Apologise or get out

Paolo Di Canio clashes with Wes Foderingham at Deepdale after substituting his goalkeeper after just 22 minutes.

Paolo Di Canio clashes with Wes Foderingham at Deepdale after substituting his goalkeeper after just 22 minutes.

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PAOLO Di Canio has threatened to axe Wes Foderingham if the Town goalkeeper does not openly apologise for what his manager viewed as arrogance and ignorance during the 4-1 defeat at Preston.

Foderingham was at fault for the first Lilywhites goal, hesitating over a clearance which then rebounded off Stuart Beavon into the path of Akpo Sodje to score.

After 22 minutes of the game, with Swindon 2-0 down, Di Canio hauled his keeper off the pitch – replacing him with teenager Leigh Bedwell. Foderingham would later choose not to sit in the dug-out but take a place in the stands during the second period.

In his post-match interview, Di Canio launched into vehement criticism of Foderingham for his performance on and off the pitch, culminating in an extraordinary threat against the man who has kept 28 clean sheets in 47 games for the Robins.

When asked why he withdrew Foderingham so early, the Town boss said: “Because he was one of the worst players I have ever seen in a football match. He is a player like the others. “Why can’t we change the goalkeeper? Is the goalkeeper is an element who plays on with another team because he has a different colour on his shirt? I know my players, I know Wes – he was the crappy player even against Stoke.

“Today what he did, it’s not only the mistake that can happen to everyone. The arrogance later, when he started moaning to the others, that was the worst thing for me because it let me realise that a player doesn’t recognise his mistakes that was clear miles away, that was a rubbish mistake.

“I said to him ‘now calm because we have to keep going’, we give the ball straight away to them and then start again moaning to the others.

“Today he started behaving as the worst professional; arrogant, ignorant in some way – not as a person, as an athlete – I have ever seen.

“If he doesn’t come out and say sorry to the fans, for the professionalism in general, he is out from my team. I don’t want any argument from the fans ‘we play Oxford, we have a season’ - no.

“I don’t mind because this is my rules and Bedwell did very, very well. Maybe he behaved like this because the window’s closed. Another question mark.

“I’m ready to bring in a goalkeeper. I’m ready to ask my chairman if he doesn’t go out and say sorry to everybody because this has to come from the stomach and from the heart.

“If he doesn’t think he made a mistake in the way he behaved he has to think who he is? Cech?

“He was nothing until the day he joined me, not the club but me. He didn’t have one second as a professional, nobody wanted him because he’s 181cm. In English football everybody want 199 like the f***ing Preston goalkeeper.

“He should have his career cut and you know that is true, but just because we believed in him and there is no importance in that because he is very good – thanks to him because he did well last year – he forgot everything. He is arrogant, he’s still 20. He thinks he’s untouchable. “

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6:04am Mon 3 Sep 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST...
At least this one is worth some money
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST... At least this one is worth some money DarrenSTFCRomain
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6:12am Mon 3 Sep 12

Synthesizer Jones says...

We won't have any players left at this rate. Foderingham has been excellent since he joined; the best keeper we've had since Fraser Digby. He's got nothing to apologise for and shouldn't have to put up with being insulted byDi Canio in the press. If anyone should be apologising, it should be the manager who is more than happy to claim the adulation for victory but quick to point the finger of blame for failure.

Caddis, Foderingham, who next?
We won't have any players left at this rate. Foderingham has been excellent since he joined; the best keeper we've had since Fraser Digby. He's got nothing to apologise for and shouldn't have to put up with being insulted byDi Canio in the press. If anyone should be apologising, it should be the manager who is more than happy to claim the adulation for victory but quick to point the finger of blame for failure. Caddis, Foderingham, who next? Synthesizer Jones
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6:16am Mon 3 Sep 12

UsernameSTFC says...

At least we can say we had sir wes for a while and got to see his remarkable skill in goal! Oh and can say we got the privlage to watch caddis play for the town while we're at it! Very disappointed today!!
At least we can say we had sir wes for a while and got to see his remarkable skill in goal! Oh and can say we got the privlage to watch caddis play for the town while we're at it! Very disappointed today!! UsernameSTFC
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6:21am Mon 3 Sep 12

california andy says...

Crazy to haul Foderingham off like that, even if he was sub-par v Stoke and in the first twenty minutes. It can't be good as a goal keeper to make a bad mistake and immediately get shown up like this. On the other hand, Fodders' reaction was terrible - the water bottle kicking, and then off to the stands to sign autographs, and staying there even after the end of the match. Bad for the team and two fingers up towards someone who won't tolerate that sort of thing and shouldn't. Very immature on one person's part and much too hot-headed on the other. For all Paolo's wonderful qualities, his explosive temper and tendency to act in haste threaten to undermine all his good work. This is now a terrible situation. There is one other goalie on the books and he is a kid. Fodders may or may not eat crow. if not....
Crazy to haul Foderingham off like that, even if he was sub-par v Stoke and in the first twenty minutes. It can't be good as a goal keeper to make a bad mistake and immediately get shown up like this. On the other hand, Fodders' reaction was terrible - the water bottle kicking, and then off to the stands to sign autographs, and staying there even after the end of the match. Bad for the team and two fingers up towards someone who won't tolerate that sort of thing and shouldn't. Very immature on one person's part and much too hot-headed on the other. For all Paolo's wonderful qualities, his explosive temper and tendency to act in haste threaten to undermine all his good work. This is now a terrible situation. There is one other goalie on the books and he is a kid. Fodders may or may not eat crow. if not.... california andy
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6:30am Mon 3 Sep 12

aussieg says...

This is crazy--what the hell is Pdc doing, the Board must talk to him--we may have a walk out--a strike on our hands--what really happened with Caddis--the manager should say sorry its just my temper---Wes should say sorry to his team mates--come on lets get this sorted out please
This is crazy--what the hell is Pdc doing, the Board must talk to him--we may have a walk out--a strike on our hands--what really happened with Caddis--the manager should say sorry its just my temper---Wes should say sorry to his team mates--come on lets get this sorted out please aussieg
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6:32am Mon 3 Sep 12

ScottLeitch says...

At the end of the day there are dozens of goalkeepers itching to play some games, we have a good defence so I wouldn't be suprised if the guy who comes in on loan does well...
At the end of the day there are dozens of goalkeepers itching to play some games, we have a good defence so I wouldn't be suprised if the guy who comes in on loan does well... ScottLeitch
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6:54am Mon 3 Sep 12

UsernameSTFC says...

ScottLeitch wrote:
At the end of the day there are dozens of goalkeepers itching to play some games, we have a good defence so I wouldn't be suprised if the guy who comes in on loan does well...
But are there dozens of keepers WF standards? And PDC standards who are available and wants to come in after a below par 150 minutes? After last seasons display from WF it would be the biggest move away from a STFC player!
[quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day there are dozens of goalkeepers itching to play some games, we have a good defence so I wouldn't be suprised if the guy who comes in on loan does well...[/p][/quote]But are there dozens of keepers WF standards? And PDC standards who are available and wants to come in after a below par 150 minutes? After last seasons display from WF it would be the biggest move away from a STFC player! UsernameSTFC
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6:56am Mon 3 Sep 12

3ampcb says...

You have to merit your place in the team, if you are not playing well the manager has every right to sub you. And is Wes really that good? He has had a very good defense in front of him and actually has not had a great deal to do.
You have to merit your place in the team, if you are not playing well the manager has every right to sub you. And is Wes really that good? He has had a very good defense in front of him and actually has not had a great deal to do. 3ampcb
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7:00am Mon 3 Sep 12

Rondogers says...

PDC is the best thing to happen to STFC since the Hoddle era. Yes he makes rash decisions but this is what makes him such a genius.

I'm not saying I agree with him all the time but he is the manager, and from what I have seen so far he hasn't done a bad job has he!
PDC is the best thing to happen to STFC since the Hoddle era. Yes he makes rash decisions but this is what makes him such a genius. I'm not saying I agree with him all the time but he is the manager, and from what I have seen so far he hasn't done a bad job has he! Rondogers
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7:01am Mon 3 Sep 12

jayden says...

Intresting morning coming up at the CG you could see something was up at stoke as pdc just stood watching wes warm up and wes hardly spoke during the warm up.
Intresting morning coming up at the CG you could see something was up at stoke as pdc just stood watching wes warm up and wes hardly spoke during the warm up. jayden
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7:01am Mon 3 Sep 12

robin_in_the_snow says...

To call Wes arrogant and ignorant and then embark on the most arrogant and ignorant rant I've ever heard from a manager is utterly despicable.

This has to stop. He has absolutely no right to treat any of his players like this.

I love Paulo because of his passion and determination, I was at Stoke last week and it was the best Swindon performance I've ever seen, and that's down to Paulo instilling the belief, fitness, ability and tactical knowledge in our lads.

But I refuse to accept you have to take this side of him too if you want that side of him. In no other job would such behaviour be tolerated and it's not good enough.

He's right, Wes wasn't at his best against Stoke and had a poor start yesterday, but he's a 20-yr old kid, he's going to have the odd off-colour patch, as I'm sure Cech did at his age.

He's been the best keeper we've had in years and Paulo is at risk of just throwing him away with this outrageous recklessness.

Paul Caddis was Birmingham's man of the match on Saturday. This cannot be allowed to go on. Wray needs to grow some balls and tell Paulo he won't stand for any more of this, and if he throws his toys out the pram then so be it.

As a fan who loves watching Wes play I hope he apologises for the sake of putting this to bed, but he should not be being put in this position by his manager.
To call Wes arrogant and ignorant and then embark on the most arrogant and ignorant rant I've ever heard from a manager is utterly despicable. This has to stop. He has absolutely no right to treat any of his players like this. I love Paulo because of his passion and determination, I was at Stoke last week and it was the best Swindon performance I've ever seen, and that's down to Paulo instilling the belief, fitness, ability and tactical knowledge in our lads. But I refuse to accept you have to take this side of him too if you want that side of him. In no other job would such behaviour be tolerated and it's not good enough. He's right, Wes wasn't at his best against Stoke and had a poor start yesterday, but he's a 20-yr old kid, he's going to have the odd off-colour patch, as I'm sure Cech did at his age. He's been the best keeper we've had in years and Paulo is at risk of just throwing him away with this outrageous recklessness. Paul Caddis was Birmingham's man of the match on Saturday. This cannot be allowed to go on. Wray needs to grow some balls and tell Paulo he won't stand for any more of this, and if he throws his toys out the pram then so be it. As a fan who loves watching Wes play I hope he apologises for the sake of putting this to bed, but he should not be being put in this position by his manager. robin_in_the_snow
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7:07am Mon 3 Sep 12

tractorski-red says...

I listened to the game and from what I heard the whole team should have been substituted, it was dire listening, was it because Matt Richie wasn't playing? I am sorry but what I am hearing from the supporters is interesting, one minute you are slating PDC for his decisions, then he wins the league, all of a sudden he is then a GOD, he is the one that makes the decisions, signs the players and the whole team know how he works and what he wants before they sign on the dotted line. No one is above the manager, if Wes is not playing well why should he not be replaced, is he getting complacent, I agree he has been wonderful for us but, he still needs to be reminded that it is a team game and whether he likes it or not PDC makes the decision, so he has to deal with it and be professional, not throw the toys out of the pram and act like a very spoilt kid. Get on board Wes and show that you are man enough to say sorry and that you were under par, kiss and make up with PDC and lets move on. The difference between the Stoke and Preston games were poles apart and they went to Preston thinking that it was going to be a breeze and win. How wrong you were boys.
I listened to the game and from what I heard the whole team should have been substituted, it was dire listening, was it because Matt Richie wasn't playing? I am sorry but what I am hearing from the supporters is interesting, one minute you are slating PDC for his decisions, then he wins the league, all of a sudden he is then a GOD, he is the one that makes the decisions, signs the players and the whole team know how he works and what he wants before they sign on the dotted line. No one is above the manager, if Wes is not playing well why should he not be replaced, is he getting complacent, I agree he has been wonderful for us but, he still needs to be reminded that it is a team game and whether he likes it or not PDC makes the decision, so he has to deal with it and be professional, not throw the toys out of the pram and act like a very spoilt kid. Get on board Wes and show that you are man enough to say sorry and that you were under par, kiss and make up with PDC and lets move on. The difference between the Stoke and Preston games were poles apart and they went to Preston thinking that it was going to be a breeze and win. How wrong you were boys. tractorski-red
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7:07am Mon 3 Sep 12

Exmouth_red69 says...

Here they all come out of the woodwork. some people just love a moan.

Muppets!
Here they all come out of the woodwork. some people just love a moan. Muppets! Exmouth_red69
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7:10am Mon 3 Sep 12

southside7 says...

We have a good defence yes, but not infallable and have had the honour of watching Wes make many world class saves over the past year. Grave, grave mistake......JW will have a limit, this must be close.
We have a good defence yes, but not infallable and have had the honour of watching Wes make many world class saves over the past year. Grave, grave mistake......JW will have a limit, this must be close. southside7
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7:18am Mon 3 Sep 12

STFC MARLOW says...

I didn't go to Stoke or PNE so can't comment on Wes's performance.

We are all human, and we make mistakes. The sign of a good one is to learn and move on.

We'd was outstanding last season, and you don't get rubbish over night. I think there is more to this story? Maybe Wes has been acting like a champagne Charlie at training, or in his free time.

Please make up. Loosing Caddis was bad enough, but please not Wes too!!
I didn't go to Stoke or PNE so can't comment on Wes's performance. We are all human, and we make mistakes. The sign of a good one is to learn and move on. We'd was outstanding last season, and you don't get rubbish over night. I think there is more to this story? Maybe Wes has been acting like a champagne Charlie at training, or in his free time. Please make up. Loosing Caddis was bad enough, but please not Wes too!! STFC MARLOW
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7:21am Mon 3 Sep 12

stokes_stfc says...

southside7 wrote:
We have a good defence yes, but not infallable and have had the honour of watching Wes make many world class saves over the past year. Grave, grave mistake......JW will have a limit, this must be close.
agree, wes has made outstanding saves for us on so many occassions, and we certainly wouldn't have won the league without him last year.

wes has had one bad game in a town shirt, and an incredible ratio of clean sheets. Wes should have joined his team mates on the bench, but what player wouldn't be angry about being brought off after 20 minutes - certainly not one with the attitude paolo wants in his players.

I don't think many town fans expect an apology from wes for how he acted - the only reason i want him to apologise is so he's playing next week. i hope wray does do something about this man management, as all of our players are going to have the occassional bad day at the office, and to exile them after this will quickly undo all the good work that has been done.
[quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: We have a good defence yes, but not infallable and have had the honour of watching Wes make many world class saves over the past year. Grave, grave mistake......JW will have a limit, this must be close.[/p][/quote]agree, wes has made outstanding saves for us on so many occassions, and we certainly wouldn't have won the league without him last year. wes has had one bad game in a town shirt, and an incredible ratio of clean sheets. Wes should have joined his team mates on the bench, but what player wouldn't be angry about being brought off after 20 minutes - certainly not one with the attitude paolo wants in his players. I don't think many town fans expect an apology from wes for how he acted - the only reason i want him to apologise is so he's playing next week. i hope wray does do something about this man management, as all of our players are going to have the occassional bad day at the office, and to exile them after this will quickly undo all the good work that has been done. stokes_stfc
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7:22am Mon 3 Sep 12

Tetburytel says...

Power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely- good luck sorting this out mr Wray!
Power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely- good luck sorting this out mr Wray! Tetburytel
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7:22am Mon 3 Sep 12

BillyLucas4me says...

Oh dear, I thought things were going too well. Team first please boys Sort it or this could be the beginning of the end of the best chance we have ever had to get back to the top.
Oh dear, I thought things were going too well. Team first please boys Sort it or this could be the beginning of the end of the best chance we have ever had to get back to the top. BillyLucas4me
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7:28am Mon 3 Sep 12

marlborough red says...

tractorski-red wrote:
I listened to the game and from what I heard the whole team should have been substituted, it was dire listening, was it because Matt Richie wasn't playing? I am sorry but what I am hearing from the supporters is interesting, one minute you are slating PDC for his decisions, then he wins the league, all of a sudden he is then a GOD, he is the one that makes the decisions, signs the players and the whole team know how he works and what he wants before they sign on the dotted line. No one is above the manager, if Wes is not playing well why should he not be replaced, is he getting complacent, I agree he has been wonderful for us but, he still needs to be reminded that it is a team game and whether he likes it or not PDC makes the decision, so he has to deal with it and be professional, not throw the toys out of the pram and act like a very spoilt kid. Get on board Wes and show that you are man enough to say sorry and that you were under par, kiss and make up with PDC and lets move on. The difference between the Stoke and Preston games were poles apart and they went to Preston thinking that it was going to be a breeze and win. How wrong you were boys.
I agree with you there mate!!!! People know what the boss is like wes really should have been more professional rather than kick over bottles in front of thousands, he made a pratt of himself, anyone can be subbed off thats football!!!! I cant believe the fans are saying paulo showed him up by subbing him off!!!!!!!!! listen to yourselves. Wes does need to say sorry for acting like he did, then move on. and for the result ITS ONLY ONE GAME!!!! paulo was right they were on another planet but we will come back, we lost 5 on the bounce last year and won the league!!!!
[quote][p][bold]tractorski-red[/bold] wrote: I listened to the game and from what I heard the whole team should have been substituted, it was dire listening, was it because Matt Richie wasn't playing? I am sorry but what I am hearing from the supporters is interesting, one minute you are slating PDC for his decisions, then he wins the league, all of a sudden he is then a GOD, he is the one that makes the decisions, signs the players and the whole team know how he works and what he wants before they sign on the dotted line. No one is above the manager, if Wes is not playing well why should he not be replaced, is he getting complacent, I agree he has been wonderful for us but, he still needs to be reminded that it is a team game and whether he likes it or not PDC makes the decision, so he has to deal with it and be professional, not throw the toys out of the pram and act like a very spoilt kid. Get on board Wes and show that you are man enough to say sorry and that you were under par, kiss and make up with PDC and lets move on. The difference between the Stoke and Preston games were poles apart and they went to Preston thinking that it was going to be a breeze and win. How wrong you were boys.[/p][/quote]I agree with you there mate!!!! People know what the boss is like wes really should have been more professional rather than kick over bottles in front of thousands, he made a pratt of himself, anyone can be subbed off thats football!!!! I cant believe the fans are saying paulo showed him up by subbing him off!!!!!!!!! listen to yourselves. Wes does need to say sorry for acting like he did, then move on. and for the result ITS ONLY ONE GAME!!!! paulo was right they were on another planet but we will come back, we lost 5 on the bounce last year and won the league!!!! marlborough red
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7:30am Mon 3 Sep 12

mallorca says...

exmouthre,give it a rest wake up and smell the coffee.
This falling out with players has got to be sorted out ASAP.
Fods had a bad game ok so did others,
Something has to give as at the end of the day it's Swindon Town FC Not Pdc Fc
Slag me off as you normally do I 'm not fussed.
At Swindon I have been so so lucky to see the club Managed by real Managers unfortunately bad ones.
Nobody doubts Pdc's passion and work rate and what he has achieved.
However sometimes he does come accross as arogant.a bully.
He is fortunate the chairman has given him 100% but this latest saga takes the biscuit.
Let's hope it is all sorted out and quick
exmouthre,give it a rest wake up and smell the coffee. This falling out with players has got to be sorted out ASAP. Fods had a bad game ok so did others, Something has to give as at the end of the day it's Swindon Town FC Not Pdc Fc Slag me off as you normally do I 'm not fussed. At Swindon I have been so so lucky to see the club Managed by real Managers unfortunately bad ones. Nobody doubts Pdc's passion and work rate and what he has achieved. However sometimes he does come accross as arogant.a bully. He is fortunate the chairman has given him 100% but this latest saga takes the biscuit. Let's hope it is all sorted out and quick mallorca
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7:33am Mon 3 Sep 12

U REDS says...

Too much talking from Di Canio. However Wes was bang out of order. You make the mistake and hold your hands up. You don't kick water bottles and storm down the tunnel because have been taken off. Grow up Wes. I agree with Di Canio but he should keep it in the dressing room. The manager is the number 1 not Wes.
Too much talking from Di Canio. However Wes was bang out of order. You make the mistake and hold your hands up. You don't kick water bottles and storm down the tunnel because have been taken off. Grow up Wes. I agree with Di Canio but he should keep it in the dressing room. The manager is the number 1 not Wes. U REDS
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7:35am Mon 3 Sep 12

swindon69 says...

Wes Foderingham let in on average 1 goal every half hour over the last two games...I'd have substituted him with those stats.
Wes Foderingham let in on average 1 goal every half hour over the last two games...I'd have substituted him with those stats. swindon69
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7:36am Mon 3 Sep 12

hg191a says...

I went to both games and have to admit wes did look a little shaky but what worries me more than that is our fans reactions moaning about paulo "that's why he ain't managing a bigger side" hes lost it " he subbed a player yea slightly strange but after all the good the man has Done I am not gonna start arguing with his decisions we won the league and are one of the favourites to win league 1 bad day at the office but to all u fans having a dig hope u morons are happy when we have a numpty in charge and paulo walks because he feels we don't support him in paulo we trust
I went to both games and have to admit wes did look a little shaky but what worries me more than that is our fans reactions moaning about paulo "that's why he ain't managing a bigger side" hes lost it " he subbed a player yea slightly strange but after all the good the man has Done I am not gonna start arguing with his decisions we won the league and are one of the favourites to win league 1 bad day at the office but to all u fans having a dig hope u morons are happy when we have a numpty in charge and paulo walks because he feels we don't support him in paulo we trust hg191a
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7:36am Mon 3 Sep 12

stigger says...

I said it before and will say it again, it is not good management to haul players off (especially a gk) in the first half, you wait till half time. Also interseting to see Alan Connell tweet how wes is hard working, humble and a great guy
I said it before and will say it again, it is not good management to haul players off (especially a gk) in the first half, you wait till half time. Also interseting to see Alan Connell tweet how wes is hard working, humble and a great guy stigger
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7:39am Mon 3 Sep 12

mancrobin says...

Wes being arrogant and ignorant. My word, DiCanio knows haw to do irony.

The guy is incoherent. He comes over to the fans at the end and indicates its his fault not the players then gets on the radio and, yet again, publicly castigated and scapegoats one of the players.

Signs of a cheap showman not a managerial legend. Time for a chat with Jeremy I reckon.
Wes being arrogant and ignorant. My word, DiCanio knows haw to do irony. The guy is incoherent. He comes over to the fans at the end and indicates its his fault not the players then gets on the radio and, yet again, publicly castigated and scapegoats one of the players. Signs of a cheap showman not a managerial legend. Time for a chat with Jeremy I reckon. mancrobin
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7:46am Mon 3 Sep 12

YateleyRed says...

U REDS wrote:
Too much talking from Di Canio. However Wes was bang out of order. You make the mistake and hold your hands up. You don't kick water bottles and storm down the tunnel because have been taken off. Grow up Wes. I agree with Di Canio but he should keep it in the dressing room. The manager is the number 1 not Wes.
I was not at the game so cannot comment on the detail or Wes' performance but watching Sky News, from what I saw it wasn't just the kicking the bottle, Wes turned and said/shouted something in the direction of the bench/Paolo and I dont think it was likely to be anything pleasant. Kicking a bottle in frustration is one thing but verbal abuse of your boss is another, doesn't matter what walk of life you would not get away with that without disciplinary action. Paolo is the boss, if he wants to sub you after 20+ minutes that is his right, by all means show your frustration but shouting something at your boss (especially one like Paolo) is a definate no no.
[quote][p][bold]U REDS[/bold] wrote: Too much talking from Di Canio. However Wes was bang out of order. You make the mistake and hold your hands up. You don't kick water bottles and storm down the tunnel because have been taken off. Grow up Wes. I agree with Di Canio but he should keep it in the dressing room. The manager is the number 1 not Wes.[/p][/quote]I was not at the game so cannot comment on the detail or Wes' performance but watching Sky News, from what I saw it wasn't just the kicking the bottle, Wes turned and said/shouted something in the direction of the bench/Paolo and I dont think it was likely to be anything pleasant. Kicking a bottle in frustration is one thing but verbal abuse of your boss is another, doesn't matter what walk of life you would not get away with that without disciplinary action. Paolo is the boss, if he wants to sub you after 20+ minutes that is his right, by all means show your frustration but shouting something at your boss (especially one like Paolo) is a definate no no. YateleyRed
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7:48am Mon 3 Sep 12

gaz2612 says...

Any player can be substituted if not doing well, but to take off a GK after a couple of mistakes is not good. There was obviously a problem before the game as PDC thought that Wes had not performed well at Stoke. Maybe he should have left him out of this game, but Wes is an excellent GK and has proved it in many games. Hopefully it will all be sorted and he continues the good form in goal. PDC has turned the club around and I have a great deal of respect for him, but he needs to control his temper and keep his thoughts about his players behind closed doors and not in an after match interview. It would not be good for STFC if Wes was shown the door over this. JW should now step in and sort it out and then we can move on and win the league!
Cannot understand why Simon Ferry did not start the game as his form has been excellent.
Any player can be substituted if not doing well, but to take off a GK after a couple of mistakes is not good. There was obviously a problem before the game as PDC thought that Wes had not performed well at Stoke. Maybe he should have left him out of this game, but Wes is an excellent GK and has proved it in many games. Hopefully it will all be sorted and he continues the good form in goal. PDC has turned the club around and I have a great deal of respect for him, but he needs to control his temper and keep his thoughts about his players behind closed doors and not in an after match interview. It would not be good for STFC if Wes was shown the door over this. JW should now step in and sort it out and then we can move on and win the league! Cannot understand why Simon Ferry did not start the game as his form has been excellent. gaz2612
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7:51am Mon 3 Sep 12

fatman says...

Heaven help us if this is going to happen time and time again . Reminds me of years ago ,Bert Head another great manager told the then Swindon Star player of the day David ( BRONCO ) Layne to put a pin in the goal nets at the Shrivenham Road training ground , to which Bronco replied ,I am a profressonal footballer not an f ------g groundsman , he never played for Swindon again ,another mistake . Good a manager as PDC is
he must stop throwing his dummy out of his pram . This was the wrong way for the Manager IMHO to deal with the situation and it needs to be sorted out today and for both manager and player to apologise to each other . It cannot be allowed to carry on into the Oxford clash or the pox will be the real winners . I am sure most fans would agree Wes owes the fans no apoligy ,
so come on PDC and Wes lets put it to bed kiss and make up for the good of our great club YOU REDS
Heaven help us if this is going to happen time and time again . Reminds me of years ago ,Bert Head another great manager told the then Swindon Star player of the day David ( BRONCO ) Layne to put a pin in the goal nets at the Shrivenham Road training ground , to which Bronco replied ,I am a profressonal footballer not an f ------g groundsman , he never played for Swindon again ,another mistake . Good a manager as PDC is he must stop throwing his dummy out of his pram . This was the wrong way for the Manager IMHO to deal with the situation and it needs to be sorted out today and for both manager and player to apologise to each other . It cannot be allowed to carry on into the Oxford clash or the pox will be the real winners . I am sure most fans would agree Wes owes the fans no apoligy , so come on PDC and Wes lets put it to bed kiss and make up for the good of our great club YOU REDS fatman
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7:54am Mon 3 Sep 12

the real Tosh man says...

You can't carry on like this every time you lose a game
You can't carry on like this every time you lose a game the real Tosh man
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8:00am Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

You cannot have players being forced to apologise for making a couple of mistakes. What happens the next time Williams, Collins or Benson misses a sitter in the first 10 minutes? Apologise or you're out? It's madness. Wray has got to grab this situation by the balls. Now. This morning. Some people are saying Foderingham is not bigger than the team. I have seen nothing to suggest that he thinks he is. I'm astonished that there are people prepared to see him sacrificed over a dip in form, when he has been such a marvellous asset in so many games.
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Most of believe that PDC is a very good coach and motivator. If he doesn't start learning to manage people better, it will all end in tears here - and his prospects of managing any club at a higher level will be severely restricted too.
You cannot have players being forced to apologise for making a couple of mistakes. What happens the next time Williams, Collins or Benson misses a sitter in the first 10 minutes? Apologise or you're out? It's madness. Wray has got to grab this situation by the balls. Now. This morning. Some people are saying Foderingham is not bigger than the team. I have seen nothing to suggest that he thinks he is. I'm astonished that there are people prepared to see him sacrificed over a dip in form, when he has been such a marvellous asset in so many games. . Most of believe that PDC is a very good coach and motivator. If he doesn't start learning to manage people better, it will all end in tears here - and his prospects of managing any club at a higher level will be severely restricted too. Oi Den!
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8:06am Mon 3 Sep 12

goode1970 says...

imho pdc is the best thing to happen to stfc in a long time. every thing he has done for this club has been a major step forward. if he believes any player is not pulling his weight, they deserve what pdc gives them. if they're showing, willing like the rest of the squad then pdc would have nothing to complain about.
so take note pdc is the man to sort this club out for the future. coyr
imho pdc is the best thing to happen to stfc in a long time. every thing he has done for this club has been a major step forward. if he believes any player is not pulling his weight, they deserve what pdc gives them. if they're showing, willing like the rest of the squad then pdc would have nothing to complain about. so take note pdc is the man to sort this club out for the future. coyr goode1970
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8:08am Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

"Most of us..."
"Most of us..." Oi Den!
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8:11am Mon 3 Sep 12

Simples! says...

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Here they all come out of the woodwork. some people just love a moan.

Muppets!
Tosser
[quote][p][bold]Exmouth_red69[/bold] wrote: Here they all come out of the woodwork. some people just love a moan. Muppets![/p][/quote]Tosser Simples!
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8:12am Mon 3 Sep 12

penworthamwhite says...

Morning all, as a PNE fan at yesterdays game I have to say that despite the result I genuinely believe you are a decent side. Yes it was a bad day at the office, but I saw things in your team that in my opinion will mean you are there or there abouts come May. Your keepers reaction was bad fuelled by the derisory jeers from us! However his reaction seemed to effect the side who looked like they may get back into early second half. We are have had similar ups and downs re players and GW recently BUT yesterday proved to us there can be only one boss love him or loathe his rant yesterday PDC is a good manager. One of your other players flipped us the bird too after getting grief over a bad cross (blond lad on the left?) Ultimatley it shows they care I guess, for what it's worth we expect a very tough game in the return at your place.
Morning all, as a PNE fan at yesterdays game I have to say that despite the result I genuinely believe you are a decent side. Yes it was a bad day at the office, but I saw things in your team that in my opinion will mean you are there or there abouts come May. Your keepers reaction was bad fuelled by the derisory jeers from us! However his reaction seemed to effect the side who looked like they may get back into early second half. We are have had similar ups and downs re players and GW recently BUT yesterday proved to us there can be only one boss love him or loathe his rant yesterday PDC is a good manager. One of your other players flipped us the bird too after getting grief over a bad cross (blond lad on the left?) Ultimatley it shows they care I guess, for what it's worth we expect a very tough game in the return at your place. penworthamwhite
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8:15am Mon 3 Sep 12

EastleazeRed says...

Calamity James heading to the county ground , you heard it here first !
Calamity James heading to the county ground , you heard it here first ! EastleazeRed
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8:18am Mon 3 Sep 12

hg191a says...

No not James please I will lose 3 stone get fit and play myself please
No not James please I will lose 3 stone get fit and play myself please hg191a
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8:26am Mon 3 Sep 12

Doctor Bamber says...

lets look on the brightside.........n
o one would have predicted the result, or the first substitution, so at least the prediction league remains "as was"....
lets look on the brightside.........n o one would have predicted the result, or the first substitution, so at least the prediction league remains "as was".... Doctor Bamber
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8:30am Mon 3 Sep 12

Chish and Fips says...

The one common theme of all this - is the people who actually went to the match all agree it was the right decision and totally back PDC with what he has done then and after.

I think there is a case of Wes getting a little above his station and as we have treated him like some 'star player' it has effected his game and personality.
Perhaps IMO not the best way to deal with this - but then PDC believes it is, and I hope for all concerned it works out.
The one common theme of all this - is the people who actually went to the match all agree it was the right decision and totally back PDC with what he has done then and after. I think there is a case of Wes getting a little above his station and as we have treated him like some 'star player' it has effected his game and personality. Perhaps IMO not the best way to deal with this - but then PDC believes it is, and I hope for all concerned it works out. Chish and Fips
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8:30am Mon 3 Sep 12

Since 1950 says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
Calamity James heading to the county ground , you heard it here first !
No, reported to be coming here pre-season. I wondered why we want him at the time.
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Calamity James heading to the county ground , you heard it here first ![/p][/quote]No, reported to be coming here pre-season. I wondered why we want him at the time. Since 1950
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8:33am Mon 3 Sep 12

sadgit says...

For what its worth the 1st thing PDC did in his post match interview was to accept responsibility for the defeat.
He pointed out that after both of the brilliant cup wins we have put out dire league performances the following weekend. He said that he should have made many changes to keep the team fresh and regreted not doing so.
It is not normally a good idea to change a winning team but it does seem that our lads are unable too keep focussed.
I really rate Wes but he still has a long way to go to be brilliant as his ability to deal with high crosses is very suspect.
I'm with Paolo.
COYR
For what its worth the 1st thing PDC did in his post match interview was to accept responsibility for the defeat. He pointed out that after both of the brilliant cup wins we have put out dire league performances the following weekend. He said that he should have made many changes to keep the team fresh and regreted not doing so. It is not normally a good idea to change a winning team but it does seem that our lads are unable too keep focussed. I really rate Wes but he still has a long way to go to be brilliant as his ability to deal with high crosses is very suspect. I'm with Paolo. COYR sadgit
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8:39am Mon 3 Sep 12

d215_aquitania says...

Why should Wes have to apologise other than the error with the first goal, which should not have happened, De Vera passed back from the halfway line, Aiden Flint missed the chance to clear after recieving the ball from Wes and them McCormak put Wes under pressure with the pass back. Three players who had the opportunity to clear the ball. The defence yesterday were poor throughout, the midfield had no flair and the front two recieved little of the ball. Add to this a Preston side who had done their homework and gave us no time on the ball. We did no compete with Preston and were muscled out of the game with all the goals leaving questions being asked of our defence. As for Paulo great passion but poor man manager. In his playing days fantastic during his manager ship at STFC you cannot argue about his passion but you cannot fall out with players and just dump them. E.G. Timlin & Caddis. We cannot afford to lose Wes to this kind of childish outburst and I see no reason why he needs to apologise to the fans. Surely he was just showing an equal amount of passion alignged with frustartion at being subbed? Time for the board to get involved and sort things out or we could end up with lesser players who will not move us forward.

Forget about Preston, concentrate on the next game and go out and win that.
Why should Wes have to apologise other than the error with the first goal, which should not have happened, De Vera passed back from the halfway line, Aiden Flint missed the chance to clear after recieving the ball from Wes and them McCormak put Wes under pressure with the pass back. Three players who had the opportunity to clear the ball. The defence yesterday were poor throughout, the midfield had no flair and the front two recieved little of the ball. Add to this a Preston side who had done their homework and gave us no time on the ball. We did no compete with Preston and were muscled out of the game with all the goals leaving questions being asked of our defence. As for Paulo great passion but poor man manager. In his playing days fantastic during his manager ship at STFC you cannot argue about his passion but you cannot fall out with players and just dump them. E.G. Timlin & Caddis. We cannot afford to lose Wes to this kind of childish outburst and I see no reason why he needs to apologise to the fans. Surely he was just showing an equal amount of passion alignged with frustartion at being subbed? Time for the board to get involved and sort things out or we could end up with lesser players who will not move us forward. Forget about Preston, concentrate on the next game and go out and win that. d215_aquitania
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8:39am Mon 3 Sep 12

avo says...

Wes had a bad 20 minutes yesterday and got subbed off. If an outfield player performed so poorly, Di Canio would of hauled him off too, as per his belief and style of management.
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Why should the treatment be any different for a goalkeeper? Goalkeeper's have no right to immunity do they?
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Wes's reaction was bad, in public, and only served to get the home crowd even more worked up and into it.
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Some people are berating Di Canio for the same thing that they are excusing Foderingham for. A consistent viewpoint please.
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Di Canio is not whiter than white in this and his media outburst was over the top and in itself lacks the professionalism he tries to install in the players. Passion overtaking professionalism. Both Guilty as charged.
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As to what has been going on behind the scenes to make Di Canio feel like this about Wes is anyone's guess, mine included.
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Both will have had time to reflect on this, the next 24-48 hours will tell us more about where this issue is headed, or if indeed there will be no issue, let's wait and see.
Wes had a bad 20 minutes yesterday and got subbed off. If an outfield player performed so poorly, Di Canio would of hauled him off too, as per his belief and style of management. . Why should the treatment be any different for a goalkeeper? Goalkeeper's have no right to immunity do they? . Wes's reaction was bad, in public, and only served to get the home crowd even more worked up and into it. . Some people are berating Di Canio for the same thing that they are excusing Foderingham for. A consistent viewpoint please. . Di Canio is not whiter than white in this and his media outburst was over the top and in itself lacks the professionalism he tries to install in the players. Passion overtaking professionalism. Both Guilty as charged. . As to what has been going on behind the scenes to make Di Canio feel like this about Wes is anyone's guess, mine included. . Both will have had time to reflect on this, the next 24-48 hours will tell us more about where this issue is headed, or if indeed there will be no issue, let's wait and see. avo
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8:42am Mon 3 Sep 12

avo says...

sadgit wrote:
For what its worth the 1st thing PDC did in his post match interview was to accept responsibility for the defeat. He pointed out that after both of the brilliant cup wins we have put out dire league performances the following weekend. He said that he should have made many changes to keep the team fresh and regreted not doing so. It is not normally a good idea to change a winning team but it does seem that our lads are unable too keep focussed. I really rate Wes but he still has a long way to go to be brilliant as his ability to deal with high crosses is very suspect. I'm with Paolo. COYR
Very good point about his ability on crosses - one nagging feeling I've had this season is that he seems more intent to come for anything in the box, perhaps in an attempt to be more involved? yet he looks far from competent in both his decision making and his actual dealing of said crosses at the moment, to the point where I'd secretly thought 'oh no, not the smith/brezovan era all over again'
[quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: For what its worth the 1st thing PDC did in his post match interview was to accept responsibility for the defeat. He pointed out that after both of the brilliant cup wins we have put out dire league performances the following weekend. He said that he should have made many changes to keep the team fresh and regreted not doing so. It is not normally a good idea to change a winning team but it does seem that our lads are unable too keep focussed. I really rate Wes but he still has a long way to go to be brilliant as his ability to deal with high crosses is very suspect. I'm with Paolo. COYR[/p][/quote]Very good point about his ability on crosses - one nagging feeling I've had this season is that he seems more intent to come for anything in the box, perhaps in an attempt to be more involved? yet he looks far from competent in both his decision making and his actual dealing of said crosses at the moment, to the point where I'd secretly thought 'oh no, not the smith/brezovan era all over again' avo
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8:45am Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

IMHO this is very harsh from PDC all round,What would PDC do in the same situation when he was playing?
This is not changing my mind on PDC who i think is still the best thing since sliced bread here,just saying how i see it on this situation.
To me there is a vast difference between constructive criticism and vilifying someone,i did not like it when Andy King did it with Jerel Iffel and do not like it now.
What i will say however is that yesterday's error from Wes has been on the cards for awhile now,was only saying last week against MK Dons that he is going to get caught one day and also on here i have questioned his struggle to catch crosses which i think is stll a problem,but clearly his positives far outweigh the negatives and would like him to stay as he is a quality goalkeeper.
Lets hope it all get sorted but i really can not see Wes apologising.
IMHO this is very harsh from PDC all round,What would PDC do in the same situation when he was playing? This is not changing my mind on PDC who i think is still the best thing since sliced bread here,just saying how i see it on this situation. To me there is a vast difference between constructive criticism and vilifying someone,i did not like it when Andy King did it with Jerel Iffel and do not like it now. What i will say however is that yesterday's error from Wes has been on the cards for awhile now,was only saying last week against MK Dons that he is going to get caught one day and also on here i have questioned his struggle to catch crosses which i think is stll a problem,but clearly his positives far outweigh the negatives and would like him to stay as he is a quality goalkeeper. Lets hope it all get sorted but i really can not see Wes apologising. swwindon61uk
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8:48am Mon 3 Sep 12

harley red says...

