SWINDON TOWN: Fitton confirms accounts are overdue

Ex-Swindon Town chairman Andrew Fitton

Ex-Swindon Town chairman Andrew Fitton

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FORMER Swindon Town chairman Andrew Fitton has stressed that there is nothing sinister going on behind the scenes at the County Ground after it emerged that the club’s holding company’s accounts are almost three months overdue.

Swindon Football Holdings Limited, of which Swindon Town Football Company Limited is a subsidiary, has been served with a ‘proposal to strike off’ by the Registrar of Companies due to their tardiness in submitting figures for the year ending May 31, 2011, effectively giving the company a standard 90-day term to address the problem or face being wound up.

The company, whose directors include Swindon interim chairman Jeremy Wray, Fitton and investor Andrew Black, were supposed to have handed in their accounts to Companies House by February 29 this year but have still yet to file.

The financial stability risk score of Swindon Football Holdings Limited has moved from ‘below average risk’ on March 1, 2012 to ‘maximum risk’ on May 3, 2012 - the period over which the company has been in default of its filing obligations.

However Fitton, who stood down from his role as chairman of the Robins in April 2011 and has since left the club’s board, has told the Advertiser that there is good reason for the delay - namely the movement of shares between existing shareholders within the company.

“There were some changes to the relative shareholding within the company that happened after the year’s end and that always creates a problem,” he said.

“As a result, the accounts are filed late when the changes have taken place.”

Such movement of shareholding could be a precursor to new money in the football club, but Fitton would not be drawn on the subject.

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6:22am Fri 25 May 12

bowralbob says...

Hmmm. So is everything going to be sorted out?
I'm sure things such as this happen in business on a regular basis, but it is a worry to add to others the club has at present.
Hmmm. So is everything going to be sorted out? I'm sure things such as this happen in business on a regular basis, but it is a worry to add to others the club has at present. bowralbob
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6:44am Fri 25 May 12

Stilloyal says...

OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed.
Carm down, carm down all is well.
OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed. Carm down, carm down all is well. Stilloyal
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6:49am Fri 25 May 12

KojaktheWarg says...

I check our clients' accounts through companies house before signing contracts and its seems to be quite common this sort of thing (i.e. late filing) especially when there are Holding companies involved. Not something that has concerned us when we see this.
I check our clients' accounts through companies house before signing contracts and its seems to be quite common this sort of thing (i.e. late filing) especially when there are Holding companies involved. Not something that has concerned us when we see this. KojaktheWarg
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6:57am Fri 25 May 12

peatmoor pirate says...

Stilloyal wrote:
OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed.
Carm down, carm down all is well.
We aren't doomed, but things are definitely not all well at the moment. This is probably an accounting technicality but given STFC's history, people can be forgiven for it making them nervous.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed. Carm down, carm down all is well.[/p][/quote]We aren't doomed, but things are definitely not all well at the moment. This is probably an accounting technicality but given STFC's history, people can be forgiven for it making them nervous. peatmoor pirate
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7:04am Fri 25 May 12

peatmoor pirate says...

Stilloyal wrote:
OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed.
Carm down, carm down all is well.
We aren't doomed, but things are definitely not all well at the moment. This is probably an accounting technicality but given STFC's history, people can be forgiven for it making them nervous.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed. Carm down, carm down all is well.[/p][/quote]We aren't doomed, but things are definitely not all well at the moment. This is probably an accounting technicality but given STFC's history, people can be forgiven for it making them nervous. peatmoor pirate
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7:10am Fri 25 May 12

Robinonfire says...

Carry on Fitton
Carry on Fitton Robinonfire
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7:20am Fri 25 May 12

matt69andover says...

Could be purely normal business practice, could be new money coming in....
Could be purely normal business practice, could be new money coming in.... matt69andover
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7:31am Fri 25 May 12

Old Town says...

peatmoor pirate wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed.
Carm down, carm down all is well.
We aren't doomed, but things are definitely not all well at the moment. This is probably an accounting technicality but given STFC's history, people can be forgiven for it making them nervous.
What things are 'definitely not all well at the moment' Pete ?

What is this inside problem ?

Where does this 'definite' inside information come from ?

Are we the ONLY club that has gained promotion, looking at bringing new players to the club, talking about building for the Championship etc. where so called experts talk about 'definite' problems......

Please back up and explain your claims ?
[quote][p][bold]peatmoor pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed. Carm down, carm down all is well.[/p][/quote]We aren't doomed, but things are definitely not all well at the moment. This is probably an accounting technicality but given STFC's history, people can be forgiven for it making them nervous.[/p][/quote]What things are 'definitely not all well at the moment' Pete ? What is this inside problem ? Where does this 'definite' inside information come from ? Are we the ONLY club that has gained promotion, looking at bringing new players to the club, talking about building for the Championship etc. where so called experts talk about 'definite' problems...... Please back up and explain your claims ? Old Town
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7:33am Fri 25 May 12

Redhouse Red says...

Overdue accounts, manager accused of being racist and an on trial convicted criminal.

And I thought the off season was supposed tone quiet!
Overdue accounts, manager accused of being racist and an on trial convicted criminal. And I thought the off season was supposed tone quiet! Redhouse Red
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7:57am Fri 25 May 12

melksham red says...

my mates who are Bristol City fans who refer to us as Swindle Town will no doubt be loving this. i await the texts.
my mates who are Bristol City fans who refer to us as Swindle Town will no doubt be loving this. i await the texts. melksham red
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8:03am Fri 25 May 12

ninja77 says...

what a pointless story, this is very common practice and the striking off letters are standard and just seen as a reminder to file them. extreme scaremongering
what a pointless story, this is very common practice and the striking off letters are standard and just seen as a reminder to file them. extreme scaremongering ninja77
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8:06am Fri 25 May 12

mallorca says...

No doubt will be sorted out,however we did appear to have a good season,decent gates and although I would imagine the wage Bill was high the club consdering promotion and Wembley would have done ok.
As said likelyhood is money moving within the club,like us all hope it's nothing else as we have had our fair share of financial problems.
I also guess until accounts are returned the funds Pdc are looking for will not be available.
I'm most probably wrong about the whole situation,let's hope it's all resolved ASAP as this is one thing I don't think Pdc would want when he ebarks on the new season
No doubt will be sorted out,however we did appear to have a good season,decent gates and although I would imagine the wage Bill was high the club consdering promotion and Wembley would have done ok. As said likelyhood is money moving within the club,like us all hope it's nothing else as we have had our fair share of financial problems. I also guess until accounts are returned the funds Pdc are looking for will not be available. I'm most probably wrong about the whole situation,let's hope it's all resolved ASAP as this is one thing I don't think Pdc would want when he ebarks on the new season mallorca
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8:06am Fri 25 May 12

the wizard says...

I respect Fitton for rescuing this club from obscurity, but I was under the impression that shortly after stepping down as Chairman he sold his shares. If that is the case then why are we getting quotes from him about the inner workings of the board. which I was given to understand he is no longer a member. If I am wrong then I apologise.
I respect Fitton for rescuing this club from obscurity, but I was under the impression that shortly after stepping down as Chairman he sold his shares. If that is the case then why are we getting quotes from him about the inner workings of the board. which I was given to understand he is no longer a member. If I am wrong then I apologise. the wizard
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8:19am Fri 25 May 12

stokes_stfc says...

KojaktheWarg wrote:
I check our clients' accounts through companies house before signing contracts and its seems to be quite common this sort of thing (i.e. late filing) especially when there are Holding companies involved. Not something that has concerned us when we see this.
i'm sure this will all get sorted out ok, but do you know what the implications are of being moved from ‘below average risk’ to ‘maximum risk’?
[quote][p][bold]KojaktheWarg[/bold] wrote: I check our clients' accounts through companies house before signing contracts and its seems to be quite common this sort of thing (i.e. late filing) especially when there are Holding companies involved. Not something that has concerned us when we see this.[/p][/quote]i'm sure this will all get sorted out ok, but do you know what the implications are of being moved from ‘below average risk’ to ‘maximum risk’? stokes_stfc
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8:46am Fri 25 May 12

STFC/DEVIZES says...

These accounts are from May 2011 when he was on the board so he would know everything about them. The financial dealings since Di Canio and team have been in charge are not under any scrutiny yet, therefore Wembley and promotion has no impact on these accounts.
These accounts are from May 2011 when he was on the board so he would know everything about them. The financial dealings since Di Canio and team have been in charge are not under any scrutiny yet, therefore Wembley and promotion has no impact on these accounts. STFC/DEVIZES
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8:53am Fri 25 May 12

the don69 says...

the wizard wrote:
I respect Fitton for rescuing this club from obscurity, but I was under the impression that shortly after stepping down as Chairman he sold his shares. If that is the case then why are we getting quotes from him about the inner workings of the board. which I was given to understand he is no longer a member. If I am wrong then I apologise.
I'm with you on this Wiz,Fitton was our Chairmen!has he sold his shares or not?ex-chairmen of Companies do not make these Statements,so what is Fittons role at our Club now?these statement should be made by the Chairman!all very Merky to me,do some digging Adver!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: I respect Fitton for rescuing this club from obscurity, but I was under the impression that shortly after stepping down as Chairman he sold his shares. If that is the case then why are we getting quotes from him about the inner workings of the board. which I was given to understand he is no longer a member. If I am wrong then I apologise.[/p][/quote]I'm with you on this Wiz,Fitton was our Chairmen!has he sold his shares or not?ex-chairmen of Companies do not make these Statements,so what is Fittons role at our Club now?these statement should be made by the Chairman!all very Merky to me,do some digging Adver!!!!!!!!! the don69
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8:57am Fri 25 May 12

London Red says...

He is talking about Swindon Town Holdings Ltd - Swindon Town FC ultimate parent whom he is still a board member of
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Swindon Town FC submitted thweir account on 6 March 2012 I beleive
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However, this sale of his shares could be the reason - as it clealry says:
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"There were some changes to the relative shareholding WITHIN the company that happened after the year’s end and that always creates a problem"
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Maybe this is linked to the stories that the Arbib Family are showing more of an interest and have bought Fitton out to strengthen their position?
He is talking about Swindon Town Holdings Ltd - Swindon Town FC ultimate parent whom he is still a board member of . Swindon Town FC submitted thweir account on 6 March 2012 I beleive . However, this sale of his shares could be the reason - as it clealry says: . "There were some changes to the relative shareholding WITHIN the company that happened after the year’s end and that always creates a problem" . Maybe this is linked to the stories that the Arbib Family are showing more of an interest and have bought Fitton out to strengthen their position? London Red
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9:01am Fri 25 May 12

NEWBURYREDS says...

It's never boring at the GC is it even in pre-season, ITV National news yesterday, now this,what next?
It's never boring at the GC is it even in pre-season, ITV National news yesterday, now this,what next? NEWBURYREDS
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9:03am Fri 25 May 12

M.Dobbo says...

£4million in the red !
£4million in the red ! M.Dobbo
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10:02am Fri 25 May 12

mallorca says...

They do come out of the woodwork,4 million in the Red?
I think 4 million in total all the clubs spending inc everything was 4 Million however what were incomings.
Scaremongering ,my God we just gott promoted and it cost money to be Champions and secure promotion.
Wait and see all will be resolved
They do come out of the woodwork,4 million in the Red? I think 4 million in total all the clubs spending inc everything was 4 Million however what were incomings. Scaremongering ,my God we just gott promoted and it cost money to be Champions and secure promotion. Wait and see all will be resolved mallorca
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10:07am Fri 25 May 12

outlaw2 says...

