-pass after the ball was played back to him from a corner???? he was moved to the right flank and Branco took over in the centre where he probably should have started. Think we did enough to edge it, but if not for a couple of brilliant aves from Wes it could have been worse than the draw. If we don't get a striker or two and centre back in before our next match, we are going to struggle as we are lacking up front and the back.

Had a beer with a mate down from the Coventry area after the game and rumours from their end are Michael Smith was withdrawn as he's heading for a medical at Coventry on Monday and will go for a fee of £1.2 million. Whether it's true or not unfortunately Lee Power is not getting the support from the stay away fans and if he gets decent offers for any of our players, then it will be an easy decision for him to make that players will be sold to balance the books.
£1.2m! Someone's pulling your leg.
Coventry spending £1.2m ? On Smith ? Know any more jokes ?
[quote][p][bold]OOO-RU[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: How does one go from winning a corner at one end to conceding a goal at the other. Simples, play the cooper way and keep passing it back, terrible tactics , advantages from corners and free kicks were wasted resulting once again gifting an unnecessary goal given away with negative play and sloppy passes following bewildering set plays by the man in charge. At least we didn't do it in the second half and got our just reward from a corner. Have to say we looked light weight against a very cynical Coventry side and it was good for them that Prestley took McQuiod off before he got sent off. The team looked tired after the Brighton game and the first half was pretty boring. Luango should have put us ahead just before they scored and that was about as close as we got to scoring. Second half was much better without reaching the level of football we had played in the first few games. With regards performances Byrne's deserved his MoM, Williams looked like he was not 100% but kept trying, Waldron had a few nice touches but very light weight, the midfield improved in the second half after being very quiet first half with their man Fleck once again running the show until he ran out of steam. The back 3 started well, but lelan lost his confidence after being responsible for their goal due to a mis-pass after the ball was played back to him from a corner???? he was moved to the right flank and Branco took over in the centre where he probably should have started. Think we did enough to edge it, but if not for a couple of brilliant aves from Wes it could have been worse than the draw. If we don't get a striker or two and centre back in before our next match, we are going to struggle as we are lacking up front and the back. Had a beer with a mate down from the Coventry area after the game and rumours from their end are Michael Smith was withdrawn as he's heading for a medical at Coventry on Monday and will go for a fee of £1.2 million. Whether it's true or not unfortunately Lee Power is not getting the support from the stay away fans and if he gets decent offers for any of our players, then it will be an easy decision for him to make that players will be sold to balance the books.[/p][/quote]£1.2m! Someone's pulling your leg.[/p][/quote]Coventry spending £1.2m ? On Smith ? Know any more jokes ? umpcah
  • Score: 3

10:35pm Sat 30 Aug 14

TerryHubbard says...

Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold.
If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.
Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold. If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout. TerryHubbard
  • Score: -13

10:53pm Sat 30 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Not there today but reading between the lines on here seems we are still suffering from our two major malaises- powder puff attack and woeful defending.
It's a catch 22 situation LP wants bums on seats but cross field horizontal or backward passing without positive forward movement on occasions is nullifying the few occasions when we do get forward with purpose and finish the job.
A crowd of 7.3k doesn't seem bad to me at this time of the tear and following two home games within 7days but then I don't know how many were Coventry fans ?
Given Cooperman's selection headaches before the game I think most fans & Coops would be happy with a point but then the same parties know where the problems are. Trouble is will indifferent attendances affect the ability to strengthen the vulnerable areas.
Not there today but reading between the lines on here seems we are still suffering from our two major malaises- powder puff attack and woeful defending. It's a catch 22 situation LP wants bums on seats but cross field horizontal or backward passing without positive forward movement on occasions is nullifying the few occasions when we do get forward with purpose and finish the job. A crowd of 7.3k doesn't seem bad to me at this time of the tear and following two home games within 7days but then I don't know how many were Coventry fans ? Given Cooperman's selection headaches before the game I think most fans & Coops would be happy with a point but then the same parties know where the problems are. Trouble is will indifferent attendances affect the ability to strengthen the vulnerable areas. The Jockster
  • Score: 0

11:02pm Sat 30 Aug 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

TerryHubbard wrote:
Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold.
If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.
Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off.
30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show.
Pathetic.
Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.
[quote][p][bold]TerryHubbard[/bold] wrote: Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold. If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.[/p][/quote]Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off. 30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show. Pathetic. Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 30

11:37pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Oxon-Red says...

old town robin wrote:
How does one go from winning a corner at one end to conceding a goal at the other. Simples, play the cooper way and keep passing it back, terrible tactics , advantages from corners and free kicks were wasted resulting once again gifting an unnecessary goal given away with negative play and sloppy passes following bewildering set plays by the man in charge.

At least we didn't do it in the second half and got our just reward from a corner. Have to say we looked light weight against a very cynical Coventry side and it was good for them that Prestley took McQuiod off before he got sent off.

The team looked tired after the Brighton game and the first half was pretty boring. Luango should have put us ahead just before they scored and that was about as close as we got to scoring. Second half was much better without reaching the level of football we had played in the first few games.

With regards performances Byrne's deserved his MoM, Williams looked like he was not 100% but kept trying, Waldron had a few nice touches but very light weight, the midfield improved in the second half after being very quiet first half with their man Fleck once again running the show until he ran out of steam. The back 3 started well, but lelan lost his confidence after being responsible for their goal due to a mis-pass after the ball was played back to him from a corner???? he was moved to the right flank and Branco took over in the centre where he probably should have started. Think we did enough to edge it, but if not for a couple of brilliant aves from Wes it could have been worse than the draw. If we don't get a striker or two and centre back in before our next match, we are going to struggle as we are lacking up front and the back.

Had a beer with a mate down from the Coventry area after the game and rumours from their end are Michael Smith was withdrawn as he's heading for a medical at Coventry on Monday and will go for a fee of £1.2 million. Whether it's true or not unfortunately Lee Power is not getting the support from the stay away fans and if he gets decent offers for any of our players, then it will be an easy decision for him to make that players will be sold to balance the books.
Couldn't go today due to other commitments did but my better half & youngest did and your report echoes their summary of the game.

I saw Lelan against Scunthorpe and felt he needed games so I hope his mistake can be forgotten and we will see him improve. I know he is not our player but neither were Luongo or Byrne.

I do feel we have a talented group of youngsters coming through and, possibly more importantly, a very good coach. It may be difficult keeping hold of the best, which I feel is the same with most teams, but look forward to the deadline tomorrow with no departures.

Style of play is interesting, perhaps a few are used to the kick and rush we have experienced for so long in the lower leagues. Exciting, yes at times, but the right way ? Watch a lot of kids football and the parents applaud a big boot up field more than an attempt to play the ball but there are right and wrong times to put it in row Z.

I hope the crowds improve because it will help the club sustain more permanent players. Most of all I hope people aren't staying away because we no longer hoof it forward and hope. If they do then they should compare our style to that of Chelsea and the old style to that of the old Stoke City and have a thought on the opinions of premiership fans.

IMO and IMO only you have to change the whole culture of football in England. This has started in the Premier league and is now working down through all leagues. Go and watch Supermarine level and you will see keepers taking short goalkicks, working the ball from the back. Kids football too with the retreat line to give them the chance to pass the ball forward. In the future we may see a. you are too tall sorry we want a short skillful player.

Sorry, got carried away.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: How does one go from winning a corner at one end to conceding a goal at the other. Simples, play the cooper way and keep passing it back, terrible tactics , advantages from corners and free kicks were wasted resulting once again gifting an unnecessary goal given away with negative play and sloppy passes following bewildering set plays by the man in charge. At least we didn't do it in the second half and got our just reward from a corner. Have to say we looked light weight against a very cynical Coventry side and it was good for them that Prestley took McQuiod off before he got sent off. The team looked tired after the Brighton game and the first half was pretty boring. Luango should have put us ahead just before they scored and that was about as close as we got to scoring. Second half was much better without reaching the level of football we had played in the first few games. With regards performances Byrne's deserved his MoM, Williams looked like he was not 100% but kept trying, Waldron had a few nice touches but very light weight, the midfield improved in the second half after being very quiet first half with their man Fleck once again running the show until he ran out of steam. The back 3 started well, but lelan lost his confidence after being responsible for their goal due to a mis-pass after the ball was played back to him from a corner???? he was moved to the right flank and Branco took over in the centre where he probably should have started. Think we did enough to edge it, but if not for a couple of brilliant aves from Wes it could have been worse than the draw. If we don't get a striker or two and centre back in before our next match, we are going to struggle as we are lacking up front and the back. Had a beer with a mate down from the Coventry area after the game and rumours from their end are Michael Smith was withdrawn as he's heading for a medical at Coventry on Monday and will go for a fee of £1.2 million. Whether it's true or not unfortunately Lee Power is not getting the support from the stay away fans and if he gets decent offers for any of our players, then it will be an easy decision for him to make that players will be sold to balance the books.[/p][/quote]Couldn't go today due to other commitments did but my better half & youngest did and your report echoes their summary of the game. I saw Lelan against Scunthorpe and felt he needed games so I hope his mistake can be forgotten and we will see him improve. I know he is not our player but neither were Luongo or Byrne. I do feel we have a talented group of youngsters coming through and, possibly more importantly, a very good coach. It may be difficult keeping hold of the best, which I feel is the same with most teams, but look forward to the deadline tomorrow with no departures. Style of play is interesting, perhaps a few are used to the kick and rush we have experienced for so long in the lower leagues. Exciting, yes at times, but the right way ? Watch a lot of kids football and the parents applaud a big boot up field more than an attempt to play the ball but there are right and wrong times to put it in row Z. I hope the crowds improve because it will help the club sustain more permanent players. Most of all I hope people aren't staying away because we no longer hoof it forward and hope. If they do then they should compare our style to that of Chelsea and the old style to that of the old Stoke City and have a thought on the opinions of premiership fans. IMO and IMO only you have to change the whole culture of football in England. This has started in the Premier league and is now working down through all leagues. Go and watch Supermarine level and you will see keepers taking short goalkicks, working the ball from the back. Kids football too with the retreat line to give them the chance to pass the ball forward. In the future we may see a. you are too tall sorry we want a short skillful player. Sorry, got carried away. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 10

7:27am Sun 31 Aug 14

oo-r-ya? says...

I see some Cov fans are saying that the Fods wonder-save had actually crossed the line. They're saying they were in line with it. Oh well!
I see some Cov fans are saying that the Fods wonder-save had actually crossed the line. They're saying they were in line with it. Oh well! oo-r-ya?
  • Score: -2

8:44am Sun 31 Aug 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Bryne brilliant and worthy man if the match. Interesting comments on Waldron. Personally didn't think he was light weight at all. I thought he held the ball up and laid it off better than Smudger or Williams. Perhaps lacks a killer goal scorers instinct but no complaints at all from me.

Considering the massive exertions of Tuesday thought we performed well. Felt sorry for Lellan with his mistake and interesting Cooper changed him and Branco around for the last ten/fifteen minutes. As has been our problem this year we need composer in the final third. Not just the strikers, Massimo should have taken that gilt edged chance in the first half and was guilty a couple of times in the second half of not finding free man. Not just him a lot are guilty of it, Smith and Bryne often wide open on edge of penalty area near the "d".

I don't share the doom, think Power, Cooper, Williams and the staff doing a brilliant job. Would be lovely if a few more in the Town could realise and come and support as some of the football we are playing is superb. Also listening to interviews after the game on radio Wiltshire was very interesting. Brilliant to hear that are young players are spending a lot of afternoons going through tapes with Williams to improve their games individually and collectively.

The nay Sayers will obviously disagree but I really have a feeling that the togetherness and desire of this group of players could take them a long way. Composure needed mind!
Bryne brilliant and worthy man if the match. Interesting comments on Waldron. Personally didn't think he was light weight at all. I thought he held the ball up and laid it off better than Smudger or Williams. Perhaps lacks a killer goal scorers instinct but no complaints at all from me. Considering the massive exertions of Tuesday thought we performed well. Felt sorry for Lellan with his mistake and interesting Cooper changed him and Branco around for the last ten/fifteen minutes. As has been our problem this year we need composer in the final third. Not just the strikers, Massimo should have taken that gilt edged chance in the first half and was guilty a couple of times in the second half of not finding free man. Not just him a lot are guilty of it, Smith and Bryne often wide open on edge of penalty area near the "d". I don't share the doom, think Power, Cooper, Williams and the staff doing a brilliant job. Would be lovely if a few more in the Town could realise and come and support as some of the football we are playing is superb. Also listening to interviews after the game on radio Wiltshire was very interesting. Brilliant to hear that are young players are spending a lot of afternoons going through tapes with Williams to improve their games individually and collectively. The nay Sayers will obviously disagree but I really have a feeling that the togetherness and desire of this group of players could take them a long way. Composure needed mind! dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 14

8:47am Sun 31 Aug 14

swwindon61uk says...