I think wes is overrated ,the DEFENCE does very well to keep out most teams and to be honest he really has very little to do.i think another goal keeper would love to be in our goal with the defence we have.he was bad at Stoke 2 goals was his fault . I'm with PDC all the way.if PDC stays then we stand a very good chance to go up.without him we will be mid table .The players know his expectations before they sign,so if they don't like it don't sign. Onwards and upwards.
I think wes is overrated ,the DEFENCE does very well to keep out most teams and to be honest he really has very little to do.i think another goal keeper would love to be in our goal with the defence we have.he was bad at Stoke 2 goals was his fault . I'm with PDC all the way.if PDC stays then we stand a very good chance to go up.without him we will be mid table .The players know his expectations before they sign,so if they don't like it don't sign. Onwards and upwards. harley red
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8:49am Mon 3 Sep 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Avo top post. Neither Paolo nor Wes come out of this particularly well but in his mad way I still see it as Paolo losing a battle and winning the war. Take Wes off, let him no he's not droppable and he'll come back strong.

That assumes he does obviously but it's a gut feel I have. I like Paolo talking to the press it's what makes most people get behind him. He does need to think whether he should talk to the press all the time though. Losing it in his interview doesn't help his cause.

He wasn't happyat drink gate and I'm happy for him to put that in the public domain. Similarly Caddis if you don't train let it be known. Again if he had come out and calmly said he thought Wes was above himself and had had a 'mare then fair enough. Swearing and saying he needs to apologise is not helping because all its done is build hysteria around it.

I'm not missing Caddis, the players must train and dedicate themselves as Paolo wants. I don't expect Wes to play against Oxford but despite everything I'll be very surprised if he's not back for the next league game.

By the way you can get 7-1 on us winning the league. 1 result and out we go with some bookies!
Avo top post. Neither Paolo nor Wes come out of this particularly well but in his mad way I still see it as Paolo losing a battle and winning the war. Take Wes off, let him no he's not droppable and he'll come back strong. That assumes he does obviously but it's a gut feel I have. I like Paolo talking to the press it's what makes most people get behind him. He does need to think whether he should talk to the press all the time though. Losing it in his interview doesn't help his cause. He wasn't happyat drink gate and I'm happy for him to put that in the public domain. Similarly Caddis if you don't train let it be known. Again if he had come out and calmly said he thought Wes was above himself and had had a 'mare then fair enough. Swearing and saying he needs to apologise is not helping because all its done is build hysteria around it. I'm not missing Caddis, the players must train and dedicate themselves as Paolo wants. I don't expect Wes to play against Oxford but despite everything I'll be very surprised if he's not back for the next league game. By the way you can get 7-1 on us winning the league. 1 result and out we go with some bookies! dreamofacleansheet2
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8:50am Mon 3 Sep 12

Summerof69 says...

Doctor Bamber wrote:
lets look on the brightside.........n o one would have predicted the result, or the first substitution, so at least the prediction league remains "as was"....
Well .... at least we'll know straight away if PDC has entered a team :o)
[quote][p][bold]Doctor Bamber[/bold] wrote: lets look on the brightside.........n o one would have predicted the result, or the first substitution, so at least the prediction league remains "as was"....[/p][/quote]Well .... at least we'll know straight away if PDC has entered a team :o) Summerof69
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8:50am Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

avo wrote:
sadgit wrote:
For what its worth the 1st thing PDC did in his post match interview was to accept responsibility for the defeat. He pointed out that after both of the brilliant cup wins we have put out dire league performances the following weekend. He said that he should have made many changes to keep the team fresh and regreted not doing so. It is not normally a good idea to change a winning team but it does seem that our lads are unable too keep focussed. I really rate Wes but he still has a long way to go to be brilliant as his ability to deal with high crosses is very suspect. I'm with Paolo. COYR
Very good point about his ability on crosses - one nagging feeling I've had this season is that he seems more intent to come for anything in the box, perhaps in an attempt to be more involved? yet he looks far from competent in both his decision making and his actual dealing of said crosses at the moment, to the point where I'd secretly thought 'oh no, not the smith/brezovan era all over again'
Did not see this or the above posts before i posted,but it does seem like several of us have noticed the quailty of cross catching.
I will differ with you however about Smith on this,who i thought was good on catching and in fact a very good goalkeeper but was prone to make a massive error on occasion which a lot of people focused on.
Wish he was here right now as IMHO he would have been a great push for Wes and we would have a very good 1-2 at this level.
[quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: For what its worth the 1st thing PDC did in his post match interview was to accept responsibility for the defeat. He pointed out that after both of the brilliant cup wins we have put out dire league performances the following weekend. He said that he should have made many changes to keep the team fresh and regreted not doing so. It is not normally a good idea to change a winning team but it does seem that our lads are unable too keep focussed. I really rate Wes but he still has a long way to go to be brilliant as his ability to deal with high crosses is very suspect. I'm with Paolo. COYR[/p][/quote]Very good point about his ability on crosses - one nagging feeling I've had this season is that he seems more intent to come for anything in the box, perhaps in an attempt to be more involved? yet he looks far from competent in both his decision making and his actual dealing of said crosses at the moment, to the point where I'd secretly thought 'oh no, not the smith/brezovan era all over again'[/p][/quote]Did not see this or the above posts before i posted,but it does seem like several of us have noticed the quailty of cross catching. I will differ with you however about Smith on this,who i thought was good on catching and in fact a very good goalkeeper but was prone to make a massive error on occasion which a lot of people focused on. Wish he was here right now as IMHO he would have been a great push for Wes and we would have a very good 1-2 at this level. swwindon61uk
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8:50am Mon 3 Sep 12

Since 1950 says...

In the first instance Paolo is right. Wes was having a mare (no, I wasn't there either, but as reported by BBC Wilts via stfc player) so why shouldn't he be subbed for both his form and attitude? Maybe he shouldn't have started. You can judge for yourselves if the 'keepers reaction was 'professional'.
However, there is a worrying trend developing with Paolo's attitude to players who transgress his rules for one second or challenge him in any way. There is no second chance - Paolo's way or the highway. A la Caddis. He doesn't seem to be capable of taking players aside and sorting problems out. At least we haven't seen any evidence of it. Paolo's solution is 'get out of the club'. I agree with those who say this can't be allowed to continue. I am sure that Mr Wray, though a quite and reasonable man in his comments to the media, will have had enough and will have a chat. He should also tell him that while fans like his open and honest post match interviews, he should resist giving his players a public b********g.
Lou had the same sort of problem when he left us for West Ham. He ruled with a rod of iron here. He tried the same at Hammers and got kicked out, basically by the players in the end who revolted against his managerial style. That is why Paolo wont be going far from Swindon any time soon.
Love him or hate him (and I'm still a fan of his) there is never a dull moment!

COYR!
In the first instance Paolo is right. Wes was having a mare (no, I wasn't there either, but as reported by BBC Wilts via stfc player) so why shouldn't he be subbed for both his form and attitude? Maybe he shouldn't have started. You can judge for yourselves if the 'keepers reaction was 'professional'. However, there is a worrying trend developing with Paolo's attitude to players who transgress his rules for one second or challenge him in any way. There is no second chance - Paolo's way or the highway. A la Caddis. He doesn't seem to be capable of taking players aside and sorting problems out. At least we haven't seen any evidence of it. Paolo's solution is 'get out of the club'. I agree with those who say this can't be allowed to continue. I am sure that Mr Wray, though a quite and reasonable man in his comments to the media, will have had enough and will have a chat. He should also tell him that while fans like his open and honest post match interviews, he should resist giving his players a public b********g. Lou had the same sort of problem when he left us for West Ham. He ruled with a rod of iron here. He tried the same at Hammers and got kicked out, basically by the players in the end who revolted against his managerial style. That is why Paolo wont be going far from Swindon any time soon. Love him or hate him (and I'm still a fan of his) there is never a dull moment! COYR! Since 1950
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8:51am Mon 3 Sep 12

betty_swollox says...

Got to back Di Canio on this matter, just because it's the keeper why should he be treated any differently? Nobody knows what goes on behind the scene just because you follow Wes on Twitter doesn't mean you know him. So many fans boost his ego with talk of 'the best keeper outside the Prem'. I personally can't name 10 starting keepers in the Championship so I'm amazed that everyone seems to watch 72 football league clubs first choice keepers week in week out to make this bold assessment? There probably is a reason why he 3rd choice at Palace though?

Wes is a very athletic and good keeper (I'm not saying he's not the best we've had for some time) but he's got loads to learn and improve mainly-
He doesn't command his area or even his 6 yard box. So often the centre backs are screaming at him and the other way round as it should be.
And his kicking has got better this season but it's still not great, especially when played back to him.

Also in all those games where he kept clean sheets, how many games did he actually get MoM? I can only think of Cheltenham at home. People are starting to believe we wouldn't of got promoted without him, which is a complete joke.

As Paolo says he wouldn't be anywhere is he hadn't took a chance on him. I'm hoping this can all get sorted and we can move on with Wes, but if it goes the same way as the Caddis situation, I'll still be backing the manager. After all I wouldn't get rid of him over any player!
Got to back Di Canio on this matter, just because it's the keeper why should he be treated any differently? Nobody knows what goes on behind the scene just because you follow Wes on Twitter doesn't mean you know him. So many fans boost his ego with talk of 'the best keeper outside the Prem'. I personally can't name 10 starting keepers in the Championship so I'm amazed that everyone seems to watch 72 football league clubs first choice keepers week in week out to make this bold assessment? There probably is a reason why he 3rd choice at Palace though? Wes is a very athletic and good keeper (I'm not saying he's not the best we've had for some time) but he's got loads to learn and improve mainly- He doesn't command his area or even his 6 yard box. So often the centre backs are screaming at him and the other way round as it should be. And his kicking has got better this season but it's still not great, especially when played back to him. Also in all those games where he kept clean sheets, how many games did he actually get MoM? I can only think of Cheltenham at home. People are starting to believe we wouldn't of got promoted without him, which is a complete joke. As Paolo says he wouldn't be anywhere is he hadn't took a chance on him. I'm hoping this can all get sorted and we can move on with Wes, but if it goes the same way as the Caddis situation, I'll still be backing the manager. After all I wouldn't get rid of him over any player! betty_swollox
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8:55am Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

What i would have done if i was PDC if he was unhappy with Wes is drop him for the next game.
I also have to say that i think agree with all those that say about he is just another player and can not be immune from being substituted,but i also have to say i do not agree with subbing a player after just 20 minutes.
What i would have done if i was PDC if he was unhappy with Wes is drop him for the next game. I also have to say that i think agree with all those that say about he is just another player and can not be immune from being substituted,but i also have to say i do not agree with subbing a player after just 20 minutes. swwindon61uk
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8:55am Mon 3 Sep 12

Coleview Red says...

I think this proves that PDC is a mighty fine football coach but he is not a (people) manager. I doubt any of us would be happy to hear our boss slate us in public. Then to ask for an open apology is probably a step to far, if I were in Wes's shoes I would not do it.
I think this proves that PDC is a mighty fine football coach but he is not a (people) manager. I doubt any of us would be happy to hear our boss slate us in public. Then to ask for an open apology is probably a step to far, if I were in Wes's shoes I would not do it. Coleview Red
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8:57am Mon 3 Sep 12

old town robin says...

penworthamwhite wrote:
Morning all, as a PNE fan at yesterdays game I have to say that despite the result I genuinely believe you are a decent side. Yes it was a bad day at the office, but I saw things in your team that in my opinion will mean you are there or there abouts come May. Your keepers reaction was bad fuelled by the derisory jeers from us! However his reaction seemed to effect the side who looked like they may get back into early second half. We are have had similar ups and downs re players and GW recently BUT yesterday proved to us there can be only one boss love him or loathe his rant yesterday PDC is a good manager. One of your other players flipped us the bird too after getting grief over a bad cross (blond lad on the left?) Ultimatley it shows they care I guess, for what it's worth we expect a very tough game in the return at your place.
Thanks for taking the time to come on our site with a decent post. I wasn't there, but by all accounts we were well beaten by the better side on the day. In truth in the league at least we have not performed well away from home for a while, losing 3 and drawing 2 of our last 5 on the road, is not exactly the form one would expect from a team that generally performs very well at home.

Looking forward to the return, when you hopefully will see the real Swindon play.
[quote][p][bold]penworthamwhite[/bold] wrote: Morning all, as a PNE fan at yesterdays game I have to say that despite the result I genuinely believe you are a decent side. Yes it was a bad day at the office, but I saw things in your team that in my opinion will mean you are there or there abouts come May. Your keepers reaction was bad fuelled by the derisory jeers from us! However his reaction seemed to effect the side who looked like they may get back into early second half. We are have had similar ups and downs re players and GW recently BUT yesterday proved to us there can be only one boss love him or loathe his rant yesterday PDC is a good manager. One of your other players flipped us the bird too after getting grief over a bad cross (blond lad on the left?) Ultimatley it shows they care I guess, for what it's worth we expect a very tough game in the return at your place.[/p][/quote]Thanks for taking the time to come on our site with a decent post. I wasn't there, but by all accounts we were well beaten by the better side on the day. In truth in the league at least we have not performed well away from home for a while, losing 3 and drawing 2 of our last 5 on the road, is not exactly the form one would expect from a team that generally performs very well at home. Looking forward to the return, when you hopefully will see the real Swindon play. old town robin
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9:00am Mon 3 Sep 12

TheTownEnd says...

Get real people - if you want success at STFC, PDC is the man who is delivering it, would you prefer PH or DW back here saying nothing and doing nothing just along for the ride - to be fair Wes has not looked at his best in every game this season including Brighton at home - he is possibly flattered by a well organised defensive unit that was found lacking on Sunday prolly due to the 120 minutes of last Tueday - PDC himself said it was prolly the number of games in a row that they cant cope with - and no player can react to being subbed like that and expect to get away with it, otherwise we have a team full of spoilt brats - Wes is overlooked cos he is only 181 cm - at that height it will be difficult for him to be first choice if we were challenging in a higher league ! There is more to this than meets the eye, he believes he is untouchable and needs to be taught that he is not, if he goes, he goes, we get another GK and with our defence in top form it wont be a problem - I am supporting PDC fully on this and prefer him to give his opinion sincerely and openly to us via the press - his man management is working, we are successful working this way, back him or we'll lose him and return to the mediocrity of the past !
Get real people - if you want success at STFC, PDC is the man who is delivering it, would you prefer PH or DW back here saying nothing and doing nothing just along for the ride - to be fair Wes has not looked at his best in every game this season including Brighton at home - he is possibly flattered by a well organised defensive unit that was found lacking on Sunday prolly due to the 120 minutes of last Tueday - PDC himself said it was prolly the number of games in a row that they cant cope with - and no player can react to being subbed like that and expect to get away with it, otherwise we have a team full of spoilt brats - Wes is overlooked cos he is only 181 cm - at that height it will be difficult for him to be first choice if we were challenging in a higher league ! There is more to this than meets the eye, he believes he is untouchable and needs to be taught that he is not, if he goes, he goes, we get another GK and with our defence in top form it wont be a problem - I am supporting PDC fully on this and prefer him to give his opinion sincerely and openly to us via the press - his man management is working, we are successful working this way, back him or we'll lose him and return to the mediocrity of the past ! TheTownEnd
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9:02am Mon 3 Sep 12

DaniooolCOYR says...

PDC could not be more RIGHT if he tried. Wes has got too big for his gloves and PDC is trying to bring him back down to earth. Don't get me wrong, I think Wes is a fantastic talent but he is only 20, if he thinks he's made it already then he couldn't be more wrong.

To everyone who is banging on about his record - 20 odd clean sheets last season means nothing to this seasons campaign. You are only as good as your next game and if his attitude now is that he no longer needs to try or give 100% then bye bye - I don't want to see him in a town shirt again because that means he is no longer the GK we had last year. Wes - grow up and realise the lesson that is being taught to you!

The manager of any football team has the right to make a sub of anyone of his players if he feels they are under performing - end of.

The only reason it 'seems' as though PDC falls out with players is because he won't tolerate this kind of behaviour/performanc
e - Good!

I for one am happy that we have a manager that will not tolerate this kind of behaviour, the last time we had a manager that did, we finished bottom and got relegated.

No one and I mean no one is irreplaceable at League 1 level.
PDC could not be more RIGHT if he tried. Wes has got too big for his gloves and PDC is trying to bring him back down to earth. Don't get me wrong, I think Wes is a fantastic talent but he is only 20, if he thinks he's made it already then he couldn't be more wrong. To everyone who is banging on about his record - 20 odd clean sheets last season means nothing to this seasons campaign. You are only as good as your next game and if his attitude now is that he no longer needs to try or give 100% then bye bye - I don't want to see him in a town shirt again because that means he is no longer the GK we had last year. Wes - grow up and realise the lesson that is being taught to you! The manager of any football team has the right to make a sub of anyone of his players if he feels they are under performing - end of. The only reason it 'seems' as though PDC falls out with players is because he won't tolerate this kind of behaviour/performanc e - Good! I for one am happy that we have a manager that will not tolerate this kind of behaviour, the last time we had a manager that did, we finished bottom and got relegated. No one and I mean no one is irreplaceable at League 1 level. DaniooolCOYR
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9:03am Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

honestly some of you people have no idea. I cant believe some of the anger directed at paolo on here, just because hes substituted your favourite player. Wes is a young immature keeper, who could go on to become a very good keeper with the right attitude. Paolo has been quite clear that it was his reaction to his teams mates and not taking responsibility for his mistakes that infuriated him the most. He wasn't happy with the attitude and mk dons or stoke either... Stop crying because he's taken dear old wes and undestand that he is the manager and he picks the team, not the players, not the fans, he does!!!!
honestly some of you people have no idea. I cant believe some of the anger directed at paolo on here, just because hes substituted your favourite player. Wes is a young immature keeper, who could go on to become a very good keeper with the right attitude. Paolo has been quite clear that it was his reaction to his teams mates and not taking responsibility for his mistakes that infuriated him the most. He wasn't happy with the attitude and mk dons or stoke either... Stop crying because he's taken dear old wes and undestand that he is the manager and he picks the team, not the players, not the fans, he does!!!! jam1
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9:03am Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
The one common theme of all this - is the people who actually went to the match all agree it was the right decision and totally back PDC with what he has done then and after.

I think there is a case of Wes getting a little above his station and as we have treated him like some 'star player' it has effected his game and personality.
Perhaps IMO not the best way to deal with this - but then PDC believes it is, and I hope for all concerned it works out.
Chish, I don't think it can ever be right, except in the case of injury of course, to substitute a player in the first 20 minutes of a game - particularly a goalkeeper. Every player can have a bad start to a game. The least they deserve is the opportunity to redeem themsleves.
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Is there a goalkeeper in the land who has never made a ****-up in dealing with a ball that he's not allowed to pick up? It happens. One poster who was there yesterday said he thought Foderingham then tried to make amends by releasing the ball quickly in an effort to get attacks going quickly. If so, his second error has arisen out of a genuine desire to play his part for the team.
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If the lack of competition has made Foderingham become a little too comfortable in his position, whose fault is that? In some areas, we have more players than we need. In the goalkeeping position we do not have enough.
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This is no anti-PDC rant. He has been a real joy for our club. But it's time he stopped pointing the finger at his players in public and got on with the job of managing them discreetly and diplomatically.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: The one common theme of all this - is the people who actually went to the match all agree it was the right decision and totally back PDC with what he has done then and after. I think there is a case of Wes getting a little above his station and as we have treated him like some 'star player' it has effected his game and personality. Perhaps IMO not the best way to deal with this - but then PDC believes it is, and I hope for all concerned it works out.[/p][/quote]Chish, I don't think it can ever be right, except in the case of injury of course, to substitute a player in the first 20 minutes of a game - particularly a goalkeeper. Every player can have a bad start to a game. The least they deserve is the opportunity to redeem themsleves. . Is there a goalkeeper in the land who has never made a ****-up in dealing with a ball that he's not allowed to pick up? It happens. One poster who was there yesterday said he thought Foderingham then tried to make amends by releasing the ball quickly in an effort to get attacks going quickly. If so, his second error has arisen out of a genuine desire to play his part for the team. . If the lack of competition has made Foderingham become a little too comfortable in his position, whose fault is that? In some areas, we have more players than we need. In the goalkeeping position we do not have enough. . This is no anti-PDC rant. He has been a real joy for our club. But it's time he stopped pointing the finger at his players in public and got on with the job of managing them discreetly and diplomatically. Oi Den!
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9:04am Mon 3 Sep 12

avo says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
avo wrote:
sadgit wrote: For what its worth the 1st thing PDC did in his post match interview was to accept responsibility for the defeat. He pointed out that after both of the brilliant cup wins we have put out dire league performances the following weekend. He said that he should have made many changes to keep the team fresh and regreted not doing so. It is not normally a good idea to change a winning team but it does seem that our lads are unable too keep focussed. I really rate Wes but he still has a long way to go to be brilliant as his ability to deal with high crosses is very suspect. I'm with Paolo. COYR
Very good point about his ability on crosses - one nagging feeling I've had this season is that he seems more intent to come for anything in the box, perhaps in an attempt to be more involved? yet he looks far from competent in both his decision making and his actual dealing of said crosses at the moment, to the point where I'd secretly thought 'oh no, not the smith/brezovan era all over again'
Did not see this or the above posts before i posted,but it does seem like several of us have noticed the quailty of cross catching. I will differ with you however about Smith on this,who i thought was good on catching and in fact a very good goalkeeper but was prone to make a massive error on occasion which a lot of people focused on. Wish he was here right now as IMHO he would have been a great push for Wes and we would have a very good 1-2 at this level.
I agree and I think the point I was trying to make was that period when both Smith/Brez were all of a sudden encouraged to charge and punch! Often with disastrous consequences lol, something I've never been a fan of as the chances of a 100% clean connection and the ball travelling to an area of safety are very slim indeed.
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On the issue of the subbing, to other posters questioning the decision to sub in the 1st half, this is something Di Canio will always do if he feels it is right and given his success rate so far, it's hard to argue against that decision making. It might be against the norm, but it hasn't had a negative effect on the overall progress of STFC so far has it? Maybe other managers could learn from PDC in that respect when their own players are swanning around the pitch as if they're on a sunday afternoon stroll in the park!
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: For what its worth the 1st thing PDC did in his post match interview was to accept responsibility for the defeat. He pointed out that after both of the brilliant cup wins we have put out dire league performances the following weekend. He said that he should have made many changes to keep the team fresh and regreted not doing so. It is not normally a good idea to change a winning team but it does seem that our lads are unable too keep focussed. I really rate Wes but he still has a long way to go to be brilliant as his ability to deal with high crosses is very suspect. I'm with Paolo. COYR[/p][/quote]Very good point about his ability on crosses - one nagging feeling I've had this season is that he seems more intent to come for anything in the box, perhaps in an attempt to be more involved? yet he looks far from competent in both his decision making and his actual dealing of said crosses at the moment, to the point where I'd secretly thought 'oh no, not the smith/brezovan era all over again'[/p][/quote]Did not see this or the above posts before i posted,but it does seem like several of us have noticed the quailty of cross catching. I will differ with you however about Smith on this,who i thought was good on catching and in fact a very good goalkeeper but was prone to make a massive error on occasion which a lot of people focused on. Wish he was here right now as IMHO he would have been a great push for Wes and we would have a very good 1-2 at this level.[/p][/quote]I agree and I think the point I was trying to make was that period when both Smith/Brez were all of a sudden encouraged to charge and punch! Often with disastrous consequences lol, something I've never been a fan of as the chances of a 100% clean connection and the ball travelling to an area of safety are very slim indeed. . On the issue of the subbing, to other posters questioning the decision to sub in the 1st half, this is something Di Canio will always do if he feels it is right and given his success rate so far, it's hard to argue against that decision making. It might be against the norm, but it hasn't had a negative effect on the overall progress of STFC so far has it? Maybe other managers could learn from PDC in that respect when their own players are swanning around the pitch as if they're on a sunday afternoon stroll in the park! avo
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9:05am Mon 3 Sep 12

stfcknowitall says...

Right ask yourselves this...If Wes hadn't kicked off and threw his toys out the pram about being substituted would there be such a big uproar about this whole thing?

If Wes had looked slightly peed off about being taken off but took it on the chin and left the pitch normally would we all be talking about it now?

Yes taking a goalkeeper off for tactical reasons and not because of injury is unusual but its Paolos choice, I agree with Paolo if a player in any outfield position made several mistakes they would be taken off so why not a goalkeeper?

Wes is the culprit in this case, yes he was upset about being subbed but if he had left the pitch in a professional manner all us fans would be talking about is an unusual decision to sub a goalkeeper, not about wes leaving the club and Paolo having no man management skills.

The bottom line is, yes wes being subbed was slightly strange but wes should have accepted the fact he's been subbed after making some costly mistakes, just like any other player on the pitch would have to of done. Instead Wes has made a massive saga out of the whole thing and tried to make Paolo look bad.

IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
Right ask yourselves this...If Wes hadn't kicked off and threw his toys out the pram about being substituted would there be such a big uproar about this whole thing? If Wes had looked slightly peed off about being taken off but took it on the chin and left the pitch normally would we all be talking about it now? Yes taking a goalkeeper off for tactical reasons and not because of injury is unusual but its Paolos choice, I agree with Paolo if a player in any outfield position made several mistakes they would be taken off so why not a goalkeeper? Wes is the culprit in this case, yes he was upset about being subbed but if he had left the pitch in a professional manner all us fans would be talking about is an unusual decision to sub a goalkeeper, not about wes leaving the club and Paolo having no man management skills. The bottom line is, yes wes being subbed was slightly strange but wes should have accepted the fact he's been subbed after making some costly mistakes, just like any other player on the pitch would have to of done. Instead Wes has made a massive saga out of the whole thing and tried to make Paolo look bad. IN PAOLO I TRUST!! stfcknowitall
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9:08am Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

jam1 wrote:
honestly some of you people have no idea. I cant believe some of the anger directed at paolo on here, just because hes substituted your favourite player. Wes is a young immature keeper, who could go on to become a very good keeper with the right attitude. Paolo has been quite clear that it was his reaction to his teams mates and not taking responsibility for his mistakes that infuriated him the most. He wasn't happy with the attitude and mk dons or stoke either... Stop crying because he's taken dear old wes and undestand that he is the manager and he picks the team, not the players, not the fans, he does!!!!
Do not see much anger being thrown at PDC on here just constructive views.
We are all PDC fans but just because we are does not mean we look at everything he does through rose tinted glasses like some seem to.
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: honestly some of you people have no idea. I cant believe some of the anger directed at paolo on here, just because hes substituted your favourite player. Wes is a young immature keeper, who could go on to become a very good keeper with the right attitude. Paolo has been quite clear that it was his reaction to his teams mates and not taking responsibility for his mistakes that infuriated him the most. He wasn't happy with the attitude and mk dons or stoke either... Stop crying because he's taken dear old wes and undestand that he is the manager and he picks the team, not the players, not the fans, he does!!!![/p][/quote]Do not see much anger being thrown at PDC on here just constructive views. We are all PDC fans but just because we are does not mean we look at everything he does through rose tinted glasses like some seem to. swwindon61uk
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9:10am Mon 3 Sep 12

P*ssed Off says...

I suppose many on here would be delighted if PDC went, as he has threatened last season early into his tenure. Yes we would still have Wes but who would we have at the top? Put the toys back in the pram, hold hands, go for a walk and end up in the swingpark, have a swing and a slide, be happy and get back to the business in hand of making STFC great again!!
I suppose many on here would be delighted if PDC went, as he has threatened last season early into his tenure. Yes we would still have Wes but who would we have at the top? Put the toys back in the pram, hold hands, go for a walk and end up in the swingpark, have a swing and a slide, be happy and get back to the business in hand of making STFC great again!! P*ssed Off
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9:10am Mon 3 Sep 12

Rebel_phish says...

Doctor Bamber wrote:
lets look on the brightside.........n

o one would have predicted the result, or the first substitution, so at least the prediction league remains "as was"....
Good reality check there Bamber.

Seriously, at the moment there's only one winner - ALL the rest of our opposition.

Both were wrong, Fodders more so. Perhaps keeping so many clean sheets was making him feel invincible, but acting like he did was bang out of order. Paolo is the boss, but his passion gets the better of him sometimes. I posted over the weekend, Paolo wants to win ALL marches. if the team loses then its the manner of the defeat. Give of your all and loose, PdC will be ok about it. Do not put in the effort and Paolo has every right to lambast players.

That said, please kiss and make or we might as well give the next result to the Pox.
[quote][p][bold]Doctor Bamber[/bold] wrote: lets look on the brightside.........n o one would have predicted the result, or the first substitution, so at least the prediction league remains "as was"....[/p][/quote]Good reality check there Bamber. Seriously, at the moment there's only one winner - ALL the rest of our opposition. Both were wrong, Fodders more so. Perhaps keeping so many clean sheets was making him feel invincible, but acting like he did was bang out of order. Paolo is the boss, but his passion gets the better of him sometimes. I posted over the weekend, Paolo wants to win ALL marches. if the team loses then its the manner of the defeat. Give of your all and loose, PdC will be ok about it. Do not put in the effort and Paolo has every right to lambast players. That said, please kiss and make or we might as well give the next result to the Pox. Rebel_phish
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9:11am Mon 3 Sep 12

Chish and Fips says...

stfcknowitall wrote:
Right ask yourselves this...If Wes hadn't kicked off and threw his toys out the pram about being substituted would there be such a big uproar about this whole thing?

If Wes had looked slightly peed off about being taken off but took it on the chin and left the pitch normally would we all be talking about it now?

Yes taking a goalkeeper off for tactical reasons and not because of injury is unusual but its Paolos choice, I agree with Paolo if a player in any outfield position made several mistakes they would be taken off so why not a goalkeeper?

Wes is the culprit in this case, yes he was upset about being subbed but if he had left the pitch in a professional manner all us fans would be talking about is an unusual decision to sub a goalkeeper, not about wes leaving the club and Paolo having no man management skills.

The bottom line is, yes wes being subbed was slightly strange but wes should have accepted the fact he's been subbed after making some costly mistakes, just like any other player on the pitch would have to of done. Instead Wes has made a massive saga out of the whole thing and tried to make Paolo look bad.

IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
Very good post and some valid pointers.

Looking back at the Leon Clarke flashpoint, a lot jumped on PDC, but when the dust had settled look what happened and where is Clarke now .....
[quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Right ask yourselves this...If Wes hadn't kicked off and threw his toys out the pram about being substituted would there be such a big uproar about this whole thing? If Wes had looked slightly peed off about being taken off but took it on the chin and left the pitch normally would we all be talking about it now? Yes taking a goalkeeper off for tactical reasons and not because of injury is unusual but its Paolos choice, I agree with Paolo if a player in any outfield position made several mistakes they would be taken off so why not a goalkeeper? Wes is the culprit in this case, yes he was upset about being subbed but if he had left the pitch in a professional manner all us fans would be talking about is an unusual decision to sub a goalkeeper, not about wes leaving the club and Paolo having no man management skills. The bottom line is, yes wes being subbed was slightly strange but wes should have accepted the fact he's been subbed after making some costly mistakes, just like any other player on the pitch would have to of done. Instead Wes has made a massive saga out of the whole thing and tried to make Paolo look bad. IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]Very good post and some valid pointers. Looking back at the Leon Clarke flashpoint, a lot jumped on PDC, but when the dust had settled look what happened and where is Clarke now ..... Chish and Fips
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9:11am Mon 3 Sep 12

avo says...

Jam1 & Danioool lol, great posts
Jam1 & Danioool lol, great posts avo
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9:13am Mon 3 Sep 12

Jovial says...

PDC may have got results but his behaviour is increasingly bizarre - I don't think it will be longer before it all ends in tears. If I was Foderingham I would be off he's done more than enough to be first team choice at a pick of clubs - would be our loss. As good as PDC is I'm rapidly going off him.
PDC may have got results but his behaviour is increasingly bizarre - I don't think it will be longer before it all ends in tears. If I was Foderingham I would be off he's done more than enough to be first team choice at a pick of clubs - would be our loss. As good as PDC is I'm rapidly going off him. Jovial
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9:14am Mon 3 Sep 12

avo says...

The town end top post also
The town end top post also avo
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9:15am Mon 3 Sep 12

avo says...

Jovial wrote:
PDC may have got results but his behaviour is increasingly bizarre - I don't think it will be longer before it all ends in tears. If I was Foderingham I would be off he's done more than enough to be first team choice at a pick of clubs - would be our loss. As good as PDC is I'm rapidly going off him.
Exactly where would he go though?
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Let's see what happens over the next 24 hours.
[quote][p][bold]Jovial[/bold] wrote: PDC may have got results but his behaviour is increasingly bizarre - I don't think it will be longer before it all ends in tears. If I was Foderingham I would be off he's done more than enough to be first team choice at a pick of clubs - would be our loss. As good as PDC is I'm rapidly going off him.[/p][/quote]Exactly where would he go though? . Let's see what happens over the next 24 hours. avo
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9:16am Mon 3 Sep 12

Highworth red says...

penworthamwhite wrote:
Morning all, as a PNE fan at yesterdays game I have to say that despite the result I genuinely believe you are a decent side. Yes it was a bad day at the office, but I saw things in your team that in my opinion will mean you are there or there abouts come May. Your keepers reaction was bad fuelled by the derisory jeers from us! However his reaction seemed to effect the side who looked like they may get back into early second half. We are have had similar ups and downs re players and GW recently BUT yesterday proved to us there can be only one boss love him or loathe his rant yesterday PDC is a good manager. One of your other players flipped us the bird too after getting grief over a bad cross (blond lad on the left?) Ultimatley it shows they care I guess, for what it's worth we expect a very tough game in the return at your place.
Cheers fella, good to hear your positive comments.
[quote][p][bold]penworthamwhite[/bold] wrote: Morning all, as a PNE fan at yesterdays game I have to say that despite the result I genuinely believe you are a decent side. Yes it was a bad day at the office, but I saw things in your team that in my opinion will mean you are there or there abouts come May. Your keepers reaction was bad fuelled by the derisory jeers from us! However his reaction seemed to effect the side who looked like they may get back into early second half. We are have had similar ups and downs re players and GW recently BUT yesterday proved to us there can be only one boss love him or loathe his rant yesterday PDC is a good manager. One of your other players flipped us the bird too after getting grief over a bad cross (blond lad on the left?) Ultimatley it shows they care I guess, for what it's worth we expect a very tough game in the return at your place.[/p][/quote]Cheers fella, good to hear your positive comments. Highworth red
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9:19am Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?
So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday? Oi Den!
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9:20am Mon 3 Sep 12

Davidsyrett says...

If PdC decides to sub a goalie after 20 mins, that's fine, Wes should not have reacted the way he did, but PdC was way out of order with his interview afterwards, it was embarrassing for the club & players, and really pushed Wes into a corner.

I doubt whether he will play for us again unless JW steps in and mediates, I have supported PdC from the day his name was first mentioned by the press as a possible manager, but he has over stepped the mark this time,

One person is not bigger than the club. Jeremy Wray has to step in now to calm PdC down (in what he says to the press) otherwise I worry the roller coaster is on a sharp dip down.

Get a grip PdC!
If PdC decides to sub a goalie after 20 mins, that's fine, Wes should not have reacted the way he did, but PdC was way out of order with his interview afterwards, it was embarrassing for the club & players, and really pushed Wes into a corner. I doubt whether he will play for us again unless JW steps in and mediates, I have supported PdC from the day his name was first mentioned by the press as a possible manager, but he has over stepped the mark this time, One person is not bigger than the club. Jeremy Wray has to step in now to calm PdC down (in what he says to the press) otherwise I worry the roller coaster is on a sharp dip down. Get a grip PdC! Davidsyrett
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9:20am Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

Some great points here about Wes's attitude to being substituted,i wonder how many would be backing say Risser if he done the same thing Wes done?
Some great points here about Wes's attitude to being substituted,i wonder how many would be backing say Risser if he done the same thing Wes done? swwindon61uk
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9:21am Mon 3 Sep 12

Since 1950 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote: The one common theme of all this - is the people who actually went to the match all agree it was the right decision and totally back PDC with what he has done then and after. I think there is a case of Wes getting a little above his station and as we have treated him like some 'star player' it has effected his game and personality. Perhaps IMO not the best way to deal with this - but then PDC believes it is, and I hope for all concerned it works out.
Chish, I don't think it can ever be right, except in the case of injury of course, to substitute a player in the first 20 minutes of a game - particularly a goalkeeper. Every player can have a bad start to a game. The least they deserve is the opportunity to redeem themsleves. . Is there a goalkeeper in the land who has never made a ****-up in dealing with a ball that he's not allowed to pick up? It happens. One poster who was there yesterday said he thought Foderingham then tried to make amends by releasing the ball quickly in an effort to get attacks going quickly. If so, his second error has arisen out of a genuine desire to play his part for the team. . If the lack of competition has made Foderingham become a little too comfortable in his position, whose fault is that? In some areas, we have more players than we need. In the goalkeeping position we do not have enough. . This is no anti-PDC rant. He has been a real joy for our club. But it's time he stopped pointing the finger at his players in public and got on with the job of managing them discreetly and diplomatically.
Agree with much of your post Den. To be fair to Paolo though, he did point the finger at himself in the first instance for his team selection and for not making more changes.
If you want a diplomat as manager then I would respectfully suggest Paolo is the wrong man. Leave the tact and diplomacy to Mr Wray. I do agree though, as I said in an earlier post that Paolo should resist temptation to administer public b********gs to his players via post match interviews. Sure, say this and that was wrong. However, that's Di Canio and he isn't going to change I guess.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: The one common theme of all this - is the people who actually went to the match all agree it was the right decision and totally back PDC with what he has done then and after. I think there is a case of Wes getting a little above his station and as we have treated him like some 'star player' it has effected his game and personality. Perhaps IMO not the best way to deal with this - but then PDC believes it is, and I hope for all concerned it works out.[/p][/quote]Chish, I don't think it can ever be right, except in the case of injury of course, to substitute a player in the first 20 minutes of a game - particularly a goalkeeper. Every player can have a bad start to a game. The least they deserve is the opportunity to redeem themsleves. . Is there a goalkeeper in the land who has never made a ****-up in dealing with a ball that he's not allowed to pick up? It happens. One poster who was there yesterday said he thought Foderingham then tried to make amends by releasing the ball quickly in an effort to get attacks going quickly. If so, his second error has arisen out of a genuine desire to play his part for the team. . If the lack of competition has made Foderingham become a little too comfortable in his position, whose fault is that? In some areas, we have more players than we need. In the goalkeeping position we do not have enough. . This is no anti-PDC rant. He has been a real joy for our club. But it's time he stopped pointing the finger at his players in public and got on with the job of managing them discreetly and diplomatically.[/p][/quote]Agree with much of your post Den. To be fair to Paolo though, he did point the finger at himself in the first instance for his team selection and for not making more changes. If you want a diplomat as manager then I would respectfully suggest Paolo is the wrong man. Leave the tact and diplomacy to Mr Wray. I do agree though, as I said in an earlier post that Paolo should resist temptation to administer public b********gs to his players via post match interviews. Sure, say this and that was wrong. However, that's Di Canio and he isn't going to change I guess. Since 1950
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9:23am Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

Oi Den! wrote:
So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?
I was saying about his catching of crosses last year Den,i still think he is a great goalkeeper who i would like to keep :-)
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?[/p][/quote]I was saying about his catching of crosses last year Den,i still think he is a great goalkeeper who i would like to keep :-) swwindon61uk
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9:24am Mon 3 Sep 12

swindan says...

all you moaners criticising pdc, you've got axes to grind and you've never got behind this man who is transforming our club - get the hell outtta here! You simply fail to understand, this man is NOT a normal manager, he is NOT trying to do normal things. He is trying to bring perfection to a squad of players and take them from league two to the top. If you want to go on that ride you've got to do the managers will or get out. There is only one man in charge, simple. Wes is a great keeper, but he's got a great defence in front of him and town have brought him on a lot. He can be replaced if that's what it comes to.
all you moaners criticising pdc, you've got axes to grind and you've never got behind this man who is transforming our club - get the hell outtta here! You simply fail to understand, this man is NOT a normal manager, he is NOT trying to do normal things. He is trying to bring perfection to a squad of players and take them from league two to the top. If you want to go on that ride you've got to do the managers will or get out. There is only one man in charge, simple. Wes is a great keeper, but he's got a great defence in front of him and town have brought him on a lot. He can be replaced if that's what it comes to. swindan
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9:24am Mon 3 Sep 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Just seen his interview on Sky, not a rant or a rave. Extremely calm and delivered his points carefully. Quite surprised me actually.

