SWINDON TOWN: Black reveals all on Twitter

Andrew Black

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THE former majority shareholder of Swindon Town, Andrew Black, took to Twitter late on Thursday night to issue a lengthy statement detailing the twists and turns of his tenure at the County Ground.

The Betfair founder left no stone unturned as he put across his side of event s – from the removal of Jeremy Wray as chairman through the sale of Matt Ritchie to the resignation of Paolo Di Canio.

The entire statement can be read below. For the sake of fairness, it is reproduced as it appeared on the social networking site.

“OK - well thank you all for your kind words - well some of you anyway. When I decided to stand alone and support the club it was a disaster scenario - relegated to League 2, facing sure administration and with a heavy FL points deduction there would have been a major chance of falling out of the leagues at the end of the season.

“The club also had no manager. I was never there for the long term - I just wanted to restore some respectability. Today we sit at the top of league 1, again with no manager. As far as I'm concerned it's job done.

“I never signed up to the '3 year plan' - it was only presented to me once, and then only briefly. As it happens in 2011 I agreed to sell the club at the end of that season. Paolo knew about this. Unfortunately the deal fell through.

“The deal fell through because the FL concluded that they couldn't afford to run the club. One of their main backers died suddenly in the final weeks. It was all a bit tragic.

“I put Jeremy in as chairman at the start if the 2011 season - for various reasons I wasn't comfortable but I didn't have anyone else.

“Jeremy and Nick interviewed Paolo and thought he was the right guy - I stayed in the background as I prefer. We gave him a 2 year contract.

“I've known Jeremy for half my life - he was a huge West Ham fan, and in particular almost obsessive about Di Canio. This concerned me.

“There was a lot of debt in the holding company, much owed to Sir Martyn Arbib, but he was always happy to write it off, as I was with mine. The remainder was owed to Amdrew Fitton who was Jeremy's business partner. He wasn't prepared to write it off. It was very messy. Andrew and Jeremy did not want me to sell and we ended up falling out. I won't go into the detail here.

“I decided I 2011 that I would have to replace Jeremy, but it took a long time to find someone. Chairing a football club is not easy. Sir William did an amazing job for which he will never get full credit. I am hugely in his debt.

“I never got to know Paolo very well - I only met him a handful of times.

“Sitting in a board meeting with him is pretty surreal. I said many times to Nick that we should get the cameras in for a fly on the wall documentary.

“Anyway as the (first) sale of the club was going through FL approval Di Canio and Spencer presented us with a new contract with only a .few days to accept. I said it wasn't my concern as I thought I had sold the club. The contract went through and then I ended up owning .the club again. It seemed to be a very one sided contract. I had no choice but to accept it. A couple of months later I replaced Jeremy and relations started breaking down very quickly.

“I hadn't been happy with what had happened over Caddis and I had had a sense of humour failure when the club breached the wage cap and went into embargo. I had repeatedly asked at the board for all player transactions to be communicated and I had had virtual radio silence.

“Di Canio and Spencer were not happy with the chairman being changed and began issuing press releases criticising the board. I didn't like the way it was going. The budget plan changed with the forecasts for this year and next going a lot higher. At the start of the season I had decided to put in another year, but I changed my mind.

“I felt very confident that we could find a buyer in January. There was plenty of interest - the problem was that a lot of the interest was to buy the club out of administration. None of the board wanted that of course. To be honest I didn't really know much about the administration process at first.

“Anyway as it happened there was interest to buy the club without the need for admin. Given that I sold the club free of all callable debt.

“For £1 you'd hope that that would get some interest going.

“So I had told the club I would not put any more money in and they had to find new backers. As it happened when this was announced some of the clubs we owed money to (loan players etc) got nervy and demanded immediate payment, so I had to put more in to get to the end of Jan.

“There was a plan in place for the board to revert to if the sale fell apart - we were speaking with a firm of accountants. The only real option for raising cash quickly was to sell Matt Ritchie. Di Canio and Spencer knew this and there had, I'm told, been a lot of discussions.

“They didn't want to sell him of course - I don't think any of us did, but there were cash issues and I had decided for better or worse to hold firm and not put more money in. There were lots of frantic calls late into the evening and Ritchie ended up sold. Di Canio and Spencer had argued against it but AFAIK they had been consulted and had accepted that it might happen.

“I didn't have a lot to do with it - I had a few calls when I was at a restaurant that evening. I signed it off though.

“The deal got done subject to FL approval, which was great - Russell Backhouse put a lot of work in to make it happen. I met with the other side and got on well with them - a mixture of guys who hopefully have most bases covered. We still had to wait for FL approval and it was quite slow in coming, which displeased team Di Canio as we couldn't sign any loan players until the deal was approved.

“Paolo presented the incoming owners with a deal (that they accepted) on a very short time frame that was out of our control. When the FL approval did not come through in time Paolo resigned as he said he would and walked away. I was surprised.

“But if I'm honest I was pleased. Paolo is a highly intense individual and a fierce and demanding boss, but he is uncompromising and does not manage upwards. I haven't decided how good I think he is at his job - he'd be on your case the whole time but he had a very decent budget to work with.

“The worst thing from the perspective of new owners is that he isn't the type to be told - I think he saw himself as bigger than the club and I think it would have been an accident waiting to happen.

“At least this way the new owners get to pick a manager that they can work with. I know a lot of fans will be unhappy but the important thing from my perspective is that things are in good order.

"Anyway that's all from me. I hope it works out with the new team and I hope the club makes it to the Championship. Thanks all."

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2:09am Fri 22 Feb 13

swindon30 says...

Well what a superb read. I don't care what any so called fans have previously said. As this guy is a true legend. Fair play Mr Black and I wish you good luck and might see you at the Cheltenham festival!
Well what a superb read. I don't care what any so called fans have previously said. As this guy is a true legend. Fair play Mr Black and I wish you good luck and might see you at the Cheltenham festival! swindon30
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2:09am Fri 22 Feb 13

1983 says...

Amazing perspective on things.
Amazing perspective on things. 1983
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2:11am Fri 22 Feb 13

EastleazeRed says...

Thank you for your honesty mr black its been very interesting following your tweets . Cant wait for Paolo's response # sh1t # hits # the # fan
Thank you for your honesty mr black its been very interesting following your tweets . Cant wait for Paolo's response # sh1t # hits # the # fan EastleazeRed
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2:12am Fri 22 Feb 13

southside7 says...

One question you don't answer Andrew.....why did you get involved in the first place?
One question you don't answer Andrew.....why did you get involved in the first place? southside7
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2:32am Fri 22 Feb 13

Oldhamred says...

Sounds to me as though AB has done his level best throughout.

Perhaps his biggest error was installing JW as chairman given his concerns over how seemed obsessed with with Paolo.

Maybe JW was a little awestruck when around Paolo, and if this was the case I'm sure Paolo would have picked up on it.

We all know that JW found it hard to say NO when a new signing was needed.

But I don't think Paolo should be held at fault for spending what he perceived as the budget.

Once JW was removed it is quite clear that the writing was on the wall and it was only a matter of time.

From the fans (majority?) point of view SWP was a pretty loathesome character, but I am not sure if any chairman would have been as lenient with Paolo as JW clearly was.

Guess we will never find out.
Sounds to me as though AB has done his level best throughout. Perhaps his biggest error was installing JW as chairman given his concerns over how seemed obsessed with with Paolo. Maybe JW was a little awestruck when around Paolo, and if this was the case I'm sure Paolo would have picked up on it. We all know that JW found it hard to say NO when a new signing was needed. But I don't think Paolo should be held at fault for spending what he perceived as the budget. Once JW was removed it is quite clear that the writing was on the wall and it was only a matter of time. From the fans (majority?) point of view SWP was a pretty loathesome character, but I am not sure if any chairman would have been as lenient with Paolo as JW clearly was. Guess we will never find out. Oldhamred
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3:44am Fri 22 Feb 13

TenerifeRed says...

If you happen to read this, a massive and sincere thankyou for saving our club Andrew.
You've told us all we need to know and I hope we can now move on.
I wish you every success in the future.

Right, now we need to get behind the boys on Saturday.
We can win this league!
If you happen to read this, a massive and sincere thankyou for saving our club Andrew. You've told us all we need to know and I hope we can now move on. I wish you every success in the future. Right, now we need to get behind the boys on Saturday. We can win this league! TenerifeRed
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5:24am Fri 22 Feb 13

U REDS says...

Well well well. Interesting stuff. Now can we move on?
Well well well. Interesting stuff. Now can we move on? U REDS
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5:32am Fri 22 Feb 13

vikingred says...

The only words needed here Mr Black are .... THANK YOU.
The only words needed here Mr Black are .... THANK YOU. vikingred
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5:40am Fri 22 Feb 13

Jets there'd says...

Thanks for saving our Club when you did.

I would love to know what Andrew Black's motive was in the first place when he invested millions.
Was he hoping to make money out of the ground development?

Regardless of the soap opera being played out by all, this is ALL of our football Club.
No-one is bigger than the Club & we must remember that.

Lets get back to football which is what true supporters are all here for.

Good luck to all the ex Town parties as they go their separate ways. I am sure they all meant well.

Here's to the next chapter in STFC's history.
Thanks for saving our Club when you did. I would love to know what Andrew Black's motive was in the first place when he invested millions. Was he hoping to make money out of the ground development? Regardless of the soap opera being played out by all, this is ALL of our football Club. No-one is bigger than the Club & we must remember that. Lets get back to football which is what true supporters are all here for. Good luck to all the ex Town parties as they go their separate ways. I am sure they all meant well. Here's to the next chapter in STFC's history. Jets there'd
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5:54am Fri 22 Feb 13

the wizard says...

A very difficult position to be in, how do you weigh it all up when you are stuck in the middle with somebody who has a gun to your head. I don't think anyone could have done any better under those circumstances. Very well done to AB and thanks for the insight and for saving the club, AND, keeping it in the league, something which seems to get lost in amongst everything else.
Deciding as to whether PDC is saint or sinner is now down to the individual.
A very difficult position to be in, how do you weigh it all up when you are stuck in the middle with somebody who has a gun to your head. I don't think anyone could have done any better under those circumstances. Very well done to AB and thanks for the insight and for saving the club, AND, keeping it in the league, something which seems to get lost in amongst everything else. Deciding as to whether PDC is saint or sinner is now down to the individual. the wizard
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5:55am Fri 22 Feb 13

EastleazeRed says...

Jets there'd wrote:
Thanks for saving our Club when you did.

I would love to know what Andrew Black's motive was in the first place when he invested millions.
Was he hoping to make money out of the ground development?

Regardless of the soap opera being played out by all, this is ALL of our football Club.
No-one is bigger than the Club & we must remember that.

Lets get back to football which is what true supporters are all here for.

Good luck to all the ex Town parties as they go their separate ways. I am sure they all meant well.

Here's to the next chapter in STFC's history.
The trouble was Di Canio was bigger than the football club and he knew it !
[quote][p][bold]Jets there'd[/bold] wrote: Thanks for saving our Club when you did. I would love to know what Andrew Black's motive was in the first place when he invested millions. Was he hoping to make money out of the ground development? Regardless of the soap opera being played out by all, this is ALL of our football Club. No-one is bigger than the Club & we must remember that. Lets get back to football which is what true supporters are all here for. Good luck to all the ex Town parties as they go their separate ways. I am sure they all meant well. Here's to the next chapter in STFC's history.[/p][/quote]The trouble was Di Canio was bigger than the football club and he knew it ! EastleazeRed
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6:00am Fri 22 Feb 13

louiscassius says...

Thank you Mr Black very much!

I misjudges you as did alot of fans.....

Louis :-)))
Thank you Mr Black very much! I misjudges you as did alot of fans..... Louis :-))) louiscassius
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6:10am Fri 22 Feb 13

RogerJ1969 says...

Well! What an honest and open 'Tweet'.

Lokks like the whole thing has been highly skilllfully and diligently handled.
Obviously had the long term future of our great club at heart.
SWP seems to have been the hadman needed to reign in PDC.
We could have done a Luton here and may not have survived. Thanks AB.
Well! What an honest and open 'Tweet'. Lokks like the whole thing has been highly skilllfully and diligently handled. Obviously had the long term future of our great club at heart. SWP seems to have been the hadman needed to reign in PDC. We could have done a Luton here and may not have survived. Thanks AB. RogerJ1969
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6:19am Fri 22 Feb 13

the wizard says...

Seems that the rag known as the Daily Mail got it right about "high maintenance".
Seems that the rag known as the Daily Mail got it right about "high maintenance". the wizard
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6:23am Fri 22 Feb 13

the wizard says...

Perhaps now it can be revealed what monies were actually paid to PDC during his tenure here, details of wages and bonuses would now be of interest to supporters to see the burden, if any, the club was under to him. Then we can weigh up the balance of wages against promotion etc, and what the price was to keep the club in the league against going into admin, seems we came to within just a few Chippits of going out of existence all together.
Perhaps now it can be revealed what monies were actually paid to PDC during his tenure here, details of wages and bonuses would now be of interest to supporters to see the burden, if any, the club was under to him. Then we can weigh up the balance of wages against promotion etc, and what the price was to keep the club in the league against going into admin, seems we came to within just a few Chippits of going out of existence all together. the wizard
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6:27am Fri 22 Feb 13

Chish and Fips says...

Well that tied up a few loose ends and put out a different perspective on things.

Can only thank Mr Black for being so generous and patient with what must have been a tin of worms for him.

All the very best for the future Mr Black hopefully you get the respect you deserve for basically saving the club.
Well that tied up a few loose ends and put out a different perspective on things. Can only thank Mr Black for being so generous and patient with what must have been a tin of worms for him. All the very best for the future Mr Black hopefully you get the respect you deserve for basically saving the club. Chish and Fips
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6:31am Fri 22 Feb 13

red white says...

What a week,nothing for ages then all this and.....

We're top of the league!
What a week,nothing for ages then all this and..... We're top of the league! red white
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6:37am Fri 22 Feb 13

the wizard says...

We need a heavy duty fan as the sh#tt will continue to hit it for a day or two yet. I would like to know the details of the revised contract PDC and Spencer hit on Black with when the previous deal failed last summer.
We need a heavy duty fan as the sh#tt will continue to hit it for a day or two yet. I would like to know the details of the revised contract PDC and Spencer hit on Black with when the previous deal failed last summer. the wizard
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6:42am Fri 22 Feb 13

Chish and Fips says...

the wizard wrote:
We need a heavy duty fan as the sh#tt will continue to hit it for a day or two yet. I would like to know the details of the revised contract PDC and Spencer hit on Black with when the previous deal failed last summer.
The 'One sided ' comment is interesting regarding the revised contract , could be another clue to recent events with PDC and the incoming board.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: We need a heavy duty fan as the sh#tt will continue to hit it for a day or two yet. I would like to know the details of the revised contract PDC and Spencer hit on Black with when the previous deal failed last summer.[/p][/quote]The 'One sided ' comment is interesting regarding the revised contract , could be another clue to recent events with PDC and the incoming board. Chish and Fips
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6:50am Fri 22 Feb 13

STFCman&boy1973 says...

That is one side of the debacle, I think he's just read the forums, see what some fans have said, and got his politician to do one last piece of work before he left...

Poor ab,, boo hoo...

I can't wait for the side of the debacle to come out...

COYMRs
That is one side of the debacle, I think he's just read the forums, see what some fans have said, and got his politician to do one last piece of work before he left... Poor ab,, boo hoo... I can't wait for the side of the debacle to come out... COYMRs STFCman&boy1973
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6:52am Fri 22 Feb 13

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

Fairplay to you Mr Black....

and thankyou for looking after STFC and saving the club
Fairplay to you Mr Black.... and thankyou for looking after STFC and saving the club DarrenSTFCRomain
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6:57am Fri 22 Feb 13

eastern red says...

That's one side of the story, PDC must now give his side.
That's one side of the story, PDC must now give his side. eastern red
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7:06am Fri 22 Feb 13

RogerJ1969 says...

STFCman&boy1973 wrote:
That is one side of the debacle, I think he's just read the forums, see what some fans have said, and got his politician to do one last piece of work before he left...

Poor ab,, boo hoo...

I can't wait for the side of the debacle to come out...

COYMRs
Very cynical, think of the Luton scenario, I for one believe we have been skillfully steered away from disaster.
[quote][p][bold]STFCman&boy1973[/bold] wrote: That is one side of the debacle, I think he's just read the forums, see what some fans have said, and got his politician to do one last piece of work before he left... Poor ab,, boo hoo... I can't wait for the side of the debacle to come out... COYMRs[/p][/quote]Very cynical, think of the Luton scenario, I for one believe we have been skillfully steered away from disaster. RogerJ1969
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7:07am Fri 22 Feb 13

RogerJ1969 says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
Jets there'd wrote:
Thanks for saving our Club when you did.

I would love to know what Andrew Black's motive was in the first place when he invested millions.
Was he hoping to make money out of the ground development?

Regardless of the soap opera being played out by all, this is ALL of our football Club.
No-one is bigger than the Club & we must remember that.

Lets get back to football which is what true supporters are all here for.

Good luck to all the ex Town parties as they go their separate ways. I am sure they all meant well.

Here's to the next chapter in STFC's history.
The trouble was Di Canio was bigger than the football club and he knew it !
Someone quoted an example of having a girlfrield you knew was out of your league but you enjoyed while it lasted.
I certainly did!!!
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jets there'd[/bold] wrote: Thanks for saving our Club when you did. I would love to know what Andrew Black's motive was in the first place when he invested millions. Was he hoping to make money out of the ground development? Regardless of the soap opera being played out by all, this is ALL of our football Club. No-one is bigger than the Club & we must remember that. Lets get back to football which is what true supporters are all here for. Good luck to all the ex Town parties as they go their separate ways. I am sure they all meant well. Here's to the next chapter in STFC's history.[/p][/quote]The trouble was Di Canio was bigger than the football club and he knew it ![/p][/quote]Someone quoted an example of having a girlfrield you knew was out of your league but you enjoyed while it lasted. I certainly did!!! RogerJ1969
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7:08am Fri 22 Feb 13

stfclondon says...

STFCman&boy1973 wrote:
That is one side of the debacle, I think he's just read the forums, see what some fans have said, and got his politician to do one last piece of work before he left...

Poor ab,, boo hoo...

I can't wait for the side of the debacle to come out...

COYMRs
You really think he cares what a few delusional fans write about him on forums?

I respect his openness. As in any situation, there are two sides to every story. It's not as if our ex-manager has been shy about getting his side across, is it?

The Di Canio era was a magical, exhilarating time to be a Town fan that will never be forgotten. It's thanks to Andrew Black's spending that we were able to experience it, so for that we should thank him.
[quote][p][bold]STFCman&boy1973[/bold] wrote: That is one side of the debacle, I think he's just read the forums, see what some fans have said, and got his politician to do one last piece of work before he left... Poor ab,, boo hoo... I can't wait for the side of the debacle to come out... COYMRs[/p][/quote]You really think he cares what a few delusional fans write about him on forums? I respect his openness. As in any situation, there are two sides to every story. It's not as if our ex-manager has been shy about getting his side across, is it? The Di Canio era was a magical, exhilarating time to be a Town fan that will never be forgotten. It's thanks to Andrew Black's spending that we were able to experience it, so for that we should thank him. stfclondon
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7:08am Fri 22 Feb 13

stfclondon says...

eastern red wrote:
That's one side of the story, PDC must now give his side.
I'm sure he will, don't worry about that.
[quote][p][bold]eastern red[/bold] wrote: That's one side of the story, PDC must now give his side.[/p][/quote]I'm sure he will, don't worry about that. stfclondon
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7:11am Fri 22 Feb 13

bhred says...

No reason whatsoever to doubt anything said by Mr Black
The end of a fantastic era and hopefully the start of another one as we look to secure a Championship place
Thank you Mr Black for everything, I can see how difficult a situation this must have been. Your timing wasn't great but understandable.
As for PDC, thanks for such an exhilerating journey but 'legendary' status...I don't think so.
You demanded undying loyalty from your players, you demanded that they face up head on to adversity....the very qualities that you seemingly didn't possess when the going got tough
I love Swindon Town Football Club and no one individual will ever be bigger than the club
No reason whatsoever to doubt anything said by Mr Black The end of a fantastic era and hopefully the start of another one as we look to secure a Championship place Thank you Mr Black for everything, I can see how difficult a situation this must have been. Your timing wasn't great but understandable. As for PDC, thanks for such an exhilerating journey but 'legendary' status...I don't think so. You demanded undying loyalty from your players, you demanded that they face up head on to adversity....the very qualities that you seemingly didn't possess when the going got tough I love Swindon Town Football Club and no one individual will ever be bigger than the club bhred
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7:17am Fri 22 Feb 13

jayden says...

Look foward to hearing the responce from pdc or will he wait untill five to three on sat.Thanks Mr black if anyone is to get a standing ovation on sat it should be you as their would be no club.
Look foward to hearing the responce from pdc or will he wait untill five to three on sat.Thanks Mr black if anyone is to get a standing ovation on sat it should be you as their would be no club. jayden
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7:19am Fri 22 Feb 13

Last step says...

As a couple of people have said- this is just AB's side of the story. People can decide to simply accept it as gospel if they want.

I won't, there's clearly more to it, but I don't think dragging it out any longer and washing our dirty linen in public is at all good for the club, so I hope there isn't any comeback from Di Canio or Spencer and this draws a line under it and everyone can move on.

Thanks for all you have done for the club, AB, but your exit strategy was awful and really messed things up. Town supporters are well within their rights to remember that in addition to remembering all he good you did.
As a couple of people have said- this is just AB's side of the story. People can decide to simply accept it as gospel if they want. I won't, there's clearly more to it, but I don't think dragging it out any longer and washing our dirty linen in public is at all good for the club, so I hope there isn't any comeback from Di Canio or Spencer and this draws a line under it and everyone can move on. Thanks for all you have done for the club, AB, but your exit strategy was awful and really messed things up. Town supporters are well within their rights to remember that in addition to remembering all he good you did. Last step
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7:22am Fri 22 Feb 13

berswin says...

Thank you mr. Black for the financial support of the club when it needed it the most and for the honesty to tell some of the things that has happened behind closed doors
Thank you mr. Black for the financial support of the club when it needed it the most and for the honesty to tell some of the things that has happened behind closed doors berswin
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7:25am Fri 22 Feb 13

Last step says...

stfclondon wrote:
STFCman&boy1973 wrote:
That is one side of the debacle, I think he's just read the forums, see what some fans have said, and got his politician to do one last piece of work before he left...

Poor ab,, boo hoo...

I can't wait for the side of the debacle to come out...

COYMRs
You really think he cares what a few delusional fans write about him on forums?

I respect his openness. As in any situation, there are two sides to every story. It's not as if our ex-manager has been shy about getting his side across, is it?

The Di Canio era was a magical, exhilarating time to be a Town fan that will never be forgotten. It's thanks to Andrew Black's spending that we were able to experience it, so for that we should thank him.
I think your last paragraph is important for people to remember. A lot of supporters seem to want to pick a side, but I don't really agree with that.

The whole period was a great time to be a Swindon Town supporter and we should be pleased about that.
[quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]STFCman&boy1973[/bold] wrote: That is one side of the debacle, I think he's just read the forums, see what some fans have said, and got his politician to do one last piece of work before he left... Poor ab,, boo hoo... I can't wait for the side of the debacle to come out... COYMRs[/p][/quote]You really think he cares what a few delusional fans write about him on forums? I respect his openness. As in any situation, there are two sides to every story. It's not as if our ex-manager has been shy about getting his side across, is it? The Di Canio era was a magical, exhilarating time to be a Town fan that will never be forgotten. It's thanks to Andrew Black's spending that we were able to experience it, so for that we should thank him.[/p][/quote]I think your last paragraph is important for people to remember. A lot of supporters seem to want to pick a side, but I don't really agree with that. The whole period was a great time to be a Swindon Town supporter and we should be pleased about that. Last step
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7:26am Fri 22 Feb 13

Brainy_G93 says...

Thanks Mr Black. Most definitely job done from your side, just a shame others couldn't stick around to finish their jobs.

Saying that, I'd never criticise Paolo. Champions Div 2 first year and now top of Div 1. I think every one of us would have settled for that the day he was named manager.

As someone said yesterday, what other manager would agree to take a pay cut, would agree to pay for loan players, would be shovelling snow off the pitch approaching midnight, buy the fans pizza's. On the separate occasions he lost his parents he stuck around to take charge of matches when everyone would have forgiven him if he had wanted to be with his grieving family.

Mr Black, Mr Di Canio, sincere thanks for everything.
Thanks Mr Black. Most definitely job done from your side, just a shame others couldn't stick around to finish their jobs. Saying that, I'd never criticise Paolo. Champions Div 2 first year and now top of Div 1. I think every one of us would have settled for that the day he was named manager. As someone said yesterday, what other manager would agree to take a pay cut, would agree to pay for loan players, would be shovelling snow off the pitch approaching midnight, buy the fans pizza's. On the separate occasions he lost his parents he stuck around to take charge of matches when everyone would have forgiven him if he had wanted to be with his grieving family. Mr Black, Mr Di Canio, sincere thanks for everything. Brainy_G93
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7:32am Fri 22 Feb 13

albatross says...

Firstly, many thanks to Andrew Black for saving the club. Still one thing I am not clear about from his statement is why the urgency to sell the club. Surely he could have waited til the end of the season. Given the position of the club in the league (i.e. a reasonable chance of promotion - which would have greatly increased the value of the club - or at least earning a fair amount of money from the play-offs) it would have been in all parties interest to have waited.

Secondly, Paulo resigning before speaking to the new owners not make much sense either. With only a couple of months of the season left what could he achieve anywhere else (if West Ham wanted him they could have waited til the end of the season so no panic there either). If we didn’t get promotion them he could cite the disruption from the sale of the club and not being able to sign players, and if he DID get us promoted then he could claim back to back promotion against the background of the adversity. The second promotion being a greater achievement as it was done in despite the problems at the club and against stronger opposition. It is a no lose situation for him. Also, by quitting he will also make it more difficult to tell his future players to tough it out when the going gets tough instead of walking away. To my mind it is clearly in our interests and his interests to manage us until the end of the season. I hope the new owners are straight on the phone to offer him the job on whatever terms he wants until the end of the season. With have a great chance to go up this season which might not come around again for a very long time. I think we need an experienced manager to get us over the winning line and then go from there (if Paulo can’t be persuaded to think again).
A number of posters have commented on how Di Canio achieved what he did with a big budget. I think it should be acknowledged that he generated a significant amount of funds himself from cup runs. Doesn’t anyone know roughly how much money we earned above budget for his cup runs this season and last? It must be in the millions and hence a very significant proportion of the overall original budget. Even if he had a much higher budget last season that League Two rivals he still must take credit for beating many teams from higher leagues with much bigger budgets than us.

Lastly, Andrew Black said Paulo couldn’t manage up. I think in football a successful manager is the rarest commodity and therefore it is up to the owners and the board to ensure that they keep such a manager happy and try to ensure that the quirks of that manager don’t become too big a problem.
Firstly, many thanks to Andrew Black for saving the club. Still one thing I am not clear about from his statement is why the urgency to sell the club. Surely he could have waited til the end of the season. Given the position of the club in the league (i.e. a reasonable chance of promotion - which would have greatly increased the value of the club - or at least earning a fair amount of money from the play-offs) it would have been in all parties interest to have waited. Secondly, Paulo resigning before speaking to the new owners not make much sense either. With only a couple of months of the season left what could he achieve anywhere else (if West Ham wanted him they could have waited til the end of the season so no panic there either). If we didn’t get promotion them he could cite the disruption from the sale of the club and not being able to sign players, and if he DID get us promoted then he could claim back to back promotion against the background of the adversity. The second promotion being a greater achievement as it was done in despite the problems at the club and against stronger opposition. It is a no lose situation for him. Also, by quitting he will also make it more difficult to tell his future players to tough it out when the going gets tough instead of walking away. To my mind it is clearly in our interests and his interests to manage us until the end of the season. I hope the new owners are straight on the phone to offer him the job on whatever terms he wants until the end of the season. With have a great chance to go up this season which might not come around again for a very long time. I think we need an experienced manager to get us over the winning line and then go from there (if Paulo can’t be persuaded to think again). A number of posters have commented on how Di Canio achieved what he did with a big budget. I think it should be acknowledged that he generated a significant amount of funds himself from cup runs. Doesn’t anyone know roughly how much money we earned above budget for his cup runs this season and last? It must be in the millions and hence a very significant proportion of the overall original budget. Even if he had a much higher budget last season that League Two rivals he still must take credit for beating many teams from higher leagues with much bigger budgets than us. Lastly, Andrew Black said Paulo couldn’t manage up. I think in football a successful manager is the rarest commodity and therefore it is up to the owners and the board to ensure that they keep such a manager happy and try to ensure that the quirks of that manager don’t become too big a problem. albatross
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7:33am Fri 22 Feb 13

EastleazeRed says...

Where does Paolo go from here ? David Gold has said there's no job for him at west ham , and after todays fabrication of Paolo breaking into the club and damaging property in the daily mail its gonna take a brave chairman to want to take him on. Just wish he could of hung on in there for few more days, still a legend in my eyes though.
Where does Paolo go from here ? David Gold has said there's no job for him at west ham , and after todays fabrication of Paolo breaking into the club and damaging property in the daily mail its gonna take a brave chairman to want to take him on. Just wish he could of hung on in there for few more days, still a legend in my eyes though. EastleazeRed
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7:40am Fri 22 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

The multi millionaire who don't speak,
Just does what most kids do text/tweet.
For someone of that authority he didn't know a lot?.
Still as the book closes he ended up having the last laugh.
By the rumour he was keeping 15%stake in the club made the job untenable for Paolo to stay, the rumour the new board would sack di canio for newell, selling Ritchie for peanuts. Made Paolo an easy decision to make which was by walking.
Now he's walked black will not have his 15% the new board can pick newell
Or buckle to drive us back down the league.
Stitch up comes to mind, which a self opinionated man decided to walk because of his strong morals.
Onwards and ???????
We will miss the passion,hunger,tacti
tion that Paolo ment.
Just like to add Paolo will NEVER manage a top premiership club, due to his outbursts of players.
Imagine players on 50 grandPlus being ridiculed, the players would rebel.
Good luck Paolo shame you never completed the job and let us down by a stupid deadline you set.
Looking forward to wardy/miller who hope will carry on the di canio work ethic.
I will Give 100% but will not entertain
The likes of newell, buckle or butcher
Adkins is waiting but time is running out FAST.
The multi millionaire who don't speak, Just does what most kids do text/tweet. For someone of that authority he didn't know a lot?. Still as the book closes he ended up having the last laugh. By the rumour he was keeping 15%stake in the club made the job untenable for Paolo to stay, the rumour the new board would sack di canio for newell, selling Ritchie for peanuts. Made Paolo an easy decision to make which was by walking. Now he's walked black will not have his 15% the new board can pick newell Or buckle to drive us back down the league. Stitch up comes to mind, which a self opinionated man decided to walk because of his strong morals. Onwards and ??????? We will miss the passion,hunger,tacti tion that Paolo ment. Just like to add Paolo will NEVER manage a top premiership club, due to his outbursts of players. Imagine players on 50 grandPlus being ridiculed, the players would rebel. Good luck Paolo shame you never completed the job and let us down by a stupid deadline you set. Looking forward to wardy/miller who hope will carry on the di canio work ethic. I will Give 100% but will not entertain The likes of newell, buckle or butcher Adkins is waiting but time is running out FAST. smirg kcab
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7:47am Fri 22 Feb 13

deviant in the tupping pen says...

Despite all the ups and downs, the ins and outs, there remains one irrefutable fact. Our club is in a much better place at the end of the Black era than it was at the start. Thank you Mr Black.
Despite all the ups and downs, the ins and outs, there remains one irrefutable fact. Our club is in a much better place at the end of the Black era than it was at the start. Thank you Mr Black. deviant in the tupping pen
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7:48am Fri 22 Feb 13

EastleazeRed says...

smirg kcab wrote:
The multi millionaire who don't speak,
Just does what most kids do text/tweet.
For someone of that authority he didn't know a lot?.
Still as the book closes he ended up having the last laugh.
By the rumour he was keeping 15%stake in the club made the job untenable for Paolo to stay, the rumour the new board would sack di canio for newell, selling Ritchie for peanuts. Made Paolo an easy decision to make which was by walking.
Now he's walked black will not have his 15% the new board can pick newell
Or buckle to drive us back down the league.
Stitch up comes to mind, which a self opinionated man decided to walk because of his strong morals.
Onwards and ???????
We will miss the passion,hunger,tacti

tion that Paolo ment.
Just like to add Paolo will NEVER manage a top premiership club, due to his outbursts of players.
Imagine players on 50 grandPlus being ridiculed, the players would rebel.
Good luck Paolo shame you never completed the job and let us down by a stupid deadline you set.
Looking forward to wardy/miller who hope will carry on the di canio work ethic.
I will Give 100% but will not entertain
The likes of newell, buckle or butcher
Adkins is waiting but time is running out FAST.
I still wouldn't rule out a Di Canio return nor have the bookies still 2/1
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: The multi millionaire who don't speak, Just does what most kids do text/tweet. For someone of that authority he didn't know a lot?. Still as the book closes he ended up having the last laugh. By the rumour he was keeping 15%stake in the club made the job untenable for Paolo to stay, the rumour the new board would sack di canio for newell, selling Ritchie for peanuts. Made Paolo an easy decision to make which was by walking. Now he's walked black will not have his 15% the new board can pick newell Or buckle to drive us back down the league. Stitch up comes to mind, which a self opinionated man decided to walk because of his strong morals. Onwards and ??????? We will miss the passion,hunger,tacti tion that Paolo ment. Just like to add Paolo will NEVER manage a top premiership club, due to his outbursts of players. Imagine players on 50 grandPlus being ridiculed, the players would rebel. Good luck Paolo shame you never completed the job and let us down by a stupid deadline you set. Looking forward to wardy/miller who hope will carry on the di canio work ethic. I will Give 100% but will not entertain The likes of newell, buckle or butcher Adkins is waiting but time is running out FAST.[/p][/quote]I still wouldn't rule out a Di Canio return nor have the bookies still 2/1 EastleazeRed
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7:48am Fri 22 Feb 13

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

It's going to be World War 3 as this is now definitely going to get played out in the public arena. Far from ideal and such a shame Black and Paolo couldn't work together.