Sounds like de ja vou (no not the vietnamese striker) but Swindon Town back in the 80's when the club lurched from crisis to crisis and depended on the generosity of Sir Seton Wills to survive.
Sounds like de ja vou (no not the vietnamese striker) but Swindon Town back in the 80's when the club lurched from crisis to crisis and depended on the generosity of Sir Seton Wills to survive. outlaw2
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10:52am Fri 25 May 12

stfc49 says...

This is not a surprise to me. When Mr F took over he said he was going to run STFC like a business so that it did not get into the financial position it had in the past, i.e reliant upon money from shareholders to bail it out or to seek a successful team by buying its way up the leagues.
I was not surprised that Mr F stepped down as after seeing one season when all financial and moral standards have gone out of the window he is probably a little concerned of where we find ourselves.
Having posted over the last year concerning our playing budget of approx 3.6 million, yes London Red this will come out soon, propped up by shareholders putting in more money I am concerned as STFC will have to increase this again next year just to stand still, as in all bar about 6 cases the players bought by Dicanio were not good enough.
I was hoping this madness was going to end, but then seeing 2 goal keepers have been laid off, and we are pinning our hopes on a guy who has killed two children and who has only mopped floors for 3 years I really acnt see the sense in all of this. How do you think Scotty and Smith feel?
The existing shareholders are chasing a dream based on un ethical financial restraint and very low moral codes.
We have had alledged sexism,racism,player /manager fights, and we carry on with the goal keeping situation etc etc.
I love STFC and wish them continued success, and wish them no ill, only the best for the club and the town, but I do beleive that this will all end in tears.
I await being called doom and gloom, the occasional poster, but surely if you look at the last year, success but at what cost?
This is not a surprise to me. When Mr F took over he said he was going to run STFC like a business so that it did not get into the financial position it had in the past, i.e reliant upon money from shareholders to bail it out or to seek a successful team by buying its way up the leagues. I was not surprised that Mr F stepped down as after seeing one season when all financial and moral standards have gone out of the window he is probably a little concerned of where we find ourselves. Having posted over the last year concerning our playing budget of approx 3.6 million, yes London Red this will come out soon, propped up by shareholders putting in more money I am concerned as STFC will have to increase this again next year just to stand still, as in all bar about 6 cases the players bought by Dicanio were not good enough. I was hoping this madness was going to end, but then seeing 2 goal keepers have been laid off, and we are pinning our hopes on a guy who has killed two children and who has only mopped floors for 3 years I really acnt see the sense in all of this. How do you think Scotty and Smith feel? The existing shareholders are chasing a dream based on un ethical financial restraint and very low moral codes. We have had alledged sexism,racism,player /manager fights, and we carry on with the goal keeping situation etc etc. I love STFC and wish them continued success, and wish them no ill, only the best for the club and the town, but I do beleive that this will all end in tears. I await being called doom and gloom, the occasional poster, but surely if you look at the last year, success but at what cost? stfc49
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10:59am Fri 25 May 12

Stilloyal says...

These accounts are nothing to do with last season, our promotion and cup exploits will not be included because if you read above they should have been submitted in February, season ended in May.
Some people just don.t or can't read properly, they are for year ending MAY 2011..
These accounts are nothing to do with last season, our promotion and cup exploits will not be included because if you read above they should have been submitted in February, season ended in May. Some people just don.t or can't read properly, they are for year ending MAY 2011.. Stilloyal
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11:06am Fri 25 May 12

stfc49 says...

Still loyal I can assure you I can read properly and did understand what was said, but was just highlighting why Mr F got out, and I dont blame him, I really beleive we will struggle next year, as if I had been given the playing budget PDC had I think I could have got us out of league two and with more points, Mr F wouldnt chase dreams with a cheque book, nor allow the things that have gone on this year just for success
Still loyal I can assure you I can read properly and did understand what was said, but was just highlighting why Mr F got out, and I dont blame him, I really beleive we will struggle next year, as if I had been given the playing budget PDC had I think I could have got us out of league two and with more points, Mr F wouldnt chase dreams with a cheque book, nor allow the things that have gone on this year just for success stfc49
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11:22am Fri 25 May 12

Stilloyal says...

Brilliant debate on BBC Wilts. Jeremy Wray was on for about 90 minutes discussing the L.M situation. Professional bodies such as PFA, probation service, ex judges, people from the prisoners re hab service and an ex con all agreed with J.W and STFC's take on the situation
J.W reiterated that L.W is not being paid , he's not been offered a contract, he's just training as part of his re hab. J.W also said that the player is unlikely to travel to Italy as under the terms of his licence he may not be allowed abroad.
Many fans phoned, texted or emailed in and agreed also with the club. A few also disagreed but this was mainly because they didn't or couldn't understand that Jeremy was saying "L.M has not been offered a contract and not likely to get one in the immediate future.
One or two still said they won't come to watch STFC again whilst he is wearing the Town shirt (even though he won't be ). Thats their prerogative and I respect that but ultimately it's their loss.
J.W also said that if it becomes too big an issue he will walk away. I hope this won't happen , Jeremy is Mr Swindon Town he was instrumental in bringing Paolo in and if J.W goes then it's possible our manager could also.
Is this what these few people want ? I hope that everyone can see the bigger picture. I doubt that this debate will go away quietly for a while. However people have to understand what Jeremy is saying, "L.M is at Swindon as part of his re hab into society, he has not been offered a contract and not likeley to be offered in the near future"

Jeremy please don't let a few fans turn your head the vast majority of us trust your judgement and back you.
Brilliant debate on BBC Wilts. Jeremy Wray was on for about 90 minutes discussing the L.M situation. Professional bodies such as PFA, probation service, ex judges, people from the prisoners re hab service and an ex con all agreed with J.W and STFC's take on the situation J.W reiterated that L.W is not being paid , he's not been offered a contract, he's just training as part of his re hab. J.W also said that the player is unlikely to travel to Italy as under the terms of his licence he may not be allowed abroad. Many fans phoned, texted or emailed in and agreed also with the club. A few also disagreed but this was mainly because they didn't or couldn't understand that Jeremy was saying "L.M has not been offered a contract and not likely to get one in the immediate future. One or two still said they won't come to watch STFC again whilst he is wearing the Town shirt (even though he won't be ). Thats their prerogative and I respect that but ultimately it's their loss. J.W also said that if it becomes too big an issue he will walk away. I hope this won't happen , Jeremy is Mr Swindon Town he was instrumental in bringing Paolo in and if J.W goes then it's possible our manager could also. Is this what these few people want ? I hope that everyone can see the bigger picture. I doubt that this debate will go away quietly for a while. However people have to understand what Jeremy is saying, "L.M is at Swindon as part of his re hab into society, he has not been offered a contract and not likeley to be offered in the near future" Jeremy please don't let a few fans turn your head the vast majority of us trust your judgement and back you. Stilloyal
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11:29am Fri 25 May 12

stfc49 says...

I think you will find JW has changed his words slightly over the last few days and well done to him, because i dont think he realised how hot the potato was that he was holding. I think he has done a great job, but to then say he will walk away IF!! Think this is childish and would expect more from the person who took the top of the can of worms in the first place. Also this would give PDC the excuse he is looking for to get out as he is only loyal to himself and I cannot see him coming back if he gets the better offer he is looking for
I think you will find JW has changed his words slightly over the last few days and well done to him, because i dont think he realised how hot the potato was that he was holding. I think he has done a great job, but to then say he will walk away IF!! Think this is childish and would expect more from the person who took the top of the can of worms in the first place. Also this would give PDC the excuse he is looking for to get out as he is only loyal to himself and I cannot see him coming back if he gets the better offer he is looking for stfc49
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11:31am Fri 25 May 12

London Red says...

49 - You clearly seem to suggest you have inside information
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So why have you never answered my simple question - if the wage bill is £3.6m - how did we get around the 55% Cap?
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Wray and Watkins categorically stated we were within it - so to be that high it would require revenue to be over £6.5m - something we have never been close to in L1 let alone in L2!
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Remember shareholder top-ups are excluded!
49 - You clearly seem to suggest you have inside information . So why have you never answered my simple question - if the wage bill is £3.6m - how did we get around the 55% Cap? . Wray and Watkins categorically stated we were within it - so to be that high it would require revenue to be over £6.5m - something we have never been close to in L1 let alone in L2! . Remember shareholder top-ups are excluded! London Red
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11:35am Fri 25 May 12

London Red says...

Can we leave please the LM comments to the LM articles - I'm sure others like mea re sick of seeing over 1,000,000 posts but only asbout 4 things actually said
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We don't need another day dominated by this
Can we leave please the LM comments to the LM articles - I'm sure others like mea re sick of seeing over 1,000,000 posts but only asbout 4 things actually said . We don't need another day dominated by this London Red
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11:35am Fri 25 May 12

stfc49 says...

london red, you have summed it up in your last paragraph, you have answered your own question. you are a devil you knew all along. nice to hear from you
london red, you have summed it up in your last paragraph, you have answered your own question. you are a devil you knew all along. nice to hear from you stfc49
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11:37am Fri 25 May 12

stfc49 says...

london red i agree re LM didnt really mention it, have a nice day,
london red i agree re LM didnt really mention it, have a nice day, stfc49
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12:13pm Fri 25 May 12

London Red says...

49 - that doesn't answer the question as it came out of the Malta conferance that Top Ups are not allowed to prevent a "Man City of L2"
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It said Revenue was restricted to Match Day (excluding Cup Gate Receipts), Sponsorship, Prize Money and Commercial Activites
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We have been generating £4-5m over recent years which is only £2.2-£2.75m on wages
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So again how have we got around that by adding an extra £1m on top?????
49 - that doesn't answer the question as it came out of the Malta conferance that Top Ups are not allowed to prevent a "Man City of L2" . It said Revenue was restricted to Match Day (excluding Cup Gate Receipts), Sponsorship, Prize Money and Commercial Activites . We have been generating £4-5m over recent years which is only £2.2-£2.75m on wages . So again how have we got around that by adding an extra £1m on top????? London Red
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12:18pm Fri 25 May 12

smirg kcab says...

The holding have been busy looking for a replacement for Gordon Greer.
Onwards and upwardsp
The holding have been busy looking for a replacement for Gordon Greer. Onwards and upwardsp smirg kcab
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12:18pm Fri 25 May 12

stfc49 says...

London Red, I would never put anything in writing that could be used against the club and I would never divulge where I get my information, if I get it at all, it is for you to do your homework as I have, as I have read many of your posts which suggest to me you know more than I do, so if you would kindly get back to the forum, instead of getting hung up about me, it would be best for everyone, you and me includued
London Red, I would never put anything in writing that could be used against the club and I would never divulge where I get my information, if I get it at all, it is for you to do your homework as I have, as I have read many of your posts which suggest to me you know more than I do, so if you would kindly get back to the forum, instead of getting hung up about me, it would be best for everyone, you and me includued stfc49
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12:19pm Fri 25 May 12

stfc49 says...

London Red, I would never put anything in writing that could be used against the club and I would never divulge where I get my information, if I get it at all, it is for you to do your homework as I have, as I have read many of your posts which suggest to me you know more than I do, so if you would kindly get back to the forum, instead of getting hung up about me, it would be best for everyone, you and me includued
London Red, I would never put anything in writing that could be used against the club and I would never divulge where I get my information, if I get it at all, it is for you to do your homework as I have, as I have read many of your posts which suggest to me you know more than I do, so if you would kindly get back to the forum, instead of getting hung up about me, it would be best for everyone, you and me includued stfc49
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12:19pm Fri 25 May 12

stfc49 says...