TerryHubbard wrote:
Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold.
If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.
Well we did not sell Thompson,Thompson, Smith, Luongo or Foderingham when there was apparent offers for them at the start of the season did we?
Not sure this will be the case now, so i would say the extra 1000 fans would make the difference.
[quote][p][bold]TerryHubbard[/bold] wrote: Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold. If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.[/p][/quote]Well we did not sell Thompson,Thompson, Smith, Luongo or Foderingham when there was apparent offers for them at the start of the season did we? Not sure this will be the case now, so i would say the extra 1000 fans would make the difference. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 8

8:56am Sun 31 Aug 14

swwindon61uk says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
TerryHubbard wrote:
Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold.
If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.
Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off.
30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show.
Pathetic.
Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.
Annoys me to, you are right we had a whole plethora of excuses and when they are addressed, still now show.
Another example is last year when we played Chelsea, i could not get anymore people asking me if i could get a ticket if i tried.
We are playing the best football i have seen since Hoddle IMO.
What i will say is the people that are going are now nearly all behind the team and what they are seeing, even the occasional back pass!
I am afraid we do have a lot of glory hunters and it is all in a name, Mark Cooper is a name that does not appeal to glory hunters.
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerryHubbard[/bold] wrote: Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold. If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.[/p][/quote]Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off. 30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show. Pathetic. Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.[/p][/quote]Annoys me to, you are right we had a whole plethora of excuses and when they are addressed, still now show. Another example is last year when we played Chelsea, i could not get anymore people asking me if i could get a ticket if i tried. We are playing the best football i have seen since Hoddle IMO. What i will say is the people that are going are now nearly all behind the team and what they are seeing, even the occasional back pass! I am afraid we do have a lot of glory hunters and it is all in a name, Mark Cooper is a name that does not appeal to glory hunters. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 10

8:59am Sun 31 Aug 14

swwindon61uk says...

oo-r-ya? wrote:
I see some Cov fans are saying that the Fods wonder-save had actually crossed the line. They're saying they were in line with it. Oh well!
I was sat in line also, it was mighty close and i would say it was edging towards being in, no way the ref or linesman could have gave it.
[quote][p][bold]oo-r-ya?[/bold] wrote: I see some Cov fans are saying that the Fods wonder-save had actually crossed the line. They're saying they were in line with it. Oh well![/p][/quote]I was sat in line also, it was mighty close and i would say it was edging towards being in, no way the ref or linesman could have gave it. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 1

9:04am Sun 31 Aug 14

TerryHubbard says...

Duke of Banbury,
I take your point mate it's always been the same though at Wembley v Sunderland under Ozzie we took 30k plus same under Glenn against Leicester in play offs we took similar we were still getting the usual hardcore 8k at home then.
As an exiled Red living in West London mates who are QPR fans are saying the same took 47k to Wembley v Derby in play offs yet couldn't sell out first home game in Prem v Hull and only took 1800 to Spurs from a 3k allocation for a London Derby.
So it's not just us with the stay away fans.
Hope Power is right and we don't have to sell but knowing us I don't see it that way.
Duke of Banbury, I take your point mate it's always been the same though at Wembley v Sunderland under Ozzie we took 30k plus same under Glenn against Leicester in play offs we took similar we were still getting the usual hardcore 8k at home then. As an exiled Red living in West London mates who are QPR fans are saying the same took 47k to Wembley v Derby in play offs yet couldn't sell out first home game in Prem v Hull and only took 1800 to Spurs from a 3k allocation for a London Derby. So it's not just us with the stay away fans. Hope Power is right and we don't have to sell but knowing us I don't see it that way. TerryHubbard
  • Score: 0

9:26am Sun 31 Aug 14

Bazthebooty says...

With regards to the crowd MK Dons had 26000 odd on Tuesday and only scraped just over 7000 on Saturday which was less than us so we are not alone on the so called ' Glory Hunters '
With regards to the crowd MK Dons had 26000 odd on Tuesday and only scraped just over 7000 on Saturday which was less than us so we are not alone on the so called ' Glory Hunters ' Bazthebooty
  • Score: 1

9:35am Sun 31 Aug 14

old town robin says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Bryne brilliant and worthy man if the match. Interesting comments on Waldron. Personally didn't think he was light weight at all. I thought he held the ball up and laid it off better than Smudger or Williams. Perhaps lacks a killer goal scorers instinct but no complaints at all from me.

Considering the massive exertions of Tuesday thought we performed well. Felt sorry for Lellan with his mistake and interesting Cooper changed him and Branco around for the last ten/fifteen minutes. As has been our problem this year we need composer in the final third. Not just the strikers, Massimo should have taken that gilt edged chance in the first half and was guilty a couple of times in the second half of not finding free man. Not just him a lot are guilty of it, Smith and Bryne often wide open on edge of penalty area near the "d".

I don't share the doom, think Power, Cooper, Williams and the staff doing a brilliant job. Would be lovely if a few more in the Town could realise and come and support as some of the football we are playing is superb. Also listening to interviews after the game on radio Wiltshire was very interesting. Brilliant to hear that are young players are spending a lot of afternoons going through tapes with Williams to improve their games individually and collectively.

The nay Sayers will obviously disagree but I really have a feeling that the togetherness and desire of this group of players could take them a long way. Composure needed mind!
Good summary dreamo, i think your view on Waldron summed his game up better than my comment that he was light weight, I agree with you he did well holding the ball up well, but he never looked like he was likely to score. Lot of time for him to improve that part of his game though. Also agree with your comments on Luango missing that golden opportunity in the first half and not releasing it quick enough to others in the second half, he is a very good player, but does suffer from tunnel vision at times.

With regards getting the stay away fans to return, I think it will be very difficult now. as IMO the incentives are not there to encourage them to be bothered to fork out top price for 3rd division football, maybe if we get the much needed striker and centre back in (Stephens was not included in Southampton squad yesterday), and can get into the play-off positions, it might be enough to change their mind. but not if we are content with mid table mediocrity. Having a season ticket obligates fans turning up as often as possible and for the most part we have seen good value for money. If it had not been for the uncertainty of the ownership there would have probably seen many more take advantage of the reduced early bird prices. When Lee Power re-introduced the discounted season ticket for a week, he should have extended it for longer and allowed fans to pay on instalments. it was not possible to repair the McCrory damage in a 7 day window.

There is also the fact there are some fans that find the Cooper style of play boring and it has to be said some of the back passing are very risky when opposition like Coventry press because they expect sooner or later they will get a break from a bad pass as was the case yesterday when we wasted a corner to pass the ball all the way back to our only defender in our own half. That was down to Cooper's negative tactics which he changed in the second half which resulted in the reward of a goal from Branco.
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Bryne brilliant and worthy man if the match. Interesting comments on Waldron. Personally didn't think he was light weight at all. I thought he held the ball up and laid it off better than Smudger or Williams. Perhaps lacks a killer goal scorers instinct but no complaints at all from me. Considering the massive exertions of Tuesday thought we performed well. Felt sorry for Lellan with his mistake and interesting Cooper changed him and Branco around for the last ten/fifteen minutes. As has been our problem this year we need composer in the final third. Not just the strikers, Massimo should have taken that gilt edged chance in the first half and was guilty a couple of times in the second half of not finding free man. Not just him a lot are guilty of it, Smith and Bryne often wide open on edge of penalty area near the "d". I don't share the doom, think Power, Cooper, Williams and the staff doing a brilliant job. Would be lovely if a few more in the Town could realise and come and support as some of the football we are playing is superb. Also listening to interviews after the game on radio Wiltshire was very interesting. Brilliant to hear that are young players are spending a lot of afternoons going through tapes with Williams to improve their games individually and collectively. The nay Sayers will obviously disagree but I really have a feeling that the togetherness and desire of this group of players could take them a long way. Composure needed mind![/p][/quote]Good summary dreamo, i think your view on Waldron summed his game up better than my comment that he was light weight, I agree with you he did well holding the ball up well, but he never looked like he was likely to score. Lot of time for him to improve that part of his game though. Also agree with your comments on Luango missing that golden opportunity in the first half and not releasing it quick enough to others in the second half, he is a very good player, but does suffer from tunnel vision at times. With regards getting the stay away fans to return, I think it will be very difficult now. as IMO the incentives are not there to encourage them to be bothered to fork out top price for 3rd division football, maybe if we get the much needed striker and centre back in (Stephens was not included in Southampton squad yesterday), and can get into the play-off positions, it might be enough to change their mind. but not if we are content with mid table mediocrity. Having a season ticket obligates fans turning up as often as possible and for the most part we have seen good value for money. If it had not been for the uncertainty of the ownership there would have probably seen many more take advantage of the reduced early bird prices. When Lee Power re-introduced the discounted season ticket for a week, he should have extended it for longer and allowed fans to pay on instalments. it was not possible to repair the McCrory damage in a 7 day window. There is also the fact there are some fans that find the Cooper style of play boring and it has to be said some of the back passing are very risky when opposition like Coventry press because they expect sooner or later they will get a break from a bad pass as was the case yesterday when we wasted a corner to pass the ball all the way back to our only defender in our own half. That was down to Cooper's negative tactics which he changed in the second half which resulted in the reward of a goal from Branco. old town robin
  • Score: -1

9:45am Sun 31 Aug 14

umpcah says...

Many posters have recently commented on the Adver`s poor spelling and grammar - with justification i.m.o. However to " turn the coin over " I`m sick of posters referring to Bryne and Waldron ! Their names are BYRNE and WALDON !
Many posters have recently commented on the Adver`s poor spelling and grammar - with justification i.m.o. However to " turn the coin over " I`m sick of posters referring to Bryne and Waldron ! Their names are BYRNE and WALDON ! umpcah
  • Score: 3

10:18am Sun 31 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
TerryHubbard wrote:
Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold.
If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.
Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off.
30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show.
Pathetic.
Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.
Yes we should be getting bigger gates BUT ever since Jed and power took over their has been a gurt big cloud over the ground...

With all the crap that happened over the summer STFC did not sell themselves very well to say the least...

In the real world money is tight and a lot of Town fan dont trust or like what is happening at the club...So people tend to spend money else were
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerryHubbard[/bold] wrote: Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold. If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.[/p][/quote]Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off. 30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show. Pathetic. Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.[/p][/quote]Yes we should be getting bigger gates BUT ever since Jed and power took over their has been a gurt big cloud over the ground... With all the crap that happened over the summer STFC did not sell themselves very well to say the least... In the real world money is tight and a lot of Town fan dont trust or like what is happening at the club...So people tend to spend money else were dazzastfc
  • Score: -7

10:26am Sun 31 Aug 14

the don69 says...

dazzastfc wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
TerryHubbard wrote:
Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold.
If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.
Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off.
30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show.
Pathetic.
Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.
Yes we should be getting bigger gates BUT ever since Jed and power took over their has been a gurt big cloud over the ground...

With all the crap that happened over the summer STFC did not sell themselves very well to say the least...

In the real world money is tight and a lot of Town fan dont trust or like what is happening at the club...So people tend to spend money else were
Spot on Dazza, a lot of fans have said to me they don't like or trust what's happening and can't see the club moving forward without new investment, so they just don't go and spend their hard earned on other things!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerryHubbard[/bold] wrote: Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold. If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.[/p][/quote]Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off. 30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show. Pathetic. Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.[/p][/quote]Yes we should be getting bigger gates BUT ever since Jed and power took over their has been a gurt big cloud over the ground... With all the crap that happened over the summer STFC did not sell themselves very well to say the least... In the real world money is tight and a lot of Town fan dont trust or like what is happening at the club...So people tend to spend money else were[/p][/quote]Spot on Dazza, a lot of fans have said to me they don't like or trust what's happening and can't see the club moving forward without new investment, so they just don't go and spend their hard earned on other things!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: -5

10:44am Sun 31 Aug 14

swwindon61uk says...

Have to make another comment on ticket prices, i am in London January and out of curiosity had a look at the cost of going to a lower league game.
Dagenham £21 to sit down and Barnet £23
Crystal Palace is £45
Our prices are all in the same range of every team in our league and i really do believe the bigger problem for away support is now the actual cost of getting to the ground.
Have to make another comment on ticket prices, i am in London January and out of curiosity had a look at the cost of going to a lower league game. Dagenham £21 to sit down and Barnet £23 Crystal Palace is £45 Our prices are all in the same range of every team in our league and i really do believe the bigger problem for away support is now the actual cost of getting to the ground. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 4

11:31am Sun 31 Aug 14

avo says...

There comes a point when many people, especially families, get priced out of attending football on a regular basis.
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Sadly, despite having supported Swindon Town all of my life, this is now the case for me and my family. We were there on Tuesday night, we were not there yesterday. We simply cannot afford it.
There comes a point when many people, especially families, get priced out of attending football on a regular basis. . Sadly, despite having supported Swindon Town all of my life, this is now the case for me and my family. We were there on Tuesday night, we were not there yesterday. We simply cannot afford it. avo
  • Score: 0

11:49am Sun 31 Aug 14

South Stand says...

umpcah wrote:
Many posters have recently commented on the Adver`s poor spelling and grammar - with justification i.m.o. However to " turn the coin over " I`m sick of posters referring to Bryne and Waldron ! Their names are BYRNE and WALDON !
.................and they are not ARE players!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: Many posters have recently commented on the Adver`s poor spelling and grammar - with justification i.m.o. However to " turn the coin over " I`m sick of posters referring to Bryne and Waldron ! Their names are BYRNE and WALDON ![/p][/quote].................and they are not ARE players!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! South Stand
  • Score: -1

12:12pm Sun 31 Aug 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Apologies for any spelling mistakes sorry it upsets the pedants so much....

Old Town "tunnel vision" is an excellent term to describe Massimo at the moment. Some may say greedy! But sticking with tunnel vision I don't just see it as a problem for him but for our team as a whole with the possible exception of BYRNE who arguably should shoot more. Our football as Swindon61 says is the best we've played since the Hoddle era and if they can learn some composure in the final third we are going to be one hell of a team.

Still optimistic on players coming in and hopeful we don't sell any. But as I said above the factors that give me the greatest hope for this group of players is their clear togetherness and the willingness to learn individually and collectively. Words are of course cheap but no substitute for hard work. That doesn't have to be running the hills every day (although it helps)! but working with the ball on the style of play and learning in the classroom from watching video footage of previous games.

Extremely hopeful that the "word" will filter out and avo and others can find a way to get to more games. (avo that's not a dig, delighted you made it to Brighton game and I've a hunch despite Den and others dislike for it, we'll go far in the JPT again).