Really looking forward to what Miller and Ward have to say. As there is clearly no way back for Paolo I hope we go on a winning streak and these two get appointed full time.
It's going to be World War 3 as this is now definitely going to get played out in the public arena. Far from ideal and such a shame Black and Paolo couldn't work together. Really looking forward to what Miller and Ward have to say. As there is clearly no way back for Paolo I hope we go on a winning streak and these two get appointed full time. dreamofacleansheet2
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7:51am Fri 22 Feb 13

Mytwocents says...

PDC will only be short term manager wherever he goes. Chairmen won't put up with his ego for long, and he won't stick around once the going gets tough..he will always be a good "impact" manager though
PDC will only be short term manager wherever he goes. Chairmen won't put up with his ego for long, and he won't stick around once the going gets tough..he will always be a good "impact" manager though Mytwocents
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7:53am Fri 22 Feb 13

redtilldead says...

So the otherside ofthe story is out - Thanks Mr Black, YOU saved our club.

Now PDC was good at self publicity but he's been trumped. The truth PDC is you had your toys taken away and like many a dictator before you ran. In to reverse like mussolini.

PDC your song should be played loud at the CG tomorrow. Liar by the Sex Pistols - go get the lyrics. Oh PDC there's only one mr bighead, Cloughie - now run on home and count your cash.

COYR

Now then lets go win this league.
So the otherside ofthe story is out - Thanks Mr Black, YOU saved our club. Now PDC was good at self publicity but he's been trumped. The truth PDC is you had your toys taken away and like many a dictator before you ran. In to reverse like mussolini. PDC your song should be played loud at the CG tomorrow. Liar by the Sex Pistols - go get the lyrics. Oh PDC there's only one mr bighead, Cloughie - now run on home and count your cash. COYR Now then lets go win this league. redtilldead
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7:57am Fri 22 Feb 13

Rondogers says...

southside7 wrote:
One question you don't answer Andrew.....why did you get involved in the first place?
yes exactly!

I just don't understand what his motives were for buying the club, for a guy who has said he doesn't even like football!

He said ' I just wanted to restore some respectability' that is a load of nonsense!

I appreciate him making a statement but please don't treat the fans like idiots. You are a success business man so you can't expect people to believe you decided one day to invest in STFC for charitable reasons.

And the bit about Wray being obsessed with Di Canio, so what! at least Wary is a 'football person' and understands the passion of the game...and i'd say it was a pretty dam good choice!!

The fact of the matter is everyone is going to have their little say but we will never get a true account for what has happened, people with money and power lie!

Anyway lets get behind the new board as that is all we can do! (until the day it all goes pear-shaped again....which it will!!)

COYR
[quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: One question you don't answer Andrew.....why did you get involved in the first place?[/p][/quote]yes exactly! I just don't understand what his motives were for buying the club, for a guy who has said he doesn't even like football! He said ' I just wanted to restore some respectability' that is a load of nonsense! I appreciate him making a statement but please don't treat the fans like idiots. You are a success business man so you can't expect people to believe you decided one day to invest in STFC for charitable reasons. And the bit about Wray being obsessed with Di Canio, so what! at least Wary is a 'football person' and understands the passion of the game...and i'd say it was a pretty dam good choice!! The fact of the matter is everyone is going to have their little say but we will never get a true account for what has happened, people with money and power lie! Anyway lets get behind the new board as that is all we can do! (until the day it all goes pear-shaped again....which it will!!) COYR Rondogers
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7:59am Fri 22 Feb 13

louiscassius says...

Sky Bet has Di Canio at 11/4 but dont bet on him coming back !!

Jed said he'd rang Spencer last night......didnt say what for.....

I just wonder........

Louis :-))))
Sky Bet has Di Canio at 11/4 but dont bet on him coming back !! Jed said he'd rang Spencer last night......didnt say what for..... I just wonder........ Louis :-)))) louiscassius
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8:00am Fri 22 Feb 13

Chish and Fips says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
Where does Paolo go from here ? David Gold has said there's no job for him at west ham , and after todays fabrication of Paolo breaking into the club and damaging property in the daily mail its gonna take a brave chairman to want to take him on. Just wish he could of hung on in there for few more days, still a legend in my eyes though.
I think Patey has put a word in for PDC at the Diplomatic Corp. in London.
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Where does Paolo go from here ? David Gold has said there's no job for him at west ham , and after todays fabrication of Paolo breaking into the club and damaging property in the daily mail its gonna take a brave chairman to want to take him on. Just wish he could of hung on in there for few more days, still a legend in my eyes though.[/p][/quote]I think Patey has put a word in for PDC at the Diplomatic Corp. in London. Chish and Fips
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8:05am Fri 22 Feb 13

peatmoor pirate says...

Thank You for saving our club Mr Black. When all is said and done you have ploughed a shedload of money into the club and very probably saved us from extinction. For that, you will always have mine and any right-mided fan's thanks.
Thank You for saving our club Mr Black. When all is said and done you have ploughed a shedload of money into the club and very probably saved us from extinction. For that, you will always have mine and any right-mided fan's thanks. peatmoor pirate
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8:07am Fri 22 Feb 13

Nick1234 says...

louiscassius wrote:
Sky Bet has Di Canio at 11/4 but dont bet on him coming back !!

Jed said he'd rang Spencer last night......didnt say what for.....

I just wonder........

Louis :-))))
Do you want that?

PDC's time has gone, and the club now needs a better manager than him
[quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Sky Bet has Di Canio at 11/4 but dont bet on him coming back !! Jed said he'd rang Spencer last night......didnt say what for..... I just wonder........ Louis :-))))[/p][/quote]Do you want that? PDC's time has gone, and the club now needs a better manager than him Nick1234
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8:09am Fri 22 Feb 13

talktellme says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
The multi millionaire who don't speak,
Just does what most kids do text/tweet.
For someone of that authority he didn't know a lot?.
Still as the book closes he ended up having the last laugh.
By the rumour he was keeping 15%stake in the club made the job untenable for Paolo to stay, the rumour the new board would sack di canio for newell, selling Ritchie for peanuts. Made Paolo an easy decision to make which was by walking.
Now he's walked black will not have his 15% the new board can pick newell
Or buckle to drive us back down the league.
Stitch up comes to mind, which a self opinionated man decided to walk because of his strong morals.
Onwards and ???????
We will miss the passion,hunger,tacti


tion that Paolo ment.
Just like to add Paolo will NEVER manage a top premiership club, due to his outbursts of players.
Imagine players on 50 grandPlus being ridiculed, the players would rebel.
Good luck Paolo shame you never completed the job and let us down by a stupid deadline you set.
Looking forward to wardy/miller who hope will carry on the di canio work ethic.
I will Give 100% but will not entertain
The likes of newell, buckle or butcher
Adkins is waiting but time is running out FAST.
I still wouldn't rule out a Di Canio return nor have the bookies still 2/1
No chance he has well and truly blotted his copy book.
Mr Black has set the record straight. There may well be a lot more to come out yet. Di Canio did not have to go he made his own mind up to do that. It seems like the new owners had made an agreement with the ex manager and it was he who threw his toys out of the pram. Rollercoaster while it lasted but the club nearly went bust. Thanks to Andrew Black the club can now move on. Good luck to our new management team and brave owners.
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: The multi millionaire who don't speak, Just does what most kids do text/tweet. For someone of that authority he didn't know a lot?. Still as the book closes he ended up having the last laugh. By the rumour he was keeping 15%stake in the club made the job untenable for Paolo to stay, the rumour the new board would sack di canio for newell, selling Ritchie for peanuts. Made Paolo an easy decision to make which was by walking. Now he's walked black will not have his 15% the new board can pick newell Or buckle to drive us back down the league. Stitch up comes to mind, which a self opinionated man decided to walk because of his strong morals. Onwards and ??????? We will miss the passion,hunger,tacti tion that Paolo ment. Just like to add Paolo will NEVER manage a top premiership club, due to his outbursts of players. Imagine players on 50 grandPlus being ridiculed, the players would rebel. Good luck Paolo shame you never completed the job and let us down by a stupid deadline you set. Looking forward to wardy/miller who hope will carry on the di canio work ethic. I will Give 100% but will not entertain The likes of newell, buckle or butcher Adkins is waiting but time is running out FAST.[/p][/quote]I still wouldn't rule out a Di Canio return nor have the bookies still 2/1[/p][/quote]No chance he has well and truly blotted his copy book. Mr Black has set the record straight. There may well be a lot more to come out yet. Di Canio did not have to go he made his own mind up to do that. It seems like the new owners had made an agreement with the ex manager and it was he who threw his toys out of the pram. Rollercoaster while it lasted but the club nearly went bust. Thanks to Andrew Black the club can now move on. Good luck to our new management team and brave owners. talktellme
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8:11am Fri 22 Feb 13

malexa says...

Thank you Andrew, you were there at the right time, you ploughed money in and saved our Club. You have taken loads of abuse from "Fans" you have not retaliated in a battle of words, a true gentleman. It's good to hear your side of the story finally. Now let's get on with the next chapter, but I want to say once again - Thank you
Thank you Andrew, you were there at the right time, you ploughed money in and saved our Club. You have taken loads of abuse from "Fans" you have not retaliated in a battle of words, a true gentleman. It's good to hear your side of the story finally. Now let's get on with the next chapter, but I want to say once again - Thank you malexa
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8:13am Fri 22 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

Haven't we been getting PDC's side of the story for the last 18 months? I see these comments from Black as finally responding to PDC's constant tirade of threats and accusations, after a long and dignified silence.
Haven't we been getting PDC's side of the story for the last 18 months? I see these comments from Black as finally responding to PDC's constant tirade of threats and accusations, after a long and dignified silence. Oi Den!
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8:19am Fri 22 Feb 13

Old Town says...

Nick1234 wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
Sky Bet has Di Canio at 11/4 but dont bet on him coming back !!

Jed said he'd rang Spencer last night......didnt say what for.....

I just wonder........

Louis :-))))
Do you want that?

PDC's time has gone, and the club now needs a better manager than him
Better manager than PDC - are you away with the fairies ?????

Forgetting any outbursts off the pitch, a manager has to be viewed on results

First season, won the league

Second season, top of the league when he left with possibly the best squad we have had since Hoddle was in charge

Who could do better than that ?
[quote][p][bold]Nick1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Sky Bet has Di Canio at 11/4 but dont bet on him coming back !! Jed said he'd rang Spencer last night......didnt say what for..... I just wonder........ Louis :-))))[/p][/quote]Do you want that? PDC's time has gone, and the club now needs a better manager than him[/p][/quote]Better manager than PDC - are you away with the fairies ????? Forgetting any outbursts off the pitch, a manager has to be viewed on results First season, won the league Second season, top of the league when he left with possibly the best squad we have had since Hoddle was in charge Who could do better than that ? Old Town
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8:20am Fri 22 Feb 13

peatmoor pirate says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Haven't we been getting PDC's side of the story for the last 18 months? I see these comments from Black as finally responding to PDC's constant tirade of threats and accusations, after a long and dignified silence.
sadly have to agree. I wish them both well for the future. Paolo needs to change a bit though if he is to deliver at a highr level in football, far too erratic for many club's tolerance I should imagine.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Haven't we been getting PDC's side of the story for the last 18 months? I see these comments from Black as finally responding to PDC's constant tirade of threats and accusations, after a long and dignified silence.[/p][/quote]sadly have to agree. I wish them both well for the future. Paolo needs to change a bit though if he is to deliver at a highr level in football, far too erratic for many club's tolerance I should imagine. peatmoor pirate
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8:21am Fri 22 Feb 13

Wembley69 says...

Well thank you Paolo for all that you did for the club but reading this statement makes things very clear! Personally I am looking forward to a new manager and one that will work with the owners!
Well thank you Paolo for all that you did for the club but reading this statement makes things very clear! Personally I am looking forward to a new manager and one that will work with the owners! Wembley69
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8:27am Fri 22 Feb 13

Tomcat 1944 says...

I have really enjoyed PDC's time in charge, for the most part the football has been superb and we have not lost that many matches. PDC does have a downside however, Caddis, Clarke and many other players just discarded seemingly for trivial reasons or simply because they were not good enough. Great as a supporter to see new players coming in on a regular basis but from the owner's point of view, a disaster. Reading AB's comments I have my doubts that any chairman in the country will now take PDC on as he is very difficult to manage not to mention expensive. PDC thanks for the memories.
I have really enjoyed PDC's time in charge, for the most part the football has been superb and we have not lost that many matches. PDC does have a downside however, Caddis, Clarke and many other players just discarded seemingly for trivial reasons or simply because they were not good enough. Great as a supporter to see new players coming in on a regular basis but from the owner's point of view, a disaster. Reading AB's comments I have my doubts that any chairman in the country will now take PDC on as he is very difficult to manage not to mention expensive. PDC thanks for the memories. Tomcat 1944
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8:28am Fri 22 Feb 13

hornet says...

This current team will go up into the championship this year there to good with or without Paolo

Now is the time to start a fresh and move on

New board , New manager new Division and with a man like Nick Wakins remaining at the club we still have stability

As for Paolo lots of jobs been out there the last couple of months not one aproach ( official one )
Personal any chairman would be scared stiff to take him on

IMO His biggest fault is Phil Spencer
No scouting network just him doing all the deals on players 500k last year
And for some of the good players he found there were alot of **** ones

So lets all look forward to next year in one of the Best Divisions in the world with a New Start

And a new roll in the new renamed Digbys deli Bar ( after Paolo ripped his name off last night )
This current team will go up into the championship this year there to good with or without Paolo Now is the time to start a fresh and move on New board , New manager new Division and with a man like Nick Wakins remaining at the club we still have stability As for Paolo lots of jobs been out there the last couple of months not one aproach ( official one ) Personal any chairman would be scared stiff to take him on IMO His biggest fault is Phil Spencer No scouting network just him doing all the deals on players 500k last year And for some of the good players he found there were alot of **** ones So lets all look forward to next year in one of the Best Divisions in the world with a New Start And a new roll in the new renamed Digbys deli Bar ( after Paolo ripped his name off last night ) hornet
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8:28am Fri 22 Feb 13

hornet says...

This current team will go up into the championship this year there to good with or without Paolo

Now is the time to start a fresh and move on

New board , New manager new Division and with a man like Nick Wakins remaining at the club we still have stability

As for Paolo lots of jobs been out there the last couple of months not one aproach ( official one )
Personal any chairman would be scared stiff to take him on

IMO His biggest fault is Phil Spencer
No scouting network just him doing all the deals on players 500k last year
And for some of the good players he found there were alot of **** ones

So lets all look forward to next year in one of the Best Divisions in the world with a New Start

And a new roll in the new renamed Digbys deli Bar ( after Paolo ripped his name off last night )
This current team will go up into the championship this year there to good with or without Paolo Now is the time to start a fresh and move on New board , New manager new Division and with a man like Nick Wakins remaining at the club we still have stability As for Paolo lots of jobs been out there the last couple of months not one aproach ( official one ) Personal any chairman would be scared stiff to take him on IMO His biggest fault is Phil Spencer No scouting network just him doing all the deals on players 500k last year And for some of the good players he found there were alot of **** ones So lets all look forward to next year in one of the Best Divisions in the world with a New Start And a new roll in the new renamed Digbys deli Bar ( after Paolo ripped his name off last night ) hornet
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8:30am Fri 22 Feb 13

mallorca says...

Well we got some ifo.Maybe not what was expected.
Makes you think holding a gun at AB´s head to secure a new contract for him and Spencer.
Then what does Pdc do this time round trys it on with the newcoming Board.
Looks like it backfired and there is for sure no way back for him.
In a sense it will save mega money.
Won´t go on about his bad points but will remeber him for gis good ones
Sad day as a man like Pdc had much to offer,yet no one man is bigger than his clubSo thank you AB and like another post I wondered why you got into STFC???????
As for walking away cannot blame you is your right and what you had invested in STFC I applaud you Sir Thank You
Well we got some ifo.Maybe not what was expected. Makes you think holding a gun at AB´s head to secure a new contract for him and Spencer. Then what does Pdc do this time round trys it on with the newcoming Board. Looks like it backfired and there is for sure no way back for him. In a sense it will save mega money. Won´t go on about his bad points but will remeber him for gis good ones Sad day as a man like Pdc had much to offer,yet no one man is bigger than his clubSo thank you AB and like another post I wondered why you got into STFC??????? As for walking away cannot blame you is your right and what you had invested in STFC I applaud you Sir Thank You mallorca
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8:33am Fri 22 Feb 13

Another view says...

I don't think many of us should be too surprised at Andrew Black's version. Apart from the attempted sale in 2011 it all sounds true to form.

Clearly AB and PDC did wonders for this club. Just a pity they were miles apart from day one, and the people in the middle were the decision makers day to day, with financial pressures on one side, and Paolo's demands on the other.

Thank you once again to Andrew Black and the others who put their own money into this club for whatever motive.
I don't think many of us should be too surprised at Andrew Black's version. Apart from the attempted sale in 2011 it all sounds true to form. Clearly AB and PDC did wonders for this club. Just a pity they were miles apart from day one, and the people in the middle were the decision makers day to day, with financial pressures on one side, and Paolo's demands on the other. Thank you once again to Andrew Black and the others who put their own money into this club for whatever motive. Another view
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8:34am Fri 22 Feb 13

Always red says...

Mr Black I'm one of those who slagged you off when you pulled out because I was angry, you have now put things into light I would like to apologise to you .
Thank you for saving us & good luck for the future
Just heard Pdc broke into the club last night and took pictures and other things.......Oh dear !
Mr Black I'm one of those who slagged you off when you pulled out because I was angry, you have now put things into light I would like to apologise to you . Thank you for saving us & good luck for the future Just heard Pdc broke into the club last night and took pictures and other things.......Oh dear ! Always red
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8:36am Fri 22 Feb 13

Med Red says...

Old Town wrote:
Nick1234 wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
Sky Bet has Di Canio at 11/4 but dont bet on him coming back !!

Jed said he'd rang Spencer last night......didnt say what for.....

I just wonder........

Louis :-))))
Do you want that?

PDC's time has gone, and the club now needs a better manager than him
Better manager than PDC - are you away with the fairies ?????

Forgetting any outbursts off the pitch, a manager has to be viewed on results

First season, won the league

Second season, top of the league when he left with possibly the best squad we have had since Hoddle was in charge

Who could do better than that ?
Agreed Old Town. Out of the bunch interested in becoming manager... Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Phil Brown, Gus MacPherson, Terry Butcher, Peter Taylor and Andy Thorn, which one's better than Paolo??? Hmmmm.... none of them!!
[quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Sky Bet has Di Canio at 11/4 but dont bet on him coming back !! Jed said he'd rang Spencer last night......didnt say what for..... I just wonder........ Louis :-))))[/p][/quote]Do you want that? PDC's time has gone, and the club now needs a better manager than him[/p][/quote]Better manager than PDC - are you away with the fairies ????? Forgetting any outbursts off the pitch, a manager has to be viewed on results First season, won the league Second season, top of the league when he left with possibly the best squad we have had since Hoddle was in charge Who could do better than that ?[/p][/quote]Agreed Old Town. Out of the bunch interested in becoming manager... Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Phil Brown, Gus MacPherson, Terry Butcher, Peter Taylor and Andy Thorn, which one's better than Paolo??? Hmmmm.... none of them!! Med Red
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8:40am Fri 22 Feb 13

Rondogers says...

Always red wrote:
Mr Black I'm one of those who slagged you off when you pulled out because I was angry, you have now put things into light I would like to apologise to you . Thank you for saving us & good luck for the future Just heard Pdc broke into the club last night and took pictures and other things.......Oh dear !
ha ha just imagining PDC wearing a mask carrying a swag bag, climbin through the bathroom window....maybe it was him that slashed all the tyres in Old Town as well! lol
[quote][p][bold]Always red[/bold] wrote: Mr Black I'm one of those who slagged you off when you pulled out because I was angry, you have now put things into light I would like to apologise to you . Thank you for saving us & good luck for the future Just heard Pdc broke into the club last night and took pictures and other things.......Oh dear ![/p][/quote]ha ha just imagining PDC wearing a mask carrying a swag bag, climbin through the bathroom window....maybe it was him that slashed all the tyres in Old Town as well! lol Rondogers
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8:40am Fri 22 Feb 13

ChippyBOB. says...

There are always two sides to a storey, and each side will try to cover their own ****.
I do find it hard to accept that he ‘never signed up to the '3 year plan' when it has been mentioned so much in the media, and by members of the clubs staff.
It appears clear that he had problems with Paolo as a character, being to strong, but that happens in all walks of life at all levels and is often the reason individuals have an edge to succeed.
I do thank him for his help with our club ( and will always be ours the fans ) although I may not sound like im grateful I most certainly am.
On Paolo I would have him back tomorrow, high maintenance or not he was good for Swindon and worked wonders with the team, also showed respect to the fans, I am though very disappointed at the timing of his leaving, whether in his statement when he mentioned having not heard from the new board to extend his temporary agreement he wanted them to, then he knows how to use a phone and ask as do all of us.
But a great man and manager and will remain a legend of Swindon in my book.
( although I did not agree with the Cadiss affair either, and would have him back too. may be next year?)
But onwards and upwards.
Welcome to Jed and his team, please be honest with us, and take care of this wonderful club.
Who ever manages us now good luck, if you work as hard as Paolo did you will gain our respect and hopefully gain more success in the future for STFC
You Reds
There are always two sides to a storey, and each side will try to cover their own ****. I do find it hard to accept that he ‘never signed up to the '3 year plan' when it has been mentioned so much in the media, and by members of the clubs staff. It appears clear that he had problems with Paolo as a character, being to strong, but that happens in all walks of life at all levels and is often the reason individuals have an edge to succeed. I do thank him for his help with our club ( and will always be ours the fans ) although I may not sound like im grateful I most certainly am. On Paolo I would have him back tomorrow, high maintenance or not he was good for Swindon and worked wonders with the team, also showed respect to the fans, I am though very disappointed at the timing of his leaving, whether in his statement when he mentioned having not heard from the new board to extend his temporary agreement he wanted them to, then he knows how to use a phone and ask as do all of us. But a great man and manager and will remain a legend of Swindon in my book. ( although I did not agree with the Cadiss affair either, and would have him back too. may be next year?) But onwards and upwards. Welcome to Jed and his team, please be honest with us, and take care of this wonderful club. Who ever manages us now good luck, if you work as hard as Paolo did you will gain our respect and hopefully gain more success in the future for STFC You Reds ChippyBOB.
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8:43am Fri 22 Feb 13

NewburyRobin says...

Reading Andrew Blacks statement & the Washbag article - Takeover: Goodbye Fitton & Co. Hello McCrory & Co it appears that Andrew Black & Sir Martyn Arbib are owed a huge debt of gratitude by all true supporters of STFC.

They have been prepared to write off millions for the sake of STFC, amazing when you think about it.

I have never really got my head around the word surreal, but I think this whole episode is pretty close to the mark.

I don't think Paolo will do himself any favours responding to either article.

It will be always & forever Swindon Towns Red & White Army.
Reading Andrew Blacks statement & the Washbag article - Takeover: Goodbye Fitton & Co. Hello McCrory & Co it appears that Andrew Black & Sir Martyn Arbib are owed a huge debt of gratitude by all true supporters of STFC. They have been prepared to write off millions for the sake of STFC, amazing when you think about it. I have never really got my head around the word surreal, but I think this whole episode is pretty close to the mark. I don't think Paolo will do himself any favours responding to either article. It will be always & forever Swindon Towns Red & White Army. NewburyRobin
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8:47am Fri 22 Feb 13

RogerJ1969 says...

Hmm, just heard Watkins on BBC Wilts, when asked about PDC he said never say never.
Personally I don't think it will happen and just does not feel right.
However, things are moving so quickly you never know what is round the corner.
Just hope we don't get the mindless PDC chants, that could upset the feelgood factor the interim team are trtying to feed off.
Roll on Saturday, lets do PNE and avenge the defeat upi there.
Hmm, just heard Watkins on BBC Wilts, when asked about PDC he said never say never. Personally I don't think it will happen and just does not feel right. However, things are moving so quickly you never know what is round the corner. Just hope we don't get the mindless PDC chants, that could upset the feelgood factor the interim team are trtying to feed off. Roll on Saturday, lets do PNE and avenge the defeat upi there. RogerJ1969
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8:48am Fri 22 Feb 13

BorisIsTheSpider says...

At the risk of being hanged as a heretic, part of the problem seems to be down to weak management by Jeremy Wray. Which is why AB replaced him, it seems. And when someone becomes indispensable in an organisation strong management gets rid. On that basis the new consortium seems to have started off on a good footing. Loved the pdc era, but back to reality folks. As for swp's parting shot - a tad unnecessary, but pdc took the bait and has probably ruled himself out of any worthwhile job now.
At the risk of being hanged as a heretic, part of the problem seems to be down to weak management by Jeremy Wray. Which is why AB replaced him, it seems. And when someone becomes indispensable in an organisation strong management gets rid. On that basis the new consortium seems to have started off on a good footing. Loved the pdc era, but back to reality folks. As for swp's parting shot - a tad unnecessary, but pdc took the bait and has probably ruled himself out of any worthwhile job now. BorisIsTheSpider
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8:49am Fri 22 Feb 13

STFCman&boy1973 says...

Nick1234 wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
Sky Bet has Di Canio at 11/4 but dont bet on him coming back !!

Jed said he'd rang Spencer last night......didnt say what for.....

I just wonder........

Louis :-))))
Do you want that?

PDC's time has gone, and the club now needs a better manager than him
So which one ofbuckle, Newell, harford, butcher its better, lmso...

There is only two managers better than PDC, at the mancs blue and red...I don't think they will be coming here, do you???

Please live in the real world...
[quote][p][bold]Nick1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Sky Bet has Di Canio at 11/4 but dont bet on him coming back !! Jed said he'd rang Spencer last night......didnt say what for..... I just wonder........ Louis :-))))[/p][/quote]Do you want that? PDC's time has gone, and the club now needs a better manager than him[/p][/quote]So which one ofbuckle, Newell, harford, butcher its better, lmso... There is only two managers better than PDC, at the mancs blue and red...I don't think they will be coming here, do you??? Please live in the real world... STFCman&boy1973
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8:51am Fri 22 Feb 13

Okus Road says...

Sad it ended like this. As stated Paolo was very high maintenance, anyone who has been a Manager of people will know some people are more difficult to manage than others, usually the high achievers. It was the boards job to manage Paolo and we now know how that didn't happen.

So Paolo you were great for the football team and fans as you put pride back into our football and I've loved every minute of it, but not so great for the club.

Mr Black you were great for the club and your ££££s saved us when we needed it so a big thankyou for that.

Now the takeover has been completed and we are top of the league and on course to win it.

So again thankyou to Paolo and Mr Black for what has been one of the best periods of supporting theTown.

Lets hope the right decision is made on the new manager, no old journeymen please, lets have another keen and hungry young explayer along the lines of Macari, Hoddle, Ardiles, Paolo you know it make sense. Jimmy Flloyd would do for me with an experienced man alongside him.

Glad to get back to watching football, now can't wait for Saturday and Tuesday with 6 points a must.
Sad it ended like this. As stated Paolo was very high maintenance, anyone who has been a Manager of people will know some people are more difficult to manage than others, usually the high achievers. It was the boards job to manage Paolo and we now know how that didn't happen. So Paolo you were great for the football team and fans as you put pride back into our football and I've loved every minute of it, but not so great for the club. Mr Black you were great for the club and your ££££s saved us when we needed it so a big thankyou for that. Now the takeover has been completed and we are top of the league and on course to win it. So again thankyou to Paolo and Mr Black for what has been one of the best periods of supporting theTown. Lets hope the right decision is made on the new manager, no old journeymen please, lets have another keen and hungry young explayer along the lines of Macari, Hoddle, Ardiles, Paolo you know it make sense. Jimmy Flloyd would do for me with an experienced man alongside him. Glad to get back to watching football, now can't wait for Saturday and Tuesday with 6 points a must. Okus Road
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8:51am Fri 22 Feb 13

BorisIsTheSpider says...

As for AB's arbitrary deadline - could it be that he wanted to get the loss onto his tax return? The true loss would then only be 6 million. Any accountants out there?
As for AB's arbitrary deadline - could it be that he wanted to get the loss onto his tax return? The true loss would then only be 6 million. Any accountants out there? BorisIsTheSpider
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8:53am Fri 22 Feb 13

STFCman&boy1973 says...

For a man who said nothing to the fans, he's sure changed his ways, maybe, just so he didn't get all the aggro of leaving the club from some fans...

What has he done that is so bad???

C-mon PDC spill the beans...
For a man who said nothing to the fans, he's sure changed his ways, maybe, just so he didn't get all the aggro of leaving the club from some fans... What has he done that is so bad??? C-mon PDC spill the beans... STFCman&boy1973
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8:53am Fri 22 Feb 13

Wonder Strike says...

I never got the grief Black got by people. He is a legend along with Fitton. People can moan, but he's left us top of the league and saved us from oblivion.

Thank you Black.
I never got the grief Black got by people. He is a legend along with Fitton. People can moan, but he's left us top of the league and saved us from oblivion. Thank you Black. Wonder Strike
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8:57am Fri 22 Feb 13

Rondogers says...

Just out of interest did PDC ever get that Swindon tattoo?
Just out of interest did PDC ever get that Swindon tattoo? Rondogers
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9:00am Fri 22 Feb 13

stfc_user says...

I have the up most respect for Black. he saved the club. For that we will always be thankful.

However, his statement shouts of 'it isn't my fault' - to the extent that he claims he's hardly been here and hasn't had any involvement. To me this means he has to shoulder as much blame as everyone else. No one comes out of this looking great I'm afraid.

Its just a shame that the bunch of friends/business associates who saved this club, then fell out with each other, which ultimately almost cost this club once again.

Anyway, its done now. We can say our thanks and move on.

It would be a brave, possibly foolish decision to take Di Canio back, but I'm convinced the majority of fans would welcome him with open arms - he has been the face and personality of a resurgent Swindon Town FC.
I have the up most respect for Black. he saved the club. For that we will always be thankful. However, his statement shouts of 'it isn't my fault' - to the extent that he claims he's hardly been here and hasn't had any involvement. To me this means he has to shoulder as much blame as everyone else. No one comes out of this looking great I'm afraid. Its just a shame that the bunch of friends/business associates who saved this club, then fell out with each other, which ultimately almost cost this club once again. Anyway, its done now. We can say our thanks and move on. It would be a brave, possibly foolish decision to take Di Canio back, but I'm convinced the majority of fans would welcome him with open arms - he has been the face and personality of a resurgent Swindon Town FC. stfc_user
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9:01am Fri 22 Feb 13

billbst says...

Another view wrote:
I don't think many of us should be too surprised at Andrew Black's version. Apart from the attempted sale in 2011 it all sounds true to form.

Clearly AB and PDC did wonders for this club. Just a pity they were miles apart from day one, and the people in the middle were the decision makers day to day, with financial pressures on one side, and Paolo's demands on the other.

Thank you once again to Andrew Black and the others who put their own money into this club for whatever motive.
Agree with you. The gulf between Mr Black and Paolo seems to have been a root cause of the problems. It seems to have handed far too much influence to an agent which just served to widen the gap between owner and manager. The finances might be complicated but the failure isn't - no real communication.
[quote][p][bold]Another view[/bold] wrote: I don't think many of us should be too surprised at Andrew Black's version. Apart from the attempted sale in 2011 it all sounds true to form. Clearly AB and PDC did wonders for this club. Just a pity they were miles apart from day one, and the people in the middle were the decision makers day to day, with financial pressures on one side, and Paolo's demands on the other. Thank you once again to Andrew Black and the others who put their own money into this club for whatever motive.[/p][/quote]Agree with you. The gulf between Mr Black and Paolo seems to have been a root cause of the problems. It seems to have handed far too much influence to an agent which just served to widen the gap between owner and manager. The finances might be complicated but the failure isn't - no real communication. billbst
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9:02am Fri 22 Feb 13

Sparticus says...

Gosh, what with the alleged dead-of-night 'break-in' at the County Ground I hope that Mr Black didn't wake this morning to find a horse's head in his bed!
Gosh, what with the alleged dead-of-night 'break-in' at the County Ground I hope that Mr Black didn't wake this morning to find a horse's head in his bed! Sparticus
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9:04am Fri 22 Feb 13

old town robin says...

This is better than an episode of Dallas with Patey playing the role of JR.

Seriously I think this is going to roll on in the media for a while. We've now heard Andrew Blacks version of events, Paolo will come back in response to words spoken by patey, Fitton and Wray are presently staying schtum, Jethro hasn't really said anything yet and we still have the prospect of a new manager to come in who has to pick up the pieces and somehow get us over the line.

I only got 7-1 at the start of the season for us to get promoted, Can anyone say what the odds are now we are top of the league. IMHO it's going to be a miracle to overcome all this disruption and adversity and still win the league, a very tough ask with such a small squad.

Of course as with all fans I hope that we can still do it, next two games without a manager will be crucial and with only the players we have to see it through I really wish them the best of luck and give it their best shot.

