Byrne aims to be provider-in-chief for Town this term

Town wing-back Nathan Byrne

Town wing-back Nathan Byrne

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NATHAN Byrne fancies becoming Swindon Town’s king of the assists in 2014/15 after starting the new campaign at lightning-quick speed.

Byrne was the stand-out performer for the Robins in their opening-day victory over Scunthorpe United, setting up Massimo Luongo’s goal after just three minutes, and then added his second assist of the term by winning a 76th-minute penalty at Luton Town on Tuesday night, paving the way for Michael Smith to level matters from the spot.

In his new role as a right wing-back, Byrne has every intention of being the principle architect of his team’s goals as Town look to prove their doubters and detractors wrong over the coming month.

“Last season I got a few assists and four goals but I want to get more this season. Assists are a big thing for the wide players to get and if I can carry on the form I’ve got I’ll be very happy,” he told the Advertiser.

“I’ll probably getting a few chances (to score) this season but I’ll get a lots of chances to cross and create chances for people like Willo, Smudge, George Barker, Ben Gladwin, Mass - the boys who run into the box.

“That’s one of the main things I wanted to add to my game from last season.”

Byrne spent the whole of pre-season on the left of midfield where his creativeness was stifled. The wide-man was forced to cut inside on to his right foot to cross, negating his ability to beat defenders at pace.

However, the switch back to the right has brought the best out of the former Tottenham man, though he remains adamant he’s happy to play wherever manager Mark Cooper sees fit.

When asked whether his stint on the left was a frustrating time for him, he said: “I wouldn’t say I was frustrated because I trust the gaffer and I know that wherever he puts me, he thinks that’ll be best for the game. I’m happy with the way pre-season has gone, I’m feeling strong and fit and now I’m feeling comfortable out there, trying to get at defenders.

“I’m loving football at the moment. I know there are a lot of games to go, I know there a lot of games this month even but I’m really enjoying it on the right-hand side. The lads have started off great and we’re just willing to work and get better every game. I think there is a lot of talent here and we’re just trying to show that.”

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8:29am Thu 14 Aug 14

Swindon1984 says...

Kept saying it and it's so obvious, having him on the left he was never going to play to his full potential in terms of getting out wide and crossing - although he did step inside from the left and score a few last season (think it was against Port Vale when we scored five, his was an absolute cracking curling shot coming in from the left wing).

Was my man of the match Saturday.
Kept saying it and it's so obvious, having him on the left he was never going to play to his full potential in terms of getting out wide and crossing - although he did step inside from the left and score a few last season (think it was against Port Vale when we scored five, his was an absolute cracking curling shot coming in from the left wing). Was my man of the match Saturday. Swindon1984
  • Score: 2

8:44am Thu 14 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Nathan has done well so far on the right this season - but it's early days, at Luton in the 1st half Smith would have had to have been 17' 6" to reach some of his crosses. In the 2nd half he was back to his best turning the defenders this way and that and deservedly winning the penalty when he was chopped down after beating his man.
If he can work on his crossing he'll be a real asset in that position.
Nathan has done well so far on the right this season - but it's early days, at Luton in the 1st half Smith would have had to have been 17' 6" to reach some of his crosses. In the 2nd half he was back to his best turning the defenders this way and that and deservedly winning the penalty when he was chopped down after beating his man. If he can work on his crossing he'll be a real asset in that position. The Jockster
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9:00am Thu 14 Aug 14

London Red says...

Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat!
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I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is
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If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now!
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Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come
Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat! . I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is . If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now! . Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come London Red
  • Score: 4

9:42am Thu 14 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

Been refreshing to see pacy right footed wingers playing on the right (and vice versa), and getting crosses in from the bye-line.

Fair point that not all the crosses are pin-point accurate but we scored from both sides on Saturday and the crossing is sure to improve. Don't forget its a new position for Byrne and a new team for Brad.

I haven't always rated Byrne, quite the opposite in fact but like I've said he has been outstanding in the 2 games now Cooper has found his best position and changed the system.

Shame it didn't work out with Ranger he would be loving life in this formation.

Watching the team going forwards this season is like a breath of fresh air, Shrewsbury away and Sheff Utd away seem very distant memories. The passing abilities always been there but now there's a fitness and an energy about the side.

