POLL: Town fans not keen on new B League plan

Alex Pritchard

Alex Pritchard

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SWINDON Town fans reacted with almost unanimous disdain yesterday as a Football Association commission released its suggestions for Premier League B sides to be incorporated into a new division between the Football League and the Conference.

Chairman Greg Dyke held a lunchtime press conference, at which he revealed the panel’s ideas of how to reinvogorate the English national side.

A four-point plan includes “strategic loan partnerships”, a ban on non-European Union players outside the top flight and a reduction in non-homegrown players in Premier League squads.

It is the suggestion of forming a new league, effectively League Three, in which 10 Premier League B sides would initially compete against 10 Conference teams, however, which has drawn mass criticism from all circles.

On Twitter, Swindon supporters were vociferous in their condemnation of the plans.

Alex Cooke wrote: “Three sensible points, ruined by one destructive, short-term one. Big club avarice created the problem, small clubs being punished.”

Joe Fields pointed to the lack of English coaches as a major problem, writing: “Spain doesnt have a great international team cause they use B teams, its cause they have 25,000-plus more trained coaches than us.

“It’s a system built for teams in the top six. Complete idiots. Just invest more in grass roots football.”

Interestingly, the cost of acquiring a UEFA A licence in England, at around £3,000, is much more expensive than in Spain or Germany, where the fees equate to below £1,000.

Chris Rowe brought up the example of Alex Pritchard at Town this season, suggesting that young Premier League starlets will not develop quickly enough at a Conference level, while loan arrangements with Football League clubs give them a much better platform.

Rowe wrote: “Would love to have seen the exposure Pritchard would’ve got playing for Spurs B team. I’m guessing not so much.”

Chris Barsby wrote: “Can see the idea and agree about the need for English players, but this isn’t the way to do it.”

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8:00am Fri 9 May 14

London Red says...

This does seem to really want to further destroy lower league football
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So Man City B, Man U B Chelsea B, Liverpool B, Arsenal B and Spurs B all rise up the ranks and into L1 - then how and why on earth would they loan players like Bamford, Saville, Pritchard, Agoo etc to MK, Brentford, Us and Tranmere?
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Surely they would simply stay in their own B teams!
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Then what is all this nonsense about no Non EU players outside the Premiership - so we can't sign say Kasim, Luongo and Branco because "we are destroying English football"
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They only good suggestion is the expansion of home grown rule (though that is still not perfect as you can sign up any 16 from anywhere in the world and time they are 21 they are home grown!) as at least that might see top flight clubs stop buy hundreds of average overseas players each season
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Though I guess after they have stock piled all these kids and then decide they are not good enough like they currently do - this way when released they will have experience of L1 or L2
This does seem to really want to further destroy lower league football . So Man City B, Man U B Chelsea B, Liverpool B, Arsenal B and Spurs B all rise up the ranks and into L1 - then how and why on earth would they loan players like Bamford, Saville, Pritchard, Agoo etc to MK, Brentford, Us and Tranmere? . Surely they would simply stay in their own B teams! . Then what is all this nonsense about no Non EU players outside the Premiership - so we can't sign say Kasim, Luongo and Branco because "we are destroying English football" . They only good suggestion is the expansion of home grown rule (though that is still not perfect as you can sign up any 16 from anywhere in the world and time they are 21 they are home grown!) as at least that might see top flight clubs stop buy hundreds of average overseas players each season . Though I guess after they have stock piled all these kids and then decide they are not good enough like they currently do - this way when released they will have experience of L1 or L2 London Red
  • Score: 5

8:13am Fri 9 May 14

Davethered says...

Was watching Chelsea v Man City youth teams last week in the youth play offs. Even those teams have 50% foreign players. What hope have the kids of the UK got when they can't even get in the youth teams anymore.
Was watching Chelsea v Man City youth teams last week in the youth play offs. Even those teams have 50% foreign players. What hope have the kids of the UK got when they can't even get in the youth teams anymore. Davethered
  • Score: 2

8:20am Fri 9 May 14

smirg kcab says...

Up woys wovers in there twip to bwazil
Let's hope wooney and Cawwick does woy pwoud
Up woys wovers in there twip to bwazil Let's hope wooney and Cawwick does woy pwoud smirg kcab
  • Score: -7

8:35am Fri 9 May 14

old town robin says...

Of course when even the bottom club in the Premier gets rewarded for failure with £63 million for TV rights + £750k every time they are on TV with a guarantee of 10 live matches, it's small wonder they would welcome the idea to have a B team in the football league. What did we get last year from playing live games, £10k I believe at MK Dons and not much more I would suspect for the Peterborough games. I don't think they televised one of our home game in the league all season, in fact some conference teams got more exposure than we did.

This suggestion from Gregg Dyke is based on what teams in the big 5 countries do, but if you look at Spain Italy, France and Germany, they all have between 45% and 59% of home grown players playing at the top level, we have 32% and the percentage playing in the top 6 or 7 teams competing for places in Europe is even lower and with all the TV money being splashed about it's only going to get worse as more and more mercenaries come here to get on the gravy train that is the premier league

I cannot see one advantage from this idea for the football league clubs, not one. We would lose the chance of getting any up and coming loanee's from the Premier teams, but then at least it would be a level playing field. Crowds would probably drop as supporters of Premier teams watch their own B team rather than their local and for teams in cities like London that would be very bad.

If Dyke wants to look at a sustainable model of how up and coming Premiership players can get league experience, he should look no further at what Spurs were able to do with us. There are a few fans I know that didn't agree on us having so many from one club, but IMO it worked really well for both parties and I wouldn't have any issues if Lee Power did it again next season
Of course when even the bottom club in the Premier gets rewarded for failure with £63 million for TV rights + £750k every time they are on TV with a guarantee of 10 live matches, it's small wonder they would welcome the idea to have a B team in the football league. What did we get last year from playing live games, £10k I believe at MK Dons and not much more I would suspect for the Peterborough games. I don't think they televised one of our home game in the league all season, in fact some conference teams got more exposure than we did. This suggestion from Gregg Dyke is based on what teams in the big 5 countries do, but if you look at Spain Italy, France and Germany, they all have between 45% and 59% of home grown players playing at the top level, we have 32% and the percentage playing in the top 6 or 7 teams competing for places in Europe is even lower and with all the TV money being splashed about it's only going to get worse as more and more mercenaries come here to get on the gravy train that is the premier league I cannot see one advantage from this idea for the football league clubs, not one. We would lose the chance of getting any up and coming loanee's from the Premier teams, but then at least it would be a level playing field. Crowds would probably drop as supporters of Premier teams watch their own B team rather than their local and for teams in cities like London that would be very bad. If Dyke wants to look at a sustainable model of how up and coming Premiership players can get league experience, he should look no further at what Spurs were able to do with us. There are a few fans I know that didn't agree on us having so many from one club, but IMO it worked really well for both parties and I wouldn't have any issues if Lee Power did it again next season old town robin
  • Score: 3

8:50am Fri 9 May 14

clunge_meister says...

It was only last year that the premier league enforced change academy systems of smaller clubs, giving them less incentive to invest in their youth system and causing some to consider whether they were viable at all - Now all of a sudden having kids playing in the lower leagues is the answer.

Some of the more sensible ideas seem to be
- subsidise training and qualification of coaching badges so that they become comparable to those in Germany or Spain.
- Reduce the size of premier league youth systems so that the scatter-gun approach is not possible and so that they focus on the best rather than just hoping one out of every 100 makes it.
- Redirect funds into grass roots and youth acedemies rather than top flight player budgets
- Loan pools as oppose to B teams or feeder clubs

The problem though is that as the premier league has to approve it and most premier league clubs are foreign owned - I can't see why they would care whether the English lower leagues or the national team are successful.
It was only last year that the premier league enforced change academy systems of smaller clubs, giving them less incentive to invest in their youth system and causing some to consider whether they were viable at all - Now all of a sudden having kids playing in the lower leagues is the answer. Some of the more sensible ideas seem to be - subsidise training and qualification of coaching badges so that they become comparable to those in Germany or Spain. - Reduce the size of premier league youth systems so that the scatter-gun approach is not possible and so that they focus on the best rather than just hoping one out of every 100 makes it. - Redirect funds into grass roots and youth acedemies rather than top flight player budgets - Loan pools as oppose to B teams or feeder clubs The problem though is that as the premier league has to approve it and most premier league clubs are foreign owned - I can't see why they would care whether the English lower leagues or the national team are successful. clunge_meister
  • Score: 6

8:55am Fri 9 May 14

LeGod says...