As a last comment I think it could be a long time before Paolo gets another opportunity, shame really, did a good job, but not too many clubs out there that would be prepared to take the chance we did. As so many have said before me, it would all end in tears and i guess it has.
This is better than an episode of Dallas with Patey playing the role of JR. Seriously I think this is going to roll on in the media for a while. We've now heard Andrew Blacks version of events, Paolo will come back in response to words spoken by patey, Fitton and Wray are presently staying schtum, Jethro hasn't really said anything yet and we still have the prospect of a new manager to come in who has to pick up the pieces and somehow get us over the line. I only got 7-1 at the start of the season for us to get promoted, Can anyone say what the odds are now we are top of the league. IMHO it's going to be a miracle to overcome all this disruption and adversity and still win the league, a very tough ask with such a small squad. Of course as with all fans I hope that we can still do it, next two games without a manager will be crucial and with only the players we have to see it through I really wish them the best of luck and give it their best shot. As a last comment I think it could be a long time before Paolo gets another opportunity, shame really, did a good job, but not too many clubs out there that would be prepared to take the chance we did. As so many have said before me, it would all end in tears and i guess it has. old town robin
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9:05am Fri 22 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

Maybe now people will start to understand what was really happening at our club, behind the scenes it must have been a nightmare.

Great credit needs to go to AB and Patey, otherwise one can only dread what state this club would be in.

Bye Bye PdC, nice memories but at too high a cost.

Lets fill the ground tomorrow and maybe chant AB's name and all stand up!
Maybe now people will start to understand what was really happening at our club, behind the scenes it must have been a nightmare. Great credit needs to go to AB and Patey, otherwise one can only dread what state this club would be in. Bye Bye PdC, nice memories but at too high a cost. Lets fill the ground tomorrow and maybe chant AB's name and all stand up! Davidsyrett
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9:05am Fri 22 Feb 13

LydiardRED67 says...

Its a shame really as our recent success has required the input of both parties, AB and PDC.

Its just a shame PDC never recognised this.

I wish him no ill will going forward and should he learn from this it will only make him a better manager.

AB version of events will certainly dampen any constructive dismissal claims.
Its a shame really as our recent success has required the input of both parties, AB and PDC. Its just a shame PDC never recognised this. I wish him no ill will going forward and should he learn from this it will only make him a better manager. AB version of events will certainly dampen any constructive dismissal claims. LydiardRED67
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9:06am Fri 22 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

louiscassius wrote:
Sky Bet has Di Canio at 11/4 but dont bet on him coming back !! Jed said he'd rang Spencer last night......didnt say what for..... I just wonder........ Louis :-))))
He wanted the keys back lol
Onwards and upwards
[quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: Sky Bet has Di Canio at 11/4 but dont bet on him coming back !! Jed said he'd rang Spencer last night......didnt say what for..... I just wonder........ Louis :-))))[/p][/quote]He wanted the keys back lol Onwards and upwards smirg kcab
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9:07am Fri 22 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

Interestingly we all thought JW was STFC fan, but he was West Ham through and through! couldn't make it up!
Interestingly we all thought JW was STFC fan, but he was West Ham through and through! couldn't make it up! Davidsyrett
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9:09am Fri 22 Feb 13

sagadude says...

1. Mr Black saved us from going under.

2. PDC and Wray went on a "living above their means on a 8,000 crowd" spending spree.

3. Hopefully the new board will be more cautious.

4. Hopefully the new board will choose the right manager.

5. Even though the present players are well up for it, we will need another two or three players to get promotion. They will get tired under top position pressure.

6. Will Luke Rooney feature in the next three lineups?.

7. PDC and the italian mob will no doubt move on to better things, but he will be still the same guy engrossed in controversy and dugout kicking etc.

8. Oxford still have only three sides to their ground.
1. Mr Black saved us from going under. 2. PDC and Wray went on a "living above their means on a 8,000 crowd" spending spree. 3. Hopefully the new board will be more cautious. 4. Hopefully the new board will choose the right manager. 5. Even though the present players are well up for it, we will need another two or three players to get promotion. They will get tired under top position pressure. 6. Will Luke Rooney feature in the next three lineups?. 7. PDC and the italian mob will no doubt move on to better things, but he will be still the same guy engrossed in controversy and dugout kicking etc. 8. Oxford still have only three sides to their ground. sagadude
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9:21am Fri 22 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

old town robin wrote:
This is better than an episode of Dallas with Patey playing the role of JR. Seriously I think this is going to roll on in the media for a while. We've now heard Andrew Blacks version of events, Paolo will come back in response to words spoken by patey, Fitton and Wray are presently staying schtum, Jethro hasn't really said anything yet and we still have the prospect of a new manager to come in who has to pick up the pieces and somehow get us over the line. I only got 7-1 at the start of the season for us to get promoted, Can anyone say what the odds are now we are top of the league. IMHO it's going to be a miracle to overcome all this disruption and adversity and still win the league, a very tough ask with such a small squad. Of course as with all fans I hope that we can still do it, next two games without a manager will be crucial and with only the players we have to see it through I really wish them the best of luck and give it their best shot. As a last comment I think it could be a long time before Paolo gets another opportunity, shame really, did a good job, but not too many clubs out there that would be prepared to take the chance we did. As so many have said before me, it would all end in tears and i guess it has.
7/2 outright and 11/10 for promo
Both sky bet
Not bad 7/2 not checked others tho
Onwards and upwards
Or bang £50 on them at 7/2 and they give you a free £50 bet so 7/1 if you look at it they way and go down that route as I did, just by opening an online account
Onwards and upwards
Breaking news CHUBB is in talks to sponsor us,
Fire, doors and security.

See all the ayers in the harvester last night, wardy was serving lettuce leaves served with a fresh air filling
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: This is better than an episode of Dallas with Patey playing the role of JR. Seriously I think this is going to roll on in the media for a while. We've now heard Andrew Blacks version of events, Paolo will come back in response to words spoken by patey, Fitton and Wray are presently staying schtum, Jethro hasn't really said anything yet and we still have the prospect of a new manager to come in who has to pick up the pieces and somehow get us over the line. I only got 7-1 at the start of the season for us to get promoted, Can anyone say what the odds are now we are top of the league. IMHO it's going to be a miracle to overcome all this disruption and adversity and still win the league, a very tough ask with such a small squad. Of course as with all fans I hope that we can still do it, next two games without a manager will be crucial and with only the players we have to see it through I really wish them the best of luck and give it their best shot. As a last comment I think it could be a long time before Paolo gets another opportunity, shame really, did a good job, but not too many clubs out there that would be prepared to take the chance we did. As so many have said before me, it would all end in tears and i guess it has.[/p][/quote]7/2 outright and 11/10 for promo Both sky bet Not bad 7/2 not checked others tho Onwards and upwards Or bang £50 on them at 7/2 and they give you a free £50 bet so 7/1 if you look at it they way and go down that route as I did, just by opening an online account Onwards and upwards Breaking news CHUBB is in talks to sponsor us, Fire, doors and security. See all the ayers in the harvester last night, wardy was serving lettuce leaves served with a fresh air filling smirg kcab
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9:23am Fri 22 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

smirg kcab wrote:
old town robin wrote: This is better than an episode of Dallas with Patey playing the role of JR. Seriously I think this is going to roll on in the media for a while. We've now heard Andrew Blacks version of events, Paolo will come back in response to words spoken by patey, Fitton and Wray are presently staying schtum, Jethro hasn't really said anything yet and we still have the prospect of a new manager to come in who has to pick up the pieces and somehow get us over the line. I only got 7-1 at the start of the season for us to get promoted, Can anyone say what the odds are now we are top of the league. IMHO it's going to be a miracle to overcome all this disruption and adversity and still win the league, a very tough ask with such a small squad. Of course as with all fans I hope that we can still do it, next two games without a manager will be crucial and with only the players we have to see it through I really wish them the best of luck and give it their best shot. As a last comment I think it could be a long time before Paolo gets another opportunity, shame really, did a good job, but not too many clubs out there that would be prepared to take the chance we did. As so many have said before me, it would all end in tears and i guess it has.
7/2 outright and 11/10 for promo Both sky bet Not bad 7/2 not checked others tho Onwards and upwards Or bang £50 on them at 7/2 and they give you a free £50 bet so 7/1 if you look at it they way and go down that route as I did, just by opening an online account Onwards and upwards Breaking news CHUBB is in talks to sponsor us, Fire, doors and security. See all the ayers in the harvester last night, wardy was serving lettuce leaves served with a fresh air filling
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[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: This is better than an episode of Dallas with Patey playing the role of JR. Seriously I think this is going to roll on in the media for a while. We've now heard Andrew Blacks version of events, Paolo will come back in response to words spoken by patey, Fitton and Wray are presently staying schtum, Jethro hasn't really said anything yet and we still have the prospect of a new manager to come in who has to pick up the pieces and somehow get us over the line. I only got 7-1 at the start of the season for us to get promoted, Can anyone say what the odds are now we are top of the league. IMHO it's going to be a miracle to overcome all this disruption and adversity and still win the league, a very tough ask with such a small squad. Of course as with all fans I hope that we can still do it, next two games without a manager will be crucial and with only the players we have to see it through I really wish them the best of luck and give it their best shot. As a last comment I think it could be a long time before Paolo gets another opportunity, shame really, did a good job, but not too many clubs out there that would be prepared to take the chance we did. As so many have said before me, it would all end in tears and i guess it has.[/p][/quote]7/2 outright and 11/10 for promo Both sky bet Not bad 7/2 not checked others tho Onwards and upwards Or bang £50 on them at 7/2 and they give you a free £50 bet so 7/1 if you look at it they way and go down that route as I did, just by opening an online account Onwards and upwards Breaking news CHUBB is in talks to sponsor us, Fire, doors and security. See all the ayers in the harvester last night, wardy was serving lettuce leaves served with a fresh air filling[/p][/quote]Players smirg kcab
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9:26am Fri 22 Feb 13

madterrier says...

A few of us feel vindicated for previously urging perspective over what Andrew Black has done for this club. It's good that fans can now see his side of events.

He wasn't even a football fan, yet he ploughed in millions of his own money, wrote off all the debts at the beginning and at the end, gave the club away for free, and left it sitting at the top of League One.

That's a legacy alright.

A few things remain unclear though. Why did he get involved in the first place? Why was he so hands off when so much of his money was at stake? Why did he feel he had 'no option' but to accept the terms of Di Canio's/Spencer's contracts? And why so vague about the three-year plan when Paolo always cited it as gospel?

Go on Adver- go after these answers. It could only do Andrew Black's standing further good.

And while you're at it, ask the new owners what their financial plans are. If they have got the club for the price of most things in Poundland, have they the funds to maintain our budgeted annual losses to get into the Championship, this year or next? Or should we expect divestment of playing assets to balance the books. What are THEY bringing to the party?
A few of us feel vindicated for previously urging perspective over what Andrew Black has done for this club. It's good that fans can now see his side of events. He wasn't even a football fan, yet he ploughed in millions of his own money, wrote off all the debts at the beginning and at the end, gave the club away for free, and left it sitting at the top of League One. That's a legacy alright. A few things remain unclear though. Why did he get involved in the first place? Why was he so hands off when so much of his money was at stake? Why did he feel he had 'no option' but to accept the terms of Di Canio's/Spencer's contracts? And why so vague about the three-year plan when Paolo always cited it as gospel? Go on Adver- go after these answers. It could only do Andrew Black's standing further good. And while you're at it, ask the new owners what their financial plans are. If they have got the club for the price of most things in Poundland, have they the funds to maintain our budgeted annual losses to get into the Championship, this year or next? Or should we expect divestment of playing assets to balance the books. What are THEY bringing to the party? madterrier
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9:29am Fri 22 Feb 13

EastoeSTFC says...

Thanks for the transparency and sharing the real truth.
You saved our club and for that we are grateful.
Now lets get David Kerslake onboard - Assistant Manager at top of the table Championship Cardiff City - David Kerslake is my choice for the taking STFC up!
Thanks for the transparency and sharing the real truth. You saved our club and for that we are grateful. Now lets get David Kerslake onboard - Assistant Manager at top of the table Championship Cardiff City - David Kerslake is my choice for the taking STFC up! EastoeSTFC
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9:30am Fri 22 Feb 13

Rebel_phish says...

Rondogers wrote:
Just out of interest did PDC ever get that Swindon tattoo?
Not that I know of.

If he did, do you really think Paolo would have kepk it under raps.

We would have had a press conference and all the media razzmatazz.

He would also be looking in the ads for a tattoo removal service by now.

Having said that, in his heart Paolo can hold his head up high at what he has achieved here at Swindon. And I'm sure he will, in time, be greatful to the chance he was given by Black and co to kick-start his magagerial career.
[quote][p][bold]Rondogers[/bold] wrote: Just out of interest did PDC ever get that Swindon tattoo?[/p][/quote]Not that I know of. If he did, do you really think Paolo would have kepk it under raps. We would have had a press conference and all the media razzmatazz. He would also be looking in the ads for a tattoo removal service by now. Having said that, in his heart Paolo can hold his head up high at what he has achieved here at Swindon. And I'm sure he will, in time, be greatful to the chance he was given by Black and co to kick-start his magagerial career. Rebel_phish
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9:30am Fri 22 Feb 13

stfclondon says...

BorisIsTheSpider wrote:
At the risk of being hanged as a heretic, part of the problem seems to be down to weak management by Jeremy Wray. Which is why AB replaced him, it seems. And when someone becomes indispensable in an organisation strong management gets rid. On that basis the new consortium seems to have started off on a good footing. Loved the pdc era, but back to reality folks. As for swp's parting shot - a tad unnecessary, but pdc took the bait and has probably ruled himself out of any worthwhile job now.
There is probably some truth in that. Jeremy Wray was very popular the fanbase, but was he too much of a fan and not enough of a chairman?
[quote][p][bold]BorisIsTheSpider[/bold] wrote: At the risk of being hanged as a heretic, part of the problem seems to be down to weak management by Jeremy Wray. Which is why AB replaced him, it seems. And when someone becomes indispensable in an organisation strong management gets rid. On that basis the new consortium seems to have started off on a good footing. Loved the pdc era, but back to reality folks. As for swp's parting shot - a tad unnecessary, but pdc took the bait and has probably ruled himself out of any worthwhile job now.[/p][/quote]There is probably some truth in that. Jeremy Wray was very popular the fanbase, but was he too much of a fan and not enough of a chairman? stfclondon
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9:36am Fri 22 Feb 13

Rondogers says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
Rondogers wrote: Just out of interest did PDC ever get that Swindon tattoo?
Not that I know of. If he did, do you really think Paolo would have kepk it under raps. We would have had a press conference and all the media razzmatazz. He would also be looking in the ads for a tattoo removal service by now. Having said that, in his heart Paolo can hold his head up high at what he has achieved here at Swindon. And I'm sure he will, in time, be greatful to the chance he was given by Black and co to kick-start his magagerial career.
Yeah I think you're right!

From what Black was saying I think it's more likely that Wray got a tattoo of Paolo's name on him, maybe with a heart and arrow going throw it?! lol

COYR
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rondogers[/bold] wrote: Just out of interest did PDC ever get that Swindon tattoo?[/p][/quote]Not that I know of. If he did, do you really think Paolo would have kepk it under raps. We would have had a press conference and all the media razzmatazz. He would also be looking in the ads for a tattoo removal service by now. Having said that, in his heart Paolo can hold his head up high at what he has achieved here at Swindon. And I'm sure he will, in time, be greatful to the chance he was given by Black and co to kick-start his magagerial career.[/p][/quote]Yeah I think you're right! From what Black was saying I think it's more likely that Wray got a tattoo of Paolo's name on him, maybe with a heart and arrow going throw it?! lol COYR Rondogers
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9:36am Fri 22 Feb 13

stfclondon says...

Rondogers wrote:
Just out of interest did PDC ever get that Swindon tattoo?
I doubt it very much. He is a master at playing to the gallery, which is why he's so popular with the fans wherever he goes, but I would be very surprised if he actually followed it through.

Same goes for his offer to pay for loan players etc. It's all designed to get the fans onside, and it works.
[quote][p][bold]Rondogers[/bold] wrote: Just out of interest did PDC ever get that Swindon tattoo?[/p][/quote]I doubt it very much. He is a master at playing to the gallery, which is why he's so popular with the fans wherever he goes, but I would be very surprised if he actually followed it through. Same goes for his offer to pay for loan players etc. It's all designed to get the fans onside, and it works. stfclondon
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9:36am Fri 22 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

Like Rooney back training with first team and is available for selection against Preston
Onwards and upwards
Like Rooney back training with first team and is available for selection against Preston Onwards and upwards smirg kcab
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9:37am Fri 22 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Like Rooney back training with first team and is available for selection against Preston Onwards and upwards
And Luke is also lol
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Like Rooney back training with first team and is available for selection against Preston Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]And Luke is also lol smirg kcab
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9:39am Fri 22 Feb 13

TerryHubbard says...

What are peoples thoughts on Alan Curbishley coming in as new Town Manager not a name mentioned.
What are peoples thoughts on Alan Curbishley coming in as new Town Manager not a name mentioned. TerryHubbard
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9:39am Fri 22 Feb 13

hertz says...

Just like the roller coaster I enjoyed some of the ride but not all of it , I really had to work hard to get my bro in law to renew his ticket he just could'nt stand watching PDC sideline antics , as one poster mentioned yes he shovelled snow , bought Pizza even offered to put some of his money "back "into the club . But Paolo isn't the finished article as Mr B points out he isn't capable of managing upward , when I lived over there the saying was "there is no authority higher than me myself" unfortunately I don't think that part of him will ever change .
on WARDs and up WARDs and TOMMY too . COYR
Just like the roller coaster I enjoyed some of the ride but not all of it , I really had to work hard to get my bro in law to renew his ticket he just could'nt stand watching PDC sideline antics , as one poster mentioned yes he shovelled snow , bought Pizza even offered to put some of his money "back "into the club . But Paolo isn't the finished article as Mr B points out he isn't capable of managing upward , when I lived over there the saying was "there is no authority higher than me myself" unfortunately I don't think that part of him will ever change . on WARDs and up WARDs and TOMMY too . COYR hertz
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9:41am Fri 22 Feb 13

the don69 says...

I was reading all this on twitter late last night!it's like bloody eastenders and there's a lot more to come!oh for a nice quiet time at the dear old county ground!!!!!!!!
I was reading all this on twitter late last night!it's like bloody eastenders and there's a lot more to come!oh for a nice quiet time at the dear old county ground!!!!!!!! the don69
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9:47am Fri 22 Feb 13

the wizard says...

If there is a lesson to be learned through all of this it is surely that the Chairmans post is full time and he needs to be at the ground full time to keep tabs on what is occurring there. Its all about control, and it seems to me that PDC has to be in total control of all things around him, which includes the clubs directors and owners, instead of just focusing on team matters.
Sadly it seems Wray was all too easily led and pressured into signing cheques. This is something which drastically needs keeping within boundaries of agreed budgets etc. Seems we are very fortunate to still have a club to support.
If there is a lesson to be learned through all of this it is surely that the Chairmans post is full time and he needs to be at the ground full time to keep tabs on what is occurring there. Its all about control, and it seems to me that PDC has to be in total control of all things around him, which includes the clubs directors and owners, instead of just focusing on team matters. Sadly it seems Wray was all too easily led and pressured into signing cheques. This is something which drastically needs keeping within boundaries of agreed budgets etc. Seems we are very fortunate to still have a club to support. the wizard
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9:48am Fri 22 Feb 13

stfclondon says...

TerryHubbard wrote:
What are peoples thoughts on Alan Curbishley coming in as new Town Manager not a name mentioned.
I saw a few West Ham games when he was in charge, and the football wasn't great. Their fans weren't impessed with his negative style. He's also been out of work for a long time.
[quote][p][bold]TerryHubbard[/bold] wrote: What are peoples thoughts on Alan Curbishley coming in as new Town Manager not a name mentioned.[/p][/quote]I saw a few West Ham games when he was in charge, and the football wasn't great. Their fans weren't impessed with his negative style. He's also been out of work for a long time. stfclondon
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9:48am Fri 22 Feb 13

Rondogers says...

stfclondon wrote:
Rondogers wrote: Just out of interest did PDC ever get that Swindon tattoo?
I doubt it very much. He is a master at playing to the gallery, which is why he's so popular with the fans wherever he goes, but I would be very surprised if he actually followed it through. Same goes for his offer to pay for loan players etc. It's all designed to get the fans onside, and it works.
Yeah I never believed for one second he would pay for loan players, he was just putting pressure on the board and making himself look like a saint to the fans.

Saying that though I'm not going to start slagging off PDC, he did a great job here but he lets be honest all managers/players that come here are not STFC fans, they are here to earn a living and up their stock to move on.

I think as fans we forget that, then get annoyed when they walk away as we can't get our heads around the fact they don't love the club like we do.

In the ideal world the club would be run by the fans, but don't think there are many millionaire STFC fans out there??

Might be worth us all digging up our back gardens looking for oil?...now there is an idea! : )
[quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rondogers[/bold] wrote: Just out of interest did PDC ever get that Swindon tattoo?[/p][/quote]I doubt it very much. He is a master at playing to the gallery, which is why he's so popular with the fans wherever he goes, but I would be very surprised if he actually followed it through. Same goes for his offer to pay for loan players etc. It's all designed to get the fans onside, and it works.[/p][/quote]Yeah I never believed for one second he would pay for loan players, he was just putting pressure on the board and making himself look like a saint to the fans. Saying that though I'm not going to start slagging off PDC, he did a great job here but he lets be honest all managers/players that come here are not STFC fans, they are here to earn a living and up their stock to move on. I think as fans we forget that, then get annoyed when they walk away as we can't get our heads around the fact they don't love the club like we do. In the ideal world the club would be run by the fans, but don't think there are many millionaire STFC fans out there?? Might be worth us all digging up our back gardens looking for oil?...now there is an idea! : ) Rondogers
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9:53am Fri 22 Feb 13

stfclondon says...

Rondogers wrote:
stfclondon wrote:
Rondogers wrote: Just out of interest did PDC ever get that Swindon tattoo?
I doubt it very much. He is a master at playing to the gallery, which is why he's so popular with the fans wherever he goes, but I would be very surprised if he actually followed it through. Same goes for his offer to pay for loan players etc. It's all designed to get the fans onside, and it works.
Yeah I never believed for one second he would pay for loan players, he was just putting pressure on the board and making himself look like a saint to the fans. Saying that though I'm not going to start slagging off PDC, he did a great job here but he lets be honest all managers/players that come here are not STFC fans, they are here to earn a living and up their stock to move on. I think as fans we forget that, then get annoyed when they walk away as we can't get our heads around the fact they don't love the club like we do. In the ideal world the club would be run by the fans, but don't think there are many millionaire STFC fans out there?? Might be worth us all digging up our back gardens looking for oil?...now there is an idea! : )
Exactly right - we expect players, managers and board members to act like fans when they're not.
[quote][p][bold]Rondogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rondogers[/bold] wrote: Just out of interest did PDC ever get that Swindon tattoo?[/p][/quote]I doubt it very much. He is a master at playing to the gallery, which is why he's so popular with the fans wherever he goes, but I would be very surprised if he actually followed it through. Same goes for his offer to pay for loan players etc. It's all designed to get the fans onside, and it works.[/p][/quote]Yeah I never believed for one second he would pay for loan players, he was just putting pressure on the board and making himself look like a saint to the fans. Saying that though I'm not going to start slagging off PDC, he did a great job here but he lets be honest all managers/players that come here are not STFC fans, they are here to earn a living and up their stock to move on. I think as fans we forget that, then get annoyed when they walk away as we can't get our heads around the fact they don't love the club like we do. In the ideal world the club would be run by the fans, but don't think there are many millionaire STFC fans out there?? Might be worth us all digging up our back gardens looking for oil?...now there is an idea! : )[/p][/quote]Exactly right - we expect players, managers and board members to act like fans when they're not. stfclondon
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10:00am Fri 22 Feb 13

Kingseleven says...

Wow, what a read. So reading between the lines the board were always disagreeing with each other and PDC was only here because JW was a huge West Ham fan.

I don't know what to make of it really. It's been an awesome ride and were in probably our best position since the hazy days of the premiership.

Firstly thanks to Andrew Black for your honesty, money and perseverance. You undoubtedly saved our club at a crucial stage and put us on a good platform to go upwards.

Secondly thanks to PDC for where we are and what you have done. Amazing manager but it would appear that you are far too big for our club and we simply can not provide you with the millions you need. You will always be remembered for your passion and your temperament but it was good whilst it lasted.

Thirdly thanks to Jed and the new board. Welcome to STFC and let's get it done.

But the most important thanks go to the fans and the squad....who have cheered and played through thick and thin to get us where we are.....long may it continue and the only way is up.

Sneaky little thanks to the adver and SM for putting in the overtime...haha

What now ?

Lets start the new era with 3 points on Saturday. Rooney is back ( good ) caddis should be brought back IMO and re-instated as captain ( Alan Mac has done a great job though ) And as for manager......my head says someone like Adkins, Hughes or Curbishley but my heart says someone like Fjortoft, Calderwood or Malpas !!! ( clearly joking about MM...haha )

Bums on seats come Saturday COYR
Wow, what a read. So reading between the lines the board were always disagreeing with each other and PDC was only here because JW was a huge West Ham fan. I don't know what to make of it really. It's been an awesome ride and were in probably our best position since the hazy days of the premiership. Firstly thanks to Andrew Black for your honesty, money and perseverance. You undoubtedly saved our club at a crucial stage and put us on a good platform to go upwards. Secondly thanks to PDC for where we are and what you have done. Amazing manager but it would appear that you are far too big for our club and we simply can not provide you with the millions you need. You will always be remembered for your passion and your temperament but it was good whilst it lasted. Thirdly thanks to Jed and the new board. Welcome to STFC and let's get it done. But the most important thanks go to the fans and the squad....who have cheered and played through thick and thin to get us where we are.....long may it continue and the only way is up. Sneaky little thanks to the adver and SM for putting in the overtime...haha What now ? Lets start the new era with 3 points on Saturday. Rooney is back ( good ) caddis should be brought back IMO and re-instated as captain ( Alan Mac has done a great job though ) And as for manager......my head says someone like Adkins, Hughes or Curbishley but my heart says someone like Fjortoft, Calderwood or Malpas !!! ( clearly joking about MM...haha ) Bums on seats come Saturday COYR Kingseleven
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10:01am Fri 22 Feb 13

Kingseleven says...

Wow, what a read. So reading between the lines the board were always disagreeing with each other and PDC was only here because JW was a huge West Ham fan.

I don't know what to make of it really. It's been an awesome ride and were in probably our best position since the hazy days of the premiership.

Firstly thanks to Andrew Black for your honesty, money and perseverance. You undoubtedly saved our club at a crucial stage and put us on a good platform to go upwards.

Secondly thanks to PDC for where we are and what you have done. Amazing manager but it would appear that you are far too big for our club and we simply can not provide you with the millions you need. You will always be remembered for your passion and your temperament but it was good whilst it lasted.

Thirdly thanks to Jed and the new board. Welcome to STFC and let's get it done.

But the most important thanks go to the fans and the squad....who have cheered and played through thick and thin to get us where we are.....long may it continue and the only way is up.

Sneaky little thanks to the adver and SM for putting in the overtime...haha

What now ?

Lets start the new era with 3 points on Saturday. Rooney is back ( good ) caddis should be brought back IMO and re-instated as captain ( Alan Mac has done a great job though ) And as for manager......my head says someone like Adkins, Hughes or Curbishley but my heart says someone like Fjortoft, Calderwood or Malpas !!! ( clearly joking about MM...haha )

Bums on seats come Saturday COYR
Wow, what a read. So reading between the lines the board were always disagreeing with each other and PDC was only here because JW was a huge West Ham fan. I don't know what to make of it really. It's been an awesome ride and were in probably our best position since the hazy days of the premiership. Firstly thanks to Andrew Black for your honesty, money and perseverance. You undoubtedly saved our club at a crucial stage and put us on a good platform to go upwards. Secondly thanks to PDC for where we are and what you have done. Amazing manager but it would appear that you are far too big for our club and we simply can not provide you with the millions you need. You will always be remembered for your passion and your temperament but it was good whilst it lasted. Thirdly thanks to Jed and the new board. Welcome to STFC and let's get it done. But the most important thanks go to the fans and the squad....who have cheered and played through thick and thin to get us where we are.....long may it continue and the only way is up. Sneaky little thanks to the adver and SM for putting in the overtime...haha What now ? Lets start the new era with 3 points on Saturday. Rooney is back ( good ) caddis should be brought back IMO and re-instated as captain ( Alan Mac has done a great job though ) And as for manager......my head says someone like Adkins, Hughes or Curbishley but my heart says someone like Fjortoft, Calderwood or Malpas !!! ( clearly joking about MM...haha ) Bums on seats come Saturday COYR Kingseleven
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10:01am Fri 22 Feb 13

Kingseleven says...

Oops my finger has had too much caffeine !
Oops my finger has had too much caffeine ! Kingseleven
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10:03am Fri 22 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

the don69 wrote:
I was reading all this on twitter late last night!it's like bloody eastenders and there's a lot more to come!oh for a nice quiet time at the dear old county ground!!!!!!!!
RICKY
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: I was reading all this on twitter late last night!it's like bloody eastenders and there's a lot more to come!oh for a nice quiet time at the dear old county ground!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]RICKY smirg kcab
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10:06am Fri 22 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

the wizard wrote:
If there is a lesson to be learned through all of this it is surely that the Chairmans post is full time and he needs to be at the ground full time to keep tabs on what is occurring there. Its all about control, and it seems to me that PDC has to be in total control of all things around him, which includes the clubs directors and owners, instead of just focusing on team matters. Sadly it seems Wray was all too easily led and pressured into signing cheques. This is something which drastically needs keeping within boundaries of agreed budgets etc. Seems we are very fortunate to still have a club to support.
Agree with that Wiz.

Several things about Andrew Blacks tweets indicate fundamental mismanagement. Eye off the ball, Directors not directing and tail wagging dog.

Andrew Black applied the brakes to late and to hard. That started the skid that became the car crash.

That having been said. I will always be grateful for Andrew and all the consortium for saving our club.

It is just a **** shame that things concluded the way they did.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: If there is a lesson to be learned through all of this it is surely that the Chairmans post is full time and he needs to be at the ground full time to keep tabs on what is occurring there. Its all about control, and it seems to me that PDC has to be in total control of all things around him, which includes the clubs directors and owners, instead of just focusing on team matters. Sadly it seems Wray was all too easily led and pressured into signing cheques. This is something which drastically needs keeping within boundaries of agreed budgets etc. Seems we are very fortunate to still have a club to support.[/p][/quote]Agree with that Wiz. Several things about Andrew Blacks tweets indicate fundamental mismanagement. Eye off the ball, Directors not directing and tail wagging dog. Andrew Black applied the brakes to late and to hard. That started the skid that became the car crash. That having been said. I will always be grateful for Andrew and all the consortium for saving our club. It is just a **** shame that things concluded the way they did. Since 1950
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10:06am Fri 22 Feb 13

the don69 says...

the wizard wrote:
If there is a lesson to be learned through all of this it is surely that the Chairmans post is full time and he needs to be at the ground full time to keep tabs on what is occurring there. Its all about control, and it seems to me that PDC has to be in total control of all things around him, which includes the clubs directors and owners, instead of just focusing on team matters.
Sadly it seems Wray was all too easily led and pressured into signing cheques. This is something which drastically needs keeping within boundaries of agreed budgets etc. Seems we are very fortunate to still have a club to support.
Spot on Wiz,the Chairman should be totally in control,no manager should dictate,the chairman should make all money decisions,seems to me things were very poorly managed from Black to Wray to Fitton to Wilson to Malpas,all Paolo cared about was winning football matches!when he was losing he wanted Wonga for new players,loans to start winning again,that is where the chairman failed by losing control of the finances and Black never had his hand on his wallet until he said enough is enough, so he only got himself to blame!but fair enough he done HIS dosh,lets hope Jed and his gang know how to run our great club or this will happen all over again!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: If there is a lesson to be learned through all of this it is surely that the Chairmans post is full time and he needs to be at the ground full time to keep tabs on what is occurring there. Its all about control, and it seems to me that PDC has to be in total control of all things around him, which includes the clubs directors and owners, instead of just focusing on team matters. Sadly it seems Wray was all too easily led and pressured into signing cheques. This is something which drastically needs keeping within boundaries of agreed budgets etc. Seems we are very fortunate to still have a club to support.[/p][/quote]Spot on Wiz,the Chairman should be totally in control,no manager should dictate,the chairman should make all money decisions,seems to me things were very poorly managed from Black to Wray to Fitton to Wilson to Malpas,all Paolo cared about was winning football matches!when he was losing he wanted Wonga for new players,loans to start winning again,that is where the chairman failed by losing control of the finances and Black never had his hand on his wallet until he said enough is enough, so he only got himself to blame!but fair enough he done HIS dosh,lets hope Jed and his gang know how to run our great club or this will happen all over again!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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10:07am Fri 22 Feb 13

Stratton Red says...

According to PDCs response to the Patey parting shot, the Board have not accepted his resignation... Door open???
*
I'm not happy with PDCs antics this last week or so and I think he's actually shot himself in the foot. That said I really hopes he comes back / stays and sees the job through, he deserves another league title and above all so do we!...
According to PDCs response to the Patey parting shot, the Board have not accepted his resignation... Door open??? * I'm not happy with PDCs antics this last week or so and I think he's actually shot himself in the foot. That said I really hopes he comes back / stays and sees the job through, he deserves another league title and above all so do we!... Stratton Red
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10:09am Fri 22 Feb 13

mustard red says...

Sorry if someone has already mentioned this...

Is there any truth in the club needing to change the locks at the County Ground after PDC stole into the manager’s office under darkness and caused damage by tearing down pictures of his successful reign?

Apparently he was caught on CCTV getting into the offices with one of his backroom team.

Incredible turn of events if true.
Sorry if someone has already mentioned this... Is there any truth in the club needing to change the locks at the County Ground after PDC stole into the manager’s office under darkness and caused damage by tearing down pictures of his successful reign? Apparently he was caught on CCTV getting into the offices with one of his backroom team. Incredible turn of events if true. mustard red
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10:16am Fri 22 Feb 13

the don69 says...

mustard red wrote:
Sorry if someone has already mentioned this...