I wonder if Power thinks it might be worth just getting a couple of extras in, this team could go places but the squad is stretched already with a couple of knocks - there's not a lot behind the starting 11.
Been refreshing to see pacy right footed wingers playing on the right (and vice versa), and getting crosses in from the bye-line. Fair point that not all the crosses are pin-point accurate but we scored from both sides on Saturday and the crossing is sure to improve. Don't forget its a new position for Byrne and a new team for Brad. I haven't always rated Byrne, quite the opposite in fact but like I've said he has been outstanding in the 2 games now Cooper has found his best position and changed the system. Shame it didn't work out with Ranger he would be loving life in this formation. Watching the team going forwards this season is like a breath of fresh air, Shrewsbury away and Sheff Utd away seem very distant memories. The passing abilities always been there but now there's a fitness and an energy about the side. I wonder if Power thinks it might be worth just getting a couple of extras in, this team could go places but the squad is stretched already with a couple of knocks - there's not a lot behind the starting 11. Wilesy
  • Score: 2

11:09am Thu 14 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Why do you have to be so cantankerous LR? No need for glib statements like "if he could cross a ball he wouldn't be with us now". That's the same as saying "if Wilma could score he wouldn't be here"! I've basically said the same as you in that if he works on his crosses he'll be a better player still. If you were at Luton on Tuesday some of his attempts to cross the ball were awful, but he was much better second half as I said.
Why do you have to be so cantankerous LR? No need for glib statements like "if he could cross a ball he wouldn't be with us now". That's the same as saying "if Wilma could score he wouldn't be here"! I've basically said the same as you in that if he works on his crosses he'll be a better player still. If you were at Luton on Tuesday some of his attempts to cross the ball were awful, but he was much better second half as I said. The Jockster
  • Score: -1

12:17pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat!
.
I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is
.
If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now!
.
Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come
Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help".

More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat! . I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is . If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now! . Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come[/p][/quote]Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help". More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives. Oi Den!
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12:40pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat!
.
I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is
.
If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now!
.
Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come
Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help".

More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.
Clearly the all round game is important but for attacking players both assists and goals are key. If Byrne dribbled round players for 90 minutes and didn't produce a goal or assist and we drew 0-0 has he done well I don't think so. Or plays averagely but in a moment of brilliance gets a goal or assist and we win 1-0, much better imo.

Same for Smithy score the winning goal and he's a hero forget the fact his touch lets him down at times.

If Stephens arrives presumably Nathan will be on the right of the three centre backs Stephens in the middle and Turnbull on the left.

Would have to see the goals again to comment on whether it was solely Nathan at fault for the goals, I suspect others didn't help in the build up. I think he's done OK so far although yes it's not his position. I still rate Troy ahead of any centre back we currently have at the club - he was a big loss.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat! . I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is . If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now! . Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come[/p][/quote]Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help". More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.[/p][/quote]Clearly the all round game is important but for attacking players both assists and goals are key. If Byrne dribbled round players for 90 minutes and didn't produce a goal or assist and we drew 0-0 has he done well I don't think so. Or plays averagely but in a moment of brilliance gets a goal or assist and we win 1-0, much better imo. Same for Smithy score the winning goal and he's a hero forget the fact his touch lets him down at times. If Stephens arrives presumably Nathan will be on the right of the three centre backs Stephens in the middle and Turnbull on the left. Would have to see the goals again to comment on whether it was solely Nathan at fault for the goals, I suspect others didn't help in the build up. I think he's done OK so far although yes it's not his position. I still rate Troy ahead of any centre back we currently have at the club - he was a big loss. Wilesy
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1:08pm Thu 14 Aug 14

London Red says...

Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat!
.
I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is
.
If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now!
.
Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come
Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help".

More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.
Clearly the all round game is important but for attacking players both assists and goals are key. If Byrne dribbled round players for 90 minutes and didn't produce a goal or assist and we drew 0-0 has he done well I don't think so. Or plays averagely but in a moment of brilliance gets a goal or assist and we win 1-0, much better imo.

Same for Smithy score the winning goal and he's a hero forget the fact his touch lets him down at times.

If Stephens arrives presumably Nathan will be on the right of the three centre backs Stephens in the middle and Turnbull on the left.