COYR
Apologies for any spelling mistakes sorry it upsets the pedants so much.... Old Town "tunnel vision" is an excellent term to describe Massimo at the moment. Some may say greedy! But sticking with tunnel vision I don't just see it as a problem for him but for our team as a whole with the possible exception of BYRNE who arguably should shoot more. Our football as Swindon61 says is the best we've played since the Hoddle era and if they can learn some composure in the final third we are going to be one hell of a team. Still optimistic on players coming in and hopeful we don't sell any. But as I said above the factors that give me the greatest hope for this group of players is their clear togetherness and the willingness to learn individually and collectively. Words are of course cheap but no substitute for hard work. That doesn't have to be running the hills every day (although it helps)! but working with the ball on the style of play and learning in the classroom from watching video footage of previous games. Extremely hopeful that the "word" will filter out and avo and others can find a way to get to more games. (avo that's not a dig, delighted you made it to Brighton game and I've a hunch despite Den and others dislike for it, we'll go far in the JPT again). COYR dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 1

12:28pm Sun 31 Aug 14

lifelong red says...

I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team . lifelong red
  • Score: -2

1:04pm Sun 31 Aug 14

swwindon61uk says...

lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 1

1:05pm Sun 31 Aug 14

South Stand says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Apologies for any spelling mistakes sorry it upsets the pedants so much....

Old Town "tunnel vision" is an excellent term to describe Massimo at the moment. Some may say greedy! But sticking with tunnel vision I don't just see it as a problem for him but for our team as a whole with the possible exception of BYRNE who arguably should shoot more. Our football as Swindon61 says is the best we've played since the Hoddle era and if they can learn some composure in the final third we are going to be one hell of a team.

Still optimistic on players coming in and hopeful we don't sell any. But as I said above the factors that give me the greatest hope for this group of players is their clear togetherness and the willingness to learn individually and collectively. Words are of course cheap but no substitute for hard work. That doesn't have to be running the hills every day (although it helps)! but working with the ball on the style of play and learning in the classroom from watching video footage of previous games.

Extremely hopeful that the "word" will filter out and avo and others can find a way to get to more games. (avo that's not a dig, delighted you made it to Brighton game and I've a hunch despite Den and others dislike for it, we'll go far in the JPT again).

COYR
Sorry Dreamo and yes, I can be pedantic at times but then so can most of the posters on here., depending on the topic.
Spelling isn't the major issue, as we all make spelling mistakes. There are two things that really get to me though and that is the wrong word being used. OF instead of HAVE and ARE instead of OUR. Surely it's basic stuff.
As regards the football. I am a ST holder and several mates who gave up last season(understandabl
y so to some extent), have started drifting back and been quite impressed with what they've seen. The main difference being that the ball is going forward in passing moves more directly this season. Yes, occasionally we resort to last seasons tactics and that cost us yesterday but generally speaking they have been excellent this time round. If we can get ourselves firmly into the top six I think we'll see many more fans come back(but not when there are three home games in one week, which is understandable).
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Apologies for any spelling mistakes sorry it upsets the pedants so much.... Old Town "tunnel vision" is an excellent term to describe Massimo at the moment. Some may say greedy! But sticking with tunnel vision I don't just see it as a problem for him but for our team as a whole with the possible exception of BYRNE who arguably should shoot more. Our football as Swindon61 says is the best we've played since the Hoddle era and if they can learn some composure in the final third we are going to be one hell of a team. Still optimistic on players coming in and hopeful we don't sell any. But as I said above the factors that give me the greatest hope for this group of players is their clear togetherness and the willingness to learn individually and collectively. Words are of course cheap but no substitute for hard work. That doesn't have to be running the hills every day (although it helps)! but working with the ball on the style of play and learning in the classroom from watching video footage of previous games. Extremely hopeful that the "word" will filter out and avo and others can find a way to get to more games. (avo that's not a dig, delighted you made it to Brighton game and I've a hunch despite Den and others dislike for it, we'll go far in the JPT again). COYR[/p][/quote]Sorry Dreamo and yes, I can be pedantic at times but then so can most of the posters on here., depending on the topic. Spelling isn't the major issue, as we all make spelling mistakes. There are two things that really get to me though and that is the wrong word being used. OF instead of HAVE and ARE instead of OUR. Surely it's basic stuff. As regards the football. I am a ST holder and several mates who gave up last season(understandabl y so to some extent), have started drifting back and been quite impressed with what they've seen. The main difference being that the ball is going forward in passing moves more directly this season. Yes, occasionally we resort to last seasons tactics and that cost us yesterday but generally speaking they have been excellent this time round. If we can get ourselves firmly into the top six I think we'll see many more fans come back(but not when there are three home games in one week, which is understandable). South Stand
  • Score: 1

1:25pm Sun 31 Aug 14

the wizard says...

Much talk about "investment" and tunnel vision. Many think of "investment" being in pure cash terms in paying big wages for bigger name players. Well various chairmen have tried that and it didn't really work.

Power on the other hand sees investment as getting in young players with a certain ability and further nurturing that ability and turning the player into the finished article which will attract decent bids and a good transfer fee when the player leaves. That fee being used towards further improvements within the club and team. To manage that he needs bums on seats to help pay the overheads. It's a slightly different approach to Black just shoveling money into the club and the club being no better off in still being a League One club when he left, OK minus debt, but the Black consortium did little in making the club pay for itself, it just relied on ifs, buts and maybes based on predictions by managers and Chairmen, none of which overhauled our position as a League One club. Power needs time, and yet despite us having a depleted squad through injury we still managed a good show and good performance yesterday, better than many predicted. I think Power has got many things right, and many things better than what we became used to, we were too comfy being bailed out year after year with Black, and I would rate Cooper as a far better manager, who actually managers his team, than quite a few before him. Some of the play may be boring, but while we have the ball, the other side cannot use it to score goals, and while we have position hopefully we can open up holes in the other side as they press forward in the hope if gaining possession. Maybe we also suffer from tunnel vision in what we expect as we became so used to what we had before, this is different and we need to see that, and look at the wider aspect of what is currently happening.
Much talk about "investment" and tunnel vision. Many think of "investment" being in pure cash terms in paying big wages for bigger name players. Well various chairmen have tried that and it didn't really work. Power on the other hand sees investment as getting in young players with a certain ability and further nurturing that ability and turning the player into the finished article which will attract decent bids and a good transfer fee when the player leaves. That fee being used towards further improvements within the club and team. To manage that he needs bums on seats to help pay the overheads. It's a slightly different approach to Black just shoveling money into the club and the club being no better off in still being a League One club when he left, OK minus debt, but the Black consortium did little in making the club pay for itself, it just relied on ifs, buts and maybes based on predictions by managers and Chairmen, none of which overhauled our position as a League One club. Power needs time, and yet despite us having a depleted squad through injury we still managed a good show and good performance yesterday, better than many predicted. I think Power has got many things right, and many things better than what we became used to, we were too comfy being bailed out year after year with Black, and I would rate Cooper as a far better manager, who actually managers his team, than quite a few before him. Some of the play may be boring, but while we have the ball, the other side cannot use it to score goals, and while we have position hopefully we can open up holes in the other side as they press forward in the hope if gaining possession. Maybe we also suffer from tunnel vision in what we expect as we became so used to what we had before, this is different and we need to see that, and look at the wider aspect of what is currently happening. the wizard
  • Score: 2

1:39pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

the don69 wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
TerryHubbard wrote:
Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold.
If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.
Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off.
30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show.
Pathetic.
Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.
Yes we should be getting bigger gates BUT ever since Jed and power took over their has been a gurt big cloud over the ground...

With all the crap that happened over the summer STFC did not sell themselves very well to say the least...

In the real world money is tight and a lot of Town fan dont trust or like what is happening at the club...So people tend to spend money else were
Spot on Dazza, a lot of fans have said to me they don't like or trust what's happening and can't see the club moving forward without new investment, so they just don't go and spend their hard earned on other things!!!!!!!!!
What ? Fans aren't prepared to spend £25 a game yet expect others to spend thousands and millions on "investment" for their football fix.

Smacks me like a group of 6 friends going to the pub for an evening out, but when it comes around to your round you decide to make an excuse to leave and don't get around to paying your share.

Sounds like we have too many with that sort of aspiration.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerryHubbard[/bold] wrote: Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold. If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.[/p][/quote]Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off. 30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show. Pathetic. Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.[/p][/quote]Yes we should be getting bigger gates BUT ever since Jed and power took over their has been a gurt big cloud over the ground... With all the crap that happened over the summer STFC did not sell themselves very well to say the least... In the real world money is tight and a lot of Town fan dont trust or like what is happening at the club...So people tend to spend money else were[/p][/quote]Spot on Dazza, a lot of fans have said to me they don't like or trust what's happening and can't see the club moving forward without new investment, so they just don't go and spend their hard earned on other things!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]What ? Fans aren't prepared to spend £25 a game yet expect others to spend thousands and millions on "investment" for their football fix. Smacks me like a group of 6 friends going to the pub for an evening out, but when it comes around to your round you decide to make an excuse to leave and don't get around to paying your share. Sounds like we have too many with that sort of aspiration. Cleuso
  • Score: 3

2:02pm Sun 31 Aug 14

the don69 says...

Cleuso wrote:
the don69 wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
TerryHubbard wrote:
Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold.
If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.
Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off.
30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show.
Pathetic.
Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.
Yes we should be getting bigger gates BUT ever since Jed and power took over their has been a gurt big cloud over the ground...

With all the crap that happened over the summer STFC did not sell themselves very well to say the least...

In the real world money is tight and a lot of Town fan dont trust or like what is happening at the club...So people tend to spend money else were
Spot on Dazza, a lot of fans have said to me they don't like or trust what's happening and can't see the club moving forward without new investment, so they just don't go and spend their hard earned on other things!!!!!!!!!
What ? Fans aren't prepared to spend £25 a game yet expect others to spend thousands and millions on "investment" for their football fix.

Smacks me like a group of 6 friends going to the pub for an evening out, but when it comes around to your round you decide to make an excuse to leave and don't get around to paying your share.

Sounds like we have too many with that sort of aspiration.
It's no good having a hissi fit Cleuso! I'm just giving some fans views of why their not going. I personally think Power and Coops are doing a good job and as Wiz states above need time, but a lot of fans think football club owners should spend millions to bring success to their clubs, one fan even said to me if a football club owner is not prepared to blow millions when he buys a club, then he shouldn't bother buying it lol!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerryHubbard[/bold] wrote: Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold. If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.[/p][/quote]Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off. 30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show. Pathetic. Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.[/p][/quote]Yes we should be getting bigger gates BUT ever since Jed and power took over their has been a gurt big cloud over the ground... With all the crap that happened over the summer STFC did not sell themselves very well to say the least... In the real world money is tight and a lot of Town fan dont trust or like what is happening at the club...So people tend to spend money else were[/p][/quote]Spot on Dazza, a lot of fans have said to me they don't like or trust what's happening and can't see the club moving forward without new investment, so they just don't go and spend their hard earned on other things!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]What ? Fans aren't prepared to spend £25 a game yet expect others to spend thousands and millions on "investment" for their football fix. Smacks me like a group of 6 friends going to the pub for an evening out, but when it comes around to your round you decide to make an excuse to leave and don't get around to paying your share. Sounds like we have too many with that sort of aspiration.[/p][/quote]It's no good having a hissi fit Cleuso! I'm just giving some fans views of why their not going. I personally think Power and Coops are doing a good job and as Wiz states above need time, but a lot of fans think football club owners should spend millions to bring success to their clubs, one fan even said to me if a football club owner is not prepared to blow millions when he buys a club, then he shouldn't bother buying it lol!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: -1

2:08pm Sun 31 Aug 14

lifelong red says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out . lifelong red
  • Score: -1

3:41pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see. Wilesy
  • Score: -8

3:59pm Sun 31 Aug 14

umpcah says...

Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ? umpcah
  • Score: -2

3:59pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

the don69 wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
the don69 wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
TerryHubbard wrote:
Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold.
If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.
Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off.
30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show.
Pathetic.
Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.
Yes we should be getting bigger gates BUT ever since Jed and power took over their has been a gurt big cloud over the ground...

With all the crap that happened over the summer STFC did not sell themselves very well to say the least...

In the real world money is tight and a lot of Town fan dont trust or like what is happening at the club...So people tend to spend money else were
Spot on Dazza, a lot of fans have said to me they don't like or trust what's happening and can't see the club moving forward without new investment, so they just don't go and spend their hard earned on other things!!!!!!!!!
What ? Fans aren't prepared to spend £25 a game yet expect others to spend thousands and millions on "investment" for their football fix.

Smacks me like a group of 6 friends going to the pub for an evening out, but when it comes around to your round you decide to make an excuse to leave and don't get around to paying your share.

Sounds like we have too many with that sort of aspiration.
It's no good having a hissi fit Cleuso! I'm just giving some fans views of why their not going. I personally think Power and Coops are doing a good job and as Wiz states above need time, but a lot of fans think football club owners should spend millions to bring success to their clubs, one fan even said to me if a football club owner is not prepared to blow millions when he buys a club, then he shouldn't bother buying it lol!!!!!!
No my comment wasn't directed at you Don or any fan that goes regularly, it's those that always find some excuse not to go and yet continually offer negative views on the club, the team or what ever they choose to make their the root cause of their issues.

We see it on here, week after week, the same individuals / supporters being critical of one element or not of the club that gets fed on and replicated by the media and anyone who is in the same camp.

Until attitudes change within the Town amongst that type of individual progress will be a roller coaster irrespective of how much money is thrown at it by owners from one year to the next.

We need a sustainable model and that isn't delivered in a single stroke and anyone who wants instant gratification and glamour can turn their allegiance to different premier league clubs week by week depending on which one is in fashion.

We are Swindon, we have what we have got and that includes a very loyal bunch of fans who stick with the club and team and to coin a phrase, through thick and thin and understand sometimes things are not always perfect.

It is that loyalty that means we still have a club to support, those fans that deserve the plaudits when things go really well.

What we are witnessing and can see on the field, is a footballing revolution, as good as the best seen over many many years , sadly some are still living in the past of the lump it and run style with little finesse and have not yet caught up.

Coventry tried to play the same way as us yesterday and it was quite apparent they were less competent at retaining possession than we were... we are streets ahead of many in this respect, listen to other managers who rarely praise the opposition and it's little surprise that we are building a really footballing reputation within the game itself.