Sky are going to be in Swindon at lunchtime to try and crank it up. Be note resting to see if JW gets Wes to make a public statement that would kill the story dead.

Fingers crossed. Managers authority everything even if the apologise thing isn't is best move ever.

Interesting day ahead.
Just seen his interview on Sky, not a rant or a rave. Extremely calm and delivered his points carefully. Quite surprised me actually. Sky are going to be in Swindon at lunchtime to try and crank it up. Be note resting to see if JW gets Wes to make a public statement that would kill the story dead. Fingers crossed. Managers authority everything even if the apologise thing isn't is best move ever. Interesting day ahead. dreamofacleansheet2
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9:24am Mon 3 Sep 12

London Red says...

Not going to say too much on this as we saw 100 posts within minutes of it happenning by people unaware of what was happening and conitnuing this morning with over 50 posts before 9am - so don't really need mine too

However I will say - Thank god for Jam1 - I thought for a minute there was not one single person on here who could actually read!
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Everyone has slated PdC for subbing Wes "over a mistake" when it clearly says in the above article that was not the case!
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I was no Phil Smith fan - but when ever he made a mistake he would always hold his hands up and never rant at the rest of the team over it - That is the main point here!!!!!!!!
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Den - your point about competition is picked up by PdC so I think he has accepted responsibility on that part and I now fuly expect a loan keeper to arrive when the loan window re-opens next week
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I also noted that part from a poster (who was actually there!) about the quick release and again PdC comments on this and says he was telling Wes to calm down and hold it more - but this appears to have been ignored and was putting us under more pressure - it appears to me that the blaming others and ignoring instructions was what saw him hauled off - which is no different to what others have had done
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I do hope Wes realises that his career can really take off here and that he comes out and says sorry and we all move on!
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Drinkgate shows it can happen as Macca is now captain and McEveley signed on post it
Not going to say too much on this as we saw 100 posts within minutes of it happenning by people unaware of what was happening and conitnuing this morning with over 50 posts before 9am - so don't really need mine too However I will say - Thank god for Jam1 - I thought for a minute there was not one single person on here who could actually read! . Everyone has slated PdC for subbing Wes "over a mistake" when it clearly says in the above article that was not the case! . I was no Phil Smith fan - but when ever he made a mistake he would always hold his hands up and never rant at the rest of the team over it - That is the main point here!!!!!!!! . Den - your point about competition is picked up by PdC so I think he has accepted responsibility on that part and I now fuly expect a loan keeper to arrive when the loan window re-opens next week . I also noted that part from a poster (who was actually there!) about the quick release and again PdC comments on this and says he was telling Wes to calm down and hold it more - but this appears to have been ignored and was putting us under more pressure - it appears to me that the blaming others and ignoring instructions was what saw him hauled off - which is no different to what others have had done . I do hope Wes realises that his career can really take off here and that he comes out and says sorry and we all move on! . Drinkgate shows it can happen as Macca is now captain and McEveley signed on post it London Red
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9:25am Mon 3 Sep 12

Highworth red says...

Look everybody, we do not know what is going on behind the scenes. Paolo is a tough task master and some players will struggle with his standards. I can only imagine that Paolo has seen Wes's standards and attitude slip and he needs to let him know that he doesn't want prima donna's, but players who are focused on the job in hand. We all get a rolicking if we are sloppy at work and Wes needs to show some humilty and he will mature and learn a valuable lession if he does. If not, Paolo will get a keeper who is of the same mindset as Paolo, determined, focused and a grafter. Come on Wes, humility is a sign of strength not weekness.
Look everybody, we do not know what is going on behind the scenes. Paolo is a tough task master and some players will struggle with his standards. I can only imagine that Paolo has seen Wes's standards and attitude slip and he needs to let him know that he doesn't want prima donna's, but players who are focused on the job in hand. We all get a rolicking if we are sloppy at work and Wes needs to show some humilty and he will mature and learn a valuable lession if he does. If not, Paolo will get a keeper who is of the same mindset as Paolo, determined, focused and a grafter. Come on Wes, humility is a sign of strength not weekness. Highworth red
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9:26am Mon 3 Sep 12

LeGod says...

We as fans all know and the players certainly do if you dont put 100% into a game or you make mistakes you get taken off.
Wes should have been more professional in his disappointment at being subbed the goals we conceded were shocking and the whole team didnt perform yesterday and perhaps in hindsight after our great win mid week perhaps a few changes should have been made for this game. Anyway we got stuffed they all need to put it behind them and on to the next game.

I hope Wes apologies as with the back four and him in goal we have looked a solid unit and it would be a shame for another player to leave but Paolo is right with his comments im afraid and he is the manager who gets it if we fail in our mission to get to the championship.
We as fans all know and the players certainly do if you dont put 100% into a game or you make mistakes you get taken off. Wes should have been more professional in his disappointment at being subbed the goals we conceded were shocking and the whole team didnt perform yesterday and perhaps in hindsight after our great win mid week perhaps a few changes should have been made for this game. Anyway we got stuffed they all need to put it behind them and on to the next game. I hope Wes apologies as with the back four and him in goal we have looked a solid unit and it would be a shame for another player to leave but Paolo is right with his comments im afraid and he is the manager who gets it if we fail in our mission to get to the championship. LeGod
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9:27am Mon 3 Sep 12

avo says...

Oi Den! wrote:
So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?
Hardly. A few people airing their observations from games so far. Is there a problem with that Den?
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Do you have any on Wes's performances so far, we normally agree on players, so surely you must have noticed that he looks a bit uncertain when coming to punch?
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His approach to commanding his area last season was far more reserved and I actually thought he looked a better keeper for it. I don't know of course, if this sudden charge of the light brigade approach in his box is something of his own doing or whether in fact he is being encouraged to do so by the coaching staff.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?[/p][/quote]Hardly. A few people airing their observations from games so far. Is there a problem with that Den? . Do you have any on Wes's performances so far, we normally agree on players, so surely you must have noticed that he looks a bit uncertain when coming to punch? . His approach to commanding his area last season was far more reserved and I actually thought he looked a better keeper for it. I don't know of course, if this sudden charge of the light brigade approach in his box is something of his own doing or whether in fact he is being encouraged to do so by the coaching staff. avo
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9:28am Mon 3 Sep 12

mallorca says...

Now that we have all ranted and raved it's time to concentrate first on the Oxford game that is normally not easy.
If Wes plays ok however we must not forget young bedwell is also part of this team and if pdc feels he should play him ok.
I expect wholesale changes tomorrow a wake up call if you like.
As for Pdc's future he has the 100% backing of JW and Board otherwise why invest on incoming players last week.
We have Pdc love or hate him until JW say's otherwise he is the BOSS
so we should let him get on with it.
Also what we post is again our own opinion right or wrong and Exmouth Red we are not Muppets we just love our team and at times get carried away with it all
Now that we have all ranted and raved it's time to concentrate first on the Oxford game that is normally not easy. If Wes plays ok however we must not forget young bedwell is also part of this team and if pdc feels he should play him ok. I expect wholesale changes tomorrow a wake up call if you like. As for Pdc's future he has the 100% backing of JW and Board otherwise why invest on incoming players last week. We have Pdc love or hate him until JW say's otherwise he is the BOSS so we should let him get on with it. Also what we post is again our own opinion right or wrong and Exmouth Red we are not Muppets we just love our team and at times get carried away with it all mallorca
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9:28am Mon 3 Sep 12

akershaker says...

If it was a centre half playing badly and making a couple of howlers, no one would make such a fuss about a first half substitution?. Wes's reaction is perhaps understandable, but this public outburst is not acceptable. Pdc comments after the game are too much though.
If it was a centre half playing badly and making a couple of howlers, no one would make such a fuss about a first half substitution?. Wes's reaction is perhaps understandable, but this public outburst is not acceptable. Pdc comments after the game are too much though. akershaker
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9:31am Mon 3 Sep 12

Highworth red says...

Paolo and the Wes incident was just shown on SKY (not Sky sports) news. Paolo certainly keeps us in the public eye and to be fair, he spoke sense about the whole incident.
Paolo and the Wes incident was just shown on SKY (not Sky sports) news. Paolo certainly keeps us in the public eye and to be fair, he spoke sense about the whole incident. Highworth red
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9:33am Mon 3 Sep 12

bradley red 1 says...

di canio is turning himself and the club into a bit of a media circus,sky are stiring things up !they are loving all of this drama and we really are turning into a bit of a laughing stock with regards the manager and his players having bust ups,not good in my opinion,the chairman needs to have a word! he should of dropped wes for the next game he has got this one wrong and to keep slagging players off when we lose is un professional,but i guess this is what you get with paulo di canio.
di canio is turning himself and the club into a bit of a media circus,sky are stiring things up !they are loving all of this drama and we really are turning into a bit of a laughing stock with regards the manager and his players having bust ups,not good in my opinion,the chairman needs to have a word! he should of dropped wes for the next game he has got this one wrong and to keep slagging players off when we lose is un professional,but i guess this is what you get with paulo di canio. bradley red 1
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9:36am Mon 3 Sep 12

The-Swindon-Man says...

Di Canio, you're the one who needs to come out and apologies not only to Wes, but to me and the other fans who drove all the way up to Preston yesterday.

Wes does NOT need to say sorry.

Di Canio's actions yesterday - I haven't felt so embarrassed to be a Swindon fan.

We have one of the best keepers outside the premier league here. Why spoil it?

Di Canio falls out with players and blames the player for being a fool and having a bad attitude etc (I'll use as Caddis an example). I always backed Di Canio, but after yesterday, I'm starting to think twice.

I can see Di Canio losing the dressing room soon (sorry but that's just my opinion)

Rant over...
Di Canio, you're the one who needs to come out and apologies not only to Wes, but to me and the other fans who drove all the way up to Preston yesterday. Wes does NOT need to say sorry. Di Canio's actions yesterday - I haven't felt so embarrassed to be a Swindon fan. We have one of the best keepers outside the premier league here. Why spoil it? Di Canio falls out with players and blames the player for being a fool and having a bad attitude etc (I'll use as Caddis an example). I always backed Di Canio, but after yesterday, I'm starting to think twice. I can see Di Canio losing the dressing room soon (sorry but that's just my opinion) Rant over... The-Swindon-Man
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9:37am Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

Since 1950 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote: The one common theme of all this - is the people who actually went to the match all agree it was the right decision and totally back PDC with what he has done then and after. I think there is a case of Wes getting a little above his station and as we have treated him like some 'star player' it has effected his game and personality. Perhaps IMO not the best way to deal with this - but then PDC believes it is, and I hope for all concerned it works out.
Chish, I don't think it can ever be right, except in the case of injury of course, to substitute a player in the first 20 minutes of a game - particularly a goalkeeper. Every player can have a bad start to a game. The least they deserve is the opportunity to redeem themsleves. . Is there a goalkeeper in the land who has never made a ****-up in dealing with a ball that he's not allowed to pick up? It happens. One poster who was there yesterday said he thought Foderingham then tried to make amends by releasing the ball quickly in an effort to get attacks going quickly. If so, his second error has arisen out of a genuine desire to play his part for the team. . If the lack of competition has made Foderingham become a little too comfortable in his position, whose fault is that? In some areas, we have more players than we need. In the goalkeeping position we do not have enough. . This is no anti-PDC rant. He has been a real joy for our club. But it's time he stopped pointing the finger at his players in public and got on with the job of managing them discreetly and diplomatically.
Agree with much of your post Den. To be fair to Paolo though, he did point the finger at himself in the first instance for his team selection and for not making more changes.
If you want a diplomat as manager then I would respectfully suggest Paolo is the wrong man. Leave the tact and diplomacy to Mr Wray. I do agree though, as I said in an earlier post that Paolo should resist temptation to administer public b********gs to his players via post match interviews. Sure, say this and that was wrong. However, that's Di Canio and he isn't going to change I guess.
Point taken 1950. Perhaps not the best choice of words by me. But I think we agree that he has to rein himself in a bit or further trouble is inevitable.
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As for Foderingham's response to being substituted, yes, of course it was wrong, but I have no doubt that his pride was deeply hurt and in the same circumstances, I doubt that there are too many of us who would have taken it any better. And, if we don't want the players to indulge in public outbursts, I think it would help if PDC set a good example by not indulging in them either. He is 20 odd years older than Foderingham. It could be argued that he should know better.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: The one common theme of all this - is the people who actually went to the match all agree it was the right decision and totally back PDC with what he has done then and after. I think there is a case of Wes getting a little above his station and as we have treated him like some 'star player' it has effected his game and personality. Perhaps IMO not the best way to deal with this - but then PDC believes it is, and I hope for all concerned it works out.[/p][/quote]Chish, I don't think it can ever be right, except in the case of injury of course, to substitute a player in the first 20 minutes of a game - particularly a goalkeeper. Every player can have a bad start to a game. The least they deserve is the opportunity to redeem themsleves. . Is there a goalkeeper in the land who has never made a ****-up in dealing with a ball that he's not allowed to pick up? It happens. One poster who was there yesterday said he thought Foderingham then tried to make amends by releasing the ball quickly in an effort to get attacks going quickly. If so, his second error has arisen out of a genuine desire to play his part for the team. . If the lack of competition has made Foderingham become a little too comfortable in his position, whose fault is that? In some areas, we have more players than we need. In the goalkeeping position we do not have enough. . This is no anti-PDC rant. He has been a real joy for our club. But it's time he stopped pointing the finger at his players in public and got on with the job of managing them discreetly and diplomatically.[/p][/quote]Agree with much of your post Den. To be fair to Paolo though, he did point the finger at himself in the first instance for his team selection and for not making more changes. If you want a diplomat as manager then I would respectfully suggest Paolo is the wrong man. Leave the tact and diplomacy to Mr Wray. I do agree though, as I said in an earlier post that Paolo should resist temptation to administer public b********gs to his players via post match interviews. Sure, say this and that was wrong. However, that's Di Canio and he isn't going to change I guess.[/p][/quote]Point taken 1950. Perhaps not the best choice of words by me. But I think we agree that he has to rein himself in a bit or further trouble is inevitable. . As for Foderingham's response to being substituted, yes, of course it was wrong, but I have no doubt that his pride was deeply hurt and in the same circumstances, I doubt that there are too many of us who would have taken it any better. And, if we don't want the players to indulge in public outbursts, I think it would help if PDC set a good example by not indulging in them either. He is 20 odd years older than Foderingham. It could be argued that he should know better. Oi Den!
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9:43am Mon 3 Sep 12

killerontheloose says...

How offended the pathos brigade of Wiltshire are about a little but of Italian passion carried out in public - You should get off your backsides and support PDC every step of the way because he will soon move on to bigger and better things and do you really want to see Paul Hart and Danny Wilson lookalikes again?
How offended the pathos brigade of Wiltshire are about a little but of Italian passion carried out in public - You should get off your backsides and support PDC every step of the way because he will soon move on to bigger and better things and do you really want to see Paul Hart and Danny Wilson lookalikes again? killerontheloose
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9:45am Mon 3 Sep 12

Exmouth_red69 says...

Simples! wrote:
Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Here they all come out of the woodwork. some people just love a moan.

Muppets!
Tosser
Simples says it all mate ;-) haha
[quote][p][bold]Simples![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Exmouth_red69[/bold] wrote: Here they all come out of the woodwork. some people just love a moan. Muppets![/p][/quote]Tosser[/p][/quote]Simples says it all mate ;-) haha Exmouth_red69
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9:46am Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

avo wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?
Hardly. A few people airing their observations from games so far. Is there a problem with that Den?
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Do you have any on Wes's performances so far, we normally agree on players, so surely you must have noticed that he looks a bit uncertain when coming to punch?
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His approach to commanding his area last season was far more reserved and I actually thought he looked a better keeper for it. I don't know of course, if this sudden charge of the light brigade approach in his box is something of his own doing or whether in fact he is being encouraged to do so by the coaching staff.
Avo, yes, I agree that his punching has been a little suspect. I think it was only last week that I said so on here. But that doesn't stop me from thinking his overall game is excellent. My point is that we seem to have quite a few people now telling us about his weaknesses when they haven't mentioned them before. But I gladly apologise if I have got that wrong.
[quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?[/p][/quote]Hardly. A few people airing their observations from games so far. Is there a problem with that Den? . Do you have any on Wes's performances so far, we normally agree on players, so surely you must have noticed that he looks a bit uncertain when coming to punch? . His approach to commanding his area last season was far more reserved and I actually thought he looked a better keeper for it. I don't know of course, if this sudden charge of the light brigade approach in his box is something of his own doing or whether in fact he is being encouraged to do so by the coaching staff.[/p][/quote]Avo, yes, I agree that his punching has been a little suspect. I think it was only last week that I said so on here. But that doesn't stop me from thinking his overall game is excellent. My point is that we seem to have quite a few people now telling us about his weaknesses when they haven't mentioned them before. But I gladly apologise if I have got that wrong. Oi Den!
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9:47am Mon 3 Sep 12

old town robin says...

avo wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?
Hardly. A few people airing their observations from games so far. Is there a problem with that Den?
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Do you have any on Wes's performances so far, we normally agree on players, so surely you must have noticed that he looks a bit uncertain when coming to punch?
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His approach to commanding his area last season was far more reserved and I actually thought he looked a better keeper for it. I don't know of course, if this sudden charge of the light brigade approach in his box is something of his own doing or whether in fact he is being encouraged to do so by the coaching staff.
Good point Avo as to why Wes is trying to come out more to try and punch or catch the ball, I would have thought this was something that would have come from his training rather than him deciding that was his way to go. As long as I can remember corners and high crosses have always been a weakness in town defences, ala 2 more goals conceeded yesterday from corners, In fairness to Wes and Bedwell, I think the defence in front of them need to work harder on their man marking for set pieces. Expect Ward to make his debut tomorrow and get us back to defending with the emphasis on not giving Constable of the the Pox any room.

Still think we should always have one player not coming back to defend, when nobody is left up the field it just encourages apposing defenders to come up for corners and free kick.
[quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?[/p][/quote]Hardly. A few people airing their observations from games so far. Is there a problem with that Den? . Do you have any on Wes's performances so far, we normally agree on players, so surely you must have noticed that he looks a bit uncertain when coming to punch? . His approach to commanding his area last season was far more reserved and I actually thought he looked a better keeper for it. I don't know of course, if this sudden charge of the light brigade approach in his box is something of his own doing or whether in fact he is being encouraged to do so by the coaching staff.[/p][/quote]Good point Avo as to why Wes is trying to come out more to try and punch or catch the ball, I would have thought this was something that would have come from his training rather than him deciding that was his way to go. As long as I can remember corners and high crosses have always been a weakness in town defences, ala 2 more goals conceeded yesterday from corners, In fairness to Wes and Bedwell, I think the defence in front of them need to work harder on their man marking for set pieces. Expect Ward to make his debut tomorrow and get us back to defending with the emphasis on not giving Constable of the the Pox any room. Still think we should always have one player not coming back to defend, when nobody is left up the field it just encourages apposing defenders to come up for corners and free kick. old town robin
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9:47am Mon 3 Sep 12

the don69 says...

That was very painful to watch at Deepdale!Awful what really hurt,was the way we performed(or didn't)we looked slow and unfit,had the tactics of a pub team our shape was all over the place and worst of all Preston wanted it much more than we did!now it's only one game and I hope it don't hit our confidence,so I have said many times Paolo is the Boss and he can do just what he likes,as long as we our winning games!so any more performances like that and those Knives will be out!as for Paolo's outbursts we know what he's like when he's lost or even drawn a game!so much passion he can't stop himself!maybe it's time for J-Wray to have a word in his shell-like and try and keep him calm!as for Wes he has been poor in the last two games so he deserves to be dropped to kick him up the @ss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was very painful to watch at Deepdale!Awful what really hurt,was the way we performed(or didn't)we looked slow and unfit,had the tactics of a pub team our shape was all over the place and worst of all Preston wanted it much more than we did!now it's only one game and I hope it don't hit our confidence,so I have said many times Paolo is the Boss and he can do just what he likes,as long as we our winning games!so any more performances like that and those Knives will be out!as for Paolo's outbursts we know what he's like when he's lost or even drawn a game!so much passion he can't stop himself!maybe it's time for J-Wray to have a word in his shell-like and try and keep him calm!as for Wes he has been poor in the last two games so he deserves to be dropped to kick him up the @ss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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9:52am Mon 3 Sep 12

Stilloyal says...

Some Town fans are so fickle ! Over the last couple of weeks we've heard / seen that the manager is always right, "Paolo does what he wants" etc.
But now that it is the "untouchable Sir Wes" Suddenly the manager is wrong.

My personal view is that the Caddis affair could / should have been handled better and the player should still be with us.
As for Fodders he's a decent keeper and better than some we've had but no better than Smith. Smith had weaknesses and so does Fodders. The reason for Fodders success is the fantastic defence in front of him. In his own words he's admitted that he's had nothing to do in most games. I'm not knocking the keeper but I'm not going to big him up either, he was just another cog in a good team.
It does seem that we've seen the last of Fodders which is a shame but it's not the end of the world (yet!).
The manager and some fans said that the player had a poor game at Stoke and this begs a couple of questions. (1) Did the manager discuss this with the player? (2) Why did the manager play someone he thought was so arrogant ?
Truth is no one is untouchable and that goes for the manager also. I know (without naming names ) there are arrogant players in our squad , the manager is also arrogant and what he can create he can also destroy.
Personally I am getting fed up with the managers tantrums and I believe many others are also. Trust me if we get a few dodgy results then fans will start calling for the managers head.
No one is infallable, Di Canio needs to keeps discussions within the dressing room, he needs to learn man manager skills and he needs to get anger management treatment.
Di Canio is a good tactician and coach, he is also meticulous in his planning and preparstion but he's far from the finished article.
Come on Paolo sort this and yourself out.
Bedwell plays at Oxford !
Some Town fans are so fickle ! Over the last couple of weeks we've heard / seen that the manager is always right, "Paolo does what he wants" etc. But now that it is the "untouchable Sir Wes" Suddenly the manager is wrong. My personal view is that the Caddis affair could / should have been handled better and the player should still be with us. As for Fodders he's a decent keeper and better than some we've had but no better than Smith. Smith had weaknesses and so does Fodders. The reason for Fodders success is the fantastic defence in front of him. In his own words he's admitted that he's had nothing to do in most games. I'm not knocking the keeper but I'm not going to big him up either, he was just another cog in a good team. It does seem that we've seen the last of Fodders which is a shame but it's not the end of the world (yet!). The manager and some fans said that the player had a poor game at Stoke and this begs a couple of questions. (1) Did the manager discuss this with the player? (2) Why did the manager play someone he thought was so arrogant ? Truth is no one is untouchable and that goes for the manager also. I know (without naming names ) there are arrogant players in our squad , the manager is also arrogant and what he can create he can also destroy. Personally I am getting fed up with the managers tantrums and I believe many others are also. Trust me if we get a few dodgy results then fans will start calling for the managers head. No one is infallable, Di Canio needs to keeps discussions within the dressing room, he needs to learn man manager skills and he needs to get anger management treatment. Di Canio is a good tactician and coach, he is also meticulous in his planning and preparstion but he's far from the finished article. Come on Paolo sort this and yourself out. Bedwell plays at Oxford ! Stilloyal
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9:54am Mon 3 Sep 12

STFC 67 says...

Right or wrong about Wes , this is no way to manage people. Boss or not he needs to show respect to get it back.
Right or wrong about Wes , this is no way to manage people. Boss or not he needs to show respect to get it back. STFC 67
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9:59am Mon 3 Sep 12

delta419 says...

Whilst Wes did have a poor game yesterday by his standards, we were chasing the game, surely the substitution would have been better in order to change formation, plans B,C,D etc the PDC liked to talk about, it was a waste of substitution IMO, and only served to humiliate a player who had previously been faultless since he arrived at the club. Anyone of those players couldve been hauled of yesterday as, let's face it as team we never turned up. Whatver happen to win together lose together.
Whilst Wes did have a poor game yesterday by his standards, we were chasing the game, surely the substitution would have been better in order to change formation, plans B,C,D etc the PDC liked to talk about, it was a waste of substitution IMO, and only served to humiliate a player who had previously been faultless since he arrived at the club. Anyone of those players couldve been hauled of yesterday as, let's face it as team we never turned up. Whatver happen to win together lose together. delta419
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10:01am Mon 3 Sep 12

chalkswindon says...

Just to pick up on one point there OTR I couldnt agree more, like I said in another post I dont get to watch town often as I live in Blackpool and simply cant afford it.

However I was stunned when we were 3-1 to see every player back for a Preston corner, the result we clear it and it just comes back again and again.
Just to pick up on one point there OTR I couldnt agree more, like I said in another post I dont get to watch town often as I live in Blackpool and simply cant afford it. However I was stunned when we were 3-1 to see every player back for a Preston corner, the result we clear it and it just comes back again and again. chalkswindon
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10:01am Mon 3 Sep 12

sally2 says...

Synthesizer Jones wrote:
We won't have any players left at this rate. Foderingham has been excellent since he joined; the best keeper we've had since Fraser Digby. He's got nothing to apologise for and shouldn't have to put up with being insulted byDi Canio in the press. If anyone should be apologising, it should be the manager who is more than happy to claim the adulation for victory but quick to point the finger of blame for failure. Caddis, Foderingham, who next?
lets hope its Diacanio, he is too hot headed to be a manager. Did he ever apologise for his antics as aplayer?Yes he got Swindon out of what is the fourth division.That was not that great achievment considering the help the board gave him. He bought some rubbish players early on, and let some good players go.Letting Caddis go was a big mistake and the way he did it in front of all the players, he left him no way back .Did he expect him to crawl as he expects Fordingham to do.I like Dicanio's passion but thats all.I have supported Town since 1950,I have seen good and bad managers but never one such a dictator who thinks he is god.
[quote][p][bold]Synthesizer Jones[/bold] wrote: We won't have any players left at this rate. Foderingham has been excellent since he joined; the best keeper we've had since Fraser Digby. He's got nothing to apologise for and shouldn't have to put up with being insulted byDi Canio in the press. If anyone should be apologising, it should be the manager who is more than happy to claim the adulation for victory but quick to point the finger of blame for failure. Caddis, Foderingham, who next?[/p][/quote]lets hope its Diacanio, he is too hot headed to be a manager. Did he ever apologise for his antics as aplayer?Yes he got Swindon out of what is the fourth division.That was not that great achievment considering the help the board gave him. He bought some rubbish players early on, and let some good players go.Letting Caddis go was a big mistake and the way he did it in front of all the players, he left him no way back .Did he expect him to crawl as he expects Fordingham to do.I like Dicanio's passion but thats all.I have supported Town since 1950,I have seen good and bad managers but never one such a dictator who thinks he is god. sally2
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10:02am Mon 3 Sep 12

chalkswindon says...

Just to pick up on one point there OTR I couldnt agree more, like I said in another post I dont get to watch town often as I live in Blackpool and simply cant afford it.

However I was stunned when we were 3-1 to see every player back for a Preston corner, the result we clear it and it just comes back again and again.
Just to pick up on one point there OTR I couldnt agree more, like I said in another post I dont get to watch town often as I live in Blackpool and simply cant afford it. However I was stunned when we were 3-1 to see every player back for a Preston corner, the result we clear it and it just comes back again and again. chalkswindon
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10:05am Mon 3 Sep 12

Since 1950 says...

sally2 wrote:
Synthesizer Jones wrote: We won't have any players left at this rate. Foderingham has been excellent since he joined; the best keeper we've had since Fraser Digby. He's got nothing to apologise for and shouldn't have to put up with being insulted byDi Canio in the press. If anyone should be apologising, it should be the manager who is more than happy to claim the adulation for victory but quick to point the finger of blame for failure. Caddis, Foderingham, who next?
lets hope its Diacanio, he is too hot headed to be a manager. Did he ever apologise for his antics as aplayer?Yes he got Swindon out of what is the fourth division.That was not that great achievment considering the help the board gave him. He bought some rubbish players early on, and let some good players go.Letting Caddis go was a big mistake and the way he did it in front of all the players, he left him no way back .Did he expect him to crawl as he expects Fordingham to do.I like Dicanio's passion but thats all.I have supported Town since 1950,I have seen good and bad managers but never one such a dictator who thinks he is god.
since 1950? me too. :-)
[quote][p][bold]sally2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Synthesizer Jones[/bold] wrote: We won't have any players left at this rate. Foderingham has been excellent since he joined; the best keeper we've had since Fraser Digby. He's got nothing to apologise for and shouldn't have to put up with being insulted byDi Canio in the press. If anyone should be apologising, it should be the manager who is more than happy to claim the adulation for victory but quick to point the finger of blame for failure. Caddis, Foderingham, who next?[/p][/quote]lets hope its Diacanio, he is too hot headed to be a manager. Did he ever apologise for his antics as aplayer?Yes he got Swindon out of what is the fourth division.That was not that great achievment considering the help the board gave him. He bought some rubbish players early on, and let some good players go.Letting Caddis go was a big mistake and the way he did it in front of all the players, he left him no way back .Did he expect him to crawl as he expects Fordingham to do.I like Dicanio's passion but thats all.I have supported Town since 1950,I have seen good and bad managers but never one such a dictator who thinks he is god.[/p][/quote]since 1950? me too. :-) Since 1950
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10:07am Mon 3 Sep 12

billbst says...

Roller coaster with a bit of track missing this weekend. Egos at 12 o'clock! What does JWray do today I wonder? Paolo has total say on team matters with the board's full support. So he makes the calls on subs etc. No issue for JWray. Paolo chooses publically to force the issue - apologise or leave. Message (again) to JWray back me or I go. Bridge too far. Club can not be run by public ultimatums whether from players, management or fans for that matter. No public statement hopefully but I hope that JWray does re-set expectations now. If not Paolo will inevitably walk out because he perceives that he has not got 100% public support on some matter that is not that important.
Roller coaster with a bit of track missing this weekend. Egos at 12 o'clock! What does JWray do today I wonder? Paolo has total say on team matters with the board's full support. So he makes the calls on subs etc. No issue for JWray. Paolo chooses publically to force the issue - apologise or leave. Message (again) to JWray back me or I go. Bridge too far. Club can not be run by public ultimatums whether from players, management or fans for that matter. No public statement hopefully but I hope that JWray does re-set expectations now. If not Paolo will inevitably walk out because he perceives that he has not got 100% public support on some matter that is not that important. billbst
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10:08am Mon 3 Sep 12

Stilloyal says...

I think that if people think Di Canio will be successful at a big club then they should think again .
There won't be too many chairmen clamouring for his services after all his public outbursts. Neither will there be too many millionaire players wanting to put up with his antics.
These premiership and some championship players can go anywhere in Europe for an easier life, they won't tollerate an apparant arrogant bully.
Best pull your finger out Paolo and stick with us.
I think that if people think Di Canio will be successful at a big club then they should think again . There won't be too many chairmen clamouring for his services after all his public outbursts. Neither will there be too many millionaire players wanting to put up with his antics. These premiership and some championship players can go anywhere in Europe for an easier life, they won't tollerate an apparant arrogant bully. Best pull your finger out Paolo and stick with us. Stilloyal
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10:09am Mon 3 Sep 12

Lambourn Red says...

chalkswindon wrote:
Just to pick up on one point there OTR I couldnt agree more, like I said in another post I dont get to watch town often as I live in Blackpool and simply cant afford it.

However I was stunned when we were 3-1 to see every player back for a Preston corner, the result we clear it and it just comes back again and again.
We have been doing that for years when Wilson was here we did the same . That tactic really annoys me as well just stick a small quick player like ritchie up there to put pressure on the centre halves.
[quote][p][bold]chalkswindon[/bold] wrote: Just to pick up on one point there OTR I couldnt agree more, like I said in another post I dont get to watch town often as I live in Blackpool and simply cant afford it. However I was stunned when we were 3-1 to see every player back for a Preston corner, the result we clear it and it just comes back again and again.[/p][/quote]We have been doing that for years when Wilson was here we did the same . That tactic really annoys me as well just stick a small quick player like ritchie up there to put pressure on the centre halves. Lambourn Red
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10:20am Mon 3 Sep 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Can I just re confirm having seen PDC's interview on Sky he was totally CALM. Not a rant at all.

Whether its right or not debate away but for those who haven't seen it please don't make it up.
Can I just re confirm having seen PDC's interview on Sky he was totally CALM. Not a rant at all. Whether its right or not debate away but for those who haven't seen it please don't make it up. dreamofacleansheet2
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10:24am Mon 3 Sep 12

Stilloyal says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Can I just re confirm having seen PDC's interview on Sky he was totally CALM. Not a rant at all. Whether its right or not debate away but for those who haven't seen it please don't make it up.
I don't know if they showed the whole interview on Sky dreams, but he certainly was ranting and swearing (the F word)on the BBC Wilts interview
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Can I just re confirm having seen PDC's interview on Sky he was totally CALM. Not a rant at all. Whether its right or not debate away but for those who haven't seen it please don't make it up.[/p][/quote]I don't know if they showed the whole interview on Sky dreams, but he certainly was ranting and swearing (the F word)on the BBC Wilts interview Stilloyal
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10:24am Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

London Red wrote:
Not going to say too much on this as we saw 100 posts within minutes of it happenning by people unaware of what was happening and conitnuing this morning with over 50 posts before 9am - so don't really need mine too However I will say - Thank god for Jam1 - I thought for a minute there was not one single person on here who could actually read! . Everyone has slated PdC for subbing Wes "over a mistake" when it clearly says in the above article that was not the case! . I was no Phil Smith fan - but when ever he made a mistake he would always hold his hands up and never rant at the rest of the team over it - That is the main point here!!!!!!!! . Den - your point about competition is picked up by PdC so I think he has accepted responsibility on that part and I now fuly expect a loan keeper to arrive when the loan window re-opens next week . I also noted that part from a poster (who was actually there!) about the quick release and again PdC comments on this and says he was telling Wes to calm down and hold it more - but this appears to have been ignored and was putting us under more pressure - it appears to me that the blaming others and ignoring instructions was what saw him hauled off - which is no different to what others have had done . I do hope Wes realises that his career can really take off here and that he comes out and says sorry and we all move on! . Drinkgate shows it can happen as Macca is now captain and McEveley signed on post it
100 odd posts by 10am London, the majority questioning Paolo. It's so depressing and dissapointing.

Some of these people wont be happy until paolo has gone, then they may realise what we had.

Some posters on here actually think they have the authority and knowledge to tell paolo how he should be managing and what is out or order and what isn't.

He needs to do this, he needs to do that.... Its absolutely **** hilarious
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Not going to say too much on this as we saw 100 posts within minutes of it happenning by people unaware of what was happening and conitnuing this morning with over 50 posts before 9am - so don't really need mine too However I will say - Thank god for Jam1 - I thought for a minute there was not one single person on here who could actually read! . Everyone has slated PdC for subbing Wes "over a mistake" when it clearly says in the above article that was not the case! . I was no Phil Smith fan - but when ever he made a mistake he would always hold his hands up and never rant at the rest of the team over it - That is the main point here!!!!!!!! . Den - your point about competition is picked up by PdC so I think he has accepted responsibility on that part and I now fuly expect a loan keeper to arrive when the loan window re-opens next week . I also noted that part from a poster (who was actually there!) about the quick release and again PdC comments on this and says he was telling Wes to calm down and hold it more - but this appears to have been ignored and was putting us under more pressure - it appears to me that the blaming others and ignoring instructions was what saw him hauled off - which is no different to what others have had done . I do hope Wes realises that his career can really take off here and that he comes out and says sorry and we all move on! . Drinkgate shows it can happen as Macca is now captain and McEveley signed on post it[/p][/quote]100 odd posts by 10am London, the majority questioning Paolo. It's so depressing and dissapointing. Some of these people wont be happy until paolo has gone, then they may realise what we had. Some posters on here actually think they have the authority and knowledge to tell paolo how he should be managing and what is out or order and what isn't. He needs to do this, he needs to do that.... Its absolutely **** hilarious jam1
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10:25am Mon 3 Sep 12

Davidsyrett says...

Stilloyal wrote:
Some Town fans are so fickle ! Over the last couple of weeks we've heard / seen that the manager is always right, "Paolo does what he wants" etc.
But now that it is the "untouchable Sir Wes" Suddenly the manager is wrong.