Would have to see the goals again to comment on whether it was solely Nathan at fault for the goals, I suspect others didn't help in the build up. I think he's done OK so far although yes it's not his position. I still rate Troy ahead of any centre back we currently have at the club - he was a big loss.
The system is set up for Stephens arrival already - Thompson will be sweeper all season with Stephens on one side and Turnbull on the other
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Branco and possibly Lelan will then provide cover
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The Luton goal is a tad harsh to blame Nathan - especially saying he got caught - yes he leaned in a bit to control it - but that was never a pen and had that not been given Luton would not have scored as they created no openings other than that Pen
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We also saw how it can work at Luton where Nathan took it out laid it to Mass who slipped his man brilliantly and played a great ball for Smudge to beat his man and tuck it away
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I do take what Den says that if Byrne puts in 10 great balls and the strikers fluff everyone then he has no offcicial assist and therefore, no stat but did his job out wide
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But a winger has to be judged somehow - strikers on goals and Defenders and keepers on clean sheets
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To be fait to NB he didn't day he wanted to be top of the charts etc - just wanted to make sure he is providing for others - so if he puts in the decent ball and the striker fluffs it - he knows he had done his job foe example he is counting his pen win as one - but the records book won't!
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat! . I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is . If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now! . Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come[/p][/quote]Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help". More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.[/p][/quote]Clearly the all round game is important but for attacking players both assists and goals are key. If Byrne dribbled round players for 90 minutes and didn't produce a goal or assist and we drew 0-0 has he done well I don't think so. Or plays averagely but in a moment of brilliance gets a goal or assist and we win 1-0, much better imo. Same for Smithy score the winning goal and he's a hero forget the fact his touch lets him down at times. If Stephens arrives presumably Nathan will be on the right of the three centre backs Stephens in the middle and Turnbull on the left. Would have to see the goals again to comment on whether it was solely Nathan at fault for the goals, I suspect others didn't help in the build up. I think he's done OK so far although yes it's not his position. I still rate Troy ahead of any centre back we currently have at the club - he was a big loss.[/p][/quote]The system is set up for Stephens arrival already - Thompson will be sweeper all season with Stephens on one side and Turnbull on the other . Branco and possibly Lelan will then provide cover . The Luton goal is a tad harsh to blame Nathan - especially saying he got caught - yes he leaned in a bit to control it - but that was never a pen and had that not been given Luton would not have scored as they created no openings other than that Pen . We also saw how it can work at Luton where Nathan took it out laid it to Mass who slipped his man brilliantly and played a great ball for Smudge to beat his man and tuck it away . I do take what Den says that if Byrne puts in 10 great balls and the strikers fluff everyone then he has no offcicial assist and therefore, no stat but did his job out wide . But a winger has to be judged somehow - strikers on goals and Defenders and keepers on clean sheets . To be fait to NB he didn't day he wanted to be top of the charts etc - just wanted to make sure he is providing for others - so if he puts in the decent ball and the striker fluffs it - he knows he had done his job foe example he is counting his pen win as one - but the records book won't! London Red
  • Score: 1

1:22pm Thu 14 Aug 14

RamsburyRed says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat!
.
I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is
.
If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now!
.
Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come
Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help".

More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.
I totally agree about stats Den, unfortunately the modern game is obsessed with them. Even the goalscorers' stats don't tell the full story as we don't see how many they missed. It was mildly pleasing in the World Cup to see a string of games where the teams with 65 per cent possession lost - finally putting to bed this 'possession is all' theory.
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Can't quite agree on 'assist' though. Whether we like it or not the language moves on, proved by the even more toe-curling desire among athletes these days 'to medal'. Ugh!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat! . I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is . If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now! . Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come[/p][/quote]Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help". More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.[/p][/quote]I totally agree about stats Den, unfortunately the modern game is obsessed with them. Even the goalscorers' stats don't tell the full story as we don't see how many they missed. It was mildly pleasing in the World Cup to see a string of games where the teams with 65 per cent possession lost - finally putting to bed this 'possession is all' theory. * Can't quite agree on 'assist' though. Whether we like it or not the language moves on, proved by the even more toe-curling desire among athletes these days 'to medal'. Ugh! RamsburyRed
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2:37pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

Ah, but your "Ugh!" seems to suggest you do agree RR! You've made exactly the same point about "medal". Of course I appreciate language doesn't stand still but I'd rather we didn't copy the Americans when they mangle ours. "An assist" is definitely one of their creations. Although we're probably stuck with it, I'd rather it had stayed on their side of the pond.
Ah, but your "Ugh!" seems to suggest you do agree RR! You've made exactly the same point about "medal". Of course I appreciate language doesn't stand still but I'd rather we didn't copy the Americans when they mangle ours. "An assist" is definitely one of their creations. Although we're probably stuck with it, I'd rather it had stayed on their side of the pond. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

2:47pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy, I disagree about judging any player by stats. They can never give a true picture of overall performance. By the way, I wasn't having a go at Byrne at all - just doubting the value of the stat and disliking the language!
Wilesy, I disagree about judging any player by stats. They can never give a true picture of overall performance. By the way, I wasn't having a go at Byrne at all - just doubting the value of the stat and disliking the language! Oi Den!
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3:22pm Thu 14 Aug 14

London Red says...