London Red, I would never put anything in writing that could be used against the club and I would never divulge where I get my information, if I get it at all, it is for you to do your homework as I have, as I have read many of your posts which suggest to me you know more than I do, so if you would kindly get back to the forum, instead of getting hung up about me, it would be best for everyone, you and me includued
London Red, I would never put anything in writing that could be used against the club and I would never divulge where I get my information, if I get it at all, it is for you to do your homework as I have, as I have read many of your posts which suggest to me you know more than I do, so if you would kindly get back to the forum, instead of getting hung up about me, it would be best for everyone, you and me includued stfc49
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12:21pm Fri 25 May 12

stfc49 says...

sorry for mutipost send button stuck
sorry for mutipost send button stuck stfc49
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12:48pm Fri 25 May 12

the wizard says...

Stilloyal wrote:
Brilliant debate on BBC Wilts. Jeremy Wray was on for about 90 minutes discussing the L.M situation. Professional bodies such as PFA, probation service, ex judges, people from the prisoners re hab service and an ex con all agreed with J.W and STFC's take on the situation
J.W reiterated that L.W is not being paid , he's not been offered a contract, he's just training as part of his re hab. J.W also said that the player is unlikely to travel to Italy as under the terms of his licence he may not be allowed abroad.
Many fans phoned, texted or emailed in and agreed also with the club. A few also disagreed but this was mainly because they didn't or couldn't understand that Jeremy was saying "L.M has not been offered a contract and not likely to get one in the immediate future.
One or two still said they won't come to watch STFC again whilst he is wearing the Town shirt (even though he won't be ). Thats their prerogative and I respect that but ultimately it's their loss.
J.W also said that if it becomes too big an issue he will walk away. I hope this won't happen , Jeremy is Mr Swindon Town he was instrumental in bringing Paolo in and if J.W goes then it's possible our manager could also.
Is this what these few people want ? I hope that everyone can see the bigger picture. I doubt that this debate will go away quietly for a while. However people have to understand what Jeremy is saying, "L.M is at Swindon as part of his re hab into society, he has not been offered a contract and not likeley to be offered in the near future"

Jeremy please don't let a few fans turn your head the vast majority of us trust your judgement and back you.
Going back to a post of mine yesterday, I suggested then that JW and the player should have come out with this together or a full explanation of their intent in the last home programme of the season, so they could put the full facts and full message etc across to the supporters rather than the press. Funny how its taken several days to do that and calm the flames of discontent when it could have all been done peaceably long ago.
I also notice some very carefully chosen words and phrases around the offering of a contract.
As far as I am concerned its been put to bed for now, but I think others will watch things more diligently.
I hope that Wray stays, and his shared passion with PdC, and if there is any lesson to be learnt from this its how to engage PR, and save the harm done to the club, which none of us want.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: Brilliant debate on BBC Wilts. Jeremy Wray was on for about 90 minutes discussing the L.M situation. Professional bodies such as PFA, probation service, ex judges, people from the prisoners re hab service and an ex con all agreed with J.W and STFC's take on the situation J.W reiterated that L.W is not being paid , he's not been offered a contract, he's just training as part of his re hab. J.W also said that the player is unlikely to travel to Italy as under the terms of his licence he may not be allowed abroad. Many fans phoned, texted or emailed in and agreed also with the club. A few also disagreed but this was mainly because they didn't or couldn't understand that Jeremy was saying "L.M has not been offered a contract and not likely to get one in the immediate future. One or two still said they won't come to watch STFC again whilst he is wearing the Town shirt (even though he won't be ). Thats their prerogative and I respect that but ultimately it's their loss. J.W also said that if it becomes too big an issue he will walk away. I hope this won't happen , Jeremy is Mr Swindon Town he was instrumental in bringing Paolo in and if J.W goes then it's possible our manager could also. Is this what these few people want ? I hope that everyone can see the bigger picture. I doubt that this debate will go away quietly for a while. However people have to understand what Jeremy is saying, "L.M is at Swindon as part of his re hab into society, he has not been offered a contract and not likeley to be offered in the near future" Jeremy please don't let a few fans turn your head the vast majority of us trust your judgement and back you.[/p][/quote]Going back to a post of mine yesterday, I suggested then that JW and the player should have come out with this together or a full explanation of their intent in the last home programme of the season, so they could put the full facts and full message etc across to the supporters rather than the press. Funny how its taken several days to do that and calm the flames of discontent when it could have all been done peaceably long ago. I also notice some very carefully chosen words and phrases around the offering of a contract. As far as I am concerned its been put to bed for now, but I think others will watch things more diligently. I hope that Wray stays, and his shared passion with PdC, and if there is any lesson to be learnt from this its how to engage PR, and save the harm done to the club, which none of us want. the wizard
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1:01pm Fri 25 May 12

Stilloyal says...

Wiz, why would they/ should they make a statement in the program ? The club have had other players training in the past and that hasn't required a statement from the club.
Should they have come out and said "BTW we've got a convict training with us three times a month and we're helping with his rehab" ? Personally I don't see any neccessity for this at that point. It should be enough for J.W to come out and clarify it now without certain fans having a massive knee jerk.


To the poster above that suggested J.W was being "childish" by saying he might step away if he didn't have the full backing of the fans, well I think you should really think about what you said there.
You can't expect someone to feel comfortable in their job if people don't want them or trust them.
Wiz, why would they/ should they make a statement in the program ? The club have had other players training in the past and that hasn't required a statement from the club. Should they have come out and said "BTW we've got a convict training with us three times a month and we're helping with his rehab" ? Personally I don't see any neccessity for this at that point. It should be enough for J.W to come out and clarify it now without certain fans having a massive knee jerk. To the poster above that suggested J.W was being "childish" by saying he might step away if he didn't have the full backing of the fans, well I think you should really think about what you said there. You can't expect someone to feel comfortable in their job if people don't want them or trust them. Stilloyal
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1:12pm Fri 25 May 12

mike1990 says...

Stilloyal wrote:
Wiz, why would they/ should they make a statement in the program ? The club have had other players training in the past and that hasn't required a statement from the club.
Should they have come out and said "BTW we've got a convict training with us three times a month and we're helping with his rehab" ? Personally I don't see any neccessity for this at that point. It should be enough for J.W to come out and clarify it now without certain fans having a massive knee jerk.


To the poster above that suggested J.W was being "childish" by saying he might step away if he didn't have the full backing of the fans, well I think you should really think about what you said there.
You can't expect someone to feel comfortable in their job if people don't want them or trust them.
Mr Wray has handled this very poorly,it's been a PR disaster,now he says he might step away if he don't get full backing from the fans,that is childish stilloyal,reminds me of the playground,when the spoilt brat says,do it my way or I'm taking my ball home,very childish for me.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: Wiz, why would they/ should they make a statement in the program ? The club have had other players training in the past and that hasn't required a statement from the club. Should they have come out and said "BTW we've got a convict training with us three times a month and we're helping with his rehab" ? Personally I don't see any neccessity for this at that point. It should be enough for J.W to come out and clarify it now without certain fans having a massive knee jerk. To the poster above that suggested J.W was being "childish" by saying he might step away if he didn't have the full backing of the fans, well I think you should really think about what you said there. You can't expect someone to feel comfortable in their job if people don't want them or trust them.[/p][/quote]Mr Wray has handled this very poorly,it's been a PR disaster,now he says he might step away if he don't get full backing from the fans,that is childish stilloyal,reminds me of the playground,when the spoilt brat says,do it my way or I'm taking my ball home,very childish for me. mike1990
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1:20pm Fri 25 May 12

stfc49 says...

totally agree been handled poorly and I still beleive he has been childish, especially for somebody who has built a successful business. Imagine if one of his employees said if this carries on I am going to leave, I am sure he would have said stop being childish and get on with your job. Maybe he has been learning from PDC who resigned because we signed a player he said he wanted, but then he didnt, and then racially abused him. I believe Mr Wray didnt realise what a stir this would cause and is trying to back down a little now and rightly so but maybe too late, unless a total change of heart
totally agree been handled poorly and I still beleive he has been childish, especially for somebody who has built a successful business. Imagine if one of his employees said if this carries on I am going to leave, I am sure he would have said stop being childish and get on with your job. Maybe he has been learning from PDC who resigned because we signed a player he said he wanted, but then he didnt, and then racially abused him. I believe Mr Wray didnt realise what a stir this would cause and is trying to back down a little now and rightly so but maybe too late, unless a total change of heart stfc49
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1:23pm Fri 25 May 12

Stilloyal says...

It's not childish , it's common sense . I wouldn't stay where I wasn't wanted nor would most people .
When people turn against you it's time to move on , for their sake and the sake of the club.
Remember the vile viterol aimed at Diamond Mike and his cronies ? But they deserved it because they were ripping the club off and trying to get us wound up.
J.W is doing the opposite he's working his socks off trying to get the club to a respectable level that it deserves and if the fans don't back him he must feel that he's wasting his time. Maybe you would welcome Diamond Mike or Donnegan & Blatchley back and have no club to support in a couple of years.
I know what I'd rather do and that is back the man that got this club promoted last season.
It's not childish , it's common sense . I wouldn't stay where I wasn't wanted nor would most people . When people turn against you it's time to move on , for their sake and the sake of the club. Remember the vile viterol aimed at Diamond Mike and his cronies ? But they deserved it because they were ripping the club off and trying to get us wound up. J.W is doing the opposite he's working his socks off trying to get the club to a respectable level that it deserves and if the fans don't back him he must feel that he's wasting his time. Maybe you would welcome Diamond Mike or Donnegan & Blatchley back and have no club to support in a couple of years. I know what I'd rather do and that is back the man that got this club promoted last season. Stilloyal
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1:31pm Fri 25 May 12

toshman says...

I don't imagine for a moment we're doomed but why do we keep placing hurdles in the way of the smooth running of the club?
I don't imagine for a moment we're doomed but why do we keep placing hurdles in the way of the smooth running of the club? toshman
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1:35pm Fri 25 May 12

stfclondon says...

stfc49 wrote:
totally agree been handled poorly and I still beleive he has been childish, especially for somebody who has built a successful business. Imagine if one of his employees said if this carries on I am going to leave, I am sure he would have said stop being childish and get on with your job. Maybe he has been learning from PDC who resigned because we signed a player he said he wanted, but then he didnt, and then racially abused him. I believe Mr Wray didnt realise what a stir this would cause and is trying to back down a little now and rightly so but maybe too late, unless a total change of heart
Don't you mean ALLEGEDLY racially abused him?

I smell a rat...
[quote][p][bold]stfc49[/bold] wrote: totally agree been handled poorly and I still beleive he has been childish, especially for somebody who has built a successful business. Imagine if one of his employees said if this carries on I am going to leave, I am sure he would have said stop being childish and get on with your job. Maybe he has been learning from PDC who resigned because we signed a player he said he wanted, but then he didnt, and then racially abused him. I believe Mr Wray didnt realise what a stir this would cause and is trying to back down a little now and rightly so but maybe too late, unless a total change of heart[/p][/quote]Don't you mean ALLEGEDLY racially abused him? I smell a rat... stfclondon
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1:38pm Fri 25 May 12

the don69 says...

Well J-Wray walked on water for me,until this situation but in my opinion he's got this badly wrong,the Peak family have said,Swindon are a family club so why work with this man,who ripped a family apart,so J-Wray stop making childish comments,you brought this on yourself you must now live with it!!!!!
Well J-Wray walked on water for me,until this situation but in my opinion he's got this badly wrong,the Peak family have said,Swindon are a family club so why work with this man,who ripped a family apart,so J-Wray stop making childish comments,you brought this on yourself you must now live with it!!!!! the don69
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1:40pm Fri 25 May 12

clunge_meister says...

LR and 45 - Given that it was widely reported that the club had a £4.4m player budget in the 10/11 season it would not surprise me if the budget was £3m+ last year.