Dyke is the puppet of the premier league teams who control everything in football and is does what he's told. I listened to the idiot on Talk Sport yesterday and the guy was absolutely clueless with some of the answers he gave even quoting Barcelona B side as 16th in the league when in fact they are 3rd.
The premier league sides to help the development of players should loan players out to lower league sides and progress them through the current leagues as they improve year on year as we have done this year with Spurs and players like the Pritchards of this world once they feel are ready his next move being the championship and then Spurs first team.
You don't need to introduce another league as this idiot and the panel have suggested.
Its all about the premier league and nothing else if this is introduced it will be the death of the football league and where are these extra fans going to come from as lower league sides are struggling now with attendances.
why the hell have you got the likes of Rio Ferdinand- Danny Mills on the panel what do they know.
As for Dyke since he's been appointed the guy has talked absolute rubbish.
Dyke is the puppet of the premier league teams who control everything in football and is does what he's told. I listened to the idiot on Talk Sport yesterday and the guy was absolutely clueless with some of the answers he gave even quoting Barcelona B side as 16th in the league when in fact they are 3rd. The premier league sides to help the development of players should loan players out to lower league sides and progress them through the current leagues as they improve year on year as we have done this year with Spurs and players like the Pritchards of this world once they feel are ready his next move being the championship and then Spurs first team. You don't need to introduce another league as this idiot and the panel have suggested. Its all about the premier league and nothing else if this is introduced it will be the death of the football league and where are these extra fans going to come from as lower league sides are struggling now with attendances. why the hell have you got the likes of Rio Ferdinand- Danny Mills on the panel what do they know. As for Dyke since he's been appointed the guy has talked absolute rubbish. LeGod
  • Score: 5

9:00am Fri 9 May 14

Moonraker1983 says...

One of the points raised by the FA was the massive decline in the % of English players in the Premier League from 1994. You remember 1994 don't you? A golden year for English football wasn't it. World Cup winners. Or not. So as it turns out, the decrease in the number of English footballers in the Premier League hasn't actually affected the quality of the national team.

The major problem here has been made by the Premier League and the FA. By abolishing the rules about compensation for stealing youth talent from League clubs, and replacing it with the set fees based on how long the player was in the youth program, it has meant even more English talent can be hoovered up and left to rot in youth teams and the reserves rather than playing competitive football.

Would Ben Tozer, Jack Stephens (keeper went to liverpool, not sure of name) and lukas jutkiewicz be playing at a higher level if they'd stayed at Swindon for a few more years, got 100 first team appearances and then made the move? Sure they benefited from improved contracts, but their development halted by lack of playing time. The FA can't have it both ways. You can't allow clubs to collect all the young talent like a Pokemon, and then complain that not enough talent is coming through.

And the result of non-EU players in the Football league? Inflated prices for the existing EU players that do qualify. Inflated prices for English players. Teams can hope to rely on youth teams, but chances are any one with a modicum of talent will be whisked away by Prem clubs who need even larger nets to capture even more talent because they need to fill a quota of home grown talent. And they can promise action in League 3. Great.
One of the points raised by the FA was the massive decline in the % of English players in the Premier League from 1994. You remember 1994 don't you? A golden year for English football wasn't it. World Cup winners. Or not. So as it turns out, the decrease in the number of English footballers in the Premier League hasn't actually affected the quality of the national team. The major problem here has been made by the Premier League and the FA. By abolishing the rules about compensation for stealing youth talent from League clubs, and replacing it with the set fees based on how long the player was in the youth program, it has meant even more English talent can be hoovered up and left to rot in youth teams and the reserves rather than playing competitive football. Would Ben Tozer, Jack Stephens (keeper went to liverpool, not sure of name) and lukas jutkiewicz be playing at a higher level if they'd stayed at Swindon for a few more years, got 100 first team appearances and then made the move? Sure they benefited from improved contracts, but their development halted by lack of playing time. The FA can't have it both ways. You can't allow clubs to collect all the young talent like a Pokemon, and then complain that not enough talent is coming through. And the result of non-EU players in the Football league? Inflated prices for the existing EU players that do qualify. Inflated prices for English players. Teams can hope to rely on youth teams, but chances are any one with a modicum of talent will be whisked away by Prem clubs who need even larger nets to capture even more talent because they need to fill a quota of home grown talent. And they can promise action in League 3. Great. Moonraker1983
  • Score: 6

9:11am Fri 9 May 14

uruguay whitey the red says...

the cashcow FA and Premiership would do better by handing down more funds to the grass roots and not line their own pockets all the time,you have Man city showing no regard for UEFA`s new monetary rulings!.We in Swindon and many other local councils have just been stripped of funding subsidies from the Government and the FA so it pushes the price of booking an adult pitch on a Saturday and sunday to around £100 from £67.Please ask Mr Dyke how the hell do you encourage people to take part in sports when they are being charged ridiculous fees.Its obviously encouraging local authorities to sell off these sports fields/venues for housing to boost the coffers!!
the cashcow FA and Premiership would do better by handing down more funds to the grass roots and not line their own pockets all the time,you have Man city showing no regard for UEFA`s new monetary rulings!.We in Swindon and many other local councils have just been stripped of funding subsidies from the Government and the FA so it pushes the price of booking an adult pitch on a Saturday and sunday to around £100 from £67.Please ask Mr Dyke how the hell do you encourage people to take part in sports when they are being charged ridiculous fees.Its obviously encouraging local authorities to sell off these sports fields/venues for housing to boost the coffers!! uruguay whitey the red
  • Score: 4

9:32am Fri 9 May 14

London Red says...

The other point they fail to realise is that Spain, Germany etc where they have B Teams don't have 92 professional teams!
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If we only had 2 divisions then B teams would be a good idea as it would give the opportunity of players getting games - but that already exists now!
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We have 72 league teams where players can get experience - we also have 20 odd in the Conference where they want these B teams to start!
The other point they fail to realise is that Spain, Germany etc where they have B Teams don't have 92 professional teams! . If we only had 2 divisions then B teams would be a good idea as it would give the opportunity of players getting games - but that already exists now! . We have 72 league teams where players can get experience - we also have 20 odd in the Conference where they want these B teams to start! London Red
  • Score: 2

9:46am Fri 9 May 14

the wizard says...

Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated.
Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..
Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation.. the wizard
  • Score: -2

9:54am Fri 9 May 14

London Red says...

the wizard wrote:
Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..
Dyke is English - he was born in Hayes and lived here his whole life
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He also was on the Board of Mancester Utd for 2 years and Chairman of Brentford for 7 years - so to say he clearly doesn't understand the game is a tad wide of the mark
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I don't agree with his proposals - but BNP or UKIP as they like to be called these days - type responses are hardly the way to get a point across
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..[/p][/quote]Dyke is English - he was born in Hayes and lived here his whole life . He also was on the Board of Mancester Utd for 2 years and Chairman of Brentford for 7 years - so to say he clearly doesn't understand the game is a tad wide of the mark . I don't agree with his proposals - but BNP or UKIP as they like to be called these days - type responses are hardly the way to get a point across London Red
  • Score: 0

9:54am Fri 9 May 14

Wilesy says...

I'm all for improving the English national team, introducing the B League won't solve it on its own but could help.

Say Southampton have a B Team, Jack Stephens could have been playing in that all year - a better level than reserve or U21 games - and got 40 games under his belt. Instead he hasn't, but his handful of games for us show him to be an excellent prospect. So the lack of a B side has held him back 8 months?

If anything it may accelerate the development of more players, like Patrick Bamford going from MK to Derby, that wouldn't have happened if he'd stayed at Chelsea but could have if he'd scored 50 goals in the B League, that will get him noticed more and he will progress through the leagues.

There needs to be a cap on how high the teams can rise, not sure how that works for promotion of other teams but if it gives English youngsters more competitive football I'm for it. Obviously if the Arsenal B Team consists of French U21's then that would be a joke and shouldn't happen.

I'd be very happy to watch these B teams at the CG, more skill than we see at present.