The word trust is one where some choose to believe any thing they want egged on by the those with some sort of axe to grind. It's up to those fans who believe in the club to get out there spread the word before those of a negative ilk bring yet another bout of apathy to the club and it once again goes backwards in terms of development.

I think by the way your final sentence hits the nail on the head. Far too many believe in the fairy godmother/father approach and won't get off their backsides to do anything to help. They are seduced by the overbloated premier league feted by media who love a story where clubs are paying £50 million for a single player...We are closer to the real world , but some still have the same expectancy at our club and would prefer we spend our way into oblivion. That situation is not for me.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerryHubbard[/bold] wrote: Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold. If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.[/p][/quote]Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off. 30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show. Pathetic. Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.[/p][/quote]Yes we should be getting bigger gates BUT ever since Jed and power took over their has been a gurt big cloud over the ground... With all the crap that happened over the summer STFC did not sell themselves very well to say the least... In the real world money is tight and a lot of Town fan dont trust or like what is happening at the club...So people tend to spend money else were[/p][/quote]Spot on Dazza, a lot of fans have said to me they don't like or trust what's happening and can't see the club moving forward without new investment, so they just don't go and spend their hard earned on other things!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]What ? Fans aren't prepared to spend £25 a game yet expect others to spend thousands and millions on "investment" for their football fix. Smacks me like a group of 6 friends going to the pub for an evening out, but when it comes around to your round you decide to make an excuse to leave and don't get around to paying your share. Sounds like we have too many with that sort of aspiration.[/p][/quote]It's no good having a hissi fit Cleuso! I'm just giving some fans views of why their not going. I personally think Power and Coops are doing a good job and as Wiz states above need time, but a lot of fans think football club owners should spend millions to bring success to their clubs, one fan even said to me if a football club owner is not prepared to blow millions when he buys a club, then he shouldn't bother buying it lol!!!!!![/p][/quote]No my comment wasn't directed at you Don or any fan that goes regularly, it's those that always find some excuse not to go and yet continually offer negative views on the club, the team or what ever they choose to make their the root cause of their issues. We see it on here, week after week, the same individuals / supporters being critical of one element or not of the club that gets fed on and replicated by the media and anyone who is in the same camp. Until attitudes change within the Town amongst that type of individual progress will be a roller coaster irrespective of how much money is thrown at it by owners from one year to the next. We need a sustainable model and that isn't delivered in a single stroke and anyone who wants instant gratification and glamour can turn their allegiance to different premier league clubs week by week depending on which one is in fashion. We are Swindon, we have what we have got and that includes a very loyal bunch of fans who stick with the club and team and to coin a phrase, through thick and thin and understand sometimes things are not always perfect. It is that loyalty that means we still have a club to support, those fans that deserve the plaudits when things go really well. What we are witnessing and can see on the field, is a footballing revolution, as good as the best seen over many many years , sadly some are still living in the past of the lump it and run style with little finesse and have not yet caught up. Coventry tried to play the same way as us yesterday and it was quite apparent they were less competent at retaining possession than we were... we are streets ahead of many in this respect, listen to other managers who rarely praise the opposition and it's little surprise that we are building a really footballing reputation within the game itself. The word trust is one where some choose to believe any thing they want egged on by the those with some sort of axe to grind. It's up to those fans who believe in the club to get out there spread the word before those of a negative ilk bring yet another bout of apathy to the club and it once again goes backwards in terms of development. I think by the way your final sentence hits the nail on the head. Far too many believe in the fairy godmother/father approach and won't get off their backsides to do anything to help. They are seduced by the overbloated premier league feted by media who love a story where clubs are paying £50 million for a single player...We are closer to the real world , but some still have the same expectancy at our club and would prefer we spend our way into oblivion. That situation is not for me. Cleuso
  • Score: 10

4:35pm Sun 31 Aug 14

lifelong red says...

Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely . lifelong red
  • Score: 1

4:47pm Sun 31 Aug 14

lifelong red says...

lifelong red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .
Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .[/p][/quote]Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact. lifelong red
  • Score: -2

5:04pm Sun 31 Aug 14

lifelong red says...

umpcah wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?
We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?[/p][/quote]We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo. lifelong red
  • Score: -2

5:19pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

lifelong red wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .
Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.
-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .[/p][/quote]Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.[/p][/quote]-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday Wilesy
  • Score: -2

6:57pm Sun 31 Aug 14

castle9 says...

Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .
Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.
-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday
Does it not occur to you that the reason you are getting minuses is that your comment are excessively harsh.Yes he made a mistake that led to a goal, but the lad is NINETEEN!!!!

He has played a handful of league games and he is liable to make a mistake - that is how you learn.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .[/p][/quote]Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.[/p][/quote]-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday[/p][/quote]Does it not occur to you that the reason you are getting minuses is that your comment are excessively harsh.Yes he made a mistake that led to a goal, but the lad is NINETEEN!!!! He has played a handful of league games and he is liable to make a mistake - that is how you learn. castle9
  • Score: 9

8:03pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

lifelong red wrote:
umpcah wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?
We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.
What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?[/p][/quote]We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.[/p][/quote]What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today. Cleuso
  • Score: 5

8:33pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

castle9 wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .
Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.
-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday
Does it not occur to you that the reason you are getting minuses is that your comment are excessively harsh.Yes he made a mistake that led to a goal, but the lad is NINETEEN!!!!

He has played a handful of league games and he is liable to make a mistake - that is how you learn.
Yeah it did occur to be it was harsh, see the last sentence "sorry if I'm being harsh"

No criticism made of the error because these things happen. It's a shame as he is OK with the ball at his feet. Unfortunately a centre back who wins virtually no headers isn't a very good centre back.

On the subject of not ready for the first team I'm still waiting what Barker has to offer as I've seen nothing yet. Yesterday he was playing through the pain barrier so that's excused but he doesn't look likely to trouble the net from what I've seen.

Should add I hope both improve and I would love to be completely wrong if Cooper perseveres but 'could do better' at this point.
[quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .[/p][/quote]Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.[/p][/quote]-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday[/p][/quote]Does it not occur to you that the reason you are getting minuses is that your comment are excessively harsh.Yes he made a mistake that led to a goal, but the lad is NINETEEN!!!! He has played a handful of league games and he is liable to make a mistake - that is how you learn.[/p][/quote]Yeah it did occur to be it was harsh, see the last sentence "sorry if I'm being harsh" No criticism made of the error because these things happen. It's a shame as he is OK with the ball at his feet. Unfortunately a centre back who wins virtually no headers isn't a very good centre back. On the subject of not ready for the first team I'm still waiting what Barker has to offer as I've seen nothing yet. Yesterday he was playing through the pain barrier so that's excused but he doesn't look likely to trouble the net from what I've seen. Should add I hope both improve and I would love to be completely wrong if Cooper perseveres but 'could do better' at this point. Wilesy
  • Score: 1

8:40pm Sun 31 Aug 14

swwindon61uk says...

Cleuso wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
umpcah wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?
We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.
What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.
Well he was to blame for the Notts County goal today could not handle a ball punted down the middle!.
£300.000 was a great price we got for him.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?[/p][/quote]We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.[/p][/quote]What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.[/p][/quote]Well he was to blame for the Notts County goal today could not handle a ball punted down the middle!. £300.000 was a great price we got for him. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 1

8:42pm Sun 31 Aug 14

swwindon61uk says...

Also see Storey is on the bench for Portsmouth now.
Also see Storey is on the bench for Portsmouth now. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 2

8:51pm Sun 31 Aug 14

lifelong red says...

Cleuso wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
umpcah wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?
We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.
What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.
I understand what your saying about Flint - couln"nt pass the ball for nuts and was clumsy in possession - but he was pretty solid as a defender and could win headers - that was the part of his game I was alluding to when I said Flint type .
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?[/p][/quote]We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.[/p][/quote]What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.[/p][/quote]I understand what your saying about Flint - couln"nt pass the ball for nuts and was clumsy in possession - but he was pretty solid as a defender and could win headers - that was the part of his game I was alluding to when I said Flint type . lifelong red
  • Score: -1

9:14pm Sun 31 Aug 14

lifelong red says...

Castle 9 ... I was not referring to his error - that was very unfortunate and could happen to anyone - remember Gerrards clanger for Liverpool v Chelsea last season - but with Lelan , as a defender , his defensive qualities are not good even for a lad of nineteen - yet with the ball at his feet going forward he looks very accomplished and passes the ball well - perhaps the the more game time he gets at this level will improve him as a defender , I certainly hope it does .
Castle 9 ... I was not referring to his error - that was very unfortunate and could happen to anyone - remember Gerrards clanger for Liverpool v Chelsea last season - but with Lelan , as a defender , his defensive qualities are not good even for a lad of nineteen - yet with the ball at his feet going forward he looks very accomplished and passes the ball well - perhaps the the more game time he gets at this level will improve him as a defender , I certainly hope it does . lifelong red
  • Score: 0

9:26pm Sun 31 Aug 14

We are PANTS says...

lifelong red wrote:
Castle 9 ... I was not referring to his error - that was very unfortunate and could happen to anyone - remember Gerrards clanger for Liverpool v Chelsea last season - but with Lelan , as a defender , his defensive qualities are not good even for a lad of nineteen - yet with the ball at his feet going forward he looks very accomplished and passes the ball well - perhaps the the more game time he gets at this level will improve him as a defender , I certainly hope it does .
Totally agree... I have seen him twice now and think he is really quite poor.. His game is riddled with errors and I cannot see him playing for us again. You can't really use the age thing as an excuse as all the players around him are all about the same age.. You don't see those players making half as many mistakes. Just my view...
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: Castle 9 ... I was not referring to his error - that was very unfortunate and could happen to anyone - remember Gerrards clanger for Liverpool v Chelsea last season - but with Lelan , as a defender , his defensive qualities are not good even for a lad of nineteen - yet with the ball at his feet going forward he looks very accomplished and passes the ball well - perhaps the the more game time he gets at this level will improve him as a defender , I certainly hope it does .[/p][/quote]Totally agree... I have seen him twice now and think he is really quite poor.. His game is riddled with errors and I cannot see him playing for us again. You can't really use the age thing as an excuse as all the players around him are all about the same age.. You don't see those players making half as many mistakes. Just my view... We are PANTS
  • Score: 1

9:32pm Sun 31 Aug 14

the wizard says...

swwindon61uk says...
Also see Storey is on the bench for Portsmouth now.

And I think he scored the other week too.

I notice that quite a few of our "old players" had a good day yesterday. Cox and Austin had blinders too.

If only we were so lucky ....................
.. you never know, the next one incoming could be, "just another Austin" that would do nicely.
swwindon61uk says... Also see Storey is on the bench for Portsmouth now. And I think he scored the other week too. I notice that quite a few of our "old players" had a good day yesterday. Cox and Austin had blinders too. If only we were so lucky .................... .. you never know, the next one incoming could be, "just another Austin" that would do nicely. the wizard
  • Score: -1

9:46pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Oxon-Red says...

I have had the pleasure of seeing Swindon Town FitC Girls teams performing this week-end and they are being coached to play the same way as the STFC team we watch. IMO it was great to see three of the teams play against the boys and compete by playing football on the floor.

Having watched a fair bit of kids football over the last few years it is refreshing to see much more of the pass and move taking over from the lump it and hope. What is clear to me is a big kick up-field is to often greeted with pleasure by parents and often managers.

Having recently attended an FA coaching course it is clear they want the more patient approach and the introduction of non-result recording at U10/U11 is an attempt to take away the over-competitiveness or win at all costs attitude. I do feel sometimes we see this approach scorned by the lump-it brigade on here.

Kids want to play football, yes they want to win but how should they be taught ? Should we force them and castigate them if they fail ?

Or teach them to learn from their mistakes (which does require patience) ?

I think the same can be said about Town's approach. Lelan, an 18 year old making his 2nd start in professional football is not good enough because it cost a goal. He didn't win enough headers against seasoned pros ! Let's give up on him and others because we lost or conceded and lets do the same to our U6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, 10s, 11s, 12s etc.

The young kids need patience and IMO our young STFC side at times needs the same. They have improved since last season and are now moving the ball around quicker with confidence.

Things to work on, yes definitely but should we always expect Jam tomorrow,

If what I witnessed this week-end is being echoed in the male side I feel the future for young home-grown talent is excellent. May take a year or two but feel we may see dividends if we are prepared to wait.

COYMR
I have had the pleasure of seeing Swindon Town FitC Girls teams performing this week-end and they are being coached to play the same way as the STFC team we watch. IMO it was great to see three of the teams play against the boys and compete by playing football on the floor. Having watched a fair bit of kids football over the last few years it is refreshing to see much more of the pass and move taking over from the lump it and hope. What is clear to me is a big kick up-field is to often greeted with pleasure by parents and often managers. Having recently attended an FA coaching course it is clear they want the more patient approach and the introduction of non-result recording at U10/U11 is an attempt to take away the over-competitiveness or win at all costs attitude. I do feel sometimes we see this approach scorned by the lump-it brigade on here. Kids want to play football, yes they want to win but how should they be taught ? Should we force them and castigate them if they fail ? Or teach them to learn from their mistakes (which does require patience) ? I think the same can be said about Town's approach. Lelan, an 18 year old making his 2nd start in professional football is not good enough because it cost a goal. He didn't win enough headers against seasoned pros ! Let's give up on him and others because we lost or conceded and lets do the same to our U6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, 10s, 11s, 12s etc. The young kids need patience and IMO our young STFC side at times needs the same. They have improved since last season and are now moving the ball around quicker with confidence. Things to work on, yes definitely but should we always expect Jam tomorrow, If what I witnessed this week-end is being echoed in the male side I feel the future for young home-grown talent is excellent. May take a year or two but feel we may see dividends if we are prepared to wait. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: -1

10:00pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
umpcah wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?
We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.
What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.
Well he was to blame for the Notts County goal today could not handle a ball punted down the middle!.
£300.000 was a great price we got for him.
£300,000 would have been a great price if we'd replaced him with someone of the same standard or better but we haven't even come close to that. If anyone seriously believes that it's good business to collect £300k at the expense of leaving the defence weaker, they watch a different game of football from the one I see.