We got rid of alot of high earners (Prutton, Douglas et al) but the sheer numbers that have been brought in will counter that somewhat.

I suspect also that we are adhering to the rules in place that surround the 55%. I've been trying to find the full document but can't locate one on the web but I would very much expect that there are exceptions given for promoted and relegated clubs which is why the creepies got away with it also.

As with any business as long as any losses are not excessive and properly funded I'm not going to worry too much.

Having said that I am concerned with a financing structure based around director loans in such an inherently risky industry. If directors wish to invest it should be done via equity only.
And that goes for all football clubs not just ours.
LR and 45 - Given that it was widely reported that the club had a £4.4m player budget in the 10/11 season it would not surprise me if the budget was £3m+ last year. We got rid of alot of high earners (Prutton, Douglas et al) but the sheer numbers that have been brought in will counter that somewhat. I suspect also that we are adhering to the rules in place that surround the 55%. I've been trying to find the full document but can't locate one on the web but I would very much expect that there are exceptions given for promoted and relegated clubs which is why the creepies got away with it also. As with any business as long as any losses are not excessive and properly funded I'm not going to worry too much. Having said that I am concerned with a financing structure based around director loans in such an inherently risky industry. If directors wish to invest it should be done via equity only. And that goes for all football clubs not just ours. clunge_meister
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1:57pm Fri 25 May 12

Micky Hazard's left flip flop says...

Isn't the obvious point that under the category of "commercial activities" in 2011 we have £1m+ transfer fee in for Austin, added to our "normal" revenue. I don't remember seeing any rules that transfer revenue was excluded from the calculation.

Any of PDC's spending (good or bad) will not be included in these accounts, as they are for the period to May 2011 - i.e. before PDC was appointed, so anyone linking this accounts issue to this seasons transfer is mistaken.

As for a couple of the comments above alluding to the view that any manager could have got promotion with STFC's budget - what utter, utter nonsense. Just look at the spending Huddersfield have had over the past 4 years or so in L1.
We should have the biggest budget in L2 - we had the biggest attendances and by all accounts the most valuable sponsorship.

It's so sad when we've just won our first title in the best part of 20 years, having played some great football and some people seemingly can't wait to start bad mouthing the achievement. TBH, all I can say to those is, this is as good as it gets supporting a lower league football club - if you can't enjoy it now, you never will.
Isn't the obvious point that under the category of "commercial activities" in 2011 we have £1m+ transfer fee in for Austin, added to our "normal" revenue. I don't remember seeing any rules that transfer revenue was excluded from the calculation. Any of PDC's spending (good or bad) will not be included in these accounts, as they are for the period to May 2011 - i.e. before PDC was appointed, so anyone linking this accounts issue to this seasons transfer is mistaken. As for a couple of the comments above alluding to the view that any manager could have got promotion with STFC's budget - what utter, utter nonsense. Just look at the spending Huddersfield have had over the past 4 years or so in L1. We should have the biggest budget in L2 - we had the biggest attendances and by all accounts the most valuable sponsorship. It's so sad when we've just won our first title in the best part of 20 years, having played some great football and some people seemingly can't wait to start bad mouthing the achievement. TBH, all I can say to those is, this is as good as it gets supporting a lower league football club - if you can't enjoy it now, you never will. Micky Hazard's left flip flop
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2:04pm Fri 25 May 12

Stilloyal says...

Micky Hazard's left flip flop wrote:
Isn't the obvious point that under the category of "commercial activities" in 2011 we have £1m+ transfer fee in for Austin, added to our "normal" revenue. I don't remember seeing any rules that transfer revenue was excluded from the calculation. Any of PDC's spending (good or bad) will not be included in these accounts, as they are for the period to May 2011 - i.e. before PDC was appointed, so anyone linking this accounts issue to this seasons transfer is mistaken. As for a couple of the comments above alluding to the view that any manager could have got promotion with STFC's budget - what utter, utter nonsense. Just look at the spending Huddersfield have had over the past 4 years or so in L1. We should have the biggest budget in L2 - we had the biggest attendances and by all accounts the most valuable sponsorship. It's so sad when we've just won our first title in the best part of 20 years, having played some great football and some people seemingly can't wait to start bad mouthing the achievement. TBH, all I can say to those is, this is as good as it gets supporting a lower league football club - if you can't enjoy it now, you never will.
Hear , hear Micky, some of our fans are never happy except to say they are at their happiest when they really do have something to moan about.
Maybe it's just withdrawal symptons or the sun has got to them.
Please remember guys we were the most successful team in L2 last season. We have the league 2 player of the year and the manager of the year. There that should give you something to whinge about !

I'm off to work now ! hehehehe
[quote][p][bold]Micky Hazard's left flip flop[/bold] wrote: Isn't the obvious point that under the category of "commercial activities" in 2011 we have £1m+ transfer fee in for Austin, added to our "normal" revenue. I don't remember seeing any rules that transfer revenue was excluded from the calculation. Any of PDC's spending (good or bad) will not be included in these accounts, as they are for the period to May 2011 - i.e. before PDC was appointed, so anyone linking this accounts issue to this seasons transfer is mistaken. As for a couple of the comments above alluding to the view that any manager could have got promotion with STFC's budget - what utter, utter nonsense. Just look at the spending Huddersfield have had over the past 4 years or so in L1. We should have the biggest budget in L2 - we had the biggest attendances and by all accounts the most valuable sponsorship. It's so sad when we've just won our first title in the best part of 20 years, having played some great football and some people seemingly can't wait to start bad mouthing the achievement. TBH, all I can say to those is, this is as good as it gets supporting a lower league football club - if you can't enjoy it now, you never will.[/p][/quote]Hear , hear Micky, some of our fans are never happy except to say they are at their happiest when they really do have something to moan about. Maybe it's just withdrawal symptons or the sun has got to them. Please remember guys we were the most successful team in L2 last season. We have the league 2 player of the year and the manager of the year. There that should give you something to whinge about ! I'm off to work now ! hehehehe Stilloyal
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2:30pm Fri 25 May 12

Rebel_phish says...

We are trully in the silly season now arn't we. This accounts business is company law. Sounds very dramatic - thanks Adver for that- but its proceedural clap-trap. Having run severl limited companies, this like receiving the red demand for your gas bill - pay up or else. The late filing of accounts does however have a finacial implication, the holding company will be fined a whopping £100 for late submission - providing its the first time in 3 years.

All I would like to know is.

1. Is Paolo signing an extension to his contract - and that really doesn't matter till the end of next season.
2. What are the great new signings that are comming in for next year.
3. When is the Euro prediction league going to start.

Football, Football, Football.
We are trully in the silly season now arn't we. This accounts business is company law. Sounds very dramatic - thanks Adver for that- but its proceedural clap-trap. Having run severl limited companies, this like receiving the red demand for your gas bill - pay up or else. The late filing of accounts does however have a finacial implication, the holding company will be fined a whopping £100 for late submission - providing its the first time in 3 years. All I would like to know is. 1. Is Paolo signing an extension to his contract - and that really doesn't matter till the end of next season. 2. What are the great new signings that are comming in for next year. 3. When is the Euro prediction league going to start. Football, Football, Football. Rebel_phish
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2:32pm Fri 25 May 12

LeGod says...

it annoys me when people say if you have the biggest budget you should win things. Unfortunatley its not as straight forward as that look at O'neill at Villa spent over 120 million won nothing and threw his toys out the pram when he couldnt have more so left he will do the same at Sunderland.
Money doesnt automatically win you things its putting the jigsaw together and the way the players are managed and coached that makes a team successful.
How does anyone know what our budget was? its all guess work by fans as no one knows really and i get riled when all the other clubs in L2 say we had the biggest budget no one has a clue what we spend and what our players are on.
Simply we have got better players -good management and coaches and great chairman and put the three together and they have brought success. Too many times in the past the three key factors at our club have been fragmented.
Its a team combination for success from top to bottom of a club which is currently what we have and long may it reign alot longer.
Paolo and his coaching staff
Players
Directors
They've set the goals of where they want to go and are going for it. If you didnt have all these key factors working together and you just chucked money to the manager and he wastes the money it doesnt work and i go back to O'Neill again at Villa all those players he bought for 120 million most of them hardly played a game.
it annoys me when people say if you have the biggest budget you should win things. Unfortunatley its not as straight forward as that look at O'neill at Villa spent over 120 million won nothing and threw his toys out the pram when he couldnt have more so left he will do the same at Sunderland. Money doesnt automatically win you things its putting the jigsaw together and the way the players are managed and coached that makes a team successful. How does anyone know what our budget was? its all guess work by fans as no one knows really and i get riled when all the other clubs in L2 say we had the biggest budget no one has a clue what we spend and what our players are on. Simply we have got better players -good management and coaches and great chairman and put the three together and they have brought success. Too many times in the past the three key factors at our club have been fragmented. Its a team combination for success from top to bottom of a club which is currently what we have and long may it reign alot longer. Paolo and his coaching staff Players Directors They've set the goals of where they want to go and are going for it. If you didnt have all these key factors working together and you just chucked money to the manager and he wastes the money it doesnt work and i go back to O'Neill again at Villa all those players he bought for 120 million most of them hardly played a game. LeGod
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2:46pm Fri 25 May 12

LeGod says...

Yes as a director of a company the comments by Fitton are fairly standard procedure and there are a great many companies that go through the same process and it is absolutley no need to panic or worry-i think the adver must be struggling for stories.
Yes as a director of a company the comments by Fitton are fairly standard procedure and there are a great many companies that go through the same process and it is absolutley no need to panic or worry-i think the adver must be struggling for stories. LeGod
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3:27pm Fri 25 May 12

London Red says...

You can add Liverpool to that - "King" spent £120m this season alone and they finished below Everton - who spent what £120k?
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I also bet their wages are enourmous in comparison to Everton too!
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Yes a massive budget helps - but it is no guarantee!
You can add Liverpool to that - "King" spent £120m this season alone and they finished below Everton - who spent what £120k? . I also bet their wages are enourmous in comparison to Everton too! . Yes a massive budget helps - but it is no guarantee! London Red
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3:28pm Fri 25 May 12

Micky Hazard's left flip flop says...

stfc49 wrote:
This is not a surprise to me. When Mr F took over he said he was going to run STFC like a business so that it did not get into the financial position it had in the past, i.e reliant upon money from shareholders to bail it out or to seek a successful team by buying its way up the leagues. I was not surprised that Mr F stepped down as after seeing one season when all financial and moral standards have gone out of the window he is probably a little concerned of where we find ourselves. Having posted over the last year concerning our playing budget of approx 3.6 million, yes London Red this will come out soon, propped up by shareholders putting in more money I am concerned as STFC will have to increase this again next year just to stand still, as in all bar about 6 cases the players bought by Dicanio were not good enough. I was hoping this madness was going to end, but then seeing 2 goal keepers have been laid off, and we are pinning our hopes on a guy who has killed two children and who has only mopped floors for 3 years I really acnt see the sense in all of this. How do you think Scotty and Smith feel? The existing shareholders are chasing a dream based on un ethical financial restraint and very low moral codes. We have had alledged sexism,racism,player /manager fights, and we carry on with the goal keeping situation etc etc. I love STFC and wish them continued success, and wish them no ill, only the best for the club and the town, but I do beleive that this will all end in tears. I await being called doom and gloom, the occasional poster, but surely if you look at the last year, success but at what cost?
You are doom and gloom.
[quote][p][bold]stfc49[/bold] wrote: This is not a surprise to me. When Mr F took over he said he was going to run STFC like a business so that it did not get into the financial position it had in the past, i.e reliant upon money from shareholders to bail it out or to seek a successful team by buying its way up the leagues. I was not surprised that Mr F stepped down as after seeing one season when all financial and moral standards have gone out of the window he is probably a little concerned of where we find ourselves. Having posted over the last year concerning our playing budget of approx 3.6 million, yes London Red this will come out soon, propped up by shareholders putting in more money I am concerned as STFC will have to increase this again next year just to stand still, as in all bar about 6 cases the players bought by Dicanio were not good enough. I was hoping this madness was going to end, but then seeing 2 goal keepers have been laid off, and we are pinning our hopes on a guy who has killed two children and who has only mopped floors for 3 years I really acnt see the sense in all of this. How do you think Scotty and Smith feel? The existing shareholders are chasing a dream based on un ethical financial restraint and very low moral codes. We have had alledged sexism,racism,player /manager fights, and we carry on with the goal keeping situation etc etc. I love STFC and wish them continued success, and wish them no ill, only the best for the club and the town, but I do beleive that this will all end in tears. I await being called doom and gloom, the occasional poster, but surely if you look at the last year, success but at what cost?[/p][/quote]You are doom and gloom. Micky Hazard's left flip flop
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3:29pm Fri 25 May 12

London Red says...