Stats are never the only place to judge - but they are a good tool to start with or back up a view point
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You can't know every player - so you naturally look at the key stats and would then go from there
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So if a striker has scored lots of goals you go and scout him and if you think he has something take him on trial or sign him - Austin for example
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With a winger you need to start somewhere and assists are the best place as it would imply his crossing, passing or set pieces are accurate as he is setting up lots of goals
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Obviously then when scouting him you would see what else he has about him - pace, skills, work rate etc
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I have no issue with the language either - to assist is to aid someone - so setting up the goal with a cross or killer pass is aiding someone
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I wouldn't like us to go all US and start looking at 2nd assist or 3rd assist - just the final pass or cross is fine and not sure why some dislike it so much
Stats are never the only place to judge - but they are a good tool to start with or back up a view point . You can't know every player - so you naturally look at the key stats and would then go from there . So if a striker has scored lots of goals you go and scout him and if you think he has something take him on trial or sign him - Austin for example . With a winger you need to start somewhere and assists are the best place as it would imply his crossing, passing or set pieces are accurate as he is setting up lots of goals . Obviously then when scouting him you would see what else he has about him - pace, skills, work rate etc . I have no issue with the language either - to assist is to aid someone - so setting up the goal with a cross or killer pass is aiding someone . I wouldn't like us to go all US and start looking at 2nd assist or 3rd assist - just the final pass or cross is fine and not sure why some dislike it so much London Red
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3:33pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat!
.
I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is
.
If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now!
.
Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come
Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help".

More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.
Clearly the all round game is important but for attacking players both assists and goals are key. If Byrne dribbled round players for 90 minutes and didn't produce a goal or assist and we drew 0-0 has he done well I don't think so. Or plays averagely but in a moment of brilliance gets a goal or assist and we win 1-0, much better imo.

Same for Smithy score the winning goal and he's a hero forget the fact his touch lets him down at times.

If Stephens arrives presumably Nathan will be on the right of the three centre backs Stephens in the middle and Turnbull on the left.

Would have to see the goals again to comment on whether it was solely Nathan at fault for the goals, I suspect others didn't help in the build up. I think he's done OK so far although yes it's not his position. I still rate Troy ahead of any centre back we currently have at the club - he was a big loss.
The system is set up for Stephens arrival already - Thompson will be sweeper all season with Stephens on one side and Turnbull on the other
.
Branco and possibly Lelan will then provide cover
.
The Luton goal is a tad harsh to blame Nathan - especially saying he got caught - yes he leaned in a bit to control it - but that was never a pen and had that not been given Luton would not have scored as they created no openings other than that Pen
.
We also saw how it can work at Luton where Nathan took it out laid it to Mass who slipped his man brilliantly and played a great ball for Smudge to beat his man and tuck it away
.
I do take what Den says that if Byrne puts in 10 great balls and the strikers fluff everyone then he has no offcicial assist and therefore, no stat but did his job out wide
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But a winger has to be judged somehow - strikers on goals and Defenders and keepers on clean sheets
.
To be fait to NB he didn't day he wanted to be top of the charts etc - just wanted to make sure he is providing for others - so if he puts in the decent ball and the striker fluffs it - he knows he had done his job foe example he is counting his pen win as one - but the records book won't!
Either way would work I just think it would be a more natural fit with Stephens in the middle and Nathan on the right, we'll see.

Away fans were right at the other end no-one could clearly see Nathan's "handball" lunge but there were lots of protests. Having given it maybe he was lucky not to get a yellow....

Den completely agree stats aren't the be all and end all, but you have to measure somehow. Just as an example remember 1 in 13 Calvin Andrew? He was a decent team player probably more refined than 1 in 2 Smith in open play, but if you wanted to buy a goal scorer you would consider the scoring rates surely?