We haven't had a proper captain since Greer left four years ago. I always saw Flint as a captain in the making. He was still a bit raw and sometimes rash but he was maturing fast at the time he left. No, he isn't a sweet passing footballer. I sometimes wonder if people forget the level we're playing at. We don't need young Alan Hansens at the back; we just need solid defenders.

We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending. I believe it also tells us something about the recruitment policy. It simply cannot be true that there are no decent central defenders at lower division level who would consider a move to us. We can't go on saying how wonderful we are when we're picking up barely 50% of the available points.

Note to Cleuso: it is not a straight choice between slow tip tap stuff and hoofball. It's perfectly possible to mix up both the tempo and the length of passing.

At this level, defenders like Flint can be the bedrock of success. Trial and error with hopefuls who can't get a game with their own clubs - and will not be here long anyway is exactly that - a hit and miss policy. Also, on this forum we discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the squad. That's not being negative. It's balance and perspective. If we only ever discuss the strengths, what is the point?
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?[/p][/quote]We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.[/p][/quote]What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.[/p][/quote]Well he was to blame for the Notts County goal today could not handle a ball punted down the middle!. £300.000 was a great price we got for him.[/p][/quote]£300,000 would have been a great price if we'd replaced him with someone of the same standard or better but we haven't even come close to that. If anyone seriously believes that it's good business to collect £300k at the expense of leaving the defence weaker, they watch a different game of football from the one I see. We haven't had a proper captain since Greer left four years ago. I always saw Flint as a captain in the making. He was still a bit raw and sometimes rash but he was maturing fast at the time he left. No, he isn't a sweet passing footballer. I sometimes wonder if people forget the level we're playing at. We don't need young Alan Hansens at the back; we just need solid defenders. We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending. I believe it also tells us something about the recruitment policy. It simply cannot be true that there are no decent central defenders at lower division level who would consider a move to us. We can't go on saying how wonderful we are when we're picking up barely 50% of the available points. Note to Cleuso: it is not a straight choice between slow tip tap stuff and hoofball. It's perfectly possible to mix up both the tempo and the length of passing. At this level, defenders like Flint can be the bedrock of success. Trial and error with hopefuls who can't get a game with their own clubs - and will not be here long anyway is exactly that - a hit and miss policy. Also, on this forum we discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the squad. That's not being negative. It's balance and perspective. If we only ever discuss the strengths, what is the point? Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

10:02pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Oxon-Red says...

Wilesy wrote:
castle9 wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .
Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.
-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday
Does it not occur to you that the reason you are getting minuses is that your comment are excessively harsh.Yes he made a mistake that led to a goal, but the lad is NINETEEN!!!!

He has played a handful of league games and he is liable to make a mistake - that is how you learn.
Yeah it did occur to be it was harsh, see the last sentence "sorry if I'm being harsh"

No criticism made of the error because these things happen. It's a shame as he is OK with the ball at his feet. Unfortunately a centre back who wins virtually no headers isn't a very good centre back.

On the subject of not ready for the first team I'm still waiting what Barker has to offer as I've seen nothing yet. Yesterday he was playing through the pain barrier so that's excused but he doesn't look likely to trouble the net from what I've seen.

Should add I hope both improve and I would love to be completely wrong if Cooper perseveres but 'could do better' at this point.
Isn't a very good centre back or one that needs to learn to add it to his game ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .[/p][/quote]Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.[/p][/quote]-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday[/p][/quote]Does it not occur to you that the reason you are getting minuses is that your comment are excessively harsh.Yes he made a mistake that led to a goal, but the lad is NINETEEN!!!! He has played a handful of league games and he is liable to make a mistake - that is how you learn.[/p][/quote]Yeah it did occur to be it was harsh, see the last sentence "sorry if I'm being harsh" No criticism made of the error because these things happen. It's a shame as he is OK with the ball at his feet. Unfortunately a centre back who wins virtually no headers isn't a very good centre back. On the subject of not ready for the first team I'm still waiting what Barker has to offer as I've seen nothing yet. Yesterday he was playing through the pain barrier so that's excused but he doesn't look likely to trouble the net from what I've seen. Should add I hope both improve and I would love to be completely wrong if Cooper perseveres but 'could do better' at this point.[/p][/quote]Isn't a very good centre back or one that needs to learn to add it to his game ? COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

10:04pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
I have had the pleasure of seeing Swindon Town FitC Girls teams performing this week-end and they are being coached to play the same way as the STFC team we watch. IMO it was great to see three of the teams play against the boys and compete by playing football on the floor.

Having watched a fair bit of kids football over the last few years it is refreshing to see much more of the pass and move taking over from the lump it and hope. What is clear to me is a big kick up-field is to often greeted with pleasure by parents and often managers.

Having recently attended an FA coaching course it is clear they want the more patient approach and the introduction of non-result recording at U10/U11 is an attempt to take away the over-competitiveness or win at all costs attitude. I do feel sometimes we see this approach scorned by the lump-it brigade on here.

Kids want to play football, yes they want to win but how should they be taught ? Should we force them and castigate them if they fail ?

Or teach them to learn from their mistakes (which does require patience) ?

I think the same can be said about Town's approach. Lelan, an 18 year old making his 2nd start in professional football is not good enough because it cost a goal. He didn't win enough headers against seasoned pros ! Let's give up on him and others because we lost or conceded and lets do the same to our U6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, 10s, 11s, 12s etc.

The young kids need patience and IMO our young STFC side at times needs the same. They have improved since last season and are now moving the ball around quicker with confidence.

Things to work on, yes definitely but should we always expect Jam tomorrow,

If what I witnessed this week-end is being echoed in the male side I feel the future for young home-grown talent is excellent. May take a year or two but feel we may see dividends if we are prepared to wait.

COYMR
Good post Oxon but 2 issues with it.

1 - there is no guarantee that every young player will be good enough to play for Swindon, even given time. I think Lelan is some way short of where he needs to be to be a centre back, hence the comments. Others eg, Luongo, Pritchard, Louis, etc etc looked good from the start. Others looked promising and worth persevering with before decision time, eg Bodin, Storey, maybe Waldon.

2 - don't forget Lelan is on a month to month loan from a Championship club, so my expectation for that type of loan is they should be ready and also better than what we've got. Different to the nurturing season long type of loan.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: I have had the pleasure of seeing Swindon Town FitC Girls teams performing this week-end and they are being coached to play the same way as the STFC team we watch. IMO it was great to see three of the teams play against the boys and compete by playing football on the floor. Having watched a fair bit of kids football over the last few years it is refreshing to see much more of the pass and move taking over from the lump it and hope. What is clear to me is a big kick up-field is to often greeted with pleasure by parents and often managers. Having recently attended an FA coaching course it is clear they want the more patient approach and the introduction of non-result recording at U10/U11 is an attempt to take away the over-competitiveness or win at all costs attitude. I do feel sometimes we see this approach scorned by the lump-it brigade on here. Kids want to play football, yes they want to win but how should they be taught ? Should we force them and castigate them if they fail ? Or teach them to learn from their mistakes (which does require patience) ? I think the same can be said about Town's approach. Lelan, an 18 year old making his 2nd start in professional football is not good enough because it cost a goal. He didn't win enough headers against seasoned pros ! Let's give up on him and others because we lost or conceded and lets do the same to our U6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, 10s, 11s, 12s etc. The young kids need patience and IMO our young STFC side at times needs the same. They have improved since last season and are now moving the ball around quicker with confidence. Things to work on, yes definitely but should we always expect Jam tomorrow, If what I witnessed this week-end is being echoed in the male side I feel the future for young home-grown talent is excellent. May take a year or two but feel we may see dividends if we are prepared to wait. COYMR[/p][/quote]Good post Oxon but 2 issues with it. 1 - there is no guarantee that every young player will be good enough to play for Swindon, even given time. I think Lelan is some way short of where he needs to be to be a centre back, hence the comments. Others eg, Luongo, Pritchard, Louis, etc etc looked good from the start. Others looked promising and worth persevering with before decision time, eg Bodin, Storey, maybe Waldon. 2 - don't forget Lelan is on a month to month loan from a Championship club, so my expectation for that type of loan is they should be ready and also better than what we've got. Different to the nurturing season long type of loan. Wilesy
  • Score: 0

10:11pm Sun 31 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

the wizard wrote:
Much talk about "investment" and tunnel vision. Many think of "investment" being in pure cash terms in paying big wages for bigger name players. Well various chairmen have tried that and it didn't really work.

Power on the other hand sees investment as getting in young players with a certain ability and further nurturing that ability and turning the player into the finished article which will attract decent bids and a good transfer fee when the player leaves. That fee being used towards further improvements within the club and team. To manage that he needs bums on seats to help pay the overheads. It's a slightly different approach to Black just shoveling money into the club and the club being no better off in still being a League One club when he left, OK minus debt, but the Black consortium did little in making the club pay for itself, it just relied on ifs, buts and maybes based on predictions by managers and Chairmen, none of which overhauled our position as a League One club. Power needs time, and yet despite us having a depleted squad through injury we still managed a good show and good performance yesterday, better than many predicted. I think Power has got many things right, and many things better than what we became used to, we were too comfy being bailed out year after year with Black, and I would rate Cooper as a far better manager, who actually managers his team, than quite a few before him. Some of the play may be boring, but while we have the ball, the other side cannot use it to score goals, and while we have position hopefully we can open up holes in the other side as they press forward in the hope if gaining possession. Maybe we also suffer from tunnel vision in what we expect as we became so used to what we had before, this is different and we need to see that, and look at the wider aspect of what is currently happening.
I love Lee 😍😍😍😍❤
❤️❤️❤️
❤️yours always Your devoted servant Wizard xx
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Much talk about "investment" and tunnel vision. Many think of "investment" being in pure cash terms in paying big wages for bigger name players. Well various chairmen have tried that and it didn't really work. Power on the other hand sees investment as getting in young players with a certain ability and further nurturing that ability and turning the player into the finished article which will attract decent bids and a good transfer fee when the player leaves. That fee being used towards further improvements within the club and team. To manage that he needs bums on seats to help pay the overheads. It's a slightly different approach to Black just shoveling money into the club and the club being no better off in still being a League One club when he left, OK minus debt, but the Black consortium did little in making the club pay for itself, it just relied on ifs, buts and maybes based on predictions by managers and Chairmen, none of which overhauled our position as a League One club. Power needs time, and yet despite us having a depleted squad through injury we still managed a good show and good performance yesterday, better than many predicted. I think Power has got many things right, and many things better than what we became used to, we were too comfy being bailed out year after year with Black, and I would rate Cooper as a far better manager, who actually managers his team, than quite a few before him. Some of the play may be boring, but while we have the ball, the other side cannot use it to score goals, and while we have position hopefully we can open up holes in the other side as they press forward in the hope if gaining possession. Maybe we also suffer from tunnel vision in what we expect as we became so used to what we had before, this is different and we need to see that, and look at the wider aspect of what is currently happening.[/p][/quote]I love Lee 😍😍😍😍❤ ❤️❤️❤️ ❤️yours always Your devoted servant Wizard xx The Jockster
  • Score: -1

10:15pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
castle9 wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .
Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.
-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday
Does it not occur to you that the reason you are getting minuses is that your comment are excessively harsh.Yes he made a mistake that led to a goal, but the lad is NINETEEN!!!!

He has played a handful of league games and he is liable to make a mistake - that is how you learn.
Yeah it did occur to be it was harsh, see the last sentence "sorry if I'm being harsh"

No criticism made of the error because these things happen. It's a shame as he is OK with the ball at his feet. Unfortunately a centre back who wins virtually no headers isn't a very good centre back.

On the subject of not ready for the first team I'm still waiting what Barker has to offer as I've seen nothing yet. Yesterday he was playing through the pain barrier so that's excused but he doesn't look likely to trouble the net from what I've seen.

Should add I hope both improve and I would love to be completely wrong if Cooper perseveres but 'could do better' at this point.
Isn't a very good centre back or one that needs to learn to add it to his game ?

COYMR
Isn't very good at the moment. Needs to strengthen and learn to time his jumps which will take time but if he can do that he may have a chance as his deck game looks better.

Don't think it will matter though as I doubt he will play for us again after 2 such poor games.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .[/p][/quote]Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.[/p][/quote]-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday[/p][/quote]Does it not occur to you that the reason you are getting minuses is that your comment are excessively harsh.Yes he made a mistake that led to a goal, but the lad is NINETEEN!!!! He has played a handful of league games and he is liable to make a mistake - that is how you learn.[/p][/quote]Yeah it did occur to be it was harsh, see the last sentence "sorry if I'm being harsh" No criticism made of the error because these things happen. It's a shame as he is OK with the ball at his feet. Unfortunately a centre back who wins virtually no headers isn't a very good centre back. On the subject of not ready for the first team I'm still waiting what Barker has to offer as I've seen nothing yet. Yesterday he was playing through the pain barrier so that's excused but he doesn't look likely to trouble the net from what I've seen. Should add I hope both improve and I would love to be completely wrong if Cooper perseveres but 'could do better' at this point.[/p][/quote]Isn't a very good centre back or one that needs to learn to add it to his game ? COYMR[/p][/quote]Isn't very good at the moment. Needs to strengthen and learn to time his jumps which will take time but if he can do that he may have a chance as his deck game looks better. Don't think it will matter though as I doubt he will play for us again after 2 such poor games. Wilesy
  • Score: 0

10:17pm Sun 31 Aug 14

castle9 says...

''We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending.''