Is there any truth in the club needing to change the locks at the County Ground after PDC stole into the manager’s office under darkness and caused damage by tearing down pictures of his successful reign?

Apparently he was caught on CCTV getting into the offices with one of his backroom team.

Incredible turn of events if true.
Yep afraid so! Paolo had a key so he never stole into his ex-office,he just took his stuff!!
[quote][p][bold]mustard red[/bold] wrote: Sorry if someone has already mentioned this... Is there any truth in the club needing to change the locks at the County Ground after PDC stole into the manager’s office under darkness and caused damage by tearing down pictures of his successful reign? Apparently he was caught on CCTV getting into the offices with one of his backroom team. Incredible turn of events if true.[/p][/quote]Yep afraid so! Paolo had a key so he never stole into his ex-office,he just took his stuff!! the don69
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10:25am Fri 22 Feb 13

Graham8181 says...

Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now

No matter how much this debate will
Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes
Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes Graham8181
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10:28am Fri 22 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

albatross wrote:
Firstly, many thanks to Andrew Black for saving the club. Still one thing I am not clear about from his statement is why the urgency to sell the club. Surely he could have waited til the end of the season. Given the position of the club in the league (i.e. a reasonable chance of promotion - which would have greatly increased the value of the club - or at least earning a fair amount of money from the play-offs) it would have been in all parties interest to have waited.

Secondly, Paulo resigning before speaking to the new owners not make much sense either. With only a couple of months of the season left what could he achieve anywhere else (if West Ham wanted him they could have waited til the end of the season so no panic there either). If we didn’t get promotion them he could cite the disruption from the sale of the club and not being able to sign players, and if he DID get us promoted then he could claim back to back promotion against the background of the adversity. The second promotion being a greater achievement as it was done in despite the problems at the club and against stronger opposition. It is a no lose situation for him. Also, by quitting he will also make it more difficult to tell his future players to tough it out when the going gets tough instead of walking away. To my mind it is clearly in our interests and his interests to manage us until the end of the season. I hope the new owners are straight on the phone to offer him the job on whatever terms he wants until the end of the season. With have a great chance to go up this season which might not come around again for a very long time. I think we need an experienced manager to get us over the winning line and then go from there (if Paulo can’t be persuaded to think again).
A number of posters have commented on how Di Canio achieved what he did with a big budget. I think it should be acknowledged that he generated a significant amount of funds himself from cup runs. Doesn’t anyone know roughly how much money we earned above budget for his cup runs this season and last? It must be in the millions and hence a very significant proportion of the overall original budget. Even if he had a much higher budget last season that League Two rivals he still must take credit for beating many teams from higher leagues with much bigger budgets than us.

Lastly, Andrew Black said Paulo couldn’t manage up. I think in football a successful manager is the rarest commodity and therefore it is up to the owners and the board to ensure that they keep such a manager happy and try to ensure that the quirks of that manager don’t become too big a problem.
We would not have earned anything like as much from the cup runs as you seem to think. "Millions" is way off the mark, I'm afraid.

Nick Owen was on TV at the weekend and said that Luton's FAC run would earn them about £500k. They had a live TV match as well although there ground holds less than the CG and probably has some standing (although I think it's got corporate boxes down one side).

AIUI you earn 40% of the gate money, home or away, and the other 20% goes into a pool which is shared out. Obviously there is prize money and TV money for live matches.

So if we got say 12000 vs Wigan or Villa @ £20 = £240k revenue. 40% of that is £96k. Our share from the earlier rounds would have been a lot less because either the attendance was lower or prices would have been reduced. The above also ignores kids paying £1 or whatever.

We'd only really have cashed in as you think we did if we'd drawn ManYoo or Arsenal and they'd sold out without having to drop the price to a tenner.

Ultimately while the cup runs were exciting for the fans probably didn't bring in much more than a couple of hundred grand in total.
[quote][p][bold]albatross[/bold] wrote: Firstly, many thanks to Andrew Black for saving the club. Still one thing I am not clear about from his statement is why the urgency to sell the club. Surely he could have waited til the end of the season. Given the position of the club in the league (i.e. a reasonable chance of promotion - which would have greatly increased the value of the club - or at least earning a fair amount of money from the play-offs) it would have been in all parties interest to have waited. Secondly, Paulo resigning before speaking to the new owners not make much sense either. With only a couple of months of the season left what could he achieve anywhere else (if West Ham wanted him they could have waited til the end of the season so no panic there either). If we didn’t get promotion them he could cite the disruption from the sale of the club and not being able to sign players, and if he DID get us promoted then he could claim back to back promotion against the background of the adversity. The second promotion being a greater achievement as it was done in despite the problems at the club and against stronger opposition. It is a no lose situation for him. Also, by quitting he will also make it more difficult to tell his future players to tough it out when the going gets tough instead of walking away. To my mind it is clearly in our interests and his interests to manage us until the end of the season. I hope the new owners are straight on the phone to offer him the job on whatever terms he wants until the end of the season. With have a great chance to go up this season which might not come around again for a very long time. I think we need an experienced manager to get us over the winning line and then go from there (if Paulo can’t be persuaded to think again). A number of posters have commented on how Di Canio achieved what he did with a big budget. I think it should be acknowledged that he generated a significant amount of funds himself from cup runs. Doesn’t anyone know roughly how much money we earned above budget for his cup runs this season and last? It must be in the millions and hence a very significant proportion of the overall original budget. Even if he had a much higher budget last season that League Two rivals he still must take credit for beating many teams from higher leagues with much bigger budgets than us. Lastly, Andrew Black said Paulo couldn’t manage up. I think in football a successful manager is the rarest commodity and therefore it is up to the owners and the board to ensure that they keep such a manager happy and try to ensure that the quirks of that manager don’t become too big a problem.[/p][/quote]We would not have earned anything like as much from the cup runs as you seem to think. "Millions" is way off the mark, I'm afraid. Nick Owen was on TV at the weekend and said that Luton's FAC run would earn them about £500k. They had a live TV match as well although there ground holds less than the CG and probably has some standing (although I think it's got corporate boxes down one side). AIUI you earn 40% of the gate money, home or away, and the other 20% goes into a pool which is shared out. Obviously there is prize money and TV money for live matches. So if we got say 12000 vs Wigan or Villa @ £20 = £240k revenue. 40% of that is £96k. Our share from the earlier rounds would have been a lot less because either the attendance was lower or prices would have been reduced. The above also ignores kids paying £1 or whatever. We'd only really have cashed in as you think we did if we'd drawn ManYoo or Arsenal and they'd sold out without having to drop the price to a tenner. Ultimately while the cup runs were exciting for the fans probably didn't bring in much more than a couple of hundred grand in total. Jeremy Hilary Boob
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10:31am Fri 22 Feb 13

FORZASTFC says...

C'mon everybody let's be honest?
We all loved PDC & as an fellow Italian, really sad to see him go!
But a BIG thank you to Andrew Black as he has had to cope with the "ego" of PDC (as i do know what temperaments these Italians have) lol.
Thanks Paolo you did a great job, but you must give even more thanks to Andrew as this guy has backed you with the CASH?
PDC i feel has let us all down a bit, we can draw a line under all this now, MOVE ON & get our moving in the right direction under new management?
COYRS
C'mon everybody let's be honest? We all loved PDC & as an fellow Italian, really sad to see him go! But a BIG thank you to Andrew Black as he has had to cope with the "ego" of PDC (as i do know what temperaments these Italians have) lol. Thanks Paolo you did a great job, but you must give even more thanks to Andrew as this guy has backed you with the CASH? PDC i feel has let us all down a bit, we can draw a line under all this now, MOVE ON & get our moving in the right direction under new management? COYRS FORZASTFC
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10:33am Fri 22 Feb 13

Wilesy says...

Since 1950 wrote:
the wizard wrote: If there is a lesson to be learned through all of this it is surely that the Chairmans post is full time and he needs to be at the ground full time to keep tabs on what is occurring there. Its all about control, and it seems to me that PDC has to be in total control of all things around him, which includes the clubs directors and owners, instead of just focusing on team matters. Sadly it seems Wray was all too easily led and pressured into signing cheques. This is something which drastically needs keeping within boundaries of agreed budgets etc. Seems we are very fortunate to still have a club to support.
Agree with that Wiz. Several things about Andrew Blacks tweets indicate fundamental mismanagement. Eye off the ball, Directors not directing and tail wagging dog. Andrew Black applied the brakes to late and to hard. That started the skid that became the car crash. That having been said. I will always be grateful for Andrew and all the consortium for saving our club. It is just a **** shame that things concluded the way they did.
Agree with that Wiz and 1950.

It's OK for Black to say Paolo can't manage upwards but he can only spend what he is given. Very grateful to Black of course but he hasn't managed downwards at all well from what he has said.

Communication is the key. Managing from distance doesn't usually work and it hasn't here.

The Caddis situation was handled appallingly, and the embargo situation was a farce. Bearing in mind Black's lack of faith in both manager and chairman from Day 1, these two episodes and the subsequent public criticism of the board show it's no surprise he's not giving them a glowing reference, but I'm very surprised Black remained hands off throughout.

If Mrs Black went to Harrod's every week and racked up debt on the old credit card, would he step in or just let it continue?

At the end of the day though he has financially made a great contribution to the club and despite throwing in the towel knowing the risk of a third administration, things seemed to have worked out OK now the dust is settling a bit.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: If there is a lesson to be learned through all of this it is surely that the Chairmans post is full time and he needs to be at the ground full time to keep tabs on what is occurring there. Its all about control, and it seems to me that PDC has to be in total control of all things around him, which includes the clubs directors and owners, instead of just focusing on team matters. Sadly it seems Wray was all too easily led and pressured into signing cheques. This is something which drastically needs keeping within boundaries of agreed budgets etc. Seems we are very fortunate to still have a club to support.[/p][/quote]Agree with that Wiz. Several things about Andrew Blacks tweets indicate fundamental mismanagement. Eye off the ball, Directors not directing and tail wagging dog. Andrew Black applied the brakes to late and to hard. That started the skid that became the car crash. That having been said. I will always be grateful for Andrew and all the consortium for saving our club. It is just a **** shame that things concluded the way they did.[/p][/quote]Agree with that Wiz and 1950. It's OK for Black to say Paolo can't manage upwards but he can only spend what he is given. Very grateful to Black of course but he hasn't managed downwards at all well from what he has said. Communication is the key. Managing from distance doesn't usually work and it hasn't here. The Caddis situation was handled appallingly, and the embargo situation was a farce. Bearing in mind Black's lack of faith in both manager and chairman from Day 1, these two episodes and the subsequent public criticism of the board show it's no surprise he's not giving them a glowing reference, but I'm very surprised Black remained hands off throughout. If Mrs Black went to Harrod's every week and racked up debt on the old credit card, would he step in or just let it continue? At the end of the day though he has financially made a great contribution to the club and despite throwing in the towel knowing the risk of a third administration, things seemed to have worked out OK now the dust is settling a bit. Wilesy
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10:45am Fri 22 Feb 13

BillyLucas4me says...

Take note that our 'wonderful' manager was very good at one thing. He had the dosh to employ three top liners as his backroom staff.
They were hardly prominent in the day to day but I feel that without them DiC's managerial experience at SFTC would have been very different.
Case of keeping your 'dogs' and doing the barking yourself!!
Take note that our 'wonderful' manager was very good at one thing. He had the dosh to employ three top liners as his backroom staff. They were hardly prominent in the day to day but I feel that without them DiC's managerial experience at SFTC would have been very different. Case of keeping your 'dogs' and doing the barking yourself!! BillyLucas4me
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10:46am Fri 22 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Wilesy wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
the wizard wrote: If there is a lesson to be learned through all of this it is surely that the Chairmans post is full time and he needs to be at the ground full time to keep tabs on what is occurring there. Its all about control, and it seems to me that PDC has to be in total control of all things around him, which includes the clubs directors and owners, instead of just focusing on team matters. Sadly it seems Wray was all too easily led and pressured into signing cheques. This is something which drastically needs keeping within boundaries of agreed budgets etc. Seems we are very fortunate to still have a club to support.
Agree with that Wiz. Several things about Andrew Blacks tweets indicate fundamental mismanagement. Eye off the ball, Directors not directing and tail wagging dog. Andrew Black applied the brakes to late and to hard. That started the skid that became the car crash. That having been said. I will always be grateful for Andrew and all the consortium for saving our club. It is just a **** shame that things concluded the way they did.
Agree with that Wiz and 1950.

It's OK for Black to say Paolo can't manage upwards but he can only spend what he is given. Very grateful to Black of course but he hasn't managed downwards at all well from what he has said.

Communication is the key. Managing from distance doesn't usually work and it hasn't here.

The Caddis situation was handled appallingly, and the embargo situation was a farce. Bearing in mind Black's lack of faith in both manager and chairman from Day 1, these two episodes and the subsequent public criticism of the board show it's no surprise he's not giving them a glowing reference, but I'm very surprised Black remained hands off throughout.

If Mrs Black went to Harrod's every week and racked up debt on the old credit card, would he step in or just let it continue?

At the end of the day though he has financially made a great contribution to the club and despite throwing in the towel knowing the risk of a third administration, things seemed to have worked out OK now the dust is settling a bit.
Yep Wilsey,you hit the nail on the head!Communication and Black ain't no good at it,hence the car crash!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: If there is a lesson to be learned through all of this it is surely that the Chairmans post is full time and he needs to be at the ground full time to keep tabs on what is occurring there. Its all about control, and it seems to me that PDC has to be in total control of all things around him, which includes the clubs directors and owners, instead of just focusing on team matters. Sadly it seems Wray was all too easily led and pressured into signing cheques. This is something which drastically needs keeping within boundaries of agreed budgets etc. Seems we are very fortunate to still have a club to support.[/p][/quote]Agree with that Wiz. Several things about Andrew Blacks tweets indicate fundamental mismanagement. Eye off the ball, Directors not directing and tail wagging dog. Andrew Black applied the brakes to late and to hard. That started the skid that became the car crash. That having been said. I will always be grateful for Andrew and all the consortium for saving our club. It is just a **** shame that things concluded the way they did.[/p][/quote]Agree with that Wiz and 1950. It's OK for Black to say Paolo can't manage upwards but he can only spend what he is given. Very grateful to Black of course but he hasn't managed downwards at all well from what he has said. Communication is the key. Managing from distance doesn't usually work and it hasn't here. The Caddis situation was handled appallingly, and the embargo situation was a farce. Bearing in mind Black's lack of faith in both manager and chairman from Day 1, these two episodes and the subsequent public criticism of the board show it's no surprise he's not giving them a glowing reference, but I'm very surprised Black remained hands off throughout. If Mrs Black went to Harrod's every week and racked up debt on the old credit card, would he step in or just let it continue? At the end of the day though he has financially made a great contribution to the club and despite throwing in the towel knowing the risk of a third administration, things seemed to have worked out OK now the dust is settling a bit.[/p][/quote]Yep Wilsey,you hit the nail on the head!Communication and Black ain't no good at it,hence the car crash!!!! the don69
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10:49am Fri 22 Feb 13

avo says...

Last step wrote:
As a couple of people have said- this is just AB's side of the story. People can decide to simply accept it as gospel if they want. I won't, there's clearly more to it, but I don't think dragging it out any longer and washing our dirty linen in public is at all good for the club, so I hope there isn't any comeback from Di Canio or Spencer and this draws a line under it and everyone can move on. Thanks for all you have done for the club, AB, but your exit strategy was awful and really messed things up. Town supporters are well within their rights to remember that in addition to remembering all he good you did.
Great post - I said as much on another thread, I really do not want to hear the other side of the story as I no longer wish the name of Swindon Town to be dragged through the gutter in the public domain.
.
Black has gone, Di canio has gone, have your war in private gentlemen and leave our club's name out of it.
[quote][p][bold]Last step[/bold] wrote: As a couple of people have said- this is just AB's side of the story. People can decide to simply accept it as gospel if they want. I won't, there's clearly more to it, but I don't think dragging it out any longer and washing our dirty linen in public is at all good for the club, so I hope there isn't any comeback from Di Canio or Spencer and this draws a line under it and everyone can move on. Thanks for all you have done for the club, AB, but your exit strategy was awful and really messed things up. Town supporters are well within their rights to remember that in addition to remembering all he good you did.[/p][/quote]Great post - I said as much on another thread, I really do not want to hear the other side of the story as I no longer wish the name of Swindon Town to be dragged through the gutter in the public domain. . Black has gone, Di canio has gone, have your war in private gentlemen and leave our club's name out of it. avo
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10:51am Fri 22 Feb 13

red white says...

the wizard wrote:
Perhaps now it can be revealed what monies were actually paid to PDC during his tenure here, details of wages and bonuses would now be of interest to supporters to see the burden, if any, the club was under to him. Then we can weigh up the balance of wages against promotion etc, and what the price was to keep the club in the league against going into admin, seems we came to within just a few Chippits of going out of existence all together.
How much you think Paolo was on a year,as a guess?
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Perhaps now it can be revealed what monies were actually paid to PDC during his tenure here, details of wages and bonuses would now be of interest to supporters to see the burden, if any, the club was under to him. Then we can weigh up the balance of wages against promotion etc, and what the price was to keep the club in the league against going into admin, seems we came to within just a few Chippits of going out of existence all together.[/p][/quote]How much you think Paolo was on a year,as a guess? red white
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11:05am Fri 22 Feb 13

madterrier says...

We shouldn't confuse ownership and management. Black owned the club - doesn't mean he has to manage it. He appoints people to do that, principally the Chairman but also the managing director/CEO.

I've got shares in GlaxoSmithKline, and so own a (tiny) part of that company - but I don't expect to manage it.

What Black is guilty of though is not managing his own money more carefully. He trusted Wray to do this, but this was misplaced, and sounds like he knew it from the off but didn't step in quickly enough.

I don't think a Chairman needs to be full time, certainly not at a small football club. Many chairmen of big PLCs are part time and non-executive. But what a football Chairman must do is provide a seamless link between owners and manager, and communicate clearly to fans and media. Wray did the second one well and the first one badly. Patey did the opposite. We just need a chairman that does both.
We shouldn't confuse ownership and management. Black owned the club - doesn't mean he has to manage it. He appoints people to do that, principally the Chairman but also the managing director/CEO. I've got shares in GlaxoSmithKline, and so own a (tiny) part of that company - but I don't expect to manage it. What Black is guilty of though is not managing his own money more carefully. He trusted Wray to do this, but this was misplaced, and sounds like he knew it from the off but didn't step in quickly enough. I don't think a Chairman needs to be full time, certainly not at a small football club. Many chairmen of big PLCs are part time and non-executive. But what a football Chairman must do is provide a seamless link between owners and manager, and communicate clearly to fans and media. Wray did the second one well and the first one badly. Patey did the opposite. We just need a chairman that does both. madterrier
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11:10am Fri 22 Feb 13

Oxon-Red says...

Thank you Mr Black for not leaving a Car crash, Plane crash or any other type of crash that has been suggested.

Thank you for the investment and, it would appear, for writing off the clubs debts thus removing a massive millstone from round our necks.

I may get slaughtered for this but...

Thank you Mr Patey for your efforts in finding buyers for the club and saving it from god knows what. It is becoming clear how tricky your job was. Identifying what to say or not is the key to diplomacy and you have handled it well. I can now appreciate how difficult it must have been trying to appease both fans and Paolo.

Thank you Paolo for 18 fantastic months. You have instilled pride back into the fans of the club and you have left us with an incredible football team. I wish you well in the future.


I now fear that we will enter a war of words between the two sides but I hope that it can be avoided. It would, IMO, appear that Mr Wray has a lot to answer for.

JW has not said "NO" and in a way extended the credit limit on Paolo's credit card without permission. Paolo has made more and more demands and if JW had been firmer the January deadline would never have been implemented.

I hope it doesn't drag on as I now want to look forward and in that respect I welcome Jed and the new consortium. We have a great club, great players and fantastic fans.

ONWARDS and UPWARDS together from now.

COYMR
Thank you Mr Black for not leaving a Car crash, Plane crash or any other type of crash that has been suggested. Thank you for the investment and, it would appear, for writing off the clubs debts thus removing a massive millstone from round our necks. I may get slaughtered for this but... Thank you Mr Patey for your efforts in finding buyers for the club and saving it from god knows what. It is becoming clear how tricky your job was. Identifying what to say or not is the key to diplomacy and you have handled it well. I can now appreciate how difficult it must have been trying to appease both fans and Paolo. Thank you Paolo for 18 fantastic months. You have instilled pride back into the fans of the club and you have left us with an incredible football team. I wish you well in the future. I now fear that we will enter a war of words between the two sides but I hope that it can be avoided. It would, IMO, appear that Mr Wray has a lot to answer for. JW has not said "NO" and in a way extended the credit limit on Paolo's credit card without permission. Paolo has made more and more demands and if JW had been firmer the January deadline would never have been implemented. I hope it doesn't drag on as I now want to look forward and in that respect I welcome Jed and the new consortium. We have a great club, great players and fantastic fans. ONWARDS and UPWARDS together from now. COYMR Oxon-Red
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11:10am Fri 22 Feb 13

Airframe-dtm says...

red white wrote:
the wizard wrote: Perhaps now it can be revealed what monies were actually paid to PDC during his tenure here, details of wages and bonuses would now be of interest to supporters to see the burden, if any, the club was under to him. Then we can weigh up the balance of wages against promotion etc, and what the price was to keep the club in the league against going into admin, seems we came to within just a few Chippits of going out of existence all together.
How much you think Paolo was on a year,as a guess?
To quote a report yesterday;

Sunday Mirror’s David Walker. “I’m told that Di Canio is on £850,000 a year basic, with an £850,000 promotion bonus.

AFDTM
[quote][p][bold]red white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Perhaps now it can be revealed what monies were actually paid to PDC during his tenure here, details of wages and bonuses would now be of interest to supporters to see the burden, if any, the club was under to him. Then we can weigh up the balance of wages against promotion etc, and what the price was to keep the club in the league against going into admin, seems we came to within just a few Chippits of going out of existence all together.[/p][/quote]How much you think Paolo was on a year,as a guess?[/p][/quote]To quote a report yesterday; Sunday Mirror’s David Walker. “I’m told that Di Canio is on £850,000 a year basic, with an £850,000 promotion bonus. AFDTM Airframe-dtm
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11:15am Fri 22 Feb 13

EastleazeRed says...

Airframe-dtm wrote:
red white wrote:
the wizard wrote: Perhaps now it can be revealed what monies were actually paid to PDC during his tenure here, details of wages and bonuses would now be of interest to supporters to see the burden, if any, the club was under to him. Then we can weigh up the balance of wages against promotion etc, and what the price was to keep the club in the league against going into admin, seems we came to within just a few Chippits of going out of existence all together.
How much you think Paolo was on a year,as a guess?
To quote a report yesterday;

Sunday Mirror’s David Walker. “I’m told that Di Canio is on £850,000 a year basic, with an £850,000 promotion bonus.

AFDTM
Absolute b0ll0cks ! Jed was answering questions on twitter last night and said Paolo was actually not on a very high wage , and thought they had a deal !
[quote][p][bold]Airframe-dtm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Perhaps now it can be revealed what monies were actually paid to PDC during his tenure here, details of wages and bonuses would now be of interest to supporters to see the burden, if any, the club was under to him. Then we can weigh up the balance of wages against promotion etc, and what the price was to keep the club in the league against going into admin, seems we came to within just a few Chippits of going out of existence all together.[/p][/quote]How much you think Paolo was on a year,as a guess?[/p][/quote]To quote a report yesterday; Sunday Mirror’s David Walker. “I’m told that Di Canio is on £850,000 a year basic, with an £850,000 promotion bonus. AFDTM[/p][/quote]Absolute b0ll0cks ! Jed was answering questions on twitter last night and said Paolo was actually not on a very high wage , and thought they had a deal ! EastleazeRed
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11:25am Fri 22 Feb 13

Davethered says...

Well I for one have thoroughly enjoyed the past few years at the county groung with Black and fitton at the helm , a management team who has spent a hell of a lot of money on the club . Thankyou for sponsoring Swindon for those years , I only hope the new owners will do the same with their management team. Whoever that may be.
Well I for one have thoroughly enjoyed the past few years at the county groung with Black and fitton at the helm , a management team who has spent a hell of a lot of money on the club . Thankyou for sponsoring Swindon for those years , I only hope the new owners will do the same with their management team. Whoever that may be. Davethered
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11:29am Fri 22 Feb 13

the don69 says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
Airframe-dtm wrote:
red white wrote:
the wizard wrote: Perhaps now it can be revealed what monies were actually paid to PDC during his tenure here, details of wages and bonuses would now be of interest to supporters to see the burden, if any, the club was under to him. Then we can weigh up the balance of wages against promotion etc, and what the price was to keep the club in the league against going into admin, seems we came to within just a few Chippits of going out of existence all together.
How much you think Paolo was on a year,as a guess?
To quote a report yesterday;

Sunday Mirror’s David Walker. “I’m told that Di Canio is on £850,000 a year basic, with an £850,000 promotion bonus.

AFDTM
Absolute b0ll0cks ! Jed was answering questions on twitter last night and said Paolo was actually not on a very high wage , and thought they had a deal !
Eastleaze is right,Jed said Paolo Not too expensive,why people quote Rags I don't know?they write want they want and they Make up want they want,it's time with Leveson,they were banged too rights and editor's Jailed when they write lies and CR@p!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Airframe-dtm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Perhaps now it can be revealed what monies were actually paid to PDC during his tenure here, details of wages and bonuses would now be of interest to supporters to see the burden, if any, the club was under to him. Then we can weigh up the balance of wages against promotion etc, and what the price was to keep the club in the league against going into admin, seems we came to within just a few Chippits of going out of existence all together.[/p][/quote]How much you think Paolo was on a year,as a guess?[/p][/quote]To quote a report yesterday; Sunday Mirror’s David Walker. “I’m told that Di Canio is on £850,000 a year basic, with an £850,000 promotion bonus. AFDTM[/p][/quote]Absolute b0ll0cks ! Jed was answering questions on twitter last night and said Paolo was actually not on a very high wage , and thought they had a deal ![/p][/quote]Eastleaze is right,Jed said Paolo Not too expensive,why people quote Rags I don't know?they write want they want and they Make up want they want,it's time with Leveson,they were banged too rights and editor's Jailed when they write lies and CR@p!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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11:30am Fri 22 Feb 13

jfmorty says...

Of course, all that Black wrote is his version of events, but on first reading it does all seem all quite logical and certainly the situation is now much clearer than last week, or even yesterday.

Probably it will take a long time before we know the whole story, if we ever do, but at least we can now move on, win promotion, and look forward to a year in the Championship. Who knows, if the new Board are on the ball, we may only be there for one year!! Onwards and upwards, that is.

In any event, it seems we the fans owe a great deal to Black AND Paolo di Canio for a marvellous two years, whatever mud is flying about at the moment.

Come on Saturday! And if results go our way, we can get clear at the top! COYR!
Of course, all that Black wrote is his version of events, but on first reading it does all seem all quite logical and certainly the situation is now much clearer than last week, or even yesterday. Probably it will take a long time before we know the whole story, if we ever do, but at least we can now move on, win promotion, and look forward to a year in the Championship. Who knows, if the new Board are on the ball, we may only be there for one year!! Onwards and upwards, that is. In any event, it seems we the fans owe a great deal to Black AND Paolo di Canio for a marvellous two years, whatever mud is flying about at the moment. Come on Saturday! And if results go our way, we can get clear at the top! COYR! jfmorty
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11:32am Fri 22 Feb 13

Oldhamred says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Thank you Mr Black for not leaving a Car crash, Plane crash or any other type of crash that has been suggested.

Thank you for the investment and, it would appear, for writing off the clubs debts thus removing a massive millstone from round our necks.

I may get slaughtered for this but...

Thank you Mr Patey for your efforts in finding buyers for the club and saving it from god knows what. It is becoming clear how tricky your job was. Identifying what to say or not is the key to diplomacy and you have handled it well. I can now appreciate how difficult it must have been trying to appease both fans and Paolo.

Thank you Paolo for 18 fantastic months. You have instilled pride back into the fans of the club and you have left us with an incredible football team. I wish you well in the future.


I now fear that we will enter a war of words between the two sides but I hope that it can be avoided. It would, IMO, appear that Mr Wray has a lot to answer for.

JW has not said "NO" and in a way extended the credit limit on Paolo's credit card without permission. Paolo has made more and more demands and if JW had been firmer the January deadline would never have been implemented.

I hope it doesn't drag on as I now want to look forward and in that respect I welcome Jed and the new consortium. We have a great club, great players and fantastic fans.

ONWARDS and UPWARDS together from now.

COYMR
"Post of the Day" so far.

Time to move on.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Thank you Mr Black for not leaving a Car crash, Plane crash or any other type of crash that has been suggested. Thank you for the investment and, it would appear, for writing off the clubs debts thus removing a massive millstone from round our necks. I may get slaughtered for this but... Thank you Mr Patey for your efforts in finding buyers for the club and saving it from god knows what. It is becoming clear how tricky your job was. Identifying what to say or not is the key to diplomacy and you have handled it well. I can now appreciate how difficult it must have been trying to appease both fans and Paolo. Thank you Paolo for 18 fantastic months. You have instilled pride back into the fans of the club and you have left us with an incredible football team. I wish you well in the future. I now fear that we will enter a war of words between the two sides but I hope that it can be avoided. It would, IMO, appear that Mr Wray has a lot to answer for. JW has not said "NO" and in a way extended the credit limit on Paolo's credit card without permission. Paolo has made more and more demands and if JW had been firmer the January deadline would never have been implemented. I hope it doesn't drag on as I now want to look forward and in that respect I welcome Jed and the new consortium. We have a great club, great players and fantastic fans. ONWARDS and UPWARDS together from now. COYMR[/p][/quote]"Post of the Day" so far. Time to move on. Oldhamred
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11:37am Fri 22 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

the don69 wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote:
Airframe-dtm wrote:
red white wrote:
the wizard wrote: Perhaps now it can be revealed what monies were actually paid to PDC during his tenure here, details of wages and bonuses would now be of interest to supporters to see the burden, if any, the club was under to him. Then we can weigh up the balance of wages against promotion etc, and what the price was to keep the club in the league against going into admin, seems we came to within just a few Chippits of going out of existence all together.
How much you think Paolo was on a year,as a guess?
To quote a report yesterday;

Sunday Mirror’s David Walker. “I’m told that Di Canio is on £850,000 a year basic, with an £850,000 promotion bonus.

AFDTM
Absolute b0ll0cks ! Jed was answering questions on twitter last night and said Paolo was actually not on a very high wage , and thought they had a deal !
Eastleaze is right,Jed said Paolo Not too expensive,why people quote Rags I don't know?they write want they want and they Make up want they want,it's time with Leveson,they were banged too rights and editor's Jailed when they write lies and CR@p!!!!!!!!!!!!
However hard we try to deny it, the press have been too uncomfortably close to the truth over the past few weeks, trouble is we didn't want to believe what a mess this club had got itself into,

Whilst PdC may not have been on the figures quoted I've no doubt he was on a very good wage and one that in truth we couldn't afford
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Airframe-dtm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Perhaps now it can be revealed what monies were actually paid to PDC during his tenure here, details of wages and bonuses would now be of interest to supporters to see the burden, if any, the club was under to him. Then we can weigh up the balance of wages against promotion etc, and what the price was to keep the club in the league against going into admin, seems we came to within just a few Chippits of going out of existence all together.[/p][/quote]How much you think Paolo was on a year,as a guess?[/p][/quote]To quote a report yesterday; Sunday Mirror’s David Walker. “I’m told that Di Canio is on £850,000 a year basic, with an £850,000 promotion bonus. AFDTM[/p][/quote]Absolute b0ll0cks ! Jed was answering questions on twitter last night and said Paolo was actually not on a very high wage , and thought they had a deal ![/p][/quote]Eastleaze is right,Jed said Paolo Not too expensive,why people quote Rags I don't know?they write want they want and they Make up want they want,it's time with Leveson,they were banged too rights and editor's Jailed when they write lies and CR@p!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]However hard we try to deny it, the press have been too uncomfortably close to the truth over the past few weeks, trouble is we didn't want to believe what a mess this club had got itself into, Whilst PdC may not have been on the figures quoted I've no doubt he was on a very good wage and one that in truth we couldn't afford Davidsyrett
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11:44am Fri 22 Feb 13

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Thank you Mr Black for not leaving a Car crash, Plane crash or any other type of crash that has been suggested.

Thank you for the investment and, it would appear, for writing off the clubs debts thus removing a massive millstone from round our necks.

I may get slaughtered for this but...

Thank you Mr Patey for your efforts in finding buyers for the club and saving it from god knows what. It is becoming clear how tricky your job was. Identifying what to say or not is the key to diplomacy and you have handled it well. I can now appreciate how difficult it must have been trying to appease both fans and Paolo.

Thank you Paolo for 18 fantastic months. You have instilled pride back into the fans of the club and you have left us with an incredible football team. I wish you well in the future.


I now fear that we will enter a war of words between the two sides but I hope that it can be avoided. It would, IMO, appear that Mr Wray has a lot to answer for.

JW has not said "NO" and in a way extended the credit limit on Paolo's credit card without permission. Paolo has made more and more demands and if JW had been firmer the January deadline would never have been implemented.

I hope it doesn't drag on as I now want to look forward and in that respect I welcome Jed and the new consortium. We have a great club, great players and fantastic fans.

ONWARDS and UPWARDS together from now.

COYMR
Have to thank the investment for sure.
It was obvious that we were overspending and living beyond our means.

But unbelievable that the major investor was unaware on the spending. Why have Board meetings, reports and budgets like any normal business.

Just seems on the outside like a chaotic mess with no communication.
PDC was getting it right on the pitch for sure and us Supporters were loving every minute of it.

Bound to end in tears and it has but I agree with you. We now need to move on.

New Board, New Era, Top of the League. Lets go for it and get behind STFC.