The other points raised are very valid also, we have to try something to catch up with the other more adaptable and visionary European countries.
I'm all for improving the English national team, introducing the B League won't solve it on its own but could help. Say Southampton have a B Team, Jack Stephens could have been playing in that all year - a better level than reserve or U21 games - and got 40 games under his belt. Instead he hasn't, but his handful of games for us show him to be an excellent prospect. So the lack of a B side has held him back 8 months? If anything it may accelerate the development of more players, like Patrick Bamford going from MK to Derby, that wouldn't have happened if he'd stayed at Chelsea but could have if he'd scored 50 goals in the B League, that will get him noticed more and he will progress through the leagues. There needs to be a cap on how high the teams can rise, not sure how that works for promotion of other teams but if it gives English youngsters more competitive football I'm for it. Obviously if the Arsenal B Team consists of French U21's then that would be a joke and shouldn't happen. I'd be very happy to watch these B teams at the CG, more skill than we see at present. The other points raised are very valid also, we have to try something to catch up with the other more adaptable and visionary European countries. Wilesy
  • Score: -7

10:00am Fri 9 May 14

Cleuso says...

If any one bothered to read the 80 or so pages of the report there are some good points in it as well as nonsense.

There is recognition of the unfair distribution of money to the Premiership and that this has caused some of the issues... there is a suggestion that this could be re-dressed as a part of the "pay off" for the introduction. How long has it taken them to recognised that?

But in reality most of what is included does nothing to stop the monolith of the Premier league controlling everything within the game, even the FA. Many of the measures are there to protect interests of those clubs and including the Championship is another small step to Premier League 2.

A sad reflection of the report is that there is not one mention of the word "fans" except a passing comment on the number that attend Premiership Under 21 matches at the moment.

It does clarify as I mentioned yesterday confirmed prohibiton of a lending clubs influence on the loanee when playing for the club he is loaned to. The report suggests this prohibition is done away with to the extent that everything including the diet of the player will be controlled by the parent club....sure way for clubs to lose their independance.

Rather than dissect the rest of this report, it should be abandoned totally, a simpler solution would be

1. Limit the number of players clubs can have at any "development" age group (after all education preaches smaller class sizes are better)
2. Fund quality coaches and facilities at every league club by using the Premiership riches to ensure development is Nationwide and equal opportunity to all
3. Abandon the EPP tariffs (or what ever it is called)
4. Limit non EEC work permits to one per club
5. Return control of the game to the FA.

There's just not any chance of Dyke listening...we all know who his paymasters are.
If any one bothered to read the 80 or so pages of the report there are some good points in it as well as nonsense. There is recognition of the unfair distribution of money to the Premiership and that this has caused some of the issues... there is a suggestion that this could be re-dressed as a part of the "pay off" for the introduction. How long has it taken them to recognised that? But in reality most of what is included does nothing to stop the monolith of the Premier league controlling everything within the game, even the FA. Many of the measures are there to protect interests of those clubs and including the Championship is another small step to Premier League 2. A sad reflection of the report is that there is not one mention of the word "fans" except a passing comment on the number that attend Premiership Under 21 matches at the moment. It does clarify as I mentioned yesterday confirmed prohibiton of a lending clubs influence on the loanee when playing for the club he is loaned to. The report suggests this prohibition is done away with to the extent that everything including the diet of the player will be controlled by the parent club....sure way for clubs to lose their independance. Rather than dissect the rest of this report, it should be abandoned totally, a simpler solution would be 1. Limit the number of players clubs can have at any "development" age group (after all education preaches smaller class sizes are better) 2. Fund quality coaches and facilities at every league club by using the Premiership riches to ensure development is Nationwide and equal opportunity to all 3. Abandon the EPP tariffs (or what ever it is called) 4. Limit non EEC work permits to one per club 5. Return control of the game to the FA. There's just not any chance of Dyke listening...we all know who his paymasters are. Cleuso
  • Score: 3

10:23am Fri 9 May 14

London Red says...

Wilesy wrote:
I'm all for improving the English national team, introducing the B League won't solve it on its own but could help. Say Southampton have a B Team, Jack Stephens could have been playing in that all year - a better level than reserve or U21 games - and got 40 games under his belt. Instead he hasn't, but his handful of games for us show him to be an excellent prospect. So the lack of a B side has held him back 8 months? If anything it may accelerate the development of more players, like Patrick Bamford going from MK to Derby, that wouldn't have happened if he'd stayed at Chelsea but could have if he'd scored 50 goals in the B League, that will get him noticed more and he will progress through the leagues. There needs to be a cap on how high the teams can rise, not sure how that works for promotion of other teams but if it gives English youngsters more competitive football I'm for it. Obviously if the Arsenal B Team consists of French U21's then that would be a joke and shouldn't happen. I'd be very happy to watch these B teams at the CG, more skill than we see at present. The other points raised are very valid also, we have to try something to catch up with the other more adaptable and visionary European countries.
Wouldn't the strategic Partnerships resolve this though?
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If most L1 and L2 clubs set up say 2 or 3 and then had up to 8 players come in from these clubs - that would get potentially 384 players out on loan
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Surely that is better for the game as a whole as apposed to 250 playing in the B League (10 sides of 25 man squads) - at basically non-league level - though if they really are full of the cream - they should rise to L1 quickly
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Also the Partnerships could then go up as level to include Championship teams - so the kids could get experience at a higher level
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If say Spurs set one up with Luton, us and Brighton - they could have players like Pritchard start at the lower end and each season move up a level to see how he copes
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Also if they had a group move together they woukd bond better - potentially help the club they are at on loan more and then benefit Spurs more at the end if good enough to join their first team - or earn them a decent fee by that player being known in the FL and wanted by the level they showed they could play at
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He could do that from 20-22 and then be ready at 23 to play Premiership football with some 150 game sunder his belt - bit like Townsend who had 9 loans over that age group - would 3 long term one have been better?
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Or the loans doen't have to be year long - could be 6 months so if they are excelling they coukld step up quicker?
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Now the main issue with that is the "journey men" may suffer - as we have seen clubs like us will cut their squads down to 20 odd and then top that up with these strategic loans - so the big earning "journey men" are the ones cut from the sqaud
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That might be good for English football as they will never make the squad - but not good for football as a whole - or the economy as a whole if suddenly hundreds if not thousands of mid 20s men get made unemployed!
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: I'm all for improving the English national team, introducing the B League won't solve it on its own but could help. Say Southampton have a B Team, Jack Stephens could have been playing in that all year - a better level than reserve or U21 games - and got 40 games under his belt. Instead he hasn't, but his handful of games for us show him to be an excellent prospect. So the lack of a B side has held him back 8 months? If anything it may accelerate the development of more players, like Patrick Bamford going from MK to Derby, that wouldn't have happened if he'd stayed at Chelsea but could have if he'd scored 50 goals in the B League, that will get him noticed more and he will progress through the leagues. There needs to be a cap on how high the teams can rise, not sure how that works for promotion of other teams but if it gives English youngsters more competitive football I'm for it. Obviously if the Arsenal B Team consists of French U21's then that would be a joke and shouldn't happen. I'd be very happy to watch these B teams at the CG, more skill than we see at present. The other points raised are very valid also, we have to try something to catch up with the other more adaptable and visionary European countries.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't the strategic Partnerships resolve this though? . If most L1 and L2 clubs set up say 2 or 3 and then had up to 8 players come in from these clubs - that would get potentially 384 players out on loan . Surely that is better for the game as a whole as apposed to 250 playing in the B League (10 sides of 25 man squads) - at basically non-league level - though if they really are full of the cream - they should rise to L1 quickly . Also the Partnerships could then go up as level to include Championship teams - so the kids could get experience at a higher level . If say Spurs set one up with Luton, us and Brighton - they could have players like Pritchard start at the lower end and each season move up a level to see how he copes . Also if they had a group move together they woukd bond better - potentially help the club they are at on loan more and then benefit Spurs more at the end if good enough to join their first team - or earn them a decent fee by that player being known in the FL and wanted by the level they showed they could play at . He could do that from 20-22 and then be ready at 23 to play Premiership football with some 150 game sunder his belt - bit like Townsend who had 9 loans over that age group - would 3 long term one have been better? . Or the loans doen't have to be year long - could be 6 months so if they are excelling they coukld step up quicker? . Now the main issue with that is the "journey men" may suffer - as we have seen clubs like us will cut their squads down to 20 odd and then top that up with these strategic loans - so the big earning "journey men" are the ones cut from the sqaud . That might be good for English football as they will never make the squad - but not good for football as a whole - or the economy as a whole if suddenly hundreds if not thousands of mid 20s men get made unemployed! London Red
  • Score: -1

10:34am Fri 9 May 14

Moonraker1983 says...

London Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
I'm all for improving the English national team, introducing the B League won't solve it on its own but could help. Say Southampton have a B Team, Jack Stephens could have been playing in that all year - a better level than reserve or U21 games - and got 40 games under his belt. Instead he hasn't, but his handful of games for us show him to be an excellent prospect. So the lack of a B side has held him back 8 months? If anything it may accelerate the development of more players, like Patrick Bamford going from MK to Derby, that wouldn't have happened if he'd stayed at Chelsea but could have if he'd scored 50 goals in the B League, that will get him noticed more and he will progress through the leagues. There needs to be a cap on how high the teams can rise, not sure how that works for promotion of other teams but if it gives English youngsters more competitive football I'm for it. Obviously if the Arsenal B Team consists of French U21's then that would be a joke and shouldn't happen. I'd be very happy to watch these B teams at the CG, more skill than we see at present. The other points raised are very valid also, we have to try something to catch up with the other more adaptable and visionary European countries.Wouldn't the strategic Partnerships resolve this though?
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If most L1 and L2 clubs set up say 2 or 3 and then had up to 8 players come in from these clubs - that would get potentially 384 players out on loan
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Surely that is better for the game as a whole as apposed to 250 playing in the B League (10 sides of 25 man squads) - at basically non-league level - though if they really are full of the cream - they should rise to L1 quickly
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Also the Partnerships could then go up as level to include Championship teams - so the kids could get experience at a higher level
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If say Spurs set one up with Luton, us and Brighton - they could have players like Pritchard start at the lower end and each season move up a level to see how he copes
.
Also if they had a group move together they woukd bond better - potentially help the club they are at on loan more and then benefit Spurs more at the end if good enough to join their first team - or earn them a decent fee by that player being known in the FL and wanted by the level they showed they could play at
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He could do that from 20-22 and then be ready at 23 to play Premiership football with some 150 game sunder his belt - bit like Townsend who had 9 loans over that age group - would 3 long term one have been better?
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Or the loans doen't have to be year long - could be 6 months so if they are excelling they coukld step up quicker?
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Now the main issue with that is the "journey men" may suffer - as we have seen clubs like us will cut their squads down to 20 odd and then top that up with these strategic loans - so the big earning "journey men" are the ones cut from the sqaud
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That might be good for English football as they will never make the squad - but not good for football as a whole - or the economy as a whole if suddenly hundreds if not thousands of mid 20s men get made unemployed!"Now the main issue with that is the "journey men" may suffer - as we have seen clubs like us will cut their squads down to 20 odd and then top that up with these strategic loans - so the big earning "journey men" are the ones cut from the sqaud"

With the removal of non-EU players, there will be demand for journeymen type players.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: I'm all for improving the English national team, introducing the B League won't solve it on its own but could help. Say Southampton have a B Team, Jack Stephens could have been playing in that all year - a better level than reserve or U21 games - and got 40 games under his belt. Instead he hasn't, but his handful of games for us show him to be an excellent prospect. So the lack of a B side has held him back 8 months? If anything it may accelerate the development of more players, like Patrick Bamford going from MK to Derby, that wouldn't have happened if he'd stayed at Chelsea but could have if he'd scored 50 goals in the B League, that will get him noticed more and he will progress through the leagues. There needs to be a cap on how high the teams can rise, not sure how that works for promotion of other teams but if it gives English youngsters more competitive football I'm for it. Obviously if the Arsenal B Team consists of French U21's then that would be a joke and shouldn't happen. I'd be very happy to watch these B teams at the CG, more skill than we see at present. The other points raised are very valid also, we have to try something to catch up with the other more adaptable and visionary European countries.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't the strategic Partnerships resolve this though? . If most L1 and L2 clubs set up say 2 or 3 and then had up to 8 players come in from these clubs - that would get potentially 384 players out on loan . Surely that is better for the game as a whole as apposed to 250 playing in the B League (10 sides of 25 man squads) - at basically non-league level - though if they really are full of the cream - they should rise to L1 quickly . Also the Partnerships could then go up as level to include Championship teams - so the kids could get experience at a higher level . If say Spurs set one up with Luton, us and Brighton - they could have players like Pritchard start at the lower end and each season move up a level to see how he copes . Also if they had a group move together they woukd bond better - potentially help the club they are at on loan more and then benefit Spurs more at the end if good enough to join their first team - or earn them a decent fee by that player being known in the FL and wanted by the level they showed they could play at . He could do that from 20-22 and then be ready at 23 to play Premiership football with some 150 game sunder his belt - bit like Townsend who had 9 loans over that age group - would 3 long term one have been better? . Or the loans doen't have to be year long - could be 6 months so if they are excelling they coukld step up quicker? . Now the main issue with that is the "journey men" may suffer - as we have seen clubs like us will cut their squads down to 20 odd and then top that up with these strategic loans - so the big earning "journey men" are the ones cut from the sqaud . That might be good for English football as they will never make the squad - but not good for football as a whole - or the economy as a whole if suddenly hundreds if not thousands of mid 20s men get made unemployed![/p][/quote][quote]"Now the main issue with that is the "journey men" may suffer - as we have seen clubs like us will cut their squads down to 20 odd and then top that up with these strategic loans - so the big earning "journey men" are the ones cut from the sqaud"[quote] With the removal of non-EU players, there will be demand for journeymen type players. Moonraker1983
  • Score: 0

10:36am Fri 9 May 14

Moonraker1983 says...

Good lord, I have no idea what happened to that last post. Edit function would be great right now...
Good lord, I have no idea what happened to that last post. Edit function would be great right now... Moonraker1983
  • Score: 0

10:43am Fri 9 May 14

eareds says...

This report is totally flawed, and show the true quality of the people running the game.yes the premier league can enter B teams but these will come under the same rules as their first teams, soon they will have more foreign players in the B tyeams as well so own goal or what. The only way forward is to offer the premier teams what the crave most, CASH, in a similar way they do in cricket, if a county brings on a player whom then plays for England then that counties gets a developement windfall. England teams will not improve until the IQ of the players is improved they are simply too thick to compete at international level,
We also have to except that future England teams will have a larger quota of Chamionship players in them, this is no bad thing, I can remember the chants at Swindon " Rogers for England" in the late sixties and early seventies, the most important part of an England player should be desire, when we continually see the lack lustre performances from the prem prima donna's, then why not someone from the Chamionship with a bit of heart and soul.
The malaise in youth developement is down to the F.A.'s total lack of commitment to youth developement, teams like Swindon should be playing a vital role in bringing the next generation through, we can see from our starting line up the benefit of this, they may not be international class yet, however the more we produce the more chance there will be of one golden nugget at the end of the rainbow, and that is the same for every club in the lower leagues, like Kevin Keegan they have to start some where
This report is totally flawed, and show the true quality of the people running the game.yes the premier league can enter B teams but these will come under the same rules as their first teams, soon they will have more foreign players in the B tyeams as well so own goal or what. The only way forward is to offer the premier teams what the crave most, CASH, in a similar way they do in cricket, if a county brings on a player whom then plays for England then that counties gets a developement windfall. England teams will not improve until the IQ of the players is improved they are simply too thick to compete at international level, We also have to except that future England teams will have a larger quota of Chamionship players in them, this is no bad thing, I can remember the chants at Swindon " Rogers for England" in the late sixties and early seventies, the most important part of an England player should be desire, when we continually see the lack lustre performances from the prem prima donna's, then why not someone from the Chamionship with a bit of heart and soul. The malaise in youth developement is down to the F.A.'s total lack of commitment to youth developement, teams like Swindon should be playing a vital role in bringing the next generation through, we can see from our starting line up the benefit of this, they may not be international class yet, however the more we produce the more chance there will be of one golden nugget at the end of the rainbow, and that is the same for every club in the lower leagues, like Kevin Keegan they have to start some where eareds
  • Score: 1

11:04am Fri 9 May 14

Oxon-Red says...

Dyke should have stuck to acting. He was great in Mary Poppins and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

I assume these B Teams will have massive support Home and Away ! Be great for Aldershot to play at Old Trafford in front of 1,100 fans.

If he wants talent to emerge he should look at the Crewe or Saints model which produce excellent players by not being frightened to play them at a young age.