Not quite sure how you managed to draw that conclusion. We have only lost 2 out of 7 - and one of those was after extra time to a Championship Club when we had 10 players!!

If anything, it is the quality of our finishing that has been lacking.

However, the quality of football on show is excellent, some of the skills demonstrated by Yaser and Mass is absolutely outstanding and the job being done by Mark Cooper is admirable in the circumstances. COYR.
''We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending.'' Not quite sure how you managed to draw that conclusion. We have only lost 2 out of 7 - and one of those was after extra time to a Championship Club when we had 10 players!! If anything, it is the quality of our finishing that has been lacking. However, the quality of football on show is excellent, some of the skills demonstrated by Yaser and Mass is absolutely outstanding and the job being done by Mark Cooper is admirable in the circumstances. COYR. castle9
  • Score: 1

10:28pm Sun 31 Aug 14

hertz says...

Why cant we play Ward at the back if only for 45 mins is he really that bad now ?
Why cant we play Ward at the back if only for 45 mins is he really that bad now ? hertz
  • Score: 0

10:29pm Sun 31 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Cleuso wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
umpcah wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?
We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.
What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.
Tosh Cleuso, if we had Flint in the middle or someone of his ilk we probably wouldn't have conceded at least four sloppy goals already by being stretched at the back. Give me a defender any day who defends first and foremost and if necessary puts it in Row z to do so. IMO at the time of his departure his on the ground distribution was improving all the time. He's head and shoulders above anything we have in defence at the moment and his height was an extra bonus. He seems to be doing well at City after a shaky start.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?[/p][/quote]We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.[/p][/quote]What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.[/p][/quote]Tosh Cleuso, if we had Flint in the middle or someone of his ilk we probably wouldn't have conceded at least four sloppy goals already by being stretched at the back. Give me a defender any day who defends first and foremost and if necessary puts it in Row z to do so. IMO at the time of his departure his on the ground distribution was improving all the time. He's head and shoulders above anything we have in defence at the moment and his height was an extra bonus. He seems to be doing well at City after a shaky start. The Jockster
  • Score: -1

10:34pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
umpcah wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?
We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.
What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.
Well he was to blame for the Notts County goal today could not handle a ball punted down the middle!.
£300.000 was a great price we got for him.
£300,000 would have been a great price if we'd replaced him with someone of the same standard or better but we haven't even come close to that. If anyone seriously believes that it's good business to collect £300k at the expense of leaving the defence weaker, they watch a different game of football from the one I see.

We haven't had a proper captain since Greer left four years ago. I always saw Flint as a captain in the making. He was still a bit raw and sometimes rash but he was maturing fast at the time he left. No, he isn't a sweet passing footballer. I sometimes wonder if people forget the level we're playing at. We don't need young Alan Hansens at the back; we just need solid defenders.

We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending. I believe it also tells us something about the recruitment policy. It simply cannot be true that there are no decent central defenders at lower division level who would consider a move to us. We can't go on saying how wonderful we are when we're picking up barely 50% of the available points.

Note to Cleuso: it is not a straight choice between slow tip tap stuff and hoofball. It's perfectly possible to mix up both the tempo and the length of passing.

At this level, defenders like Flint can be the bedrock of success. Trial and error with hopefuls who can't get a game with their own clubs - and will not be here long anyway is exactly that - a hit and miss policy. Also, on this forum we discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the squad. That's not being negative. It's balance and perspective. If we only ever discuss the strengths, what is the point?
Den,

I see similarities between Branco and Flint. Footballing background, rashness and heart on sleeve. Big difference for me at the moment at a similar stage of there career is that Branco is far better on the ball.

Loved Aden and his attitude but guess in the Wilson/Paolo era he was on a far higher wage than Branco.

Aden was offered a contract with Town but chose City ! Why ?

Money, don't blame him he improved his standard of living as most of us would do.

Don't follow the trial and error with hopefuls. I suspect this is a dig at the loan system. Agree, not ideal but haven't we done trial and error with seasoned as well over the last 5-6 years.

We have picked up some excellent players that have signed after being on loan one notably one being Simon Cox. We have two more currently at Town who were originally signed on loan. I therefore don't concur with your length of stay argument.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?[/p][/quote]We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.[/p][/quote]What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.[/p][/quote]Well he was to blame for the Notts County goal today could not handle a ball punted down the middle!. £300.000 was a great price we got for him.[/p][/quote]£300,000 would have been a great price if we'd replaced him with someone of the same standard or better but we haven't even come close to that. If anyone seriously believes that it's good business to collect £300k at the expense of leaving the defence weaker, they watch a different game of football from the one I see. We haven't had a proper captain since Greer left four years ago. I always saw Flint as a captain in the making. He was still a bit raw and sometimes rash but he was maturing fast at the time he left. No, he isn't a sweet passing footballer. I sometimes wonder if people forget the level we're playing at. We don't need young Alan Hansens at the back; we just need solid defenders. We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending. I believe it also tells us something about the recruitment policy. It simply cannot be true that there are no decent central defenders at lower division level who would consider a move to us. We can't go on saying how wonderful we are when we're picking up barely 50% of the available points. Note to Cleuso: it is not a straight choice between slow tip tap stuff and hoofball. It's perfectly possible to mix up both the tempo and the length of passing. At this level, defenders like Flint can be the bedrock of success. Trial and error with hopefuls who can't get a game with their own clubs - and will not be here long anyway is exactly that - a hit and miss policy. Also, on this forum we discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the squad. That's not being negative. It's balance and perspective. If we only ever discuss the strengths, what is the point?[/p][/quote]Den, I see similarities between Branco and Flint. Footballing background, rashness and heart on sleeve. Big difference for me at the moment at a similar stage of there career is that Branco is far better on the ball. Loved Aden and his attitude but guess in the Wilson/Paolo era he was on a far higher wage than Branco. Aden was offered a contract with Town but chose City ! Why ? Money, don't blame him he improved his standard of living as most of us would do. Don't follow the trial and error with hopefuls. I suspect this is a dig at the loan system. Agree, not ideal but haven't we done trial and error with seasoned as well over the last 5-6 years. We have picked up some excellent players that have signed after being on loan one notably one being Simon Cox. We have two more currently at Town who were originally signed on loan. I therefore don't concur with your length of stay argument. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

10:36pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

castle9 wrote:
''We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending.''

Not quite sure how you managed to draw that conclusion. We have only lost 2 out of 7 - and one of those was after extra time to a Championship Club when we had 10 players!!

If anything, it is the quality of our finishing that has been lacking.

However, the quality of football on show is excellent, some of the skills demonstrated by Yaser and Mass is absolutely outstanding and the job being done by Mark Cooper is admirable in the circumstances. COYR.
Castle, I agree of course that our finishing has not been great but we've been caught out several times at the back, costing us dearly. Do you honestly believe we don't have a problem in defence?

When you mentioned the Championship club, you forgot to say that it was largely their reserves. I agree entirely about the skills of many of our players - Luongo and Kasim in particular - and the management by Cooper in difficult circumstances. But what is the objective, points on the board or displays of exhibition football?
[quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: ''We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending.'' Not quite sure how you managed to draw that conclusion. We have only lost 2 out of 7 - and one of those was after extra time to a Championship Club when we had 10 players!! If anything, it is the quality of our finishing that has been lacking. However, the quality of football on show is excellent, some of the skills demonstrated by Yaser and Mass is absolutely outstanding and the job being done by Mark Cooper is admirable in the circumstances. COYR.[/p][/quote]Castle, I agree of course that our finishing has not been great but we've been caught out several times at the back, costing us dearly. Do you honestly believe we don't have a problem in defence? When you mentioned the Championship club, you forgot to say that it was largely their reserves. I agree entirely about the skills of many of our players - Luongo and Kasim in particular - and the management by Cooper in difficult circumstances. But what is the objective, points on the board or displays of exhibition football? Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

10:39pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Oxon-Red says...

Wilesy wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
castle9 wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .
Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.
-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday
Does it not occur to you that the reason you are getting minuses is that your comment are excessively harsh.Yes he made a mistake that led to a goal, but the lad is NINETEEN!!!!

He has played a handful of league games and he is liable to make a mistake - that is how you learn.
Yeah it did occur to be it was harsh, see the last sentence "sorry if I'm being harsh"

No criticism made of the error because these things happen. It's a shame as he is OK with the ball at his feet. Unfortunately a centre back who wins virtually no headers isn't a very good centre back.

On the subject of not ready for the first team I'm still waiting what Barker has to offer as I've seen nothing yet. Yesterday he was playing through the pain barrier so that's excused but he doesn't look likely to trouble the net from what I've seen.

Should add I hope both improve and I would love to be completely wrong if Cooper perseveres but 'could do better' at this point.
Isn't a very good centre back or one that needs to learn to add it to his game ?

COYMR
Isn't very good at the moment. Needs to strengthen and learn to time his jumps which will take time but if he can do that he may have a chance as his deck game looks better.

Don't think it will matter though as I doubt he will play for us again after 2 such poor games.
Consigned to the scrap heap after 2 games at 18/19 !
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .[/p][/quote]Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.[/p][/quote]-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday[/p][/quote]Does it not occur to you that the reason you are getting minuses is that your comment are excessively harsh.Yes he made a mistake that led to a goal, but the lad is NINETEEN!!!! He has played a handful of league games and he is liable to make a mistake - that is how you learn.[/p][/quote]Yeah it did occur to be it was harsh, see the last sentence "sorry if I'm being harsh" No criticism made of the error because these things happen. It's a shame as he is OK with the ball at his feet. Unfortunately a centre back who wins virtually no headers isn't a very good centre back. On the subject of not ready for the first team I'm still waiting what Barker has to offer as I've seen nothing yet. Yesterday he was playing through the pain barrier so that's excused but he doesn't look likely to trouble the net from what I've seen. Should add I hope both improve and I would love to be completely wrong if Cooper perseveres but 'could do better' at this point.[/p][/quote]Isn't a very good centre back or one that needs to learn to add it to his game ? COYMR[/p][/quote]Isn't very good at the moment. Needs to strengthen and learn to time his jumps which will take time but if he can do that he may have a chance as his deck game looks better. Don't think it will matter though as I doubt he will play for us again after 2 such poor games.[/p][/quote]Consigned to the scrap heap after 2 games at 18/19 ! Oxon-Red
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10:48pm Sun 31 Aug 14

castle9 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
castle9 wrote:
''We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending.''

Not quite sure how you managed to draw that conclusion. We have only lost 2 out of 7 - and one of those was after extra time to a Championship Club when we had 10 players!!

If anything, it is the quality of our finishing that has been lacking.

However, the quality of football on show is excellent, some of the skills demonstrated by Yaser and Mass is absolutely outstanding and the job being done by Mark Cooper is admirable in the circumstances. COYR.
Castle, I agree of course that our finishing has not been great but we've been caught out several times at the back, costing us dearly. Do you honestly believe we don't have a problem in defence?

When you mentioned the Championship club, you forgot to say that it was largely their reserves. I agree entirely about the skills of many of our players - Luongo and Kasim in particular - and the management by Cooper in difficult circumstances. But what is the objective, points on the board or displays of exhibition football?
We are a work in progress, akin to the change to the style of play that Ossie brought in when he took over from Lou. It will take time. We have to back the players and give them time to adjust to playing first team football and 3 at the back.

Lelan made some mistakes yesterday but getting on his back doesnt help anyone. However, I suspect that he will be a stopgap because I expect Stephens to arrive in the emergency loan window.

In answer to your question, points on the board via exciting passing and possession football please.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: ''We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending.'' Not quite sure how you managed to draw that conclusion. We have only lost 2 out of 7 - and one of those was after extra time to a Championship Club when we had 10 players!! If anything, it is the quality of our finishing that has been lacking. However, the quality of football on show is excellent, some of the skills demonstrated by Yaser and Mass is absolutely outstanding and the job being done by Mark Cooper is admirable in the circumstances. COYR.[/p][/quote]Castle, I agree of course that our finishing has not been great but we've been caught out several times at the back, costing us dearly. Do you honestly believe we don't have a problem in defence? When you mentioned the Championship club, you forgot to say that it was largely their reserves. I agree entirely about the skills of many of our players - Luongo and Kasim in particular - and the management by Cooper in difficult circumstances. But what is the objective, points on the board or displays of exhibition football?[/p][/quote]We are a work in progress, akin to the change to the style of play that Ossie brought in when he took over from Lou. It will take time. We have to back the players and give them time to adjust to playing first team football and 3 at the back. Lelan made some mistakes yesterday but getting on his back doesnt help anyone. However, I suspect that he will be a stopgap because I expect Stephens to arrive in the emergency loan window. In answer to your question, points on the board via exciting passing and possession football please. castle9
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10:49pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
castle9 wrote:
''We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending.''

Not quite sure how you managed to draw that conclusion. We have only lost 2 out of 7 - and one of those was after extra time to a Championship Club when we had 10 players!!

If anything, it is the quality of our finishing that has been lacking.

However, the quality of football on show is excellent, some of the skills demonstrated by Yaser and Mass is absolutely outstanding and the job being done by Mark Cooper is admirable in the circumstances. COYR.
Castle, I agree of course that our finishing has not been great but we've been caught out several times at the back, costing us dearly. Do you honestly believe we don't have a problem in defence?

When you mentioned the Championship club, you forgot to say that it was largely their reserves. I agree entirely about the skills of many of our players - Luongo and Kasim in particular - and the management by Cooper in difficult circumstances. But what is the objective, points on the board or displays of exhibition football?
Okay, potentially we may have a problem in defence ?

Potentially yes hasn't every team ?