Same for Alan O'Brien you might watch him and think blimey he looks useful with his pace but he couldn't cross a bridge or finish his dinner as his stats would have shown and I would prefer someone proven at setting up goals, or in the case of Ritchie and Danny Ward, scoring goals. Hopefully Byrne can follow in their footsteps if he continues his dramatic improvement.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat! . I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is . If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now! . Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come[/p][/quote]Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help". More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.[/p][/quote]Clearly the all round game is important but for attacking players both assists and goals are key. If Byrne dribbled round players for 90 minutes and didn't produce a goal or assist and we drew 0-0 has he done well I don't think so. Or plays averagely but in a moment of brilliance gets a goal or assist and we win 1-0, much better imo. Same for Smithy score the winning goal and he's a hero forget the fact his touch lets him down at times. If Stephens arrives presumably Nathan will be on the right of the three centre backs Stephens in the middle and Turnbull on the left. Would have to see the goals again to comment on whether it was solely Nathan at fault for the goals, I suspect others didn't help in the build up. I think he's done OK so far although yes it's not his position. I still rate Troy ahead of any centre back we currently have at the club - he was a big loss.[/p][/quote]The system is set up for Stephens arrival already - Thompson will be sweeper all season with Stephens on one side and Turnbull on the other . Branco and possibly Lelan will then provide cover . The Luton goal is a tad harsh to blame Nathan - especially saying he got caught - yes he leaned in a bit to control it - but that was never a pen and had that not been given Luton would not have scored as they created no openings other than that Pen . We also saw how it can work at Luton where Nathan took it out laid it to Mass who slipped his man brilliantly and played a great ball for Smudge to beat his man and tuck it away . I do take what Den says that if Byrne puts in 10 great balls and the strikers fluff everyone then he has no offcicial assist and therefore, no stat but did his job out wide . But a winger has to be judged somehow - strikers on goals and Defenders and keepers on clean sheets . To be fait to NB he didn't day he wanted to be top of the charts etc - just wanted to make sure he is providing for others - so if he puts in the decent ball and the striker fluffs it - he knows he had done his job foe example he is counting his pen win as one - but the records book won't![/p][/quote]Either way would work I just think it would be a more natural fit with Stephens in the middle and Nathan on the right, we'll see. Away fans were right at the other end no-one could clearly see Nathan's "handball" lunge but there were lots of protests. Having given it maybe he was lucky not to get a yellow.... Den completely agree stats aren't the be all and end all, but you have to measure somehow. Just as an example remember 1 in 13 Calvin Andrew? He was a decent team player probably more refined than 1 in 2 Smith in open play, but if you wanted to buy a goal scorer you would consider the scoring rates surely? Same for Alan O'Brien you might watch him and think blimey he looks useful with his pace but he couldn't cross a bridge or finish his dinner as his stats would have shown and I would prefer someone proven at setting up goals, or in the case of Ritchie and Danny Ward, scoring goals. Hopefully Byrne can follow in their footsteps if he continues his dramatic improvement. Wilesy
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3:40pm Thu 14 Aug 14

London Red says...

Wilesy wrote:
London Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat!
.
I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is
.
If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now!
.
Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come
Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help".

More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.
Clearly the all round game is important but for attacking players both assists and goals are key. If Byrne dribbled round players for 90 minutes and didn't produce a goal or assist and we drew 0-0 has he done well I don't think so. Or plays averagely but in a moment of brilliance gets a goal or assist and we win 1-0, much better imo.

Same for Smithy score the winning goal and he's a hero forget the fact his touch lets him down at times.

If Stephens arrives presumably Nathan will be on the right of the three centre backs Stephens in the middle and Turnbull on the left.

Would have to see the goals again to comment on whether it was solely Nathan at fault for the goals, I suspect others didn't help in the build up. I think he's done OK so far although yes it's not his position. I still rate Troy ahead of any centre back we currently have at the club - he was a big loss.
The system is set up for Stephens arrival already - Thompson will be sweeper all season with Stephens on one side and Turnbull on the other
.
Branco and possibly Lelan will then provide cover
.
The Luton goal is a tad harsh to blame Nathan - especially saying he got caught - yes he leaned in a bit to control it - but that was never a pen and had that not been given Luton would not have scored as they created no openings other than that Pen
.
We also saw how it can work at Luton where Nathan took it out laid it to Mass who slipped his man brilliantly and played a great ball for Smudge to beat his man and tuck it away
.
I do take what Den says that if Byrne puts in 10 great balls and the strikers fluff everyone then he has no offcicial assist and therefore, no stat but did his job out wide
.
But a winger has to be judged somehow - strikers on goals and Defenders and keepers on clean sheets
.
To be fait to NB he didn't day he wanted to be top of the charts etc - just wanted to make sure he is providing for others - so if he puts in the decent ball and the striker fluffs it - he knows he had done his job foe example he is counting his pen win as one - but the records book won't!
Either way would work I just think it would be a more natural fit with Stephens in the middle and Nathan on the right, we'll see.

Away fans were right at the other end no-one could clearly see Nathan's "handball" lunge but there were lots of protests. Having given it maybe he was lucky not to get a yellow....

Den completely agree stats aren't the be all and end all, but you have to measure somehow. Just as an example remember 1 in 13 Calvin Andrew? He was a decent team player probably more refined than 1 in 2 Smith in open play, but if you wanted to buy a goal scorer you would consider the scoring rates surely?