Yeah - the PFA list has finally been published this afternoon
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We can finally move on to more upbeat conversations about potential signings we will probably never make!
Yeah - the PFA list has finally been published this afternoon . We can finally move on to more upbeat conversations about potential signings we will probably never make! London Red
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3:38pm Fri 25 May 12

LeGod says...

stfc49 - well you are doom and gloom and lets put one thing right first we havent signed the keeper as for Smith and Scott sorry but they werent good enough and Smith has cost us alot of goals in the past.
As for the accounts as i've already stated there are thousands of companies in the uk that file their figures late and it is a very common practice and i would imagine there is a very good reason which is highly likely to be share issues.

You are dooming and glooming on guess work. Get youself a nice cool beer and sit in the sun and relax, the guys who run are club are very astute and successful business professionals so they are not stupid and know what they are doing.
Maybe have another beer !!!!!
stfc49 - well you are doom and gloom and lets put one thing right first we havent signed the keeper as for Smith and Scott sorry but they werent good enough and Smith has cost us alot of goals in the past. As for the accounts as i've already stated there are thousands of companies in the uk that file their figures late and it is a very common practice and i would imagine there is a very good reason which is highly likely to be share issues. You are dooming and glooming on guess work. Get youself a nice cool beer and sit in the sun and relax, the guys who run are club are very astute and successful business professionals so they are not stupid and know what they are doing. Maybe have another beer !!!!! LeGod
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3:48pm Fri 25 May 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

LeGod I've had companies dissolved through lack of form filling. Never my strongest point but not the end of the world. A pain but that's all.

London would not getting to Wembley, full house against Wigan and Leicester push our budget up last year? Just a thought.
LeGod I've had companies dissolved through lack of form filling. Never my strongest point but not the end of the world. A pain but that's all. London would not getting to Wembley, full house against Wigan and Leicester push our budget up last year? Just a thought. dreamofacleansheet2
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3:48pm Fri 25 May 12

ciclosporindorset says...

Is it ever possible that one day a football club will have more than a few supporters that are not driven by tribalism and hatred for every last thing they dont approve of? Is it possible that writers and commentators will ever accept the comments of the people that put their own money into a club beyond £25 / fortnight. Will there never be some acceptance that Mr Wray speaks openly and honestly about matters. Why such hate towards people because of their actions and words all done in the name of decency and democracy. There is a psychological game here called "Isn't it awful" It fits with what I see going on. Ultimately the club are doing nothing wrong that I can see and it must be very disappointing for JW to feel that his clubs supporters dont support him. That is as good a reason as any to go!
Is it ever possible that one day a football club will have more than a few supporters that are not driven by tribalism and hatred for every last thing they dont approve of? Is it possible that writers and commentators will ever accept the comments of the people that put their own money into a club beyond £25 / fortnight. Will there never be some acceptance that Mr Wray speaks openly and honestly about matters. Why such hate towards people because of their actions and words all done in the name of decency and democracy. There is a psychological game here called "Isn't it awful" It fits with what I see going on. Ultimately the club are doing nothing wrong that I can see and it must be very disappointing for JW to feel that his clubs supporters dont support him. That is as good a reason as any to go! ciclosporindorset
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4:08pm Fri 25 May 12

the wizard says...

ciclosporindorset wrote:
Is it ever possible that one day a football club will have more than a few supporters that are not driven by tribalism and hatred for every last thing they dont approve of? Is it possible that writers and commentators will ever accept the comments of the people that put their own money into a club beyond £25 / fortnight. Will there never be some acceptance that Mr Wray speaks openly and honestly about matters. Why such hate towards people because of their actions and words all done in the name of decency and democracy. There is a psychological game here called "Isn't it awful" It fits with what I see going on. Ultimately the club are doing nothing wrong that I can see and it must be very disappointing for JW to feel that his clubs supporters dont support him. That is as good a reason as any to go!
I liked Fitton and I think 99.9 % of supporters love Wray, and nobody within that in their right mind wants Wray to go, easy as that.
However this was always going to be a difficult and sensitive issue to deal with, and perhaps if they had come out in the way they did today, in the first place, a lot of what has gone on, been said and written, would for the greater part, been avoided.
The only element of doubt now is around the vagueness of whether the guy will ever in time actually sign for us. Perhaps over the intervening period he proves himself and his word with his off field exploits the pathway back will be easier than if it were now.
[quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: Is it ever possible that one day a football club will have more than a few supporters that are not driven by tribalism and hatred for every last thing they dont approve of? Is it possible that writers and commentators will ever accept the comments of the people that put their own money into a club beyond £25 / fortnight. Will there never be some acceptance that Mr Wray speaks openly and honestly about matters. Why such hate towards people because of their actions and words all done in the name of decency and democracy. There is a psychological game here called "Isn't it awful" It fits with what I see going on. Ultimately the club are doing nothing wrong that I can see and it must be very disappointing for JW to feel that his clubs supporters dont support him. That is as good a reason as any to go![/p][/quote]I liked Fitton and I think 99.9 % of supporters love Wray, and nobody within that in their right mind wants Wray to go, easy as that. However this was always going to be a difficult and sensitive issue to deal with, and perhaps if they had come out in the way they did today, in the first place, a lot of what has gone on, been said and written, would for the greater part, been avoided. The only element of doubt now is around the vagueness of whether the guy will ever in time actually sign for us. Perhaps over the intervening period he proves himself and his word with his off field exploits the pathway back will be easier than if it were now. the wizard
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4:18pm Fri 25 May 12

London Red says...

Dreams - I was just going off the back of what Watkins had said about "revenues holding up" in L2 - and Wray satying their is not much difference between L2 and L1 - which implies they fell but not by that much
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Also Cup Gate receipts are excluded so a team which lands Man U Away are not given a £500k wage bonus over another team via the luck of a draw
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So we can only include the Prize Money - which is not that much really
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To increase the wage bill from £2.6m to £3.6m we would need to generate £1.8m in revenue - would those have really generated that much?
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JPT is said to be £250k-£500k and that would be the biggest one
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We'll see what it was eventually - and I would be shocked if it is £3.6m and hopefully will be able to attend the AGM to ask about the cap etc
Dreams - I was just going off the back of what Watkins had said about "revenues holding up" in L2 - and Wray satying their is not much difference between L2 and L1 - which implies they fell but not by that much . Also Cup Gate receipts are excluded so a team which lands Man U Away are not given a £500k wage bonus over another team via the luck of a draw . So we can only include the Prize Money - which is not that much really . To increase the wage bill from £2.6m to £3.6m we would need to generate £1.8m in revenue - would those have really generated that much? . JPT is said to be £250k-£500k and that would be the biggest one . We'll see what it was eventually - and I would be shocked if it is £3.6m and hopefully will be able to attend the AGM to ask about the cap etc London Red
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4:30pm Fri 25 May 12

ciclosporindorset says...

Wiz, good calming words. Kevin mind jw said one step at a time. I believe him it's a suck and see with no sub script!
LR gates of course are the big driver and from what I can see av attendances are maybe 100 max lower than last year. The jot and fa cup are more than last year but not more than a million - ifonly.
Wiz, good calming words. Kevin mind jw said one step at a time. I believe him it's a suck and see with no sub script! LR gates of course are the big driver and from what I can see av attendances are maybe 100 max lower than last year. The jot and fa cup are more than last year but not more than a million - ifonly. ciclosporindorset
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4:40pm Fri 25 May 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Thanks London, I haven't quite read the rules and regulations!

To those that say JW is being childish about saying he'll resign. He's not doing anything of the sort. He's actually saying if he feels the club's reputation has been significantly damaged, he will resign so as to take responsibility for it.

Hardly the act of being childish. On the contrary more like a very honourable man. Hope to heck it doesn't happen.
Thanks London, I haven't quite read the rules and regulations! To those that say JW is being childish about saying he'll resign. He's not doing anything of the sort. He's actually saying if he feels the club's reputation has been significantly damaged, he will resign so as to take responsibility for it. Hardly the act of being childish. On the contrary more like a very honourable man. Hope to heck it doesn't happen. dreamofacleansheet2
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4:47pm Fri 25 May 12

London Red says...

Maybe all those one tme posters - who filled the boards with 1,000,000 rants can come and say how they don't want him to resign!
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Especially as he has NOT signed LM or even taking him on a "Jolly" to Italy as suggested
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What we are doing is working with him (as are the PFA who he appraoched) to do community work to help educate others to ensure this thing never happens again
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Which clearly could if Party on the Pitch rumours are true - we could have seen one of "our own" in that situation!
Maybe all those one tme posters - who filled the boards with 1,000,000 rants can come and say how they don't want him to resign! . Especially as he has NOT signed LM or even taking him on a "Jolly" to Italy as suggested . What we are doing is working with him (as are the PFA who he appraoched) to do community work to help educate others to ensure this thing never happens again . Which clearly could if Party on the Pitch rumours are true - we could have seen one of "our own" in that situation! London Red
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4:57pm Fri 25 May 12

zznewyork says...

The Adver sure likes controversy
The Adver sure likes controversy zznewyork
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5:32pm Fri 25 May 12

Stratton Red says...

London Red wrote:
Maybe all those one tme posters - who filled the boards with 1,000,000 rants can come and say how they don't want him to resign! . Especially as he has NOT signed LM or even taking him on a "Jolly" to Italy as suggested . What we are doing is working with him (as are the PFA who he appraoched) to do community work to help educate others to ensure this thing never happens again . Which clearly could if Party on the Pitch rumours are true - we could have seen one of "our own" in that situation!
LR, I know you're not naive and I know you know JW has dropped a ballock, a very big ballock. He's grossly underestimated the public outcry and has back tracked. He never ruled out not signing him and all the press I read clearly stated that he was going to Italy, not to mention the training was done very secretively, which is quite deceptive. JW took a brave stance taking on LM but he should have been clear that it was on the basis that we would never sign him permanently (I wonder whether that would have interested LM?) on the basis he trains with the reserves/youth and works with the PFA/FA/FL/local police on community related issues. Had JW made a statement to this effect then I believe the outcry would have been much less and maybe would have found more support/sympathy. They've justed debated the whole thing on radio 2 this afternoon for FS and we got slaughtered... The cynic in me suspects that some potential has been seen and thought a nice free signing was in the offing. I hope JW does stay but I think he needs to apologise to the fans and the Peaks for how this has been handled.
*
Anyway, on to football related matters. I'm interested to know what you mean by cup game receipts, drawing ManUre etc. Are you saying we wouldn't get half the gate (40%) for away games?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Maybe all those one tme posters - who filled the boards with 1,000,000 rants can come and say how they don't want him to resign! . Especially as he has NOT signed LM or even taking him on a "Jolly" to Italy as suggested . What we are doing is working with him (as are the PFA who he appraoched) to do community work to help educate others to ensure this thing never happens again . Which clearly could if Party on the Pitch rumours are true - we could have seen one of "our own" in that situation![/p][/quote]LR, I know you're not naive and I know you know JW has dropped a ballock, a very big ballock. He's grossly underestimated the public outcry and has back tracked. He never ruled out not signing him and all the press I read clearly stated that he was going to Italy, not to mention the training was done very secretively, which is quite deceptive. JW took a brave stance taking on LM but he should have been clear that it was on the basis that we would never sign him permanently (I wonder whether that would have interested LM?) on the basis he trains with the reserves/youth and works with the PFA/FA/FL/local police on community related issues. Had JW made a statement to this effect then I believe the outcry would have been much less and maybe would have found more support/sympathy. They've justed debated the whole thing on radio 2 this afternoon for FS and we got slaughtered... The cynic in me suspects that some potential has been seen and thought a nice free signing was in the offing. I hope JW does stay but I think he needs to apologise to the fans and the Peaks for how this has been handled. * Anyway, on to football related matters. I'm interested to know what you mean by cup game receipts, drawing ManUre etc. Are you saying we wouldn't get half the gate (40%) for away games? Stratton Red
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5:37pm Fri 25 May 12

35yrRED says...