Five league matches, conceded 5 goals. Take that to the conclusion of the league and we will concede 46 goals this season. I certainly would not have a problem if we only conceded 46 goals this season.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: ''We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending.'' Not quite sure how you managed to draw that conclusion. We have only lost 2 out of 7 - and one of those was after extra time to a Championship Club when we had 10 players!! If anything, it is the quality of our finishing that has been lacking. However, the quality of football on show is excellent, some of the skills demonstrated by Yaser and Mass is absolutely outstanding and the job being done by Mark Cooper is admirable in the circumstances. COYR.[/p][/quote]Castle, I agree of course that our finishing has not been great but we've been caught out several times at the back, costing us dearly. Do you honestly believe we don't have a problem in defence? When you mentioned the Championship club, you forgot to say that it was largely their reserves. I agree entirely about the skills of many of our players - Luongo and Kasim in particular - and the management by Cooper in difficult circumstances. But what is the objective, points on the board or displays of exhibition football?[/p][/quote]Okay, potentially we may have a problem in defence ? Potentially yes hasn't every team ? Five league matches, conceded 5 goals. Take that to the conclusion of the league and we will concede 46 goals this season. I certainly would not have a problem if we only conceded 46 goals this season. Oxon-Red
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11:00pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Oxon-Red says...

The Jockster wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
umpcah wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?
We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.
What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.
Tosh Cleuso, if we had Flint in the middle or someone of his ilk we probably wouldn't have conceded at least four sloppy goals already by being stretched at the back. Give me a defender any day who defends first and foremost and if necessary puts it in Row z to do so. IMO at the time of his departure his on the ground distribution was improving all the time. He's head and shoulders above anything we have in defence at the moment and his height was an extra bonus. He seems to be doing well at City after a shaky start.
You cannot say that for certain.

We could have conceded six, seven or eight sloppy goals with him in the team. He made a mistake in his second game, I suggest we get rid and bring in an experienced pro we can't afford who is guaranteed not to make a mistake.

Don't disagree about row Z and doubt many coaches would.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?[/p][/quote]We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.[/p][/quote]What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.[/p][/quote]Tosh Cleuso, if we had Flint in the middle or someone of his ilk we probably wouldn't have conceded at least four sloppy goals already by being stretched at the back. Give me a defender any day who defends first and foremost and if necessary puts it in Row z to do so. IMO at the time of his departure his on the ground distribution was improving all the time. He's head and shoulders above anything we have in defence at the moment and his height was an extra bonus. He seems to be doing well at City after a shaky start.[/p][/quote]You cannot say that for certain. We could have conceded six, seven or eight sloppy goals with him in the team. He made a mistake in his second game, I suggest we get rid and bring in an experienced pro we can't afford who is guaranteed not to make a mistake. Don't disagree about row Z and doubt many coaches would. COYMR Oxon-Red
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11:13pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

Come off it Oxon! "Potentially we may have a problem in defence"? That implies we've seen no problem so far. Cooper would not be chasing Stephens if the problem was only potential.

I wasn't looking to debate the whys and wherefores of Flint's leaving, only trying to say that I think he's the type of defender we're crying out for now.

Castle, Stephens would be a very welcome addition but would he not also be a stop-gap? And what happens when his loan ends? Do we look for another stop-gap? We are definitely agreed on one thing. Points on the board via exciting possession football would surely suit us all. A family commitment prevented me from getting there yesterday. Someone else had my ticket - first time he'd seen us this season. His verdict was "It all looks very nice but we hardly seem to go anywhere". Like it or not, that's many people's view. I listened to some of the game on the radio. For much of the time you could hear individuals shouting but no "crowd" noise. It's been like that a few times already this season. It's a two way street. Yes, as supporters we should try to lift the team but the team has to do its bit to lift the atmosphere. Pace and purpose are the factors that make that difference.
Come off it Oxon! "Potentially we may have a problem in defence"? That implies we've seen no problem so far. Cooper would not be chasing Stephens if the problem was only potential. I wasn't looking to debate the whys and wherefores of Flint's leaving, only trying to say that I think he's the type of defender we're crying out for now. Castle, Stephens would be a very welcome addition but would he not also be a stop-gap? And what happens when his loan ends? Do we look for another stop-gap? We are definitely agreed on one thing. Points on the board via exciting possession football would surely suit us all. A family commitment prevented me from getting there yesterday. Someone else had my ticket - first time he'd seen us this season. His verdict was "It all looks very nice but we hardly seem to go anywhere". Like it or not, that's many people's view. I listened to some of the game on the radio. For much of the time you could hear individuals shouting but no "crowd" noise. It's been like that a few times already this season. It's a two way street. Yes, as supporters we should try to lift the team but the team has to do its bit to lift the atmosphere. Pace and purpose are the factors that make that difference. Oi Den!
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11:38pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
castle9 wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .
Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.
-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday
Does it not occur to you that the reason you are getting minuses is that your comment are excessively harsh.Yes he made a mistake that led to a goal, but the lad is NINETEEN!!!!

He has played a handful of league games and he is liable to make a mistake - that is how you learn.
Yeah it did occur to be it was harsh, see the last sentence "sorry if I'm being harsh"

No criticism made of the error because these things happen. It's a shame as he is OK with the ball at his feet. Unfortunately a centre back who wins virtually no headers isn't a very good centre back.

On the subject of not ready for the first team I'm still waiting what Barker has to offer as I've seen nothing yet. Yesterday he was playing through the pain barrier so that's excused but he doesn't look likely to trouble the net from what I've seen.

Should add I hope both improve and I would love to be completely wrong if Cooper perseveres but 'could do better' at this point.
Isn't a very good centre back or one that needs to learn to add it to his game ?

COYMR
Isn't very good at the moment. Needs to strengthen and learn to time his jumps which will take time but if he can do that he may have a chance as his deck game looks better.

Don't think it will matter though as I doubt he will play for us again after 2 such poor games.
Consigned to the scrap heap after 2 games at 18/19 !
Taking him out of the firing line as not ready for the level is not consigning him to the scrap heap.

The alternative is to let him continue to struggle which is no good to us and in particular could be detrimental to the lad himself.

Also with no games for a while and with Nathan returning and hopefully another CB arriving I can't see him featuring again in this month and I doubt we will extend the loan?
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]castle9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Exactly- as a defender you have to be first in there with your head to avert any danger . I also felt sorry for the lad as the mistake came at a time when we were dictating play and a goal for us looked more likely .[/p][/quote]Don't see why you get 4 minuses for this - its a true fact.[/p][/quote]-6 now, presumably from people who couldn't make the game yesterday[/p][/quote]Does it not occur to you that the reason you are getting minuses is that your comment are excessively harsh.Yes he made a mistake that led to a goal, but the lad is NINETEEN!!!! He has played a handful of league games and he is liable to make a mistake - that is how you learn.[/p][/quote]Yeah it did occur to be it was harsh, see the last sentence "sorry if I'm being harsh" No criticism made of the error because these things happen. It's a shame as he is OK with the ball at his feet. Unfortunately a centre back who wins virtually no headers isn't a very good centre back. On the subject of not ready for the first team I'm still waiting what Barker has to offer as I've seen nothing yet. Yesterday he was playing through the pain barrier so that's excused but he doesn't look likely to trouble the net from what I've seen. Should add I hope both improve and I would love to be completely wrong if Cooper perseveres but 'could do better' at this point.[/p][/quote]Isn't a very good centre back or one that needs to learn to add it to his game ? COYMR[/p][/quote]Isn't very good at the moment. Needs to strengthen and learn to time his jumps which will take time but if he can do that he may have a chance as his deck game looks better. Don't think it will matter though as I doubt he will play for us again after 2 such poor games.[/p][/quote]Consigned to the scrap heap after 2 games at 18/19 ![/p][/quote]Taking him out of the firing line as not ready for the level is not consigning him to the scrap heap. The alternative is to let him continue to struggle which is no good to us and in particular could be detrimental to the lad himself. Also with no games for a while and with Nathan returning and hopefully another CB arriving I can't see him featuring again in this month and I doubt we will extend the loan? Wilesy
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11:50pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

The Jockster wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
umpcah wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?
We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.
What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.
Tosh Cleuso, if we had Flint in the middle or someone of his ilk we probably wouldn't have conceded at least four sloppy goals already by being stretched at the back. Give me a defender any day who defends first and foremost and if necessary puts it in Row z to do so. IMO at the time of his departure his on the ground distribution was improving all the time. He's head and shoulders above anything we have in defence at the moment and his height was an extra bonus. He seems to be doing well at City after a shaky start.
One of flints other weakenesses was pace on the turn.... in open spaces he gets taken to the cleaners, which is exactly what you say about the problem that the team is being stretched at the back. As those goals have come from breakaways, if in the team Aden would have been in an attacking position for the set pieces and certainly not in any position to have any impact of the lack of numbers at the back from the breakaway, so don't quite get your love in' except through tinted glasses..

Mind you, as for height scoring one goal about every 10 games for us and city is hardly something that suggests he is so good in the air he really uses it to major advantage. The defensive record at City before he got injured last season was really something to worry about for their fans.

I know he scored that dramatic winner at Brentford, but don't forget we conceded 3 goals in that game, so where was he then ? Presumably in your eyes , not culpable I suspect for the goals conceeded despite being central within the back 4.

As someone else has said only conceding 5 goals in 5 league games is not a poor record needing forensic examination ..only 6 teams have conceded less and most of those are within 1 goal of our total.

Incidentally only three teams have scored more than us, before that issue is raised.. we have 8, those 3 have all have scored just 9....

And of Brighton 12 players on duty at Swindon out of 18 were in their squad yesterday and of the other 6 .. 2 were non playing subs at Swindon anyway, so hardly "mostly reserves..after all, we are told it is a squad game nowadays.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?[/p][/quote]We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.[/p][/quote]What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.[/p][/quote]Tosh Cleuso, if we had Flint in the middle or someone of his ilk we probably wouldn't have conceded at least four sloppy goals already by being stretched at the back. Give me a defender any day who defends first and foremost and if necessary puts it in Row z to do so. IMO at the time of his departure his on the ground distribution was improving all the time. He's head and shoulders above anything we have in defence at the moment and his height was an extra bonus. He seems to be doing well at City after a shaky start.[/p][/quote]One of flints other weakenesses was pace on the turn.... in open spaces he gets taken to the cleaners, which is exactly what you say about the problem that the team is being stretched at the back. As those goals have come from breakaways, if in the team Aden would have been in an attacking position for the set pieces and certainly not in any position to have any impact of the lack of numbers at the back from the breakaway, so don't quite get your love in' except through tinted glasses.. Mind you, as for height scoring one goal about every 10 games for us and city is hardly something that suggests he is so good in the air he really uses it to major advantage. The defensive record at City before he got injured last season was really something to worry about for their fans. I know he scored that dramatic winner at Brentford, but don't forget we conceded 3 goals in that game, so where was he then ? Presumably in your eyes , not culpable I suspect for the goals conceeded despite being central within the back 4. As someone else has said only conceding 5 goals in 5 league games is not a poor record needing forensic examination ..only 6 teams have conceded less and most of those are within 1 goal of our total. Incidentally only three teams have scored more than us, before that issue is raised.. we have 8, those 3 have all have scored just 9.... And of Brighton 12 players on duty at Swindon out of 18 were in their squad yesterday and of the other 6 .. 2 were non playing subs at Swindon anyway, so hardly "mostly reserves..after all, we are told it is a squad game nowadays. Cleuso
  • Score: 0

12:00am Mon 1 Sep 14

Cleuso says...

dazzastfc wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
TerryHubbard wrote:
Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold.
If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.
Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off.
30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show.
Pathetic.
Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.
Yes we should be getting bigger gates BUT ever since Jed and power took over their has been a gurt big cloud over the ground...

With all the crap that happened over the summer STFC did not sell themselves very well to say the least...

In the real world money is tight and a lot of Town fan dont trust or like what is happening at the club...So people tend to spend money else were
The only cloud since jed was removed, is your imagination.

He's not here, the team is playing a quality players and a passing game, only beaten once due to a doubtful penalty in the league, trust me things over time are not often much better than this.

So spill the beans as you suggest you know, why is there no trust from fans, or what don't they like that is happening at the club ? or are we back to your imagination again ?
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerryHubbard[/bold] wrote: Duke of Banbury get your head out of the sand even if the gates were 1k more players would still be sold. If certain fans don't like the want to attend that's their shout.[/p][/quote]Of course it is but the apathy around our fan base just pi??es me off. 30,000 at Wembley with over inflated prices doesn't put them off then cut price tickets Tuesday and no show. Pathetic. Sorry if it offends but should get bigger gates irrespective of reasons or excuses.[/p][/quote]Yes we should be getting bigger gates BUT ever since Jed and power took over their has been a gurt big cloud over the ground... With all the crap that happened over the summer STFC did not sell themselves very well to say the least... In the real world money is tight and a lot of Town fan dont trust or like what is happening at the club...So people tend to spend money else were[/p][/quote]The only cloud since jed was removed, is your imagination. He's not here, the team is playing a quality players and a passing game, only beaten once due to a doubtful penalty in the league, trust me things over time are not often much better than this. So spill the beans as you suggest you know, why is there no trust from fans, or what don't they like that is happening at the club ? or are we back to your imagination again ? Cleuso
  • Score: 1

12:08am Mon 1 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

The "love-in" comment weakens and cheapens your case Cleuso. I have acknowledged Flint's weaker points but I still believe he is better than any central defender we have at the moment. But it really is not about Flint as an individual. It's about the type of central defender we need. It is just not possible at this level to build a defence comprised of silky footballers who can also do their man job - defend with no nonsense. The best we can hope for is to get lucky with one or two such players on loan but if they are that good they would probably play a division higher than us. If we did indeed get lucky in that way, we would still be left with holes to fill next summer. That's the bit I struggle to understand or accept.
The "love-in" comment weakens and cheapens your case Cleuso. I have acknowledged Flint's weaker points but I still believe he is better than any central defender we have at the moment. But it really is not about Flint as an individual. It's about the type of central defender we need. It is just not possible at this level to build a defence comprised of silky footballers who can also do their man job - defend with no nonsense. The best we can hope for is to get lucky with one or two such players on loan but if they are that good they would probably play a division higher than us. If we did indeed get lucky in that way, we would still be left with holes to fill next summer. That's the bit I struggle to understand or accept. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

12:10am Mon 1 Sep 14

Cleuso says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
umpcah wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .
I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO.
Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.
Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .
I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge.