My personal view is that the Caddis affair could / should have been handled better and the player should still be with us.
As for Fodders he's a decent keeper and better than some we've had but no better than Smith. Smith had weaknesses and so does Fodders. The reason for Fodders success is the fantastic defence in front of him. In his own words he's admitted that he's had nothing to do in most games. I'm not knocking the keeper but I'm not going to big him up either, he was just another cog in a good team.
It does seem that we've seen the last of Fodders which is a shame but it's not the end of the world (yet!).
The manager and some fans said that the player had a poor game at Stoke and this begs a couple of questions. (1) Did the manager discuss this with the player? (2) Why did the manager play someone he thought was so arrogant ?
Truth is no one is untouchable and that goes for the manager also. I know (without naming names ) there are arrogant players in our squad , the manager is also arrogant and what he can create he can also destroy.
Personally I am getting fed up with the managers tantrums and I believe many others are also. Trust me if we get a few dodgy results then fans will start calling for the managers head.
No one is infallable, Di Canio needs to keeps discussions within the dressing room, he needs to learn man manager skills and he needs to get anger management treatment.
Di Canio is a good tactician and coach, he is also meticulous in his planning and preparstion but he's far from the finished article.
Come on Paolo sort this and yourself out.
Bedwell plays at Oxford !
Good points loyal but can't agree that Wes & Smithy are on the same level, Fodders is a far better goalie, good defence or not. He still has things to learn, especially when to come off his line but he will go alot further than Smithy.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: Some Town fans are so fickle ! Over the last couple of weeks we've heard / seen that the manager is always right, "Paolo does what he wants" etc. But now that it is the "untouchable Sir Wes" Suddenly the manager is wrong. My personal view is that the Caddis affair could / should have been handled better and the player should still be with us. As for Fodders he's a decent keeper and better than some we've had but no better than Smith. Smith had weaknesses and so does Fodders. The reason for Fodders success is the fantastic defence in front of him. In his own words he's admitted that he's had nothing to do in most games. I'm not knocking the keeper but I'm not going to big him up either, he was just another cog in a good team. It does seem that we've seen the last of Fodders which is a shame but it's not the end of the world (yet!). The manager and some fans said that the player had a poor game at Stoke and this begs a couple of questions. (1) Did the manager discuss this with the player? (2) Why did the manager play someone he thought was so arrogant ? Truth is no one is untouchable and that goes for the manager also. I know (without naming names ) there are arrogant players in our squad , the manager is also arrogant and what he can create he can also destroy. Personally I am getting fed up with the managers tantrums and I believe many others are also. Trust me if we get a few dodgy results then fans will start calling for the managers head. No one is infallable, Di Canio needs to keeps discussions within the dressing room, he needs to learn man manager skills and he needs to get anger management treatment. Di Canio is a good tactician and coach, he is also meticulous in his planning and preparstion but he's far from the finished article. Come on Paolo sort this and yourself out. Bedwell plays at Oxford ![/p][/quote]Good points loyal but can't agree that Wes & Smithy are on the same level, Fodders is a far better goalie, good defence or not. He still has things to learn, especially when to come off his line but he will go alot further than Smithy. Davidsyrett
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10:28am Mon 3 Sep 12

the don69 says...

Stilloyal wrote:
I think that if people think Di Canio will be successful at a big club then they should think again .
There won't be too many chairmen clamouring for his services after all his public outbursts. Neither will there be too many millionaire players wanting to put up with his antics.
These premiership and some championship players can go anywhere in Europe for an easier life, they won't tollerate an apparant arrogant bully.
Best pull your finger out Paolo and stick with us.
Spot on Loyal you've hit the Nail on the head!where stuck with Paolo and he's stuck with us,no way he'll get a big job behaving the way he does!so back to work Paolo and lets get our Act back on the winning way,no better place to start than the 3 sided Kassam!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I think that if people think Di Canio will be successful at a big club then they should think again . There won't be too many chairmen clamouring for his services after all his public outbursts. Neither will there be too many millionaire players wanting to put up with his antics. These premiership and some championship players can go anywhere in Europe for an easier life, they won't tollerate an apparant arrogant bully. Best pull your finger out Paolo and stick with us.[/p][/quote]Spot on Loyal you've hit the Nail on the head!where stuck with Paolo and he's stuck with us,no way he'll get a big job behaving the way he does!so back to work Paolo and lets get our Act back on the winning way,no better place to start than the 3 sided Kassam!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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10:31am Mon 3 Sep 12

madterrier says...

J-Ray has to step in on this, and quick. Players make mistakes, but as someone said, we will have no players left at this rate.

The manager is in charge, but when he starts insulting players in public like this, he has to be reined in. There are ways of dealing with things, and this is not the way.

As a club we have playing assets. Caddis and Fodders are two of the most valuable. Paolo is in danger of damaging the club's finances massively and the board cannot just stand by and ignore that.
J-Ray has to step in on this, and quick. Players make mistakes, but as someone said, we will have no players left at this rate. The manager is in charge, but when he starts insulting players in public like this, he has to be reined in. There are ways of dealing with things, and this is not the way. As a club we have playing assets. Caddis and Fodders are two of the most valuable. Paolo is in danger of damaging the club's finances massively and the board cannot just stand by and ignore that. madterrier
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10:35am Mon 3 Sep 12

aussieg says...

madterrier wrote:
J-Ray has to step in on this, and quick. Players make mistakes, but as someone said, we will have no players left at this rate.

The manager is in charge, but when he starts insulting players in public like this, he has to be reined in. There are ways of dealing with things, and this is not the way.

As a club we have playing assets. Caddis and Fodders are two of the most valuable. Paolo is in danger of damaging the club's finances massively and the board cannot just stand by and ignore that.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: J-Ray has to step in on this, and quick. Players make mistakes, but as someone said, we will have no players left at this rate. The manager is in charge, but when he starts insulting players in public like this, he has to be reined in. There are ways of dealing with things, and this is not the way. As a club we have playing assets. Caddis and Fodders are two of the most valuable. Paolo is in danger of damaging the club's finances massively and the board cannot just stand by and ignore that.[/p][/quote]Well said aussieg
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10:35am Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

madterrier wrote:
J-Ray has to step in on this, and quick. Players make mistakes, but as someone said, we will have no players left at this rate. The manager is in charge, but when he starts insulting players in public like this, he has to be reined in. There are ways of dealing with things, and this is not the way. As a club we have playing assets. Caddis and Fodders are two of the most valuable. Paolo is in danger of damaging the club's finances massively and the board cannot just stand by and ignore that.
Go on son, you tell him!!!!
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: J-Ray has to step in on this, and quick. Players make mistakes, but as someone said, we will have no players left at this rate. The manager is in charge, but when he starts insulting players in public like this, he has to be reined in. There are ways of dealing with things, and this is not the way. As a club we have playing assets. Caddis and Fodders are two of the most valuable. Paolo is in danger of damaging the club's finances massively and the board cannot just stand by and ignore that.[/p][/quote]Go on son, you tell him!!!! jam1
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10:37am Mon 3 Sep 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Loyal, yes whole interview. He obviously did it after the radio Wiltshire interview (which I haven't heard). Perhaps a valuable lesson for our leader there? As I say on Sky he sounds calm, thoughtful and measured.

I have no problem unlike some with him airing the washing in public. As a fan I want to know however sensitive the players may be. But he should take himself off and try and calm down a bit before responding. Tricky for him I suspect.

The fact that I don't think he'll go to a club higher up yet is the reason I predicted back to back to back promotions for us under him!
Loyal, yes whole interview. He obviously did it after the radio Wiltshire interview (which I haven't heard). Perhaps a valuable lesson for our leader there? As I say on Sky he sounds calm, thoughtful and measured. I have no problem unlike some with him airing the washing in public. As a fan I want to know however sensitive the players may be. But he should take himself off and try and calm down a bit before responding. Tricky for him I suspect. The fact that I don't think he'll go to a club higher up yet is the reason I predicted back to back to back promotions for us under him! dreamofacleansheet2
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10:39am Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

Stilloyal wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Can I just re confirm having seen PDC's interview on Sky he was totally CALM. Not a rant at all. Whether its right or not debate away but for those who haven't seen it please don't make it up.
I don't know if they showed the whole interview on Sky dreams, but he certainly was ranting and swearing (the F word)on the BBC Wilts interview
Agreed. Possibly a different interview?
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Can I just re confirm having seen PDC's interview on Sky he was totally CALM. Not a rant at all. Whether its right or not debate away but for those who haven't seen it please don't make it up.[/p][/quote]I don't know if they showed the whole interview on Sky dreams, but he certainly was ranting and swearing (the F word)on the BBC Wilts interview[/p][/quote]Agreed. Possibly a different interview? Oi Den!
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10:40am Mon 3 Sep 12

chalkswindon says...

The more I think about the performance yesterday the more I agree with PDC decision to sub Wes.

Wes was not subbed for making a mistake, lets be clear on that, the mistake was 5mins he was subbed after 20mins.

He was subbed for his attitude on the pitch towards his teammates and more importantly towards his captain.

Alan Mc was telling him to calm down as was PDC, he didnt listen infact had a go back at Alan Mc.

I don't doubt for a single second that Wes was rushing his distribution to try and make up for his error, thing is 2-0 after 10 mins there is still 80mins to play and get back into it, Wes just showed over eagerness to make up for it.

It really was a tidal wave as we kept giving them the ball after every attack which just piled on the pressure.

It was after another poor throw out to Williams or Collins after an attack that PDC screamed at Bedwell to get on.

Basically Wes buckled under the pressure IMO and was not following the instructions of the coach/captain.

I was chatting to someone next to me in the ground and he said "They were playing like World beaters when I watched them at Stoke the other night but have turned up today as if they are really are world beaters"

PDC has this amazing attitude that we all buy into that we are going to win every game and he demands we do, however you have to wonder if he didnt get carried away with the we played like Barcelona comment the other night.

Perhaps he should have been saying to the players since the Stoke game, that they played great but no good beating Stoke one week and not Preston the next week.

Complancy has a fine line as does over confidence was it both or was it tiredness, either way the players did not go into the game with the right preperation they were either tired (Then use the rotation system) or over confident then bring them back down to earth in the build up to the game.

Either way its PDCs job to sort it out and he didnt hence him coming over at the end of the game and saying sorry to town fans and saying it was his fault and not the players.
The more I think about the performance yesterday the more I agree with PDC decision to sub Wes. Wes was not subbed for making a mistake, lets be clear on that, the mistake was 5mins he was subbed after 20mins. He was subbed for his attitude on the pitch towards his teammates and more importantly towards his captain. Alan Mc was telling him to calm down as was PDC, he didnt listen infact had a go back at Alan Mc. I don't doubt for a single second that Wes was rushing his distribution to try and make up for his error, thing is 2-0 after 10 mins there is still 80mins to play and get back into it, Wes just showed over eagerness to make up for it. It really was a tidal wave as we kept giving them the ball after every attack which just piled on the pressure. It was after another poor throw out to Williams or Collins after an attack that PDC screamed at Bedwell to get on. Basically Wes buckled under the pressure IMO and was not following the instructions of the coach/captain. I was chatting to someone next to me in the ground and he said "They were playing like World beaters when I watched them at Stoke the other night but have turned up today as if they are really are world beaters" PDC has this amazing attitude that we all buy into that we are going to win every game and he demands we do, however you have to wonder if he didnt get carried away with the we played like Barcelona comment the other night. Perhaps he should have been saying to the players since the Stoke game, that they played great but no good beating Stoke one week and not Preston the next week. Complancy has a fine line as does over confidence was it both or was it tiredness, either way the players did not go into the game with the right preperation they were either tired (Then use the rotation system) or over confident then bring them back down to earth in the build up to the game. Either way its PDCs job to sort it out and he didnt hence him coming over at the end of the game and saying sorry to town fans and saying it was his fault and not the players. chalkswindon
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10:40am Mon 3 Sep 12

Scribblemilk says...

Clough was a Genius, he also had the largest ego in football, it lost him the dressing room of Leeds and once that happens there is no going back.

PDC has those same character traits, a genius on one hand but such a huge ego on the other.

Clough learnt his lesson, and went on to great things, PDC needs to do the same, whether he is right or wrong about Wes, he is also to blame, saying Swindon played like Barcelona against Stoke and then complaining when players become arrogant is short sighted.

Wes may need to come down a peg or two, but do it behind closed doors, otherwise he will lose the players.

Swindon can't continue to ship out its best talent because PDC has thrown his toys out the pram again.

Wray needs to have a quiet word with PDC, he needs to learn from this, just as Wes does.

The adage that no one person is bigger than the club also applies to managers, as Clough found out after those 44 days at Leeds, PDC better learn soon rather than later, or this is all going to end in unnecessary tears.
Clough was a Genius, he also had the largest ego in football, it lost him the dressing room of Leeds and once that happens there is no going back. PDC has those same character traits, a genius on one hand but such a huge ego on the other. Clough learnt his lesson, and went on to great things, PDC needs to do the same, whether he is right or wrong about Wes, he is also to blame, saying Swindon played like Barcelona against Stoke and then complaining when players become arrogant is short sighted. Wes may need to come down a peg or two, but do it behind closed doors, otherwise he will lose the players. Swindon can't continue to ship out its best talent because PDC has thrown his toys out the pram again. Wray needs to have a quiet word with PDC, he needs to learn from this, just as Wes does. The adage that no one person is bigger than the club also applies to managers, as Clough found out after those 44 days at Leeds, PDC better learn soon rather than later, or this is all going to end in unnecessary tears. Scribblemilk
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10:44am Mon 3 Sep 12

El Che STFC says...

As much as I admire what PDC done for our club to date I must say I dnt agree with the way he handeled this situation.
I understand his disappointment with Wes actions after being subbed but his comments in the post match press conference are disgraceful.
He asks Wes who he thinks he is? I would ask the same question to Paolo, who do you think you are mate? He seems not to realise that despite all success last year he is still only a rookie manager who didnt really achieve anything yet. He gave the chance to Wes but forgot who gave him the chance to make his name in management world - Swindon Town FC.
For the sake of this I hope he will finally realise that this Club is more important than his private ambitions of being a so called 'infallible emperor' who is alway spot on with all decisions. I guess you can expect Wes to appologise to his team mates but at the same time PDC should appologise to fans for washing all dirt in public...
As much as I admire what PDC done for our club to date I must say I dnt agree with the way he handeled this situation. I understand his disappointment with Wes actions after being subbed but his comments in the post match press conference are disgraceful. He asks Wes who he thinks he is? I would ask the same question to Paolo, who do you think you are mate? He seems not to realise that despite all success last year he is still only a rookie manager who didnt really achieve anything yet. He gave the chance to Wes but forgot who gave him the chance to make his name in management world - Swindon Town FC. For the sake of this I hope he will finally realise that this Club is more important than his private ambitions of being a so called 'infallible emperor' who is alway spot on with all decisions. I guess you can expect Wes to appologise to his team mates but at the same time PDC should appologise to fans for washing all dirt in public... El Che STFC
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10:45am Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

aussieg wrote:
madterrier wrote: J-Ray has to step in on this, and quick. Players make mistakes, but as someone said, we will have no players left at this rate. The manager is in charge, but when he starts insulting players in public like this, he has to be reined in. There are ways of dealing with things, and this is not the way. As a club we have playing assets. Caddis and Fodders are two of the most valuable. Paolo is in danger of damaging the club's finances massively and the board cannot just stand by and ignore that.
Well said
You do realise there was no insulting don't you. Paolo substituted his keeper primarily because he was moaning at the others for his own mistakes.

The same happened at MK Dons and Stoke.

I imagine Wes is getting a bit big time, he is after all only a kid. Paolo is stopping the rot before it get terminal.

Surely this is fantastic management and we should count ourselves lucky we have a manager who is so professional and has such high standards??

Also it's great that Paolo has such a respect for the fans that he keeps us all in the loop whevener he makes a difficuly decision isn't it? Rather than lieing and keeping everyone in the dark, like most managers do.
[quote][p][bold]aussieg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: J-Ray has to step in on this, and quick. Players make mistakes, but as someone said, we will have no players left at this rate. The manager is in charge, but when he starts insulting players in public like this, he has to be reined in. There are ways of dealing with things, and this is not the way. As a club we have playing assets. Caddis and Fodders are two of the most valuable. Paolo is in danger of damaging the club's finances massively and the board cannot just stand by and ignore that.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]You do realise there was no insulting don't you. Paolo substituted his keeper primarily because he was moaning at the others for his own mistakes. The same happened at MK Dons and Stoke. I imagine Wes is getting a bit big time, he is after all only a kid. Paolo is stopping the rot before it get terminal. Surely this is fantastic management and we should count ourselves lucky we have a manager who is so professional and has such high standards?? Also it's great that Paolo has such a respect for the fans that he keeps us all in the loop whevener he makes a difficuly decision isn't it? Rather than lieing and keeping everyone in the dark, like most managers do. jam1
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10:48am Mon 3 Sep 12

Psychedelic Syd says...

No one feels a mistake more than a goalie because they only need to make a couple and everyone remembers them, outfield players can make several each match and people forget them. Wes has always come across as a modest and professional person. He is the best goalie I have seen here in 50 years - mention of his height by Di Canio is nonsense, Downsborough was smaller and up until now him/Fraser have been the 2 best we've had. Downsborough could make idiot mistakes and lose confidence rapidly - Stan Harland said he had to go over and give him a pep talk after Arsenal equalised at Wembley in '69 because he knew Peter D would lose it otherwise. Confidence is a huge part of a goalkeepers game. Unfortunately this debacle at such a young age for Wes could seriously affect his game and confidence. What chance Swindon had of getting something out of the game at Preston walked off with Wes - note the comment from the Preston fan in this thread, on the impact he noticed on the rest of our team. Poor man management at the time but even worse after the match to insist on a public apology to heap yet more humiliation on a young man who has done so much for our team. I rate Di Canio highly but this incident is sickening and he must show more awareness, humanity and maturity in the way he deals with players. At this rate the dressing room will get up and walk out on him - leaving him to rant in solitary confinement.
No one feels a mistake more than a goalie because they only need to make a couple and everyone remembers them, outfield players can make several each match and people forget them. Wes has always come across as a modest and professional person. He is the best goalie I have seen here in 50 years - mention of his height by Di Canio is nonsense, Downsborough was smaller and up until now him/Fraser have been the 2 best we've had. Downsborough could make idiot mistakes and lose confidence rapidly - Stan Harland said he had to go over and give him a pep talk after Arsenal equalised at Wembley in '69 because he knew Peter D would lose it otherwise. Confidence is a huge part of a goalkeepers game. Unfortunately this debacle at such a young age for Wes could seriously affect his game and confidence. What chance Swindon had of getting something out of the game at Preston walked off with Wes - note the comment from the Preston fan in this thread, on the impact he noticed on the rest of our team. Poor man management at the time but even worse after the match to insist on a public apology to heap yet more humiliation on a young man who has done so much for our team. I rate Di Canio highly but this incident is sickening and he must show more awareness, humanity and maturity in the way he deals with players. At this rate the dressing room will get up and walk out on him - leaving him to rant in solitary confinement. Psychedelic Syd
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10:49am Mon 3 Sep 12

Psychedelic Syd says...

No one feels a mistake more than a goalie because they only need to make a couple and everyone remembers them, outfield players can make several each match and people forget them. Wes has always come across as a modest and professional person. He is the best goalie I have seen here in 50 years - mention of his height by Di Canio is nonsense, Downsborough was smaller and up until now him/Fraser have been the 2 best we've had. Downsborough could make idiot mistakes and lose confidence rapidly - Stan Harland said he had to go over and give him a pep talk after Arsenal equalised at Wembley in '69 because he knew Peter D would lose it otherwise. Confidence is a huge part of a goalkeepers game. Unfortunately this debacle at such a young age for Wes could seriously affect his game and confidence. What chance Swindon had of getting something out of the game at Preston walked off with Wes - note the comment from the Preston fan in this thread, on the impact he noticed on the rest of our team. Poor man management at the time but even worse after the match to insist on a public apology to heap yet more humiliation on a young man who has done so much for our team. I rate Di Canio highly but this incident is sickening and he must show more awareness, humanity and maturity in the way he deals with players. At this rate the dressing room will get up and walk out on him - leaving him to rant in solitary confinement.
No one feels a mistake more than a goalie because they only need to make a couple and everyone remembers them, outfield players can make several each match and people forget them. Wes has always come across as a modest and professional person. He is the best goalie I have seen here in 50 years - mention of his height by Di Canio is nonsense, Downsborough was smaller and up until now him/Fraser have been the 2 best we've had. Downsborough could make idiot mistakes and lose confidence rapidly - Stan Harland said he had to go over and give him a pep talk after Arsenal equalised at Wembley in '69 because he knew Peter D would lose it otherwise. Confidence is a huge part of a goalkeepers game. Unfortunately this debacle at such a young age for Wes could seriously affect his game and confidence. What chance Swindon had of getting something out of the game at Preston walked off with Wes - note the comment from the Preston fan in this thread, on the impact he noticed on the rest of our team. Poor man management at the time but even worse after the match to insist on a public apology to heap yet more humiliation on a young man who has done so much for our team. I rate Di Canio highly but this incident is sickening and he must show more awareness, humanity and maturity in the way he deals with players. At this rate the dressing room will get up and walk out on him - leaving him to rant in solitary confinement. Psychedelic Syd
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10:59am Mon 3 Sep 12

Stilloyal says...

Wes is a giant compared to our keeper of the 60s. We had a bloke called Tony Hicks only 5.6 or 5.7 but a bl00dy decent keeper who coald fly horizontally from one post to the other.
Any other old timers remember him ? He was a milkman last time I saw him and his son Terry was a midfielder in my team.
Wes is a giant compared to our keeper of the 60s. We had a bloke called Tony Hicks only 5.6 or 5.7 but a bl00dy decent keeper who coald fly horizontally from one post to the other. Any other old timers remember him ? He was a milkman last time I saw him and his son Terry was a midfielder in my team. Stilloyal
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11:07am Mon 3 Sep 12

ciclosporindorset says...

My monetary support to stfc is minimal these days so I dont feel the right to be critical of the management, team or individuals. I know PdC wants to develop his working style with the players into a more mature one. He is aware of his shortcomings and its effects. He is also a Roman Warrior and will never completely change his suit of armour - nor should he want to. The old adage of knock em down and build em up seems to fit here. Paulo knows he is a work in progress. Lets hope Fodders realises this both about PdC and more importantly - himself.
My monetary support to stfc is minimal these days so I dont feel the right to be critical of the management, team or individuals. I know PdC wants to develop his working style with the players into a more mature one. He is aware of his shortcomings and its effects. He is also a Roman Warrior and will never completely change his suit of armour - nor should he want to. The old adage of knock em down and build em up seems to fit here. Paulo knows he is a work in progress. Lets hope Fodders realises this both about PdC and more importantly - himself. ciclosporindorset
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11:12am Mon 3 Sep 12

Wellfire says...

'You're crazy, you're sick in the head, You go f*** off!' - Paolo Di Canio, aged 28, to his then manager, Fabio Capello after being substituted.

Wes Foderingham is 21.
'You're crazy, you're sick in the head, You go f*** off!' - Paolo Di Canio, aged 28, to his then manager, Fabio Capello after being substituted. Wes Foderingham is 21. Wellfire
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11:12am Mon 3 Sep 12

Jovial says...


Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football

Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter
“ Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football ” Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter Jovial
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11:14am Mon 3 Sep 12

Psychedelic Syd says...

Stilloyal wrote:
Wes is a giant compared to our keeper of the 60s. We had a bloke called Tony Hicks only 5.6 or 5.7 but a bl00dy decent keeper who coald fly horizontally from one post to the other.
Any other old timers remember him ? He was a milkman last time I saw him and his son Terry was a midfielder in my team.
I remember Tony Hicks Stilloyal - he was amazing in the cup match away at West Ham when we drew 3-3 in the mid/late 60's, all of us were chanting his name. It didn't look possible that he could be good when he was so small but he played a blinder that day.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: Wes is a giant compared to our keeper of the 60s. We had a bloke called Tony Hicks only 5.6 or 5.7 but a bl00dy decent keeper who coald fly horizontally from one post to the other. Any other old timers remember him ? He was a milkman last time I saw him and his son Terry was a midfielder in my team.[/p][/quote]I remember Tony Hicks Stilloyal - he was amazing in the cup match away at West Ham when we drew 3-3 in the mid/late 60's, all of us were chanting his name. It didn't look possible that he could be good when he was so small but he played a blinder that day. Psychedelic Syd
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11:15am Mon 3 Sep 12

66taff says...

'sir wes' blah blah blah 'best keeper outside the premier league' blah blah blah 'irreplaceable' blah blah blah 'clean sheet record' blah blah blah.

And the league 2 goalkeeper of the season 2011 / 12 is....
'sir wes' blah blah blah 'best keeper outside the premier league' blah blah blah 'irreplaceable' blah blah blah 'clean sheet record' blah blah blah. And the league 2 goalkeeper of the season 2011 / 12 is.... 66taff
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11:18am Mon 3 Sep 12

chalkswindon says...

I saw the tweet from Rio, and felt like replying in fact I started typing a reply but gave up as I felt it would fall on deaf ears!
I saw the tweet from Rio, and felt like replying in fact I started typing a reply but gave up as I felt it would fall on deaf ears! chalkswindon
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11:26am Mon 3 Sep 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Rio should concentrate on his own form........
Rio should concentrate on his own form........ dreamofacleansheet2
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11:29am Mon 3 Sep 12

YateleyRed says...

Jovial wrote:
“ Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football ” Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter
And he is qualified to comment on the situation because:

He was there? No
He knows the people involved? No

He has a high opinion of himself? Mmmm
[quote][p][bold]Jovial[/bold] wrote: “ Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football ” Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter[/p][/quote]And he is qualified to comment on the situation because: He was there? No He knows the people involved? No He has a high opinion of himself? Mmmm YateleyRed
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11:34am Mon 3 Sep 12

RobinRobin says...

A lot of talk on here about losing the dressing room, but who knows what has been building up over the last few weeks in there. We've all noticed the niggles between Wes and the defence recently which by all accounts really escalated yesterday. Maybe it was because Wes had been splitting the dressing room that PDC had to take the action he did yesterday. Who knows - and if anybody does, please tell us.
A lot of talk on here about losing the dressing room, but who knows what has been building up over the last few weeks in there. We've all noticed the niggles between Wes and the defence recently which by all accounts really escalated yesterday. Maybe it was because Wes had been splitting the dressing room that PDC had to take the action he did yesterday. Who knows - and if anybody does, please tell us. RobinRobin
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11:35am Mon 3 Sep 12

pooroldsmiles says...

It's PDC's management mantra. And lets embrace it - it works.

Yes, it makes us feel slightly uncomfortable at times - but it's a thing called 'disruptive theory' (a global marketing theory). Taking the norm and breaking it to form a new, more effective way. It's something only the brave do - but it's effective. Ask Apple - how many people did Steve Jobs **** off on his way to success?

Yes, Wes has been great since he signed, but the true measure of his greatness is how he reacts to this now. Apologise and he keeps his shirt. Simple.

We'll get the reaction we require on Wed. PDC will be declared a genius again on here by the end of week.
It's PDC's management mantra. And lets embrace it - it works. Yes, it makes us feel slightly uncomfortable at times - but it's a thing called 'disruptive theory' (a global marketing theory). Taking the norm and breaking it to form a new, more effective way. It's something only the brave do - but it's effective. Ask Apple - how many people did Steve Jobs **** off on his way to success? Yes, Wes has been great since he signed, but the true measure of his greatness is how he reacts to this now. Apologise and he keeps his shirt. Simple. We'll get the reaction we require on Wed. PDC will be declared a genius again on here by the end of week. pooroldsmiles
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11:39am Mon 3 Sep 12

CountyGroundFaithfull says...

Young 'keeper Connor Thompson earlier tweeted something along the lines of ' Di Canio does much worse things behind the scenes that don't come out in public #TeamWez ' he then deleted that a few minutes later..
Young 'keeper Connor Thompson earlier tweeted something along the lines of ' Di Canio does much worse things behind the scenes that don't come out in public #TeamWez ' he then deleted that a few minutes later.. CountyGroundFaithfull
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11:43am Mon 3 Sep 12

Malkym says...

Psychedelic Syd wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
Wes is a giant compared to our keeper of the 60s. We had a bloke called Tony Hicks only 5.6 or 5.7 but a bl00dy decent keeper who coald fly horizontally from one post to the other.
Any other old timers remember him ? He was a milkman last time I saw him and his son Terry was a midfielder in my team.
I remember Tony Hicks Stilloyal - he was amazing in the cup match away at West Ham when we drew 3-3 in the mid/late 60's, all of us were chanting his name. It didn't look possible that he could be good when he was so small but he played a blinder that day.
Lol I remember hicks too never came across to me as flying across the goal but certainly not the worst keeper ever to wear a Town shirt..
[quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: Wes is a giant compared to our keeper of the 60s. We had a bloke called Tony Hicks only 5.6 or 5.7 but a bl00dy decent keeper who coald fly horizontally from one post to the other. Any other old timers remember him ? He was a milkman last time I saw him and his son Terry was a midfielder in my team.[/p][/quote]I remember Tony Hicks Stilloyal - he was amazing in the cup match away at West Ham when we drew 3-3 in the mid/late 60's, all of us were chanting his name. It didn't look possible that he could be good when he was so small but he played a blinder that day.[/p][/quote]Lol I remember hicks too never came across to me as flying across the goal but certainly not the worst keeper ever to wear a Town shirt.. Malkym
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11:44am Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

66taff wrote:
'sir wes' blah blah blah 'best keeper outside the premier league' blah blah blah 'irreplaceable' blah blah blah 'clean sheet record' blah blah blah.

And the league 2 goalkeeper of the season 2011 / 12 is....
Where is the relevance of that? Maybe Foderingham is not as good as some of us think (and maybe he is; after all Player of the Season awards are all about people's opinions. Didn't Ritchie win a divisional award but not get our Player of the Year?) But none of that changes or challenges the points made in this debate.
[quote][p][bold]66taff[/bold] wrote: 'sir wes' blah blah blah 'best keeper outside the premier league' blah blah blah 'irreplaceable' blah blah blah 'clean sheet record' blah blah blah. And the league 2 goalkeeper of the season 2011 / 12 is....[/p][/quote]Where is the relevance of that? Maybe Foderingham is not as good as some of us think (and maybe he is; after all Player of the Season awards are all about people's opinions. Didn't Ritchie win a divisional award but not get our Player of the Year?) But none of that changes or challenges the points made in this debate. Oi Den!
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11:45am Mon 3 Sep 12

dave bamber`s caravan says...

Lunch time press confrance from the county ground according to sky sports news......could be interesting!
Lunch time press confrance from the county ground according to sky sports news......could be interesting! dave bamber`s caravan
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11:50am Mon 3 Sep 12

themoonraker says...

Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac.
I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level?
No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart.
There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.
Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return. themoonraker
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11:54am Mon 3 Sep 12

66taff says...

YateleyRed wrote:
Jovial wrote:
“ Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football ” Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter
And he is qualified to comment on the situation because:

He was there? No
He knows the people involved? No

He has a high opinion of himself? Mmmm
Maybe because he's a hugely experienced pro who had his own discipline issues as a young player but learned to listen to the advice given him by a very strict manager, and subsequently is still at the same club with the same manager after 'a few years of reasonable success' !
[quote][p][bold]YateleyRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jovial[/bold] wrote: “ Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football ” Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter[/p][/quote]And he is qualified to comment on the situation because: He was there? No He knows the people involved? No He has a high opinion of himself? Mmmm[/p][/quote]Maybe because he's a hugely experienced pro who had his own discipline issues as a young player but learned to listen to the advice given him by a very strict manager, and subsequently is still at the same club with the same manager after 'a few years of reasonable success' ! 66taff
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11:55am Mon 3 Sep 12

Rememberscarborough says...

Jovial wrote:

Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football

Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter
You know it's ceased to become a football issue and more of a pantomime when this bloke starts tweeting about you!!

A hot headed inexperienced manager coupled with a hot headed inexperienced player is not a good mix. Both are obviously talented but if they're not careful both of them will be looking for jobs outside of football before realising how lucky they are.

Good luck (and peace?) for the rest of the season - Bolton fan
[quote][p][bold]Jovial[/bold] wrote: “ Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football ” Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter[/p][/quote]You know it's ceased to become a football issue and more of a pantomime when this bloke starts tweeting about you!! A hot headed inexperienced manager coupled with a hot headed inexperienced player is not a good mix. Both are obviously talented but if they're not careful both of them will be looking for jobs outside of football before realising how lucky they are. Good luck (and peace?) for the rest of the season - Bolton fan Rememberscarborough
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11:55am Mon 3 Sep 12

66taff says...

YateleyRed wrote:
Jovial wrote:
“ Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football ” Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter
And he is qualified to comment on the situation because:

He was there? No
He knows the people involved? No

He has a high opinion of himself? Mmmm
Maybe because he's a hugely experienced pro who had his own discipline issues as a young player but learned to listen to the advice given him by a very strict manager, and subsequently is still at the same club with the same manager after 'a few years of reasonable success' !
[quote][p][bold]YateleyRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jovial[/bold] wrote: “ Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football ” Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter[/p][/quote]And he is qualified to comment on the situation because: He was there? No He knows the people involved? No He has a high opinion of himself? Mmmm[/p][/quote]Maybe because he's a hugely experienced pro who had his own discipline issues as a young player but learned to listen to the advice given him by a very strict manager, and subsequently is still at the same club with the same manager after 'a few years of reasonable success' ! 66taff
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11:56am Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

themoonraker wrote:
Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.
He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.
[quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.[/p][/quote]He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at. jam1
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12:15pm Mon 3 Sep 12

avo says...

Oi Den! wrote:
avo wrote:
Oi Den! wrote: So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?
Hardly. A few people airing their observations from games so far. Is there a problem with that Den? . Do you have any on Wes's performances so far, we normally agree on players, so surely you must have noticed that he looks a bit uncertain when coming to punch? . His approach to commanding his area last season was far more reserved and I actually thought he looked a better keeper for it. I don't know of course, if this sudden charge of the light brigade approach in his box is something of his own doing or whether in fact he is being encouraged to do so by the coaching staff.
Avo, yes, I agree that his punching has been a little suspect. I think it was only last week that I said so on here. But that doesn't stop me from thinking his overall game is excellent. My point is that we seem to have quite a few people now telling us about his weaknesses when they haven't mentioned them before. But I gladly apologise if I have got that wrong.
it's not that you've got it wrong Den at all, it's more the point that surely, with Wes being the topic of debate or rather the subject, it seems the perfect time for people to comment on their observations so far this season, I am surprised that you reacted the way you did.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?[/p][/quote]Hardly. A few people airing their observations from games so far. Is there a problem with that Den? . Do you have any on Wes's performances so far, we normally agree on players, so surely you must have noticed that he looks a bit uncertain when coming to punch? . His approach to commanding his area last season was far more reserved and I actually thought he looked a better keeper for it. I don't know of course, if this sudden charge of the light brigade approach in his box is something of his own doing or whether in fact he is being encouraged to do so by the coaching staff.[/p][/quote]Avo, yes, I agree that his punching has been a little suspect. I think it was only last week that I said so on here. But that doesn't stop me from thinking his overall game is excellent. My point is that we seem to have quite a few people now telling us about his weaknesses when they haven't mentioned them before. But I gladly apologise if I have got that wrong.[/p][/quote]it's not that you've got it wrong Den at all, it's more the point that surely, with Wes being the topic of debate or rather the subject, it seems the perfect time for people to comment on their observations so far this season, I am surprised that you reacted the way you did. avo
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12:16pm Mon 3 Sep 12

35yrRED says...

Well, well, well........
Here we go....a lot of names on here that either:
A: Haven't been on here before or
B: Haven't been seen since the last time there was a chance of a bit of PDC knocking......
A bit like the stay away 'fans' really isn't it.The armchair ones that know exactly how to run a club because it say's so on Championship Manager!!!

Wes Foderingham has done well behind a VERY VERY good defence.
He was poor at Stoke...a fact hidden by a amazing result.
He has not looked as good in the early season has he did last year...this IS partly PDC's fault, he should have bought someone in that would push Wes and keep him on his toes just like every other position at the club.
People keep dragging up the past...Leone Clark...blah blah...Caddis..Blah blah...Drink gate...blah blah...
I have some for you as well...
League 2 Champions......Wembl
ey Final in the JPT....Good cup runs against higher opposition including Prem teams...Players improving greatly under his Managment blah blah blah...

Give it a rest...Wes is 20yrs old...he will make mistakes....his height will see him caught out in this division more than league 2 and it will certainly be exposed in the Championship IF we get there.
Yes PDC needs to learn what to do publicly and what not to do publicly.....but how many of you have shouted and hollered over the years to "GET HIM OFF" when a outfield player has been having a nightmare? Wes made crucial mistakes and then blamed everyone else....it was easy to see...A little too big for his boots at the moment and he needs to realise that not too long ago he was stuck as Crystal Palace's THIRD choice keeper...not getting any game time..PDC has treated him so badly hasn't he......grabbing him from that and making him first choice keeper in a team that he led to a Title. Wes, hold your hands up and admit YOU made mistakes, issue the appology that is required to those that you blamed and lets move on.

PDC wears his heart on his sleeve and is a easy target for the "Anti" brigade...I'm sure you would love to return to the "Andy King and Danny Wilson days"...me personally...I have watched PDC make some mistakes....I have watched him learn at a frightening rate and I have watched him make a Swindon Team that was going down faster than a Iraq fighter pilot into a strong team on the up.....

For me...lets get a keeper in that can either become no.1 or at least push Wes all the way and put this all down to experience.

COYR's
Well, well, well........ Here we go....a lot of names on here that either: A: Haven't been on here before or B: Haven't been seen since the last time there was a chance of a bit of PDC knocking...... A bit like the stay away 'fans' really isn't it.The armchair ones that know exactly how to run a club because it say's so on Championship Manager!!! Wes Foderingham has done well behind a VERY VERY good defence. He was poor at Stoke...a fact hidden by a amazing result. He has not looked as good in the early season has he did last year...this IS partly PDC's fault, he should have bought someone in that would push Wes and keep him on his toes just like every other position at the club. People keep dragging up the past...Leone Clark...blah blah...Caddis..Blah blah...Drink gate...blah blah... I have some for you as well... League 2 Champions......Wembl ey Final in the JPT....Good cup runs against higher opposition including Prem teams...Players improving greatly under his Managment blah blah blah... Give it a rest...Wes is 20yrs old...he will make mistakes....his height will see him caught out in this division more than league 2 and it will certainly be exposed in the Championship IF we get there. Yes PDC needs to learn what to do publicly and what not to do publicly.....but how many of you have shouted and hollered over the years to "GET HIM OFF" when a outfield player has been having a nightmare? Wes made crucial mistakes and then blamed everyone else....it was easy to see...A little too big for his boots at the moment and he needs to realise that not too long ago he was stuck as Crystal Palace's THIRD choice keeper...not getting any game time..PDC has treated him so badly hasn't he......grabbing him from that and making him first choice keeper in a team that he led to a Title. Wes, hold your hands up and admit YOU made mistakes, issue the appology that is required to those that you blamed and lets move on. PDC wears his heart on his sleeve and is a easy target for the "Anti" brigade...I'm sure you would love to return to the "Andy King and Danny Wilson days"...me personally...I have watched PDC make some mistakes....I have watched him learn at a frightening rate and I have watched him make a Swindon Team that was going down faster than a Iraq fighter pilot into a strong team on the up..... For me...lets get a keeper in that can either become no.1 or at least push Wes all the way and put this all down to experience. COYR's 35yrRED
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12:18pm Mon 3 Sep 12

London Red says...

There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here
.
1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes!
.
The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind
.
Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read)
.
Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this
.
2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses
.
I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts!
.
You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare!
.
No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes
.
This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!!
.
As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him!
.
People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is!
.
The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!!
.
Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off!
.
Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox!
.
Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!!
.
In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that
.
A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter
.
As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!
There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path! London Red
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12:20pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Terryswin says...

Since 1950 wrote:
In the first instance Paolo is right. Wes was having a mare (no, I wasn't there either, but as reported by BBC Wilts via stfc player) so why shouldn't he be subbed for both his form and attitude? Maybe he shouldn't have started. You can judge for yourselves if the 'keepers reaction was 'professional'.
However, there is a worrying trend developing with Paolo's attitude to players who transgress his rules for one second or challenge him in any way. There is no second chance - Paolo's way or the highway. A la Caddis. He doesn't seem to be capable of taking players aside and sorting problems out. At least we haven't seen any evidence of it. Paolo's solution is 'get out of the club'. I agree with those who say this can't be allowed to continue. I am sure that Mr Wray, though a quite and reasonable man in his comments to the media, will have had enough and will have a chat. He should also tell him that while fans like his open and honest post match interviews, he should resist giving his players a public b********g.
Lou had the same sort of problem when he left us for West Ham. He ruled with a rod of iron here. He tried the same at Hammers and got kicked out, basically by the players in the end who revolted against his managerial style. That is why Paolo wont be going far from Swindon any time soon.
Love him or hate him (and I'm still a fan of his) there is never a dull moment!