See you all tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Thank you Mr Black for not leaving a Car crash, Plane crash or any other type of crash that has been suggested. Thank you for the investment and, it would appear, for writing off the clubs debts thus removing a massive millstone from round our necks. I may get slaughtered for this but... Thank you Mr Patey for your efforts in finding buyers for the club and saving it from god knows what. It is becoming clear how tricky your job was. Identifying what to say or not is the key to diplomacy and you have handled it well. I can now appreciate how difficult it must have been trying to appease both fans and Paolo. Thank you Paolo for 18 fantastic months. You have instilled pride back into the fans of the club and you have left us with an incredible football team. I wish you well in the future. I now fear that we will enter a war of words between the two sides but I hope that it can be avoided. It would, IMO, appear that Mr Wray has a lot to answer for. JW has not said "NO" and in a way extended the credit limit on Paolo's credit card without permission. Paolo has made more and more demands and if JW had been firmer the January deadline would never have been implemented. I hope it doesn't drag on as I now want to look forward and in that respect I welcome Jed and the new consortium. We have a great club, great players and fantastic fans. ONWARDS and UPWARDS together from now. COYMR[/p][/quote]Have to thank the investment for sure. It was obvious that we were overspending and living beyond our means. But unbelievable that the major investor was unaware on the spending. Why have Board meetings, reports and budgets like any normal business. Just seems on the outside like a chaotic mess with no communication. PDC was getting it right on the pitch for sure and us Supporters were loving every minute of it. Bound to end in tears and it has but I agree with you. We now need to move on. New Board, New Era, Top of the League. Lets go for it and get behind STFC. See you all tomorrow. TheDukeOfBanbury
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11:48am Fri 22 Feb 13

Since 1950 says...

madterrier wrote:
We shouldn't confuse ownership and management. Black owned the club - doesn't mean he has to manage it. He appoints people to do that, principally the Chairman but also the managing director/CEO. I've got shares in GlaxoSmithKline, and so own a (tiny) part of that company - but I don't expect to manage it. What Black is guilty of though is not managing his own money more carefully. He trusted Wray to do this, but this was misplaced, and sounds like he knew it from the off but didn't step in quickly enough. I don't think a Chairman needs to be full time, certainly not at a small football club. Many chairmen of big PLCs are part time and non-executive. But what a football Chairman must do is provide a seamless link between owners and manager, and communicate clearly to fans and media. Wray did the second one well and the first one badly. Patey did the opposite. We just need a chairman that does both.
One and the same madterrier wouldn't you think?

If you think Black guilty of not managing his money then surely he is guilty of not managing - full stop.

You have shares in GSK. Okay, you don't manage the company but as a shareholder that entitles you to go to meetings. You have a voice.

Black had a voice. As an owner, wouldn't you think he'd have kept very close tabs on things? especially with a Chairman he said he wasn't happy with and a manager who was untried and tested.

As I have said before, no one comes out of all this mess without some blame for the unhappy way it finished.
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: We shouldn't confuse ownership and management. Black owned the club - doesn't mean he has to manage it. He appoints people to do that, principally the Chairman but also the managing director/CEO. I've got shares in GlaxoSmithKline, and so own a (tiny) part of that company - but I don't expect to manage it. What Black is guilty of though is not managing his own money more carefully. He trusted Wray to do this, but this was misplaced, and sounds like he knew it from the off but didn't step in quickly enough. I don't think a Chairman needs to be full time, certainly not at a small football club. Many chairmen of big PLCs are part time and non-executive. But what a football Chairman must do is provide a seamless link between owners and manager, and communicate clearly to fans and media. Wray did the second one well and the first one badly. Patey did the opposite. We just need a chairman that does both.[/p][/quote]One and the same madterrier wouldn't you think? If you think Black guilty of not managing his money then surely he is guilty of not managing - full stop. You have shares in GSK. Okay, you don't manage the company but as a shareholder that entitles you to go to meetings. You have a voice. Black had a voice. As an owner, wouldn't you think he'd have kept very close tabs on things? especially with a Chairman he said he wasn't happy with and a manager who was untried and tested. As I have said before, no one comes out of all this mess without some blame for the unhappy way it finished. Since 1950
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11:52am Fri 22 Feb 13

red white says...

mustard red wrote:
Sorry if someone has already mentioned this... Is there any truth in the club needing to change the locks at the County Ground after PDC stole into the manager’s office under darkness and caused damage by tearing down pictures of his successful reign? Apparently he was caught on CCTV getting into the offices with one of his backroom team. Incredible turn of events if true.
Yes,I read it in The Times at work today! Had to laugh.

Also,in The Guardian a big piece on our 1969 cup win and an interview with John Trollope and Don Rogers and 3 great pictures.

We are still the last club to win a major trophy from outside the top league!

Might be a bit about us on TV/radio this weekend before the LC final and with all that has gone on this week!
[quote][p][bold]mustard red[/bold] wrote: Sorry if someone has already mentioned this... Is there any truth in the club needing to change the locks at the County Ground after PDC stole into the manager’s office under darkness and caused damage by tearing down pictures of his successful reign? Apparently he was caught on CCTV getting into the offices with one of his backroom team. Incredible turn of events if true.[/p][/quote]Yes,I read it in The Times at work today! Had to laugh. Also,in The Guardian a big piece on our 1969 cup win and an interview with John Trollope and Don Rogers and 3 great pictures. We are still the last club to win a major trophy from outside the top league! Might be a bit about us on TV/radio this weekend before the LC final and with all that has gone on this week! red white
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11:59am Fri 22 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

TerryHubbard wrote:
What are peoples thoughts on Alan Curbishley coming in as new Town Manager not a name mentioned.
curbs was just on sky telling people what mancini was doing wrong, so hes the next man city manager.
makes me laugh the likes of him and dowie telling them what they sould have/been doing
lol
o&u
[quote][p][bold]TerryHubbard[/bold] wrote: What are peoples thoughts on Alan Curbishley coming in as new Town Manager not a name mentioned.[/p][/quote]curbs was just on sky telling people what mancini was doing wrong, so hes the next man city manager. makes me laugh the likes of him and dowie telling them what they sould have/been doing lol o&u smirg kcab
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12:13pm Fri 22 Feb 13

KerroucheIsntOnFire says...

Spoilt Rich Kids falling out over money and using STFC as a battleground - Black says himself he stuck to his guns and decided not to put any more money in! He could have kept the club going to the summer but chose not too!

What gets me is that he says Paolo and Spencer knew Ritchie was being sold, "Di Canio and Spencer knew this and there had, I'm told, been a lot of discussions" then immediatley back tracks and says "AFAIK" as far as i know"they had been consulted and had accepted that it might happen".

Absolute Rubbish, I thank Black for what he did in terms of investment but the way he put the brakes on so to speak were outrageous and damaged the club!

Paolo will be a Swindon Legend he's done a fantastic Job at our club and turned the whole attitude around! These are professional football players and they need to train hard! Im worried the clubs going to go back to the Ferry and Douglas **** up days where more drinking than training is done!

Again you guys fail to note we spent more on the League1 Relegation season in terms of wages than we have this year,We had less to spend last year in League 2 !

I wish Jed and others success but i have a horrible feeling we are going back to the days of league2 mid table unless we get promoted this year! There whole model is on sustainability and putting very little money in!
Spoilt Rich Kids falling out over money and using STFC as a battleground - Black says himself he stuck to his guns and decided not to put any more money in! He could have kept the club going to the summer but chose not too! What gets me is that he says Paolo and Spencer knew Ritchie was being sold, "Di Canio and Spencer knew this and there had, I'm told, been a lot of discussions" then immediatley back tracks and says "AFAIK" as far as i know"they had been consulted and had accepted that it might happen". Absolute Rubbish, I thank Black for what he did in terms of investment but the way he put the brakes on so to speak were outrageous and damaged the club! Paolo will be a Swindon Legend he's done a fantastic Job at our club and turned the whole attitude around! These are professional football players and they need to train hard! Im worried the clubs going to go back to the Ferry and Douglas **** up days where more drinking than training is done! Again you guys fail to note we spent more on the League1 Relegation season in terms of wages than we have this year,We had less to spend last year in League 2 ! I wish Jed and others success but i have a horrible feeling we are going back to the days of league2 mid table unless we get promoted this year! There whole model is on sustainability and putting very little money in! KerroucheIsntOnFire
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12:17pm Fri 22 Feb 13

mustard red says...

red white wrote:
mustard red wrote:
Sorry if someone has already mentioned this... Is there any truth in the club needing to change the locks at the County Ground after PDC stole into the manager’s office under darkness and caused damage by tearing down pictures of his successful reign? Apparently he was caught on CCTV getting into the offices with one of his backroom team. Incredible turn of events if true.
Yes,I read it in The Times at work today! Had to laugh.

Also,in The Guardian a big piece on our 1969 cup win and an interview with John Trollope and Don Rogers and 3 great pictures.

We are still the last club to win a major trophy from outside the top league!

Might be a bit about us on TV/radio this weekend before the LC final and with all that has gone on this week!
Yes, I've just read it too. Very amusing.

Would be good to get some positive stories out there for a change, but I'm not sure it will be before the LC final.
[quote][p][bold]red white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mustard red[/bold] wrote: Sorry if someone has already mentioned this... Is there any truth in the club needing to change the locks at the County Ground after PDC stole into the manager’s office under darkness and caused damage by tearing down pictures of his successful reign? Apparently he was caught on CCTV getting into the offices with one of his backroom team. Incredible turn of events if true.[/p][/quote]Yes,I read it in The Times at work today! Had to laugh. Also,in The Guardian a big piece on our 1969 cup win and an interview with John Trollope and Don Rogers and 3 great pictures. We are still the last club to win a major trophy from outside the top league! Might be a bit about us on TV/radio this weekend before the LC final and with all that has gone on this week![/p][/quote]Yes, I've just read it too. Very amusing. Would be good to get some positive stories out there for a change, but I'm not sure it will be before the LC final. mustard red
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12:23pm Fri 22 Feb 13

madterrier says...

Since 1950 wrote:
madterrier wrote:
We shouldn't confuse ownership and management. Black owned the club - doesn't mean he has to manage it. He appoints people to do that, principally the Chairman but also the managing director/CEO. I've got shares in GlaxoSmithKline, and so own a (tiny) part of that company - but I don't expect to manage it. What Black is guilty of though is not managing his own money more carefully. He trusted Wray to do this, but this was misplaced, and sounds like he knew it from the off but didn't step in quickly enough. I don't think a Chairman needs to be full time, certainly not at a small football club. Many chairmen of big PLCs are part time and non-executive. But what a football Chairman must do is provide a seamless link between owners and manager, and communicate clearly to fans and media. Wray did the second one well and the first one badly. Patey did the opposite. We just need a chairman that does both.
One and the same madterrier wouldn't you think?

If you think Black guilty of not managing his money then surely he is guilty of not managing - full stop.

You have shares in GSK. Okay, you don't manage the company but as a shareholder that entitles you to go to meetings. You have a voice.

Black had a voice. As an owner, wouldn't you think he'd have kept very close tabs on things? especially with a Chairman he said he wasn't happy with and a manager who was untried and tested.

As I have said before, no one comes out of all this mess without some blame for the unhappy way it finished.
Not really the same thing 1950. I think as an owner you agree an overall budget, projected return/loss, strategy, and appoint a board. And then let the executive members get on with it. I don't think people could have expected Black to have been hands on in running the club on a daily basis - he entrusted that to J.Wray and Nick Watkins. Yes of course Black went to board meetings (or did he? someone said he often sent a proxy), which is why he seems to have mis-managed his own money by not asking tough enough questions or even asking them at all. But at the end of the day, he has transferred a large amount of his own wealth to the club. I don't know of many people who would do that with the good grace that he has.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: We shouldn't confuse ownership and management. Black owned the club - doesn't mean he has to manage it. He appoints people to do that, principally the Chairman but also the managing director/CEO. I've got shares in GlaxoSmithKline, and so own a (tiny) part of that company - but I don't expect to manage it. What Black is guilty of though is not managing his own money more carefully. He trusted Wray to do this, but this was misplaced, and sounds like he knew it from the off but didn't step in quickly enough. I don't think a Chairman needs to be full time, certainly not at a small football club. Many chairmen of big PLCs are part time and non-executive. But what a football Chairman must do is provide a seamless link between owners and manager, and communicate clearly to fans and media. Wray did the second one well and the first one badly. Patey did the opposite. We just need a chairman that does both.[/p][/quote]One and the same madterrier wouldn't you think? If you think Black guilty of not managing his money then surely he is guilty of not managing - full stop. You have shares in GSK. Okay, you don't manage the company but as a shareholder that entitles you to go to meetings. You have a voice. Black had a voice. As an owner, wouldn't you think he'd have kept very close tabs on things? especially with a Chairman he said he wasn't happy with and a manager who was untried and tested. As I have said before, no one comes out of all this mess without some blame for the unhappy way it finished.[/p][/quote]Not really the same thing 1950. I think as an owner you agree an overall budget, projected return/loss, strategy, and appoint a board. And then let the executive members get on with it. I don't think people could have expected Black to have been hands on in running the club on a daily basis - he entrusted that to J.Wray and Nick Watkins. Yes of course Black went to board meetings (or did he? someone said he often sent a proxy), which is why he seems to have mis-managed his own money by not asking tough enough questions or even asking them at all. But at the end of the day, he has transferred a large amount of his own wealth to the club. I don't know of many people who would do that with the good grace that he has. madterrier
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12:24pm Fri 22 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

I never got to know Paolo very well - I only met him a handful of times

please fill in the missing times?

1-the appointment
2-beating wigan
3-getting in auto promotion
4-winning the league
5-beating stoke
6-watchig him on cctv at 1a.m
7-?
8?
9?
10?
look on the bright side black may have used claridges and mersons gambling money.so nothing lost.
very very poor communication for a multi millionaire who sounded that he was bullied into running stfc.
sorry i would be frustrated rant/rave if you was locked out of sight when a man truley only wanted to get us up to the championship.
paolo told the press lots of times that the plan was in place. so why did you not set the record straight then?
you should have gone at the start of the season then this farce/fiasco would not have came down to this.
stop using aerial wash powder because as the saying goes black you look a clown.
o&u
I never got to know Paolo very well - I only met him a handful of times please fill in the missing times? 1-the appointment 2-beating wigan 3-getting in auto promotion 4-winning the league 5-beating stoke 6-watchig him on cctv at 1a.m 7-? 8? 9? 10? look on the bright side black may have used claridges and mersons gambling money.so nothing lost. very very poor communication for a multi millionaire who sounded that he was bullied into running stfc. sorry i would be frustrated rant/rave if you was locked out of sight when a man truley only wanted to get us up to the championship. paolo told the press lots of times that the plan was in place. so why did you not set the record straight then? you should have gone at the start of the season then this farce/fiasco would not have came down to this. stop using aerial wash powder because as the saying goes black you look a clown. o&u smirg kcab
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12:30pm Fri 22 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

smirg kcab wrote:
I never got to know Paolo very well - I only met him a handful of times please fill in the missing times? 1-the appointment 2-beating wigan 3-getting in auto promotion 4-winning the league 5-beating stoke 6-watchig him on cctv at 1a.m 7-? 8? 9? 10? look on the bright side black may have used claridges and mersons gambling money.so nothing lost. very very poor communication for a multi millionaire who sounded that he was bullied into running stfc. sorry i would be frustrated rant/rave if you was locked out of sight when a man truley only wanted to get us up to the championship. paolo told the press lots of times that the plan was in place. so why did you not set the record straight then? you should have gone at the start of the season then this farce/fiasco would not have came down to this. stop using aerial wash powder because as the saying goes black you look a clown. o&u
forgot to add the fly on the wall documentary may not be that far away.
onwards and upwards.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: I never got to know Paolo very well - I only met him a handful of times please fill in the missing times? 1-the appointment 2-beating wigan 3-getting in auto promotion 4-winning the league 5-beating stoke 6-watchig him on cctv at 1a.m 7-? 8? 9? 10? look on the bright side black may have used claridges and mersons gambling money.so nothing lost. very very poor communication for a multi millionaire who sounded that he was bullied into running stfc. sorry i would be frustrated rant/rave if you was locked out of sight when a man truley only wanted to get us up to the championship. paolo told the press lots of times that the plan was in place. so why did you not set the record straight then? you should have gone at the start of the season then this farce/fiasco would not have came down to this. stop using aerial wash powder because as the saying goes black you look a clown. o&u[/p][/quote]forgot to add the fly on the wall documentary may not be that far away. onwards and upwards. smirg kcab
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12:34pm Fri 22 Feb 13

jayden says...

smirg kcab wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
I never got to know Paolo very well - I only met him a handful of times please fill in the missing times? 1-the appointment 2-beating wigan 3-getting in auto promotion 4-winning the league 5-beating stoke 6-watchig him on cctv at 1a.m 7-? 8? 9? 10? look on the bright side black may have used claridges and mersons gambling money.so nothing lost. very very poor communication for a multi millionaire who sounded that he was bullied into running stfc. sorry i would be frustrated rant/rave if you was locked out of sight when a man truley only wanted to get us up to the championship. paolo told the press lots of times that the plan was in place. so why did you not set the record straight then? you should have gone at the start of the season then this farce/fiasco would not have came down to this. stop using aerial wash powder because as the saying goes black you look a clown. o&u
forgot to add the fly on the wall documentary may not be that far away.
onwards and upwards.
Got a lot to say smirg today dont tire yourself out leave some for shouting tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: I never got to know Paolo very well - I only met him a handful of times please fill in the missing times? 1-the appointment 2-beating wigan 3-getting in auto promotion 4-winning the league 5-beating stoke 6-watchig him on cctv at 1a.m 7-? 8? 9? 10? look on the bright side black may have used claridges and mersons gambling money.so nothing lost. very very poor communication for a multi millionaire who sounded that he was bullied into running stfc. sorry i would be frustrated rant/rave if you was locked out of sight when a man truley only wanted to get us up to the championship. paolo told the press lots of times that the plan was in place. so why did you not set the record straight then? you should have gone at the start of the season then this farce/fiasco would not have came down to this. stop using aerial wash powder because as the saying goes black you look a clown. o&u[/p][/quote]forgot to add the fly on the wall documentary may not be that far away. onwards and upwards.[/p][/quote]Got a lot to say smirg today dont tire yourself out leave some for shouting tomorrow. jayden
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12:43pm Fri 22 Feb 13

35 year fan says...

PDC and Spencer wil be absolutely seething at this and will very soon be coming after the club for compensation/fees they will say they are due for being forced out, Spencers loan deals being blocked etc.
PDC and Spencer wil be absolutely seething at this and will very soon be coming after the club for compensation/fees they will say they are due for being forced out, Spencers loan deals being blocked etc. 35 year fan
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12:43pm Fri 22 Feb 13

EastleazeRed says...

smirg kcab wrote:
TerryHubbard wrote:
What are peoples thoughts on Alan Curbishley coming in as new Town Manager not a name mentioned.
curbs was just on sky telling people what mancini was doing wrong, so hes the next man city manager.
makes me laugh the likes of him and dowie telling them what they sould have/been doing
lol
o&u
Another couple of Dinosaurs ! Dont they realise the game has moved on since they were in managment .
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerryHubbard[/bold] wrote: What are peoples thoughts on Alan Curbishley coming in as new Town Manager not a name mentioned.[/p][/quote]curbs was just on sky telling people what mancini was doing wrong, so hes the next man city manager. makes me laugh the likes of him and dowie telling them what they sould have/been doing lol o&u[/p][/quote]Another couple of Dinosaurs ! Dont they realise the game has moved on since they were in managment . EastleazeRed
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12:46pm Fri 22 Feb 13

fatman says...

Mr Bllack you brought on your self the negative posts about you , you only had to say you have been trying to offload the club and most folk would have understood , your money your choice .
You IMHO were out of order to bring in
hatchet man Patey to do the back stabbing . Andrew Fitton was the leader of the pack that saved Swindon Town and you knifed him in the back also .I personally are pleased your no longer in overall control and wether it happens or not would love to see Jeremy Wray and Andrew Fitton back at the County Ground because with these Guys at least we got honesty a thing that seems to have been in short supply at sn1 in recent years . Goodbye Mr Black good riddence Patey
Mr Bllack you brought on your self the negative posts about you , you only had to say you have been trying to offload the club and most folk would have understood , your money your choice . You IMHO were out of order to bring in hatchet man Patey to do the back stabbing . Andrew Fitton was the leader of the pack that saved Swindon Town and you knifed him in the back also .I personally are pleased your no longer in overall control and wether it happens or not would love to see Jeremy Wray and Andrew Fitton back at the County Ground because with these Guys at least we got honesty a thing that seems to have been in short supply at sn1 in recent years . Goodbye Mr Black good riddence Patey fatman
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12:46pm Fri 22 Feb 13

killerontheloose says...

This is the 'I'm perfect in every way' speech and it was all someone else's fault...very good - just one comment.....I'm not sure how good a manager PDC is.....a a hint, try looking at the results or maybe even the fitness / attitude / teamwork etc -
This is the 'I'm perfect in every way' speech and it was all someone else's fault...very good - just one comment.....I'm not sure how good a manager PDC is.....a a hint, try looking at the results or maybe even the fitness / attitude / teamwork etc - killerontheloose
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12:47pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

KerroucheIsntOnFire wrote:
Spoilt Rich Kids falling out over money and using STFC as a battleground - Black says himself he stuck to his guns and decided not to put any more money in! He could have kept the club going to the summer but chose not too!

What gets me is that he says Paolo and Spencer knew Ritchie was being sold, "Di Canio and Spencer knew this and there had, I'm told, been a lot of discussions" then immediatley back tracks and says "AFAIK" as far as i know"they had been consulted and had accepted that it might happen".

Absolute Rubbish, I thank Black for what he did in terms of investment but the way he put the brakes on so to speak were outrageous and damaged the club!

Paolo will be a Swindon Legend he's done a fantastic Job at our club and turned the whole attitude around! These are professional football players and they need to train hard! Im worried the clubs going to go back to the Ferry and Douglas **** up days where more drinking than training is done!

Again you guys fail to note we spent more on the League1 Relegation season in terms of wages than we have this year,We had less to spend last year in League 2 !

I wish Jed and others success but i have a horrible feeling we are going back to the days of league2 mid table unless we get promoted this year! There whole model is on sustainability and putting very little money in!
The way Black put the brakes on was not outrageous - you can't expect a guy to constantly be reaching into his pocket just because the club is spending more than its earning.

He's guilty about not keeping a closer eye on things but as others have said, he would have expected Wray (although he does seem to have had misgivings about that one - maybe he just couldn't find anyone to replace him earlier?) and Watkins to have done that. You seem to be pilloring the guy for not running a tighter ship and then expecting him to pump even more money into the club. You can't have it both ways!!

As for "absolute rubbish" - you have no idea whether or not what he tweet is true. Nor do I, but the guy's comments seem reasonable and seem to fill in some of the gaps that have been missing from PDC's statements.

And as for criticising the new board for wanting sustainability - isn't this actually a good thing in the long-term? Do you want the whole club to be built on a bed of sand that just gets washed away when a backer wants to/has to pull out (as was virtually the case this time)?

Oh, and we've spent exactly SIX season in what's now FL2. Two of those saw us win it and one other saw us get promoted, so we've never really had "the days of FL2 mid table".
[quote][p][bold]KerroucheIsntOnFire[/bold] wrote: Spoilt Rich Kids falling out over money and using STFC as a battleground - Black says himself he stuck to his guns and decided not to put any more money in! He could have kept the club going to the summer but chose not too! What gets me is that he says Paolo and Spencer knew Ritchie was being sold, "Di Canio and Spencer knew this and there had, I'm told, been a lot of discussions" then immediatley back tracks and says "AFAIK" as far as i know"they had been consulted and had accepted that it might happen". Absolute Rubbish, I thank Black for what he did in terms of investment but the way he put the brakes on so to speak were outrageous and damaged the club! Paolo will be a Swindon Legend he's done a fantastic Job at our club and turned the whole attitude around! These are professional football players and they need to train hard! Im worried the clubs going to go back to the Ferry and Douglas **** up days where more drinking than training is done! Again you guys fail to note we spent more on the League1 Relegation season in terms of wages than we have this year,We had less to spend last year in League 2 ! I wish Jed and others success but i have a horrible feeling we are going back to the days of league2 mid table unless we get promoted this year! There whole model is on sustainability and putting very little money in![/p][/quote]The way Black put the brakes on was not outrageous - you can't expect a guy to constantly be reaching into his pocket just because the club is spending more than its earning. He's guilty about not keeping a closer eye on things but as others have said, he would have expected Wray (although he does seem to have had misgivings about that one - maybe he just couldn't find anyone to replace him earlier?) and Watkins to have done that. You seem to be pilloring the guy for not running a tighter ship and then expecting him to pump even more money into the club. You can't have it both ways!! As for "absolute rubbish" - you have no idea whether or not what he tweet is true. Nor do I, but the guy's comments seem reasonable and seem to fill in some of the gaps that have been missing from PDC's statements. And as for criticising the new board for wanting sustainability - isn't this actually a good thing in the long-term? Do you want the whole club to be built on a bed of sand that just gets washed away when a backer wants to/has to pull out (as was virtually the case this time)? Oh, and we've spent exactly SIX season in what's now FL2. Two of those saw us win it and one other saw us get promoted, so we've never really had "the days of FL2 mid table". Jeremy Hilary Boob
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12:48pm Fri 22 Feb 13

the don69 says...

jayden wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
I never got to know Paolo very well - I only met him a handful of times please fill in the missing times? 1-the appointment 2-beating wigan 3-getting in auto promotion 4-winning the league 5-beating stoke 6-watchig him on cctv at 1a.m 7-? 8? 9? 10? look on the bright side black may have used claridges and mersons gambling money.so nothing lost. very very poor communication for a multi millionaire who sounded that he was bullied into running stfc. sorry i would be frustrated rant/rave if you was locked out of sight when a man truley only wanted to get us up to the championship. paolo told the press lots of times that the plan was in place. so why did you not set the record straight then? you should have gone at the start of the season then this farce/fiasco would not have came down to this. stop using aerial wash powder because as the saying goes black you look a clown. o&u
forgot to add the fly on the wall documentary may not be that far away.
onwards and upwards.
Got a lot to say smirg today dont tire yourself out leave some for shouting tomorrow.
Don't forget to start building Dreamo's Terracotta Army of Statue's Grim!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: I never got to know Paolo very well - I only met him a handful of times please fill in the missing times? 1-the appointment 2-beating wigan 3-getting in auto promotion 4-winning the league 5-beating stoke 6-watchig him on cctv at 1a.m 7-? 8? 9? 10? look on the bright side black may have used claridges and mersons gambling money.so nothing lost. very very poor communication for a multi millionaire who sounded that he was bullied into running stfc. sorry i would be frustrated rant/rave if you was locked out of sight when a man truley only wanted to get us up to the championship. paolo told the press lots of times that the plan was in place. so why did you not set the record straight then? you should have gone at the start of the season then this farce/fiasco would not have came down to this. stop using aerial wash powder because as the saying goes black you look a clown. o&u[/p][/quote]forgot to add the fly on the wall documentary may not be that far away. onwards and upwards.[/p][/quote]Got a lot to say smirg today dont tire yourself out leave some for shouting tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Don't forget to start building Dreamo's Terracotta Army of Statue's Grim!LOL!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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12:58pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

killerontheloose wrote:
This is the 'I'm perfect in every way' speech and it was all someone else's fault...very good - just one comment.....I'm not sure how good a manager PDC is.....a a hint, try looking at the results or maybe even the fitness / attitude / teamwork etc -
But PDC was backed more than any other manager in FL2 last season - in terms of transfer fees, wages, fees paid to agents, his ability to bring players in and ship them out when he discovered they were no good.

On that basis, we don't know exactly how good a manager he is. Things like fitness can be measured - and few would deny they were fitter than the season before.

But you can't judge him solely on results. This year, we're top, but Yeovil are in the play-offs on a fraction of the budget. Who's done a better job so far - PDC or Gary Johnson who's probably had less than half the money to spend?

Man City are 2nd in the PL but Mancini's spent a fortune, so most people wouldn't say he's doing a better job than, say, Michael Laudrup, who hasn't got a sheikh bankrolling him.

So with PDC we can accept his achievements but we'll only know how good a manager he is when he's further along in his career. If he goes to WHU, and gets them to punch above their weight then that shows his ability. But if he goes there, has more to spend than a lot of other clubs, and they end up in the bottom three then maybe he'll have been found out a little.
[quote][p][bold]killerontheloose[/bold] wrote: This is the 'I'm perfect in every way' speech and it was all someone else's fault...very good - just one comment.....I'm not sure how good a manager PDC is.....a a hint, try looking at the results or maybe even the fitness / attitude / teamwork etc -[/p][/quote]But PDC was backed more than any other manager in FL2 last season - in terms of transfer fees, wages, fees paid to agents, his ability to bring players in and ship them out when he discovered they were no good. On that basis, we don't know exactly how good a manager he is. Things like fitness can be measured - and few would deny they were fitter than the season before. But you can't judge him solely on results. This year, we're top, but Yeovil are in the play-offs on a fraction of the budget. Who's done a better job so far - PDC or Gary Johnson who's probably had less than half the money to spend? Man City are 2nd in the PL but Mancini's spent a fortune, so most people wouldn't say he's doing a better job than, say, Michael Laudrup, who hasn't got a sheikh bankrolling him. So with PDC we can accept his achievements but we'll only know how good a manager he is when he's further along in his career. If he goes to WHU, and gets them to punch above their weight then that shows his ability. But if he goes there, has more to spend than a lot of other clubs, and they end up in the bottom three then maybe he'll have been found out a little. Jeremy Hilary Boob
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1:04pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

KerroucheIsntOnFire wrote:
Spoilt Rich Kids falling out over money and using STFC as a battleground - Black says himself he stuck to his guns and decided not to put any more money in! He could have kept the club going to the summer but chose not too!

What gets me is that he says Paolo and Spencer knew Ritchie was being sold, "Di Canio and Spencer knew this and there had, I'm told, been a lot of discussions" then immediatley back tracks and says "AFAIK" as far as i know"they had been consulted and had accepted that it might happen".

Absolute Rubbish, I thank Black for what he did in terms of investment but the way he put the brakes on so to speak were outrageous and damaged the club!

Paolo will be a Swindon Legend he's done a fantastic Job at our club and turned the whole attitude around! These are professional football players and they need to train hard! Im worried the clubs going to go back to the Ferry and Douglas **** up days where more drinking than training is done!

Again you guys fail to note we spent more on the League1 Relegation season in terms of wages than we have this year,We had less to spend last year in League 2 !

I wish Jed and others success but i have a horrible feeling we are going back to the days of league2 mid table unless we get promoted this year! There whole model is on sustainability and putting very little money in!
"Absolute Rubbish, I thank Black for what he did in terms of investment but the way he put the brakes on so to speak were outrageous and damaged the club!"

At some AB was going to stop investing, would you be happy to keep investing £200K a month to keep the clubs head above water especially with PdC demanding more and more.Yes he could have gone on investing but he choose not to.

Paolo will be a Swindon Legend he's done a fantastic Job at our club and turned the whole attitude around! These are professional football players and they need to train hard! Im worried the clubs going to go back to the Ferry and Douglas **** up days where more drinking than training is done!

PdC will never be a legend now, yes he got us out of the 4th Div. with a big budget and looked like we could have gone up again, but ask yourself one question, Why did he walk out when he did?

I'll tell you this, I'd rather be in the position we are today than 2 weeks ago with PdC in charge and the real threat of administration and possible 20 point deduction
[quote][p][bold]KerroucheIsntOnFire[/bold] wrote: Spoilt Rich Kids falling out over money and using STFC as a battleground - Black says himself he stuck to his guns and decided not to put any more money in! He could have kept the club going to the summer but chose not too! What gets me is that he says Paolo and Spencer knew Ritchie was being sold, "Di Canio and Spencer knew this and there had, I'm told, been a lot of discussions" then immediatley back tracks and says "AFAIK" as far as i know"they had been consulted and had accepted that it might happen". Absolute Rubbish, I thank Black for what he did in terms of investment but the way he put the brakes on so to speak were outrageous and damaged the club! Paolo will be a Swindon Legend he's done a fantastic Job at our club and turned the whole attitude around! These are professional football players and they need to train hard! Im worried the clubs going to go back to the Ferry and Douglas **** up days where more drinking than training is done! Again you guys fail to note we spent more on the League1 Relegation season in terms of wages than we have this year,We had less to spend last year in League 2 ! I wish Jed and others success but i have a horrible feeling we are going back to the days of league2 mid table unless we get promoted this year! There whole model is on sustainability and putting very little money in![/p][/quote]"Absolute Rubbish, I thank Black for what he did in terms of investment but the way he put the brakes on so to speak were outrageous and damaged the club!" At some AB was going to stop investing, would you be happy to keep investing £200K a month to keep the clubs head above water especially with PdC demanding more and more.Yes he could have gone on investing but he choose not to. Paolo will be a Swindon Legend he's done a fantastic Job at our club and turned the whole attitude around! These are professional football players and they need to train hard! Im worried the clubs going to go back to the Ferry and Douglas **** up days where more drinking than training is done! PdC will never be a legend now, yes he got us out of the 4th Div. with a big budget and looked like we could have gone up again, but ask yourself one question, Why did he walk out when he did? I'll tell you this, I'd rather be in the position we are today than 2 weeks ago with PdC in charge and the real threat of administration and possible 20 point deduction Davidsyrett
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1:07pm Fri 22 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
killerontheloose wrote:
This is the 'I'm perfect in every way' speech and it was all someone else's fault...very good - just one comment.....I'm not sure how good a manager PDC is.....a a hint, try looking at the results or maybe even the fitness / attitude / teamwork etc -
But PDC was backed more than any other manager in FL2 last season - in terms of transfer fees, wages, fees paid to agents, his ability to bring players in and ship them out when he discovered they were no good.

On that basis, we don't know exactly how good a manager he is. Things like fitness can be measured - and few would deny they were fitter than the season before.