Same for Alan O'Brien you might watch him and think blimey he looks useful with his pace but he couldn't cross a bridge or finish his dinner as his stats would have shown and I would prefer someone proven at setting up goals, or in the case of Ritchie and Danny Ward, scoring goals. Hopefully Byrne can follow in their footsteps if he continues his dramatic improvement.
Yeah you couldn't see clearly in the away end as it was up the other end - but his arms were down by his side and the reaction of the players says it all!
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Look at Luton's reaction - they knew it was a pen they had given away - our players were furious
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I've seen it on TV since and it is very very harsh indeed
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Middle is normally where the sweeper sits as the others will be man marking the forwards - it also allows him to then mop up on either side as he is quit pacey
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Plus being in the middle allows him to drop deep and pick up the ball like he is and start it rolling as out to one side would limit options moving forward
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat! . I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is . If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now! . Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come[/p][/quote]Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help". More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.[/p][/quote]Clearly the all round game is important but for attacking players both assists and goals are key. If Byrne dribbled round players for 90 minutes and didn't produce a goal or assist and we drew 0-0 has he done well I don't think so. Or plays averagely but in a moment of brilliance gets a goal or assist and we win 1-0, much better imo. Same for Smithy score the winning goal and he's a hero forget the fact his touch lets him down at times. If Stephens arrives presumably Nathan will be on the right of the three centre backs Stephens in the middle and Turnbull on the left. Would have to see the goals again to comment on whether it was solely Nathan at fault for the goals, I suspect others didn't help in the build up. I think he's done OK so far although yes it's not his position. I still rate Troy ahead of any centre back we currently have at the club - he was a big loss.[/p][/quote]The system is set up for Stephens arrival already - Thompson will be sweeper all season with Stephens on one side and Turnbull on the other . Branco and possibly Lelan will then provide cover . The Luton goal is a tad harsh to blame Nathan - especially saying he got caught - yes he leaned in a bit to control it - but that was never a pen and had that not been given Luton would not have scored as they created no openings other than that Pen . We also saw how it can work at Luton where Nathan took it out laid it to Mass who slipped his man brilliantly and played a great ball for Smudge to beat his man and tuck it away . I do take what Den says that if Byrne puts in 10 great balls and the strikers fluff everyone then he has no offcicial assist and therefore, no stat but did his job out wide . But a winger has to be judged somehow - strikers on goals and Defenders and keepers on clean sheets . To be fait to NB he didn't day he wanted to be top of the charts etc - just wanted to make sure he is providing for others - so if he puts in the decent ball and the striker fluffs it - he knows he had done his job foe example he is counting his pen win as one - but the records book won't![/p][/quote]Either way would work I just think it would be a more natural fit with Stephens in the middle and Nathan on the right, we'll see. Away fans were right at the other end no-one could clearly see Nathan's "handball" lunge but there were lots of protests. Having given it maybe he was lucky not to get a yellow.... Den completely agree stats aren't the be all and end all, but you have to measure somehow. Just as an example remember 1 in 13 Calvin Andrew? He was a decent team player probably more refined than 1 in 2 Smith in open play, but if you wanted to buy a goal scorer you would consider the scoring rates surely? Same for Alan O'Brien you might watch him and think blimey he looks useful with his pace but he couldn't cross a bridge or finish his dinner as his stats would have shown and I would prefer someone proven at setting up goals, or in the case of Ritchie and Danny Ward, scoring goals. Hopefully Byrne can follow in their footsteps if he continues his dramatic improvement.[/p][/quote]Yeah you couldn't see clearly in the away end as it was up the other end - but his arms were down by his side and the reaction of the players says it all! . Look at Luton's reaction - they knew it was a pen they had given away - our players were furious . I've seen it on TV since and it is very very harsh indeed . Middle is normally where the sweeper sits as the others will be man marking the forwards - it also allows him to then mop up on either side as he is quit pacey . Plus being in the middle allows him to drop deep and pick up the ball like he is and start it rolling as out to one side would limit options moving forward London Red
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4:07pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Bassett Hound says...

Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat!
.
I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is
.
If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now!
.
Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come
Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help".

More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.
Clearly the all round game is important but for attacking players both assists and goals are key. If Byrne dribbled round players for 90 minutes and didn't produce a goal or assist and we drew 0-0 has he done well I don't think so. Or plays averagely but in a moment of brilliance gets a goal or assist and we win 1-0, much better imo.

Same for Smithy score the winning goal and he's a hero forget the fact his touch lets him down at times.

If Stephens arrives presumably Nathan will be on the right of the three centre backs Stephens in the middle and Turnbull on the left.

Would have to see the goals again to comment on whether it was solely Nathan at fault for the goals, I suspect others didn't help in the build up. I think he's done OK so far although yes it's not his position. I still rate Troy ahead of any centre back we currently have at the club - he was a big loss.
It was not his fault at Luton,he was in a good position intercepted the ball and had a poor decision by the linesman given against him
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat! . I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is . If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now! . Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come[/p][/quote]Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help". More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.[/p][/quote]Clearly the all round game is important but for attacking players both assists and goals are key. If Byrne dribbled round players for 90 minutes and didn't produce a goal or assist and we drew 0-0 has he done well I don't think so. Or plays averagely but in a moment of brilliance gets a goal or assist and we win 1-0, much better imo. Same for Smithy score the winning goal and he's a hero forget the fact his touch lets him down at times. If Stephens arrives presumably Nathan will be on the right of the three centre backs Stephens in the middle and Turnbull on the left. Would have to see the goals again to comment on whether it was solely Nathan at fault for the goals, I suspect others didn't help in the build up. I think he's done OK so far although yes it's not his position. I still rate Troy ahead of any centre back we currently have at the club - he was a big loss.[/p][/quote]It was not his fault at Luton,he was in a good position intercepted the ball and had a poor decision by the linesman given against him Bassett Hound
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4:50pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat!
.
I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is
.
If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now!
.
Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come
Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help".