It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back.

Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.
Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?
We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.
What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.
Well he was to blame for the Notts County goal today could not handle a ball punted down the middle!.
£300.000 was a great price we got for him.
£300,000 would have been a great price if we'd replaced him with someone of the same standard or better but we haven't even come close to that. If anyone seriously believes that it's good business to collect £300k at the expense of leaving the defence weaker, they watch a different game of football from the one I see.

We haven't had a proper captain since Greer left four years ago. I always saw Flint as a captain in the making. He was still a bit raw and sometimes rash but he was maturing fast at the time he left. No, he isn't a sweet passing footballer. I sometimes wonder if people forget the level we're playing at. We don't need young Alan Hansens at the back; we just need solid defenders.

We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending. I believe it also tells us something about the recruitment policy. It simply cannot be true that there are no decent central defenders at lower division level who would consider a move to us. We can't go on saying how wonderful we are when we're picking up barely 50% of the available points.

Note to Cleuso: it is not a straight choice between slow tip tap stuff and hoofball. It's perfectly possible to mix up both the tempo and the length of passing.

At this level, defenders like Flint can be the bedrock of success. Trial and error with hopefuls who can't get a game with their own clubs - and will not be here long anyway is exactly that - a hit and miss policy. Also, on this forum we discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the squad. That's not being negative. It's balance and perspective. If we only ever discuss the strengths, what is the point?
Den,

I see similarities between Branco and Flint. Footballing background, rashness and heart on sleeve. Big difference for me at the moment at a similar stage of there career is that Branco is far better on the ball.

Loved Aden and his attitude but guess in the Wilson/Paolo era he was on a far higher wage than Branco.

Aden was offered a contract with Town but chose City ! Why ?

Money, don't blame him he improved his standard of living as most of us would do.

Don't follow the trial and error with hopefuls. I suspect this is a dig at the loan system. Agree, not ideal but haven't we done trial and error with seasoned as well over the last 5-6 years.

We have picked up some excellent players that have signed after being on loan one notably one being Simon Cox. We have two more currently at Town who were originally signed on loan. I therefore don't concur with your length of stay argument.

COYMR
Not sure who wrote the note to Cleuso, but if you were at the game yesterday every time we played a long ball yesterday we gave away possession, either by it going out of play or the Coventry defence winning the ball as it was misplaced.

Our side is not built around a batering ram of a centre forward, whose these days would get penalised 9 times out of 10 as "aggression" is not now permitted under the laws
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: I think most of us realise wear our main weakness lies - our back 3 look as strong as wet paper tissue - whether this a individual issue or a collective one , I'm not sure . As well as long balls , we look particularly vulnerable from crosses into our area especially corners from which total chaos often occurs , complete calamity before we finally manage to hack the ball clear - no wonder Fods is showing a few grey hairs - he"ll go completely white before long if this continues . The club are building a talented young team , capable of playing some very good football , but I fear that unless these issues are sorted , then a string of bad results may occur which in turn could affect the confidence of a very promising young team .[/p][/quote]I think Branco and Turnball are getting better each game, yes they are likely for an error and Branco will make a silly challange now and then but they are getting better IMO. Foderingham should also being looking at himself for their goal yeaterday a little bit also, he seemed to have covered the danger but somehow it got through.[/p][/quote]Yes your probably right about Turnbull , looks the most assured out of the 3 and improving all the time - not to sure about Branco though , still very much hit or miss , but maybe we still need to persevere with him to enable him to grow in stature , but I think the bottom line is we still need a dominating influence in there to strengthen this area , otherwise we could suffer as the season progresses . I don't think Fods could have done much better with their goal as it was a unfortunate mistake that resulted in a one on one - did his best to keep the ball out .[/p][/quote]I felt sorry for Lelan yesterday, the lad needed both an arm round the shoulder from his team mates after the howler, then he needed taking off second half to put him out of his misery. Neither happened and his nightmare was never ending. Sorry but he's not good enough. I was keeping an eye on the watch and he won his first 50/50 header in the 87th minute which for a centre half is appalling. He wasn't jumping at the right time and at other times just didn't put in a challenge. It was similar against Scunthorpe when fortunately he did get taken off. Both games he has played we have looked awful at the back, and with the 3 at the back the initial defensive header has to be won or youre left wide open at the back. Sorry if I'm being harsh but just saying what I see.[/p][/quote]Could`ve done with Aden Flint in there instead of Lelan then ?[/p][/quote]We could certainly do with a Flint type at the mo.[/p][/quote]What ?? the hoofball merchant that can't pass and has a balance and poise to go with it .. not a chance...like chalk and cheese with the team we have today.[/p][/quote]Well he was to blame for the Notts County goal today could not handle a ball punted down the middle!. £300.000 was a great price we got for him.[/p][/quote]£300,000 would have been a great price if we'd replaced him with someone of the same standard or better but we haven't even come close to that. If anyone seriously believes that it's good business to collect £300k at the expense of leaving the defence weaker, they watch a different game of football from the one I see. We haven't had a proper captain since Greer left four years ago. I always saw Flint as a captain in the making. He was still a bit raw and sometimes rash but he was maturing fast at the time he left. No, he isn't a sweet passing footballer. I sometimes wonder if people forget the level we're playing at. We don't need young Alan Hansens at the back; we just need solid defenders. We've played 7 games this season. Many fans say we should have won them all. We've won 3. That should tell us something about the quality of our defending. I believe it also tells us something about the recruitment policy. It simply cannot be true that there are no decent central defenders at lower division level who would consider a move to us. We can't go on saying how wonderful we are when we're picking up barely 50% of the available points. Note to Cleuso: it is not a straight choice between slow tip tap stuff and hoofball. It's perfectly possible to mix up both the tempo and the length of passing. At this level, defenders like Flint can be the bedrock of success. Trial and error with hopefuls who can't get a game with their own clubs - and will not be here long anyway is exactly that - a hit and miss policy. Also, on this forum we discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the squad. That's not being negative. It's balance and perspective. If we only ever discuss the strengths, what is the point?[/p][/quote]Den, I see similarities between Branco and Flint. Footballing background, rashness and heart on sleeve. Big difference for me at the moment at a similar stage of there career is that Branco is far better on the ball. Loved Aden and his attitude but guess in the Wilson/Paolo era he was on a far higher wage than Branco. Aden was offered a contract with Town but chose City ! Why ? Money, don't blame him he improved his standard of living as most of us would do. Don't follow the trial and error with hopefuls. I suspect this is a dig at the loan system. Agree, not ideal but haven't we done trial and error with seasoned as well over the last 5-6 years. We have picked up some excellent players that have signed after being on loan one notably one being Simon Cox. We have two more currently at Town who were originally signed on loan. I therefore don't concur with your length of stay argument. COYMR[/p][/quote]Not sure who wrote the note to Cleuso, but if you were at the game yesterday every time we played a long ball yesterday we gave away possession, either by it going out of play or the Coventry defence winning the ball as it was misplaced. Our side is not built around a batering ram of a centre forward, whose these days would get penalised 9 times out of 10 as "aggression" is not now permitted under the laws Cleuso
  • Score: -2

12:37am Mon 1 Sep 14

Cleuso says...

Oi Den! wrote:
The "love-in" comment weakens and cheapens your case Cleuso. I have acknowledged Flint's weaker points but I still believe he is better than any central defender we have at the moment. But it really is not about Flint as an individual. It's about the type of central defender we need. It is just not possible at this level to build a defence comprised of silky footballers who can also do their man job - defend with no nonsense. The best we can hope for is to get lucky with one or two such players on loan but if they are that good they would probably play a division higher than us. If we did indeed get lucky in that way, we would still be left with holes to fill next summer. That's the bit I struggle to understand or accept.
I think my answer to the first two points is why and why ?

Secondly and more important, you have to get used to the way the game is these days, whether we think it right or wrong, the game has changed. Team changes will happen annually as will the frequency of loan players.

We should not regard our club as the exception in this, it is the rule and attributed to football governence not STFC

Contracts are worthlesss pieces of paper if a player wants out, his options for leaving are probably written in the contract in the first place. So long term residents are only there, because they like the environment, get treated well or are seeing out a valuable contract as there is not a better offer in place.

The latter point may be a bit cynical on my part but it happens. Thankfully those we have at the Club appear to be totally committed to it's ethos whether loan or under contract and should therefore get out full support.

I don't think the loan system helps clubs establish an identity, but as its in the rules and every club plays the game then we have to use it. Without checking I think QPR used 19 loan players last season, their fans aren't complaining too much now.

We may not like that tackling is now virtually outlawed, but that is the way it is..the move towards silky football is partly driven by the way the laws are now interpreted, Norman Hunter, Ron Harris , Jack Charlton would all be a liability today.

There is no permanency in the game just ask Dave Hockaday...how does sacking a manager after just 5 games despite the result achieve anything you set out 5 games ago to deliver. It's not right, but it happens.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: The "love-in" comment weakens and cheapens your case Cleuso. I have acknowledged Flint's weaker points but I still believe he is better than any central defender we have at the moment. But it really is not about Flint as an individual. It's about the type of central defender we need. It is just not possible at this level to build a defence comprised of silky footballers who can also do their man job - defend with no nonsense. The best we can hope for is to get lucky with one or two such players on loan but if they are that good they would probably play a division higher than us. If we did indeed get lucky in that way, we would still be left with holes to fill next summer. That's the bit I struggle to understand or accept.[/p][/quote]I think my answer to the first two points is why and why ? Secondly and more important, you have to get used to the way the game is these days, whether we think it right or wrong, the game has changed. Team changes will happen annually as will the frequency of loan players. We should not regard our club as the exception in this, it is the rule and attributed to football governence not STFC Contracts are worthlesss pieces of paper if a player wants out, his options for leaving are probably written in the contract in the first place. So long term residents are only there, because they like the environment, get treated well or are seeing out a valuable contract as there is not a better offer in place. The latter point may be a bit cynical on my part but it happens. Thankfully those we have at the Club appear to be totally committed to it's ethos whether loan or under contract and should therefore get out full support. I don't think the loan system helps clubs establish an identity, but as its in the rules and every club plays the game then we have to use it. Without checking I think QPR used 19 loan players last season, their fans aren't complaining too much now. We may not like that tackling is now virtually outlawed, but that is the way it is..the move towards silky football is partly driven by the way the laws are now interpreted, Norman Hunter, Ron Harris , Jack Charlton would all be a liability today. There is no permanency in the game just ask Dave Hockaday...how does sacking a manager after just 5 games despite the result achieve anything you set out 5 games ago to deliver. It's not right, but it happens. Cleuso
  • Score: 0

12:54am Mon 1 Sep 14

the wizard says...

Ah Jock, there you are,frying in your own oil again again I see. can't face the obvious to what is really going on, change, doing things differently, yet you still refuse to buy the club and do it all your way. OK, that's your choice, but if you don't like what is being served up the answer is simple, stay away. Don't criticize others for doing things when you don't have the means to do it better yourself. It's easy being sat on the wall and spitting venom, but could you do any better, what contacts have you got in the game that could serve up any league players equal to what we have ? Ahhh thought not. Usual vitriol, pointless.
Ah Jock, there you are,frying in your own oil again again I see. can't face the obvious to what is really going on, change, doing things differently, yet you still refuse to buy the club and do it all your way. OK, that's your choice, but if you don't like what is being served up the answer is simple, stay away. Don't criticize others for doing things when you don't have the means to do it better yourself. It's easy being sat on the wall and spitting venom, but could you do any better, what contacts have you got in the game that could serve up any league players equal to what we have ? Ahhh thought not. Usual vitriol, pointless. the wizard
  • Score: 2

9:08am Mon 1 Sep 14

The Jockster says...

Ah Wiz I guess I'm just not as gullible as you in believing everything Power and Shah tell us - eg no debt and then we find we owe plod a wad of cash - which I'm willing to wager won't have been paid in full yet!
You eulogise about the need to buy into the Power ethos and to date I have but the likes of Den and others are right if we are constantly having to rely on loans to survive then we are just standing still. I want to see ambition a statement of intent and there just isn't any is there?
Ah Wiz I guess I'm just not as gullible as you in believing everything Power and Shah tell us - eg no debt and then we find we owe plod a wad of cash - which I'm willing to wager won't have been paid in full yet! You eulogise about the need to buy into the Power ethos and to date I have but the likes of Den and others are right if we are constantly having to rely on loans to survive then we are just standing still. I want to see ambition a statement of intent and there just isn't any is there? The Jockster
  • Score: -1

10:01am Mon 1 Sep 14

the wizard says...

The guy said , in not so many words, don't judge me now but judge me in 5 seasons time. Given the mess he has had to sort out I didn't expect much different to what we have. WE need more revenue before we can afford to buy players of the standard he is bringing in. Money can only be spent once, and the joy of a loan is, if he isn't any good, he can go back. You only have to look at the players brought in by previous managers to see the sense in that.

We got too used to having Blacks millions and many take it as read that all clubs have that. We no longer have that. Had Black been backing Power then by now we would have a really brilliant set up, he isn't so we haven't.
The guy said , in not so many words, don't judge me now but judge me in 5 seasons time. Given the mess he has had to sort out I didn't expect much different to what we have. WE need more revenue before we can afford to buy players of the standard he is bringing in. Money can only be spent once, and the joy of a loan is, if he isn't any good, he can go back. You only have to look at the players brought in by previous managers to see the sense in that. We got too used to having Blacks millions and many take it as read that all clubs have that. We no longer have that. Had Black been backing Power then by now we would have a really brilliant set up, he isn't so we haven't. the wizard
  • Score: 1
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