But you can't judge him solely on results. This year, we're top, but Yeovil are in the play-offs on a fraction of the budget. Who's done a better job so far - PDC or Gary Johnson who's probably had less than half the money to spend?

Man City are 2nd in the PL but Mancini's spent a fortune, so most people wouldn't say he's doing a better job than, say, Michael Laudrup, who hasn't got a sheikh bankrolling him.

So with PDC we can accept his achievements but we'll only know how good a manager he is when he's further along in his career. If he goes to WHU, and gets them to punch above their weight then that shows his ability. But if he goes there, has more to spend than a lot of other clubs, and they end up in the bottom three then maybe he'll have been found out a little.
Ah but Gary Johnson,failed at Bristol City with a load of money,failed at the Cobblers!so it seems he can only do it at Yeovil where he has no pressure,the more money a manager has to spend the more pressure and he has to succeed,no money no pressure,two sides to every story Jeremy!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killerontheloose[/bold] wrote: This is the 'I'm perfect in every way' speech and it was all someone else's fault...very good - just one comment.....I'm not sure how good a manager PDC is.....a a hint, try looking at the results or maybe even the fitness / attitude / teamwork etc -[/p][/quote]But PDC was backed more than any other manager in FL2 last season - in terms of transfer fees, wages, fees paid to agents, his ability to bring players in and ship them out when he discovered they were no good. On that basis, we don't know exactly how good a manager he is. Things like fitness can be measured - and few would deny they were fitter than the season before. But you can't judge him solely on results. This year, we're top, but Yeovil are in the play-offs on a fraction of the budget. Who's done a better job so far - PDC or Gary Johnson who's probably had less than half the money to spend? Man City are 2nd in the PL but Mancini's spent a fortune, so most people wouldn't say he's doing a better job than, say, Michael Laudrup, who hasn't got a sheikh bankrolling him. So with PDC we can accept his achievements but we'll only know how good a manager he is when he's further along in his career. If he goes to WHU, and gets them to punch above their weight then that shows his ability. But if he goes there, has more to spend than a lot of other clubs, and they end up in the bottom three then maybe he'll have been found out a little.[/p][/quote]Ah but Gary Johnson,failed at Bristol City with a load of money,failed at the Cobblers!so it seems he can only do it at Yeovil where he has no pressure,the more money a manager has to spend the more pressure and he has to succeed,no money no pressure,two sides to every story Jeremy!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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1:10pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

35 year fan wrote:
PDC and Spencer wil be absolutely seething at this and will very soon be coming after the club for compensation/fees they will say they are due for being forced out, Spencers loan deals being blocked etc.
Can't see how they'd have a leg to stand on with any of that - the board are surely entitled to block any deals that they feel are not in the club's interests (and the club not being able to afford them certainly falls within that).
[quote][p][bold]35 year fan[/bold] wrote: PDC and Spencer wil be absolutely seething at this and will very soon be coming after the club for compensation/fees they will say they are due for being forced out, Spencers loan deals being blocked etc.[/p][/quote]Can't see how they'd have a leg to stand on with any of that - the board are surely entitled to block any deals that they feel are not in the club's interests (and the club not being able to afford them certainly falls within that). Jeremy Hilary Boob
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1:10pm Fri 22 Feb 13

badger58 says...

Firstly a huge thankyou to AB for saving our club . Secondly a huge thankyou to PDC for an incredible 18 mths on the pitch , will be a legend at STFC in my eyes.
Disappointed in the way he left but that is PDC he is his own man and imo felt he was STFC . Can't see a big club taking a chance on him but could be proved wrong ,
Be interesting to know the player's views on Paolo ,on his public rants on individuals . Surely they must of got annoyed after a good win and all the chants were for PDC ? Who knows maybe some of them played in fear of doing something wrong and getting hauled off ?
Anyway our club moves on hopefully to the championship although we do have the hardest run in , but in these players our squad is more than capable COYMR
Firstly a huge thankyou to AB for saving our club . Secondly a huge thankyou to PDC for an incredible 18 mths on the pitch , will be a legend at STFC in my eyes. Disappointed in the way he left but that is PDC he is his own man and imo felt he was STFC . Can't see a big club taking a chance on him but could be proved wrong , Be interesting to know the player's views on Paolo ,on his public rants on individuals . Surely they must of got annoyed after a good win and all the chants were for PDC ? Who knows maybe some of them played in fear of doing something wrong and getting hauled off ? Anyway our club moves on hopefully to the championship although we do have the hardest run in , but in these players our squad is more than capable COYMR badger58
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1:12pm Fri 22 Feb 13

stanharlands6shirt says...

Graham8181 wrote:
Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now

No matter how much this debate will
Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes
NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team..

DiCanio did not set his own budget.

If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself.

I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel....

PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes[/p][/quote]NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven... stanharlands6shirt
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1:29pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now

No matter how much this debate will
Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes
NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team..

DiCanio did not set his own budget.

If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself.

I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel....

PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...
PdC demanded more & more, Where did the money come from to clear the transfer embargo?
[quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes[/p][/quote]NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...[/p][/quote]PdC demanded more & more, Where did the money come from to clear the transfer embargo? Davidsyrett
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1:30pm Fri 22 Feb 13

madterrier says...

Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
35 year fan wrote:
PDC and Spencer wil be absolutely seething at this and will very soon be coming after the club for compensation/fees they will say they are due for being forced out, Spencers loan deals being blocked etc.
Can't see how they'd have a leg to stand on with any of that - the board are surely entitled to block any deals that they feel are not in the club's interests (and the club not being able to afford them certainly falls within that).
The constructive dismissal possibility would seem to relate to the sale of Ritchie without PDC knowing, rather than not paying for loan signings.

Apparently Curbishley had it in his contract that players could not be sold without his consent. But after that case ended up costing West Ham £2m, would any club be daft enough to put a clause like that in a manager's contract.....?
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]35 year fan[/bold] wrote: PDC and Spencer wil be absolutely seething at this and will very soon be coming after the club for compensation/fees they will say they are due for being forced out, Spencers loan deals being blocked etc.[/p][/quote]Can't see how they'd have a leg to stand on with any of that - the board are surely entitled to block any deals that they feel are not in the club's interests (and the club not being able to afford them certainly falls within that).[/p][/quote]The constructive dismissal possibility would seem to relate to the sale of Ritchie without PDC knowing, rather than not paying for loan signings. Apparently Curbishley had it in his contract that players could not be sold without his consent. But after that case ended up costing West Ham £2m, would any club be daft enough to put a clause like that in a manager's contract.....? madterrier
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1:31pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Oxon-Red says...

stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Graham8181 wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes
NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...
Did Paolo work within his budget though ?

As I said earlier it appears that Jay Wray has been weak and added to the budget using AB's money.

I am of the opinion that the beloved Wray has let both sides down here.

Mr Black has said above that he funded this club against his wishes during last season and had agreed to do it again this season while he sought a buyer. That shows incredible loyalty to us the fans IMO as he could easily have pulled out and left up the creek without a paddle.

It was only when the budget set by him started to be increased against his wishes that he started to apply the brakes by sacking Wray.

Paolo has been let down as well. Not by Mr Black but by JW bowing to his every demand.

As I said above I hope this unhappy episode is not dragged out as it could get nasty and Paolo will do himself more harm than good if he does continue to pursue it.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes[/p][/quote]NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...[/p][/quote]Did Paolo work within his budget though ? As I said earlier it appears that Jay Wray has been weak and added to the budget using AB's money. I am of the opinion that the beloved Wray has let both sides down here. Mr Black has said above that he funded this club against his wishes during last season and had agreed to do it again this season while he sought a buyer. That shows incredible loyalty to us the fans IMO as he could easily have pulled out and left up the creek without a paddle. It was only when the budget set by him started to be increased against his wishes that he started to apply the brakes by sacking Wray. Paolo has been let down as well. Not by Mr Black but by JW bowing to his every demand. As I said above I hope this unhappy episode is not dragged out as it could get nasty and Paolo will do himself more harm than good if he does continue to pursue it. COYMR Oxon-Red
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1:41pm Fri 22 Feb 13

SimonPrice351 says...

Can only add to the above comments.

Thank you Andrew, and good luck for the future.
Can only add to the above comments. Thank you Andrew, and good luck for the future. SimonPrice351
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1:51pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

It's funny but "Guv" & "LR" have disappeared from the forum at the same time, I wonder!!
It's funny but "Guv" & "LR" have disappeared from the forum at the same time, I wonder!! Davidsyrett
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2:04pm Fri 22 Feb 13

stanharlands6shirt says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Graham8181 wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes
NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...
Did Paolo work within his budget though ?

As I said earlier it appears that Jay Wray has been weak and added to the budget using AB's money.

I am of the opinion that the beloved Wray has let both sides down here.

Mr Black has said above that he funded this club against his wishes during last season and had agreed to do it again this season while he sought a buyer. That shows incredible loyalty to us the fans IMO as he could easily have pulled out and left up the creek without a paddle.

It was only when the budget set by him started to be increased against his wishes that he started to apply the brakes by sacking Wray.

Paolo has been let down as well. Not by Mr Black but by JW bowing to his every demand.

As I said above I hope this unhappy episode is not dragged out as it could get nasty and Paolo will do himself more harm than good if he does continue to pursue it.

COYMR
oxen-red, I fully appreciate your desire for this not to be DRAGGED OUT, and I echo those sentiments.

However playing devil advocate, to me it appears that Paolo could have broadsided our clubs former directors over many issues before now, but in doing so would he start another car crash that may well ruin all the work he and his staff had put in up until last Tuesday evening.

Could it be that he is still trying to protect the team. I do not know. BUT THAT IS THE POINT HERE..NO ONE THAT I AM AWARE OF THAT HAS POSTED ON THIS SITE KNOWS THE TRUTH.

So if Mr Black, or Mr Patey puts an article in the press or on twitter, Paolo surely has to consider if it is damaging his reputation, and if it is, then he must decide if or how to respond.

No one else is going to stand up for him. THEY CAN'T, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW..

The same can be said of Mr Wray. He gets a verbal kicking of Mr Black and it seems many accept it as fact. It may well be, but again,WE DO NOT KNOW. We are only hearing one side of a story.

That being the case, as much as it may hurt, I feel Paolo's side needs to be heard to redress the balance.

On a positive note, and again, only if it's true, and we do not know, but if it is true that Mr McCory and Paolo have been talking or are going to talk, then surely that can only be a good thing and hopefully the start of repairing broken bridges.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes[/p][/quote]NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...[/p][/quote]Did Paolo work within his budget though ? As I said earlier it appears that Jay Wray has been weak and added to the budget using AB's money. I am of the opinion that the beloved Wray has let both sides down here. Mr Black has said above that he funded this club against his wishes during last season and had agreed to do it again this season while he sought a buyer. That shows incredible loyalty to us the fans IMO as he could easily have pulled out and left up the creek without a paddle. It was only when the budget set by him started to be increased against his wishes that he started to apply the brakes by sacking Wray. Paolo has been let down as well. Not by Mr Black but by JW bowing to his every demand. As I said above I hope this unhappy episode is not dragged out as it could get nasty and Paolo will do himself more harm than good if he does continue to pursue it. COYMR[/p][/quote]oxen-red, I fully appreciate your desire for this not to be DRAGGED OUT, and I echo those sentiments. However playing devil advocate, to me it appears that Paolo could have broadsided our clubs former directors over many issues before now, but in doing so would he start another car crash that may well ruin all the work he and his staff had put in up until last Tuesday evening. Could it be that he is still trying to protect the team. I do not know. BUT THAT IS THE POINT HERE..NO ONE THAT I AM AWARE OF THAT HAS POSTED ON THIS SITE KNOWS THE TRUTH. So if Mr Black, or Mr Patey puts an article in the press or on twitter, Paolo surely has to consider if it is damaging his reputation, and if it is, then he must decide if or how to respond. No one else is going to stand up for him. THEY CAN'T, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW.. The same can be said of Mr Wray. He gets a verbal kicking of Mr Black and it seems many accept it as fact. It may well be, but again,WE DO NOT KNOW. We are only hearing one side of a story. That being the case, as much as it may hurt, I feel Paolo's side needs to be heard to redress the balance. On a positive note, and again, only if it's true, and we do not know, but if it is true that Mr McCory and Paolo have been talking or are going to talk, then surely that can only be a good thing and hopefully the start of repairing broken bridges. stanharlands6shirt
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2:04pm Fri 22 Feb 13

stanharlands6shirt says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Graham8181 wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes
NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...
Did Paolo work within his budget though ?

As I said earlier it appears that Jay Wray has been weak and added to the budget using AB's money.

I am of the opinion that the beloved Wray has let both sides down here.

Mr Black has said above that he funded this club against his wishes during last season and had agreed to do it again this season while he sought a buyer. That shows incredible loyalty to us the fans IMO as he could easily have pulled out and left up the creek without a paddle.

It was only when the budget set by him started to be increased against his wishes that he started to apply the brakes by sacking Wray.

Paolo has been let down as well. Not by Mr Black but by JW bowing to his every demand.

As I said above I hope this unhappy episode is not dragged out as it could get nasty and Paolo will do himself more harm than good if he does continue to pursue it.

COYMR
oxen-red, I fully appreciate your desire for this not to be DRAGGED OUT, and I echo those sentiments.

However playing devil advocate, to me it appears that Paolo could have broadsided our clubs former directors over many issues before now, but in doing so would he start another car crash that may well ruin all the work he and his staff had put in up until last Tuesday evening.

Could it be that he is still trying to protect the team. I do not know. BUT THAT IS THE POINT HERE..NO ONE THAT I AM AWARE OF THAT HAS POSTED ON THIS SITE KNOWS THE TRUTH.

So if Mr Black, or Mr Patey puts an article in the press or on twitter, Paolo surely has to consider if it is damaging his reputation, and if it is, then he must decide if or how to respond.

No one else is going to stand up for him. THEY CAN'T, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW..

The same can be said of Mr Wray. He gets a verbal kicking of Mr Black and it seems many accept it as fact. It may well be, but again,WE DO NOT KNOW. We are only hearing one side of a story.

That being the case, as much as it may hurt, I feel Paolo's side needs to be heard to redress the balance.

On a positive note, and again, only if it's true, and we do not know, but if it is true that Mr McCory and Paolo have been talking or are going to talk, then surely that can only be a good thing and hopefully the start of repairing broken bridges.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes[/p][/quote]NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...[/p][/quote]Did Paolo work within his budget though ? As I said earlier it appears that Jay Wray has been weak and added to the budget using AB's money. I am of the opinion that the beloved Wray has let both sides down here. Mr Black has said above that he funded this club against his wishes during last season and had agreed to do it again this season while he sought a buyer. That shows incredible loyalty to us the fans IMO as he could easily have pulled out and left up the creek without a paddle. It was only when the budget set by him started to be increased against his wishes that he started to apply the brakes by sacking Wray. Paolo has been let down as well. Not by Mr Black but by JW bowing to his every demand. As I said above I hope this unhappy episode is not dragged out as it could get nasty and Paolo will do himself more harm than good if he does continue to pursue it. COYMR[/p][/quote]oxen-red, I fully appreciate your desire for this not to be DRAGGED OUT, and I echo those sentiments. However playing devil advocate, to me it appears that Paolo could have broadsided our clubs former directors over many issues before now, but in doing so would he start another car crash that may well ruin all the work he and his staff had put in up until last Tuesday evening. Could it be that he is still trying to protect the team. I do not know. BUT THAT IS THE POINT HERE..NO ONE THAT I AM AWARE OF THAT HAS POSTED ON THIS SITE KNOWS THE TRUTH. So if Mr Black, or Mr Patey puts an article in the press or on twitter, Paolo surely has to consider if it is damaging his reputation, and if it is, then he must decide if or how to respond. No one else is going to stand up for him. THEY CAN'T, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW.. The same can be said of Mr Wray. He gets a verbal kicking of Mr Black and it seems many accept it as fact. It may well be, but again,WE DO NOT KNOW. We are only hearing one side of a story. That being the case, as much as it may hurt, I feel Paolo's side needs to be heard to redress the balance. On a positive note, and again, only if it's true, and we do not know, but if it is true that Mr McCory and Paolo have been talking or are going to talk, then surely that can only be a good thing and hopefully the start of repairing broken bridges. stanharlands6shirt
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2:25pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Oxon-Red says...

stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Graham8181 wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes
NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...
Did Paolo work within his budget though ? As I said earlier it appears that Jay Wray has been weak and added to the budget using AB's money. I am of the opinion that the beloved Wray has let both sides down here. Mr Black has said above that he funded this club against his wishes during last season and had agreed to do it again this season while he sought a buyer. That shows incredible loyalty to us the fans IMO as he could easily have pulled out and left up the creek without a paddle. It was only when the budget set by him started to be increased against his wishes that he started to apply the brakes by sacking Wray. Paolo has been let down as well. Not by Mr Black but by JW bowing to his every demand. As I said above I hope this unhappy episode is not dragged out as it could get nasty and Paolo will do himself more harm than good if he does continue to pursue it. COYMR
oxen-red, I fully appreciate your desire for this not to be DRAGGED OUT, and I echo those sentiments. However playing devil advocate, to me it appears that Paolo could have broadsided our clubs former directors over many issues before now, but in doing so would he start another car crash that may well ruin all the work he and his staff had put in up until last Tuesday evening. Could it be that he is still trying to protect the team. I do not know. BUT THAT IS THE POINT HERE..NO ONE THAT I AM AWARE OF THAT HAS POSTED ON THIS SITE KNOWS THE TRUTH. So if Mr Black, or Mr Patey puts an article in the press or on twitter, Paolo surely has to consider if it is damaging his reputation, and if it is, then he must decide if or how to respond. No one else is going to stand up for him. THEY CAN'T, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW.. The same can be said of Mr Wray. He gets a verbal kicking of Mr Black and it seems many accept it as fact. It may well be, but again,WE DO NOT KNOW. We are only hearing one side of a story. That being the case, as much as it may hurt, I feel Paolo's side needs to be heard to redress the balance. On a positive note, and again, only if it's true, and we do not know, but if it is true that Mr McCory and Paolo have been talking or are going to talk, then surely that can only be a good thing and hopefully the start of repairing broken bridges.
Fair point and I think you are right that Paolo should have the right to reply. I am worried that it will turn into a slanging match that drags on and on and in the end does no-one any good.

With regard to JW I am inclined to believe Black here. The transfer embargo was placed on Town and someone lost their job. It is this which leads me to believe that both Black and Paolo have been let down.

Horrible saying but 'at the end of the day' STFC has the chance to start again. A new beginning at the top of the league.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes[/p][/quote]NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...[/p][/quote]Did Paolo work within his budget though ? As I said earlier it appears that Jay Wray has been weak and added to the budget using AB's money. I am of the opinion that the beloved Wray has let both sides down here. Mr Black has said above that he funded this club against his wishes during last season and had agreed to do it again this season while he sought a buyer. That shows incredible loyalty to us the fans IMO as he could easily have pulled out and left up the creek without a paddle. It was only when the budget set by him started to be increased against his wishes that he started to apply the brakes by sacking Wray. Paolo has been let down as well. Not by Mr Black but by JW bowing to his every demand. As I said above I hope this unhappy episode is not dragged out as it could get nasty and Paolo will do himself more harm than good if he does continue to pursue it. COYMR[/p][/quote]oxen-red, I fully appreciate your desire for this not to be DRAGGED OUT, and I echo those sentiments. However playing devil advocate, to me it appears that Paolo could have broadsided our clubs former directors over many issues before now, but in doing so would he start another car crash that may well ruin all the work he and his staff had put in up until last Tuesday evening. Could it be that he is still trying to protect the team. I do not know. BUT THAT IS THE POINT HERE..NO ONE THAT I AM AWARE OF THAT HAS POSTED ON THIS SITE KNOWS THE TRUTH. So if Mr Black, or Mr Patey puts an article in the press or on twitter, Paolo surely has to consider if it is damaging his reputation, and if it is, then he must decide if or how to respond. No one else is going to stand up for him. THEY CAN'T, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW.. The same can be said of Mr Wray. He gets a verbal kicking of Mr Black and it seems many accept it as fact. It may well be, but again,WE DO NOT KNOW. We are only hearing one side of a story. That being the case, as much as it may hurt, I feel Paolo's side needs to be heard to redress the balance. On a positive note, and again, only if it's true, and we do not know, but if it is true that Mr McCory and Paolo have been talking or are going to talk, then surely that can only be a good thing and hopefully the start of repairing broken bridges.[/p][/quote]Fair point and I think you are right that Paolo should have the right to reply. I am worried that it will turn into a slanging match that drags on and on and in the end does no-one any good. With regard to JW I am inclined to believe Black here. The transfer embargo was placed on Town and someone lost their job. It is this which leads me to believe that both Black and Paolo have been let down. Horrible saying but 'at the end of the day' STFC has the chance to start again. A new beginning at the top of the league. COYMR Oxon-Red
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2:29pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Wilesy says...

Can see this going one of two ways.

Jed patches things up with Paolo, who comes back and keeps his views on Black et al under wraps for now.

All hell breaks loose, with Paolo defending his name and giving warts and all revelations of his time at Swindon, doing no-one any good.

I believe this is the first time since he has been at the club that he has received anything other than glowing public comments from the STFC ivory towers, and these comments from SWP and Black will upset him plus he will surely want to defend his reputation.

I think he'll kick off big time, unless Jed can sort things out.

Can't see him returning now though. With regret maybe it's for the best. Just hope he doesn't do himself more harm than good career-wise....
Can see this going one of two ways. Jed patches things up with Paolo, who comes back and keeps his views on Black et al under wraps for now. All hell breaks loose, with Paolo defending his name and giving warts and all revelations of his time at Swindon, doing no-one any good. I believe this is the first time since he has been at the club that he has received anything other than glowing public comments from the STFC ivory towers, and these comments from SWP and Black will upset him plus he will surely want to defend his reputation. I think he'll kick off big time, unless Jed can sort things out. Can't see him returning now though. With regret maybe it's for the best. Just hope he doesn't do himself more harm than good career-wise.... Wilesy
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2:53pm Fri 22 Feb 13

MITTED says...

At last we hear something constructivefrom Andrew Black, albeit one-side, it's only taken 5 years!!!! But it does take two to tango. Andrew, most Town fans will always be grateful for your investment of money, however, you can hardly complain when you kept yourself at such a distance and only got involved when you felt the need to throw a tantrum. I recall reading your blog after the Charlton play-off second leg - you left before the penalties started just to beat the traffic!!!! You must have been the only person in the stadium that night to leave early. It was clear to me then that your (self inflicted) involvement with the club was bizaar to say the least. You blame PDC for not being able to manage upwards, but you need to take a look at yourself because you clearly did not manage downwards. The basic rule of management is, if it's wrong at the bottom, then it's wrong at the top. Anyway, it's a real shame that so much damage has been done. You almost took our club out of existence these past 4 weeks despite your promise not to cause a car-crash, I just hope that we can see an end to this sorry saga and move on. For all Town fans, promotion in May will be a welcome tonic.
COYR
At last we hear something constructivefrom Andrew Black, albeit one-side, it's only taken 5 years!!!! But it does take two to tango. Andrew, most Town fans will always be grateful for your investment of money, however, you can hardly complain when you kept yourself at such a distance and only got involved when you felt the need to throw a tantrum. I recall reading your blog after the Charlton play-off second leg - you left before the penalties started just to beat the traffic!!!! You must have been the only person in the stadium that night to leave early. It was clear to me then that your (self inflicted) involvement with the club was bizaar to say the least. You blame PDC for not being able to manage upwards, but you need to take a look at yourself because you clearly did not manage downwards. The basic rule of management is, if it's wrong at the bottom, then it's wrong at the top. Anyway, it's a real shame that so much damage has been done. You almost took our club out of existence these past 4 weeks despite your promise not to cause a car-crash, I just hope that we can see an end to this sorry saga and move on. For all Town fans, promotion in May will be a welcome tonic. COYR MITTED
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3:08pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

I still don't understand why PDC thought his job was impossible, when he was able to work with resources beyond the wildest dreams of most of his rivals. I'm disappointed but not in the least bit surprised at the way it's ended. His frequent aggressive and theatrical outbursts towards the club were a strong clue as to the way it was going. Everything Andrew Black has said rings true. If he's made it up, he's not only a superhuman genius with a fertile imagination but he's also a highly devious and mean spirited individual - which hardly seems consistent with being happy to sit in the background and effectively pay off millions of pounds of debt owed by the club. What a b@stard, eh?
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The last thing we need is for this thing to drag on and distract everyone from the real business of winning promotion. Tomorrow's performance and result are crucial. I'd go as far as to say a good showing and a win might well see us march on to the title; a weak performance could see us slide rapidly down the table. I'm very excited and very apprehensive about tomorrow.
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Goodbye and many thanks to Black and Di Canio. Hello to the future - with fingers firmly crossed.
I still don't understand why PDC thought his job was impossible, when he was able to work with resources beyond the wildest dreams of most of his rivals. I'm disappointed but not in the least bit surprised at the way it's ended. His frequent aggressive and theatrical outbursts towards the club were a strong clue as to the way it was going. Everything Andrew Black has said rings true. If he's made it up, he's not only a superhuman genius with a fertile imagination but he's also a highly devious and mean spirited individual - which hardly seems consistent with being happy to sit in the background and effectively pay off millions of pounds of debt owed by the club. What a b@stard, eh? . The last thing we need is for this thing to drag on and distract everyone from the real business of winning promotion. Tomorrow's performance and result are crucial. I'd go as far as to say a good showing and a win might well see us march on to the title; a weak performance could see us slide rapidly down the table. I'm very excited and very apprehensive about tomorrow. . Goodbye and many thanks to Black and Di Canio. Hello to the future - with fingers firmly crossed. Oi Den!
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3:20pm Fri 22 Feb 13

the don69 says...

MITTED wrote:
At last we hear something constructivefrom Andrew Black, albeit one-side, it's only taken 5 years!!!! But it does take two to tango. Andrew, most Town fans will always be grateful for your investment of money, however, you can hardly complain when you kept yourself at such a distance and only got involved when you felt the need to throw a tantrum. I recall reading your blog after the Charlton play-off second leg - you left before the penalties started just to beat the traffic!!!! You must have been the only person in the stadium that night to leave early. It was clear to me then that your (self inflicted) involvement with the club was bizaar to say the least. You blame PDC for not being able to manage upwards, but you need to take a look at yourself because you clearly did not manage downwards. The basic rule of management is, if it's wrong at the bottom, then it's wrong at the top. Anyway, it's a real shame that so much damage has been done. You almost took our club out of existence these past 4 weeks despite your promise not to cause a car-crash, I just hope that we can see an end to this sorry saga and move on. For all Town fans, promotion in May will be a welcome tonic.
COYR
Very Good Mitted!says it all,not bovered much with football,his heart wasn't in it!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: At last we hear something constructivefrom Andrew Black, albeit one-side, it's only taken 5 years!!!! But it does take two to tango. Andrew, most Town fans will always be grateful for your investment of money, however, you can hardly complain when you kept yourself at such a distance and only got involved when you felt the need to throw a tantrum. I recall reading your blog after the Charlton play-off second leg - you left before the penalties started just to beat the traffic!!!! You must have been the only person in the stadium that night to leave early. It was clear to me then that your (self inflicted) involvement with the club was bizaar to say the least. You blame PDC for not being able to manage upwards, but you need to take a look at yourself because you clearly did not manage downwards. The basic rule of management is, if it's wrong at the bottom, then it's wrong at the top. Anyway, it's a real shame that so much damage has been done. You almost took our club out of existence these past 4 weeks despite your promise not to cause a car-crash, I just hope that we can see an end to this sorry saga and move on. For all Town fans, promotion in May will be a welcome tonic. COYR[/p][/quote]Very Good Mitted!says it all,not bovered much with football,his heart wasn't in it!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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3:26pm Fri 22 Feb 13

stfclondon says...

His heart might not have been in it, but his wallet was!
His heart might not have been in it, but his wallet was! stfclondon
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3:37pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

madterrier wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
35 year fan wrote:
PDC and Spencer wil be absolutely seething at this and will very soon be coming after the club for compensation/fees they will say they are due for being forced out, Spencers loan deals being blocked etc.
Can't see how they'd have a leg to stand on with any of that - the board are surely entitled to block any deals that they feel are not in the club's interests (and the club not being able to afford them certainly falls within that).
The constructive dismissal possibility would seem to relate to the sale of Ritchie without PDC knowing, rather than not paying for loan signings.

Apparently Curbishley had it in his contract that players could not be sold without his consent. But after that case ended up costing West Ham £2m, would any club be daft enough to put a clause like that in a manager's contract.....?
I doubt it. And if the Town could argue that it was selling Ritchie or administration, I'm not sure that having it in PDC's contract would be enough to justify a constructive dismissal claim
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]35 year fan[/bold] wrote: PDC and Spencer wil be absolutely seething at this and will very soon be coming after the club for compensation/fees they will say they are due for being forced out, Spencers loan deals being blocked etc.[/p][/quote]Can't see how they'd have a leg to stand on with any of that - the board are surely entitled to block any deals that they feel are not in the club's interests (and the club not being able to afford them certainly falls within that).[/p][/quote]The constructive dismissal possibility would seem to relate to the sale of Ritchie without PDC knowing, rather than not paying for loan signings. Apparently Curbishley had it in his contract that players could not be sold without his consent. But after that case ended up costing West Ham £2m, would any club be daft enough to put a clause like that in a manager's contract.....?[/p][/quote]I doubt it. And if the Town could argue that it was selling Ritchie or administration, I'm not sure that having it in PDC's contract would be enough to justify a constructive dismissal claim Jeremy Hilary Boob
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3:39pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

stfclondon wrote:
His heart might not have been in it, but his wallet was!
Exactly london. I wouldn't say no to another investor who wanted to fund the club without having any involvement in it. Hands up all those who would turn away another Andrew Black bearing several million quid to put in.
[quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: His heart might not have been in it, but his wallet was![/p][/quote]Exactly london. I wouldn't say no to another investor who wanted to fund the club without having any involvement in it. Hands up all those who would turn away another Andrew Black bearing several million quid to put in. Oi Den!
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4:00pm Fri 22 Feb 13

LydiardRED67 says...

Just had a chat with Jes in the club shop and aeems a really genuine guy. Honest and upfront.

He talked briefly about. What he has gone through to get this take over through and whatev happens in the future his efforts shouldn't go unnoticed. He slept in his lawyers for two days.

He mentioned what a stand up bloke AB was and that he desperately tried to get him to retain a small stake.

He also mentioned the plays are absolutely buzzing and how impressed he has been with Ward and Miller and how knowledgeable they are. I asked if they had an opportunity longer term and he said maybe.

He also emphasised that whatever the result on Saturday, it will not reflect on those two and went on to say how he has taken the mick out of Fraser, who is loving being back involved and seems to be well known to Jed.

He didn't offer too much comment on PDC only to say that he was still contacting Spencer last if only to be able to look into fanda eyes and say that at least he tried.

Like I said, he seems a straight bloke and as we were talking he was stood there with a junior STFC shirt in pink that he had promised a little girl on twitter.

Thumbs up from me.
Just had a chat with Jes in the club shop and aeems a really genuine guy. Honest and upfront. He talked briefly about. What he has gone through to get this take over through and whatev happens in the future his efforts shouldn't go unnoticed. He slept in his lawyers for two days. He mentioned what a stand up bloke AB was and that he desperately tried to get him to retain a small stake. He also mentioned the plays are absolutely buzzing and how impressed he has been with Ward and Miller and how knowledgeable they are. I asked if they had an opportunity longer term and he said maybe. He also emphasised that whatever the result on Saturday, it will not reflect on those two and went on to say how he has taken the mick out of Fraser, who is loving being back involved and seems to be well known to Jed. He didn't offer too much comment on PDC only to say that he was still contacting Spencer last if only to be able to look into fanda eyes and say that at least he tried. Like I said, he seems a straight bloke and as we were talking he was stood there with a junior STFC shirt in pink that he had promised a little girl on twitter. Thumbs up from me. LydiardRED67
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4:08pm Fri 22 Feb 13

joey butler says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Thank you Mr Black for not leaving a Car crash, Plane crash or any other type of crash that has been suggested.

Thank you for the investment and, it would appear, for writing off the clubs debts thus removing a massive millstone from round our necks.

I may get slaughtered for this but...

Thank you Mr Patey for your efforts in finding buyers for the club and saving it from god knows what. It is becoming clear how tricky your job was. Identifying what to say or not is the key to diplomacy and you have handled it well. I can now appreciate how difficult it must have been trying to appease both fans and Paolo.

Thank you Paolo for 18 fantastic months. You have instilled pride back into the fans of the club and you have left us with an incredible football team. I wish you well in the future.


I now fear that we will enter a war of words between the two sides but I hope that it can be avoided. It would, IMO, appear that Mr Wray has a lot to answer for.

JW has not said "NO" and in a way extended the credit limit on Paolo's credit card without permission. Paolo has made more and more demands and if JW had been firmer the January deadline would never have been implemented.

I hope it doesn't drag on as I now want to look forward and in that respect I welcome Jed and the new consortium. We have a great club, great players and fantastic fans.

ONWARDS and UPWARDS together from now.

COYMR
Oxon,

Yours is a very good post indeed, which I totally agree with.

The Adver report yesterday that we could have faced not only deducted points, but relegation or even expulsion from The League puts the situation in perspective.