More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.
Clearly the all round game is important but for attacking players both assists and goals are key. If Byrne dribbled round players for 90 minutes and didn't produce a goal or assist and we drew 0-0 has he done well I don't think so. Or plays averagely but in a moment of brilliance gets a goal or assist and we win 1-0, much better imo.

Same for Smithy score the winning goal and he's a hero forget the fact his touch lets him down at times.

If Stephens arrives presumably Nathan will be on the right of the three centre backs Stephens in the middle and Turnbull on the left.

Would have to see the goals again to comment on whether it was solely Nathan at fault for the goals, I suspect others didn't help in the build up. I think he's done OK so far although yes it's not his position. I still rate Troy ahead of any centre back we currently have at the club - he was a big loss.
It was not his fault at Luton,he was in a good position intercepted the ball and had a poor decision by the linesman given against him
That was the concensus BH, although maybe his arm movment towards the ball gave the linesman the opportunity to make the call under pressure from the home crowd. Ref wouldn't have had a great view.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Nathan - don't let Den read you want assists - he hates that stat! . I've always rated Byrne and am glad he is showing what a good player he is . If he was perfect with his crossing - he wouldn't be with us now! . Surely playing ball through and getting the wingbacks to practice gettinthere and whipping a ball in is part of training? The more they do it the better they should come[/p][/quote]Well remembered LR! The main reason I don't like it is that it means very little on its own. Byrne could create a dozen good chances but if the strikers don't put them away he gets no recognition in the stats, whereas he gets credited with an "assist" if we get one goal from one good ball he puts in. Much better just to look at a player's overall performance and take a view on it. We know whether a player has done well or not in a game, without resorting to meaningless stats. The other thing that grates with me is that there's no such thing in the English language as "an assist", any more than there's "a help". More importantly, it's no surprise that Byrne is doing well now. He's a tricky footballer, whose natural place is on the right wing. The slightly worrying thing is that Nathan Thompson's natural position is right back. He's played two games out of position and got caught twice, leading to goals. It will be interesting to see how we line up if and when Stephens arrives.[/p][/quote]Clearly the all round game is important but for attacking players both assists and goals are key. If Byrne dribbled round players for 90 minutes and didn't produce a goal or assist and we drew 0-0 has he done well I don't think so. Or plays averagely but in a moment of brilliance gets a goal or assist and we win 1-0, much better imo. Same for Smithy score the winning goal and he's a hero forget the fact his touch lets him down at times. If Stephens arrives presumably Nathan will be on the right of the three centre backs Stephens in the middle and Turnbull on the left. Would have to see the goals again to comment on whether it was solely Nathan at fault for the goals, I suspect others didn't help in the build up. I think he's done OK so far although yes it's not his position. I still rate Troy ahead of any centre back we currently have at the club - he was a big loss.[/p][/quote]It was not his fault at Luton,he was in a good position intercepted the ball and had a poor decision by the linesman given against him[/p][/quote]That was the concensus BH, although maybe his arm movment towards the ball gave the linesman the opportunity to make the call under pressure from the home crowd. Ref wouldn't have had a great view. Wilesy
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5:25pm Thu 14 Aug 14

RamsburyRed says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Ah, but your "Ugh!" seems to suggest you do agree RR! You've made exactly the same point about "medal". Of course I appreciate language doesn't stand still but I'd rather we didn't copy the Americans when they mangle ours. "An assist" is definitely one of their creations. Although we're probably stuck with it, I'd rather it had stayed on their side of the pond.
You're right, I'm not too keen on it, but I think turning a noun into a verb is more offensive than vice versa. I'm sure I've even heard an athlete aspiring to 'podium'.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Ah, but your "Ugh!" seems to suggest you do agree RR! You've made exactly the same point about "medal". Of course I appreciate language doesn't stand still but I'd rather we didn't copy the Americans when they mangle ours. "An assist" is definitely one of their creations. Although we're probably stuck with it, I'd rather it had stayed on their side of the pond.[/p][/quote]You're right, I'm not too keen on it, but I think turning a noun into a verb is more offensive than vice versa. I'm sure I've even heard an athlete aspiring to 'podium'. RamsburyRed
  • Score: 3

7:34pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

RamsburyRed wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Ah, but your "Ugh!" seems to suggest you do agree RR! You've made exactly the same point about "medal". Of course I appreciate language doesn't stand still but I'd rather we didn't copy the Americans when they mangle ours. "An assist" is definitely one of their creations. Although we're probably stuck with it, I'd rather it had stayed on their side of the pond.
You're right, I'm not too keen on it, but I think turning a noun into a verb is more offensive than vice versa. I'm sure I've even heard an athlete aspiring to 'podium'.
Haha! That's a classic.