Too many kids at the big clubs IMO, as a result too much competition and too much pressure. Leave the kids at the smaller clubs to progress, let teams have a first refusal rather than them removing them often many miles from home.

If you want a B League set one up but keep it away from the Football League, used to be one called the Football Combination I believe.

COYMR
Dyke should have stuck to acting. He was great in Mary Poppins and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. I assume these B Teams will have massive support Home and Away ! Be great for Aldershot to play at Old Trafford in front of 1,100 fans. If he wants talent to emerge he should look at the Crewe or Saints model which produce excellent players by not being frightened to play them at a young age. Too many kids at the big clubs IMO, as a result too much competition and too much pressure. Leave the kids at the smaller clubs to progress, let teams have a first refusal rather than them removing them often many miles from home. If you want a B League set one up but keep it away from the Football League, used to be one called the Football Combination I believe. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

11:20am Fri 9 May 14

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

London Red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..
Dyke is English - he was born in Hayes and lived here his whole life
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He also was on the Board of Mancester Utd for 2 years and Chairman of Brentford for 7 years - so to say he clearly doesn't understand the game is a tad wide of the mark
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I don't agree with his proposals - but BNP or UKIP as they like to be called these days - type responses are hardly the way to get a point across
How do you feel about the Marxist Party proposals or Labour Party as they like to be called these days ?
Dont use the Town Football Forum to tell us your political views London Red !
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..[/p][/quote]Dyke is English - he was born in Hayes and lived here his whole life . He also was on the Board of Mancester Utd for 2 years and Chairman of Brentford for 7 years - so to say he clearly doesn't understand the game is a tad wide of the mark . I don't agree with his proposals - but BNP or UKIP as they like to be called these days - type responses are hardly the way to get a point across[/p][/quote]How do you feel about the Marxist Party proposals or Labour Party as they like to be called these days ? Dont use the Town Football Forum to tell us your political views London Red ! Old-Stager, Hilperton
  • Score: -1

11:29am Fri 9 May 14

lifelong red says...

Often watch premiership games with the sole purpose of trying to identify young talent who could become England material , to be honest , apart from saints lads and one or two others theirs not that much on offer , although Ross Bartley at Everton seems an exceptional talent . With regards to this latest report , something has to be done to stop the decline in our national team - whether its a good or bad one , I really don't know at this point , not really had time to study the detail .
Often watch premiership games with the sole purpose of trying to identify young talent who could become England material , to be honest , apart from saints lads and one or two others theirs not that much on offer , although Ross Bartley at Everton seems an exceptional talent . With regards to this latest report , something has to be done to stop the decline in our national team - whether its a good or bad one , I really don't know at this point , not really had time to study the detail . lifelong red
  • Score: 0

11:30am Fri 9 May 14

Redgollum says...

What happens when a B team gets promoted? Or relegated? If any of them are any good, they could end up in the premiership. So we could have Chelsea v Chelsea B as a fixture. That scenario is open to corruption.
What happened to the old Football Combination?
What happens when a B team gets promoted? Or relegated? If any of them are any good, they could end up in the premiership. So we could have Chelsea v Chelsea B as a fixture. That scenario is open to corruption. What happened to the old Football Combination? Redgollum
  • Score: 0

12:00pm Fri 9 May 14

Oxon-Red says...

Redgollum wrote:
What happens when a B team gets promoted? Or relegated? If any of them are any good, they could end up in the premiership. So we could have Chelsea v Chelsea B as a fixture. That scenario is open to corruption. What happened to the old Football Combination?
Would also add. What happens if a premiership team not in the original 10 want to have a B Team ?
[quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: What happens when a B team gets promoted? Or relegated? If any of them are any good, they could end up in the premiership. So we could have Chelsea v Chelsea B as a fixture. That scenario is open to corruption. What happened to the old Football Combination?[/p][/quote]Would also add. What happens if a premiership team not in the original 10 want to have a B Team ? Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

12:03pm Fri 9 May 14

grovesie says...

Ah the Football Combination! What a great idea with a proper, regular comp for not quite first team players, those returning from injury and youth talent to hone their skills. Love to see it brought back but Football League with head in the sand AGAIN.
Ah the Football Combination! What a great idea with a proper, regular comp for not quite first team players, those returning from injury and youth talent to hone their skills. Love to see it brought back but Football League with head in the sand AGAIN. grovesie
  • Score: 2

12:05pm Fri 9 May 14

London Red says...

Redgollum wrote:
What happens when a B team gets promoted? Or relegated? If any of them are any good, they could end up in the premiership. So we could have Chelsea v Chelsea B as a fixture. That scenario is open to corruption. What happened to the old Football Combination?
In Spain they are limited to the league below - so La liga B or whatever it is called
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Here it has been said they are limited to L1 level
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Squads or Clubs will potentially not stay great as the age limit is 21 - or most of the squad have to be under that - so players will have to leave the B team at a certain age - that might suddenly make Spurs B rubbish if Townsend, Keane, Pritchard, Mason etc suddenly all left in one year as that age group "matured"
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But as Wenger has said isn't this league basically the U2 league in place now?
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One suggestin could be to open up the JPT to these U21 teams - so they compete against professionals and gives lower league clubs the chance to play some potentially good teams
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That wouldn't effect the league and may even make the JPT more appealing
[quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: What happens when a B team gets promoted? Or relegated? If any of them are any good, they could end up in the premiership. So we could have Chelsea v Chelsea B as a fixture. That scenario is open to corruption. What happened to the old Football Combination?[/p][/quote]In Spain they are limited to the league below - so La liga B or whatever it is called . Here it has been said they are limited to L1 level . Squads or Clubs will potentially not stay great as the age limit is 21 - or most of the squad have to be under that - so players will have to leave the B team at a certain age - that might suddenly make Spurs B rubbish if Townsend, Keane, Pritchard, Mason etc suddenly all left in one year as that age group "matured" . But as Wenger has said isn't this league basically the U2 league in place now? . One suggestin could be to open up the JPT to these U21 teams - so they compete against professionals and gives lower league clubs the chance to play some potentially good teams . That wouldn't effect the league and may even make the JPT more appealing London Red
  • Score: 0

12:06pm Fri 9 May 14

London Red says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
London Red wrote:
the wizard wrote: Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..
Dyke is English - he was born in Hayes and lived here his whole life . He also was on the Board of Mancester Utd for 2 years and Chairman of Brentford for 7 years - so to say he clearly doesn't understand the game is a tad wide of the mark . I don't agree with his proposals - but BNP or UKIP as they like to be called these days - type responses are hardly the way to get a point across
How do you feel about the Marxist Party proposals or Labour Party as they like to be called these days ? Dont use the Town Football Forum to tell us your political views London Red !
Not political - just pointing out slating someone for being a Yank (even when they are English) is a tad racist!
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..[/p][/quote]Dyke is English - he was born in Hayes and lived here his whole life . He also was on the Board of Mancester Utd for 2 years and Chairman of Brentford for 7 years - so to say he clearly doesn't understand the game is a tad wide of the mark . I don't agree with his proposals - but BNP or UKIP as they like to be called these days - type responses are hardly the way to get a point across[/p][/quote]How do you feel about the Marxist Party proposals or Labour Party as they like to be called these days ? Dont use the Town Football Forum to tell us your political views London Red ![/p][/quote]Not political - just pointing out slating someone for being a Yank (even when they are English) is a tad racist! London Red
  • Score: -2

12:08pm Fri 9 May 14

London Red says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Redgollum wrote: What happens when a B team gets promoted? Or relegated? If any of them are any good, they could end up in the premiership. So we could have Chelsea v Chelsea B as a fixture. That scenario is open to corruption. What happened to the old Football Combination?
Would also add. What happens if a premiership team not in the original 10 want to have a B Team ?
Very good point - especially if the 10 are not just the 10 who never get relegated!
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So WBA suddenly have to drop out and are replaced by Leicester - only to change again next season?
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Also what happens to Wolves B in L1 when Wolves A drop into L1?
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: What happens when a B team gets promoted? Or relegated? If any of them are any good, they could end up in the premiership. So we could have Chelsea v Chelsea B as a fixture. That scenario is open to corruption. What happened to the old Football Combination?[/p][/quote]Would also add. What happens if a premiership team not in the original 10 want to have a B Team ?[/p][/quote]Very good point - especially if the 10 are not just the 10 who never get relegated! . So WBA suddenly have to drop out and are replaced by Leicester - only to change again next season? . Also what happens to Wolves B in L1 when Wolves A drop into L1? London Red
  • Score: 0