I might just add that much as I like PDC, he often seems to be over dependent on his agent and needs to
change this tendency if he is to progress in management in the future
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Thank you Mr Black for not leaving a Car crash, Plane crash or any other type of crash that has been suggested. Thank you for the investment and, it would appear, for writing off the clubs debts thus removing a massive millstone from round our necks. I may get slaughtered for this but... Thank you Mr Patey for your efforts in finding buyers for the club and saving it from god knows what. It is becoming clear how tricky your job was. Identifying what to say or not is the key to diplomacy and you have handled it well. I can now appreciate how difficult it must have been trying to appease both fans and Paolo. Thank you Paolo for 18 fantastic months. You have instilled pride back into the fans of the club and you have left us with an incredible football team. I wish you well in the future. I now fear that we will enter a war of words between the two sides but I hope that it can be avoided. It would, IMO, appear that Mr Wray has a lot to answer for. JW has not said "NO" and in a way extended the credit limit on Paolo's credit card without permission. Paolo has made more and more demands and if JW had been firmer the January deadline would never have been implemented. I hope it doesn't drag on as I now want to look forward and in that respect I welcome Jed and the new consortium. We have a great club, great players and fantastic fans. ONWARDS and UPWARDS together from now. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, Yours is a very good post indeed, which I totally agree with. The Adver report yesterday that we could have faced not only deducted points, but relegation or even expulsion from The League puts the situation in perspective. I might just add that much as I like PDC, he often seems to be over dependent on his agent and needs to change this tendency if he is to progress in management in the future joey butler
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4:08pm Fri 22 Feb 13

LydiardRED67 says...

LydiardRED67 wrote:
Just had a chat with Jes in the club shop and aeems a really genuine guy. Honest and upfront.

He talked briefly about. What he has gone through to get this take over through and whatev happens in the future his efforts shouldn't go unnoticed. He slept in his lawyers for two days.

He mentioned what a stand up bloke AB was and that he desperately tried to get him to retain a small stake.

He also mentioned the plays are absolutely buzzing and how impressed he has been with Ward and Miller and how knowledgeable they are. I asked if they had an opportunity longer term and he said maybe.

He also emphasised that whatever the result on Saturday, it will not reflect on those two and went on to say how he has taken the mick out of Fraser, who is loving being back involved and seems to be well known to Jed.

He didn't offer too much comment on PDC only to say that he was still contacting Spencer last if only to be able to look into fanda eyes and say that at least he tried.

Like I said, he seems a straight bloke and as we were talking he was stood there with a junior STFC shirt in pink that he had promised a little girl on twitter.

Thumbs up from me.
Jed.
[quote][p][bold]LydiardRED67[/bold] wrote: Just had a chat with Jes in the club shop and aeems a really genuine guy. Honest and upfront. He talked briefly about. What he has gone through to get this take over through and whatev happens in the future his efforts shouldn't go unnoticed. He slept in his lawyers for two days. He mentioned what a stand up bloke AB was and that he desperately tried to get him to retain a small stake. He also mentioned the plays are absolutely buzzing and how impressed he has been with Ward and Miller and how knowledgeable they are. I asked if they had an opportunity longer term and he said maybe. He also emphasised that whatever the result on Saturday, it will not reflect on those two and went on to say how he has taken the mick out of Fraser, who is loving being back involved and seems to be well known to Jed. He didn't offer too much comment on PDC only to say that he was still contacting Spencer last if only to be able to look into fanda eyes and say that at least he tried. Like I said, he seems a straight bloke and as we were talking he was stood there with a junior STFC shirt in pink that he had promised a little girl on twitter. Thumbs up from me.[/p][/quote]Jed. LydiardRED67
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4:09pm Fri 22 Feb 13

hertz says...

I did hear someone that does a little casual work for Paolo and was mentioned over lunch that at the moment he is very upset , he did tell this person he would be staying around for about another 4 or 5 weeks . With an ego like Paolos I guess the hurt cuts that little bit deeper . Nobody at our club wishes any of the parties any hurt or pain I am sure , it was sort of fun while it lasted , we move on . Whats gate going to be tomorrow then ????
I did hear someone that does a little casual work for Paolo and was mentioned over lunch that at the moment he is very upset , he did tell this person he would be staying around for about another 4 or 5 weeks . With an ego like Paolos I guess the hurt cuts that little bit deeper . Nobody at our club wishes any of the parties any hurt or pain I am sure , it was sort of fun while it lasted , we move on . Whats gate going to be tomorrow then ???? hertz
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4:26pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Moonraker55 says...

Thank you Mr Black for the assistance you gave to the Club. I am just alarmed you saw the position as a short term tenure and I can't understand why, because fans are not short term. When you commit to a club your are committed to it, and no mater how you explain it, to abdicate that committment does not sit well. I understand you can't keep spending but I also understand there has to be communication and for me, reading your story and the problems you had with others, poor communication lies at the root of the problem. I am sorry you, Mr Wray and Mr Dicanio could not get along because when the fans and the town believed in the facade and it was good whilst it lasted.

So now its to a new Chapter of realism. Yes the target is to win the league, at the very least secure promotion, but the realism is that we must the find the resources to ensure we can at least maintain our position in the Championship. There is no point in going straight up to fall straight back down, So who ever manages the club, finances becomes key again.
Thank you Mr Black for the assistance you gave to the Club. I am just alarmed you saw the position as a short term tenure and I can't understand why, because fans are not short term. When you commit to a club your are committed to it, and no mater how you explain it, to abdicate that committment does not sit well. I understand you can't keep spending but I also understand there has to be communication and for me, reading your story and the problems you had with others, poor communication lies at the root of the problem. I am sorry you, Mr Wray and Mr Dicanio could not get along because when the fans and the town believed in the facade and it was good whilst it lasted. So now its to a new Chapter of realism. Yes the target is to win the league, at the very least secure promotion, but the realism is that we must the find the resources to ensure we can at least maintain our position in the Championship. There is no point in going straight up to fall straight back down, So who ever manages the club, finances becomes key again. Moonraker55
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4:31pm Fri 22 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
stfclondon wrote:
His heart might not have been in it, but his wallet was!
Exactly london. I wouldn't say no to another investor who wanted to fund the club without having any involvement in it. Hands up all those who would turn away another Andrew Black bearing several million quid to put in.
You pair of money Grabbers!are you Bankers?LOL?????????
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: His heart might not have been in it, but his wallet was![/p][/quote]Exactly london. I wouldn't say no to another investor who wanted to fund the club without having any involvement in it. Hands up all those who would turn away another Andrew Black bearing several million quid to put in.[/p][/quote]You pair of money Grabbers!are you Bankers?LOL????????? the don69
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4:43pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

hertz wrote:
I did hear someone that does a little casual work for Paolo and was mentioned over lunch that at the moment he is very upset , he did tell this person he would be staying around for about another 4 or 5 weeks . With an ego like Paolos I guess the hurt cuts that little bit deeper . Nobody at our club wishes any of the parties any hurt or pain I am sure , it was sort of fun while it lasted , we move on . Whats gate going to be tomorrow then ????
Agree nobody wants to see people hurt. I doubt that PDC actually wanted to leave the club. His on/off resignation may have been yet another act of brinkmanship designed to show that he was the one calling the tune. But his immense popularity can only count for so much, and his bluff was called. A sad ending. I wish PDC well.
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Gate tomorrow - 8,400?
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: I did hear someone that does a little casual work for Paolo and was mentioned over lunch that at the moment he is very upset , he did tell this person he would be staying around for about another 4 or 5 weeks . With an ego like Paolos I guess the hurt cuts that little bit deeper . Nobody at our club wishes any of the parties any hurt or pain I am sure , it was sort of fun while it lasted , we move on . Whats gate going to be tomorrow then ????[/p][/quote]Agree nobody wants to see people hurt. I doubt that PDC actually wanted to leave the club. His on/off resignation may have been yet another act of brinkmanship designed to show that he was the one calling the tune. But his immense popularity can only count for so much, and his bluff was called. A sad ending. I wish PDC well. . Gate tomorrow - 8,400? Oi Den!
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6:00pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Doctor red says...

redtilldead wrote:
So the otherside ofthe story is out - Thanks Mr Black, YOU saved our club.

Now PDC was good at self publicity but he's been trumped. The truth PDC is you had your toys taken away and like many a dictator before you ran. In to reverse like mussolini.

PDC your song should be played loud at the CG tomorrow. Liar by the Sex Pistols - go get the lyrics. Oh PDC there's only one mr bighead, Cloughie - now run on home and count your cash.

COYR

Now then lets go win this league.
Red till dead-You are so harsh did you not enjoy the ride?
This Italian one all his battles and that's why we are top again!

The Doc
[quote][p][bold]redtilldead[/bold] wrote: So the otherside ofthe story is out - Thanks Mr Black, YOU saved our club. Now PDC was good at self publicity but he's been trumped. The truth PDC is you had your toys taken away and like many a dictator before you ran. In to reverse like mussolini. PDC your song should be played loud at the CG tomorrow. Liar by the Sex Pistols - go get the lyrics. Oh PDC there's only one mr bighead, Cloughie - now run on home and count your cash. COYR Now then lets go win this league.[/p][/quote]Red till dead-You are so harsh did you not enjoy the ride? This Italian one all his battles and that's why we are top again! The Doc Doctor red
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6:29pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
madterrier wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
35 year fan wrote:
PDC and Spencer wil be absolutely seething at this and will very soon be coming after the club for compensation/fees they will say they are due for being forced out, Spencers loan deals being blocked etc.
Can't see how they'd have a leg to stand on with any of that - the board are surely entitled to block any deals that they feel are not in the club's interests (and the club not being able to afford them certainly falls within that).
The constructive dismissal possibility would seem to relate to the sale of Ritchie without PDC knowing, rather than not paying for loan signings.

Apparently Curbishley had it in his contract that players could not be sold without his consent. But after that case ended up costing West Ham £2m, would any club be daft enough to put a clause like that in a manager's contract.....?
I doubt it. And if the Town could argue that it was selling Ritchie or administration, I'm not sure that having it in PDC's contract would be enough to justify a constructive dismissal claim
And given that Curbishley hasn't worked in footie since it would be professional suicide to sue a club. No other club would want to touch him.
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]35 year fan[/bold] wrote: PDC and Spencer wil be absolutely seething at this and will very soon be coming after the club for compensation/fees they will say they are due for being forced out, Spencers loan deals being blocked etc.[/p][/quote]Can't see how they'd have a leg to stand on with any of that - the board are surely entitled to block any deals that they feel are not in the club's interests (and the club not being able to afford them certainly falls within that).[/p][/quote]The constructive dismissal possibility would seem to relate to the sale of Ritchie without PDC knowing, rather than not paying for loan signings. Apparently Curbishley had it in his contract that players could not be sold without his consent. But after that case ended up costing West Ham £2m, would any club be daft enough to put a clause like that in a manager's contract.....?[/p][/quote]I doubt it. And if the Town could argue that it was selling Ritchie or administration, I'm not sure that having it in PDC's contract would be enough to justify a constructive dismissal claim[/p][/quote]And given that Curbishley hasn't worked in footie since it would be professional suicide to sue a club. No other club would want to touch him. Pewsham Red
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6:30pm Fri 22 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

I see Jed has let wardy and miller go through the applicants for the vacant post. Very interesting news to me and a good idea,
Onwards and upwards
I see Jed has let wardy and miller go through the applicants for the vacant post. Very interesting news to me and a good idea, Onwards and upwards smirg kcab
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6:49pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

The saga is now over and we have both sides of the story and we are perhaps seeing the parties in a different light.

PDC has probably let us and himself down by the way he has gone about things. Most of us won't miss the negative aspects but we should not forget the positives.

Don't forget, it was less than two years ago we were sliding towards relegation with Danny Wilson stood arms folded on the touch line, watching a team that the year before should have gone up, seemingly incapable of doing anything about it.

The team was unfit, lazy, split into factions, devoid of spirit, ideas and direction and discipline on and off the pitch was a shambles.

Then if things couldn't get any worse we appointed Paul Hart, an uncharismatic stoic, to finish the job and take us down with a whimper.

Most of the team that took us down couldn't wait to clear off and we looked like a club on the ropes.

Then we appointed PDC, which raised a few eyebrows, including mine, who had to assemble practically a whole squad from scratch.

He made plenty of mistakes along the way and was allowed to do so, but he gave us a team to be proud of, who were fitter than any town side since Macari's days, beat more higher league opposition than any time I can remember and were disciplined both on and off the pitch.

His approach may have ruffled a few feathers, alienated players and upset some senior pros, but this was what was needed after Wilson.

We are all agreed that Andrew Black saved our club but before we start judging Paolo too harshly let's not forget how he transformed our team from a shambolic laughing stock to the pride of the town in less than two years.

Personally, after taking everything into consideration, I wouldn't have changed the last two years for the world.
The saga is now over and we have both sides of the story and we are perhaps seeing the parties in a different light. PDC has probably let us and himself down by the way he has gone about things. Most of us won't miss the negative aspects but we should not forget the positives. Don't forget, it was less than two years ago we were sliding towards relegation with Danny Wilson stood arms folded on the touch line, watching a team that the year before should have gone up, seemingly incapable of doing anything about it. The team was unfit, lazy, split into factions, devoid of spirit, ideas and direction and discipline on and off the pitch was a shambles. Then if things couldn't get any worse we appointed Paul Hart, an uncharismatic stoic, to finish the job and take us down with a whimper. Most of the team that took us down couldn't wait to clear off and we looked like a club on the ropes. Then we appointed PDC, which raised a few eyebrows, including mine, who had to assemble practically a whole squad from scratch. He made plenty of mistakes along the way and was allowed to do so, but he gave us a team to be proud of, who were fitter than any town side since Macari's days, beat more higher league opposition than any time I can remember and were disciplined both on and off the pitch. His approach may have ruffled a few feathers, alienated players and upset some senior pros, but this was what was needed after Wilson. We are all agreed that Andrew Black saved our club but before we start judging Paolo too harshly let's not forget how he transformed our team from a shambolic laughing stock to the pride of the town in less than two years. Personally, after taking everything into consideration, I wouldn't have changed the last two years for the world. Pewsham Red
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7:06pm Fri 22 Feb 13

pcowley says...

Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy!
Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy! pcowley
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7:09pm Fri 22 Feb 13

joey butler says...

smirg kcab wrote:
I see Jed has let wardy and miller go through the applicants for the vacant post. Very interesting news to me and a good idea,
Onwards and upwards
And Jed has already rejected Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, without even an interview.

Wardy and Miller explained that it would be impossible for the fans to fit such long names into County Ground songs, so that is two more off Jed's shortlist!!
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: I see Jed has let wardy and miller go through the applicants for the vacant post. Very interesting news to me and a good idea, Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]And Jed has already rejected Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, without even an interview. Wardy and Miller explained that it would be impossible for the fans to fit such long names into County Ground songs, so that is two more off Jed's shortlist!! joey butler
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7:11pm Fri 22 Feb 13

jayden says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
The saga is now over and we have both sides of the story and we are perhaps seeing the parties in a different light.

PDC has probably let us and himself down by the way he has gone about things. Most of us won't miss the negative aspects but we should not forget the positives.

Don't forget, it was less than two years ago we were sliding towards relegation with Danny Wilson stood arms folded on the touch line, watching a team that the year before should have gone up, seemingly incapable of doing anything about it.

The team was unfit, lazy, split into factions, devoid of spirit, ideas and direction and discipline on and off the pitch was a shambles.

Then if things couldn't get any worse we appointed Paul Hart, an uncharismatic stoic, to finish the job and take us down with a whimper.

Most of the team that took us down couldn't wait to clear off and we looked like a club on the ropes.

Then we appointed PDC, which raised a few eyebrows, including mine, who had to assemble practically a whole squad from scratch.

He made plenty of mistakes along the way and was allowed to do so, but he gave us a team to be proud of, who were fitter than any town side since Macari's days, beat more higher league opposition than any time I can remember and were disciplined both on and off the pitch.

His approach may have ruffled a few feathers, alienated players and upset some senior pros, but this was what was needed after Wilson.

We are all agreed that Andrew Black saved our club but before we start judging Paolo too harshly let's not forget how he transformed our team from a shambolic laughing stock to the pride of the town in less than two years.

Personally, after taking everything into consideration, I wouldn't have changed the last two years for the world.
I liked that post spot on and a little reminder to my goodself .
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: The saga is now over and we have both sides of the story and we are perhaps seeing the parties in a different light. PDC has probably let us and himself down by the way he has gone about things. Most of us won't miss the negative aspects but we should not forget the positives. Don't forget, it was less than two years ago we were sliding towards relegation with Danny Wilson stood arms folded on the touch line, watching a team that the year before should have gone up, seemingly incapable of doing anything about it. The team was unfit, lazy, split into factions, devoid of spirit, ideas and direction and discipline on and off the pitch was a shambles. Then if things couldn't get any worse we appointed Paul Hart, an uncharismatic stoic, to finish the job and take us down with a whimper. Most of the team that took us down couldn't wait to clear off and we looked like a club on the ropes. Then we appointed PDC, which raised a few eyebrows, including mine, who had to assemble practically a whole squad from scratch. He made plenty of mistakes along the way and was allowed to do so, but he gave us a team to be proud of, who were fitter than any town side since Macari's days, beat more higher league opposition than any time I can remember and were disciplined both on and off the pitch. His approach may have ruffled a few feathers, alienated players and upset some senior pros, but this was what was needed after Wilson. We are all agreed that Andrew Black saved our club but before we start judging Paolo too harshly let's not forget how he transformed our team from a shambolic laughing stock to the pride of the town in less than two years. Personally, after taking everything into consideration, I wouldn't have changed the last two years for the world.[/p][/quote]I liked that post spot on and a little reminder to my goodself . jayden
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7:16pm Fri 22 Feb 13

smirg kcab says...

joey butler wrote:
smirg kcab wrote: I see Jed has let wardy and miller go through the applicants for the vacant post. Very interesting news to me and a good idea, Onwards and upwards
And Jed has already rejected Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, without even an interview. Wardy and Miller explained that it would be impossible for the fans to fit such long names into County Ground songs, so that is two more off Jed's shortlist!!
That also rules out the loan signing of
Assombologabingbongb
ogo from Sarfend then?
Onwards and upwards
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: I see Jed has let wardy and miller go through the applicants for the vacant post. Very interesting news to me and a good idea, Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]And Jed has already rejected Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, without even an interview. Wardy and Miller explained that it would be impossible for the fans to fit such long names into County Ground songs, so that is two more off Jed's shortlist!![/p][/quote]That also rules out the loan signing of Assombologabingbongb ogo from Sarfend then? Onwards and upwards smirg kcab
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7:31pm Fri 22 Feb 13

fatman says...

Think Black I M O was involved because he thought out of redevloping and the money to be made ,sadly and gladly it never happened , sadly for Black gladly for us I would hate it if he was still leader with his fat wallet and looking to make it fatter glad it never happened
Think Black I M O was involved because he thought out of redevloping and the money to be made ,sadly and gladly it never happened , sadly for Black gladly for us I would hate it if he was still leader with his fat wallet and looking to make it fatter glad it never happened fatman
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7:35pm Fri 22 Feb 13

davel4848 says...

pcowley wrote:
Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy!
Get over it. Yes, ALL OF US will miss many aspects of PDC's reign but there were some things he did that we will not miss. We fans have to move on. Grieve if you must but as from tomorrow it is a new era for us all. Let's get right behind the team now, when they need us more than ever.
[quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy![/p][/quote]Get over it. Yes, ALL OF US will miss many aspects of PDC's reign but there were some things he did that we will not miss. We fans have to move on. Grieve if you must but as from tomorrow it is a new era for us all. Let's get right behind the team now, when they need us more than ever. davel4848
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7:37pm Fri 22 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Spare a thought for the poor Pompey fans chaps!could be more legal action there,after the old owner say he'll take the league to court if they don't consider a new offer!think how lucky we are to get this takeover sorted,lets just hope Jed and his Gang know what there doing and run our club in the right manner to budgets and stick to them!don't lose control of the finances!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!
Spare a thought for the poor Pompey fans chaps!could be more legal action there,after the old owner say he'll take the league to court if they don't consider a new offer!think how lucky we are to get this takeover sorted,lets just hope Jed and his Gang know what there doing and run our club in the right manner to budgets and stick to them!don't lose control of the finances!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! the don69
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7:38pm Fri 22 Feb 13

stfclondon says...

pcowley wrote:
Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy!
Di Canio imposed the 5pm Monday deadline, nobody else. He painted himself into a corner and had no option but to walk. I wonder if he's regretting it now?
[quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy![/p][/quote]Di Canio imposed the 5pm Monday deadline, nobody else. He painted himself into a corner and had no option but to walk. I wonder if he's regretting it now? stfclondon
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7:47pm Fri 22 Feb 13

robstfc says...

Of the 23 players we had available for wembley 12 months ago..... Only 7 remain..... That's just unbelievable..... And really shows how out of control finances have been....
Of the 23 players we had available for wembley 12 months ago..... Only 7 remain..... That's just unbelievable..... And really shows how out of control finances have been.... robstfc
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7:51pm Fri 22 Feb 13

pcowley says...

davel4848 wrote:
pcowley wrote:
Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy!
Get over it. Yes, ALL OF US will miss many aspects of PDC's reign but there were some things he did that we will not miss. We fans have to move on. Grieve if you must but as from tomorrow it is a new era for us all. Let's get right behind the team now, when they need us more than ever.
I will get over it once they have appointed a new manager.Then it depends if he does better than Di Canio.If he doesn't its a bad move.But i will support the team and have done for 30years but we can only see what happens next.Only saying I thought the whole thing was a joke with the way they handled the whole thing.You don't see any other club going through the things that happen at Swindon do you?
[quote][p][bold]davel4848[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy![/p][/quote]Get over it. Yes, ALL OF US will miss many aspects of PDC's reign but there were some things he did that we will not miss. We fans have to move on. Grieve if you must but as from tomorrow it is a new era for us all. Let's get right behind the team now, when they need us more than ever.[/p][/quote]I will get over it once they have appointed a new manager.Then it depends if he does better than Di Canio.If he doesn't its a bad move.But i will support the team and have done for 30years but we can only see what happens next.Only saying I thought the whole thing was a joke with the way they handled the whole thing.You don't see any other club going through the things that happen at Swindon do you? pcowley
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7:57pm Fri 22 Feb 13

pcowley says...

stfclondon wrote:
pcowley wrote:
Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy!
Di Canio imposed the 5pm Monday deadline, nobody else. He painted himself into a corner and had no option but to walk. I wonder if he's regretting it now?
So when they first appointed him who set the terms?It must have been the board.like I said if they didn't want him from day one don't offer him a contract in the first place.When the realised they couldn't continue to pump money in then they had to make him walk.ie promising and agreeing with him about a new contract but yes Di Canio wanted it on his terms.The board knew that so even though the offered him a contract they were playing the game, knowing he would walk when it doesn't happen.Black said he didn't like him!
[quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy![/p][/quote]Di Canio imposed the 5pm Monday deadline, nobody else. He painted himself into a corner and had no option but to walk. I wonder if he's regretting it now?[/p][/quote]So when they first appointed him who set the terms?It must have been the board.like I said if they didn't want him from day one don't offer him a contract in the first place.When the realised they couldn't continue to pump money in then they had to make him walk.ie promising and agreeing with him about a new contract but yes Di Canio wanted it on his terms.The board knew that so even though the offered him a contract they were playing the game, knowing he would walk when it doesn't happen.Black said he didn't like him! pcowley
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8:02pm Fri 22 Feb 13

didntshedoswell says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now

No matter how much this debate will
Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes
NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team..

DiCanio did not set his own budget.

If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself.

I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel....

PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...
PdC demanded more & more, Where did the money come from to clear the transfer embargo?
Black set a very healthy budget, wray mis-managed it.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes[/p][/quote]NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...[/p][/quote]PdC demanded more & more, Where did the money come from to clear the transfer embargo?[/p][/quote]Black set a very healthy budget, wray mis-managed it. didntshedoswell
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8:12pm Fri 22 Feb 13

pcowley says...

Also the first thing you do in any business takeover is you access the incomings and outgoings.Then you reduce the costs.ie make sure Di Canio and his team walk.Then fill those positions but using cheaper options
Also the first thing you do in any business takeover is you access the incomings and outgoings.Then you reduce the costs.ie make sure Di Canio and his team walk.Then fill those positions but using cheaper options pcowley
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8:17pm Fri 22 Feb 13

stfclondon says...

pcowley wrote:
stfclondon wrote:
pcowley wrote:
Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy!
Di Canio imposed the 5pm Monday deadline, nobody else. He painted himself into a corner and had no option but to walk. I wonder if he's regretting it now?
So when they first appointed him who set the terms?It must have been the board.like I said if they didn't want him from day one don't offer him a contract in the first place.When the realised they couldn't continue to pump money in then they had to make him walk.ie promising and agreeing with him about a new contract but yes Di Canio wanted it on his terms.The board knew that so even though the offered him a contract they were playing the game, knowing he would walk when it doesn't happen.Black said he didn't like him!
The old board appointed him, obviously. He resigned on Tuesday 12 February, but then agreed with the prospective new owners that he would stay on, subject to the takeover being completed by 5pm on Monday 18 February. This is all according to his own statement.

If someone says they're going to walk, it's nobody else's fault when they do walk!
[quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy![/p][/quote]Di Canio imposed the 5pm Monday deadline, nobody else. He painted himself into a corner and had no option but to walk. I wonder if he's regretting it now?[/p][/quote]So when they first appointed him who set the terms?It must have been the board.like I said if they didn't want him from day one don't offer him a contract in the first place.When the realised they couldn't continue to pump money in then they had to make him walk.ie promising and agreeing with him about a new contract but yes Di Canio wanted it on his terms.The board knew that so even though the offered him a contract they were playing the game, knowing he would walk when it doesn't happen.Black said he didn't like him![/p][/quote]The old board appointed him, obviously. He resigned on Tuesday 12 February, but then agreed with the prospective new owners that he would stay on, subject to the takeover being completed by 5pm on Monday 18 February. This is all according to his own statement. If someone says they're going to walk, it's nobody else's fault when they do walk! stfclondon
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8:43pm Fri 22 Feb 13

pcowley says...

stfclondon wrote:
pcowley wrote:
stfclondon wrote:
pcowley wrote:
Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy!
Di Canio imposed the 5pm Monday deadline, nobody else. He painted himself into a corner and had no option but to walk. I wonder if he's regretting it now?
So when they first appointed him who set the terms?It must have been the board.like I said if they didn't want him from day one don't offer him a contract in the first place.When the realised they couldn't continue to pump money in then they had to make him walk.ie promising and agreeing with him about a new contract but yes Di Canio wanted it on his terms.The board knew that so even though the offered him a contract they were playing the game, knowing he would walk when it doesn't happen.Black said he didn't like him!
The old board appointed him, obviously. He resigned on Tuesday 12 February, but then agreed with the prospective new owners that he would stay on, subject to the takeover being completed by 5pm on Monday 18 February. This is all according to his own statement.

If someone says they're going to walk, it's nobody else's fault when they do walk!
Yes but he walked because of promises that we're made and broken.If he walks off his own back he doesn't get any compensation.If we sack him we have to pay up his contract.Therefore they played the game,making sure he walked.Di Canio walked straight into the set plan.Just because they promised him something doesn't mean they have to do it?Its a lie. Di Canio was honest , why would he lie, if you are honest you say it how it is. it basically comes down to we couldn't afford to keep him and we couldn't continue to fund his needs.So they make him walk.simple!But it's a results business and results encourage people to go to games.Which increases the gates.Alot of people who haven't been to watch Swindon for years only came to watch Di Canio. The press and media were always at The County Ground because of Di Canio, which increases their image all across the country.when Hart was in charge were we ever mentioned on Sky Sports?Was Hart ever mentioned on Sky Sports?Exactly
[quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy![/p][/quote]Di Canio imposed the 5pm Monday deadline, nobody else. He painted himself into a corner and had no option but to walk. I wonder if he's regretting it now?[/p][/quote]So when they first appointed him who set the terms?It must have been the board.like I said if they didn't want him from day one don't offer him a contract in the first place.When the realised they couldn't continue to pump money in then they had to make him walk.ie promising and agreeing with him about a new contract but yes Di Canio wanted it on his terms.The board knew that so even though the offered him a contract they were playing the game, knowing he would walk when it doesn't happen.Black said he didn't like him![/p][/quote]The old board appointed him, obviously. He resigned on Tuesday 12 February, but then agreed with the prospective new owners that he would stay on, subject to the takeover being completed by 5pm on Monday 18 February. This is all according to his own statement. If someone says they're going to walk, it's nobody else's fault when they do walk![/p][/quote]Yes but he walked because of promises that we're made and broken.If he walks off his own back he doesn't get any compensation.If we sack him we have to pay up his contract.Therefore they played the game,making sure he walked.Di Canio walked straight into the set plan.Just because they promised him something doesn't mean they have to do it?Its a lie. Di Canio was honest , why would he lie, if you are honest you say it how it is. it basically comes down to we couldn't afford to keep him and we couldn't continue to fund his needs.So they make him walk.simple!But it's a results business and results encourage people to go to games.Which increases the gates.Alot of people who haven't been to watch Swindon for years only came to watch Di Canio. The press and media were always at The County Ground because of Di Canio, which increases their image all across the country.when Hart was in charge were we ever mentioned on Sky Sports?Was Hart ever mentioned on Sky Sports?Exactly pcowley
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9:17pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Oxon-Red says...

pcowley wrote:
stfclondon wrote:
pcowley wrote:
stfclondon wrote:
pcowley wrote: Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy!
Di Canio imposed the 5pm Monday deadline, nobody else. He painted himself into a corner and had no option but to walk. I wonder if he's regretting it now?
So when they first appointed him who set the terms?It must have been the board.like I said if they didn't want him from day one don't offer him a contract in the first place.When the realised they couldn't continue to pump money in then they had to make him walk.ie promising and agreeing with him about a new contract but yes Di Canio wanted it on his terms.The board knew that so even though the offered him a contract they were playing the game, knowing he would walk when it doesn't happen.Black said he didn't like him!
The old board appointed him, obviously. He resigned on Tuesday 12 February, but then agreed with the prospective new owners that he would stay on, subject to the takeover being completed by 5pm on Monday 18 February. This is all according to his own statement. If someone says they're going to walk, it's nobody else's fault when they do walk!
Yes but he walked because of promises that we're made and broken.If he walks off his own back he doesn't get any compensation.If we sack him we have to pay up his contract.Therefore they played the game,making sure he walked.Di Canio walked straight into the set plan.Just because they promised him something doesn't mean they have to do it?Its a lie. Di Canio was honest , why would he lie, if you are honest you say it how it is. it basically comes down to we couldn't afford to keep him and we couldn't continue to fund his needs.So they make him walk.simple!But it's a results business and results encourage people to go to games.Which increases the gates.Alot of people who haven't been to watch Swindon for years only came to watch Di Canio. The press and media were always at The County Ground because of Di Canio, which increases their image all across the country.when Hart was in charge were we ever mentioned on Sky Sports?Was Hart ever mentioned on Sky Sports?Exactly
Not sure you can say for definate that we could not afford him as I don't believe the new boys have spoken about finances yet.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy![/p][/quote]Di Canio imposed the 5pm Monday deadline, nobody else. He painted himself into a corner and had no option but to walk. I wonder if he's regretting it now?[/p][/quote]So when they first appointed him who set the terms?It must have been the board.like I said if they didn't want him from day one don't offer him a contract in the first place.When the realised they couldn't continue to pump money in then they had to make him walk.ie promising and agreeing with him about a new contract but yes Di Canio wanted it on his terms.The board knew that so even though the offered him a contract they were playing the game, knowing he would walk when it doesn't happen.Black said he didn't like him![/p][/quote]The old board appointed him, obviously. He resigned on Tuesday 12 February, but then agreed with the prospective new owners that he would stay on, subject to the takeover being completed by 5pm on Monday 18 February. This is all according to his own statement. If someone says they're going to walk, it's nobody else's fault when they do walk![/p][/quote]Yes but he walked because of promises that we're made and broken.If he walks off his own back he doesn't get any compensation.If we sack him we have to pay up his contract.Therefore they played the game,making sure he walked.Di Canio walked straight into the set plan.Just because they promised him something doesn't mean they have to do it?Its a lie. Di Canio was honest , why would he lie, if you are honest you say it how it is. it basically comes down to we couldn't afford to keep him and we couldn't continue to fund his needs.So they make him walk.simple!But it's a results business and results encourage people to go to games.Which increases the gates.Alot of people who haven't been to watch Swindon for years only came to watch Di Canio. The press and media were always at The County Ground because of Di Canio, which increases their image all across the country.when Hart was in charge were we ever mentioned on Sky Sports?Was Hart ever mentioned on Sky Sports?Exactly[/p][/quote]Not sure you can say for definate that we could not afford him as I don't believe the new boys have spoken about finances yet. COYMR Oxon-Red
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9:17pm Fri 22 Feb 13

LydiardRED67 says...

This has now turned into nothing more than Black vs Di Canio debate, and to me the Di Canio supporters are becoming a tad aggressive following Blacks statement.

For my part, a lot of this has to fall at Spencers feet, he is the silent one who has the most to say via Paolo's word perfect statements.

Wouldn't surprise me if he is bitter at losing his cut of the Ritchie transfer as he was not involved.

Roll on tomorrowvand lets get behind the lads. Jed says they are buzzing.
This has now turned into nothing more than Black vs Di Canio debate, and to me the Di Canio supporters are becoming a tad aggressive following Blacks statement. For my part, a lot of this has to fall at Spencers feet, he is the silent one who has the most to say via Paolo's word perfect statements. Wouldn't surprise me if he is bitter at losing his cut of the Ritchie transfer as he was not involved. Roll on tomorrowvand lets get behind the lads. Jed says they are buzzing. LydiardRED67
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9:22pm Fri 22 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Blimey Bury were winning 0-1,just looked again and it's 4-1 to Notts County
Blimey Bury were winning 0-1,just looked again and it's 4-1 to Notts County the don69
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9:23pm Fri 22 Feb 13

davel4848 says...

pcowley wrote:
stfclondon wrote:
pcowley wrote:
stfclondon wrote:
pcowley wrote:
Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy!
Di Canio imposed the 5pm Monday deadline, nobody else. He painted himself into a corner and had no option but to walk. I wonder if he's regretting it now?
So when they first appointed him who set the terms?It must have been the board.like I said if they didn't want him from day one don't offer him a contract in the first place.When the realised they couldn't continue to pump money in then they had to make him walk.ie promising and agreeing with him about a new contract but yes Di Canio wanted it on his terms.The board knew that so even though the offered him a contract they were playing the game, knowing he would walk when it doesn't happen.Black said he didn't like him!
The old board appointed him, obviously. He resigned on Tuesday 12 February, but then agreed with the prospective new owners that he would stay on, subject to the takeover being completed by 5pm on Monday 18 February. This is all according to his own statement.