COYR!
P D C Was right ,,,,, wes got a bit big headed, thinking he was a cert to have place in the team. He did have a bad game at stoke. but the result covered his performance. Today he had bad ten minutes,,,,, and when he went of the pitch, his attitude was totally out of order... I agree with P D C .on this...........I back P D C , all the time ,,,, best manager since ,LOU”
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: In the first instance Paolo is right. Wes was having a mare (no, I wasn't there either, but as reported by BBC Wilts via stfc player) so why shouldn't he be subbed for both his form and attitude? Maybe he shouldn't have started. You can judge for yourselves if the 'keepers reaction was 'professional'. However, there is a worrying trend developing with Paolo's attitude to players who transgress his rules for one second or challenge him in any way. There is no second chance - Paolo's way or the highway. A la Caddis. He doesn't seem to be capable of taking players aside and sorting problems out. At least we haven't seen any evidence of it. Paolo's solution is 'get out of the club'. I agree with those who say this can't be allowed to continue. I am sure that Mr Wray, though a quite and reasonable man in his comments to the media, will have had enough and will have a chat. He should also tell him that while fans like his open and honest post match interviews, he should resist giving his players a public b********g. Lou had the same sort of problem when he left us for West Ham. He ruled with a rod of iron here. He tried the same at Hammers and got kicked out, basically by the players in the end who revolted against his managerial style. That is why Paolo wont be going far from Swindon any time soon. Love him or hate him (and I'm still a fan of his) there is never a dull moment! COYR![/p][/quote]P D C Was right ,,,,, wes got a bit big headed, thinking he was a cert to have place in the team. He did have a bad game at stoke. but the result covered his performance. Today he had bad ten minutes,,,,, and when he went of the pitch, his attitude was totally out of order... I agree with P D C .on this...........I back P D C , all the time ,,,, best manager since ,LOU” Terryswin
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12:21pm Mon 3 Sep 12

themoonraker says...

jam1 wrote:
themoonraker wrote:
Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.
He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.
.....So why single him out when he was rubbishing the performance of the majority of the team and saying that he was going to make multiple changes for the Oxford game?
I love and support STFC, not PDCFC or WFFC (as examples)....I'm afaid it sounded, to me, like a personal attack on JayMac, and that should not be done publically.(imo)
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.[/p][/quote]He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.[/p][/quote].....So why single him out when he was rubbishing the performance of the majority of the team and saying that he was going to make multiple changes for the Oxford game? I love and support STFC, not PDCFC or WFFC (as examples)....I'm afaid it sounded, to me, like a personal attack on JayMac, and that should not be done publically.(imo) themoonraker
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12:21pm Mon 3 Sep 12

the don69 says...

Malkym wrote:
Psychedelic Syd wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
Wes is a giant compared to our keeper of the 60s. We had a bloke called Tony Hicks only 5.6 or 5.7 but a bl00dy decent keeper who coald fly horizontally from one post to the other.
Any other old timers remember him ? He was a milkman last time I saw him and his son Terry was a midfielder in my team.
I remember Tony Hicks Stilloyal - he was amazing in the cup match away at West Ham when we drew 3-3 in the mid/late 60's, all of us were chanting his name. It didn't look possible that he could be good when he was so small but he played a blinder that day.
Lol I remember hicks too never came across to me as flying across the goal but certainly not the worst keeper ever to wear a Town shirt..
Yeah used to deliver our milk!he was a better Milkman than he was keeper lol(only joking)For 5ft 6in he was a darn good keeper(easy to lob though)!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: Wes is a giant compared to our keeper of the 60s. We had a bloke called Tony Hicks only 5.6 or 5.7 but a bl00dy decent keeper who coald fly horizontally from one post to the other. Any other old timers remember him ? He was a milkman last time I saw him and his son Terry was a midfielder in my team.[/p][/quote]I remember Tony Hicks Stilloyal - he was amazing in the cup match away at West Ham when we drew 3-3 in the mid/late 60's, all of us were chanting his name. It didn't look possible that he could be good when he was so small but he played a blinder that day.[/p][/quote]Lol I remember hicks too never came across to me as flying across the goal but certainly not the worst keeper ever to wear a Town shirt..[/p][/quote]Yeah used to deliver our milk!he was a better Milkman than he was keeper lol(only joking)For 5ft 6in he was a darn good keeper(easy to lob though)!!!!!! the don69
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12:26pm Mon 3 Sep 12

35yrRED says...

London Red wrote:
There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here
.
1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes!
.
The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind
.
Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read)
.
Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this
.
2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses
.
I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts!
.
You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare!
.
No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes
.
This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!!
.
As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him!
.
People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is!
.
The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!!
.
Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off!
.
Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox!
.
Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!!
.
In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that
.
A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter
.
As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!
Excellent post!!!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path![/p][/quote]Excellent post!!! 35yrRED
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12:26pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Hampshire_ReD says...

After the Stoke result.. I was absolutely relishing the chance at hammering the Pox, in style.

Realistically, we're now without Wes on Wednesday (short of a quick apology), and the team's confidence will have been dented by PNE.

..down to earth with a bang.
After the Stoke result.. I was absolutely relishing the chance at hammering the Pox, in style. Realistically, we're now without Wes on Wednesday (short of a quick apology), and the team's confidence will have been dented by PNE. ..down to earth with a bang. Hampshire_ReD
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12:31pm Mon 3 Sep 12

avo says...

35yr Red
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You make good points apart from the stay away fans and armchair fan bits, please don't tar all with a generalisation like that. Many have differing reasons for their absence..
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Anyone lend me 20 quid for the next game?
35yr Red . You make good points apart from the stay away fans and armchair fan bits, please don't tar all with a generalisation like that. Many have differing reasons for their absence.. . Anyone lend me 20 quid for the next game? avo
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12:31pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

35yrRED wrote:
London Red wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!
Excellent post!!!
A man who talks sense. I think the problem is some just write without really thinking and others just like to jump on the anti paolo bandwagon when they can latch on to something negative.
[quote][p][bold]35yrRED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path![/p][/quote]Excellent post!!![/p][/quote]A man who talks sense. I think the problem is some just write without really thinking and others just like to jump on the anti paolo bandwagon when they can latch on to something negative. jam1
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12:31pm Mon 3 Sep 12

35yrRED says...

themoonraker wrote:
jam1 wrote:
themoonraker wrote:
Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.
He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.
.....So why single him out when he was rubbishing the performance of the majority of the team and saying that he was going to make multiple changes for the Oxford game?
I love and support STFC, not PDCFC or WFFC (as examples)....I'm afaid it sounded, to me, like a personal attack on JayMac, and that should not be done publically.(imo)
PDC did not just stop at Jay...he used him as an example before adding that it was a shame he could only change 5 of them for the match against Oxford otherwise he would have "CHANGED ALL OF THEM"......Now if he would have went through each and every player critisising them and saying they played very badly (Which they did) instead of stopping himself after Jay and collectivley blaming the team I'm sure you would have been on here saying "Why did he go through them one by one and tear them apart??? he should have just said the whole team"......yes in the heat of that disapointment he mentioned a name...but stessed that ALL of them played badly not just Jay.
[quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.[/p][/quote]He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.[/p][/quote].....So why single him out when he was rubbishing the performance of the majority of the team and saying that he was going to make multiple changes for the Oxford game? I love and support STFC, not PDCFC or WFFC (as examples)....I'm afaid it sounded, to me, like a personal attack on JayMac, and that should not be done publically.(imo)[/p][/quote]PDC did not just stop at Jay...he used him as an example before adding that it was a shame he could only change 5 of them for the match against Oxford otherwise he would have "CHANGED ALL OF THEM"......Now if he would have went through each and every player critisising them and saying they played very badly (Which they did) instead of stopping himself after Jay and collectivley blaming the team I'm sure you would have been on here saying "Why did he go through them one by one and tear them apart??? he should have just said the whole team"......yes in the heat of that disapointment he mentioned a name...but stessed that ALL of them played badly not just Jay. 35yrRED
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12:33pm Mon 3 Sep 12

red white says...

General di Canio rules,normal service will resume shortly!
General di Canio rules,normal service will resume shortly! red white
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12:35pm Mon 3 Sep 12

chalkswindon says...

Couldnt agree more with your post London Red.
Couldnt agree more with your post London Red. chalkswindon
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12:38pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

35yrRED wrote:
themoonraker wrote:
jam1 wrote:
themoonraker wrote: Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.
He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.
.....So why single him out when he was rubbishing the performance of the majority of the team and saying that he was going to make multiple changes for the Oxford game? I love and support STFC, not PDCFC or WFFC (as examples)....I'm afaid it sounded, to me, like a personal attack on JayMac, and that should not be done publically.(imo)
PDC did not just stop at Jay...he used him as an example before adding that it was a shame he could only change 5 of them for the match against Oxford otherwise he would have "CHANGED ALL OF THEM"......Now if he would have went through each and every player critisising them and saying they played very badly (Which they did) instead of stopping himself after Jay and collectivley blaming the team I'm sure you would have been on here saying "Why did he go through them one by one and tear them apart??? he should have just said the whole team"......yes in the heat of that disapointment he mentioned a name...but stessed that ALL of them played badly not just Jay.
Thank you!
[quote][p][bold]35yrRED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.[/p][/quote]He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.[/p][/quote].....So why single him out when he was rubbishing the performance of the majority of the team and saying that he was going to make multiple changes for the Oxford game? I love and support STFC, not PDCFC or WFFC (as examples)....I'm afaid it sounded, to me, like a personal attack on JayMac, and that should not be done publically.(imo)[/p][/quote]PDC did not just stop at Jay...he used him as an example before adding that it was a shame he could only change 5 of them for the match against Oxford otherwise he would have "CHANGED ALL OF THEM"......Now if he would have went through each and every player critisising them and saying they played very badly (Which they did) instead of stopping himself after Jay and collectivley blaming the team I'm sure you would have been on here saying "Why did he go through them one by one and tear them apart??? he should have just said the whole team"......yes in the heat of that disapointment he mentioned a name...but stessed that ALL of them played badly not just Jay.[/p][/quote]Thank you! jam1
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12:40pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Rebel_phish says...

London Red wrote:
There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here
.
1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes!
.
The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind
.
Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read)
.
Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this
.
2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses
.
I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts!
.
You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare!
.
No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes
.
This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!!
.
As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him!
.
People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is!
.
The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!!
.
Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off!
.
Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox!
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Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!!
.
In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that
.
A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter
.
As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!
Good post LR.

People need to calm down and let the dust settle. As usual posters are commenting without all the facts. PdC knows what is going on and will deal with the issues. He is the boss afterall. Fans may not like it but he is
doing it ultimately for the best interest of the club
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path![/p][/quote]Good post LR. People need to calm down and let the dust settle. As usual posters are commenting without all the facts. PdC knows what is going on and will deal with the issues. He is the boss afterall. Fans may not like it but he is doing it ultimately for the best interest of the club Rebel_phish
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12:41pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Wilesy says...

jam1 wrote:
themoonraker wrote: Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.
He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.
Bit harsh to say Jay has been shocking. I think he has linked up well with De Vita. He did look tired against Stoke before the bang on the head, he just needs a rest.

Paolo wanted to see how the players reacted after the big cup win which was why Jay played as last time after Brighton we were poor v Hartlepool. He wanted to see if that was a one-off but it wasn't so a lesson learnt that he should have rotated the squad as he admitted at the start of the interview.

Whilst his post match interview was harsh and people saying don't do that in public,he was obviously steaming at Wes's reaction to being subbed.

Got to back Paolo here, he is the manager and he is entitled to sub who he wants when he wants without getting an earful and water bottles getting kicked. You could say that Wes has publicly embarrassed Paolo with those actions. It was obvious to anyone that Paolo was going to go off on one after that so Wes can't be too surprised that it happened.

Whilst Wes is well regarded three quarters of a season in League 2 does not make him big time. To all those who said we don't need a decent back-up keeper just dip into the loan market etc this proves the point that we do need a decent back-up. I see Bedwell as a number three, who could do with time on loan to improve, very risky to throw him into the Oxford game for a full starting debut if that's the outcome.

A Wes apology is required in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.[/p][/quote]He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.[/p][/quote]Bit harsh to say Jay has been shocking. I think he has linked up well with De Vita. He did look tired against Stoke before the bang on the head, he just needs a rest. Paolo wanted to see how the players reacted after the big cup win which was why Jay played as last time after Brighton we were poor v Hartlepool. He wanted to see if that was a one-off but it wasn't so a lesson learnt that he should have rotated the squad as he admitted at the start of the interview. Whilst his post match interview was harsh and people saying don't do that in public,he was obviously steaming at Wes's reaction to being subbed. Got to back Paolo here, he is the manager and he is entitled to sub who he wants when he wants without getting an earful and water bottles getting kicked. You could say that Wes has publicly embarrassed Paolo with those actions. It was obvious to anyone that Paolo was going to go off on one after that so Wes can't be too surprised that it happened. Whilst Wes is well regarded three quarters of a season in League 2 does not make him big time. To all those who said we don't need a decent back-up keeper just dip into the loan market etc this proves the point that we do need a decent back-up. I see Bedwell as a number three, who could do with time on loan to improve, very risky to throw him into the Oxford game for a full starting debut if that's the outcome. A Wes apology is required in my opinion. Wilesy
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12:41pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

jam1 wrote:
35yrRED wrote:
London Red wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!
Excellent post!!!
A man who talks sense. I think the problem is some just write without really thinking and others just like to jump on the anti paolo bandwagon when they can latch on to something negative.
And there are those who jump on the pro-PDC bandwagon and defend everything he says or does. It's not about being pro-Di Canio or pro-Foderingham; it's about being pro-Swindon. I want both men to be part of the future of Swindon Town. But it cannot be denied that there have been too many of these fall-outs, nor that PDC is the common denominator, and I am convinced he has to find a better way of handling players.
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]35yrRED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path![/p][/quote]Excellent post!!![/p][/quote]A man who talks sense. I think the problem is some just write without really thinking and others just like to jump on the anti paolo bandwagon when they can latch on to something negative.[/p][/quote]And there are those who jump on the pro-PDC bandwagon and defend everything he says or does. It's not about being pro-Di Canio or pro-Foderingham; it's about being pro-Swindon. I want both men to be part of the future of Swindon Town. But it cannot be denied that there have been too many of these fall-outs, nor that PDC is the common denominator, and I am convinced he has to find a better way of handling players. Oi Den!
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12:41pm Mon 3 Sep 12

fatman says...

Stilloyal I was at Newcastle for a town game , when the team came out the Newcastle fans laughed at him , but the same fans clapped him off after an amazing preformence , I think we drew 0 0
Stilloyal I was at Newcastle for a town game , when the team came out the Newcastle fans laughed at him , but the same fans clapped him off after an amazing preformence , I think we drew 0 0 fatman
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12:46pm Mon 3 Sep 12

VinnyPericard says...

Whilst I'm not condoning his behaviour by any stretch you could probably count on one hand the amount of times a keeper has been subbed without injury in the first 20 odd minutes. It is absolutely humiliating for that to happen to a goalkeeper. I don't think many people react well when humiliated. I hope that Paolo see's sense and this blows over. First Caddis and now Wes, it is a little worrying and I wonder what this does for morale in the team. He's still a young lad and needs guidance. This might have been too harsh a lesson. If he wasn't happy, he should have started Bedwell in the first place. That way at least its dignified.
Whilst I'm not condoning his behaviour by any stretch you could probably count on one hand the amount of times a keeper has been subbed without injury in the first 20 odd minutes. It is absolutely humiliating for that to happen to a goalkeeper. I don't think many people react well when humiliated. I hope that Paolo see's sense and this blows over. First Caddis and now Wes, it is a little worrying and I wonder what this does for morale in the team. He's still a young lad and needs guidance. This might have been too harsh a lesson. If he wasn't happy, he should have started Bedwell in the first place. That way at least its dignified. VinnyPericard
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12:48pm Mon 3 Sep 12

hertz says...

So Jeremy Wray took a tour of the stadium up at Preston and he wants to model STFC on the Preston ground , what did the travelling fans think of th ground ? COYR
So Jeremy Wray took a tour of the stadium up at Preston and he wants to model STFC on the Preston ground , what did the travelling fans think of th ground ? COYR hertz
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12:50pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
jam1 wrote:
35yrRED wrote:
London Red wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!
Excellent post!!!
A man who talks sense. I think the problem is some just write without really thinking and others just like to jump on the anti paolo bandwagon when they can latch on to something negative.
And there are those who jump on the pro-PDC bandwagon and defend everything he says or does. It's not about being pro-Di Canio or pro-Foderingham; it's about being pro-Swindon. I want both men to be part of the future of Swindon Town. But it cannot be denied that there have been too many of these fall-outs, nor that PDC is the common denominator, and I am convinced he has to find a better way of handling players.
There are many fall outs in every club up and down the country. The main difference is that our manager see the fans as the most important part of the club and for that reason he keeps us informed as to why he has made a certain decision.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]35yrRED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path![/p][/quote]Excellent post!!![/p][/quote]A man who talks sense. I think the problem is some just write without really thinking and others just like to jump on the anti paolo bandwagon when they can latch on to something negative.[/p][/quote]And there are those who jump on the pro-PDC bandwagon and defend everything he says or does. It's not about being pro-Di Canio or pro-Foderingham; it's about being pro-Swindon. I want both men to be part of the future of Swindon Town. But it cannot be denied that there have been too many of these fall-outs, nor that PDC is the common denominator, and I am convinced he has to find a better way of handling players.[/p][/quote]There are many fall outs in every club up and down the country. The main difference is that our manager see the fans as the most important part of the club and for that reason he keeps us informed as to why he has made a certain decision. jam1
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12:50pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Carlo says...

Synthesizer Jones wrote:
We won't have any players left at this rate. Foderingham has been excellent since he joined; the best keeper we've had since Fraser Digby. He's got nothing to apologise for and shouldn't have to put up with being insulted byDi Canio in the press. If anyone should be apologising, it should be the manager who is more than happy to claim the adulation for victory but quick to point the finger of blame for failure. Caddis, Foderingham, who next?
If you listened to his post match interview, Paolo did apologise for the defeat and blamed himself.

Now it's Wes's turn, as he acted like a complete **** / kid after being substituted.
[quote][p][bold]Synthesizer Jones[/bold] wrote: We won't have any players left at this rate. Foderingham has been excellent since he joined; the best keeper we've had since Fraser Digby. He's got nothing to apologise for and shouldn't have to put up with being insulted byDi Canio in the press. If anyone should be apologising, it should be the manager who is more than happy to claim the adulation for victory but quick to point the finger of blame for failure. Caddis, Foderingham, who next?[/p][/quote]If you listened to his post match interview, Paolo did apologise for the defeat and blamed himself. Now it's Wes's turn, as he acted like a complete **** / kid after being substituted. Carlo
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12:51pm Mon 3 Sep 12

dacoo says...

Had enough time to think about this one and listen to a lot of peoples views (those involved, fans that were and weren't there). Initially I questioned the decision to pull wes off the pitch after 20 mins (so much so i stopped listening and went to the pub). But now I have to agree with Paolo. It's his ship and he needs his players to be on top form and we all know he demands total professionalism at all times. If players are getting ahead of themselves then he needs to pull them back in line. admittedly he could've done it at half time in the dressing room but if he's seen enough who are we to argue. More than happy with the job he's been doing! Paolo is still learning his trade too, he'll have learnt from the past week or so (he always seems to).

Don't forget the one of the reasons we ended up in league 2 to start with....cliques and big time charlies ;)
Had enough time to think about this one and listen to a lot of peoples views (those involved, fans that were and weren't there). Initially I questioned the decision to pull wes off the pitch after 20 mins (so much so i stopped listening and went to the pub). But now I have to agree with Paolo. It's his ship and he needs his players to be on top form and we all know he demands total professionalism at all times. If players are getting ahead of themselves then he needs to pull them back in line. admittedly he could've done it at half time in the dressing room but if he's seen enough who are we to argue. More than happy with the job he's been doing! Paolo is still learning his trade too, he'll have learnt from the past week or so (he always seems to). Don't forget the one of the reasons we ended up in league 2 to start with....cliques and big time charlies ;) dacoo
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12:59pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

What see wrong in this decision I do not know -


"He was one of the worst players I have ever seen," said Di Canio.

"He's another player like the others, why can't we change the goalkeeper? Because the goalkeeper has a different coloured shirt?

"I know Wes, he was the worst player against Stoke in the cup - he was far away the worst player, he made a rubbish performance. But I covered for him because we won 4-3. But what he did was not only the mistake, which can happen to anyone, but the arrogance when he started moaning to the other players - that was the worst thing for me.

"A player that doesn't recognise his mistakes which were clear from miles away, he started moaning to his team-mates. Out there he behaved as the worst professional, arrogant, ignorant athlete I have ever seen. And if he doesn't come out and apologise to the fans, to the professionals in general, he is out from my team."

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What see wrong in this decision I do not know - "He was one of the worst players I have ever seen," said Di Canio. "He's another player like the others, why can't we change the goalkeeper? Because the goalkeeper has a different coloured shirt? "I know Wes, he was the worst player against Stoke in the cup - he was far away the worst player, he made a rubbish performance. But I covered for him because we won 4-3. But what he did was not only the mistake, which can happen to anyone, but the arrogance when he started moaning to the other players - that was the worst thing for me. "A player that doesn't recognise his mistakes which were clear from miles away, he started moaning to his team-mates. Out there he behaved as the worst professional, arrogant, ignorant athlete I have ever seen. And if he doesn't come out and apologise to the fans, to the professionals in general, he is out from my team." . jam1
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1:01pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

"He was one of the worst players I have ever seen," said Di Canio.

"He's another player like the others, why can't we change the goalkeeper? Because the goalkeeper has a different coloured shirt?

"I know Wes, he was the worst player against Stoke in the cup - he was far away the worst player, he made a rubbish performance. But I covered for him because we won 4-3. But what he did was not only the mistake, which can happen to anyone, but the arrogance when he started moaning to the other players - that was the worst thing for me.

"A player that doesn't recognise his mistakes which were clear from miles away, he started moaning to his team-mates. Out there he behaved as the worst professional, arrogant, ignorant athlete I have ever seen. And if he doesn't come out and apologise to the fans, to the professionals in general, he is out from my team."

.
"He was one of the worst players I have ever seen," said Di Canio. "He's another player like the others, why can't we change the goalkeeper? Because the goalkeeper has a different coloured shirt? "I know Wes, he was the worst player against Stoke in the cup - he was far away the worst player, he made a rubbish performance. But I covered for him because we won 4-3. But what he did was not only the mistake, which can happen to anyone, but the arrogance when he started moaning to the other players - that was the worst thing for me. "A player that doesn't recognise his mistakes which were clear from miles away, he started moaning to his team-mates. Out there he behaved as the worst professional, arrogant, ignorant athlete I have ever seen. And if he doesn't come out and apologise to the fans, to the professionals in general, he is out from my team." . jam1
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1:03pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Albanov says...

I'm a PNE supporter and I've been interested to read the views of Swindon fans here on the Wes Foderingham affair yesterday. To be honest,I was quite amazed when PDC took him off - something I have never witnessed in more than 50 years of watching football (I thought it was a poor backpass to him in the first place). One can only guess at how the keeper was feeling as he humiliatingly trudged to the tunnel - to the catcalls of more than 10,000 people. I wonder how Di Canio himself would have reacted when he was 20 years old? In fact, I found Di Canio's touchline antics throughout the whole match to be quite bizarre - constantly (and most theatrically) turning to his coaching staff, forever finger-wagging and gesticulating wildly to them as if they themselves were responsible each time a player made a mistake. I could only describe it as show-boating for the crowd. Then to subsequently waffle on about his keeper's height - saying he is 181cm (he's actually 185cm or 6'-1") is poor judgement. (The substitute keeper, who played okay, is 178cm (5'-10") but looked as though a good dinner wouldn't go amiss. You have some good players in the team - I wish you well, but I just hope your eccentric manager doesn't ruin the confidence of some of them.
I'm a PNE supporter and I've been interested to read the views of Swindon fans here on the Wes Foderingham affair yesterday. To be honest,I was quite amazed when PDC took him off - something I have never witnessed in more than 50 years of watching football (I thought it was a poor backpass to him in the first place). One can only guess at how the keeper was feeling as he humiliatingly trudged to the tunnel - to the catcalls of more than 10,000 people. I wonder how Di Canio himself would have reacted when he was 20 years old? In fact, I found Di Canio's touchline antics throughout the whole match to be quite bizarre - constantly (and most theatrically) turning to his coaching staff, forever finger-wagging and gesticulating wildly to them as if they themselves were responsible each time a player made a mistake. I could only describe it as show-boating for the crowd. Then to subsequently waffle on about his keeper's height - saying he is 181cm (he's actually 185cm or 6'-1") is poor judgement. (The substitute keeper, who played okay, is 178cm (5'-10") but looked as though a good dinner wouldn't go amiss. You have some good players in the team - I wish you well, but I just hope your eccentric manager doesn't ruin the confidence of some of them. Albanov
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1:04pm Mon 3 Sep 12

chalkswindon says...

hertz wrote:
So Jeremy Wray took a tour of the stadium up at Preston and he wants to model STFC on the Preston ground , what did the travelling fans think of th ground ? COYR
Im from Blackpool and know a bit about the way the Preston ground has been funded, basically they use every inch of space they can for bringing in extra revenue.

They have a gym there, they have NHS offices there they used to have the Museum, bascially it has been built to be self funding, and in use as much as possible on Non Match days.

Not forgetting of course they raise sufficent income from charging nearly £4 a bottle of beer inside the stands!
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: So Jeremy Wray took a tour of the stadium up at Preston and he wants to model STFC on the Preston ground , what did the travelling fans think of th ground ? COYR[/p][/quote]Im from Blackpool and know a bit about the way the Preston ground has been funded, basically they use every inch of space they can for bringing in extra revenue. They have a gym there, they have NHS offices there they used to have the Museum, bascially it has been built to be self funding, and in use as much as possible on Non Match days. Not forgetting of course they raise sufficent income from charging nearly £4 a bottle of beer inside the stands! chalkswindon
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1:06pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

Jam1, you've summed it up well. Fall-outs happen at every club, as they do in every aspect of life. I think we just disagree on the way to handle them.
Jam1, you've summed it up well. Fall-outs happen at every club, as they do in every aspect of life. I think we just disagree on the way to handle them. Oi Den!
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1:06pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stutest says...

Well I tried to keep out of this, but as everyone and their dog is having a go I'll put my two pennyworth in.
Firstly Wes was substituted for his reaction to making some mistakes,not for the mistakes alone. PDC has a short fuse sometimes and is prepared too make early changes, thats his choice and I back him on that.
Wes is still a baby in goalkeping terms and has a lot learn and a long way to go before he realises his unquestionable potential.
He needs to man up and accept responsibility when he errs, this will help him stay calm and improve. He's only 20 so he has time , this all a learning process.
PDC also needs to take a step back and consider if his aftermatch response has actually helped, because I dont think it has.
Fially, This result has emphasised how tough this season could get. Many of us thought this year would be relatively straightforward but I think not. We have conceded four goals before and no doubt will again, but if we learn our lessons we can still prosper this season,it's very early yet so lets not panic.
Remember Rome wasn't built in a day.
My display on the pc is about two inches wide and two lines high so if my puntuation and spelling looks a bit dodgy then I apologise.
Well I tried to keep out of this, but as everyone and their dog is having a go I'll put my two pennyworth in. Firstly Wes was substituted for his reaction to making some mistakes,not for the mistakes alone. PDC has a short fuse sometimes and is prepared too make early changes, thats his choice and I back him on that. Wes is still a baby in goalkeping terms and has a lot learn and a long way to go before he realises his unquestionable potential. He needs to man up and accept responsibility when he errs, this will help him stay calm and improve. He's only 20 so he has time , this all a learning process. PDC also needs to take a step back and consider if his aftermatch response has actually helped, because I dont think it has. Fially, This result has emphasised how tough this season could get. Many of us thought this year would be relatively straightforward but I think not. We have conceded four goals before and no doubt will again, but if we learn our lessons we can still prosper this season,it's very early yet so lets not panic. Remember Rome wasn't built in a day. My display on the pc is about two inches wide and two lines high so if my puntuation and spelling looks a bit dodgy then I apologise. stutest
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1:09pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

London Red wrote:
There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here
.
1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes!
.
The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind
.
Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read)
.
Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this
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2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses
.
I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts!
.
You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare!
.
No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes
.
This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!!
.
As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him!
.
People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is!
.
The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!!
.
Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off!
.
Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox!
.
Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!!
.
In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that
.
A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter
.
As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!
London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess.
A public apology is needed!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path![/p][/quote]London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess. A public apology is needed! swwindon61uk
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1:11pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Redgollum says...

The-Swindon-Man wrote:
Di Canio, you're the one who needs to come out and apologies not only to Wes, but to me and the other fans who drove all the way up to Preston yesterday.

Wes does NOT need to say sorry.

Di Canio's actions yesterday - I haven't felt so embarrassed to be a Swindon fan.

We have one of the best keepers outside the premier league here. Why spoil it?

Di Canio falls out with players and blames the player for being a fool and having a bad attitude etc (I'll use as Caddis an example). I always backed Di Canio, but after yesterday, I'm starting to think twice.

I can see Di Canio losing the dressing room soon (sorry but that's just my opinion)

Rant over...
Totally agree. The guy makes Hitler look like a HR manager. We cannot afford to let his ego get rid of our good players. To replace the ones that go is costly. And, anyway, he signed most of them in the first place, so if he doesn't like their attitude or skills, whose judgment is at fault?
I am sure that he could b****r off & get a job elsewhere, leave us in the proverbial, with our best players having gone. Wray has to bite the bullet now.
[quote][p][bold]The-Swindon-Man[/bold] wrote: Di Canio, you're the one who needs to come out and apologies not only to Wes, but to me and the other fans who drove all the way up to Preston yesterday. Wes does NOT need to say sorry. Di Canio's actions yesterday - I haven't felt so embarrassed to be a Swindon fan. We have one of the best keepers outside the premier league here. Why spoil it? Di Canio falls out with players and blames the player for being a fool and having a bad attitude etc (I'll use as Caddis an example). I always backed Di Canio, but after yesterday, I'm starting to think twice. I can see Di Canio losing the dressing room soon (sorry but that's just my opinion) Rant over...[/p][/quote]Totally agree. The guy makes Hitler look like a HR manager. We cannot afford to let his ego get rid of our good players. To replace the ones that go is costly. And, anyway, he signed most of them in the first place, so if he doesn't like their attitude or skills, whose judgment is at fault? I am sure that he could b****r off & get a job elsewhere, leave us in the proverbial, with our best players having gone. Wray has to bite the bullet now. Redgollum
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1:11pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Redgollum says...

The-Swindon-Man wrote:
Di Canio, you're the one who needs to come out and apologies not only to Wes, but to me and the other fans who drove all the way up to Preston yesterday.

Wes does NOT need to say sorry.

Di Canio's actions yesterday - I haven't felt so embarrassed to be a Swindon fan.

We have one of the best keepers outside the premier league here. Why spoil it?

Di Canio falls out with players and blames the player for being a fool and having a bad attitude etc (I'll use as Caddis an example). I always backed Di Canio, but after yesterday, I'm starting to think twice.

I can see Di Canio losing the dressing room soon (sorry but that's just my opinion)

Rant over...
Totally agree. The guy makes Hitler look like a HR manager. We cannot afford to let his ego get rid of our good players. To replace the ones that go is costly. And, anyway, he signed most of them in the first place, so if he doesn't like their attitude or skills, whose judgment is at fault?
I am sure that he could b****r off & get a job elsewhere, leave us in the proverbial, with our best players having gone. Wray has to bite the bullet now.
[quote][p][bold]The-Swindon-Man[/bold] wrote: Di Canio, you're the one who needs to come out and apologies not only to Wes, but to me and the other fans who drove all the way up to Preston yesterday. Wes does NOT need to say sorry. Di Canio's actions yesterday - I haven't felt so embarrassed to be a Swindon fan. We have one of the best keepers outside the premier league here. Why spoil it? Di Canio falls out with players and blames the player for being a fool and having a bad attitude etc (I'll use as Caddis an example). I always backed Di Canio, but after yesterday, I'm starting to think twice. I can see Di Canio losing the dressing room soon (sorry but that's just my opinion) Rant over...[/p][/quote]Totally agree. The guy makes Hitler look like a HR manager. We cannot afford to let his ego get rid of our good players. To replace the ones that go is costly. And, anyway, he signed most of them in the first place, so if he doesn't like their attitude or skills, whose judgment is at fault? I am sure that he could b****r off & get a job elsewhere, leave us in the proverbial, with our best players having gone. Wray has to bite the bullet now. Redgollum
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1:15pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

I don't think DiCanio is anywhere near losing the dressing room IMHO.
Easy to overlook the obvious togetherness at SN1 when something like this happens.
I don't think DiCanio is anywhere near losing the dressing room IMHO. Easy to overlook the obvious togetherness at SN1 when something like this happens. swwindon61uk
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1:18pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

They just showed on TV PDC getting substituted by Glen Roader at WHU,not a happy bunny,wonder if he had to make a public apology and would he?
Not slagging off PDC here just asking a valid question.
They just showed on TV PDC getting substituted by Glen Roader at WHU,not a happy bunny,wonder if he had to make a public apology and would he? Not slagging off PDC here just asking a valid question. swwindon61uk
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1:20pm Mon 3 Sep 12

the don69 says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
London Red wrote:
There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here
.
1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes!
.
The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind
.
Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read)
.
Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this
.
2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses
.
I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts!
.
You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare!
.
No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes
.
This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!!
.
As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him!
.
People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is!
.
The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!!
.
Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off!
.
Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox!
.
Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!!
.
In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that
.
A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter
.
As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!
London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess.
A public apology is needed!
I agree 61 and I'm still waiting for LR's apology,when he said my post was not true,when I said Paolo was not speaking to the press,after the Hartlepool game!I won't hold my breath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path![/p][/quote]London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess. A public apology is needed![/p][/quote]I agree 61 and I'm still waiting for LR's apology,when he said my post was not true,when I said Paolo was not speaking to the press,after the Hartlepool game!I won't hold my breath!!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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1:22pm Mon 3 Sep 12

southside7 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
jam1 wrote:
35yrRED wrote:
London Red wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!
Excellent post!!!
A man who talks sense. I think the problem is some just write without really thinking and others just like to jump on the anti paolo bandwagon when they can latch on to something negative.
And there are those who jump on the pro-PDC bandwagon and defend everything he says or does. It's not about being pro-Di Canio or pro-Foderingham; it's about being pro-Swindon. I want both men to be part of the future of Swindon Town. But it cannot be denied that there have been too many of these fall-outs, nor that PDC is the common denominator, and I am convinced he has to find a better way of handling players.
exactly , each case should be judged individually. i agree with Paolo on caddis situ, but not this. if it is complacency and bigheadedness deal with it after the game, not twenty minutes after kickoff. some on here follow pdc like a cult leader and shows how the mind can be so easily manipulated.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]35yrRED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path![/p][/quote]Excellent post!!![/p][/quote]A man who talks sense. I think the problem is some just write without really thinking and others just like to jump on the anti paolo bandwagon when they can latch on to something negative.[/p][/quote]And there are those who jump on the pro-PDC bandwagon and defend everything he says or does. It's not about being pro-Di Canio or pro-Foderingham; it's about being pro-Swindon. I want both men to be part of the future of Swindon Town. But it cannot be denied that there have been too many of these fall-outs, nor that PDC is the common denominator, and I am convinced he has to find a better way of handling players.[/p][/quote]exactly , each case should be judged individually. i agree with Paolo on caddis situ, but not this. if it is complacency and bigheadedness deal with it after the game, not twenty minutes after kickoff. some on here follow pdc like a cult leader and shows how the mind can be so easily manipulated. southside7
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1:31pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Since 1950 says...

Just as an aside. Wes foderingham was writing in the program notes just a week or so ago saying he 'had nicked the job'(in goal) as the back four were giving him so much protection. Maybe he got found out on Sunday. I just throw that in for the debate.
Just as an aside. Wes foderingham was writing in the program notes just a week or so ago saying he 'had nicked the job'(in goal) as the back four were giving him so much protection. Maybe he got found out on Sunday. I just throw that in for the debate. Since 1950
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1:33pm Mon 3 Sep 12

mike1990 says...

the don69 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
London Red wrote:
There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here
.
1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes!
.
The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind
.
Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read)
.
Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this
.
2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses
.
I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts!
.
You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare!
.
No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes
.
This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!!
.
As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him!
.
People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is!
.
The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!!
.
Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off!
.
Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox!
.
Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!!
.
In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that
.
A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter
.
As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!
London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess.
A public apology is needed!
I agree 61 and I'm still waiting for LR's apology,when he said my post was not true,when I said Paolo was not speaking to the press,after the Hartlepool game!I won't hold my breath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes i remember that one don,he never spoke to press,he made a video for Swindon Town player,london red should apologyise for that one,did PDC give that ref an apology after pushing him over?
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path![/p][/quote]London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess. A public apology is needed![/p][/quote]I agree 61 and I'm still waiting for LR's apology,when he said my post was not true,when I said Paolo was not speaking to the press,after the Hartlepool game!I won't hold my breath!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]yes i remember that one don,he never spoke to press,he made a video for Swindon Town player,london red should apologyise for that one,did PDC give that ref an apology after pushing him over? mike1990
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1:39pm Mon 3 Sep 12

chalkswindon says...

Sam Just tweeted "Wes trained as normal today with the rest of the squad"

Thats great to read.
Sam Just tweeted "Wes trained as normal today with the rest of the squad" Thats great to read. chalkswindon
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1:45pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

mike1990 wrote:
the don69 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
London Red wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!
London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess. A public apology is needed!
I agree 61 and I'm still waiting for LR's apology,when he said my post was not true,when I said Paolo was not speaking to the press,after the Hartlepool game!I won't hold my breath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes i remember that one don,he never spoke to press,he made a video for Swindon Town player,london red should apologyise for that one,did PDC give that ref an apology after pushing him over?
What is it with everyone having to apologise for stuff??
[quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path![/p][/quote]London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess. A public apology is needed![/p][/quote]I agree 61 and I'm still waiting for LR's apology,when he said my post was not true,when I said Paolo was not speaking to the press,after the Hartlepool game!I won't hold my breath!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]yes i remember that one don,he never spoke to press,he made a video for Swindon Town player,london red should apologyise for that one,did PDC give that ref an apology after pushing him over?[/p][/quote]What is it with everyone having to apologise for stuff?? jam1
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1:49pm Mon 3 Sep 12

mike1990 says...

jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
the don69 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
London Red wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!
London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess. A public apology is needed!
I agree 61 and I'm still waiting for LR's apology,when he said my post was not true,when I said Paolo was not speaking to the press,after the Hartlepool game!I won't hold my breath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes i remember that one don,he never spoke to press,he made a video for Swindon Town player,london red should apologyise for that one,did PDC give that ref an apology after pushing him over?
What is it with everyone having to apologise for stuff??
sorry lol.
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path![/p][/quote]London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess. A public apology is needed![/p][/quote]I agree 61 and I'm still waiting for LR's apology,when he said my post was not true,when I said Paolo was not speaking to the press,after the Hartlepool game!I won't hold my breath!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]yes i remember that one don,he never spoke to press,he made a video for Swindon Town player,london red should apologyise for that one,did PDC give that ref an apology after pushing him over?[/p][/quote]What is it with everyone having to apologise for stuff??[/p][/quote]sorry lol. mike1990
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1:50pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stfcknowitall says...