London Red wrote:
Maybe all those one tme posters - who filled the boards with 1,000,000 rants can come and say how they don't want him to resign!
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Especially as he has NOT signed LM or even taking him on a "Jolly" to Italy as suggested
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What we are doing is working with him (as are the PFA who he appraoched) to do community work to help educate others to ensure this thing never happens again
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Which clearly could if Party on the Pitch rumours are true - we could have seen one of "our own" in that situation!
The problem is LR is that the way the Adver told the story originally led everyone to believe that the club were going to sign LM...infact the actually said we were!!! Also, unless the Adver has been mis-quoting J Wray (Which wouldn't surprise me at the moment) then Jeremy himself has changed his wording quite signifficantly in the last couple of days....This I believe is because he never really went into great depth to start with concerning this simply because in truth he was doing nothing wrong. When I first read the Advers take on this I was livid...as you could see by my posts yesterday (Hi StillLoyal!!...I'll buy you a pint when the season starts)...but if the story would have been broken accuratly i.e. "Swindon Town are to help LM with his rehabilitation and to offer him the chance to work with youngsters to prevent them making the same mistakes" then this whole PR own goal would never have happened.
Now I for one would certainly not want J Wray to leave, I believe that the partnership between him and PDC could lead to great things, and if the version we are hearing now regarding LM is correct then I can understand him getting frustrated by the response. However..both he and the Adver have to take some responsibility for that, it is a sensitive situation that needed to be handled both better and more sympathetically.

That said...I am sure that in just the same way that PDC learned incredibly fast from his mistakes last season concerning players that J Wray will learn from this situation and be a lot more aware when dealing with both the press and certain issues, he is after all like PDC on a learning curve.

True Swindon fans are behind them both 100%, of that there is no doubt.

As for the issue of filing the accounts I had a giggle when i read it!!! Simply because I knew that because of what many of us have gone through with Swindon Town in the past I could picture a lot of people staring at their PC screens muttering "Oh no!!! Not again" (Go on...admit it!!!) well this time I really believe we can not worry...there is no way they can move the shares around and file accurate accounts...if they did they they would have a lot of explaining to do to the authorities!!! The share issues will soon be settled, the accounts will be forthcoming...and it may even be that some MORE money could be on its way in!!! We have a very good supportive board...(How many years did I wait too say that!!!).

Finally....please stop worrying about the lack of transfer activity!!! Next week things will start moving...let the accounts get sorted, let PDC get back from his well deserved break and then we will all be talking about SOCKS!!! (For those of you on here who do not understand the sock reference....you may has well disappear back to your own forums or anti LM groups until a later date)

Right...where's my Cider gone?...the garden beckons!!!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Maybe all those one tme posters - who filled the boards with 1,000,000 rants can come and say how they don't want him to resign! . Especially as he has NOT signed LM or even taking him on a "Jolly" to Italy as suggested . What we are doing is working with him (as are the PFA who he appraoched) to do community work to help educate others to ensure this thing never happens again . Which clearly could if Party on the Pitch rumours are true - we could have seen one of "our own" in that situation![/p][/quote]The problem is LR is that the way the Adver told the story originally led everyone to believe that the club were going to sign LM...infact the actually said we were!!! Also, unless the Adver has been mis-quoting J Wray (Which wouldn't surprise me at the moment) then Jeremy himself has changed his wording quite signifficantly in the last couple of days....This I believe is because he never really went into great depth to start with concerning this simply because in truth he was doing nothing wrong. When I first read the Advers take on this I was livid...as you could see by my posts yesterday (Hi StillLoyal!!...I'll buy you a pint when the season starts)...but if the story would have been broken accuratly i.e. "Swindon Town are to help LM with his rehabilitation and to offer him the chance to work with youngsters to prevent them making the same mistakes" then this whole PR own goal would never have happened. Now I for one would certainly not want J Wray to leave, I believe that the partnership between him and PDC could lead to great things, and if the version we are hearing now regarding LM is correct then I can understand him getting frustrated by the response. However..both he and the Adver have to take some responsibility for that, it is a sensitive situation that needed to be handled both better and more sympathetically. That said...I am sure that in just the same way that PDC learned incredibly fast from his mistakes last season concerning players that J Wray will learn from this situation and be a lot more aware when dealing with both the press and certain issues, he is after all like PDC on a learning curve. True Swindon fans are behind them both 100%, of that there is no doubt. As for the issue of filing the accounts I had a giggle when i read it!!! Simply because I knew that because of what many of us have gone through with Swindon Town in the past I could picture a lot of people staring at their PC screens muttering "Oh no!!! Not again" (Go on...admit it!!!) well this time I really believe we can not worry...there is no way they can move the shares around and file accurate accounts...if they did they they would have a lot of explaining to do to the authorities!!! The share issues will soon be settled, the accounts will be forthcoming...and it may even be that some MORE money could be on its way in!!! We have a very good supportive board...(How many years did I wait too say that!!!). Finally....please stop worrying about the lack of transfer activity!!! Next week things will start moving...let the accounts get sorted, let PDC get back from his well deserved break and then we will all be talking about SOCKS!!! (For those of you on here who do not understand the sock reference....you may has well disappear back to your own forums or anti LM groups until a later date) Right...where's my Cider gone?...the garden beckons!!! 35yrRED
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5:48pm Fri 25 May 12

ciclosporindorset says...

No no no Stratton & 35. You just read what you want to . No critical thinking and no blaady sense of objectivity. Find a reason to go to war and fight the real enemy wherever they are but not here please! For fcuk sake can you not keep attacking the club just because they are supporting a democratic process. They are the good guys here. I am going for a nother drink - too much for end of week.
No no no Stratton & 35. You just read what you want to . No critical thinking and no blaady sense of objectivity. Find a reason to go to war and fight the real enemy wherever they are but not here please! For fcuk sake can you not keep attacking the club just because they are supporting a democratic process. They are the good guys here. I am going for a nother drink - too much for end of week. ciclosporindorset
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5:51pm Fri 25 May 12

Wilesy says...

I can't think of anyone who wants Jeremy Wray to walk away after his fantastic season as chairman, least of all me.

I hope the Adver bear that in mind with their reporting in the coming weeks. Other papers will be looking to sensationalise everything, and the majority of comments on here are led by the words in the article which doesn't always entirely reflect either the total discussion or the context in which things get said.
I can't think of anyone who wants Jeremy Wray to walk away after his fantastic season as chairman, least of all me. I hope the Adver bear that in mind with their reporting in the coming weeks. Other papers will be looking to sensationalise everything, and the majority of comments on here are led by the words in the article which doesn't always entirely reflect either the total discussion or the context in which things get said. Wilesy
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5:57pm Fri 25 May 12

35yrRED says...

ciclosporindorset wrote:
No no no Stratton & 35. You just read what you want to . No critical thinking and no blaady sense of objectivity. Find a reason to go to war and fight the real enemy wherever they are but not here please! For fcuk sake can you not keep attacking the club just because they are supporting a democratic process. They are the good guys here. I am going for a nother drink - too much for end of week.
I think you should read my post again!!!
[quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: No no no Stratton & 35. You just read what you want to . No critical thinking and no blaady sense of objectivity. Find a reason to go to war and fight the real enemy wherever they are but not here please! For fcuk sake can you not keep attacking the club just because they are supporting a democratic process. They are the good guys here. I am going for a nother drink - too much for end of week.[/p][/quote]I think you should read my post again!!! 35yrRED
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6:05pm Fri 25 May 12

peatmoor pirate says...

Old Town wrote:
peatmoor pirate wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed.
Carm down, carm down all is well.
We aren't doomed, but things are definitely not all well at the moment. This is probably an accounting technicality but given STFC's history, people can be forgiven for it making them nervous.
What things are 'definitely not all well at the moment' Pete ?

What is this inside problem ?

Where does this 'definite' inside information come from ?

Are we the ONLY club that has gained promotion, looking at bringing new players to the club, talking about building for the Championship etc. where so called experts talk about 'definite' problems......

Please back up and explain your claims ?
Um, who made you the arbiter of other's posts validity. My original post was simply to say things are far from fine at moment - the good name of the club being dragged through the gutter press, accusations of racism on the training ground etc. I didn't say i had any insider knowledge but it is clear to me from analysing what is in the public domain that things could be better for STFC than at present. As for the accounts, time will tell. The fact that they are late is not "fine"; it also isn't the end of the world.
My comment was in response to Stillloyal's comments that doom mongers would come out and that "all is well". He's entitled to his opinion and so am I.
[quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peatmoor pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed. Carm down, carm down all is well.[/p][/quote]We aren't doomed, but things are definitely not all well at the moment. This is probably an accounting technicality but given STFC's history, people can be forgiven for it making them nervous.[/p][/quote]What things are 'definitely not all well at the moment' Pete ? What is this inside problem ? Where does this 'definite' inside information come from ? Are we the ONLY club that has gained promotion, looking at bringing new players to the club, talking about building for the Championship etc. where so called experts talk about 'definite' problems...... Please back up and explain your claims ?[/p][/quote]Um, who made you the arbiter of other's posts validity. My original post was simply to say things are far from fine at moment - the good name of the club being dragged through the gutter press, accusations of racism on the training ground etc. I didn't say i had any insider knowledge but it is clear to me from analysing what is in the public domain that things could be better for STFC than at present. As for the accounts, time will tell. The fact that they are late is not "fine"; it also isn't the end of the world. My comment was in response to Stillloyal's comments that doom mongers would come out and that "all is well". He's entitled to his opinion and so am I. peatmoor pirate
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6:20pm Fri 25 May 12

Rebel_phish says...

Off Topic - if football matters are off topic

I heard the other day on 5Live, why do teems need to take 3 GKs to a tornament when clearly the 3rd choice is just going to warm the bench.

Headline
England goalkeeper John Ruddy has been ruled out of Euro 2012 after breaking his finger in training.

That's Why......
Off Topic - if football matters are off topic I heard the other day on 5Live, why do teems need to take 3 GKs to a tornament when clearly the 3rd choice is just going to warm the bench. Headline England goalkeeper John Ruddy has been ruled out of Euro 2012 after breaking his finger in training. That's Why...... Rebel_phish
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6:27pm Fri 25 May 12

Med Red says...