Not sure why turning a noun into a verb is worse than the other way round but we probably need our own Pedantry Corner to thrash that one out, so I suggest we call a halt here before we drive everyone else away!

On the point about stats, I'm sure every manager under the sun picks his team based on what he sees in his players, without giving any thought to a table of statistics someone has compiled for him. Football's not an exact science and there's no point in trying to make it one.

On the pen conceded at Luton, I don't think the TV evidence is anywhere near conclusive, as NT's body was blocking the view. The one thing that's clear from the pictures though is that the linesman was looking straight at it, with nothing blocking his view, from a few yards away. If we all take off our Town hats for a mo and just imagine we were watching as neutrals, whose judgment would we back - the one of an independent official looking straight at the incident at close range or the one of biased fans watching from some distance?
[quote][p][bold]RamsburyRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Ah, but your "Ugh!" seems to suggest you do agree RR! You've made exactly the same point about "medal". Of course I appreciate language doesn't stand still but I'd rather we didn't copy the Americans when they mangle ours. "An assist" is definitely one of their creations. Although we're probably stuck with it, I'd rather it had stayed on their side of the pond.[/p][/quote]You're right, I'm not too keen on it, but I think turning a noun into a verb is more offensive than vice versa. I'm sure I've even heard an athlete aspiring to 'podium'.[/p][/quote]Haha! That's a classic. Not sure why turning a noun into a verb is worse than the other way round but we probably need our own Pedantry Corner to thrash that one out, so I suggest we call a halt here before we drive everyone else away! On the point about stats, I'm sure every manager under the sun picks his team based on what he sees in his players, without giving any thought to a table of statistics someone has compiled for him. Football's not an exact science and there's no point in trying to make it one. On the pen conceded at Luton, I don't think the TV evidence is anywhere near conclusive, as NT's body was blocking the view. The one thing that's clear from the pictures though is that the linesman was looking straight at it, with nothing blocking his view, from a few yards away. If we all take off our Town hats for a mo and just imagine we were watching as neutrals, whose judgment would we back - the one of an independent official looking straight at the incident at close range or the one of biased fans watching from some distance? Oi Den!
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7:59pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

PS Wilesy, yes, if you were buying a striker of course you'd want one who has a good record of hitting the net but surely you buy on the basis of what you see, not on a table of stats? Steven Pressley says he admires Michael Smith. I'd bet that admiration comes from seeing what the player can do, not from poring over stats on a piece of paper.
PS Wilesy, yes, if you were buying a striker of course you'd want one who has a good record of hitting the net but surely you buy on the basis of what you see, not on a table of stats? Steven Pressley says he admires Michael Smith. I'd bet that admiration comes from seeing what the player can do, not from poring over stats on a piece of paper. Oi Den!
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8:23pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
PS Wilesy, yes, if you were buying a striker of course you'd want one who has a good record of hitting the net but surely you buy on the basis of what you see, not on a table of stats? Steven Pressley says he admires Michael Smith. I'd bet that admiration comes from seeing what the player can do, not from poring over stats on a piece of paper.
Undoubtedly he's seen the player Den and that might have sealed the decision to put in a bid, but almost certainly he's used stats (eg scoring record, age, size, experience) as a starting point and also to determine the amount to offer. Also saves watching 100 unsuitable players first. Maybe he's used an online stat analysis tool to source him as a "virtual scout"

Check this out...I hope you're sitting down....

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/28
738388

Rumour has it they will call the database 'the London Red' :-)
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: PS Wilesy, yes, if you were buying a striker of course you'd want one who has a good record of hitting the net but surely you buy on the basis of what you see, not on a table of stats? Steven Pressley says he admires Michael Smith. I'd bet that admiration comes from seeing what the player can do, not from poring over stats on a piece of paper.[/p][/quote]Undoubtedly he's seen the player Den and that might have sealed the decision to put in a bid, but almost certainly he's used stats (eg scoring record, age, size, experience) as a starting point and also to determine the amount to offer. Also saves watching 100 unsuitable players first. Maybe he's used an online stat analysis tool to source him as a "virtual scout" Check this out...I hope you're sitting down.... http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/28 738388 Rumour has it they will call the database 'the London Red' :-) Wilesy
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