Do we want Di Canio to resign then????

Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk??

I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager??

IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!! stfcknowitall
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1:51pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stfcknowitall says...

Do we want Di Canio to resign then????

Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk??

I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager??

IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!! stfcknowitall
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1:52pm Mon 3 Sep 12

chalkswindon says...

If you were Wes would you say sorry ?

If you were PDC would you say sorry ?
If you were Wes would you say sorry ? If you were PDC would you say sorry ? chalkswindon
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2:01pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

stfcknowitall wrote:
Do we want Di Canio to resign then????

Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk??

I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager??

IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
[quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked. Oi Den!
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2:04pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
So you want Paolo to stay then?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]So you want Paolo to stay then? jam1
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2:05pm Mon 3 Sep 12

EastleazeRed says...

No wonder Wes Foderingham is getting rather cocky & arrogant by being referred to as " SIR WES " on here over and over again !
No wonder Wes Foderingham is getting rather cocky & arrogant by being referred to as " SIR WES " on here over and over again ! EastleazeRed
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2:05pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

chalkswindon wrote:
Sam Just tweeted "Wes trained as normal today with the rest of the squad"

Thats great to read.
Brilliant,lets hope it is water under the bridge,these things happen at most clubs.
[quote][p][bold]chalkswindon[/bold] wrote: Sam Just tweeted "Wes trained as normal today with the rest of the squad" Thats great to read.[/p][/quote]Brilliant,lets hope it is water under the bridge,these things happen at most clubs. swwindon61uk
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2:06pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Oldhamred says...

IMO there is no need for a public apology from either PDC or Wes.

A private apology to each other might be the best outcome all round.
IMO there is no need for a public apology from either PDC or Wes. A private apology to each other might be the best outcome all round. Oldhamred
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2:07pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

jam1 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
So you want Paolo to stay then?
Of course I want Paolo to stay!
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]So you want Paolo to stay then?[/p][/quote]Of course I want Paolo to stay! Oi Den!
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2:07pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stfcknowitall says...

Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat! stfcknowitall
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2:07pm Mon 3 Sep 12

mike1990 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote:
Do we want Di Canio to resign then????

Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk??

I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager??

IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess. mike1990
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2:11pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

stfcknowitall wrote:
Do we want Di Canio to resign then????

Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk??

I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager??

IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
So just because somebody does not agree 100% with everything to do with PDC they are the above!
It is known as having an opinion and if you looked,most of the posters saying that they think he is wrong on this occasion have also said they are still in support of having PDC as manager.
Fickle indeed.
[quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]So just because somebody does not agree 100% with everything to do with PDC they are the above! It is known as having an opinion and if you looked,most of the posters saying that they think he is wrong on this occasion have also said they are still in support of having PDC as manager. Fickle indeed. swwindon61uk
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2:11pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Stilloyal says...

Fodders had talks with Di Canio this morning then trained with the rest of the squad.
So maybe the crisis is over .........for now.

Burnley tickets on sale £ 15 - £10 concessions, and the pox are charging £19 for Wednesday greedy bar stewards !!
Fodders had talks with Di Canio this morning then trained with the rest of the squad. So maybe the crisis is over .........for now. Burnley tickets on sale £ 15 - £10 concessions, and the pox are charging £19 for Wednesday greedy bar stewards !! Stilloyal
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2:11pm Mon 3 Sep 12

red white says...

Talk Sport gonna do a piece on Paolo soon,next hour.
Talk Sport gonna do a piece on Paolo soon,next hour. red white
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2:12pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
[quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't jam1
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2:14pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

chalkswindon wrote:
If you were Wes would you say sorry ?

If you were PDC would you say sorry ?
Would PDC apologise if he were Wes?
[quote][p][bold]chalkswindon[/bold] wrote: If you were Wes would you say sorry ? If you were PDC would you say sorry ?[/p][/quote]Would PDC apologise if he were Wes? swwindon61uk
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2:15pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

Oldhamred wrote:
IMO there is no need for a public apology from either PDC or Wes.

A private apology to each other might be the best outcome all round.
Agreed!!
[quote][p][bold]Oldhamred[/bold] wrote: IMO there is no need for a public apology from either PDC or Wes. A private apology to each other might be the best outcome all round.[/p][/quote]Agreed!! swwindon61uk
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2:17pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

stfcknowitall wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat!
No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.
[quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat![/p][/quote]No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager. Oi Den!
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2:18pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs? swwindon61uk
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2:20pm Mon 3 Sep 12

dddmhc says...

So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September.

...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday.

I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional" on the pitch.
So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September. ...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday. I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional" on the pitch. dddmhc
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2:21pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stfcknowitall says...

jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
Thats exactly what I mean, I think fans myself included tend to forget how far Paolo has taken our great club! I know Paolo isn't perfect but what manager is? Even the likes of Sir Alex get headlines he probably wishes he didnt get!

?
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]Thats exactly what I mean, I think fans myself included tend to forget how far Paolo has taken our great club! I know Paolo isn't perfect but what manager is? Even the likes of Sir Alex get headlines he probably wishes he didnt get! ? stfcknowitall
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2:21pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?
Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?[/p][/quote]Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles. jam1
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2:23pm Mon 3 Sep 12

chalkswindon says...

PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'
PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.' chalkswindon
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2:25pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stfcknowitall says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?
Um No! The season we got to Wembley was good but the following season was a disaster!
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?[/p][/quote]Um No! The season we got to Wembley was good but the following season was a disaster! stfcknowitall
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2:25pm Mon 3 Sep 12

mike1990 says...

jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
No we don't want to go back to how it was under Fitton,Malpas,Wilson
,but J-Wray needs to have a word with PDC and get him to keep things in the dressing room,if we new all the things that went on at Man U we'd be shocked!but Sir Axex keeps most of in house!it did leak that he kicked a boot at Becks and cut his eye,so message to PDC keep calm and keep it in the dressing room.
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]No we don't want to go back to how it was under Fitton,Malpas,Wilson ,but J-Wray needs to have a word with PDC and get him to keep things in the dressing room,if we new all the things that went on at Man U we'd be shocked!but Sir Axex keeps most of in house!it did leak that he kicked a boot at Becks and cut his eye,so message to PDC keep calm and keep it in the dressing room. mike1990
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2:26pm Mon 3 Sep 12

batman returns says...

Hi all – I don’t often comment these days however as a manager you have to take tough decisions and that is exactly what PDC did. Wes was obviously having a very off day and got subbed. All players get subbed sometimes and yesterday it was him. Tough!
The problem is that Wes behaved very badly and very publically and showed little respect for that decision blaming his teammates for his own poor performance and then storming off in a sulk . PDC’s comments were more than fair and measured in response.
If any person working under myself did what Wes did then an apology would be the least I would expect. If he is a big enough man inside he will just ask for a meet, say he’s sorry knuckle down to regain his form and just get on with it. It’s his own career he is throwing away if he doesn’t and that’s a real shame however petulance and or player power antics will just (as so as ably described above) send us back down to the depths again.
Hi all – I don’t often comment these days however as a manager you have to take tough decisions and that is exactly what PDC did. Wes was obviously having a very off day and got subbed. All players get subbed sometimes and yesterday it was him. Tough! The problem is that Wes behaved very badly and very publically and showed little respect for that decision blaming his teammates for his own poor performance and then storming off in a sulk . PDC’s comments were more than fair and measured in response. If any person working under myself did what Wes did then an apology would be the least I would expect. If he is a big enough man inside he will just ask for a meet, say he’s sorry knuckle down to regain his form and just get on with it. It’s his own career he is throwing away if he doesn’t and that’s a real shame however petulance and or player power antics will just (as so as ably described above) send us back down to the depths again. batman returns
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2:26pm Mon 3 Sep 12

ChrisWantageRed says...

Well done Wes! :) now let's put this to bed and move on...COYR!
Well done Wes! :) now let's put this to bed and move on...COYR! ChrisWantageRed
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2:28pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

jam1 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?
Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.
Right up to the Crawley cup defeat in January i would say most were content with Wilson at the helm.
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?[/p][/quote]Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.[/p][/quote]Right up to the Crawley cup defeat in January i would say most were content with Wilson at the helm. swwindon61uk
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2:29pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stfcknowitall says...

jam1 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?
Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.
Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something!
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?[/p][/quote]Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.[/p][/quote]Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something! stfcknowitall
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2:30pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

Nice one Wes, onwards and upwards!
Nice one Wes, onwards and upwards! jam1
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2:30pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stfcknowitall says...

stfcknowitall wrote:
jam1 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?
Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.
Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something!
I meant the 10/11 season!
[quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?[/p][/quote]Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.[/p][/quote]Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something![/p][/quote]I meant the 10/11 season! stfcknowitall
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2:31pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

dddmhc wrote:
So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September.

...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday.

I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional
" on the pitch.
If true,somebody else contradicted this earlier in the thread,you never know he might have just woke up and could not get back to sleep and just posted,who knows.
[quote][p][bold]dddmhc[/bold] wrote: So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September. ...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday. I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional " on the pitch.[/p][/quote]If true,somebody else contradicted this earlier in the thread,you never know he might have just woke up and could not get back to sleep and just posted,who knows. swwindon61uk
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2:31pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Bootlegger says...

If PdC was as bland as Danny Wilson in front of cameras, with all his accomplishments he might be already on his way to managing at a higher level. Because PdC is PdC, he is safe with us for a bit longer because the chairman is Jeremy Wray and sharp as a tack. Let's count the positives and move on.
If PdC was as bland as Danny Wilson in front of cameras, with all his accomplishments he might be already on his way to managing at a higher level. Because PdC is PdC, he is safe with us for a bit longer because the chairman is Jeremy Wray and sharp as a tack. Let's count the positives and move on. Bootlegger
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2:31pm Mon 3 Sep 12

RedArmy74 says...

dddmhc wrote:
So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September.

...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday.

I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional
" on the pitch.
Think you may need to check your time zone settings on twitter! All his tweets on 2nd September were between 10:45am and 11:15am UK time.
[quote][p][bold]dddmhc[/bold] wrote: So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September. ...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday. I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional " on the pitch.[/p][/quote]Think you may need to check your time zone settings on twitter! All his tweets on 2nd September were between 10:45am and 11:15am UK time. RedArmy74
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2:32pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

chalkswindon wrote:
PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'
Yayy end thread,close it down.....LOL
[quote][p][bold]chalkswindon[/bold] wrote: PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'[/p][/quote]Yayy end thread,close it down.....LOL swwindon61uk
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2:33pm Mon 3 Sep 12

capott says...

Please forgive me if this has been said or highlighted before - I haven't read through all the comments. There are far too many of them! Personally I feel the biggest mistake made, in terms of the first goal, was the reaction or lack of made by Alan McCormack when the ball came across from the rebound from Wes' clearance. I was totally shocked. I had never before seen a bad display from Alan McCormack but yesterday he was definately underweight. If Wes was at fault for delaying his clearance then Alan was more at fault for not reacting at all. The forward was in line (or behind) AM at first but AM let him run onto the ball without trying! This, I find, is a grave misjudgement by PDC. Perhaps his view was not the same as those sat behind the goal - I hope any videos will show him, what I believe, that he was wrong to target Wes.
Please forgive me if this has been said or highlighted before - I haven't read through all the comments. There are far too many of them! Personally I feel the biggest mistake made, in terms of the first goal, was the reaction or lack of made by Alan McCormack when the ball came across from the rebound from Wes' clearance. I was totally shocked. I had never before seen a bad display from Alan McCormack but yesterday he was definately underweight. If Wes was at fault for delaying his clearance then Alan was more at fault for not reacting at all. The forward was in line (or behind) AM at first but AM let him run onto the ball without trying! This, I find, is a grave misjudgement by PDC. Perhaps his view was not the same as those sat behind the goal - I hope any videos will show him, what I believe, that he was wrong to target Wes. capott
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2:33pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Stilloyal says...

jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
I wouldn't mind football in general going back to the days when it was a fun game.
People playing the game for the love of the sport, no millionaire prima donna.s falling over or trying to cheat .
We used to have a good laugh if a player c0cked up in the old days but it was enjoyable . You'd be stood on the terrace having a laugh banter with opposing fans.
Players had rapport with the fans and you could be in the pub at 6 on a Saturday night getting pizzed with them over a pint of BBB,s
Winning wasn't the be all and end all but it was fun and of course it was good to win a game now and then. There's too much pressure on everyone now because football like most sport is all about money.

In the media today a 19 year old Man City player arrested after racing in his Merc and killing two little kids and injuring three other people.
A high powered Merc for a 19 year old ffs. I don't begrudge people wealth or success but some have it all far too soon, look at Jimmy Davis r.i.p.
Yea lets have the old days when sport and life was fun.
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]I wouldn't mind football in general going back to the days when it was a fun game. People playing the game for the love of the sport, no millionaire prima donna.s falling over or trying to cheat . We used to have a good laugh if a player c0cked up in the old days but it was enjoyable . You'd be stood on the terrace having a laugh banter with opposing fans. Players had rapport with the fans and you could be in the pub at 6 on a Saturday night getting pizzed with them over a pint of BBB,s Winning wasn't the be all and end all but it was fun and of course it was good to win a game now and then. There's too much pressure on everyone now because football like most sport is all about money. In the media today a 19 year old Man City player arrested after racing in his Merc and killing two little kids and injuring three other people. A high powered Merc for a 19 year old ffs. I don't begrudge people wealth or success but some have it all far too soon, look at Jimmy Davis r.i.p. Yea lets have the old days when sport and life was fun. Stilloyal
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2:35pm Mon 3 Sep 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Chalk Thank you for that. Well done Super Sir Wes for manning up. Apologising and getting on with training. Fully expect him to start Wednesday night.

It can now all blow over and we don't need to get to 400 posts on here today.

I'm off to betvictor to keep investing.

Back to back to back promotions coming. Watching the birth of a managerial legend. Isn't he already?! Build a statue of him when he takes us to the Premiership.
Chalk Thank you for that. Well done Super Sir Wes for manning up. Apologising and getting on with training. Fully expect him to start Wednesday night. It can now all blow over and we don't need to get to 400 posts on here today. I'm off to betvictor to keep investing. Back to back to back promotions coming. Watching the birth of a managerial legend. Isn't he already?! Build a statue of him when he takes us to the Premiership. dreamofacleansheet2
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2:37pm Mon 3 Sep 12

London Red says...

Don - as I said at the time if I have something to apologise about I will!
.
Press by the dictionary term is the collective name for ALL media where news is broadcast and I saw an interview via the web (a form of media) pre Crawley
.
I don't get that if it is Player only it is not classed as press - but if the Adver then take that same interview and hack it into about 100 stories it is suddenly classed as being in "the press"? This happened all summer long!
.
Maybe he should "not speak to the press" more as we had certainly had less hoo-hah after Hartlepool - yet I still got his post game analysis and Crawley build up no problems - despite this alleged "black out"!
.
As for what would PdC have done as a player comments - remember he was booted out of AC Milan after a major bust up with Capello - yet who is one of his most repsected managers? - Thats right Capello!
.
He probably did react like Wes as a kid but realises he was wrong and that people like Capello were right and their records speak for themselves!
.
Also PdC doesn't want the apology personally - he wants it given to the TEAM - listen to it again and it is attitutude to his team mates and the walking out without speaking to anyone he was angry at and demanded an apology to the TEAM
.
It sounds like Wes has done this - so fair play to him and lets hope we see the keeper we saw last year back to aid our quest
Don - as I said at the time if I have something to apologise about I will! . Press by the dictionary term is the collective name for ALL media where news is broadcast and I saw an interview via the web (a form of media) pre Crawley . I don't get that if it is Player only it is not classed as press - but if the Adver then take that same interview and hack it into about 100 stories it is suddenly classed as being in "the press"? This happened all summer long! . Maybe he should "not speak to the press" more as we had certainly had less hoo-hah after Hartlepool - yet I still got his post game analysis and Crawley build up no problems - despite this alleged "black out"! . As for what would PdC have done as a player comments - remember he was booted out of AC Milan after a major bust up with Capello - yet who is one of his most repsected managers? - Thats right Capello! . He probably did react like Wes as a kid but realises he was wrong and that people like Capello were right and their records speak for themselves! . Also PdC doesn't want the apology personally - he wants it given to the TEAM - listen to it again and it is attitutude to his team mates and the walking out without speaking to anyone he was angry at and demanded an apology to the TEAM . It sounds like Wes has done this - so fair play to him and lets hope we see the keeper we saw last year back to aid our quest London Red
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2:39pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

stfcknowitall wrote:
jam1 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?
Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.
Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something!
I was there,just like i have been for the last 43 years.
Still stand by what i say,when we beat Charlton away 4-2 on January the 3rd i think that kept Wilson in a job longer than it should i will agree.
That particular season i predicted mid-table after the playoff final loss as we lost all of our laon players.
[quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?[/p][/quote]Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.[/p][/quote]Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something![/p][/quote]I was there,just like i have been for the last 43 years. Still stand by what i say,when we beat Charlton away 4-2 on January the 3rd i think that kept Wilson in a job longer than it should i will agree. That particular season i predicted mid-table after the playoff final loss as we lost all of our laon players. swwindon61uk
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2:42pm Mon 3 Sep 12

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Looks like Wes has apologised..........
Come on sorted and move on.
Looks like Wes has apologised.......... Come on sorted and move on. TheDukeOfBanbury
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2:43pm Mon 3 Sep 12

dddmhc says...

RedArmy74 wrote:
dddmhc wrote:
So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September.

...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday.

I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional

" on the pitch.
Think you may need to check your time zone settings on twitter! All his tweets on 2nd September were between 10:45am and 11:15am UK time.
GMT +1.

Checked yours...? ;)
[quote][p][bold]RedArmy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dddmhc[/bold] wrote: So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September. ...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday. I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional " on the pitch.[/p][/quote]Think you may need to check your time zone settings on twitter! All his tweets on 2nd September were between 10:45am and 11:15am UK time.[/p][/quote]GMT +1. Checked yours...? ;) dddmhc
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2:43pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Terryswin says...

chalkswindon wrote:
PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'
where did you hear wes saying sorry,,,
[quote][p][bold]chalkswindon[/bold] wrote: PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'[/p][/quote]where did you hear wes saying sorry,,, Terryswin
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2:43pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Terryswin says...

chalkswindon wrote:
PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'
where did you hear wes saying sorry,,,
[quote][p][bold]chalkswindon[/bold] wrote: PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'[/p][/quote]where did you hear wes saying sorry,,, Terryswin
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2:43pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Terryswin says...

chalkswindon wrote:
PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'
where did you hear wes saying sorry,,,
[quote][p][bold]chalkswindon[/bold] wrote: PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'[/p][/quote]where did you hear wes saying sorry,,, Terryswin
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2:44pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote:
jam1 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?
Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.
Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something!
I was there,just like i have been for the last 43 years. Still stand by what i say,when we beat Charlton away 4-2 on January the 3rd i think that kept Wilson in a job longer than it should i will agree. That particular season i predicted mid-table after the playoff final loss as we lost all of our laon players.
I'm not really sure what you're saying.. Beating Charlton away got us to the play off final during a very good season. Why would wilson get the boot at this stage?? It was the season after that we should have got rid of him earlier.

Anyway who cares about all that ****.... roll on wed!
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?[/p][/quote]Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.[/p][/quote]Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something![/p][/quote]I was there,just like i have been for the last 43 years. Still stand by what i say,when we beat Charlton away 4-2 on January the 3rd i think that kept Wilson in a job longer than it should i will agree. That particular season i predicted mid-table after the playoff final loss as we lost all of our laon players.[/p][/quote]I'm not really sure what you're saying.. Beating Charlton away got us to the play off final during a very good season. Why would wilson get the boot at this stage?? It was the season after that we should have got rid of him earlier. Anyway who cares about all that ****.... roll on wed! jam1
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2:45pm Mon 3 Sep 12

red white says...

Sam on talk sport in a minute
Sam on talk sport in a minute red white
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2:45pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jam1 says...

jam1 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote:
jam1 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?
Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.
Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something!
I was there,just like i have been for the last 43 years. Still stand by what i say,when we beat Charlton away 4-2 on January the 3rd i think that kept Wilson in a job longer than it should i will agree. That particular season i predicted mid-table after the playoff final loss as we lost all of our laon players.
I'm not really sure what you're saying.. Beating Charlton away got us to the play off final during a very good season. Why would wilson get the boot at this stage?? It was the season after that we should have got rid of him earlier. Anyway who cares about all that ****.... roll on wed!
My mistake i thought you were talking about the play of semi away game......
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?[/p][/quote]Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.[/p][/quote]Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something![/p][/quote]I was there,just like i have been for the last 43 years. Still stand by what i say,when we beat Charlton away 4-2 on January the 3rd i think that kept Wilson in a job longer than it should i will agree. That particular season i predicted mid-table after the playoff final loss as we lost all of our laon players.[/p][/quote]I'm not really sure what you're saying.. Beating Charlton away got us to the play off final during a very good season. Why would wilson get the boot at this stage?? It was the season after that we should have got rid of him earlier. Anyway who cares about all that ****.... roll on wed![/p][/quote]My mistake i thought you were talking about the play of semi away game...... jam1
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2:46pm Mon 3 Sep 12

smirg kcab says...

After wes was subbed, Rooney,m cormack,devera,mceve
ly, should have been put In front of the firing squad. They were absolute pants and put wes under pressure from the first minute.
Funny on sky they are showing paolo chuck his toys out of his pram giving verbals to glen roeder, yes that good looking bloke glen roeder
Onwards and upwards
Over to you mr wray
After wes was subbed, Rooney,m cormack,devera,mceve ly, should have been put In front of the firing squad. They were absolute pants and put wes under pressure from the first minute. Funny on sky they are showing paolo chuck his toys out of his pram giving verbals to glen roeder, yes that good looking bloke glen roeder Onwards and upwards Over to you mr wray smirg kcab
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2:46pm Mon 3 Sep 12

SeanG92 says...

We shouldn't have thrown a hissy fit after being subbed. I think that has angered Paolo more than he already was. Also Paolo is right, we do seem to have this mentality that Keepers cant be subbed which is totally wrong IMO.


Also i dont believe any of us know what has been going on behind the scenes, but there have obviously been concerns prior to the game on saturday and Wes having a particularity poor game just tipped Paolo over the edge.

Id say lest hope its sorted out ASAP and Wes is back soon, but we have yet to see Paolo and a player fall out big style and then the player to return, so I fear its by by to Wes.
We shouldn't have thrown a hissy fit after being subbed. I think that has angered Paolo more than he already was. Also Paolo is right, we do seem to have this mentality that Keepers cant be subbed which is totally wrong IMO. Also i dont believe any of us know what has been going on behind the scenes, but there have obviously been concerns prior to the game on saturday and Wes having a particularity poor game just tipped Paolo over the edge. Id say lest hope its sorted out ASAP and Wes is back soon, but we have yet to see Paolo and a player fall out big style and then the player to return, so I fear its by by to Wes. SeanG92
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2:48pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stfcknowitall says...

Well Wes has apologised and sounds like Paolo is happy again :-D

Nice one Wes and Thankyou...thank God its over!

Now bring on the Oxford scums!! Ive got my ticket already does anyone know if we have either sold out or close to selling out our allocation for this game?
Well Wes has apologised and sounds like Paolo is happy again :-D Nice one Wes and Thankyou...thank God its over! Now bring on the Oxford scums!! Ive got my ticket already does anyone know if we have either sold out or close to selling out our allocation for this game? stfcknowitall
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2:51pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Oxon-Red says...

Refrained from commenting so far today as I probably said too much yesterday but a couple of points.

1. Most people who went to the match identify that there was a problem with Wes arguing etc. This would suggest that Paolo was concerned that it could cause more problems and acted swiftly. Having done so it would be very difficult to keep this "in the dressing room" as suggested by some.

2. This is not the first time Paolo has subbed a player early, Connell, Rooney and Kerrouche all spring to mind. These substitutions have raised eyebrows but not caused the same level of debate as yesterday. It would seem to me that he has acted quickly, in the interest of the team, to prevent the situation getting out of hand.

Paolo was no doubt angry yesterday both with the performance of the team and the way Wes has seemingly undermined his authority on the field of play, namely the captain Alan Mac. I suspect that it is this lack of respect that has fuelled the rant in the radio interview.

We have seen what a lack of discipline in a squad can lead to and we have a manager that is determined not to allow it to return while he is in charge.

Some of the things Paolo said on the radio are possibly a bit over the top so perhaps he should learn to think a bit more before saying certain things or wait until matters have cooled.

Wes has talent and in time he could be a very very good keeper but he is the pupil and he needs to learn that to be successful you need to be disciplined. The captain is the manager's representative on the pitch and therefore he should be shown the same respect as the boss.

I hope this is resolved quickly for the best. I don't want to see either of them leave STFC.

COYMR
Refrained from commenting so far today as I probably said too much yesterday but a couple of points. 1. Most people who went to the match identify that there was a problem with Wes arguing etc. This would suggest that Paolo was concerned that it could cause more problems and acted swiftly. Having done so it would be very difficult to keep this "in the dressing room" as suggested by some. 2. This is not the first time Paolo has subbed a player early, Connell, Rooney and Kerrouche all spring to mind. These substitutions have raised eyebrows but not caused the same level of debate as yesterday. It would seem to me that he has acted quickly, in the interest of the team, to prevent the situation getting out of hand. Paolo was no doubt angry yesterday both with the performance of the team and the way Wes has seemingly undermined his authority on the field of play, namely the captain Alan Mac. I suspect that it is this lack of respect that has fuelled the rant in the radio interview. We have seen what a lack of discipline in a squad can lead to and we have a manager that is determined not to allow it to return while he is in charge. Some of the things Paolo said on the radio are possibly a bit over the top so perhaps he should learn to think a bit more before saying certain things or wait until matters have cooled. Wes has talent and in time he could be a very very good keeper but he is the pupil and he needs to learn that to be successful you need to be disciplined. The captain is the manager's representative on the pitch and therefore he should be shown the same respect as the boss. I hope this is resolved quickly for the best. I don't want to see either of them leave STFC. COYMR Oxon-Red
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2:51pm Mon 3 Sep 12

dddmhc says...

dddmhc wrote:
RedArmy74 wrote:
dddmhc wrote:
So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September.

...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday.

I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional


" on the pitch.
Think you may need to check your time zone settings on twitter! All his tweets on 2nd September were between 10:45am and 11:15am UK time.
GMT +1.

Checked yours...? ;)
Although tweetdeck concurs with you...

I wonder if it's *his* timezone settings that are wrong?!?

Ah well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, sorry Wes! :)
[quote][p][bold]dddmhc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RedArmy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dddmhc[/bold] wrote: So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September. ...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday. I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional " on the pitch.[/p][/quote]Think you may need to check your time zone settings on twitter! All his tweets on 2nd September were between 10:45am and 11:15am UK time.[/p][/quote]GMT +1. Checked yours...? ;)[/p][/quote]Although tweetdeck concurs with you... I wonder if it's *his* timezone settings that are wrong?!? Ah well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, sorry Wes! :) dddmhc
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2:51pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

jam1 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote:
jam1 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
jam1 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.
I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't
Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?
Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.
Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something!
I was there,just like i have been for the last 43 years. Still stand by what i say,when we beat Charlton away 4-2 on January the 3rd i think that kept Wilson in a job longer than it should i will agree. That particular season i predicted mid-table after the playoff final loss as we lost all of our laon players.
I'm not really sure what you're saying.. Beating Charlton away got us to the play off final during a very good season. Why would wilson get the boot at this stage?? It was the season after that we should have got rid of him earlier.

Anyway who cares about all that ****.... roll on wed!
We beat Charlton 4-2 in our relegation year,but like you say lets look forward!
[quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.[/p][/quote]I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't[/p][/quote]Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?[/p][/quote]Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.[/p][/quote]Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something![/p][/quote]I was there,just like i have been for the last 43 years. Still stand by what i say,when we beat Charlton away 4-2 on January the 3rd i think that kept Wilson in a job longer than it should i will agree. That particular season i predicted mid-table after the playoff final loss as we lost all of our laon players.[/p][/quote]I'm not really sure what you're saying.. Beating Charlton away got us to the play off final during a very good season. Why would wilson get the boot at this stage?? It was the season after that we should have got rid of him earlier. Anyway who cares about all that ****.... roll on wed![/p][/quote]We beat Charlton 4-2 in our relegation year,but like you say lets look forward! swwindon61uk
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2:53pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stfcknowitall says...

Terryswin wrote:
chalkswindon wrote: PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'
where did you hear wes saying sorry,,,
I saw it on the 'online ticket' page on swindontown.co.uk web page
[quote][p][bold]Terryswin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chalkswindon[/bold] wrote: PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'[/p][/quote]where did you hear wes saying sorry,,,[/p][/quote]I saw it on the 'online ticket' page on swindontown.co.uk web page stfcknowitall
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2:54pm Mon 3 Sep 12

LeGod says...

Wes has apologised and is available for wednesday night - Good news - lets move on stuff the pox and orient now.

Glad its sorted.
Wes has apologised and is available for wednesday night - Good news - lets move on stuff the pox and orient now. Glad its sorted. LeGod
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2:56pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Med Red says...

From the o/s.... "PAOLO Di Canio is looking forward to Wednesday night’s Johnstone’s Paint Trophy first round encounter at Oxford United, with Wes Foderingham available for selection following an apology on Monday.

Town head to local rivals Oxford United on Wednesday evening and speaking on Monday lunchtime, the manager confirmed Foderingham will be a part of his squad to face The U’s.

“Wes has apologised. The situation is now clear and we will move on and work together. He is a genuine guy and a strong character.

“The rules are there and he will pay his price for his actions. He has been fantastic for us last and this season, but he didn’t behave well on Sunday.

“He will have his chance to be a part of the team and be available for selection against Oxford on Wednesday night.”

....... now let's all shut-up please!!!
From the o/s.... "PAOLO Di Canio is looking forward to Wednesday night’s Johnstone’s Paint Trophy first round encounter at Oxford United, with Wes Foderingham available for selection following an apology on Monday. Town head to local rivals Oxford United on Wednesday evening and speaking on Monday lunchtime, the manager confirmed Foderingham will be a part of his squad to face The U’s. “Wes has apologised. The situation is now clear and we will move on and work together. He is a genuine guy and a strong character. “The rules are there and he will pay his price for his actions. He has been fantastic for us last and this season, but he didn’t behave well on Sunday. “He will have his chance to be a part of the team and be available for selection against Oxford on Wednesday night.” ....... now let's all shut-up please!!! Med Red
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2:59pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

stfcknowitall wrote:
Terryswin wrote:
chalkswindon wrote: PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'
where did you hear wes saying sorry,,,
I saw it on the 'online ticket' page on swindontown.co.uk web page
Just seen it as well.
So Wes has said sorry and got praise from PDC,it has to be Bedwell in goal then against Oxford! :-)
[quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Terryswin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chalkswindon[/bold] wrote: PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'[/p][/quote]where did you hear wes saying sorry,,,[/p][/quote]I saw it on the 'online ticket' page on swindontown.co.uk web page[/p][/quote]Just seen it as well. So Wes has said sorry and got praise from PDC,it has to be Bedwell in goal then against Oxford! :-) swwindon61uk
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3:02pm Mon 3 Sep 12

SeanG92 says...

Fantastic news. Lets hope its more genuine than when we were told the Caddis situation was resolved and he would be available for selection again :P

Anyway time to look forward and go and pummel Oxford.
Fantastic news. Lets hope its more genuine than when we were told the Caddis situation was resolved and he would be available for selection again :P Anyway time to look forward and go and pummel Oxford. SeanG92
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3:14pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Marmite Soldier says...

Just been announced on BBC Wilts radio that they have kissed and made up! Never expected it! Hats off to Jeremy Wray I reckon, who must have operated as the reconciliation service.

Let's hope it really is put to bed. I lost sleep over this last night!
Just been announced on BBC Wilts radio that they have kissed and made up! Never expected it! Hats off to Jeremy Wray I reckon, who must have operated as the reconciliation service. Let's hope it really is put to bed. I lost sleep over this last night! Marmite Soldier
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3:21pm Mon 3 Sep 12

red white says...

red white wrote:
Sam on talk sport in a minute
Hurry up!
[quote][p][bold]red white[/bold] wrote: Sam on talk sport in a minute[/p][/quote]Hurry up! red white
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3:23pm Mon 3 Sep 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Dear People take the opportunity to go onto betvictor take the 7-1 on the Town, it won't be available for long and also take 40-1 on James Collins each way top striker. He may not do it but that's a big big price. Andy Williams can be got at 28-1 but cant remember which bookie.
Dear People take the opportunity to go onto betvictor take the 7-1 on the Town, it won't be available for long and also take 40-1 on James Collins each way top striker. He may not do it but that's a big big price. Andy Williams can be got at 28-1 but cant remember which bookie. dreamofacleansheet2
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3:32pm Mon 3 Sep 12

DaniooolCOYR says...

So what are all the PDC bashers gonna b1tch about now?

An outstanding piece of man-management!

In Paolo We Trust - COYR!
So what are all the PDC bashers gonna b1tch about now? An outstanding piece of man-management! In Paolo We Trust - COYR! DaniooolCOYR
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3:33pm Mon 3 Sep 12

red white says...

We'll go up as f+++++g champions!
We'll go up as f+++++g champions! red white
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3:35pm Mon 3 Sep 12

DaniooolCOYR says...

Also - well done Wes for manning up and apologising.

All is forgotten...
Also - well done Wes for manning up and apologising. All is forgotten... DaniooolCOYR
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3:41pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Ginge09 says...

Talk about over reaction. Yes an incident like this is going to cause a lot of debate, but how much of the above is a load of tosh.

As PDC said himself- too many supposed supporters are far to quick to have an opinion when they only know 1% of the facts. Well I think some of the above proves Paulo knows what he's talking about.

Crazy this, sack that, it's his fault this, i can't believe this, I can't believe that.
What a load of rubbish.

Have a team (in my opinion a great squad, great manager, great board) have ambitions to win the league, playing football every week, active in the transfer market, or be on the end of a Hmrc wind up order, grey sky's over the county ground, 2 hours left to find a buyer.
I know what scenario a prefer.
Think some people should open their eyes to the bigger picture.

Great things don't turn bad over night (or between Tuesday and Sunday in this case).
In Paulo we trust. Let him sort it out, rather than 'fans' talking trash on a message board, and by the next game, let's all scream at the top of the vocal chords - Come on you reds. Then wait till the end of the season, forget about the 1st week in Septemer and sing we are the champions, simply the best et al.
Talk about over reaction. Yes an incident like this is going to cause a lot of debate, but how much of the above is a load of tosh. As PDC said himself- too many supposed supporters are far to quick to have an opinion when they only know 1% of the facts. Well I think some of the above proves Paulo knows what he's talking about. Crazy this, sack that, it's his fault this, i can't believe this, I can't believe that. What a load of rubbish. Have a team (in my opinion a great squad, great manager, great board) have ambitions to win the league, playing football every week, active in the transfer market, or be on the end of a Hmrc wind up order, grey sky's over the county ground, 2 hours left to find a buyer. I know what scenario a prefer. Think some people should open their eyes to the bigger picture. Great things don't turn bad over night (or between Tuesday and Sunday in this case). In Paulo we trust. Let him sort it out, rather than 'fans' talking trash on a message board, and by the next game, let's all scream at the top of the vocal chords - Come on you reds. Then wait till the end of the season, forget about the 1st week in Septemer and sing we are the champions, simply the best et al. Ginge09
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3:41pm Mon 3 Sep 12

London Red says...

PdC never said the Caddis situation was resolved - he said the door was open but Caddis had to walk through it
.
Unlike Caddis - Wes has made this walk and is now back in favour
.
This is good news all round - Wes is still our keeper and backsides have been well and truly smacked across the squad
.
lets look forward now starting with Pox
.
My guess at the team is:
.
Fodders
Devera Ward Macca Bessone
Ritchie Ferry Bostock RDV
Williams A.Rooney
.
Bedwell Flint Miller Navarro Coke L.Rooney Collins
.
If Ritchie still out I expect Miller to play in a 4312 formation and McEveley to fill the gap on the bench
PdC never said the Caddis situation was resolved - he said the door was open but Caddis had to walk through it . Unlike Caddis - Wes has made this walk and is now back in favour . This is good news all round - Wes is still our keeper and backsides have been well and truly smacked across the squad . lets look forward now starting with Pox . My guess at the team is: . Fodders Devera Ward Macca Bessone Ritchie Ferry Bostock RDV Williams A.Rooney . Bedwell Flint Miller Navarro Coke L.Rooney Collins . If Ritchie still out I expect Miller to play in a 4312 formation and McEveley to fill the gap on the bench London Red
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3:44pm Mon 3 Sep 12

smirg kcab says...

Now for both macs, Rooney and devera should all apologise to the fans, left 15 mins early first time ever,
Disgrace performance from them all.
Onwards and upwards
Now for both macs, Rooney and devera should all apologise to the fans, left 15 mins early first time ever, Disgrace performance from them all. Onwards and upwards smirg kcab
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3:51pm Mon 3 Sep 12

RedintheFace says...

When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini.

His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club.

Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure.

Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded.

BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post.

To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist.

Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.
When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency. RedintheFace
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3:55pm Mon 3 Sep 12

chalkswindon says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Now for both macs, Rooney and devera should all apologise to the fans, left 15 mins early first time ever, Disgrace performance from them all. Onwards and upwards
I saw some fans leave at half time they were going out on the lash that night in Blackpool!

I still recall the Birmingham match so nothing was dragging me away that early.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Now for both macs, Rooney and devera should all apologise to the fans, left 15 mins early first time ever, Disgrace performance from them all. Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]I saw some fans leave at half time they were going out on the lash that night in Blackpool! I still recall the Birmingham match so nothing was dragging me away that early. chalkswindon
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4:03pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stigger says...

Cant agree with people that say those who have criticised PDC on this all have hidden agenda's or only comment when its negative. Many have posted many positive things about PDC but questioned the handling of Caddis affair (still think we've lost a quality player there) and this Wes issue. I stand by my belief that you should not sub a keeper after 20 mins (said similar things last year re Connell and Kerrouche, so not saying it just cos its Wes) and that the rant on radio after was ill advised. Also state again i'm glad of the passion and excitement that PDC has instilled, and the high standards. But he does need to work on man management, i hope that this can improve whilst keeping all the other great qualities. Also well done for Wes for apologising, he is young and people make mistakes, his reaction whilst understandable maybe was still wrong but he has done the right thing for himself, his teammates, his manager and most of all STFC. COYR
Cant agree with people that say those who have criticised PDC on this all have hidden agenda's or only comment when its negative. Many have posted many positive things about PDC but questioned the handling of Caddis affair (still think we've lost a quality player there) and this Wes issue. I stand by my belief that you should not sub a keeper after 20 mins (said similar things last year re Connell and Kerrouche, so not saying it just cos its Wes) and that the rant on radio after was ill advised. Also state again i'm glad of the passion and excitement that PDC has instilled, and the high standards. But he does need to work on man management, i hope that this can improve whilst keeping all the other great qualities. Also well done for Wes for apologising, he is young and people make mistakes, his reaction whilst understandable maybe was still wrong but he has done the right thing for himself, his teammates, his manager and most of all STFC. COYR stigger
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4:03pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Red_jools says...