12:37pm Fri 9 May 14

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

London Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
London Red wrote:
the wizard wrote: Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..
Dyke is English - he was born in Hayes and lived here his whole life . He also was on the Board of Mancester Utd for 2 years and Chairman of Brentford for 7 years - so to say he clearly doesn't understand the game is a tad wide of the mark . I don't agree with his proposals - but BNP or UKIP as they like to be called these days - type responses are hardly the way to get a point across
How do you feel about the Marxist Party proposals or Labour Party as they like to be called these days ? Dont use the Town Football Forum to tell us your political views London Red !
Not political - just pointing out slating someone for being a Yank (even when they are English) is a tad racist!
UKIP are not a racist party as you well know, so stop trying to be smart and political.
To try to associate the BNP with UKIP, would be exactly the same as suggesting the Lib Dems and the Labour Party were Trotskyists or Marxists, as I am sure you will comprehend.
We all know that Greg Dyke is not a Yank, and that he once headed the BBC and that he made his name with Roland the Rat.
Just try to stick to Football London Red
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..[/p][/quote]Dyke is English - he was born in Hayes and lived here his whole life . He also was on the Board of Mancester Utd for 2 years and Chairman of Brentford for 7 years - so to say he clearly doesn't understand the game is a tad wide of the mark . I don't agree with his proposals - but BNP or UKIP as they like to be called these days - type responses are hardly the way to get a point across[/p][/quote]How do you feel about the Marxist Party proposals or Labour Party as they like to be called these days ? Dont use the Town Football Forum to tell us your political views London Red ![/p][/quote]Not political - just pointing out slating someone for being a Yank (even when they are English) is a tad racist![/p][/quote]UKIP are not a racist party as you well know, so stop trying to be smart and political. To try to associate the BNP with UKIP, would be exactly the same as suggesting the Lib Dems and the Labour Party were Trotskyists or Marxists, as I am sure you will comprehend. We all know that Greg Dyke is not a Yank, and that he once headed the BBC and that he made his name with Roland the Rat. Just try to stick to Football London Red Old-Stager, Hilperton
  • Score: -1

12:51pm Fri 9 May 14

London Red says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
London Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
London Red wrote:
the wizard wrote: Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..
Dyke is English - he was born in Hayes and lived here his whole life . He also was on the Board of Mancester Utd for 2 years and Chairman of Brentford for 7 years - so to say he clearly doesn't understand the game is a tad wide of the mark . I don't agree with his proposals - but BNP or UKIP as they like to be called these days - type responses are hardly the way to get a point across
How do you feel about the Marxist Party proposals or Labour Party as they like to be called these days ? Dont use the Town Football Forum to tell us your political views London Red !
Not political - just pointing out slating someone for being a Yank (even when they are English) is a tad racist!
UKIP are not a racist party as you well know, so stop trying to be smart and political. To try to associate the BNP with UKIP, would be exactly the same as suggesting the Lib Dems and the Labour Party were Trotskyists or Marxists, as I am sure you will comprehend. We all know that Greg Dyke is not a Yank, and that he once headed the BBC and that he made his name with Roland the Rat. Just try to stick to Football London Red
UKIP not raciest! Did you miss all their recent advertising and articles?
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You can put make up on a pig and it still a pig!
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..[/p][/quote]Dyke is English - he was born in Hayes and lived here his whole life . He also was on the Board of Mancester Utd for 2 years and Chairman of Brentford for 7 years - so to say he clearly doesn't understand the game is a tad wide of the mark . I don't agree with his proposals - but BNP or UKIP as they like to be called these days - type responses are hardly the way to get a point across[/p][/quote]How do you feel about the Marxist Party proposals or Labour Party as they like to be called these days ? Dont use the Town Football Forum to tell us your political views London Red ![/p][/quote]Not political - just pointing out slating someone for being a Yank (even when they are English) is a tad racist![/p][/quote]UKIP are not a racist party as you well know, so stop trying to be smart and political. To try to associate the BNP with UKIP, would be exactly the same as suggesting the Lib Dems and the Labour Party were Trotskyists or Marxists, as I am sure you will comprehend. We all know that Greg Dyke is not a Yank, and that he once headed the BBC and that he made his name with Roland the Rat. Just try to stick to Football London Red[/p][/quote]UKIP not raciest! Did you miss all their recent advertising and articles? . You can put make up on a pig and it still a pig! London Red
  • Score: -2

1:13pm Fri 9 May 14

MITTED says...

The solution is simple. Get rid of the ludicrous EPPP which was imposed on league clubs by bully boy tactics of the Greed League and secondly, a much fairer distribution of TV money. If the FA try to go ahead with this, I can see a massive back-lash from fans, starting by boycotting attendance of FA Cup and England games. Think about it Mr Dyke.
The solution is simple. Get rid of the ludicrous EPPP which was imposed on league clubs by bully boy tactics of the Greed League and secondly, a much fairer distribution of TV money. If the FA try to go ahead with this, I can see a massive back-lash from fans, starting by boycotting attendance of FA Cup and England games. Think about it Mr Dyke. MITTED
  • Score: 0

1:23pm Fri 9 May 14

London Red says...

MITTED wrote:
The solution is simple. Get rid of the ludicrous EPPP which was imposed on league clubs by bully boy tactics of the Greed League and secondly, a much fairer distribution of TV money. If the FA try to go ahead with this, I can see a massive back-lash from fans, starting by boycotting attendance of FA Cup and England games. Think about it Mr Dyke.
The other things to try is similar to the French - where they have regional training centre for certain age groups and then it is only at a certain age they can be signed up by clubs
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That is sort of what Wenger was hinting at by saying there is not enough training for kids - so lets set up regional centres with lots of qualified coaches teaching kids
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If we had that and then at 15 or whatever the upper age is deemed to be we are only competing with other South West sides we would probably have a better chance of landing some decent talent - as not all would be at the Premeiership sides - especially if clubs were limited to what they could offer or how many they could take on
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Also it could allow clus to speciualise their academies to a single age range of 1st and 2nd year scholers who can then be trained with the aim of progression into the clubs first team - bit like us landing Storey, Tozer and Morrison
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: The solution is simple. Get rid of the ludicrous EPPP which was imposed on league clubs by bully boy tactics of the Greed League and secondly, a much fairer distribution of TV money. If the FA try to go ahead with this, I can see a massive back-lash from fans, starting by boycotting attendance of FA Cup and England games. Think about it Mr Dyke.[/p][/quote]The other things to try is similar to the French - where they have regional training centre for certain age groups and then it is only at a certain age they can be signed up by clubs . That is sort of what Wenger was hinting at by saying there is not enough training for kids - so lets set up regional centres with lots of qualified coaches teaching kids . If we had that and then at 15 or whatever the upper age is deemed to be we are only competing with other South West sides we would probably have a better chance of landing some decent talent - as not all would be at the Premeiership sides - especially if clubs were limited to what they could offer or how many they could take on . Also it could allow clus to speciualise their academies to a single age range of 1st and 2nd year scholers who can then be trained with the aim of progression into the clubs first team - bit like us landing Storey, Tozer and Morrison London Red
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Fri 9 May 14

old town robin says...

To add another point to the debate why the number of British players have declined at the highest level. I believe it is inevitable if clubs appoint foreign coaches to manage their teams, then the signings they make are going to come from the same country they have made their reputation based on knowledge of the skills of players in their respective leagues and the contacts they have.

Arsene Wenger has flooded the league with his French contingent and Toon tried it but failed. Perigrini is going to be biased to bring in Spanish or Latin American players, Jose summer signings will mostly be made of Spaniards or Portuguese and you can put your money on van Gaal will not be looking to sign too many English players when he arrives at Utd.

Unfortunately the David Moyes episode does not reflect good when a British manager is given the chance to prove himself. There are probably many reasons he failed and being a bad manager was not one of them, More to the point he tried to turn UTD into an Everton and getting rid of key staff and trying to manage millionaire players as if they were kids was doomed to failure from the start.

As others have said we don't have anywhere near enough qualified coaches and it is probably also true to say we don't have enough all weather training facilities either. These are the areas we should be looking to invest, not giving all the best jobs to foreign mercenaries.