What a load of ol' cr4p.... Fitton's full of it!! Take no notice doom mongers, we're in safe hands with J Wray at the helm.
What a load of ol' cr4p.... Fitton's full of it!! Take no notice doom mongers, we're in safe hands with J Wray at the helm. Med Red
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6:38pm Fri 25 May 12

Stratton Red says...

35yrRED wrote:
ciclosporindorset wrote: No no no Stratton & 35. You just read what you want to . No critical thinking and no blaady sense of objectivity. Find a reason to go to war and fight the real enemy wherever they are but not here please! For fcuk sake can you not keep attacking the club just because they are supporting a democratic process. They are the good guys here. I am going for a nother drink - too much for end of week.
I think you should read my post again!!!
And mine!!! I support JW helping LM providing we never ever sign him to play professional football. If you disagree with this then I respect your opinion but please don't tarnish the democratic process you so vigorously defend by dening me my freedom of speach and freedom of thought...
[quote][p][bold]35yrRED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: No no no Stratton & 35. You just read what you want to . No critical thinking and no blaady sense of objectivity. Find a reason to go to war and fight the real enemy wherever they are but not here please! For fcuk sake can you not keep attacking the club just because they are supporting a democratic process. They are the good guys here. I am going for a nother drink - too much for end of week.[/p][/quote]I think you should read my post again!!![/p][/quote]And mine!!! I support JW helping LM providing we never ever sign him to play professional football. If you disagree with this then I respect your opinion but please don't tarnish the democratic process you so vigorously defend by dening me my freedom of speach and freedom of thought... Stratton Red
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6:49pm Fri 25 May 12

sp1dersw3b says...

Just for the record my first game was at the CG in 1963 v Shrewsbury ..Roger Smart scoring in about 88 minutes 1-0 and promotion! Swindon CHA!! CHA!! CHA!!...as I remember was the TE's favourite chant..lol..I am a ST holder and I admire JW for his decency and compassion for all sides...he is not childish at all....we need him to stay...period...if we love our club, so I am supporting him 100%
As for the accounts...this is just common practise. COYR's
Just for the record my first game was at the CG in 1963 v Shrewsbury ..Roger Smart scoring in about 88 minutes 1-0 and promotion! Swindon CHA!! CHA!! CHA!!...as I remember was the TE's favourite chant..lol..I am a ST holder and I admire JW for his decency and compassion for all sides...he is not childish at all....we need him to stay...period...if we love our club, so I am supporting him 100% As for the accounts...this is just common practise. COYR's sp1dersw3b
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7:34pm Fri 25 May 12

London Red says...

SR and 35 - thats why I ignored the "media" and read what JW was saying in his interviews
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They repeatedly stated about community role and rehabilitation
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I also felt he got a lot of personal abuse over the last few days (not necessarily you) which were uncalled for
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Anyway I have read through the PFA list and will publish my wishlist shortly - bet you can't wait :0)
SR and 35 - thats why I ignored the "media" and read what JW was saying in his interviews . They repeatedly stated about community role and rehabilitation . I also felt he got a lot of personal abuse over the last few days (not necessarily you) which were uncalled for . Anyway I have read through the PFA list and will publish my wishlist shortly - bet you can't wait :0) London Red
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7:43pm Fri 25 May 12

Pinehurstred says...

London Red wrote:
49 - that doesn't answer the question as it came out of the Malta conferance that Top Ups are not allowed to prevent a "Man City of L2"
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It said Revenue was restricted to Match Day (excluding Cup Gate Receipts), Sponsorship, Prize Money and Commercial Activites
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We have been generating £4-5m over recent years which is only £2.2-£2.75m on wages
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So again how have we got around that by adding an extra £1m on top?????
How the fvck do any of you no what the budget is or was..
3.6M no it not it was 4M...
NO ACCOUNTS HAVE BEEN RELEASED so please STOP MAKING OUT THAT YOU NO AS YOU DONT...

And has anyone thought that this is why Paolo has not signed a new deal as the club might not have the funds,???.
and this might be why we have not signed any players yet
NO ONE KNOWS SO STOP MAKING OUT YOU DO
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: 49 - that doesn't answer the question as it came out of the Malta conferance that Top Ups are not allowed to prevent a "Man City of L2" . It said Revenue was restricted to Match Day (excluding Cup Gate Receipts), Sponsorship, Prize Money and Commercial Activites . We have been generating £4-5m over recent years which is only £2.2-£2.75m on wages . So again how have we got around that by adding an extra £1m on top?????[/p][/quote]How the fvck do any of you no what the budget is or was.. 3.6M no it not it was 4M... NO ACCOUNTS HAVE BEEN RELEASED so please STOP MAKING OUT THAT YOU NO AS YOU DONT... And has anyone thought that this is why Paolo has not signed a new deal as the club might not have the funds,???. and this might be why we have not signed any players yet NO ONE KNOWS SO STOP MAKING OUT YOU DO Pinehurstred
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8:05pm Fri 25 May 12

ciclosporindorset says...

35 yr and Stratton sorry I have formed views in / on first para of most posts as they are so prejudiced vs stfc. getting sick of it all i am v defensive stfc have been my constant thru murdered and murdered for 40 years and as close to my home as i will be.
35 yr and Stratton sorry I have formed views in / on first para of most posts as they are so prejudiced vs stfc. getting sick of it all i am v defensive stfc have been my constant thru murdered and murdered for 40 years and as close to my home as i will be. ciclosporindorset
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8:14pm Fri 25 May 12

Old Town says...

peatmoor pirate wrote:
Old Town wrote:
peatmoor pirate wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed.
Carm down, carm down all is well.
We aren't doomed, but things are definitely not all well at the moment. This is probably an accounting technicality but given STFC's history, people can be forgiven for it making them nervous.
What things are 'definitely not all well at the moment' Pete ?

What is this inside problem ?

Where does this 'definite' inside information come from ?

Are we the ONLY club that has gained promotion, looking at bringing new players to the club, talking about building for the Championship etc. where so called experts talk about 'definite' problems......

Please back up and explain your claims ?
Um, who made you the arbiter of other's posts validity. My original post was simply to say things are far from fine at moment - the good name of the club being dragged through the gutter press, accusations of racism on the training ground etc. I didn't say i had any insider knowledge but it is clear to me from analysing what is in the public domain that things could be better for STFC than at present. As for the accounts, time will tell. The fact that they are late is not "fine"; it also isn't the end of the world.
My comment was in response to Stillloyal's comments that doom mongers would come out and that "all is well". He's entitled to his opinion and so am I.
Ah - so you don't actually know anything then - just as I thought....

You stated quite casually "things are definitely not all well at the moment" - but obviously have nothing to back it up because frankly you haven't a clue !

Who says thing are not well ? Inside the club - not reading the gutter press, you might find that things are absolutely fine - no-one has any reason to think otherwise unless you just want to add 2 and 2 together and make 12 !

I am not an "arbiter of other posts validity" - just a supporter who is pi**ed off reading the nonsense that gets spouted on here by people who claim to be fans but in fact take the opportunity to try and make out things are bad - when CLEARLY they are not......

You are of course entitled to your opinion - it's just a shame its such a bloody daft one !
[quote][p][bold]peatmoor pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peatmoor pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed. Carm down, carm down all is well.[/p][/quote]We aren't doomed, but things are definitely not all well at the moment. This is probably an accounting technicality but given STFC's history, people can be forgiven for it making them nervous.[/p][/quote]What things are 'definitely not all well at the moment' Pete ? What is this inside problem ? Where does this 'definite' inside information come from ? Are we the ONLY club that has gained promotion, looking at bringing new players to the club, talking about building for the Championship etc. where so called experts talk about 'definite' problems...... Please back up and explain your claims ?[/p][/quote]Um, who made you the arbiter of other's posts validity. My original post was simply to say things are far from fine at moment - the good name of the club being dragged through the gutter press, accusations of racism on the training ground etc. I didn't say i had any insider knowledge but it is clear to me from analysing what is in the public domain that things could be better for STFC than at present. As for the accounts, time will tell. The fact that they are late is not "fine"; it also isn't the end of the world. My comment was in response to Stillloyal's comments that doom mongers would come out and that "all is well". He's entitled to his opinion and so am I.[/p][/quote]Ah - so you don't actually know anything then - just as I thought.... You stated quite casually "things are definitely not all well at the moment" - but obviously have nothing to back it up because frankly you haven't a clue ! Who says thing are not well ? Inside the club - not reading the gutter press, you might find that things are absolutely fine - no-one has any reason to think otherwise unless you just want to add 2 and 2 together and make 12 ! I am not an "arbiter of other posts validity" - just a supporter who is pi**ed off reading the nonsense that gets spouted on here by people who claim to be fans but in fact take the opportunity to try and make out things are bad - when CLEARLY they are not...... You are of course entitled to your opinion - it's just a shame its such a bloody daft one ! Old Town
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8:38pm Fri 25 May 12

Pinehurstred says...

WELL SAID OLD TOWN...
SOME of the people on This forum think there being clever with writing things that they know NOTHING ABOUT...
WELL SAID OLD TOWN... SOME of the people on This forum think there being clever with writing things that they know NOTHING ABOUT... Pinehurstred
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9:06pm Fri 25 May 12

jam1 says...

dont know if anyones seen the article from jeremy wray on bbc sport, basically saying he'd resign if he thought he was harming the club with regards to the mccormick issue. Do all the people who are slating his stance on the issue realise they are questioning the mans integrity?? Would you rather he resigned and perhaps paolo as well? Would that make you happy!!?? We should be proud to have jeremy as our chairman, he's an honourable man and is nick watkins and of course paolo. They are intelligent men, who obviously haven't made their decision on a whim... As painful as this issue is for the family involved in this tragedy, you either trust and back the boards decision as i have, or you are against them and risk losing them
dont know if anyones seen the article from jeremy wray on bbc sport, basically saying he'd resign if he thought he was harming the club with regards to the mccormick issue. Do all the people who are slating his stance on the issue realise they are questioning the mans integrity?? Would you rather he resigned and perhaps paolo as well? Would that make you happy!!?? We should be proud to have jeremy as our chairman, he's an honourable man and is nick watkins and of course paolo. They are intelligent men, who obviously haven't made their decision on a whim... As painful as this issue is for the family involved in this tragedy, you either trust and back the boards decision as i have, or you are against them and risk losing them jam1
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9:56pm Fri 25 May 12

Micky Hazard's left flip flop says...

peatmoor pirate wrote:
Old Town wrote:
peatmoor pirate wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed.
Carm down, carm down all is well.
We aren't doomed, but things are definitely not all well at the moment. This is probably an accounting technicality but given STFC's history, people can be forgiven for it making them nervous.
What things are 'definitely not all well at the moment' Pete ?

What is this inside problem ?

Where does this 'definite' inside information come from ?

Are we the ONLY club that has gained promotion, looking at bringing new players to the club, talking about building for the Championship etc. where so called experts talk about 'definite' problems......

Please back up and explain your claims ?
Um, who made you the arbiter of other's posts validity. My original post was simply to say things are far from fine at moment - the good name of the club being dragged through the gutter press, accusations of racism on the training ground etc. I didn't say i had any insider knowledge but it is clear to me from analysing what is in the public domain that things could be better for STFC than at present. As for the accounts, time will tell. The fact that they are late is not "fine"; it also isn't the end of the world.
My comment was in response to Stillloyal's comments that doom mongers would come out and that "all is well". He's entitled to his opinion and so am I.
"things are far from fine at the moment"????
We've just won the title, whilst playing some great football, with a exciting manager. Things are absolutely great!! Best they've been in 20 odd years.

This the accounts, the third hand accusations of racism 3 months after a disgruntled player is sent home and the fact of someone occasionally training with STFC are just non-stories.