Well I was certainly very impressed by the display at Stoke, but PDC saw a weak link on the pitch and with 3days of the transfer window left he didn't appear to have a goalkeeper on his shopping list, the rights and wrongs of the spat on Sunday can be commented by others, but another transfer issue after last years list of dead wood. Never mind AVB is looking to unload Cudicini and Gomez on loan, might be worth a punt!
Well I was certainly very impressed by the display at Stoke, but PDC saw a weak link on the pitch and with 3days of the transfer window left he didn't appear to have a goalkeeper on his shopping list, the rights and wrongs of the spat on Sunday can be commented by others, but another transfer issue after last years list of dead wood. Never mind AVB is looking to unload Cudicini and Gomez on loan, might be worth a punt! Red_jools
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4:03pm Mon 3 Sep 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Red you're entitled to your opinion. Last time I looked it was a free country. Not sure where Paolo has trashed our finances. Cant see many big fees being paid for players (if any) and he's dealing in a pre agreed budget with board.

Just seen Paolo press conference today where he suggests Town fans who don't like, return their season tickets and go and watch Oxford. He talks about Mourinho substituting two after 20 mins, talks about not wanting to imitate him, about we are league one and not champions league.

Correct on every count, let all other clubs laugh at us as much as they like but we'll be winning the league - rest easy people.
Red you're entitled to your opinion. Last time I looked it was a free country. Not sure where Paolo has trashed our finances. Cant see many big fees being paid for players (if any) and he's dealing in a pre agreed budget with board. Just seen Paolo press conference today where he suggests Town fans who don't like, return their season tickets and go and watch Oxford. He talks about Mourinho substituting two after 20 mins, talks about not wanting to imitate him, about we are league one and not champions league. Correct on every count, let all other clubs laugh at us as much as they like but we'll be winning the league - rest easy people. dreamofacleansheet2
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4:04pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Lazaat says...

RedintheFace wrote:
When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.
You are the bigot and i for one hope you never come back to the CG and i suspect most of my fellow "real supporters" will endorse that! So do us a favour M8 and stay away as you have just proved what a true bigot you are!

Now lets get back to more important things.........I have read on twitter that Wes and Paulo have sorted things out (as you all now know), cant say what a relief this is and i think we will now be even stronger and more united than before and hopefully the Pox will get the backlash on Wednesday. COYRsssssssss
[quote][p][bold]RedintheFace[/bold] wrote: When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.[/p][/quote]You are the bigot and i for one hope you never come back to the CG and i suspect most of my fellow "real supporters" will endorse that! So do us a favour M8 and stay away as you have just proved what a true bigot you are! Now lets get back to more important things.........I have read on twitter that Wes and Paulo have sorted things out (as you all now know), cant say what a relief this is and i think we will now be even stronger and more united than before and hopefully the Pox will get the backlash on Wednesday. COYRsssssssss Lazaat
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4:10pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Another view says...

They've kissed and made up -
www.swindontownfc.co
.uk/page/Home/

I think they have both got the message that maybe they went just a teeny tiny bit over the top. Hopefully we can get on with the football, and lessons learned.
They've kissed and made up - www.swindontownfc.co .uk/page/Home/ I think they have both got the message that maybe they went just a teeny tiny bit over the top. Hopefully we can get on with the football, and lessons learned. Another view
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4:11pm Mon 3 Sep 12

smirg kcab says...

Just in news on sky
Paolos not happy with the fans and told them to go to Oxford then come back to the county ground to get your money back.
Well that's it then paolo I am f---ing going to Oxford then will be back on saturday to see us muller l-o. As for getting my money back no chance.
He still sounds not a happy bunny
Onwards and upwards
Just in news on sky Paolos not happy with the fans and told them to go to Oxford then come back to the county ground to get your money back. Well that's it then paolo I am f---ing going to Oxford then will be back on saturday to see us muller l-o. As for getting my money back no chance. He still sounds not a happy bunny Onwards and upwards smirg kcab
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4:19pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Just in news on sky
Paolos not happy with the fans and told them to go to Oxford then come back to the county ground to get your money back.
Well that's it then paolo I am f---ing going to Oxford then will be back on saturday to see us muller l-o. As for getting my money back no chance.
He still sounds not a happy bunny
Onwards and upwards
No doubt the PDC fandom club will accuse of bashing again but he is wrong here if this based on the Wes situation,we are entitled to an opinion and the bottom line it is our money that helps keep the club going.
Now to be contradicting,if he is on about general then he has a point as there are a lot of whingers and moaners that complain about anything and can not wait for something to moan about at the County Ground.
Hear it all the time around me,missed pass missed shot moan moan moan moan.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Just in news on sky Paolos not happy with the fans and told them to go to Oxford then come back to the county ground to get your money back. Well that's it then paolo I am f---ing going to Oxford then will be back on saturday to see us muller l-o. As for getting my money back no chance. He still sounds not a happy bunny Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]No doubt the PDC fandom club will accuse of bashing again but he is wrong here if this based on the Wes situation,we are entitled to an opinion and the bottom line it is our money that helps keep the club going. Now to be contradicting,if he is on about general then he has a point as there are a lot of whingers and moaners that complain about anything and can not wait for something to moan about at the County Ground. Hear it all the time around me,missed pass missed shot moan moan moan moan. swwindon61uk
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4:21pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

Great news.
Great news. Oi Den!
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4:21pm Mon 3 Sep 12

35yrRED says...

avo wrote:
35yr Red
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You make good points apart from the stay away fans and armchair fan bits, please don't tar all with a generalisation like that. Many have differing reasons for their absence..
.
Anyone lend me 20 quid for the next game?
Trust me...it was not aimed at those that can't make it because of their own personal reasons....it was aimed at those that moan, groan and jump on the ANTI Manager bandwagon whilst not giving a **** about the club. For example a near neighbour of mine who could easily afford to attend but doesn't, never listens to the coverage on the radio and yet has soon as he gets wind of something amiss he on to the radio, web sites, notice boards and even Sky Sports to give his view!!! I could quite happily have parked my car on his head this morning when I heard him going on to all that would listen in the street this morning.

On the good side Wes has appologised...it has all been resolved and he will be picked tomorrow..>WES HAS ACCEPTED HIS MISTAKE AND HIS FINE!!!!!
THERE YOU GO ANTI PDC BRIGADE....HE GOT IT RIGHT!!!!


COME ON YOU REDS......AND FOR THE ANTI PDC BRIGADE...INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING DO WHAT PDC AS OFFERED....TAKE YOUR SEASON TICKET (ASSUMING YOU HAVE ONE) TO THE CG AND HE WILL PERSONALLY GIVE YOU A REFUND.....if not....get behind the team and start supporting them!!!
[quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: 35yr Red . You make good points apart from the stay away fans and armchair fan bits, please don't tar all with a generalisation like that. Many have differing reasons for their absence.. . Anyone lend me 20 quid for the next game?[/p][/quote]Trust me...it was not aimed at those that can't make it because of their own personal reasons....it was aimed at those that moan, groan and jump on the ANTI Manager bandwagon whilst not giving a **** about the club. For example a near neighbour of mine who could easily afford to attend but doesn't, never listens to the coverage on the radio and yet has soon as he gets wind of something amiss he on to the radio, web sites, notice boards and even Sky Sports to give his view!!! I could quite happily have parked my car on his head this morning when I heard him going on to all that would listen in the street this morning. On the good side Wes has appologised...it has all been resolved and he will be picked tomorrow..>WES HAS ACCEPTED HIS MISTAKE AND HIS FINE!!!!! THERE YOU GO ANTI PDC BRIGADE....HE GOT IT RIGHT!!!! COME ON YOU REDS......AND FOR THE ANTI PDC BRIGADE...INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING DO WHAT PDC AS OFFERED....TAKE YOUR SEASON TICKET (ASSUMING YOU HAVE ONE) TO THE CG AND HE WILL PERSONALLY GIVE YOU A REFUND.....if not....get behind the team and start supporting them!!! 35yrRED
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4:27pm Mon 3 Sep 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy.

Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket??

As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge.

Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.
Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy. Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket?? As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge. Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant. dreamofacleansheet2
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4:30pm Mon 3 Sep 12

billbst says...

Great news about things being put right. Suspect and hope that we can see a bit of JWray's influence here.
Great news about things being put right. Suspect and hope that we can see a bit of JWray's influence here. billbst
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4:32pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy.

Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket??

As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge.

Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.
Really is quite simple that does eem to get overlooked,there are fans that did not like the way Wes treated and are still massive fans of PDC and what he is doing for this club.
For some reason some posters don't think you can do both!
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy. Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket?? As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge. Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.[/p][/quote]Really is quite simple that does eem to get overlooked,there are fans that did not like the way Wes treated and are still massive fans of PDC and what he is doing for this club. For some reason some posters don't think you can do both! swwindon61uk
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4:36pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Ginge09 says...

Lazaat wrote:
RedintheFace wrote:
When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.
You are the bigot and i for one hope you never come back to the CG and i suspect most of my fellow "real supporters" will endorse that! So do us a favour M8 and stay away as you have just proved what a true bigot you are!

Now lets get back to more important things.........I have read on twitter that Wes and Paulo have sorted things out (as you all now know), cant say what a relief this is and i think we will now be even stronger and more united than before and hopefully the Pox will get the backlash on Wednesday. COYRsssssssss
Lazaat- real fan here. I second that.

Paulo is a football man. Paulo is a winner.

Paulo wants the best for the football club- because that means Paulo has won the league, an Paulo lives to win and that's what gets him put of bed in the morning.

Clarke was in the wrong- bang out of order

Caddis made a mistake, Paulo t
[quote][p][bold]Lazaat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RedintheFace[/bold] wrote: When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.[/p][/quote]You are the bigot and i for one hope you never come back to the CG and i suspect most of my fellow "real supporters" will endorse that! So do us a favour M8 and stay away as you have just proved what a true bigot you are! Now lets get back to more important things.........I have read on twitter that Wes and Paulo have sorted things out (as you all now know), cant say what a relief this is and i think we will now be even stronger and more united than before and hopefully the Pox will get the backlash on Wednesday. COYRsssssssss[/p][/quote]Lazaat- real fan here. I second that. Paulo is a football man. Paulo is a winner. Paulo wants the best for the football club- because that means Paulo has won the league, an Paulo lives to win and that's what gets him put of bed in the morning. Clarke was in the wrong- bang out of order Caddis made a mistake, Paulo t Ginge09
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4:36pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Bootlegger says...

PdC is an advocate for the fans and has shown that he is accountable to them (after match scenes at Preston). His message is that if you want success trust him, if you don't go support another team. Subbing your goalie is a bit radical, Cloughie was radical subbing Martin O'Neil when he was on a hattrick for hogging the ball. He knows another club will pick him up, in the lower leagues he could double the gate overnight. 70% on Talksport think that PdC was not out of order yesterday.

Lets get behind the club, PdC is the manager, and if you don't accept that fact, then supporting another club or none at all is the logical conclusion.
PdC is an advocate for the fans and has shown that he is accountable to them (after match scenes at Preston). His message is that if you want success trust him, if you don't go support another team. Subbing your goalie is a bit radical, Cloughie was radical subbing Martin O'Neil when he was on a hattrick for hogging the ball. He knows another club will pick him up, in the lower leagues he could double the gate overnight. 70% on Talksport think that PdC was not out of order yesterday. Lets get behind the club, PdC is the manager, and if you don't accept that fact, then supporting another club or none at all is the logical conclusion. Bootlegger
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4:38pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Psychedelic Syd says...

Big relief - hope both Paolo and Wes have learned something from this, time to move on. Thank goodness.
Big relief - hope both Paolo and Wes have learned something from this, time to move on. Thank goodness. Psychedelic Syd
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4:41pm Mon 3 Sep 12

mike1990 says...

Blimey 260 posts and before five o'clock,that must be a record,it's all down to Marmite PDC.love him or hate him he's box office,there used to be about 20 when boring Malpas was Manager,well good to hear they've kissed and made up,tell em to get a room lol.
Blimey 260 posts and before five o'clock,that must be a record,it's all down to Marmite PDC.love him or hate him he's box office,there used to be about 20 when boring Malpas was Manager,well good to hear they've kissed and made up,tell em to get a room lol. mike1990
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4:43pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Ginge09 says...

Ginge09 wrote:
Lazaat wrote:
RedintheFace wrote:
When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.
You are the bigot and i for one hope you never come back to the CG and i suspect most of my fellow "real supporters" will endorse that! So do us a favour M8 and stay away as you have just proved what a true bigot you are!

Now lets get back to more important things.........I have read on twitter that Wes and Paulo have sorted things out (as you all now know), cant say what a relief this is and i think we will now be even stronger and more united than before and hopefully the Pox will get the backlash on Wednesday. COYRsssssssss
Lazaat- real fan here. I second that.

Paulo is a football man. Paulo is a winner.

Paulo wants the best for the football club- because that means Paulo has won the league, an Paulo lives to win and that's what gets him put of bed in the morning.

Clarke was in the wrong- bang out of order

Caddis made a mistake, Paulo t
StupId iPhone
Cassis made a mistake, Paulo told him off- Caddis could have come back- the door was open. Caddis decided against that. In my opinion Caddis would have been a better player for sorting the rift with Paulo.

Wes made a mistake- Paulo told him off...... But Wes said said sorry....... And we're back to playing football.

Think it proves if Caddis had said sorry....... He'd be in the team against the pox. fact.

Man management isn't about being txt book, and keeping everyone happy. Man management is getting the way out of everyone and winning. Paulos record- 1 season, 1 league winners medal. I rest my case.

Paulo was on the money on his sky interview..... We are Swindon town of league 1- not The team about to win the champions league (yet). Let's be real about this!

Red in the face- take up Paulos offer of giving you your money back, and go and support the pox,
[quote][p][bold]Ginge09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazaat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RedintheFace[/bold] wrote: When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.[/p][/quote]You are the bigot and i for one hope you never come back to the CG and i suspect most of my fellow "real supporters" will endorse that! So do us a favour M8 and stay away as you have just proved what a true bigot you are! Now lets get back to more important things.........I have read on twitter that Wes and Paulo have sorted things out (as you all now know), cant say what a relief this is and i think we will now be even stronger and more united than before and hopefully the Pox will get the backlash on Wednesday. COYRsssssssss[/p][/quote]Lazaat- real fan here. I second that. Paulo is a football man. Paulo is a winner. Paulo wants the best for the football club- because that means Paulo has won the league, an Paulo lives to win and that's what gets him put of bed in the morning. Clarke was in the wrong- bang out of order Caddis made a mistake, Paulo t[/p][/quote]StupId iPhone Cassis made a mistake, Paulo told him off- Caddis could have come back- the door was open. Caddis decided against that. In my opinion Caddis would have been a better player for sorting the rift with Paulo. Wes made a mistake- Paulo told him off...... But Wes said said sorry....... And we're back to playing football. Think it proves if Caddis had said sorry....... He'd be in the team against the pox. fact. Man management isn't about being txt book, and keeping everyone happy. Man management is getting the way out of everyone and winning. Paulos record- 1 season, 1 league winners medal. I rest my case. Paulo was on the money on his sky interview..... We are Swindon town of league 1- not The team about to win the champions league (yet). Let's be real about this! Red in the face- take up Paulos offer of giving you your money back, and go and support the pox, Ginge09
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4:47pm Mon 3 Sep 12

London Red says...

Based on Cardiff where the 16,000 Season Ticket holders were in uproar over their club's soul (what was left of that) was sold as they became the Malaysian Dragons a grand total of 17 had their money returned!
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Going by that I wouldn't think PdC will be buying many ST's
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He will have to buy 1 as someone is bound to test it - but I don't think he will care about the cost - as he is not motivated by money
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Remember he offered to take a cut in his salary if it went into his playing budget!!!!!!
Based on Cardiff where the 16,000 Season Ticket holders were in uproar over their club's soul (what was left of that) was sold as they became the Malaysian Dragons a grand total of 17 had their money returned! . Going by that I wouldn't think PdC will be buying many ST's . He will have to buy 1 as someone is bound to test it - but I don't think he will care about the cost - as he is not motivated by money . Remember he offered to take a cut in his salary if it went into his playing budget!!!!!! London Red
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4:50pm Mon 3 Sep 12

London Red says...

Ginge - he can't take up the offer as he doesn't go anymore!
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But is happy to return after PdC has taken us from L2 to the Championship!!!!!
Ginge - he can't take up the offer as he doesn't go anymore! . But is happy to return after PdC has taken us from L2 to the Championship!!!!! London Red
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4:51pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

mike1990 wrote:
Blimey 260 posts and before five o'clock,that must be a record,it's all down to Marmite PDC.love him or hate him he's box office,there used to be about 20 when boring Malpas was Manager,well good to hear they've kissed and made up,tell em to get a room lol.
Mike, I think that's exactly the trouble. Some people think you have to love him or hate him. We don't have to do either. We just have to support him. And supporting him doesn't necessarily mean offering our unconditional blind faith. We all have minds of our own - and it is our club. It was our club long before Paolo arrived, and it will be our club long after he has gone. Like it or not, he is passing through. We are Swindon till we die.
[quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: Blimey 260 posts and before five o'clock,that must be a record,it's all down to Marmite PDC.love him or hate him he's box office,there used to be about 20 when boring Malpas was Manager,well good to hear they've kissed and made up,tell em to get a room lol.[/p][/quote]Mike, I think that's exactly the trouble. Some people think you have to love him or hate him. We don't have to do either. We just have to support him. And supporting him doesn't necessarily mean offering our unconditional blind faith. We all have minds of our own - and it is our club. It was our club long before Paolo arrived, and it will be our club long after he has gone. Like it or not, he is passing through. We are Swindon till we die. Oi Den!
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4:56pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stfcknowitall says...

Lazaat wrote:
RedintheFace wrote: When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.
You are the bigot and i for one hope you never come back to the CG and i suspect most of my fellow "real supporters" will endorse that! So do us a favour M8 and stay away as you have just proved what a true bigot you are! Now lets get back to more important things.........I have read on twitter that Wes and Paulo have sorted things out (as you all now know), cant say what a relief this is and i think we will now be even stronger and more united than before and hopefully the Pox will get the backlash on Wednesday. COYRsssssssss
well said lazaat! What a total and utter t**t! Typical armchair fan that wants the success that Paolo brings but not him in person. Well I dont care what paolo says, does or wants, he can say,do and have what he wants...after all he's PAOLO DI CANIO, HE DOES WANT HE WANTS!!

All aboard Paolo's barmy army bus to oxford!!!
[quote][p][bold]Lazaat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RedintheFace[/bold] wrote: When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.[/p][/quote]You are the bigot and i for one hope you never come back to the CG and i suspect most of my fellow "real supporters" will endorse that! So do us a favour M8 and stay away as you have just proved what a true bigot you are! Now lets get back to more important things.........I have read on twitter that Wes and Paulo have sorted things out (as you all now know), cant say what a relief this is and i think we will now be even stronger and more united than before and hopefully the Pox will get the backlash on Wednesday. COYRsssssssss[/p][/quote]well said lazaat! What a total and utter t**t! Typical armchair fan that wants the success that Paolo brings but not him in person. Well I dont care what paolo says, does or wants, he can say,do and have what he wants...after all he's PAOLO DI CANIO, HE DOES WANT HE WANTS!! All aboard Paolo's barmy army bus to oxford!!! stfcknowitall
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4:57pm Mon 3 Sep 12

London Red says...

For those who don't think that it is in the press until on the adver website here is the apology they will print tomorrow
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“Having already spoken to the manager and my teammates following Sunday’s game at Preston, I would like to apologise to the Swindon supporters for my actions.

“I was frustrated with myself in the heat of the moment and the disappointment of being substituted so early in the game.

“I appreciate the time, money and effort that Swindon Town fans spend to watch us play across the country and I hope they would agree that I’ve always given 100%. I have always appreciated their support and it goes without saying that I will continue to always give my all for Swindon and I know I can rely on the fans for their continued support.

“I will always be grateful to the manager and Swindon Town for giving me the opportunity to play first team football and I would never take that for granted.”

The ‘keeper also moved to praise fellow goalkeeper Leigh Bedwell, who made his Football League debut at Deepdale.

“Bedders has always worked hard and despite the circumstances, I was delighted to see him make his first senior appearance. On reflection I should have shaken his hand when I came off but we’ve trained together on Monday and we will continue to help each other out.”
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Very humble and shows he is a decent chap - the part about not shaking Bedwell's hand is the bits PdC was talking about and the part lots of ranters seemed to ignore - the team element
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As said above had Caddis made a similar statement he probably would be playing for us now - the fact he didn't suggest unlike Wes he didn't want to
For those who don't think that it is in the press until on the adver website here is the apology they will print tomorrow . “Having already spoken to the manager and my teammates following Sunday’s game at Preston, I would like to apologise to the Swindon supporters for my actions. “I was frustrated with myself in the heat of the moment and the disappointment of being substituted so early in the game. “I appreciate the time, money and effort that Swindon Town fans spend to watch us play across the country and I hope they would agree that I’ve always given 100%. I have always appreciated their support and it goes without saying that I will continue to always give my all for Swindon and I know I can rely on the fans for their continued support. “I will always be grateful to the manager and Swindon Town for giving me the opportunity to play first team football and I would never take that for granted.” The ‘keeper also moved to praise fellow goalkeeper Leigh Bedwell, who made his Football League debut at Deepdale. “Bedders has always worked hard and despite the circumstances, I was delighted to see him make his first senior appearance. On reflection I should have shaken his hand when I came off but we’ve trained together on Monday and we will continue to help each other out.” . Very humble and shows he is a decent chap - the part about not shaking Bedwell's hand is the bits PdC was talking about and the part lots of ranters seemed to ignore - the team element . As said above had Caddis made a similar statement he probably would be playing for us now - the fact he didn't suggest unlike Wes he didn't want to London Red
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4:58pm Mon 3 Sep 12

mike1990 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Blimey 260 posts and before five o'clock,that must be a record,it's all down to Marmite PDC.love him or hate him he's box office,there used to be about 20 when boring Malpas was Manager,well good to hear they've kissed and made up,tell em to get a room lol.
Mike, I think that's exactly the trouble. Some people think you have to love him or hate him. We don't have to do either. We just have to support him. And supporting him doesn't necessarily mean offering our unconditional blind faith. We all have minds of our own - and it is our club. It was our club long before Paolo arrived, and it will be our club long after he has gone. Like it or not, he is passing through. We are Swindon till we die.
Yep thats right Oi Den and no one is bigger than our club.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: Blimey 260 posts and before five o'clock,that must be a record,it's all down to Marmite PDC.love him or hate him he's box office,there used to be about 20 when boring Malpas was Manager,well good to hear they've kissed and made up,tell em to get a room lol.[/p][/quote]Mike, I think that's exactly the trouble. Some people think you have to love him or hate him. We don't have to do either. We just have to support him. And supporting him doesn't necessarily mean offering our unconditional blind faith. We all have minds of our own - and it is our club. It was our club long before Paolo arrived, and it will be our club long after he has gone. Like it or not, he is passing through. We are Swindon till we die.[/p][/quote]Yep thats right Oi Den and no one is bigger than our club. mike1990
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5:01pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Rebel_phish says...

Wow. Commented around midday when the count was around 150. This item certainly got some momentum.

Still, all I can say is thank goodness there has been an apology. Now just pick up all the toys and put them back in their respective prams, so you all know where they are whe you want to throw them again.
Wow. Commented around midday when the count was around 150. This item certainly got some momentum. Still, all I can say is thank goodness there has been an apology. Now just pick up all the toys and put them back in their respective prams, so you all know where they are whe you want to throw them again. Rebel_phish
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5:10pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Kingseleven says...

Fcuk ! Just took me an hour to scroll to the bottom. Every one of you on here has a valid point. They are all your opinions and you have every right to express them. I love reading the posts and hearing the arguments for and against. I have my views too.

Thank you Wes for apologising. The club needs you.

Thank you Paulo for being the best manager since Macari/ Hoddle. The club needs you.

But above all thank you the fans, because managers and players move on but the fans rarely do. The club is nothing without you !

I'm in a good mood today !!! The season will go well for us as did the last one, we won't walk it but we will be there when it counts.
Fcuk ! Just took me an hour to scroll to the bottom. Every one of you on here has a valid point. They are all your opinions and you have every right to express them. I love reading the posts and hearing the arguments for and against. I have my views too. Thank you Wes for apologising. The club needs you. Thank you Paulo for being the best manager since Macari/ Hoddle. The club needs you. But above all thank you the fans, because managers and players move on but the fans rarely do. The club is nothing without you ! I'm in a good mood today !!! The season will go well for us as did the last one, we won't walk it but we will be there when it counts. Kingseleven
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5:10pm Mon 3 Sep 12

stigger says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy.

Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket??

As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge.

Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.
Really is quite simple that does eem to get overlooked,there are fans that did not like the way Wes treated and are still massive fans of PDC and what he is doing for this club.
For some reason some posters don't think you can do both!
Absolutely spot on! It is possible to criticise someone for one aspect but still be a big fan of most of what they do, like you fan of Wes and Paolo
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy. Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket?? As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge. Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.[/p][/quote]Really is quite simple that does eem to get overlooked,there are fans that did not like the way Wes treated and are still massive fans of PDC and what he is doing for this club. For some reason some posters don't think you can do both![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on! It is possible to criticise someone for one aspect but still be a big fan of most of what they do, like you fan of Wes and Paolo stigger
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5:14pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Exmouth_red69 says...

Probably 70% of the anti Paolo comments are from Scumford trolls on this site ;-)
Probably 70% of the anti Paolo comments are from Scumford trolls on this site ;-) Exmouth_red69
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5:25pm Mon 3 Sep 12

the don69 says...

mike1990 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
Blimey 260 posts and before five o'clock,that must be a record,it's all down to Marmite PDC.love him or hate him he's box office,there used to be about 20 when boring Malpas was Manager,well good to hear they've kissed and made up,tell em to get a room lol.
Mike, I think that's exactly the trouble. Some people think you have to love him or hate him. We don't have to do either. We just have to support him. And supporting him doesn't necessarily mean offering our unconditional blind faith. We all have minds of our own - and it is our club. It was our club long before Paolo arrived, and it will be our club long after he has gone. Like it or not, he is passing through. We are Swindon till we die.
Yep thats right Oi Den and no one is bigger than our club.
I'll tell you what has happened Chaps!Nanny J-Wray went into the Play-room,smacked their botties,made them put all their Toys back in their prams!then told them they'll get no sweets for a week!hahaha!!!!!!!!!
!!!!
[quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: Blimey 260 posts and before five o'clock,that must be a record,it's all down to Marmite PDC.love him or hate him he's box office,there used to be about 20 when boring Malpas was Manager,well good to hear they've kissed and made up,tell em to get a room lol.[/p][/quote]Mike, I think that's exactly the trouble. Some people think you have to love him or hate him. We don't have to do either. We just have to support him. And supporting him doesn't necessarily mean offering our unconditional blind faith. We all have minds of our own - and it is our club. It was our club long before Paolo arrived, and it will be our club long after he has gone. Like it or not, he is passing through. We are Swindon till we die.[/p][/quote]Yep thats right Oi Den and no one is bigger than our club.[/p][/quote]I'll tell you what has happened Chaps!Nanny J-Wray went into the Play-room,smacked their botties,made them put all their Toys back in their prams!then told them they'll get no sweets for a week!hahaha!!!!!!!!! !!!! the don69
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5:26pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Cookie43 says...

RedintheFace wrote:
When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini.

His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club.

Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure.

Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded.

BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post.

To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist.

Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.
MUPPET!!!!
Stay away and never come back
good or bad i support my club home and away
people like you disgust me you are not and i repeat NOT!! a true swindon town fan
If we had your way we would be back to the dark days of Malpass or Hart is that what you want?
apparently Wes had been upping himself on twitter and needed to be brought down a peg or two
I love what Di canio has done to my beloved club league 2 champions and i am sure promotion this season and to all you Paulo slaters remember the dark days and be careful what you wish for!!!
If you went to Stoke you would of seen the passion this man has for us and the club and you repay that with slagging him off. I for one think he is a breath of fresh air i will forever be grateful to him for the success he has delivered and long may it continue.
WE ARE PAULO'S RED AND WHITE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]RedintheFace[/bold] wrote: When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.[/p][/quote]MUPPET!!!! Stay away and never come back good or bad i support my club home and away people like you disgust me you are not and i repeat NOT!! a true swindon town fan If we had your way we would be back to the dark days of Malpass or Hart is that what you want? apparently Wes had been upping himself on twitter and needed to be brought down a peg or two I love what Di canio has done to my beloved club league 2 champions and i am sure promotion this season and to all you Paulo slaters remember the dark days and be careful what you wish for!!! If you went to Stoke you would of seen the passion this man has for us and the club and you repay that with slagging him off. I for one think he is a breath of fresh air i will forever be grateful to him for the success he has delivered and long may it continue. WE ARE PAULO'S RED AND WHITE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cookie43
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5:28pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Probably 70% of the anti Paolo comments are from Scumford trolls on this site ;-)
Again i think this is wrong,i think one person is against PDC and that is down to his political views,the rest of the posts are not anti PDC just voicing an opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Exmouth_red69[/bold] wrote: Probably 70% of the anti Paolo comments are from Scumford trolls on this site ;-)[/p][/quote]Again i think this is wrong,i think one person is against PDC and that is down to his political views,the rest of the posts are not anti PDC just voicing an opinion. swwindon61uk
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5:30pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jayden says...

London Red wrote:
For those who don't think that it is in the press until on the adver website here is the apology they will print tomorrow
.
“Having already spoken to the manager and my teammates following Sunday’s game at Preston, I would like to apologise to the Swindon supporters for my actions.

“I was frustrated with myself in the heat of the moment and the disappointment of being substituted so early in the game.

“I appreciate the time, money and effort that Swindon Town fans spend to watch us play across the country and I hope they would agree that I’ve always given 100%. I have always appreciated their support and it goes without saying that I will continue to always give my all for Swindon and I know I can rely on the fans for their continued support.

“I will always be grateful to the manager and Swindon Town for giving me the opportunity to play first team football and I would never take that for granted.”

The ‘keeper also moved to praise fellow goalkeeper Leigh Bedwell, who made his Football League debut at Deepdale.

“Bedders has always worked hard and despite the circumstances, I was delighted to see him make his first senior appearance. On reflection I should have shaken his hand when I came off but we’ve trained together on Monday and we will continue to help each other out.”
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Very humble and shows he is a decent chap - the part about not shaking Bedwell's hand is the bits PdC was talking about and the part lots of ranters seemed to ignore - the team element
.
As said above had Caddis made a similar statement he probably would be playing for us now - the fact he didn't suggest unlike Wes he didn't want to
I did point out last season how wes was with Phil smith now he is doing the same to Bedwell .Last season he joined as a num 2 and became no1 so he should help Bedwell ,also noticed in the Mk dons match when they changed ends at kick off he totaly blanked their keeper as they passed all though their keeper held his gloves out to touch.I know this is only a small point but Pdc is all about small details.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: For those who don't think that it is in the press until on the adver website here is the apology they will print tomorrow . “Having already spoken to the manager and my teammates following Sunday’s game at Preston, I would like to apologise to the Swindon supporters for my actions. “I was frustrated with myself in the heat of the moment and the disappointment of being substituted so early in the game. “I appreciate the time, money and effort that Swindon Town fans spend to watch us play across the country and I hope they would agree that I’ve always given 100%. I have always appreciated their support and it goes without saying that I will continue to always give my all for Swindon and I know I can rely on the fans for their continued support. “I will always be grateful to the manager and Swindon Town for giving me the opportunity to play first team football and I would never take that for granted.” The ‘keeper also moved to praise fellow goalkeeper Leigh Bedwell, who made his Football League debut at Deepdale. “Bedders has always worked hard and despite the circumstances, I was delighted to see him make his first senior appearance. On reflection I should have shaken his hand when I came off but we’ve trained together on Monday and we will continue to help each other out.” . Very humble and shows he is a decent chap - the part about not shaking Bedwell's hand is the bits PdC was talking about and the part lots of ranters seemed to ignore - the team element . As said above had Caddis made a similar statement he probably would be playing for us now - the fact he didn't suggest unlike Wes he didn't want to[/p][/quote]I did point out last season how wes was with Phil smith now he is doing the same to Bedwell .Last season he joined as a num 2 and became no1 so he should help Bedwell ,also noticed in the Mk dons match when they changed ends at kick off he totaly blanked their keeper as they passed all though their keeper held his gloves out to touch.I know this is only a small point but Pdc is all about small details. jayden
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5:31pm Mon 3 Sep 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Probably 70% of the anti Paolo comments are from Scumford trolls on this site ;-)
If not Scumford then they should be - they just have to ask a question to themselves:
- Were you ever the best player not to have played for their country?
- Could you have led STFC to a League 2 title last season including some major cup shocks?
-Could you have masterminded a win over Stoke?
- Have you placed your reputation of 100% commitment on the line as a manager?
- Are you totally transparent in the way you work your expectations and your style?
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If you can't answer Yes to any of those then don't abuse his humanity or shout for him to apologise etc.
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Would we do the same? Maybe not but we aren't doing his job!...He is getting rid of this 'The BIG I AM' type player and Fodders has done the ultimate in publicly apologising....Well done Town, Fodders and more importantly - Well Done PDC!!
==
Onwards and Upwards & God, Budha and Allah etc. help Poxford tomorrow!!
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ESS! TEE! EFF! CEE!
[quote][p][bold]Exmouth_red69[/bold] wrote: Probably 70% of the anti Paolo comments are from Scumford trolls on this site ;-)[/p][/quote]If not Scumford then they should be - they just have to ask a question to themselves: - Were you ever the best player not to have played for their country? - Could you have led STFC to a League 2 title last season including some major cup shocks? -Could you have masterminded a win over Stoke? - Have you placed your reputation of 100% commitment on the line as a manager? - Are you totally transparent in the way you work your expectations and your style? -- If you can't answer Yes to any of those then don't abuse his humanity or shout for him to apologise etc. -- Would we do the same? Maybe not but we aren't doing his job!...He is getting rid of this 'The BIG I AM' type player and Fodders has done the ultimate in publicly apologising....Well done Town, Fodders and more importantly - Well Done PDC!! == Onwards and Upwards & God, Budha and Allah etc. help Poxford tomorrow!! -- ESS! TEE! EFF! CEE! SAPFanSTFC
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5:36pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

jayden wrote:
London Red wrote:
For those who don't think that it is in the press until on the adver website here is the apology they will print tomorrow
.
“Having already spoken to the manager and my teammates following Sunday’s game at Preston, I would like to apologise to the Swindon supporters for my actions.

“I was frustrated with myself in the heat of the moment and the disappointment of being substituted so early in the game.

“I appreciate the time, money and effort that Swindon Town fans spend to watch us play across the country and I hope they would agree that I’ve always given 100%. I have always appreciated their support and it goes without saying that I will continue to always give my all for Swindon and I know I can rely on the fans for their continued support.

“I will always be grateful to the manager and Swindon Town for giving me the opportunity to play first team football and I would never take that for granted.”

The ‘keeper also moved to praise fellow goalkeeper Leigh Bedwell, who made his Football League debut at Deepdale.

“Bedders has always worked hard and despite the circumstances, I was delighted to see him make his first senior appearance. On reflection I should have shaken his hand when I came off but we’ve trained together on Monday and we will continue to help each other out.”
.
Very humble and shows he is a decent chap - the part about not shaking Bedwell's hand is the bits PdC was talking about and the part lots of ranters seemed to ignore - the team element
.
As said above had Caddis made a similar statement he probably would be playing for us now - the fact he didn't suggest unlike Wes he didn't want to
I did point out last season how wes was with Phil smith now he is doing the same to Bedwell .Last season he joined as a num 2 and became no1 so he should help Bedwell ,also noticed in the Mk dons match when they changed ends at kick off he totaly blanked their keeper as they passed all though their keeper held his gloves out to touch.I know this is only a small point but Pdc is all about small details.
I did notice this also,i am now going to see if this happens regularly not jut here but elsewhere also..
I thought martin was a good goalkeeper BTW :-)
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: For those who don't think that it is in the press until on the adver website here is the apology they will print tomorrow . “Having already spoken to the manager and my teammates following Sunday’s game at Preston, I would like to apologise to the Swindon supporters for my actions. “I was frustrated with myself in the heat of the moment and the disappointment of being substituted so early in the game. “I appreciate the time, money and effort that Swindon Town fans spend to watch us play across the country and I hope they would agree that I’ve always given 100%. I have always appreciated their support and it goes without saying that I will continue to always give my all for Swindon and I know I can rely on the fans for their continued support. “I will always be grateful to the manager and Swindon Town for giving me the opportunity to play first team football and I would never take that for granted.” The ‘keeper also moved to praise fellow goalkeeper Leigh Bedwell, who made his Football League debut at Deepdale. “Bedders has always worked hard and despite the circumstances, I was delighted to see him make his first senior appearance. On reflection I should have shaken his hand when I came off but we’ve trained together on Monday and we will continue to help each other out.” . Very humble and shows he is a decent chap - the part about not shaking Bedwell's hand is the bits PdC was talking about and the part lots of ranters seemed to ignore - the team element . As said above had Caddis made a similar statement he probably would be playing for us now - the fact he didn't suggest unlike Wes he didn't want to[/p][/quote]I did point out last season how wes was with Phil smith now he is doing the same to Bedwell .Last season he joined as a num 2 and became no1 so he should help Bedwell ,also noticed in the Mk dons match when they changed ends at kick off he totaly blanked their keeper as they passed all though their keeper held his gloves out to touch.I know this is only a small point but Pdc is all about small details.[/p][/quote]I did notice this also,i am now going to see if this happens regularly not jut here but elsewhere also.. I thought martin was a good goalkeeper BTW :-) swwindon61uk
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5:37pm Mon 3 Sep 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat!
No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.
Oh...misreading someone else to your convenience Oi Den!?
..
You seem to enjoy mis-representing others points and then having a go at them....then you wonder why they get frustrated at your words/actions!
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Just try putting your opinion on the back-burner, reading the comments in the manner they're intended and then applying a logical response which take the other person's point of view into account...not too much to ask for and then your undoubted intelligence would then shine through in a PROPER debate as opposed to the interpreted version.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat![/p][/quote]No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.[/p][/quote]Oh...misreading someone else to your convenience Oi Den!? .. You seem to enjoy mis-representing others points and then having a go at them....then you wonder why they get frustrated at your words/actions! -- Just try putting your opinion on the back-burner, reading the comments in the manner they're intended and then applying a logical response which take the other person's point of view into account...not too much to ask for and then your undoubted intelligence would then shine through in a PROPER debate as opposed to the interpreted version. SAPFanSTFC
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5:40pm Mon 3 Sep 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views.

Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal.

Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch.

The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times.

However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards.

The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership.

Back to back to back promotions coming.......
For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views. Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal. Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch. The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times. However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards. The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership. Back to back to back promotions coming....... dreamofacleansheet2
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5:43pm Mon 3 Sep 12

deviant in the tupping pen says...

Well done Wes, we all needed that. Can we move on now?
Well done Wes, we all needed that. Can we move on now? deviant in the tupping pen
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5:46pm Mon 3 Sep 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views.

Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal.

Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch.

The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times.

However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards.

The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership.

Back to back to back promotions coming.......
Hi there Dream'O - Good post!
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Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold.
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I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area.
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PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'!
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views. Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal. Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch. The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times. However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards. The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership. Back to back to back promotions coming.......[/p][/quote]Hi there Dream'O - Good post! ... Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold. -- I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area. -- PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'! SAPFanSTFC
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6:08pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Steve. Brentford says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy.

Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket??