There are probably a top 100 foreign players including the likes of Saurez and YaYa Toure who are a joy to watch and good for the best league in the world, but for far to many of them they are no better than could be found at home, they are here to make money and add nothing to our national team needs. Until top teams employ more British coaches there will be no change in the trend of importing foreign players with their obscene salaries
To add another point to the debate why the number of British players have declined at the highest level. I believe it is inevitable if clubs appoint foreign coaches to manage their teams, then the signings they make are going to come from the same country they have made their reputation based on knowledge of the skills of players in their respective leagues and the contacts they have. Arsene Wenger has flooded the league with his French contingent and Toon tried it but failed. Perigrini is going to be biased to bring in Spanish or Latin American players, Jose summer signings will mostly be made of Spaniards or Portuguese and you can put your money on van Gaal will not be looking to sign too many English players when he arrives at Utd. Unfortunately the David Moyes episode does not reflect good when a British manager is given the chance to prove himself. There are probably many reasons he failed and being a bad manager was not one of them, More to the point he tried to turn UTD into an Everton and getting rid of key staff and trying to manage millionaire players as if they were kids was doomed to failure from the start. As others have said we don't have anywhere near enough qualified coaches and it is probably also true to say we don't have enough all weather training facilities either. These are the areas we should be looking to invest, not giving all the best jobs to foreign mercenaries. There are probably a top 100 foreign players including the likes of Saurez and YaYa Toure who are a joy to watch and good for the best league in the world, but for far to many of them they are no better than could be found at home, they are here to make money and add nothing to our national team needs. Until top teams employ more British coaches there will be no change in the trend of importing foreign players with their obscene salaries old town robin
  • Score: 1

2:13pm Fri 9 May 14

Oxon-Red says...

I reckon the best idea is to set up a European League then our Foreign teams like Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Man City, Man Utd and Spurs can play against their fellow countrymen. It would perhaps leave the rest of the teams to play in an English League with hopefully mainly British players.
I reckon the best idea is to set up a European League then our Foreign teams like Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Man City, Man Utd and Spurs can play against their fellow countrymen. It would perhaps leave the rest of the teams to play in an English League with hopefully mainly British players. Oxon-Red
  • Score: 3

2:28pm Fri 9 May 14

Oi Den! says...

Why don't they just have their own reserve League? The FA chose to create the money making monster that's the Premier League. Let them lie on the bed they made. As things are now they sign vast numbers of players they may never need and they expect Football League clubs to look after them. If the number of loans was reduced the Football League would be no worse off. In fact, it may be a good deal better off. Clubs would find their own level. We would have players committed to our club and not, as manc put it so well, stopping at a staging post.
Why don't they just have their own reserve League? The FA chose to create the money making monster that's the Premier League. Let them lie on the bed they made. As things are now they sign vast numbers of players they may never need and they expect Football League clubs to look after them. If the number of loans was reduced the Football League would be no worse off. In fact, it may be a good deal better off. Clubs would find their own level. We would have players committed to our club and not, as manc put it so well, stopping at a staging post. Oi Den!
  • Score: 5

2:55pm Fri 9 May 14

tifosi says...

London Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
London Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
London Red wrote:
the wizard wrote: Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..
Dyke is English - he was born in Hayes and lived here his whole life . He also was on the Board of Mancester Utd for 2 years and Chairman of Brentford for 7 years - so to say he clearly doesn't understand the game is a tad wide of the mark . I don't agree with his proposals - but BNP or UKIP as they like to be called these days - type responses are hardly the way to get a point across
How do you feel about the Marxist Party proposals or Labour Party as they like to be called these days ? Dont use the Town Football Forum to tell us your political views London Red !
Not political - just pointing out slating someone for being a Yank (even when they are English) is a tad racist!
UKIP are not a racist party as you well know, so stop trying to be smart and political. To try to associate the BNP with UKIP, would be exactly the same as suggesting the Lib Dems and the Labour Party were Trotskyists or Marxists, as I am sure you will comprehend. We all know that Greg Dyke is not a Yank, and that he once headed the BBC and that he made his name with Roland the Rat. Just try to stick to Football London Red
UKIP not raciest! Did you miss all their recent advertising and articles?
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You can put make up on a pig and it still a pig!
UKIP is not racist - which article or advertising from UKIP is racist precisely?
UKIP is a libertarian party and stands for controlled immigration as in Australia, and the right to make our own laws instead of being dictated to by an unelected commission. However as old stager rightly says, stick to football LR - your analysis is first class, but your political nous is zilch. Linking UKIP to BNP is laughable.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Dyke is a yank who will not be around for long, and his is how he will leave his stamp on the English game, a game which he does not clearly understand. If he wishes as passionately as he claims to improve our game and our league set up and development of players then perhaps he should at least consult all levels that are affected by this declaration. I would suggest that there will be more than a few very angry chairmen who will wish to reject these rather biased proposals. Are these added teams also eligible for the Cup competitions as well ? a money spinner for the smaller clubs, standing an even bigger chance of being knocked out earlier so less revenue generated. Typical Yank, bluster in, make a mess, pull out, and leave it to the next guy to sort out. Very difficult to disband once it is set up. FL chairmen need to stand very steadfastly against this, but the other idiot Blatter is likely to give it approval. The whole set up has gone pear shaped with SKY money, probably without Sky somebody else would have stepped in, but with all this money floating around, is the game "that much" better as a whole ?? sometimes I often wonder. If Murdock takes his sponsorship elsewhere I hate to think of the consequence to the Premier clubs, not that I like them, but the knock on would be one of devastation..[/p][/quote]Dyke is English - he was born in Hayes and lived here his whole life . He also was on the Board of Mancester Utd for 2 years and Chairman of Brentford for 7 years - so to say he clearly doesn't understand the game is a tad wide of the mark . I don't agree with his proposals - but BNP or UKIP as they like to be called these days - type responses are hardly the way to get a point across[/p][/quote]How do you feel about the Marxist Party proposals or Labour Party as they like to be called these days ? Dont use the Town Football Forum to tell us your political views London Red ![/p][/quote]Not political - just pointing out slating someone for being a Yank (even when they are English) is a tad racist![/p][/quote]UKIP are not a racist party as you well know, so stop trying to be smart and political. To try to associate the BNP with UKIP, would be exactly the same as suggesting the Lib Dems and the Labour Party were Trotskyists or Marxists, as I am sure you will comprehend. We all know that Greg Dyke is not a Yank, and that he once headed the BBC and that he made his name with Roland the Rat. Just try to stick to Football London Red[/p][/quote]UKIP not raciest! Did you miss all their recent advertising and articles? . You can put make up on a pig and it still a pig![/p][/quote]UKIP is not racist - which article or advertising from UKIP is racist precisely? UKIP is a libertarian party and stands for controlled immigration as in Australia, and the right to make our own laws instead of being dictated to by an unelected commission. However as old stager rightly says, stick to football LR - your analysis is first class, but your political nous is zilch. Linking UKIP to BNP is laughable. tifosi
  • Score: 1

2:59pm Fri 9 May 14

Lanzared says...

Having lived in Lanzarote for 8 years, I did attend UD Lanzarote's home fixtures.

They played in the Spanish 3rd Divison and many of the bigger cluds, including Real Madrid had B teams in the league where they blooded their youngsters against pro's who would probably cut it against the likes of Oxford and Rovers. The B teams did not get promoted. They stay in the league and the play off places are settled between the top 4 non-B teams. From someone who has watched this level of football and the talent that sits on benches all over Spain, this was both good for the players and the supporters.

I for one think that it is great idea.
Having lived in Lanzarote for 8 years, I did attend UD Lanzarote's home fixtures. They played in the Spanish 3rd Divison and many of the bigger cluds, including Real Madrid had B teams in the league where they blooded their youngsters against pro's who would probably cut it against the likes of Oxford and Rovers. The B teams did not get promoted. They stay in the league and the play off places are settled between the top 4 non-B teams. From someone who has watched this level of football and the talent that sits on benches all over Spain, this was both good for the players and the supporters. I for one think that it is great idea. Lanzared
  • Score: -1

3:15pm Fri 9 May 14

the wizard says...