J Wray has been brilliant for the club since being in post - some of the abuse on here and elsewhere from so-called Town fans is so, so poor.

I'm sure some "fans" would be happier with the old regime. Talk about glass half empty....
[quote][p][bold]peatmoor pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peatmoor pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: OH dear , the doom mongers will be at their keyboards today , Werrre doomed I tell ya , doomed. Carm down, carm down all is well.[/p][/quote]We aren't doomed, but things are definitely not all well at the moment. This is probably an accounting technicality but given STFC's history, people can be forgiven for it making them nervous.[/p][/quote]What things are 'definitely not all well at the moment' Pete ? What is this inside problem ? Where does this 'definite' inside information come from ? Are we the ONLY club that has gained promotion, looking at bringing new players to the club, talking about building for the Championship etc. where so called experts talk about 'definite' problems...... Please back up and explain your claims ?[/p][/quote]Um, who made you the arbiter of other's posts validity. My original post was simply to say things are far from fine at moment - the good name of the club being dragged through the gutter press, accusations of racism on the training ground etc. I didn't say i had any insider knowledge but it is clear to me from analysing what is in the public domain that things could be better for STFC than at present. As for the accounts, time will tell. The fact that they are late is not "fine"; it also isn't the end of the world. My comment was in response to Stillloyal's comments that doom mongers would come out and that "all is well". He's entitled to his opinion and so am I.[/p][/quote]"things are far from fine at the moment"???? We've just won the title, whilst playing some great football, with a exciting manager. Things are absolutely great!! Best they've been in 20 odd years. This the accounts, the third hand accusations of racism 3 months after a disgruntled player is sent home and the fact of someone occasionally training with STFC are just non-stories. J Wray has been brilliant for the club since being in post - some of the abuse on here and elsewhere from so-called Town fans is so, so poor. I'm sure some "fans" would be happier with the old regime. Talk about glass half empty.... Micky Hazard's left flip flop
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11:41pm Fri 25 May 12

joey butler says...

Sorry guys,

But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here.

I think he is a very decent person and he will resign.

And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.
Sorry guys, But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here. I think he is a very decent person and he will resign. And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again. joey butler
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11:43pm Fri 25 May 12

bowralbob says...

What a lot of " hot air" this silly story has created.
What is done is done, but, it's easily solved, give him his trial and then say 'no thanks". End of.....
What a lot of " hot air" this silly story has created. What is done is done, but, it's easily solved, give him his trial and then say 'no thanks". End of..... bowralbob
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11:46pm Fri 25 May 12

bowralbob says...

joey butler wrote:
Sorry guys,

But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here.

I think he is a very decent person and he will resign.

And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.
Nutter..
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry guys, But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here. I think he is a very decent person and he will resign. And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.[/p][/quote]Nutter.. bowralbob
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11:52pm Fri 25 May 12

Micky Hazard's left flip flop says...

joey butler wrote:
Sorry guys,

But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here.

I think he is a very decent person and he will resign.

And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.
A quiet night in Oxford, preparing for another season in L2 I guess.
Go away troll.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry guys, But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here. I think he is a very decent person and he will resign. And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.[/p][/quote]A quiet night in Oxford, preparing for another season in L2 I guess. Go away troll. Micky Hazard's left flip flop
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12:01am Sat 26 May 12

KojaktheWarg says...

joey butler wrote:
Sorry guys,

But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here.

I think he is a very decent person and he will resign.

And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.
Go back to your three-sided ground.

JW is good guy. Period.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry guys, But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here. I think he is a very decent person and he will resign. And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.[/p][/quote]Go back to your three-sided ground. JW is good guy. Period. KojaktheWarg
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12:03am Sat 26 May 12

joey butler says...

Micky Hazard's left flip flop wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Sorry guys,

But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here.

I think he is a very decent person and he will resign.

And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.
A quiet night in Oxford, preparing for another season in L2 I guess.
Go away troll.
Didn't realise you live in Oxford Micky, sorry it is so quiet. I live in Hereford.
[quote][p][bold]Micky Hazard's left flip flop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry guys, But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here. I think he is a very decent person and he will resign. And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.[/p][/quote]A quiet night in Oxford, preparing for another season in L2 I guess. Go away troll.[/p][/quote]Didn't realise you live in Oxford Micky, sorry it is so quiet. I live in Hereford. joey butler
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12:08am Sat 26 May 12

Oi Den! says...

I am a big supporter of Wray and Fitton but find it a bit disconcerting that after a year accounts have not been filed at Companies House. I wish Fitton had given a clearer explanation. He runs the risk of sounding like a Diamandis-type bullshiitter.
.
By the way, some people seem puzzled that Fitton is a director of the company while apparently not holding any shares. Many people are appointed directors of companies without holding shares. Directors are officers of the company, not owners. They may be both - but they don't have to be.
I am a big supporter of Wray and Fitton but find it a bit disconcerting that after a year accounts have not been filed at Companies House. I wish Fitton had given a clearer explanation. He runs the risk of sounding like a Diamandis-type bullshiitter. . By the way, some people seem puzzled that Fitton is a director of the company while apparently not holding any shares. Many people are appointed directors of companies without holding shares. Directors are officers of the company, not owners. They may be both - but they don't have to be. Oi Den!
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1:23am Sat 26 May 12

madterrier says...

I find this a bit disconcerting, but I'm not alarmed yet.

I'm no accountant but I have my own limited company. we have to file annual accounts, and also an annual return. The two are quite separate things and are filed at different times.

The accounts relate to trading activities. The annual return relates to a report on who are directors in the club and any changes in share ownership.

Normally a transfer of shares would be covered in the annual return.

And, as Fitton says that changes in share ownership happened after the financial year end, I don't see what that has to do with it. The trading for the year had closed and should be reported. Share movements after that date have nothing to do with it.

Anyway, I stand to be corrected if anyone knows better. But that is how my company has operated.
I find this a bit disconcerting, but I'm not alarmed yet. I'm no accountant but I have my own limited company. we have to file annual accounts, and also an annual return. The two are quite separate things and are filed at different times. The accounts relate to trading activities. The annual return relates to a report on who are directors in the club and any changes in share ownership. Normally a transfer of shares would be covered in the annual return. And, as Fitton says that changes in share ownership happened after the financial year end, I don't see what that has to do with it. The trading for the year had closed and should be reported. Share movements after that date have nothing to do with it. Anyway, I stand to be corrected if anyone knows better. But that is how my company has operated. madterrier
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6:13am Sat 26 May 12

London Red says...

In accounts you have to record all material post year events
.
That's why in the Football Club's accounts always include the summer transfer activities in that part
.
Im sure a major change in ownership would be deemed material enough to have to disclose in the accounts
In accounts you have to record all material post year events . That's why in the Football Club's accounts always include the summer transfer activities in that part . Im sure a major change in ownership would be deemed material enough to have to disclose in the accounts London Red
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9:48am Sat 26 May 12

Micky Hazard's left flip flop says...

joey butler wrote:
Micky Hazard's left flip flop wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Sorry guys,

But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here.

I think he is a very decent person and he will resign.

And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.
A quiet night in Oxford, preparing for another season in L2 I guess.
Go away troll.
Didn't realise you live in Oxford Micky, sorry it is so quiet. I live in Hereford.
Not a Swindon fan then I take it. Thought not.
Go away.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Micky Hazard's left flip flop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry guys, But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here. I think he is a very decent person and he will resign. And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.[/p][/quote]A quiet night in Oxford, preparing for another season in L2 I guess. Go away troll.[/p][/quote]Didn't realise you live in Oxford Micky, sorry it is so quiet. I live in Hereford.[/p][/quote]Not a Swindon fan then I take it. Thought not. Go away. Micky Hazard's left flip flop
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10:52am Sat 26 May 12

madterrier says...

London Red wrote:
In accounts you have to record all material post year events
.
That's why in the Football Club's accounts always include the summer transfer activities in that part
.
Im sure a major change in ownership would be deemed material enough to have to disclose in the accounts
So when do you draw the line? i.e. how long after the year-end closes do you have to report information that happens afterwards? You can't keep them open indefinitely.

And if it is just reporting that event, then surely that could be entered fairly quickly and no reason for such delay. But hey-ho, I guess I'm not the only one to be fined by Companies House for filing a return late.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: In accounts you have to record all material post year events . That's why in the Football Club's accounts always include the summer transfer activities in that part . Im sure a major change in ownership would be deemed material enough to have to disclose in the accounts[/p][/quote]So when do you draw the line? i.e. how long after the year-end closes do you have to report information that happens afterwards? You can't keep them open indefinitely. And if it is just reporting that event, then surely that could be entered fairly quickly and no reason for such delay. But hey-ho, I guess I'm not the only one to be fined by Companies House for filing a return late. madterrier
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4:45pm Sat 26 May 12

Oi Den! says...

madterrier wrote:
London Red wrote:
In accounts you have to record all material post year events
.
That's why in the Football Club's accounts always include the summer transfer activities in that part
.
Im sure a major change in ownership would be deemed material enough to have to disclose in the accounts
So when do you draw the line? i.e. how long after the year-end closes do you have to report information that happens afterwards? You can't keep them open indefinitely.

And if it is just reporting that event, then surely that could be entered fairly quickly and no reason for such delay. But hey-ho, I guess I'm not the only one to be fined by Companies House for filing a return late.
I think you have to disclose any material events that occur before the accounts are signed off and submitted. I'm wondering whether what this is really about is the board delaying the disclosure for some reason. It can't be that difficult to compose a note explaining the change in shareholdings. Doesn't smell quite right to me.
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: In accounts you have to record all material post year events . That's why in the Football Club's accounts always include the summer transfer activities in that part . Im sure a major change in ownership would be deemed material enough to have to disclose in the accounts[/p][/quote]So when do you draw the line? i.e. how long after the year-end closes do you have to report information that happens afterwards? You can't keep them open indefinitely. And if it is just reporting that event, then surely that could be entered fairly quickly and no reason for such delay. But hey-ho, I guess I'm not the only one to be fined by Companies House for filing a return late.[/p][/quote]I think you have to disclose any material events that occur before the accounts are signed off and submitted. I'm wondering whether what this is really about is the board delaying the disclosure for some reason. It can't be that difficult to compose a note explaining the change in shareholdings. Doesn't smell quite right to me. Oi Den!
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12:02am Tue 29 May 12

joey butler says...

Micky Hazard's left flip flop wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Micky Hazard's left flip flop wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Sorry guys,

But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here.

I think he is a very decent person and he will resign.

And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.
A quiet night in Oxford, preparing for another season in L2 I guess.
Go away troll.
Didn't realise you live in Oxford Micky, sorry it is so quiet. I live in Hereford.
Not a Swindon fan then I take it. Thought not.
Go away.
Wrong Micky,

What is wrong with a Swindon fan of 47 years currently living in Hereford?

What a total dick you are, which you demonstrate time after time!!
[quote][p][bold]Micky Hazard's left flip flop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Micky Hazard's left flip flop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry guys, But Mr Wray has totally destroyed his credibility over this and there is no way back for him. He is finished here. I think he is a very decent person and he will resign. And PDC should follow him out of the door, he has destroyed his credibility several times now and should not ever be associated with Swindon Town again.[/p][/quote]A quiet night in Oxford, preparing for another season in L2 I guess. Go away troll.[/p][/quote]Didn't realise you live in Oxford Micky, sorry it is so quiet. I live in Hereford.[/p][/quote]Not a Swindon fan then I take it. Thought not. Go away.[/p][/quote]Wrong Micky, What is wrong with a Swindon fan of 47 years currently living in Hereford? What a total dick you are, which you demonstrate time after time!! joey butler
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