If someone says they're going to walk, it's nobody else's fault when they do walk!
Yes but he walked because of promises that we're made and broken.If he walks off his own back he doesn't get any compensation.If we sack him we have to pay up his contract.Therefore they played the game,making sure he walked.Di Canio walked straight into the set plan.Just because they promised him something doesn't mean they have to do it?Its a lie. Di Canio was honest , why would he lie, if you are honest you say it how it is. it basically comes down to we couldn't afford to keep him and we couldn't continue to fund his needs.So they make him walk.simple!But it's a results business and results encourage people to go to games.Which increases the gates.Alot of people who haven't been to watch Swindon for years only came to watch Di Canio. The press and media were always at The County Ground because of Di Canio, which increases their image all across the country.when Hart was in charge were we ever mentioned on Sky Sports?Was Hart ever mentioned on Sky Sports?Exactly
Exactly what promises did Paolo have from the incoming owners ?. NONE. If you're talking about the 5pm deadline, this was not met, due to a delay in the outgoing owners settling a disputed bill for a loan player.
Paolo set the deadline. Paolo chose to walk. Yes, I'm sure he now regrets that decision but it was his decision.
Most of us are sorry he has gone and I'm sure all of us would have liked him to stay till the end of the season. It was fun but as I said earlier, now is the time to move on.
[quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcowley[/bold] wrote: Who offered Di Canio a contract in the first place?Thats the big question.If they didn't want him no one forced them to take him on and no one forced Black to pump all that money in?If they wanted a cheap option then don't offer Di Canio stupid wages in the first place.Like anyone of us,if you we're offered a massive pay increase to do your job you currently do then you would accept in.So someone mucked this up at the start.Therefore Di Canio did a fantastic job with the tools they kept on giving him.Still think they knew that if they gave Di Canio promises that they couldn't keep ie the deadline of the deal going through by Monday.Then Di Canio would react and walk.Then the board don't have to pay him or his team any compensation.Mission accomplished.I will miss everything about the guy![/p][/quote]Di Canio imposed the 5pm Monday deadline, nobody else. He painted himself into a corner and had no option but to walk. I wonder if he's regretting it now?[/p][/quote]So when they first appointed him who set the terms?It must have been the board.like I said if they didn't want him from day one don't offer him a contract in the first place.When the realised they couldn't continue to pump money in then they had to make him walk.ie promising and agreeing with him about a new contract but yes Di Canio wanted it on his terms.The board knew that so even though the offered him a contract they were playing the game, knowing he would walk when it doesn't happen.Black said he didn't like him![/p][/quote]The old board appointed him, obviously. He resigned on Tuesday 12 February, but then agreed with the prospective new owners that he would stay on, subject to the takeover being completed by 5pm on Monday 18 February. This is all according to his own statement. If someone says they're going to walk, it's nobody else's fault when they do walk![/p][/quote]Yes but he walked because of promises that we're made and broken.If he walks off his own back he doesn't get any compensation.If we sack him we have to pay up his contract.Therefore they played the game,making sure he walked.Di Canio walked straight into the set plan.Just because they promised him something doesn't mean they have to do it?Its a lie. Di Canio was honest , why would he lie, if you are honest you say it how it is. it basically comes down to we couldn't afford to keep him and we couldn't continue to fund his needs.So they make him walk.simple!But it's a results business and results encourage people to go to games.Which increases the gates.Alot of people who haven't been to watch Swindon for years only came to watch Di Canio. The press and media were always at The County Ground because of Di Canio, which increases their image all across the country.when Hart was in charge were we ever mentioned on Sky Sports?Was Hart ever mentioned on Sky Sports?Exactly[/p][/quote]Exactly what promises did Paolo have from the incoming owners ?. NONE. If you're talking about the 5pm deadline, this was not met, due to a delay in the outgoing owners settling a disputed bill for a loan player. Paolo set the deadline. Paolo chose to walk. Yes, I'm sure he now regrets that decision but it was his decision. Most of us are sorry he has gone and I'm sure all of us would have liked him to stay till the end of the season. It was fun but as I said earlier, now is the time to move on. davel4848
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9:28pm Fri 22 Feb 13

davel4848 says...

the don69 wrote:
Blimey Bury were winning 0-1,just looked again and it's 4-1 to Notts County
Yeah. Bury's defence has been shocking. Even Sheehan is having a good game compared to them.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Blimey Bury were winning 0-1,just looked again and it's 4-1 to Notts County[/p][/quote]Yeah. Bury's defence has been shocking. Even Sheehan is having a good game compared to them. davel4848
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9:31pm Fri 22 Feb 13

old town robin says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now

No matter how much this debate will
Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes
NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team..

DiCanio did not set his own budget.

If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself.

I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel....

PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...
PdC demanded more & more, Where did the money come from to clear the transfer embargo?
Dave, Get your facts right, before mouthing off. StanHarlands shirt is absolutely right, Paolo worked within the budget he was given. he was not responsible for exceeding the cap, the embargo came about because the financial gurus within the club f**ked up, they mistakingly thought they did not have to pay the tribunial fees within this years budget, therefore January's part of the budget had to be brought forward to november to get us out the sh*t. That was not the fault of Paolo and if it had not have happened the January budget would have been intact and we would not have been faced with selling off one of our prize assets for peanuts and probably been allowed to bring in the 3 quality loanees he agreed.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes[/p][/quote]NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...[/p][/quote]PdC demanded more & more, Where did the money come from to clear the transfer embargo?[/p][/quote]Dave, Get your facts right, before mouthing off. StanHarlands shirt is absolutely right, Paolo worked within the budget he was given. he was not responsible for exceeding the cap, the embargo came about because the financial gurus within the club f**ked up, they mistakingly thought they did not have to pay the tribunial fees within this years budget, therefore January's part of the budget had to be brought forward to november to get us out the sh*t. That was not the fault of Paolo and if it had not have happened the January budget would have been intact and we would not have been faced with selling off one of our prize assets for peanuts and probably been allowed to bring in the 3 quality loanees he agreed. old town robin
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9:44pm Fri 22 Feb 13

supersaver says...

Lets all stop the bickering..

Thankyou PDC for an exilerating ride.

Thankyou AB, without your money we would not have had the ride.

We are top of the league, lets ALL get down to the CG and get behind the team and stay top.
Lets all stop the bickering.. Thankyou PDC for an exilerating ride. Thankyou AB, without your money we would not have had the ride. We are top of the league, lets ALL get down to the CG and get behind the team and stay top. supersaver
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9:48pm Fri 22 Feb 13

the wizard says...

PDC has issued a statement this evening, this is where the muck will now start flying as he has seemingly engaged his legal advisers. I suppose both sides will start issuing writs and denials, everyone loses and the legal guys walk away laughing.
The wounded party strikes back. Its a big thing...... pride, sometimes you just have to swallow it and move on.
PDC has issued a statement this evening, this is where the muck will now start flying as he has seemingly engaged his legal advisers. I suppose both sides will start issuing writs and denials, everyone loses and the legal guys walk away laughing. The wounded party strikes back. Its a big thing...... pride, sometimes you just have to swallow it and move on. the wizard
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9:54pm Fri 22 Feb 13

swwindon61uk says...

Seems to me like PDC was calling the mew owners bluff and they actually did call it.
Comes across to me PDC put himself in a position and the end result was not the one he wanted but one he could have stopped by just saying i will wait until the deal is complete.
This to shows a strong show of strength from the new management,IF my above scenario is true, in that they are showing who is in charge.
Someone resigns,the boss does not have to chase them and beg them to stay.
Now in support of PDC,i have enjoyed most of his tenure here with his passion and professionalism and pride he showed and installed for Swindon.
Part of me on the back of my mind still says he will be back!
Seems to me like PDC was calling the mew owners bluff and they actually did call it. Comes across to me PDC put himself in a position and the end result was not the one he wanted but one he could have stopped by just saying i will wait until the deal is complete. This to shows a strong show of strength from the new management,IF my above scenario is true, in that they are showing who is in charge. Someone resigns,the boss does not have to chase them and beg them to stay. Now in support of PDC,i have enjoyed most of his tenure here with his passion and professionalism and pride he showed and installed for Swindon. Part of me on the back of my mind still says he will be back! swwindon61uk
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9:59pm Fri 22 Feb 13

jayden says...

the don69 wrote:
Blimey Bury were winning 0-1,just looked again and it's 4-1 to Notts County
Yes don i just popped around next door to take some of their stuff while they were out i came back and notts had scored 4 goals.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Blimey Bury were winning 0-1,just looked again and it's 4-1 to Notts County[/p][/quote]Yes don i just popped around next door to take some of their stuff while they were out i came back and notts had scored 4 goals. jayden
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10:00pm Fri 22 Feb 13

old town robin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
I still don't understand why PDC thought his job was impossible, when he was able to work with resources beyond the wildest dreams of most of his rivals. I'm disappointed but not in the least bit surprised at the way it's ended. His frequent aggressive and theatrical outbursts towards the club were a strong clue as to the way it was going. Everything Andrew Black has said rings true. If he's made it up, he's not only a superhuman genius with a fertile imagination but he's also a highly devious and mean spirited individual - which hardly seems consistent with being happy to sit in the background and effectively pay off millions of pounds of debt owed by the club. What a b@stard, eh?
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The last thing we need is for this thing to drag on and distract everyone from the real business of winning promotion. Tomorrow's performance and result are crucial. I'd go as far as to say a good showing and a win might well see us march on to the title; a weak performance could see us slide rapidly down the table. I'm very excited and very apprehensive about tomorrow.
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Goodbye and many thanks to Black and Di Canio. Hello to the future - with fingers firmly crossed.
Den, would agree with you that tomorrow may well see us progress or slide and would even go so far to say that Tuesday game against Bury should be added into the equation.

Just watched the Notts County v Bury game, Thought Bury played really well 1st half and the goal scorer Schumacker looks a class act. Second half Bury fell apart at the back and conceeding 4 goals in 16 minutes they obviously have weaknesses that William (if he can ever learn to beat a goalie 1 on 1) will exploit.

Had to smile when reading the pre- league cup article that Don always relished a 1 on 1, how many times did we see him score from those situations. Think Don needs to show Williams how to shake the hips and shimmy, because he can't shoot through the goalie he might as well go round him.

Pundit Ronnie Moore seems to have settled for a play-off place at best for tranmere, wish them well as long as it doesn't effect us.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I still don't understand why PDC thought his job was impossible, when he was able to work with resources beyond the wildest dreams of most of his rivals. I'm disappointed but not in the least bit surprised at the way it's ended. His frequent aggressive and theatrical outbursts towards the club were a strong clue as to the way it was going. Everything Andrew Black has said rings true. If he's made it up, he's not only a superhuman genius with a fertile imagination but he's also a highly devious and mean spirited individual - which hardly seems consistent with being happy to sit in the background and effectively pay off millions of pounds of debt owed by the club. What a b@stard, eh? . The last thing we need is for this thing to drag on and distract everyone from the real business of winning promotion. Tomorrow's performance and result are crucial. I'd go as far as to say a good showing and a win might well see us march on to the title; a weak performance could see us slide rapidly down the table. I'm very excited and very apprehensive about tomorrow. . Goodbye and many thanks to Black and Di Canio. Hello to the future - with fingers firmly crossed.[/p][/quote]Den, would agree with you that tomorrow may well see us progress or slide and would even go so far to say that Tuesday game against Bury should be added into the equation. Just watched the Notts County v Bury game, Thought Bury played really well 1st half and the goal scorer Schumacker looks a class act. Second half Bury fell apart at the back and conceeding 4 goals in 16 minutes they obviously have weaknesses that William (if he can ever learn to beat a goalie 1 on 1) will exploit. Had to smile when reading the pre- league cup article that Don always relished a 1 on 1, how many times did we see him score from those situations. Think Don needs to show Williams how to shake the hips and shimmy, because he can't shoot through the goalie he might as well go round him. Pundit Ronnie Moore seems to have settled for a play-off place at best for tranmere, wish them well as long as it doesn't effect us. old town robin
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10:01pm Fri 22 Feb 13

swwindon61uk says...

Looks like i can retract the last sentence of my post above,PDC defiantly will not be back after reading his latest statement.
Looks like i can retract the last sentence of my post above,PDC defiantly will not be back after reading his latest statement. swwindon61uk
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10:09pm Fri 22 Feb 13

red white says...

1-0 will do,2-0 better and so on.Got to keep winning.

We went top for the 1st time this year exactly the same time this week as last year when we be Shrews 2-1 to go top for the 1st time at the CG on Tuesday 21st Feb.

Fact!
1-0 will do,2-0 better and so on.Got to keep winning. We went top for the 1st time this year exactly the same time this week as last year when we be Shrews 2-1 to go top for the 1st time at the CG on Tuesday 21st Feb. Fact! red white
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10:11pm Fri 22 Feb 13

alchafreds says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
The saga is now over and we have both sides of the story and we are perhaps seeing the parties in a different light.

PDC has probably let us and himself down by the way he has gone about things. Most of us won't miss the negative aspects but we should not forget the positives.

Don't forget, it was less than two years ago we were sliding towards relegation with Danny Wilson stood arms folded on the touch line, watching a team that the year before should have gone up, seemingly incapable of doing anything about it.

The team was unfit, lazy, split into factions, devoid of spirit, ideas and direction and discipline on and off the pitch was a shambles.

Then if things couldn't get any worse we appointed Paul Hart, an uncharismatic stoic, to finish the job and take us down with a whimper.

Most of the team that took us down couldn't wait to clear off and we looked like a club on the ropes.

Then we appointed PDC, which raised a few eyebrows, including mine, who had to assemble practically a whole squad from scratch.

He made plenty of mistakes along the way and was allowed to do so, but he gave us a team to be proud of, who were fitter than any town side since Macari's days, beat more higher league opposition than any time I can remember and were disciplined both on and off the pitch.

His approach may have ruffled a few feathers, alienated players and upset some senior pros, but this was what was needed after Wilson.

We are all agreed that Andrew Black saved our club but before we start judging Paolo too harshly let's not forget how he transformed our team from a shambolic laughing stock to the pride of the town in less than two years.

Personally, after taking everything into consideration, I wouldn't have changed the last two years for the world.
absolutley with you all the way on that
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: The saga is now over and we have both sides of the story and we are perhaps seeing the parties in a different light. PDC has probably let us and himself down by the way he has gone about things. Most of us won't miss the negative aspects but we should not forget the positives. Don't forget, it was less than two years ago we were sliding towards relegation with Danny Wilson stood arms folded on the touch line, watching a team that the year before should have gone up, seemingly incapable of doing anything about it. The team was unfit, lazy, split into factions, devoid of spirit, ideas and direction and discipline on and off the pitch was a shambles. Then if things couldn't get any worse we appointed Paul Hart, an uncharismatic stoic, to finish the job and take us down with a whimper. Most of the team that took us down couldn't wait to clear off and we looked like a club on the ropes. Then we appointed PDC, which raised a few eyebrows, including mine, who had to assemble practically a whole squad from scratch. He made plenty of mistakes along the way and was allowed to do so, but he gave us a team to be proud of, who were fitter than any town side since Macari's days, beat more higher league opposition than any time I can remember and were disciplined both on and off the pitch. His approach may have ruffled a few feathers, alienated players and upset some senior pros, but this was what was needed after Wilson. We are all agreed that Andrew Black saved our club but before we start judging Paolo too harshly let's not forget how he transformed our team from a shambolic laughing stock to the pride of the town in less than two years. Personally, after taking everything into consideration, I wouldn't have changed the last two years for the world.[/p][/quote]absolutley with you all the way on that alchafreds
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10:14pm Fri 22 Feb 13

swwindon61uk says...

red white wrote:
1-0 will do,2-0 better and so on.Got to keep winning.

We went top for the 1st time this year exactly the same time this week as last year when we be Shrews 2-1 to go top for the 1st time at the CG on Tuesday 21st Feb.

Fact!
One of the few games we were truly outclassed in last year and so lucky to get 3 points!!
[quote][p][bold]red white[/bold] wrote: 1-0 will do,2-0 better and so on.Got to keep winning. We went top for the 1st time this year exactly the same time this week as last year when we be Shrews 2-1 to go top for the 1st time at the CG on Tuesday 21st Feb. Fact![/p][/quote]One of the few games we were truly outclassed in last year and so lucky to get 3 points!! swwindon61uk
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10:31pm Fri 22 Feb 13

old town robin says...

Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
killerontheloose wrote:
This is the 'I'm perfect in every way' speech and it was all someone else's fault...very good - just one comment.....I'm not sure how good a manager PDC is.....a a hint, try looking at the results or maybe even the fitness / attitude / teamwork etc -
But PDC was backed more than any other manager in FL2 last season - in terms of transfer fees, wages, fees paid to agents, his ability to bring players in and ship them out when he discovered they were no good.

On that basis, we don't know exactly how good a manager he is. Things like fitness can be measured - and few would deny they were fitter than the season before.

But you can't judge him solely on results. This year, we're top, but Yeovil are in the play-offs on a fraction of the budget. Who's done a better job so far - PDC or Gary Johnson who's probably had less than half the money to spend?

Man City are 2nd in the PL but Mancini's spent a fortune, so most people wouldn't say he's doing a better job than, say, Michael Laudrup, who hasn't got a sheikh bankrolling him.

So with PDC we can accept his achievements but we'll only know how good a manager he is when he's further along in his career. If he goes to WHU, and gets them to punch above their weight then that shows his ability. But if he goes there, has more to spend than a lot of other clubs, and they end up in the bottom three then maybe he'll have been found out a little.
Quote "But you can't judge him solely on results"

Why not??? Any manager worthy of respect has to be judged on his wins percentage. There are of course many also rans, that actually do not get the appreciation of their efforts, but at the end of the day they rarely win trophies either, so sorry mate I don't see the point you are trying to make. Football league in todays world is result driven, hence high percentage of managers losing their jobs without taking into consideration some of the points you have raised. If yeovil did get promotion do you really think they will stay there and if they didn't do you really believe Gary J would still be in a job next year?

With regards to paolo he'll never take on a job with no finance, we were good for him as he was for us, I honestly believe he is going to find it difficult to find another English league club, having said that his results with us may tempt someone somewhere, god help the players if they like a beer and don't train too hard.
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killerontheloose[/bold] wrote: This is the 'I'm perfect in every way' speech and it was all someone else's fault...very good - just one comment.....I'm not sure how good a manager PDC is.....a a hint, try looking at the results or maybe even the fitness / attitude / teamwork etc -[/p][/quote]But PDC was backed more than any other manager in FL2 last season - in terms of transfer fees, wages, fees paid to agents, his ability to bring players in and ship them out when he discovered they were no good. On that basis, we don't know exactly how good a manager he is. Things like fitness can be measured - and few would deny they were fitter than the season before. But you can't judge him solely on results. This year, we're top, but Yeovil are in the play-offs on a fraction of the budget. Who's done a better job so far - PDC or Gary Johnson who's probably had less than half the money to spend? Man City are 2nd in the PL but Mancini's spent a fortune, so most people wouldn't say he's doing a better job than, say, Michael Laudrup, who hasn't got a sheikh bankrolling him. So with PDC we can accept his achievements but we'll only know how good a manager he is when he's further along in his career. If he goes to WHU, and gets them to punch above their weight then that shows his ability. But if he goes there, has more to spend than a lot of other clubs, and they end up in the bottom three then maybe he'll have been found out a little.[/p][/quote]Quote "But you can't judge him solely on results" Why not??? Any manager worthy of respect has to be judged on his wins percentage. There are of course many also rans, that actually do not get the appreciation of their efforts, but at the end of the day they rarely win trophies either, so sorry mate I don't see the point you are trying to make. Football league in todays world is result driven, hence high percentage of managers losing their jobs without taking into consideration some of the points you have raised. If yeovil did get promotion do you really think they will stay there and if they didn't do you really believe Gary J would still be in a job next year? With regards to paolo he'll never take on a job with no finance, we were good for him as he was for us, I honestly believe he is going to find it difficult to find another English league club, having said that his results with us may tempt someone somewhere, god help the players if they like a beer and don't train too hard. old town robin
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10:40pm Fri 22 Feb 13

jayden says...

This crap is as about as boring as waiting for the take over .
This crap is as about as boring as waiting for the take over . jayden
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10:50pm Fri 22 Feb 13

the wizard says...

jayden wrote:
This crap is as about as boring as waiting for the take over .
If you had to choose a manager, and NOT somebody who is a former Town player or out of work, who would you go for ?

I would go for the guy at Reading, strong self belief, good guy with the players, goes about his work in a quiet, diligent and honest fashion.
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: This crap is as about as boring as waiting for the take over .[/p][/quote]If you had to choose a manager, and NOT somebody who is a former Town player or out of work, who would you go for ? I would go for the guy at Reading, strong self belief, good guy with the players, goes about his work in a quiet, diligent and honest fashion. the wizard
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10:58pm Fri 22 Feb 13

jayden says...

the wizard wrote:
jayden wrote:
This crap is as about as boring as waiting for the take over .
If you had to choose a manager, and NOT somebody who is a former Town player or out of work, who would you go for ?

I would go for the guy at Reading, strong self belief, good guy with the players, goes about his work in a quiet, diligent and honest fashion.
If we dont go up then the crawley manager .
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: This crap is as about as boring as waiting for the take over .[/p][/quote]If you had to choose a manager, and NOT somebody who is a former Town player or out of work, who would you go for ? I would go for the guy at Reading, strong self belief, good guy with the players, goes about his work in a quiet, diligent and honest fashion.[/p][/quote]If we dont go up then the crawley manager . jayden
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11:22pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

old town robin wrote:
Jeremy Hilary Boob wrote:
killerontheloose wrote:
This is the 'I'm perfect in every way' speech and it was all someone else's fault...very good - just one comment.....I'm not sure how good a manager PDC is.....a a hint, try looking at the results or maybe even the fitness / attitude / teamwork etc -
But PDC was backed more than any other manager in FL2 last season - in terms of transfer fees, wages, fees paid to agents, his ability to bring players in and ship them out when he discovered they were no good.

On that basis, we don't know exactly how good a manager he is. Things like fitness can be measured - and few would deny they were fitter than the season before.

But you can't judge him solely on results. This year, we're top, but Yeovil are in the play-offs on a fraction of the budget. Who's done a better job so far - PDC or Gary Johnson who's probably had less than half the money to spend?

Man City are 2nd in the PL but Mancini's spent a fortune, so most people wouldn't say he's doing a better job than, say, Michael Laudrup, who hasn't got a sheikh bankrolling him.

So with PDC we can accept his achievements but we'll only know how good a manager he is when he's further along in his career. If he goes to WHU, and gets them to punch above their weight then that shows his ability. But if he goes there, has more to spend than a lot of other clubs, and they end up in the bottom three then maybe he'll have been found out a little.
Quote "But you can't judge him solely on results"

Why not??? Any manager worthy of respect has to be judged on his wins percentage. There are of course many also rans, that actually do not get the appreciation of their efforts, but at the end of the day they rarely win trophies either, so sorry mate I don't see the point you are trying to make. Football league in todays world is result driven, hence high percentage of managers losing their jobs without taking into consideration some of the points you have raised. If yeovil did get promotion do you really think they will stay there and if they didn't do you really believe Gary J would still be in a job next year?

With regards to paolo he'll never take on a job with no finance, we were good for him as he was for us, I honestly believe he is going to find it difficult to find another English league club, having said that his results with us may tempt someone somewhere, god help the players if they like a beer and don't train too hard.
I think it's rather obvious what I'm saying.

You disagreed with Black questioning how good a manager Di Canio is. I pointed out that he was given far more resources than any other manager in FL2 so just because we won it doesn't automatically make him a great manager - we need to see how well he does at a club where he hasn't got more money to spend than everyone else before we get an idea of that.

Obviously it does not follow that money automatically buys success but any board backing their manager more than other clubs are backing theirs would expect results - if not the championship then probably promotion and certainly the play-offs.

Di Canio delivered but he was given the tools to deliver. I'm not saying none of it was down to him but winning the title doesn't automatically make him the best manager in FL2 last season - what about Shrews or Crawley getting promoted on a fraction of the budget PDC had? Doesn't that show that their managers did a great job (and I despise Fatty Evans)?

If Yeovil get promoted I would be surprised if they managed to stay up next season. Then again, I'd be surprised but delighted if we could as we'd be small fish in a much bigger pond. If either us or YTFC stayed up it would be a great achievement (although I think we'd be in a better position to try to kick on after that).

Would they sack Johnson if they got relegated? Possibly. Loads of managers have got their team promoted to uncharted territory, got relegated and ended up getting sacked - we did it to Bert Head.

No I don't think PDC would take a job with no money either. I also think the stuff he's coming out with now are probably not helping him sell himself to a new club.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Hilary Boob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killerontheloose[/bold] wrote: This is the 'I'm perfect in every way' speech and it was all someone else's fault...very good - just one comment.....I'm not sure how good a manager PDC is.....a a hint, try looking at the results or maybe even the fitness / attitude / teamwork etc -[/p][/quote]But PDC was backed more than any other manager in FL2 last season - in terms of transfer fees, wages, fees paid to agents, his ability to bring players in and ship them out when he discovered they were no good. On that basis, we don't know exactly how good a manager he is. Things like fitness can be measured - and few would deny they were fitter than the season before. But you can't judge him solely on results. This year, we're top, but Yeovil are in the play-offs on a fraction of the budget. Who's done a better job so far - PDC or Gary Johnson who's probably had less than half the money to spend? Man City are 2nd in the PL but Mancini's spent a fortune, so most people wouldn't say he's doing a better job than, say, Michael Laudrup, who hasn't got a sheikh bankrolling him. So with PDC we can accept his achievements but we'll only know how good a manager he is when he's further along in his career. If he goes to WHU, and gets them to punch above their weight then that shows his ability. But if he goes there, has more to spend than a lot of other clubs, and they end up in the bottom three then maybe he'll have been found out a little.[/p][/quote]Quote "But you can't judge him solely on results" Why not??? Any manager worthy of respect has to be judged on his wins percentage. There are of course many also rans, that actually do not get the appreciation of their efforts, but at the end of the day they rarely win trophies either, so sorry mate I don't see the point you are trying to make. Football league in todays world is result driven, hence high percentage of managers losing their jobs without taking into consideration some of the points you have raised. If yeovil did get promotion do you really think they will stay there and if they didn't do you really believe Gary J would still be in a job next year? With regards to paolo he'll never take on a job with no finance, we were good for him as he was for us, I honestly believe he is going to find it difficult to find another English league club, having said that his results with us may tempt someone somewhere, god help the players if they like a beer and don't train too hard.[/p][/quote]I think it's rather obvious what I'm saying. You disagreed with Black questioning how good a manager Di Canio is. I pointed out that he was given far more resources than any other manager in FL2 so just because we won it doesn't automatically make him a great manager - we need to see how well he does at a club where he hasn't got more money to spend than everyone else before we get an idea of that. Obviously it does not follow that money automatically buys success but any board backing their manager more than other clubs are backing theirs would expect results - if not the championship then probably promotion and certainly the play-offs. Di Canio delivered but he was given the tools to deliver. I'm not saying none of it was down to him but winning the title doesn't automatically make him the best manager in FL2 last season - what about Shrews or Crawley getting promoted on a fraction of the budget PDC had? Doesn't that show that their managers did a great job (and I despise Fatty Evans)? If Yeovil get promoted I would be surprised if they managed to stay up next season. Then again, I'd be surprised but delighted if we could as we'd be small fish in a much bigger pond. If either us or YTFC stayed up it would be a great achievement (although I think we'd be in a better position to try to kick on after that). Would they sack Johnson if they got relegated? Possibly. Loads of managers have got their team promoted to uncharted territory, got relegated and ended up getting sacked - we did it to Bert Head. No I don't think PDC would take a job with no money either. I also think the stuff he's coming out with now are probably not helping him sell himself to a new club. Jeremy Hilary Boob
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11:38pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

old town robin wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
stanharlands6shirt wrote:
Graham8181 wrote:
Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now

No matter how much this debate will
Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes
NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team..

DiCanio did not set his own budget.

If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself.

I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel....

PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...
PdC demanded more & more, Where did the money come from to clear the transfer embargo?
Dave, Get your facts right, before mouthing off. StanHarlands shirt is absolutely right, Paolo worked within the budget he was given. he was not responsible for exceeding the cap, the embargo came about because the financial gurus within the club f**ked up, they mistakingly thought they did not have to pay the tribunial fees within this years budget, therefore January's part of the budget had to be brought forward to november to get us out the sh*t. That was not the fault of Paolo and if it had not have happened the January budget would have been intact and we would not have been faced with selling off one of our prize assets for peanuts and probably been allowed to bring in the 3 quality loanees he agreed.
Quite right OTR, but think of this, IF PdC had for once not kept mouthing off to the media about wanting the transfer embargo removed, and worked with what players he had at the time, we would have been left with all that excess cash to keep us ticking over until end of January.

How do you know that PdC kept to his budget, AB remarks suggest otherwise, that JW was unable to say no to a man he idolised.

Too many people have become brainwashed by the man, He did a great job for 18mths with a very healthy budget but the last few weeks has seen him taint that legacy very badly. PdC was always going to crash & burn, unfortunately it happened sooner rather than later.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stanharlands6shirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Thankyou Mr Black. I haven't seen this club spend like it has since Paolo was here for a long time. Looking back now he was like a kiddy in a sweet shop. Well done as look where we are now No matter how much this debate will Go on between you and Paolo thanks so much for your contribution towards this club. Legend in my eyes[/p][/quote]NO..He was like a manager, working within his budget, trying to win us the league and making us proud of our club and team.. DiCanio did not set his own budget. If Black was not happy at any point during this ride, he should have acted like the majority share holder and grown a pair himself. I'm grateful for what Mr Black appears to have done, but please, he started the car crash, and far from not putting his foot on the brake much earlier, it appears from his actions, he did not even have hold of the wheel.... PAOLO WORKED WITHIN HIS SET BUDGET, how many times has it been said and proven...[/p][/quote]PdC demanded more & more, Where did the money come from to clear the transfer embargo?[/p][/quote]Dave, Get your facts right, before mouthing off. StanHarlands shirt is absolutely right, Paolo worked within the budget he was given. he was not responsible for exceeding the cap, the embargo came about because the financial gurus within the club f**ked up, they mistakingly thought they did not have to pay the tribunial fees within this years budget, therefore January's part of the budget had to be brought forward to november to get us out the sh*t. That was not the fault of Paolo and if it had not have happened the January budget would have been intact and we would not have been faced with selling off one of our prize assets for peanuts and probably been allowed to bring in the 3 quality loanees he agreed.[/p][/quote]Quite right OTR, but think of this, IF PdC had for once not kept mouthing off to the media about wanting the transfer embargo removed, and worked with what players he had at the time, we would have been left with all that excess cash to keep us ticking over until end of January. How do you know that PdC kept to his budget, AB remarks suggest otherwise, that JW was unable to say no to a man he idolised. Too many people have become brainwashed by the man, He did a great job for 18mths with a very healthy budget but the last few weeks has seen him taint that legacy very badly. PdC was always going to crash & burn, unfortunately it happened sooner rather than later. Davidsyrett
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11:50pm Fri 22 Feb 13

madterrier says...

the wizard wrote:
jayden wrote:
This crap is as about as boring as waiting for the take over .
If you had to choose a manager, and NOT somebody who is a former Town player or out of work, who would you go for ?

I would go for the guy at Reading, strong self belief, good guy with the players, goes about his work in a quiet, diligent and honest fashion.
wizard - I have privately been harbouring a great respect for Brian McDermott, but didn't want to break cover first. Not easy to like things Reading. So we wait for him to get sacked?
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: This crap is as about as boring as waiting for the take over .[/p][/quote]If you had to choose a manager, and NOT somebody who is a former Town player or out of work, who would you go for ? I would go for the guy at Reading, strong self belief, good guy with the players, goes about his work in a quiet, diligent and honest fashion.[/p][/quote]wizard - I have privately been harbouring a great respect for Brian McDermott, but didn't want to break cover first. Not easy to like things Reading. So we wait for him to get sacked? madterrier
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9:12am Sat 23 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

fatman wrote:
Think Black I M O was involved because he thought out of redevloping and the money to be made ,sadly and gladly it never happened , sadly for Black gladly for us I would hate it if he was still leader with his fat wallet and looking to make it fatter glad it never happened
Good logic, apart from the fact that:

The club don't own the ground the council do

Even if the club could buy it there's a covenant on it

Even if the council could and would remove that convenant I'm sure that even a council as incompetent as SBC would require it transferred to the site of a new stadium and that stadium built before lifting the covenant on the CG

The proposed redevelopment was for the club's benefit - the capacity is too small for the FLC, we've got no boxes and none of the other facilities that many FLC clubs has got. I doubt very much that any of the board would have made the killing you think they would.

I assume you're happy for the club to just languish in FL1 then?
[quote][p][bold]fatman[/bold] wrote: Think Black I M O was involved because he thought out of redevloping and the money to be made ,sadly and gladly it never happened , sadly for Black gladly for us I would hate it if he was still leader with his fat wallet and looking to make it fatter glad it never happened[/p][/quote]Good logic, apart from the fact that: The club don't own the ground the council do Even if the club could buy it there's a covenant on it Even if the council could and would remove that convenant I'm sure that even a council as incompetent as SBC would require it transferred to the site of a new stadium and that stadium built before lifting the covenant on the CG The proposed redevelopment was for the club's benefit - the capacity is too small for the FLC, we've got no boxes and none of the other facilities that many FLC clubs has got. I doubt very much that any of the board would have made the killing you think they would. I assume you're happy for the club to just languish in FL1 then? Jeremy Hilary Boob
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