As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge.

Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.
Really is quite simple that does eem to get overlooked,there are fans that did not like the way Wes treated and are still massive fans of PDC and what he is doing for this club.
For some reason some posters don't think you can do both!
Yes you are spot on swwindon61,sorry Dreamo i think your post is taking the p1ss a little don't you?why would you want to post such sh1t aimed at our fans?i don't understand that one bit.Some may like the "you can go support Oxford" bit,i personally don't like it, i am delighted the sh1t has been sorted, happy that Di Canio is our manager but Swindon fans were here before Paolo and (as much as some will not even consider this bit) we/Swindon fans will be here long after he has moved on.
To sum my feelings up i love most things about our manager but hate the way he has to hang his washing out for all and sundry to see. Lets get this Juggernaut a rolling.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy. Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket?? As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge. Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.[/p][/quote]Really is quite simple that does eem to get overlooked,there are fans that did not like the way Wes treated and are still massive fans of PDC and what he is doing for this club. For some reason some posters don't think you can do both![/p][/quote]Yes you are spot on swwindon61,sorry Dreamo i think your post is taking the p1ss a little don't you?why would you want to post such sh1t aimed at our fans?i don't understand that one bit.Some may like the "you can go support Oxford" bit,i personally don't like it, i am delighted the sh1t has been sorted, happy that Di Canio is our manager but Swindon fans were here before Paolo and (as much as some will not even consider this bit) we/Swindon fans will be here long after he has moved on. To sum my feelings up i love most things about our manager but hate the way he has to hang his washing out for all and sundry to see. Lets get this Juggernaut a rolling. Steve. Brentford
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6:13pm Mon 3 Sep 12

bradley red 1 says...

After watching di canio on sky sports this afternoon it is clear to me that this guy is on the brink of walking! getting angry with certain suporters,offering season ticket money back,repeating that we are a league one club,he is not happy a happy camper and it would not surprise me one bit that he will walk away! shame cause you have to admire the guys passion but mistakes in my opinion are happening and all this publicity does not do the club any favours.
After watching di canio on sky sports this afternoon it is clear to me that this guy is on the brink of walking! getting angry with certain suporters,offering season ticket money back,repeating that we are a league one club,he is not happy a happy camper and it would not surprise me one bit that he will walk away! shame cause you have to admire the guys passion but mistakes in my opinion are happening and all this publicity does not do the club any favours. bradley red 1
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6:21pm Mon 3 Sep 12

jayden says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy.

Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket??

As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge.

Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.
Really is quite simple that does eem to get overlooked,there are fans that did not like the way Wes treated and are still massive fans of PDC and what he is doing for this club.
For some reason some posters don't think you can do both!
Yes you are spot on swwindon61,sorry Dreamo i think your post is taking the p1ss a little don't you?why would you want to post such sh1t aimed at our fans?i don't understand that one bit.Some may like the "you can go support Oxford" bit,i personally don't like it, i am delighted the sh1t has been sorted, happy that Di Canio is our manager but Swindon fans were here before Paolo and (as much as some will not even consider this bit) we/Swindon fans will be here long after he has moved on.
To sum my feelings up i love most things about our manager but hate the way he has to hang his washing out for all and sundry to see. Lets get this Juggernaut a rolling.
Hi steve yes agreed but Wes will be back with clean sheets now.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy. Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket?? As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge. Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.[/p][/quote]Really is quite simple that does eem to get overlooked,there are fans that did not like the way Wes treated and are still massive fans of PDC and what he is doing for this club. For some reason some posters don't think you can do both![/p][/quote]Yes you are spot on swwindon61,sorry Dreamo i think your post is taking the p1ss a little don't you?why would you want to post such sh1t aimed at our fans?i don't understand that one bit.Some may like the "you can go support Oxford" bit,i personally don't like it, i am delighted the sh1t has been sorted, happy that Di Canio is our manager but Swindon fans were here before Paolo and (as much as some will not even consider this bit) we/Swindon fans will be here long after he has moved on. To sum my feelings up i love most things about our manager but hate the way he has to hang his washing out for all and sundry to see. Lets get this Juggernaut a rolling.[/p][/quote]Hi steve yes agreed but Wes will be back with clean sheets now. jayden
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6:31pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Steve. Brentford says...

Cookie43 wrote:
RedintheFace wrote:
When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini.

His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club.

Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure.

Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded.

BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post.

To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist.

Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.
MUPPET!!!!
Stay away and never come back
good or bad i support my club home and away
people like you disgust me you are not and i repeat NOT!! a true swindon town fan
If we had your way we would be back to the dark days of Malpass or Hart is that what you want?
apparently Wes had been upping himself on twitter and needed to be brought down a peg or two
I love what Di canio has done to my beloved club league 2 champions and i am sure promotion this season and to all you Paulo slaters remember the dark days and be careful what you wish for!!!
If you went to Stoke you would of seen the passion this man has for us and the club and you repay that with slagging him off. I for one think he is a breath of fresh air i will forever be grateful to him for the success he has delivered and long may it continue.
WE ARE PAULO'S RED AND WHITE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ummm Cookie here mate i dont want to shout this out so i will whisper



Its Paolo mate err not Paulo :O)
[quote][p][bold]Cookie43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RedintheFace[/bold] wrote: When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.[/p][/quote]MUPPET!!!! Stay away and never come back good or bad i support my club home and away people like you disgust me you are not and i repeat NOT!! a true swindon town fan If we had your way we would be back to the dark days of Malpass or Hart is that what you want? apparently Wes had been upping himself on twitter and needed to be brought down a peg or two I love what Di canio has done to my beloved club league 2 champions and i am sure promotion this season and to all you Paulo slaters remember the dark days and be careful what you wish for!!! If you went to Stoke you would of seen the passion this man has for us and the club and you repay that with slagging him off. I for one think he is a breath of fresh air i will forever be grateful to him for the success he has delivered and long may it continue. WE ARE PAULO'S RED AND WHITE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Ummm Cookie here mate i dont want to shout this out so i will whisper Its Paolo mate err not Paulo :O) Steve. Brentford
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6:34pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat!
No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.
Oh...misreading someone else to your convenience Oi Den!?
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You seem to enjoy mis-representing others points and then having a go at them....then you wonder why they get frustrated at your words/actions!
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Just try putting your opinion on the back-burner, reading the comments in the manner they're intended and then applying a logical response which take the other person's point of view into account...not too much to ask for and then your undoubted intelligence would then shine through in a PROPER debate as opposed to the interpreted version.
Come off it SAP. You are just having a go at me because we had a disagreement over something else.
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I was trying to reply to two separate points. First of all, I thought there was a clear implication of the wrong person being blamed for the shambles of a team inherited by PDC. Secondly, I could not see that any useful purpose is served by the suggestion that we have a choice between PDC and going back to a failed or unpopular manager. If, for whatever reason, PDC were to leave our club, I have every faith that the board would pull out all the stops to make a progressive appointment - so what is the point of "do you want to go back to Hart/Wilson/Malpas?"
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Now, to your advice that I should put my opinion on the back burner. You will be pleased to know that I intend to do just that. I believe everybody is entitled to voice their opinion on here and I have enjoyed the cut and thrust of the debate. Provided it all remains civilised, everbody should be able to say what they like. However, a couple of days ago you overstepped the mark by a very long way, in telling a fellow supporter that he was a vile smell that you would want nowhere near your children. While I put my opinion on the back burner, why don't you try asking yourself what sort of way that is to talk to any fellow human being?
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat![/p][/quote]No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.[/p][/quote]Oh...misreading someone else to your convenience Oi Den!? .. You seem to enjoy mis-representing others points and then having a go at them....then you wonder why they get frustrated at your words/actions! -- Just try putting your opinion on the back-burner, reading the comments in the manner they're intended and then applying a logical response which take the other person's point of view into account...not too much to ask for and then your undoubted intelligence would then shine through in a PROPER debate as opposed to the interpreted version.[/p][/quote]Come off it SAP. You are just having a go at me because we had a disagreement over something else. . I was trying to reply to two separate points. First of all, I thought there was a clear implication of the wrong person being blamed for the shambles of a team inherited by PDC. Secondly, I could not see that any useful purpose is served by the suggestion that we have a choice between PDC and going back to a failed or unpopular manager. If, for whatever reason, PDC were to leave our club, I have every faith that the board would pull out all the stops to make a progressive appointment - so what is the point of "do you want to go back to Hart/Wilson/Malpas?" . . Now, to your advice that I should put my opinion on the back burner. You will be pleased to know that I intend to do just that. I believe everybody is entitled to voice their opinion on here and I have enjoyed the cut and thrust of the debate. Provided it all remains civilised, everbody should be able to say what they like. However, a couple of days ago you overstepped the mark by a very long way, in telling a fellow supporter that he was a vile smell that you would want nowhere near your children. While I put my opinion on the back burner, why don't you try asking yourself what sort of way that is to talk to any fellow human being? Oi Den!
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6:52pm Mon 3 Sep 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

Oi Den! wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat!
No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.
Oh...misreading someone else to your convenience Oi Den!?
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You seem to enjoy mis-representing others points and then having a go at them....then you wonder why they get frustrated at your words/actions!
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Just try putting your opinion on the back-burner, reading the comments in the manner they're intended and then applying a logical response which take the other person's point of view into account...not too much to ask for and then your undoubted intelligence would then shine through in a PROPER debate as opposed to the interpreted version.
Come off it SAP. You are just having a go at me because we had a disagreement over something else.
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I was trying to reply to two separate points. First of all, I thought there was a clear implication of the wrong person being blamed for the shambles of a team inherited by PDC. Secondly, I could not see that any useful purpose is served by the suggestion that we have a choice between PDC and going back to a failed or unpopular manager. If, for whatever reason, PDC were to leave our club, I have every faith that the board would pull out all the stops to make a progressive appointment - so what is the point of "do you want to go back to Hart/Wilson/Malpas?"

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Now, to your advice that I should put my opinion on the back burner. You will be pleased to know that I intend to do just that. I believe everybody is entitled to voice their opinion on here and I have enjoyed the cut and thrust of the debate. Provided it all remains civilised, everbody should be able to say what they like. However, a couple of days ago you overstepped the mark by a very long way, in telling a fellow supporter that he was a vile smell that you would want nowhere near your children. While I put my opinion on the back burner, why don't you try asking yourself what sort of way that is to talk to any fellow human being?
Genuine discussion no issue Oi Den - but bad posts don't necessarily need bad words, if you get my drift, the other night I felt the under-riding sentiment was really quite out of order but it is always swept under the carpet.
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All too often those that preach openess don't permit openess of debate and are quick to cut people off - I believe that you are far, far better than that and I'm sure you know I'm better than some of my posts but as per you I have pet hates which bring out the worst in me.
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I think you're right in believing that it is PDC or failure but equally I think that the whole point from STFC was that when did you EVER see such a full on and passionate support of a team and he player himself than PDC - they're all big enough and ugly enough - it IS PDC's way or not at all because it is his reputation....and his future.
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The point is people get on PDC's back the moment he does something they don't agree with yet 99.9% of us have no right to question his morals only to express a disapproval or approval - I wouldn't have done what he did but also I'd have been sacked after 3 weeks in charge - this guy has the players behind him but it is worse than a marriage....most top level footballers are pampered and PDC is making sure that a League 1 player earns the right before he thinks he is the superstar.
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I know you have STFC at heart I just dislike the manner in which discussions are held in packs at times.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat![/p][/quote]No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.[/p][/quote]Oh...misreading someone else to your convenience Oi Den!? .. You seem to enjoy mis-representing others points and then having a go at them....then you wonder why they get frustrated at your words/actions! -- Just try putting your opinion on the back-burner, reading the comments in the manner they're intended and then applying a logical response which take the other person's point of view into account...not too much to ask for and then your undoubted intelligence would then shine through in a PROPER debate as opposed to the interpreted version.[/p][/quote]Come off it SAP. You are just having a go at me because we had a disagreement over something else. . I was trying to reply to two separate points. First of all, I thought there was a clear implication of the wrong person being blamed for the shambles of a team inherited by PDC. Secondly, I could not see that any useful purpose is served by the suggestion that we have a choice between PDC and going back to a failed or unpopular manager. If, for whatever reason, PDC were to leave our club, I have every faith that the board would pull out all the stops to make a progressive appointment - so what is the point of "do you want to go back to Hart/Wilson/Malpas?" . . Now, to your advice that I should put my opinion on the back burner. You will be pleased to know that I intend to do just that. I believe everybody is entitled to voice their opinion on here and I have enjoyed the cut and thrust of the debate. Provided it all remains civilised, everbody should be able to say what they like. However, a couple of days ago you overstepped the mark by a very long way, in telling a fellow supporter that he was a vile smell that you would want nowhere near your children. While I put my opinion on the back burner, why don't you try asking yourself what sort of way that is to talk to any fellow human being?[/p][/quote]Genuine discussion no issue Oi Den - but bad posts don't necessarily need bad words, if you get my drift, the other night I felt the under-riding sentiment was really quite out of order but it is always swept under the carpet. -- All too often those that preach openess don't permit openess of debate and are quick to cut people off - I believe that you are far, far better than that and I'm sure you know I'm better than some of my posts but as per you I have pet hates which bring out the worst in me. -- I think you're right in believing that it is PDC or failure but equally I think that the whole point from STFC was that when did you EVER see such a full on and passionate support of a team and he player himself than PDC - they're all big enough and ugly enough - it IS PDC's way or not at all because it is his reputation....and his future. .. The point is people get on PDC's back the moment he does something they don't agree with yet 99.9% of us have no right to question his morals only to express a disapproval or approval - I wouldn't have done what he did but also I'd have been sacked after 3 weeks in charge - this guy has the players behind him but it is worse than a marriage....most top level footballers are pampered and PDC is making sure that a League 1 player earns the right before he thinks he is the superstar. -- I know you have STFC at heart I just dislike the manner in which discussions are held in packs at times. SAPFanSTFC
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7:02pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Steve. Brentford says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views.

Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal.

Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch.

The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times.

However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards.

The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership.

Back to back to back promotions coming.......
Hi there Dream'O - Good post!
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Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold.
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I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area.
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PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'!
Don't see many moaners myself,one or two OTT posts from both sides of the argument, to easy to say some is moaning just because they have an alternative opinion from one`s self but that is what i see,i also see normally decent posters becoming a little antagonistic,
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views. Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal. Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch. The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times. However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards. The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership. Back to back to back promotions coming.......[/p][/quote]Hi there Dream'O - Good post! ... Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold. -- I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area. -- PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'![/p][/quote]Don't see many moaners myself,one or two OTT posts from both sides of the argument, to easy to say some is moaning just because they have an alternative opinion from one`s self but that is what i see,i also see normally decent posters becoming a little antagonistic, Steve. Brentford
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7:16pm Mon 3 Sep 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views.

Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal.

Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch.

The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times.

However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards.

The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership.

Back to back to back promotions coming.......
Hi there Dream'O - Good post!
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Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold.
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I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area.
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PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'!
Don't see many moaners myself,one or two OTT posts from both sides of the argument, to easy to say some is moaning just because they have an alternative opinion from one`s self but that is what i see,i also see normally decent posters becoming a little antagonistic,
Hi Steve., Not necessarily on this thread but I took a lot of time to read through things on Sunday after the game and it was quite pitiful. The posters names therein were, on the whole, either unknown...which you take with a pinch of salt, were of the ilk that only ever post when they have something bad to say or were of a type who only like to have a go.
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I don't apologise for finding these people's posts unappealing.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views. Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal. Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch. The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times. However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards. The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership. Back to back to back promotions coming.......[/p][/quote]Hi there Dream'O - Good post! ... Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold. -- I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area. -- PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'![/p][/quote]Don't see many moaners myself,one or two OTT posts from both sides of the argument, to easy to say some is moaning just because they have an alternative opinion from one`s self but that is what i see,i also see normally decent posters becoming a little antagonistic,[/p][/quote]Hi Steve., Not necessarily on this thread but I took a lot of time to read through things on Sunday after the game and it was quite pitiful. The posters names therein were, on the whole, either unknown...which you take with a pinch of salt, were of the ilk that only ever post when they have something bad to say or were of a type who only like to have a go. --- I don't apologise for finding these people's posts unappealing. SAPFanSTFC
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7:18pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Oi Den! says...

SAP, definitely my final comment on this. I really (genuinely) don't know what you mean about an underlying sentiment in my posts. Nobody else has ever accused me of having a hidden agenda. I may have made a bit of mischief at times by stirring things up to provoke a bit of debate but I've never tried to hide that. Other than to make that point, I think I'd rather just let it lie now.
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And, having bored everybody sh1tless, I'll give it a rest for a while.
SAP, definitely my final comment on this. I really (genuinely) don't know what you mean about an underlying sentiment in my posts. Nobody else has ever accused me of having a hidden agenda. I may have made a bit of mischief at times by stirring things up to provoke a bit of debate but I've never tried to hide that. Other than to make that point, I think I'd rather just let it lie now. . And, having bored everybody sh1tless, I'll give it a rest for a while. Oi Den!
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7:19pm Mon 3 Sep 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!
WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.
I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat!
No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.
Oh...misreading someone else to your convenience Oi Den!?
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You seem to enjoy mis-representing others points and then having a go at them....then you wonder why they get frustrated at your words/actions!
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Just try putting your opinion on the back-burner, reading the comments in the manner they're intended and then applying a logical response which take the other person's point of view into account...not too much to ask for and then your undoubted intelligence would then shine through in a PROPER debate as opposed to the interpreted version.
Come off it SAP. You are just having a go at me because we had a disagreement over something else.
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I was trying to reply to two separate points. First of all, I thought there was a clear implication of the wrong person being blamed for the shambles of a team inherited by PDC. Secondly, I could not see that any useful purpose is served by the suggestion that we have a choice between PDC and going back to a failed or unpopular manager. If, for whatever reason, PDC were to leave our club, I have every faith that the board would pull out all the stops to make a progressive appointment - so what is the point of "do you want to go back to Hart/Wilson/Malpas?"


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Now, to your advice that I should put my opinion on the back burner. You will be pleased to know that I intend to do just that. I believe everybody is entitled to voice their opinion on here and I have enjoyed the cut and thrust of the debate. Provided it all remains civilised, everbody should be able to say what they like. However, a couple of days ago you overstepped the mark by a very long way, in telling a fellow supporter that he was a vile smell that you would want nowhere near your children. While I put my opinion on the back burner, why don't you try asking yourself what sort of way that is to talk to any fellow human being?
Genuine discussion no issue Oi Den - but bad posts don't necessarily need bad words, if you get my drift, the other night I felt the under-riding sentiment was really quite out of order but it is always swept under the carpet.
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All too often those that preach openess don't permit openess of debate and are quick to cut people off - I believe that you are far, far better than that and I'm sure you know I'm better than some of my posts but as per you I have pet hates which bring out the worst in me.
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I think you're right in believing that it is PDC or failure but equally I think that the whole point from STFC was that when did you EVER see such a full on and passionate support of a team and he player himself than PDC - they're all big enough and ugly enough - it IS PDC's way or not at all because it is his reputation....and his future.
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The point is people get on PDC's back the moment he does something they don't agree with yet 99.9% of us have no right to question his morals only to express a disapproval or approval - I wouldn't have done what he did but also I'd have been sacked after 3 weeks in charge - this guy has the players behind him but it is worse than a marriage....most top level footballers are pampered and PDC is making sure that a League 1 player earns the right before he thinks he is the superstar.
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I know you have STFC at heart I just dislike the manner in which discussions are held in packs at times.
Oh and I don't apologise for my view of a.n.other - I offered a truce last season which he appeared to accept but only weeks later decided to go back to his norm of abuse.
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I'll leave that element out of our discussion.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcknowitall[/bold] wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!![/p][/quote]WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.[/p][/quote]I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat![/p][/quote]No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.[/p][/quote]Oh...misreading someone else to your convenience Oi Den!? .. You seem to enjoy mis-representing others points and then having a go at them....then you wonder why they get frustrated at your words/actions! -- Just try putting your opinion on the back-burner, reading the comments in the manner they're intended and then applying a logical response which take the other person's point of view into account...not too much to ask for and then your undoubted intelligence would then shine through in a PROPER debate as opposed to the interpreted version.[/p][/quote]Come off it SAP. You are just having a go at me because we had a disagreement over something else. . I was trying to reply to two separate points. First of all, I thought there was a clear implication of the wrong person being blamed for the shambles of a team inherited by PDC. Secondly, I could not see that any useful purpose is served by the suggestion that we have a choice between PDC and going back to a failed or unpopular manager. If, for whatever reason, PDC were to leave our club, I have every faith that the board would pull out all the stops to make a progressive appointment - so what is the point of "do you want to go back to Hart/Wilson/Malpas?" . . Now, to your advice that I should put my opinion on the back burner. You will be pleased to know that I intend to do just that. I believe everybody is entitled to voice their opinion on here and I have enjoyed the cut and thrust of the debate. Provided it all remains civilised, everbody should be able to say what they like. However, a couple of days ago you overstepped the mark by a very long way, in telling a fellow supporter that he was a vile smell that you would want nowhere near your children. While I put my opinion on the back burner, why don't you try asking yourself what sort of way that is to talk to any fellow human being?[/p][/quote]Genuine discussion no issue Oi Den - but bad posts don't necessarily need bad words, if you get my drift, the other night I felt the under-riding sentiment was really quite out of order but it is always swept under the carpet. -- All too often those that preach openess don't permit openess of debate and are quick to cut people off - I believe that you are far, far better than that and I'm sure you know I'm better than some of my posts but as per you I have pet hates which bring out the worst in me. -- I think you're right in believing that it is PDC or failure but equally I think that the whole point from STFC was that when did you EVER see such a full on and passionate support of a team and he player himself than PDC - they're all big enough and ugly enough - it IS PDC's way or not at all because it is his reputation....and his future. .. The point is people get on PDC's back the moment he does something they don't agree with yet 99.9% of us have no right to question his morals only to express a disapproval or approval - I wouldn't have done what he did but also I'd have been sacked after 3 weeks in charge - this guy has the players behind him but it is worse than a marriage....most top level footballers are pampered and PDC is making sure that a League 1 player earns the right before he thinks he is the superstar. -- I know you have STFC at heart I just dislike the manner in which discussions are held in packs at times.[/p][/quote]Oh and I don't apologise for my view of a.n.other - I offered a truce last season which he appeared to accept but only weeks later decided to go back to his norm of abuse. ... I'll leave that element out of our discussion. SAPFanSTFC
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7:27pm Mon 3 Sep 12

smirg kcab says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
Wow. Commented around midday when the count was around 150. This item certainly got some momentum.

Still, all I can say is thank goodness there has been an apology. Now just pick up all the toys and put them back in their respective prams, so you all know where they are whe you want to throw them again.
I can add another thousand on by saying Luke McCormick was waiting outside the county ground at 5.30am today, I wonder why? Strange very strange.
Onwards and upwards
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: Wow. Commented around midday when the count was around 150. This item certainly got some momentum. Still, all I can say is thank goodness there has been an apology. Now just pick up all the toys and put them back in their respective prams, so you all know where they are whe you want to throw them again.[/p][/quote]I can add another thousand on by saying Luke McCormick was waiting outside the county ground at 5.30am today, I wonder why? Strange very strange. Onwards and upwards smirg kcab
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7:32pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Steve. Brentford says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views.

Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal.

Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch.

The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times.

However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards.

The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership.

Back to back to back promotions coming.......
Hi there Dream'O - Good post!
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Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold.
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I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area.
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PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'!
Don't see many moaners myself,one or two OTT posts from both sides of the argument, to easy to say some is moaning just because they have an alternative opinion from one`s self but that is what i see,i also see normally decent posters becoming a little antagonistic,
Hi Steve., Not necessarily on this thread but I took a lot of time to read through things on Sunday after the game and it was quite pitiful. The posters names therein were, on the whole, either unknown...which you take with a pinch of salt, were of the ilk that only ever post when they have something bad to say or were of a type who only like to have a go.
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I don't apologise for finding these people's posts unappealing.
Not asking for anyone to apologise mate and i'm sure you know me by now,if i think someone is doing any of the above and have not been taken to task i will always put myself forward to advise them to go away or something like that, i just don't like the fact that some very decent Town fans get abused for having an opinion which may not be the same as the main,of course we will occasionally become irate with others views because not all folk actually come from this planet.I'm probably just being protective of Swindon Fans,its something Ive done for many yrs living in London.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views. Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal. Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch. The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times. However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards. The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership. Back to back to back promotions coming.......[/p][/quote]Hi there Dream'O - Good post! ... Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold. -- I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area. -- PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'![/p][/quote]Don't see many moaners myself,one or two OTT posts from both sides of the argument, to easy to say some is moaning just because they have an alternative opinion from one`s self but that is what i see,i also see normally decent posters becoming a little antagonistic,[/p][/quote]Hi Steve., Not necessarily on this thread but I took a lot of time to read through things on Sunday after the game and it was quite pitiful. The posters names therein were, on the whole, either unknown...which you take with a pinch of salt, were of the ilk that only ever post when they have something bad to say or were of a type who only like to have a go. --- I don't apologise for finding these people's posts unappealing.[/p][/quote]Not asking for anyone to apologise mate and i'm sure you know me by now,if i think someone is doing any of the above and have not been taken to task i will always put myself forward to advise them to go away or something like that, i just don't like the fact that some very decent Town fans get abused for having an opinion which may not be the same as the main,of course we will occasionally become irate with others views because not all folk actually come from this planet.I'm probably just being protective of Swindon Fans,its something Ive done for many yrs living in London. Steve. Brentford
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7:34pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

Where did this come from KCAB?
Not saying it is not true as it means nothing if he was as there could be a million of reasons he was there.
5:30am eh,3 and a half hour wait until it opens!
Maybe he was making sure he got his ticket for the game against Oxford!
Where did this come from KCAB? Not saying it is not true as it means nothing if he was as there could be a million of reasons he was there. 5:30am eh,3 and a half hour wait until it opens! Maybe he was making sure he got his ticket for the game against Oxford! swwindon61uk
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7:55pm Mon 3 Sep 12

swwindon61uk says...

Just seen the PDC interview on SKY and i think he needs to understand that we are nearly all behind him.
Just seen the PDC interview on SKY and i think he needs to understand that we are nearly all behind him. swwindon61uk
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7:56pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Steve. Brentford says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
Wow. Commented around midday when the count was around 150. This item certainly got some momentum.

Still, all I can say is thank goodness there has been an apology. Now just pick up all the toys and put them back in their respective prams, so you all know where they are whe you want to throw them again.
I can add another thousand on by saying Luke McCormick was waiting outside the county ground at 5.30am today, I wonder why? Strange very strange.
Onwards and upwards
Maybe he has a new job, did you see a milkfloat anywhere near?
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: Wow. Commented around midday when the count was around 150. This item certainly got some momentum. Still, all I can say is thank goodness there has been an apology. Now just pick up all the toys and put them back in their respective prams, so you all know where they are whe you want to throw them again.[/p][/quote]I can add another thousand on by saying Luke McCormick was waiting outside the county ground at 5.30am today, I wonder why? Strange very strange. Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]Maybe he has a new job, did you see a milkfloat anywhere near? Steve. Brentford
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7:58pm Mon 3 Sep 12

mancrobin says...

hertz wrote:
So Jeremy Wray took a tour of the stadium up at Preston and he wants to model STFC on the Preston ground , what did the travelling fans think of th ground ? COYR
I thought it was excellent Hertz. I sat with my father in law in the Stanley !atthews stand (he's a PNE fan) and the view was great, along with the pies. Still can't get my head around 'butter pie'?
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: So Jeremy Wray took a tour of the stadium up at Preston and he wants to model STFC on the Preston ground , what did the travelling fans think of th ground ? COYR[/p][/quote]I thought it was excellent Hertz. I sat with my father in law in the Stanley !atthews stand (he's a PNE fan) and the view was great, along with the pies. Still can't get my head around 'butter pie'? mancrobin
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7:59pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Rebel_phish says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
Wow. Commented around midday when the count was around 150. This item certainly got some momentum.

Still, all I can say is thank goodness there has been an apology. Now just pick up all the toys and put them back in their respective prams, so you all know where they are whe you want to throw them again.
I can add another thousand on by saying Luke McCormick was waiting outside the county ground at 5.30am today, I wonder why? Strange very strange.
Onwards and upwards
Oh please Smirg, dont go there, the advers server wouldn't cope with all the dross.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: Wow. Commented around midday when the count was around 150. This item certainly got some momentum. Still, all I can say is thank goodness there has been an apology. Now just pick up all the toys and put them back in their respective prams, so you all know where they are whe you want to throw them again.[/p][/quote]I can add another thousand on by saying Luke McCormick was waiting outside the county ground at 5.30am today, I wonder why? Strange very strange. Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]Oh please Smirg, dont go there, the advers server wouldn't cope with all the dross. Rebel_phish
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8:06pm Mon 3 Sep 12

bradley red 1 says...

I WOULD ADVISE DI CANIO NOT TO GET PERSONAL WITH THE PAYING SUPPORTERS OF SWINDON TOWN FC,HIS INTERVIEW THIS AFTERNOON WAS EMBARRASING TO SAY THE LEAST! SOMETIMES PAULO SILENCE IS GOLDEN,ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR COMMENTS MADE AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO WALK THEN THAT IS YOUR DECISION AS YOU MADE REFERENCE THAT A NEW MANAGER WOULD BE HERE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER,DISAPOINTING TODAY THE CLUB SHOULD HAVE BANNED THE CAMERAS FROM THE COUNTY GROUND BUT THE MANAGER SEEMS TO REVEL IN THE LIMELIGHT!
I WOULD ADVISE DI CANIO NOT TO GET PERSONAL WITH THE PAYING SUPPORTERS OF SWINDON TOWN FC,HIS INTERVIEW THIS AFTERNOON WAS EMBARRASING TO SAY THE LEAST! SOMETIMES PAULO SILENCE IS GOLDEN,ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR COMMENTS MADE AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO WALK THEN THAT IS YOUR DECISION AS YOU MADE REFERENCE THAT A NEW MANAGER WOULD BE HERE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER,DISAPOINTING TODAY THE CLUB SHOULD HAVE BANNED THE CAMERAS FROM THE COUNTY GROUND BUT THE MANAGER SEEMS TO REVEL IN THE LIMELIGHT! bradley red 1
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8:17pm Mon 3 Sep 12

old town robin says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Refrained from commenting so far today as I probably said too much yesterday but a couple of points.

1. Most people who went to the match identify that there was a problem with Wes arguing etc. This would suggest that Paolo was concerned that it could cause more problems and acted swiftly. Having done so it would be very difficult to keep this "in the dressing room" as suggested by some.

2. This is not the first time Paolo has subbed a player early, Connell, Rooney and Kerrouche all spring to mind. These substitutions have raised eyebrows but not caused the same level of debate as yesterday. It would seem to me that he has acted quickly, in the interest of the team, to prevent the situation getting out of hand.

Paolo was no doubt angry yesterday both with the performance of the team and the way Wes has seemingly undermined his authority on the field of play, namely the captain Alan Mac. I suspect that it is this lack of respect that has fuelled the rant in the radio interview.

We have seen what a lack of discipline in a squad can lead to and we have a manager that is determined not to allow it to return while he is in charge.

Some of the things Paolo said on the radio are possibly a bit over the top so perhaps he should learn to think a bit more before saying certain things or wait until matters have cooled.

Wes has talent and in time he could be a very very good keeper but he is the pupil and he needs to learn that to be successful you need to be disciplined. The captain is the manager's representative on the pitch and therefore he should be shown the same respect as the boss.

I hope this is resolved quickly for the best. I don't want to see either of them leave STFC.

COYMR
Ox-red, I'm wondering if Wes missed the authority of caddis and didn't accept that of Macca, that can happen when a close pal gets promoted.

7 goals conceeded in 2 games is not good and collectively the defence has to take responsibility. Fully expect Wes to hold his place against Pox, with Ward and Bensonne brought in for tomorrow, possibly also see Nat Thompson get a runout as for me Deverra has done OK, but can hardly be considered an adequate replacement for caddis and just maybe Tommo should be given a chance against the Pox to show what he is capable of.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Refrained from commenting so far today as I probably said too much yesterday but a couple of points. 1. Most people who went to the match identify that there was a problem with Wes arguing etc. This would suggest that Paolo was concerned that it could cause more problems and acted swiftly. Having done so it would be very difficult to keep this "in the dressing room" as suggested by some. 2. This is not the first time Paolo has subbed a player early, Connell, Rooney and Kerrouche all spring to mind. These substitutions have raised eyebrows but not caused the same level of debate as yesterday. It would seem to me that he has acted quickly, in the interest of the team, to prevent the situation getting out of hand. Paolo was no doubt angry yesterday both with the performance of the team and the way Wes has seemingly undermined his authority on the field of play, namely the captain Alan Mac. I suspect that it is this lack of respect that has fuelled the rant in the radio interview. We have seen what a lack of discipline in a squad can lead to and we have a manager that is determined not to allow it to return while he is in charge. Some of the things Paolo said on the radio are possibly a bit over the top so perhaps he should learn to think a bit more before saying certain things or wait until matters have cooled. Wes has talent and in time he could be a very very good keeper but he is the pupil and he needs to learn that to be successful you need to be disciplined. The captain is the manager's representative on the pitch and therefore he should be shown the same respect as the boss. I hope this is resolved quickly for the best. I don't want to see either of them leave STFC. COYMR[/p][/quote]Ox-red, I'm wondering if Wes missed the authority of caddis and didn't accept that of Macca, that can happen when a close pal gets promoted. 7 goals conceeded in 2 games is not good and collectively the defence has to take responsibility. Fully expect Wes to hold his place against Pox, with Ward and Bensonne brought in for tomorrow, possibly also see Nat Thompson get a runout as for me Deverra has done OK, but can hardly be considered an adequate replacement for caddis and just maybe Tommo should be given a chance against the Pox to show what he is capable of. old town robin
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8:41pm Mon 3 Sep 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Jeaus h. Where in Paolo's interview was there a hint that he is going to resign?

Steve I take our point that he was getting his point over about supporting Oxford but I feel you're being a bit over sensitive. His point is he's the manage, he knows what he is doing as results show. Try backing him? His point has been proved on Super Sir Wes Saga with Wes's unequivalical apology. Or have I missed something?

Assuming I'm still alive I will be supporting the Town long after Paolo has left. However I hope the club takes a leaf out of Swansea's book and employ managers that follow the same ethos. Time will obviously tell but with the brilliant JW in charge I wouldn't be surprised.
Jeaus h. Where in Paolo's interview was there a hint that he is going to resign? Steve I take our point that he was getting his point over about supporting Oxford but I feel you're being a bit over sensitive. His point is he's the manage, he knows what he is doing as results show. Try backing him? His point has been proved on Super Sir Wes Saga with Wes's unequivalical apology. Or have I missed something? Assuming I'm still alive I will be supporting the Town long after Paolo has left. However I hope the club takes a leaf out of Swansea's book and employ managers that follow the same ethos. Time will obviously tell but with the brilliant JW in charge I wouldn't be surprised. dreamofacleansheet2
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8:45pm Mon 3 Sep 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views.

Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal.

Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch.

The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times.

However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards.

The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership.

Back to back to back promotions coming.......
Hi there Dream'O - Good post!
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Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold.
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I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area.
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PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'!
Don't see many moaners myself,one or two OTT posts from both sides of the argument, to easy to say some is moaning just because they have an alternative opinion from one`s self but that is what i see,i also see normally decent posters becoming a little antagonistic,
Hi Steve., Not necessarily on this thread but I took a lot of time to read through things on Sunday after the game and it was quite pitiful. The posters names therein were, on the whole, either unknown...which you take with a pinch of salt, were of the ilk that only ever post when they have something bad to say or were of a type who only like to have a go.
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I don't apologise for finding these people's posts unappealing.
Not asking for anyone to apologise mate and i'm sure you know me by now,if i think someone is doing any of the above and have not been taken to task i will always put myself forward to advise them to go away or something like that, i just don't like the fact that some very decent Town fans get abused for having an opinion which may not be the same as the main,of course we will occasionally become irate with others views because not all folk actually come from this planet.I'm probably just being protective of Swindon Fans,its something Ive done for many yrs living in London.
Understood matey!...hope you're well by the way - 3pts ahead of me already! Mind you we're both bottom half I think.
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Real fans stick together and behind the whole outfit - 90% of those who post on here fall into that 'Real Fan' category, regardless of whether they can get to the ground or not - sadly it is the 10% who make the most noise on days such as Sunday.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views. Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal. Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch. The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times. However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards. The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership. Back to back to back promotions coming.......[/p][/quote]Hi there Dream'O - Good post! ... Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold. -- I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area. -- PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'![/p][/quote]Don't see many moaners myself,one or two OTT posts from both sides of the argument, to easy to say some is moaning just because they have an alternative opinion from one`s self but that is what i see,i also see normally decent posters becoming a little antagonistic,[/p][/quote]Hi Steve., Not necessarily on this thread but I took a lot of time to read through things on Sunday after the game and it was quite pitiful. The posters names therein were, on the whole, either unknown...which you take with a pinch of salt, were of the ilk that only ever post when they have something bad to say or were of a type who only like to have a go. --- I don't apologise for finding these people's posts unappealing.[/p][/quote]Not asking for anyone to apologise mate and i'm sure you know me by now,if i think someone is doing any of the above and have not been taken to task i will always put myself forward to advise them to go away or something like that, i just don't like the fact that some very decent Town fans get abused for having an opinion which may not be the same as the main,of course we will occasionally become irate with others views because not all folk actually come from this planet.I'm probably just being protective of Swindon Fans,its something Ive done for many yrs living in London.[/p][/quote]Understood matey!...hope you're well by the way - 3pts ahead of me already! Mind you we're both bottom half I think. -- Real fans stick together and behind the whole outfit - 90% of those who post on here fall into that 'Real Fan' category, regardless of whether they can get to the ground or not - sadly it is the 10% who make the most noise on days such as Sunday. SAPFanSTFC
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9:04pm Mon 3 Sep 12

London Red says...

Don't forget we are restricted in the number of changes and 6 must have either 1) started at Preston 2) start again against Orient or 3) be the top of the appearance list so far this season
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Fodders, Devera, Macca, Ritchie, RDV and Williams would meet criteria 3 and likely to meet 2 too (Miller too would make that list - but personally think he will be rested)
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As I said earlier agree with Ward and Bessone coming in but would see Thompson as a change too many as PdC is likely to make changes in midfield - as we know Ferry is starting
Don't forget we are restricted in the number of changes and 6 must have either 1) started at Preston 2) start again against Orient or 3) be the top of the appearance list so far this season . Fodders, Devera, Macca, Ritchie, RDV and Williams would meet criteria 3 and likely to meet 2 too (Miller too would make that list - but personally think he will be rested) . As I said earlier agree with Ward and Bessone coming in but would see Thompson as a change too many as PdC is likely to make changes in midfield - as we know Ferry is starting London Red
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9:13pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Steve. Brentford says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Jeaus h. Where in Paolo's interview was there a hint that he is going to resign?

Steve I take our point that he was getting his point over about supporting Oxford but I feel you're being a bit over sensitive. His point is he's the manage, he knows what he is doing as results show. Try backing him? His point has been proved on Super Sir Wes Saga with Wes's unequivalical apology. Or have I missed something?

Assuming I'm still alive I will be supporting the Town long after Paolo has left. However I hope the club takes a leaf out of Swansea's book and employ managers that follow the same ethos. Time will obviously tell but with the brilliant JW in charge I wouldn't be surprised.
Dreamo, ive been called some things in