Sorry, I dunno why I thought Gregg was a Yank, when he obviously isn't. Still think he is a "Yosser Yates" for this plan though.. By the way LR, if you think he knows all about English football then why leave Man Ure, and Brentford. He may claim to understand the game, but obviously not the feelings of supporters of lower league clubs. This isn't about football, it's all about Premier League clubs and money for PL clubs. I cannot see the likes of STFC getting any benefit from this proposal. Elitism is what it is about.
Sorry, I dunno why I thought Gregg was a Yank, when he obviously isn't. Still think he is a "Yosser Yates" for this plan though.. By the way LR, if you think he knows all about English football then why leave Man Ure, and Brentford. He may claim to understand the game, but obviously not the feelings of supporters of lower league clubs. This isn't about football, it's all about Premier League clubs and money for PL clubs. I cannot see the likes of STFC getting any benefit from this proposal. Elitism is what it is about. the wizard
  • Score: 0

3:45pm Fri 9 May 14

London Red says...

the wizard wrote:
Sorry, I dunno why I thought Gregg was a Yank, when he obviously isn't. Still think he is a "Yosser Yates" for this plan though.. By the way LR, if you think he knows all about English football then why leave Man Ure, and Brentford. He may claim to understand the game, but obviously not the feelings of supporters of lower league clubs. This isn't about football, it's all about Premier League clubs and money for PL clubs. I cannot see the likes of STFC getting any benefit from this proposal. Elitism is what it is about.
He left Man U when he took over at the BBC - stating it was seen as a conflict of interest to both buy and sell football rights
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He then left Brentford again due to conflict of interests - you can hardly be head of the FA and a club!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Sorry, I dunno why I thought Gregg was a Yank, when he obviously isn't. Still think he is a "Yosser Yates" for this plan though.. By the way LR, if you think he knows all about English football then why leave Man Ure, and Brentford. He may claim to understand the game, but obviously not the feelings of supporters of lower league clubs. This isn't about football, it's all about Premier League clubs and money for PL clubs. I cannot see the likes of STFC getting any benefit from this proposal. Elitism is what it is about.[/p][/quote]He left Man U when he took over at the BBC - stating it was seen as a conflict of interest to both buy and sell football rights . He then left Brentford again due to conflict of interests - you can hardly be head of the FA and a club! London Red
  • Score: 0

4:10pm Fri 9 May 14

lifelong red says...

I don't see how competing against teams from the conference is going to improve potential England players , surely they need to be playing against teams of higher quality in order to improve and therefore become candidates for the full England team .I think part of this issue has been brought about by the rich owners of prem clubs who in their **** for success totally disregard home grown talent in favour of mega bucks players mainly from abroad , this has been ongoing now for a number of years so no surprise that the lack of English talent coming through the system is now an issue . Quite how they get round this is up for debate , but I don't think the latest proposals are the answer.
I don't see how competing against teams from the conference is going to improve potential England players , surely they need to be playing against teams of higher quality in order to improve and therefore become candidates for the full England team .I think part of this issue has been brought about by the rich owners of prem clubs who in their **** for success totally disregard home grown talent in favour of mega bucks players mainly from abroad , this has been ongoing now for a number of years so no surprise that the lack of English talent coming through the system is now an issue . Quite how they get round this is up for debate , but I don't think the latest proposals are the answer. lifelong red
  • Score: 3

4:31pm Fri 9 May 14

smirg kcab says...

You lot keep whinging, sign the petition if you don't agree
It's not rocket science, well it is to some on here
You lot keep whinging, sign the petition if you don't agree It's not rocket science, well it is to some on here smirg kcab
  • Score: 1

6:17pm Fri 9 May 14

lifelong red says...

I just don't believe there is a lack of English talent about , I think there is plenty ,the problem seems to be that top prem clubs cannot be bothered or have the patience to give these kids a chance - would sooner opt for big money signing instead , the **** to get into champions league being the main culprit .Take our very own Alex Henshaw - an outstanding talent ,went to Man City , but never given a look in - not surprising when buried under an avalanche of expensive signings
I just don't believe there is a lack of English talent about , I think there is plenty ,the problem seems to be that top prem clubs cannot be bothered or have the patience to give these kids a chance - would sooner opt for big money signing instead , the **** to get into champions league being the main culprit .Take our very own Alex Henshaw - an outstanding talent ,went to Man City , but never given a look in - not surprising when buried under an avalanche of expensive signings lifelong red
  • Score: 0

6:27pm Fri 9 May 14

Red Rascal says...

To be honest I don't give a s**t about watching a few overpaid premership players shed a few crocodile tears each time England get knocked out of a tournament every few years. I'm much more concerned with what happens to STFC and I can only see this proposal as extremely detrimental to the team I support week in week out
To be honest I don't give a s**t about watching a few overpaid premership players shed a few crocodile tears each time England get knocked out of a tournament every few years. I'm much more concerned with what happens to STFC and I can only see this proposal as extremely detrimental to the team I support week in week out Red Rascal
  • Score: 5

6:33pm Fri 9 May 14

Red Rascal says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
I reckon the best idea is to set up a European League then our Foreign teams like Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Man City, Man Utd and Spurs can play against their fellow countrymen. It would perhaps leave the rest of the teams to play in an English League with hopefully mainly British players.
Love this idea. Perhaps LR with his dislike of UKIP could suggest to the Lib Dems that this be taken up at once as one of their key Euro Election pledges.

Mind you I think this has been mooted before to the general horror of chairmen and fans who relish the chance of drawing one of these teams in the cup. However play them in a European league but they can still enter the English cups - likely with their B teams as they do now anyway!
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: I reckon the best idea is to set up a European League then our Foreign teams like Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Man City, Man Utd and Spurs can play against their fellow countrymen. It would perhaps leave the rest of the teams to play in an English League with hopefully mainly British players.[/p][/quote]Love this idea. Perhaps LR with his dislike of UKIP could suggest to the Lib Dems that this be taken up at once as one of their key Euro Election pledges. Mind you I think this has been mooted before to the general horror of chairmen and fans who relish the chance of drawing one of these teams in the cup. However play them in a European league but they can still enter the English cups - likely with their B teams as they do now anyway! Red Rascal
  • Score: 1

8:13pm Fri 9 May 14

Captain T says...

This plan is ridiculous beyond words. Whether these Premier League teams are 'B' or not, they ultimately have access to far greater resources, facilities, medical staff, coaching staff and finance. Let's say a 'B' team finds itself struggling near the bottom, what would stop the parent club from saying "oh here's a couple of million to help you in the transfer market" - no League 1/2/Conference team can compete with that.

No matter what Dyke says, these teams would simply be used as a feeder for the parent club - you can't stop that from happening. Try working on preventing fans from having to fork out excessive amounts for tickets so that players can take home £200k a week.
This plan is ridiculous beyond words. Whether these Premier League teams are 'B' or not, they ultimately have access to far greater resources, facilities, medical staff, coaching staff and finance. Let's say a 'B' team finds itself struggling near the bottom, what would stop the parent club from saying "oh here's a couple of million to help you in the transfer market" - no League 1/2/Conference team can compete with that. No matter what Dyke says, these teams would simply be used as a feeder for the parent club - you can't stop that from happening. Try working on preventing fans from having to fork out excessive amounts for tickets so that players can take home £200k a week. Captain T
  • Score: 1

9:36pm Fri 9 May 14

The Jockster says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Up woys wovers in there twip to bwazil
Let's hope wooney and Cawwick does woy pwoud
I've given you a thumbs up Grim, some of the minus muppets on here just have no sense of humour - made me chuckle anyway!
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Up woys wovers in there twip to bwazil Let's hope wooney and Cawwick does woy pwoud[/p][/quote]I've given you a thumbs up Grim, some of the minus muppets on here just have no sense of humour - made me chuckle anyway! The Jockster
  • Score: 0

9:48pm Fri 9 May 14

London Red says...

Can't believe I have just read the head of the Premier League is actually against the idea of a B League!
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Top story on the BBC
Can't believe I have just read the head of the Premier League is actually against the idea of a B League! . Top story on the BBC London Red
  • Score: -1

10:00pm Fri 9 May 14

the wizard says...

London Red wrote:
Can't believe I have just read the head of the Premier League is actually against the idea of a B League!
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Top story on the BBC
Obviously he has a firmer grip of the facts and doesn't like where it may take the game, and some clubs. His perspective is much better informed than most here.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Can't believe I have just read the head of the Premier League is actually against the idea of a B League! . Top story on the BBC[/p][/quote]Obviously he has a firmer grip of the facts and doesn't like where it may take the game, and some clubs. His perspective is much better informed than most here. the wizard
  • Score: 1

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